WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:33.039 So welcome to our final episode in our series about 2 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:37.439 ten non mysterious cases involving unidentified people. If you've listened 3 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:39.159 to our first two episodes, you might know that the 4 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:42.359 format here is quite different than usual. We're going back 5 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:45.039 to an article I wrote for listfirst dot com way 6 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:48.600 back in June of twenty thirteen, which was titled ten 7 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:53.520 mysterious Cases involving Unidentified People. Because all ten victims on 8 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:55.960 this list over the past twelve years have wound up 9 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.159 being identified. So we've been following the format where I 10 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:02.240 will read my original entry, then you too will share 11 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:05.200 your thoughts, and then I will reveal the details about 12 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:09.319 how these victims were identified. So we've done entries ten 13 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:11.959 through four on our last two episodes. So for our 14 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.560 final episode, we're going to do the last three entries 15 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:16.480 on the list, and I'm going to start off by 16 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.959 what is undoubtedly the saddest one and most tragic, and 17 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:24.079 this involves a istdent known as Baby Hope. So one 18 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:27.359 of the largest homicide investigations in New York City history 19 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:29.959 was launched on July the twenty third, nineteen ninety one, 20 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:32.560 when a cooler was found in a park bordering the 21 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:36.000 Henry Hudson Parkway. It contained the decomposed body of a 22 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.799 young girl estimated to be between the ages of three 23 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.040 and five. She was wrapped in a black garbage bag 24 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.239 and buried under cans of Coca cola. The girl had 25 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.719 been asphyxiated and likely been dead for days, and evidence 26 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:52.079 was later discovered that the girl was sexually abused. With 27 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.319 no clue to her identity, she was nicknamed Baby Hope. 28 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.120 Authority sent out a publicly for information and later received 29 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.640 a call from a woman using the name Judy Brown. 30 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:04.799 She claimed that while she was driving on the parkway 31 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.760 nine days before Baby Hope was found, she saw a 32 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:11.120 well dressed Hispanic couple carrying a cooler, but this woman 33 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:14.879 never came forward to provide further information, while Baby Help 34 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:18.520 remains identified. Over twenty years later. Detectives initially thought they 35 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:21.560 saved the case when they found sexually abusive images on 36 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:24.879 polaroids with a goal resembling Baby Hope in the same 37 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.960 area three months later. They later discovered the person in 38 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.199 the photos was actually a twelve year old girl living 39 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.439 in New Jersey, and in an eerie coincidence, her name 40 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:34.520 was also Hope. 41 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:39.199 This whole case is heartbreaking. It involves not one, but 42 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:44.319 actually two little girls who are physically and sexually abused. 43 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.400 You know, they're emotionally abused as well. The fact that 44 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:52.319 this cooler is found and there's a child's body discarded 45 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:55.919 like trash, knowing that she had also been sexually abused. 46 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.719 I can't imagine the horror that her first three to 47 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.520 five years entailed. And then you continued to go down 48 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:06.560 and twenty years later detectives think, hey, we might actually 49 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:09.719 have a lead. There's these explicit photos we found of 50 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.039 a child who resembles this baby, and turns out it's 51 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:18.919 another child who's being exploited and abused. It's just absolutely heartbreaking. 52 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:22.159 And to think that for so long this child didn't 53 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:24.439 have a name, and there was no one who said 54 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:27.680 she's of value to claim and to know her name. 55 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:29.719 It's absolutely heartbreaking. 56 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:34.240 Just looking at her photo, she looks like a little angel. 57 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:38.000 She looks so sweet and so innocent. But to think 58 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:43.280 of the cold, calculated and casually callous nature of whoever 59 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.039 decided to put her body into a cooler and then 60 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:49.759 to cover it with cans of coke like they had 61 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.599 to have known that this isn't going to be something 62 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:55.719 that's going to be able to camouflage the body long term. 63 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.479 Just the decision to put this everyday item that people 64 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.560 consume it's full of sugar on top of the body 65 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:06.120 of this deceased child who we later find out has 66 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:11.080 been sexually abused. It's so horrific, And there's something about 67 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:14.319 