1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:25,879 Speaker 1: You're listening to Petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,879 Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome, Welcome, welcome, You are here with 3 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,159 doctor Jeff Weerber, host of Askedvats with Doctor Jeff here 4 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,880 on pet Life Radio. Here to help you with your pets. 5 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:40,439 Answer questions you may have, talk about behavior problems, medical problems, 6 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,960 surgical does ease, whatever it is. 7 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: Just go give us a call. 8 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: You can reach us for easy, get a hold of 9 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:47,799 pick up that phone eight seven seven three eight. 10 00:00:47,799 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: Five eight eight eight two. We'd love to hear from you. 11 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,399 Speaker 2: You can also join us in conversation just you can 12 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,679 log on here at pet Life Radio to ask the 13 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:57,880 vets with doctor Jeff. You can also send me an 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,640 email to Dr Jeff. That's doctor Jeff at Petlife Radio 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,079 dot com. We'll be here for the next half hour 16 00:01:04,159 --> 00:01:07,400 on this lovely Thursday one o'clock smack in the middle 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,840 of the day here in very nice and sunny southern California. 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,040 I have nothing to complain about. I'm sure that many 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,159 of you are joining us in cities that are not 20 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,280 as warm and sunny in the seventies as we are 21 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:20,319 here today in LA. But again, it gets cold for 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,840 us at night. Now you're gonna laugh when I say 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,760 cold for us is fifty five degrees, but I just still. 24 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: Have to wear sweater. 25 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: But heading up to the mountains this weekend, heading up 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,200 to Mammoth Lakes, California, where it is believe it or not, freezing. Yes, 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,480 it does freeze here in California as well, and I'm 28 00:01:35,519 --> 00:01:39,079 just hoping the conditions are good for my snowboarding. But anyway, 29 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:41,159 we're here for you, so pick up that phone, and 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,760 I want to thank our sponsors as always, pro Sense 31 00:01:43,879 --> 00:01:48,799 Pet products available at your big retailers like Target, like Walmart, 32 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:52,760 like Walgreens, and pro Sense products for your pets. 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Speaking of pro Sense, 38 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,879 anyone who calls in a question, anyone who emails us 39 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,719 a question that we read an answer or answer live 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,080 here on Asking Bats with doctor Jeff here on Pet 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,039 Life Radio, we will send you out a free pro 42 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:17,479 Sense product for your. 43 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:18,439 Speaker 3: Dog or your cat. 44 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: So before we as we get started, we had an 45 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,520 email sent to us that we want to I just 46 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,919 want to talk to you quickly about and basically this 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,159 is coming from someone who listens to our show, and 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,680 I'm going to read it. It's just basically labeled to us, 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,159 just from Nancy, and it starts, please help, Please help. 50 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:39,479 My bird acts like he's itching, only one side of 51 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,560 his wing underneath, but no signs of blooderbear, spots of flesh. 52 00:02:42,719 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 3: He is. I love to hear this. He is forty 53 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:45,560 years old. 54 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,759 Speaker 2: One thing about birds, if you're going to get a 55 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,400 large citizen of a car or a parrot, you better 56 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,759 be prepared a cockatoo that these birds are very very 57 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,599 possibly are going to outlive you, so you have to 58 00:02:57,599 --> 00:02:59,479 make some arrangements in your wills. 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: These birds. 60 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: I've seen these birds live to eighty plus years. So anyway, 61 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,319 this bird is forty. He started picking when he moved 62 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:09,120 from Oregon to Washington. That's important. We guys to that 63 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:11,159 in a minute in two thousand and three, and then 64 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:13,360 he started picking his beak in two thousand and seven. 65 00:03:13,439 --> 00:03:16,360 He scratches until he almost falls off his perch and 66 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:17,879 screams and ruffles his feathers. 67 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:18,479 Speaker 3: Afterwards. 