this case that just really as soon as we started 68 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.720 to read through the description, it just really gets under 69 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:17.160 your skin. 70 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:21.319 Yeah, I'm always heartbroken by all the cases involving unidentified 71 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.399 decedents when they're children, especially when they're a really young age, 72 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:26.439 because you think to yourself, well, if no one ever 73 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:28.920 reported this child missing and they can't match it up 74 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.759 to someone, then there's a good chance that this poor 75 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.879 baby has been murdered by their parent or their caregiver 76 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:37.279 who just disposed of them and hope that they will 77 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:40.160 never get caught. We're actually seeing more and more cases 78 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:43.199 like this in recent years get solved, where they use 79 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:47.279 genetic genealogy to finally trace the deceased child back to 80 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:49.879 their parent and they wound up getting arrested and you 81 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:51.759 find out that they had a child that they just 82 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:53.920 got rid of early on in life and just moved 83 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:57.079 on with their lives if nothing has happened. I'm going 84 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.360 to talk about how Baby Hope was solved, and this 85 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:02.839 one actually pre date genic genealogy. It actually gets solved 86 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:07.079 in twenty thirteen, only a couple months after I published 87 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.480 this article, so I think it was the very first 88 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.360 case on the list to finally have a resolution. And 89 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:16.000 of course, why don't you hear what happened? It's pretty infuriating. 90 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:17.839 Did I just ask a quick question? 91 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:18.519 Sure? 92 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.079 So, as far as when I look at the photo 93 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:26.439 of baby Hope, she looks to be Southeast Asian to me, 94 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.720 like she looks like she could be from Myanmar or Cambodia. 95 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.839 The fact that I lived in Southeast Asia, I feel 96 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:37.560 like this just looks like so many of the girls 97 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:41.839 that I saw who lived there. And it's said in 98 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:46.480 the description that you wrote that two well dressed Hispanic 99 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.680 people were seen holding a cooler, so perhaps it was them. 100 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.800 Did they release any information about what they thought would 101 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:56.680 be her heritage? 102 00:05:58.120 --> 00:05:59.439 I don't know if they did. At the time, I 103 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.560 think they mostly thought that she was going to be 104 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:04.560 Mexican American, and that turned out to be true. You 105 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.439 were going to find out that she was born in 106 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.079 New York, but I think her family was from Mexico. 107 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:11.759 But I don't think they really thought that she was 108 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.240 going to be Asian or Cambodian or anything. I think 109 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.360 they thought from the very beginning that she was from 110 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:20.199 an Hispanic heritage. So it was in the summer of 111 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:24.040 twenty thirteen when the New York Police Department decided to 112 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:26.720 reopen the case because this is one that had haunted 113 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:29.600 them for over twenty years, and they finally got a 114 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.720 tip from someone who had seen the new media coverage 115 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:36.120 and openly wondered if the child might be her older sister, 116 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:40.279 Angelica Castillo, whom she had not seen in over twenty years. 117 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:44.079 This led the investigators to this person's mother. Her name 118 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:47.519 was Margerita Castillo, who had a total of ten children, 119 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:52.240 and confirmed that Angelica, this missing child, had left New 120 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:55.480 York when she was only four years old. But Margerita 121 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.360 just said that she assumed that Angelica's biological father had 122 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.120 taken her back to his native Mexico. So that's why 123 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.000 she never filed a missing person's report and why no 124 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.360 one ever put two and two together back in nineteen 125 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:10.920 ninety one. Well, they would use DNA testing to eventually 126 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:15.360 confirm that Margarita was baby Hope's biological mother, so the 127 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:21.199 victim was positively identified as Angelica Castillo, and Margherita, as 128 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.759 you can imagine, faced a lot of criticism for not 129 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.519 reporting Angelica missing. It's unclear if she knew what really 130 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.319 happened to her baby, but it turned out that she 131 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.680 was not directly responsible for Angelica's death, as the investigation 132 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:39.360 soon focused towards Margherita's fifty two year old paternal cousin, 133 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:44.439 whose name was Conrado Juarez, and after being extensively investigated 134 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:48.800 by police, Warez