68 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,479 Speaker 2: He's had the same cage, large size, five feet high, 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,360 dimensions armor, it's fairly large his whole life. Also a 70 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,360 small medium cage that I put him into to keep 71 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:28,199 hi in the kitchen a living room with me, so 72 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:29,639 he is not locked up in the one room all 73 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:32,599 day or night by himself, nor veterin aaran and Gaithersburg, Maryland, 74 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,000 did all test possible and did a hormone implant. Still 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,840 no change. One doctor gave him prosact, which didn't help. 76 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:41,479 He stops picking at approximately three am when I take him 77 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,879 out at midnight and am upreading or writing letters, So 78 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:47,199 that's very important. He's in a room where there isn't 79 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:49,719 any sun through the window. He gets some sun in 80 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:52,199 the spring in summer. So I'm going to pass this 81 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:54,960 on to two of my very good friends and colleagues 82 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,120 who who pretty much specialize in birds, do a lot 83 00:03:57,159 --> 00:03:59,080 of bird work. But meanwhile, there's some things that I 84 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,759 picked up here, Nancy, that we can talk about. Number one, 85 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,759 this started with a move from Oregon to Washington, d C. 86 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,800 Birds are very sensitive to change, and when they start 87 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,759 what we call feather picking or this type of scratching behavior, 88 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:21,120 it oftentimes is nerve anxiety related and some other things 89 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,560 that struck me. As he's been in the same cage 90 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,680 his whole life. That might be convenient, but it may 91 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,120 not be the best thing for the bird, because sometimes 92 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,720 they do like change. Also the fact that he gets 93 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,360 no sunshine, and I would take him out even if 94 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:35,600 you can. 95 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: You can get harness this for these birds. 96 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: You can teach these birds to walk on a leash, 97 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,160 believe it or not, and get him outside and give 98 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,879 him more outdoor time. And one last thing, notice that 99 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,319 he stops picking approximately three am for some reason. Something's 100 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,800 going on at that time of day. So he's on 101 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:51,759 his own clock when I take him out at midnight 102 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,000 and in the morning, or when he's up when I'm 103 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,879 up writing letters, which means when he is not sitting 104 00:04:56,879 --> 00:05:00,879 there bored a stiff by himself. He doesn't to behave 105 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,720 this way. It's only when this anxiety strikes and he 106 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:06,680 knows what he likes. 107 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:07,399 Speaker 3: He's forty. 108 00:05:07,639 --> 00:05:09,319 Speaker 2: At forty, I think he knows what he likes and 109 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,800 doesn't like. So those are some of the simple things. 110 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:14,439 I was joking that I would throw my two cents in. 111 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:16,319 I probably can only give you one and a half 112 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:19,399 because that's about my bird. Repertoire when it comes to 113 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:21,560 these behavior problems. But of all the things I do 114 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,439 and remember and read about, birds are extremely sensitive to 115 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,120 this type of behavior issue. And I think we're going 116 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,240 to get to something so well, next week we're not 117 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,480 going to be on live, but the week after that 118 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,240 I will have had time to talk to a couple 119 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,399 of my buddies who specialize in birds, and we're going 120 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:40,120 to get you some more specific answers. So certainly we 121 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,959 want you to stay tuned. Another thing that I've had 122 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,399 an interesting run this week, and interesting in the sense 123 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,920 that there has been some news. 124 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: Oh. 125 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: I'd say it started about a month to month and 126 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,040 a half ago about a new virus in town. They 127 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:55,560 call it a circle virus, speaking of birds. We've seen 128 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,360 it in birds and in swine and pigs, and it 129 00:05:59,399 --> 00:06:03,800 was the first noted in Ohio affecting dogs, and not 130 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,560 many cases here in California, in fact, hardly any until 131 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,439 recently we've heard of some cases in California as well. 132 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: Well. I have five. 133 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:14,519 Speaker 2: Dogs and my old labrador who's twelve and a half 134 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,240 and up until this point had been doing amazingly well, 135 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,199 except of course, he's slowing down on his hind end. 136 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,160 And he did have a cancer, a tumor called masked 137 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:26,079 cell disease when he was younger, actually four and a 138 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,000 half years of age. 139 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,319 Speaker 3: We removed it. We got good margins. 140 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:32,519 Speaker 2: It was a what we call grade two, and we 141 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,079 left it alone, and he to this day has been 142 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:38,160 doing great. So he starts out of the blue, vomiting 143 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:42,079 like crazy, diarrhea, anarexic, not wanting to eat, no strength. 144 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,199 I mean, he was going downhill and he was so 145 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,639 weak and depressed. And here I am worried. Okay, what 146 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:50,319 did you get into? What could you have possibly eaten? 147 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,720 Why are you vomiting? Is there anything stuck in your 148 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,439 intestinal track? 149 00:06:53,519 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: Et cetera. 150 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,079 Speaker 2: So I brought him in, of course, to my office, 151 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,279 took some blood work, put him on IVS. The bloods 152 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,160 came back perfect, absolutely perfect. So now, oh my gosh, 153 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,000 now I'm worried. When you have a case like this 154 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,600 and the X rays are perfect, the ultra sound is good, 155 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:10,959 and you have perfect bloods, you start worrying about, well, 156 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:12,480 maybe it's more of a mechanical issue. 157 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: Maybe it's an issue within. 158 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: The intestinal tract itself, something that would not be of 159 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,600 evident on a blood work. There's no blood test to 160 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,319 test for the stomach wall or the intestinal lining, especially 161 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:28,199 if this infiltrative disease, meaning a cancer. So I'm thinking, oh, 162 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:29,759 we got to get him scoped, we got to get 163 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,680 some samples, and I'm worried that this mass sell disease 164 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,000 that he had when he was four and a half 165 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,839 is finally starting to catch up with him. Then, literally, miraculously, 166 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:41,920 within a day on IVS treatment, etc. He starts perking 167 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:44,839 up to his old self, starts eating, still had some diarrhea, 168 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,839 but we've gotten better resolved in about a day or two, 169 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:49,680 and I'm feeling great. Take him home, and what happens 170 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,720 the next day One of my French bulldogs comes down 171 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,000 with the same symptoms, So bring him in. Now I'm 172 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,240 feeling maybe they both got into the same thing. These two, interestingly, 173 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:02,360 are the two two of my five that seem to 174 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:06,240 think that the cat turds in the litter are a 175 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:10,000 delicacy and they will attack that cat litter every chance 176 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:10,480 they get. 177 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: Somethink. Okay, maybe it's that. 178 00:08:12,519 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: So treat my second one, my little Denzel, and then 179 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:18,959 a day later Herbie and Tommy, my other friends, he 180 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:21,279 and my other lab so now I'm thinking, you know what, 181 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,800 this is too bizarre. I'm wondering if we don't have 182 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,480 circa virus, which seems to be well I've obviously left untreated. 183 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:30,680 It can be deadly, and there were cases where it 184 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:32,799 was deadly. But I think if you get it and 185 00:08:32,879 --> 00:08:35,200 you treat it well and you be aggressive, it's nothing 186 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,919 more than a really bad intestinal infection, and that's what 187 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:41,039 it turned out to be. But I really want to 188 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,440 know out there how much of this is something we 189 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,000 need to worry about. So I know a lot of 190 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,080 you out there afraid to call. You're afraid to hit 191 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,480 us with your questions. Don't like picking up that phone 192 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,919 and dialing those very simple numbers eight seven seven three 193 00:08:53,919 --> 00:08:56,120 eight five eight eight A two. But I want to 194 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:58,679 know any of you out here listening to our program 195 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:08,360 have had issues recently with nonspecific, unexplained cases of vomiting, diarrhea, anorexia, depression, lethargy, 196 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,559 sort of just non specific gas toine testinal problems that maybe, 197 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:16,559 just maybe we might be seeing this virus. Unfortunately, there's 198 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,279 no way to test for it. There's no testing, there's 199 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,960 no specific treatment for it. So it's not like parvo 200 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,360 where we can give a parvo vaccine. So I want 201 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:25,919 to know, so please pick up the phone, don't be shy, 202 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,399 don't be embarrassed, and let us know. And of course 203 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:32,240 just for responding, free pro sense product going out your 204 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:35,840 way for your dog or your cat. But thankfully they're 205 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:38,320 all doing great. Took the last one, last two home 206 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,480 last night and they're back to normal, back to their 207 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,720 own mischievous behavior, and I'm feeling pretty happy. But it's 208 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,240 a big concern. Another thing I wanted to talk to 209 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:52,759 you about that you know, I don't sometimes realize how 210 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:57,320 little people know about things. And I'm talking the really smart, 211 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:01,000 well versed pet owner when it comes to certain conditions 212 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:03,799 that they hopefully will never see in their lifetime with 213 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:06,360 their pet, and if they've never had it before, they 214 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:09,240 have no idea of knowing. So instead of waiting until it, 215 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,519 Heaven forbid happens to you, let's share from other people's experiences. 