finally confessed to being responsible for Angelica's murder, 135 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:51.879 claiming that he had sexually assaulted the child inside his 136 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:54.519 apartment and then wound up smothering her to death with 137 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.759 a pillow when she started screaming, and then afterwards, Warez 138 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.519 and his sister, who were presumably the couple seen with 139 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.879 the cooler, decided to place Angelica's body into the cooler 140 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.279 and dumped it alongside the Henry Hudson Parkway a. Warez 141 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.480 his sister was already to cease by this point, but 142 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.439 they were able to charge Warez with a felony second 143 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:18.279 degree murder, but he soon recanted his confession and claimed 144 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:21.759 it was coerced, so he entered a plea of not guilty, 145 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:23.639 But there never would be a trial for the crime, 146 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:27.120 as Warez wound up dying of pancreatic cancer while he 147 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:30.680 was in jail in November of twenty eighteen. And that's 148 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:32.759 a very unpleasant way to eye. So even though it 149 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:36.320 was very unsatisfying to not see this case achieved total justice, 150 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:38.879 I guess you could say that karma really got this 151 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:39.639 guy in the end. 152 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:45.240 That sounds so terrible to think that you would take 153 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:50.000 this small little child and sexually abused her, and then 154 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:53.879 when she screams out, likely for her mom or whomver, 155 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:56.919 you decide that you just can't handle this sound of 156 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:58.879 her screen so you don't want anyone to hear it. 157 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:04.039 Let's just it's horrific. And to think that he didn't 158 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:08.039 pay for what he did, I mean, pancreatic cancer. Like 159 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:11.759 you said, that could be his karma. But anytime there's 160 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.559 a case with a child involved, it just it like 161 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:17.679 rocks me to my core. I have such a hard 162 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.600 time with that, especially when there's the inclusion of sexual 163 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.159 abuse like this. To think of a young baby dying 164 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.679 like that, in total fear, screaming for her mommy. It 165 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.759 just hurts my heart in ways I can't even describe. 166 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:36.440 Yeah, it's disgusting. It makes me so heartbroken when you 167 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.200 think about this, and to think that this is somebody 168 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.200 who was able to do this, discard of a child 169 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:45.360 like she had no value, and then continue to live 170 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:47.519 a normal life. There's a chance this was not his 171 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.440 only victim. This is a victim that wasn't able to 172 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.960 have her voice heard right until decades later when she 173 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:57.120 got her name back. But this is likely not his 174 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.360 only victim. And you think about the poor mom. You know, 175 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:04.440 their Hispanic family, They had immigrated here to the United States. 176 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:09.320 She thought that the father had taken her. And one 177 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:11.799 review that I read, one article that I read, said 178 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.000 that she actually feared reporting anything or reaching out for 179 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.480 help or even trying to find her daughter because language barriers, 180 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:24.360 immigration issues, And so it really does highlight this idea 181 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.000 that you know in the nineties, she's also scared for 182 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.080 the safety of the children that are still in her care. 183 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:31.679 If she were to call and to say I can't 184 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.080 locate my child. Is she charged with neglect? Is she 185 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.440 investigated for a potential deportation, and so all of these 186 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:41.799 things were also weighing on the mother. I'm not saying 187 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.639 it makes it right. She's just as much value as 188 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.320 the other nine children in the family. But if she 189 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:50.399 truly believed she went with the father, and let's say 190 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:53.600 she's struggling to make ends meet, she trusts that, you know, 191 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:57.039 a biological parent is caring for this child, and unfortunately, 192 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.399 because she did not know where that baby was, it 193 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.480 ended up in the hands of the cousin. And like 194 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.320 I said, of what breaks my heart the most is 195 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:10.720 I highly doubt someone who's that sick and unhealthy and 196 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:13.679 can continue to live a normal life that that was 197 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.120 his only victim. I highly doubted. So it makes me 198 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.960 incredibly upset to think of what other child suffered at 199 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:23.200 his hands, either deceased or continued to fight to have 200 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.240 a life after abuse from him. So very, very tragic 201 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.720 case by far to me, the most disturbing we've talked about. 