216 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:17,080 What are some of the things when it comes to 217 00:10:17,639 --> 00:10:20,559 parenting you should know about. And that which I want 218 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,639 to talk to you about is a condition that we 219 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,759 see in cats and it's called fatty liver syndrome that 220 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,720 can be potentially deadly and why does it happen? 221 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 3: When does it happen? How does it happen? 222 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: And if you know this and you know what to recognize, 223 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,399 and you know how serious the ramifications are or could be, 224 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,799 then maybe you won't wait till it gets to this point. 225 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: What am I talking about? What ramifications? 226 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:51,639 Speaker 2: Dogs can probably go five to seven days without eating, 227 00:10:51,759 --> 00:10:54,799 as long as they have water, they can go without eating. 228 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,279 Cats not a chance. Cats, if they don't eat within 229 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,799 three days, they potentially can develop this condition we call 230 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:09,799 fatty liver syndrome. And once fatty liver syndrome hits a cat, 231 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,399 it sort of sets up a negative spiral because they 232 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,279 start feeling so lousy, their liver enzymes, especially their billy ruben, 233 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,519 start elevating. And when billy ruben goes up, what you 234 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:24,279 notice is first of all, the inside of your cat's ears, 235 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,200 the whites of their eyes, that even the light pink 236 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,399 part of their gums and tongue start looking yellow. We 237 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,799 call that jaundice, and that when we see a jaundice cat, 238 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,759 that is a very serious problem. There is a it 239 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:45,960 sounds terrible to hear, but there are certain conditions that 240 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:49,559 when we say if a cat develops this, their chances 241 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:55,519 of survival are slim. And one of those conditions is jaundice. 242 00:11:55,759 --> 00:11:59,799 So when a cat starts having gastrointestinal more specifically livered 243 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,279 so much so to the point that they start getting yellow, 244 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:06,320 a yellow cat is serious. Well, that's what happens in 245 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,399 fatty liver syndrome. They're billy ruben, which would normally be 246 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:13,000 oh less than one. It's usually maybe point five to 247 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:15,840 you know, point four can be as high as six 248 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:18,720 to nine, to ten to twelve. Even this is really 249 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:23,120 serious once they start feeling that lousy. Now, for whatever 250 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:26,200 the initial insult was that stopped them from want to eat, 251 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,519 which could could have been simply behavioral. It could have 252 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:30,240 been you were gone for the weekend. It could have 253 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:32,399 been you changed their diet. It could have been you 254 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:34,200 you got a new dog in the house, you put 255 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,840 their litter box in the wrong whatever that they wanted 256 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,559 to go on a little hunger strike. You can't let 257 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,080 your cats go on a hunger strike for much more 258 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,600 than three days. They must eat or else we have 259 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,720 to consider running the risk of fatty liver syndrome, and 260 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,039 this could be extremely serious. So when you see it happen, 261 00:12:53,399 --> 00:12:57,120 you must take your cat to your veterinarian asap. But 262 00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:59,960 your veterinarian will obviously do some workup, take some blood 263 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,559 work and start some force feeding. And when we come 264 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,440 back from our break in just a minute, we are 265 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,639 going to go through some of these methods of force feeding. 266 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:10,840 So here it is through our midway through our half hour, 267 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,159 so we're going to be back in just a second. 268 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:15,960 Don't go away. Stay tuned. You're here with doctor Jeff. 269 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:18,200 Ask to bets with doctor Jeff. 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And before the break, 313 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:05,720 we were talking about a very serious condition that unfortunately, 314 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,720 fortunately we don't see often, but unfortunate when we see it, 315 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,639 it's often very difficult to pull these cats out of 316 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:14,320 this condition. We call it fatty liver syndrome, often brought 317 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:17,440 upon by cats who aren't eating. And the really sad 318 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,200 part is is that when the reason for their not 319 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,000 eating is something behavioral, something that was easily preventable, the 320 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,320 ramifications of that not eating and developing fatty liver syndrome 321 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:33,600 could be so serious that often a otherwise healthy cat 322 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:37,519 can succumb to this severe, serious condition. Now, when the 323 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:40,960 not eating is brought upon by another serious condition, say 324 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,320 you know, kidney failures, say already having some other type 325 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,440 of liver disease, say it cancer, say severe oral disease, 326 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,559 something else that is preventing this cat from wanting to 327 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,480 eat well, then you have really two problems to deal with. 328 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:56,679 One is the underlying disease and also secondly is the 329 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,639 fatty liver syndrome. So we're mentioning that it's serious enough 330 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:02,399 that when your cat goes more than three days without eating, 331 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,640 now we're talking serious. You can't sit back like a 332 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,799 dog and wait another two or three days. Figuring out 333 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:10,000 as long as they're drinking water, they could probably go longer, 334 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:13,839 which a dog most dogs can, but not cats. Not cats, 335 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:17,559 so your veterani will of course takes some lab work. Typically, 336 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:20,920 what you're going to see is a very very high 337 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,160 billy ruben and some elevated liver enzymes, the ALT possibly 338 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,799 the ast GGT. These are all of enzymes alkaline phosphatase, 339 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,640 and something obviously needs to be started ivy fluids, supportive care, 340 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,160 but most importantly, we must get food into. 341 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 3: These cat's stomach. 342 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: Now, these cats are feeling so lousy because of the 343 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:44,400 high billy ruben, the fact that they're jaundice meaning yellow, 344 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:47,920 by the fact that they're having other liver enzyme elevations. 345 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,799 They just don't want to eat, so it's sort of 346 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:53,119 a vicious cycle. Now, the less they've eaten and started 347 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,359 this condition. The higher these values get, the worse they feel. 348 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,880 The worst they feel, the less they want to eat, 349 00:17:58,039 --> 00:17:59,720 which just contributes to the problem. 350 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:01,519 Speaker 3: So we have to force feed these cats. 351 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: Now, some cats that aren't nauseous, aren't vomiting or spinning up, 352 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:07,759 might be amenable to having one of these. It's kind 353 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:09,960 of like a syringe with a curve tip, and you 354 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,640 can feed like a soft, moist, mushy gruel, taking like 355 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:18,559 baby food or ad or or you know, hike max 356 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:21,680 cow pet food and sticking to a blender with some water, 357 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:25,079 making it into like a very smooth like soup in consistency, 358 00:18:25,319 --> 00:18:27,960 and actually force feeding the cat, putting it to their mouths, 359 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,759 slowly letting them swallow, and doing this several several times 360 00:18:31,799 --> 00:18:35,079 a day and slowly getting their nutrition back, which could 361 00:18:35,079 --> 00:18:37,359 help the problem a lot of times. However, if this 362 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:40,599 isn't possible, or the cats are just fighting you too much, 363 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:42,960 and let's face it, anyone who's had cats and is 364 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,039 trying to even get them so much to take a 365 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:47,000 pill or to brush their teeth, No, when a cat 366 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:48,960 doesn't want something, it's not happening. 367 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:49,759 Speaker 3: You do know that. 368 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: So we might want to put an NG tube that 369 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:56,599 stands for a naso gastric two. This is a very small, 370 00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:59,400 say maybe a three and a half to five French 371 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:02,599 red rubber tube that we actually pass up the nose 372 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:04,920 all the way through the sinus. It goes back to 373 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,960 the back of the fittingnagel pharynx, which is the back 374 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,400 of the throat, down into the esophagus into the stomach, 375 00:19:09,559 --> 00:19:12,240 and we go ahead and we can push oh, like 376 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:16,839 a liquid diet through this tube directly into the stomach 377 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,920 bypass the swallowing reflex. These cats typically, even if they 378 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,279 are a little nauss, probably won't spit up, and that's 379 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:24,680 how we get them their food. Lastly, we can do 380 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:28,559 a farngostamy tube we also call a peg tube or 381 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,279 an et tube. In an esophageal tube, this is where 382 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:34,039 a little cut is made in the back of the 383 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:36,920 neck into the mouth, into the back of the oral cavity. 