202 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.600 And it's crazy to think too that that was Like 203 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:34.360 you brought up the fact that it was the nineties, 204 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:36.240 but if there was a woman who was in a 205 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:40.720 similar situation now as Baby Hope's mother, I could see 206 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:44.919 it in current times her having difficulty reporting it, especially 207 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.759 if there was immigration issues, because you would be very 208 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:50.600 worried about what would happened to your other nine children. 209 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.639 So I have deep empathy for her experience as a 210 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.360 mother when you have to go like the ends justifies 211 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.000 the means, like I'm not reporting my daughter missing, and 212 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:04.279 it's easy to judge, but when you have nine other 213 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:08.120 mouths to feed and you're worried about potential deportation or 214 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:12.639 like you said, language barrier, any type of issues that 215 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:15.759 people who are minorities would face in that type of 216 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.799 a situation, and they would have been a lot, especially 217 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:22.519 in nineteen ninety one. So for her mother, I could 218 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:27.879 understand where she came from. Although it obviously led to 219 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.799 this taking a lot longer to be solved, it's just 220 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.559 it's a sad case overall for so many reasons. 221 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.159 Yeah, And the woman that called in the tip that 222 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.279 finally led to this being solved, it turned how her 223 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:43.879 name was Laurenceita Ramirez, and it turned out she was 224 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:47.720 Angelica's biological sister, and she also said that she didn't 225 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:51.080 even know that Angelica existed until she was eleven years old, 226 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:54.080 because apparently her mother and the rest of her siblings 227 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.879 never talked about her and just went with the narrative 228 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:59.720 that her father had come and kidnapped her and taken 229 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.240 her back to Mexico. They did look into her father, 230 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.000 Gennaro Ramirez, and initially they thought he might have been 231 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.919 involved in Angelica's murder until Conradojarez made his confession, and 232 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:15.120 they still haven't located Gennaro. He is still believed to 233 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.559 be living in Mexico, and he may not even know 234 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:20.039 what happened to his daughter because he hasn't been part 235 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:23.639 of his family's life in so many years. But and 236 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:26.840 for the record, I do not believe Conrado Juarez's claims 237 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.919 that confession. His confession was coerced, because we've seen this 238 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:32.519 in a lot of cases where a lot of people 239 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.799 are wrongfully convicted after being forced to give a confession. 240 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:37.840 But when you look at all the evidence, it strongly 241 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.879 suggests that he and his sister were the two people 242 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:43.840 who were seen disposing of the cooler next to the parkway, 243 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:45.759 And I do think that if he had had a 244 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.039 chance to go on trial, he would have been convicted. 245 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.080 Can you imagine what that conversation with his sister would 246 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.320 have gone like? Because she was also related to his 247 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:59.879 sister would have been her cousin as well. To think, Okay, 248 00:13:59.919 --> 00:14:04.080 I accidentally killed our baby cousin while I was molesting her, 249 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.600 or while I was sexually abusing her, and then the 250 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:10.799 sister decides to help. Maybe she too, Like astually brought 251 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.519 up that he likely had other victims. Maybe she too 252 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:15.600 was a victim. Maybe she was scared of him at 253 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.399 some point, and maybe he exerted some kind of coercion 254 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:24.039 or control over her. It's just a really unthinkable scenario 255 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.360 when we don't know all of the details to think 256 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.000 that you just jump up and help to dispose of 257 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.399 your cousin in a cooler topped with coke. 258 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.200 She also could have been an abuser as well, So 259 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.200 we think about, you know, the men being sexual abusers 260 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.759 or physical abusers, but women also play a role. And 261 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.840 when you have people who are in this unhealthy relationship, 262 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.840 let's say it was a offender and victim, even though 263 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.080 they're related, or they're both just offenders. 264 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:50.399 Right. 