384 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:39,920 And then what we do is we will pull introduce 385 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,759 a much much larger tube through this incision, and then 386 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,440 we take that tube pass it down the esophagus. So 387 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,680 we do it on the left side because the esophagus 388 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,000 typically sits on the left side of the trachia. And 389 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:54,000 of course we don't want to cross the trachea because 390 00:19:54,039 --> 00:19:55,720 that can cause a lot of problems. And then we 391 00:19:55,759 --> 00:20:00,480 pass this tube down into the esophagus and we feed 392 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,400 them that way. So that's another way that we take 393 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,720 care of these cases. But it is very important that 394 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,440 these cats will have an opportunity to eat, because if not, 395 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:14,640 the condition is only going to get worse. And once 396 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,279 it gets worse, there's not a lot that can be done. Anyway, 397 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,039 I just what happens, I believe it or not, And 398 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:20,799 this is it's weird that it happened, is way. I 399 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:23,720 have two cats in the hospital now that are both 400 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,920 being fed through engtubes and both have severe jaundice, fatty 401 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,920 liver disease. Not sure on either one whether it was 402 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,000 these are behavior related or some other insult that stopped 403 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,119 them from eating in the first place, or some other 404 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,200 underlying disease. And you know, unfortunately, you take your test 405 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,640 and you see liver ands and elevations, You're not sure. 406 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,599 Wait a second, with the liver enzymes and liver disease 407 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:48,920 there first, which then caused this cat to become anorexic? 408 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,079 Or did this cat become anorexic for some other reason, 409 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,279 and now it has fatty liver syndrome, so the liver 410 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,599 enzymes are elevated. Sometimes we'll never know, We may never know, 411 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,920 so in the meantime, these cats need to be tre 412 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,920 it need to be treated and fed aggressively. And if 413 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,519 this has ever happened to you, or you know somebody, 414 00:21:05,799 --> 00:21:08,079 or you're talking to somebody in there and you notice 415 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,799 that their cat has not eaten, or they can play 416 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:11,160 on'm my god, my cat's sort of under the weather 417 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,680 has eaten in a few days. Please please please make 418 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,480 sure that they see their veterinarian. If it's one of 419 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,200 your cats, make sure you see your veterinarian asap. 420 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: In fact, i'd like to know you know it is. 421 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: Whenever we have these rare cases, we always wonder how 422 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:28,079 rare have any of our listeners had a cat or 423 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,119 known somebody with a cat that has either had fatty 424 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,799 liver syndrome. Is in the midst of about of fatty 425 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,920 liver syndrome and what the outcomes were. Was it positive? 426 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,079 Were the cats pulled through or was it negative? And 427 00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:47,680 unfortunately the cats weren't so lucky. So you can just 428 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:49,920 give us a call eight seven seven three eight five 429 00:21:50,079 --> 00:21:53,559 eight eight eight two. You can also go ahead and 430 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,240 send us an email to Drjef doctor Jeff at Petlife 431 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,240 Radio dot com or directly to my email which is 432 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:05,920 Dr Jeff, doctor Jeff at drgeff dot com, doctor Jeff 433 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,960 at Doctorjeff dot com. We'd like to hear from you 434 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,240 and anybody else you have, you know, coming to the holidays. 435 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,000 I want to know, let's get cute and too much 436 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:15,480 serious stuff for a half hour. What are you planning 437 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,279 to get your pets for the holidays. I want to 438 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:22,519 know how creative our gift givers are out there. Certainly, 439 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,720 certainly I would imagine your pets are not going to 440 00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:28,039 be left out. I mean I certainly know my pets 441 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,400 are not left out. And I want to know what 442 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,839 are types of cute things, fun things are you giving either. 443 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,599 Speaker 3: For your pets or how about this? How about some ideas? 444 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,079 Speaker 2: And it's great because that way we can pass some 445 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,920 ideas back and forth, because there I'm sure some people 446 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,039 sitting out there right now don't have a clue what 447 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,599 to get their pets. Or if you have friends or 448 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,680 family that are really major league into their pets, especially 449 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,319 if they don't have kids, you know that they're thinking 450 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:53,000 about something. 451 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: So, what do you give to someone who. 452 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,319 Speaker 2: Has pets for their pet or what type of gift 453 00:22:58,319 --> 00:23:01,519 do you give to a pet enthusiast, a pet lover 454 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,200 and insane crazy pet lover, especially one that doesn't have kids. 455 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,920 What might you think about getting them for the holidays? 