265 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.559 That's not uncommon where you'll see multiple family members who 266 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:55.960 engage in the abuse of one child. They become the 267 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:00.600 scapegoat of all anger, frustration, sexual tension, right, that that 268 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:04.159 child's just the target, and so I wouldn't put it 269 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.639 past her actually having knowledge of and or participating in 270 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:08.600 abuse as well. 271 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:12.240 Yeah, when na Warez recanted his confession, he tried to 272 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:15.000 put all the blame on his sisters, saying that oh, 273 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:17.159 all he did was disposed of the body, that his 274 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.559 sister was the one who asked him for help and 275 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.759 told her that Angelica had died from a fall down 276 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.600 the stairs. Because the sisters no longer round, we can't 277 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:27.960 hear her side of the story. But maybe he did 278 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:29.879 the same thing to her. Maybe he just said, oh, 279 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.759 Angelica fell down the stairs, and he didn't tell her 280 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:34.759 that he'd been abusing her, and then she agreed to 281 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:38.480 dispose of it to avoid potential legal problems. So yeah, 282 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.840 this is a technically a SOLVET case. But because the 283 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:44.679 main perpetrator died before he could go on trial and 284 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:47.519 the accomplice died many years ago, we were probably never 285 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.279 going to learn the full story about how these events unfolded. 286 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:54.000 So our next entry on the list is the Huntington 287 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:57.799 Beach Jane Doe. On April the first, nineteen ninety, a 288 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.799 young woman stepped on to Pacific Coast high at Huntington Beach, California, 289 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:05.159 and was instantly killed after being struck by two vehicles. 290 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:09.320 She carried no identification, but wore one very unique item, 291 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:12.840 a ring made of human hair. When the media published 292 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:15.399 a sketch of the woman, many residents came forward to 293 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.279 claim they had interacted with her. She had told some 294 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:20.559 people that her name was Andrea and that she was 295 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:23.440 twenty five or twenty six, though she looked young enough 296 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.159 to be between sixteen and eighteen years old. One resident 297 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.279 claimed that Andrea was a transient and that he let 298 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:31.600 her spend the night with his family. This is where 299 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.360 he witnessed the woman cut off a chunk of her 300 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.600 hair and wrap it around her finger as a ring. 301 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:39.600 Other residents who spoke with her gave conflicting stories about 302 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:43.039 her being from Virginia and New York. One person said 303 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:45.480 the woman mentioned she was adopted and was searching for 304 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.279 her birth family, and she also claimed that her parents 305 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.799 were pretty well known. In spite of investigators following up 306 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:55.399 on numerous leads, the woman still remains unidentified over twenty 307 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:56.039 years later. 308 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:01.360 This is such a strange case that this woman who 309 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:03.919 went by the name of Andrea was obviously a lot 310 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.240 younger trying to pass herself off is older and more mature, 311 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.119 maybe because she would be taken more seriously, or you 312 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:13.880 would feel safer if people perceived you to be older 313 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:17.519 and more worldly than being like eighteen years old, where 314 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.079 you're just kind of discovering things for the first time. 315 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.799 It makes me wonder what her home life was like 316 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.680 if she was indeed that young, What was she running 317 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.039 away from? What was she running towards? Was there something 318 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:33.839 traumatic that happened. I also find the human hair ring 319 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.279 to be a really bizarre detail. 320 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:38.960 For sure, And you also have to think that you know, 321 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.400 what is she battling, not only what home life is 322 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.079 she escaping or what perceived home life is she escaping, 323 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.599 but it almost sounds like she's struggling with mental health 324 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.960 issues as well. She's telling multiple stories. Could it be 325 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:53.440 to cover and to try to, like you said, appear 326 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.079 to be a different person to the people she's interacting with, 327 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.200 possibly and keeping a live straights very hard. So what 328 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.240 if some of these ideas she's expressing and these kind 329 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:06.640 of contradictions are a result of a mental health episode 330 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:10.480 where she's continuing to tell people these grand stories. You 331 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:14.400 know she's adopted, she's running away. She has these parents 332 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.319 that are well known. You know, she's radically shifting on 333 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:20.160 the spectrum. Could she have run away from a home 334 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:24.240 that maybe wasn't bad and she's perceived it because she's 335 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.240 had this mental health break? Is she running from something? 336 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.319 Or do we really not know the background whatsoever? There's 337 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.240 so many things that could have happened. But am I 338 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.680 right that one of the witnesses said that they actually 339 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:37.880 watched her cut her own hair off and tie her 340 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:39.599 own hair around her finger. 341 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:42.880 Yeah, she was staying with someone because she was a transient, 342 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:44.680 and they welcomed her in her home and they just 343 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.000 saw her just do this out of nowhere. And when 344 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:49.359 her body was found, she was still wearing the uh 345 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:50.680 ring man out of hair. 346 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:52.799 Okay, So when I first read it, I was thinking 347 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:55.519 like an antique hair ring that they would use in 348 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:59.599 morning jewelry. But no, this is a kid who's cutting 349 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:01.519 off a think of her hair and tinyen around her finger. 350 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:04.240 So again I think it really screams this idea of 351 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.640 she's having a almost psychotic break of reality. And maybe 352 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:12.000 each person's story is what they were told, and you 353 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:14.880 have this person who we don't know much about but 354 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.039 did she really have touch of her reality before she 355 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:18.880 went missing. 356 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:22.559 Well, as we're going to find out, she probably did 357 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:25.119 have mental health issues, and she hailed a long way 358 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.880 from California, and we'll probably never know the real story 359 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:31.319 about why she traveled there. I first became familiar with 360 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:34.079 this when it was featured on Unsolved Mysteries during the 361 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:37.640 nineteen nineties. They did a segment on Unidentified John or 362 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.400 Jane does and at the end they had kind of 363 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.279 a role call where they would show a couple of 364 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:45.319 unidentified decedents and ask people to come forward if they 365 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.079 had information. And ironically enough, the roll call also featured 366 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:51.720 the Sumpter County Doze, which we talked about on our 367 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:55.799 first episode, and they've also been identified. And I actually 368 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.480 briefly talked about this one on The Trail Went Cold 369 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:01.279 in early two thousand and six seventeen, when I did 370 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:05.799 my minisode about the disappearance of Janelle Matthews, which took 371 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.440 place in Greeley, Colorado, in nineteen eighty four. And I 372 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:12.079 only brought it up because someone made a Reddit post 373 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.799 which brought up the possibility that perhaps Janelle was the 374 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:19.359 Huntington Beach Jane Doe because there were some compelling similarities. 375 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:22.279 But of course, as we all know, Janelle Matthews was 376 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.160 abducted and murdered by a man named Steve Panky, so 377 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:29.319 these cases are completely unrelated. But ironically enough, just a 378 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:32.440 couple months after I dropped that trail and cold episode 379 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:36.079 in May of twenty seventeen, we finally got an identification 380 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:39.319 in this case. And much like Little Miss PANASOFKI, this 381 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:41.640 one wasn't done with DNA. It was done by the 382 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:45.519 old fashioned method of fingerprints. It turned out that the 383 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:49.359 victim's name actually was Andrea. Her name was Andrea Kuyper. 384 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:51.799 She was twenty six years old at the time of 385 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:56.039 her death, and she originally hailed from Fairfax, Virginia, all 386 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:58.640 the way on the other side of the country to California. 387 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.759 The upload Jane Doe's fingerprints into the FBI's automated fingerprint 388 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.240 identification system, and it turned out the back in nineteen 389 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:10.079 eighty seven, Andrea Kuiper had gotten a job with the 390 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:13.720 US Department of Agriculture, which required her to provide her 391 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:17.960 fingerprints on her application, and because those prints were entered 392 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.920 into a government database, they wound up being matched to 393 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:24.640 the Jane Doe. So they got in touch with Andrea's family, 394 00:21:24.680 --> 00:21:27.279 who were still living in Virginia, and they confirmed that 395 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:30.960 they had not seen her since nineteen eighty nine, that 396 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:35.319 she just decided to leave home for unexplained reasons. And 397 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:37.519 then a few months before her death, a friend of 398 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.359 hers called her family to let them know Andrea was okay, 399 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:43.680 but didn't share any information from about her current whereabouts. 400 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.799 They completely lost touch with her, and of course they 401 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:49.480