456 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,720 I want to know how creative, what types of cool 457 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,640 things are out there? I know if you you know, 458 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,559 you can go online, you can watch some of these 459 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:19,319 pet shows. There are a lot of fun things out 460 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:21,720 there for your pets, things that and not only for 461 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:24,759 the pet, but things for the pet lover. How much 462 00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:27,519 fun can you have shopping on some of these catalogs 463 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:31,440 specific to pet lovers, to pet enthusiasts. I want to hear, 464 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:33,920 so you can certainly send in that info. 465 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:34,799 Speaker 3: I will share it. 466 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 2: If you don't want to call in, that's okay, that's okay. 467 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,319 I will share it with our listeners. You can send 468 00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:42,160 me the email to doctor Jeff at Petlife Radio dot com, 469 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,319 or just give us a call eight seven seven three 470 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,119 eight five eight eight A two. Remember remember that we 471 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,480 are not going to be here live next week. That 472 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:52,440 gives you an extra week to muster up the courage, 473 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:55,119 the guts to pick up that phone and share your 474 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,400 pet stories, give us a call, let us know how 475 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,759 things are going. So let's see, we're here now at 476 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:02,359 the two twell, two thursdays from now is the twenty six, 477 00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:04,160 that's going to be the day after Christmas. 478 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 3: That's perfect. That is perfect. 479 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: So by the day after Christmas, I expect I expect 480 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,440 a lot of phone calls from you, because I really 481 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,599 want to know how you did, how you fared with gifts, 482 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:17,640 what you did for your pets, what you did for 483 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,599 your friends pets, what you did for your friends that 484 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,160 have pets. And I think that'd be great, that'd be 485 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,680 fun things to share here on our show and ask 486 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,119 the vets with doctor Jeff, and also to just let 487 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,759 us know in pet Life Radio in fact that the 488 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:30,880 ideas are really good. 489 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: We can post some of these things. 490 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 2: On the website here at petlife radio dot com. So 491 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,240 I'm just trying to think before we go in about 492 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:42,640 the last minute, if there's anything else that has affected pets. 493 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,839 Remember ticks. Ticks like the winter, unlike flea. So if 494 00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:49,400 you live in cold parts of the country, ticks love 495 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,599 whated areas, I know you're going to be walking your dogs, 496 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:55,119 so take the necessary precautions, make sure you maintain tick control. 497 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,000 And another thing I know there are a lot of 498 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,599 places where snow is on the ground already. Keep in 499 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,319 mind that a lot of local municipalities do put some 500 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,960 either chemicals or salt on the ground to help melt 501 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,839 the snow, to keep the roads clear, to keep the 502 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,759 sidewalks clear, and these can be very very irritating to 503 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,200 your pets pads. 504 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,519 Speaker 3: Say that ten times fast to your pets pads. 505 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,279 Speaker 2: So very important to either every time you come back 506 00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:21,599 from a walk, wipe down your pets pads, wipe down 507 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,119 their feet and make sure you know there's no residue 508 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,960 of that salt. Or think about two things you can 509 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:31,680 actually accomplish two difficulties. Number one is just the ice 510 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:35,319 cold ground and the snow and the ice. And two 511 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,480 is the irritation from that which is placed on the 512 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:41,279 ground to melt that snow and ice. And that is 513 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,720 get them booties. There are really cool booties out there, lightweight, 514 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,400 some of them have great little rubber bottoms for good traction. 515 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:50,359 Most dogs will tolerate them very well. So what I 516 00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,440 recommend is getting some booties out there, and every time 517 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,599 you take your pet for a walk or for a 518 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,960 run during this time of year. Throw some booties on, 519 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,839 protect their feet, and I'll make them happy and comfortable. 520 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 3: So our time is up here. That's with doctor Jeff. 521 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 2: We will see you in two weeks, that's the twenty sixth, 522 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,559 the day after Christmas. I expect phone calls eight seven 523 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,839 seven three eight five eight eight eight two, And have 524 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,279 a wonderful week, a wonderful Christmas holiday, and we'll see 525 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,200 you back here on the twenty sixth. 526 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk pets every week on demand only on Petlife 527 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:37,279 Radio dot com.