Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What What's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects in this episode.
Speaker 2: I got myself and I got JJ Vance, not the
Speaker 2: Vice President. I got Heidi, and I got Jim the
Speaker 2: Ninja with me today. Uh. JJ, you want to let
Speaker 2: everybody know what's up and where they can find yourself
Speaker 2: if they haven't heard of you before. Oh, look like
Speaker 2: you might a froze.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I got some interwebs connectivity issues at the moment.
Speaker 3: My starlink Grimlin's reacting up. But as always, Nick, I
Speaker 3: appreciate the invite.
Speaker 4: Looking forward to the.
Speaker 3: Conversation scientology stuff. I'll run Hubbard stuff right riding my
Speaker 3: wheelhouse right. My ally said, I'm looking forward to that
Speaker 3: JJ Vance, host of Operation GCD, but more importantly not
Speaker 3: the vice president. Definitely looking forward to the conversation with
Speaker 3: Jen and Heidi. Is always great to see you fellow
Speaker 3: Occult Rejects and Glenn.
Speaker 5: Great great meeting. You're looking forward to the conversation absolutely.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, sir, and Jena Ninja. Let everybody
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Speaker 6: Thanks boss, mister Nudity three okay. So you can find
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Speaker 2: We awesome, Thank you very much, and I'll definitely include
Speaker 2: all your show notes in the bottom.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh so yeah, battlefield Battlefield Earth. That's what we're gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about, right, Yeah, yes, Unfortunately, I know that
Speaker 2: was one of kind of like this topic that Jen
Speaker 2: was really excited for and hopefully he'll make it back,
Speaker 2: but there he is. But yeah, and I do know
Speaker 2: that is associated with l Ron Hobart, so hence JJ
Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about some scientology and gin you
Speaker 2: made it back, Thank you very much. So I guess
Speaker 2: what made you? What made you? I guess what I
Speaker 2: want to ask first is like, what made you even
Speaker 2: cover that like, do you have a like scientology fascinate
Speaker 2: you like it does with us?
Speaker 8: Or so I have a morbid curiosity with things I
Speaker 8: know are bad, so I want I like reading like
Speaker 8: torturous tones of literature. Brothers Karramtsov like things like that.
Speaker 8: I love reading those because it is I'm a former
Speaker 8: marathon runner, so there's like this torturous element of like, wow,
Speaker 8: I never want to do that again. But then like
Speaker 8: two months later, you're like, think about my next one?
Speaker 8: And that was the end of the season one. I
Speaker 8: was like, We're gonna do Battlefield Earth. I was gonna
Speaker 8: get a big group of people together because I was
Speaker 8: always like, man, this became a movie, a failure of
Speaker 8: a movie, but a movie. And I looked at the
Speaker 8: book and I said, that thing is massive?
Speaker 4: What could possibly be in there?
Speaker 8: But then my morbid curiosity was like what if what
Speaker 8: if he has the sauce? Like what if that's like
Speaker 8: how el Ron Hubbard?
Speaker 4: I was like, maybe he's like a really good sauce.
Speaker 1: Sorry, oh I don't know, No, you don't want sauce
Speaker 1: with them?
Speaker 4: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that's true.
Speaker 8: L Ron Hubbard. Sauce is available. I've heard at times.
Speaker 8: I turned that down every time it was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 8: I agree, I agree there, yeah, but yeah, I was
Speaker 8: wondering if he had the uh gosh, I don't even
Speaker 8: know another word other than sauce, but if he was
Speaker 8: if you had the ability to persuade me through good
Speaker 8: right fighting. Short answer is no, he doesn't. It's one
Speaker 8: of the best producers produced audio books of all time.
Speaker 8: Though it is incredible if you listen to it on audible,
Speaker 8: the Scientology money behind it, that's awesome. I will say,
Speaker 8: like that was it is so cool and it's I think,
Speaker 8: like forty eight hours long, and I ended up hating it,
Speaker 8: like like really bad it was. We'll get into it,
Speaker 8: I guess, but it's it's so bad. And I then
Speaker 8: now I anybody who fell for Scientology is actually like
Speaker 8: way lower in my book of people that stuff.
Speaker 2: You're like, yo, you're really bullshit.
Speaker 5: You see Have you actually seen the movie?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean that was that was supposed to
Speaker 3: be the you know, the the all film of all films, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, this was a monumental effort by David Miscavage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know.
Speaker 8: I know Travolta had read it because I didn't realize
Speaker 8: how early Travolta like converted. I thought he converted in
Speaker 8: the nineties, but he had converted in like the late seventies.
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, I could be for nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 8: So he reads Battlefield Earth as a scientologist when it
Speaker 8: comes out, and he's like Star.
Speaker 4: Wars for Losers, I'm exactly.
Speaker 8: At some point, and it's like how long that stayed
Speaker 8: in his mind? And I will say, the book is
Speaker 8: more entertaining than the I'm sorry, the movie is more
Speaker 8: entertaining than the book.
Speaker 3: It's just not that good, right, right, Well they also
Speaker 3: Barry Pepper was supposed to be their next up and
Speaker 3: coming star in Scientology, right, So that's why he played
Speaker 3: opposite Travolta.
Speaker 5: In that film. And well he he, you know, he
Speaker 5: was a lead in a lot of films.
Speaker 3: He was just never really that charismatic, as you know,
Speaker 3: you have like Tom Cruise rolled even in l Ron
Speaker 3: or David Miscavitch because you know, he travolts to a
Speaker 3: certain extent. Although I've met him, He's got no charisma.
Speaker 3: That dude's a you know, a soul, an empty soul,
Speaker 3: an empty vessel, which is what you know, Hollywood likes.
Speaker 8: Yeah, actors, for the most part, I find out they
Speaker 8: have too many like opinions that I like, typically that
Speaker 8: it doesn't show up on the screen, So you have
Speaker 8: to be a blank canvas a little bit if you're
Speaker 8: any good at it.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, exactly. That's that's often what's described by a lot.
Speaker 8: Of the best actors, right, yeah, exactly, And now we
Speaker 8: want to know all of their thoughts now, which is
Speaker 8: it's a great combination for cinema.
Speaker 3: What's your opinion folks who believe in this weird ancient
Speaker 3: ally cargo cult scenarios of scientology, what's your opinion on modern.
Speaker 4: Day societal issues. Yeah, that's what I want to know. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8: Have the answers, yeah, exactly that the movie is is
Speaker 8: not good, But like I totally remember when I watched it,
Speaker 8: I was like.
Speaker 4: Wow, Barry Pepper, I forgot about Barry Pepper.
Speaker 8: He was in the six Billy Crystal sixty one movie
Speaker 8: about the Yankees.
Speaker 4: He was in Ryan I want to say, yeah.
Speaker 8: Anyway, because he has that like Millet old I mean
Speaker 8: not in Battlefield Earth. They give him some sweet gear
Speaker 8: to put on, but he had that like crew cut,
Speaker 8: like period piece military guy, but they kind of stopped
Speaker 8: making a lot of those movies and then therefore they
Speaker 8: didn't need him.
Speaker 3: He was also in a film called Knock Around Guys,
Speaker 3: which was interesting, wasn't all. It was like the late
Speaker 3: brat Pack if you will. From the eighties. It was
Speaker 3: the Diesel Barry Pepper, Seth Green, I'm missing somebody.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, oh my gosh. Last from the past.
Speaker 3: Well they yeah, they filmed that Montane was stationed there
Speaker 3: at the time. It was big news when they filmed
Speaker 3: that up there. So but the with Barry Pepper was
Speaker 3: also a not a star, but he was in the
Speaker 3: film a very scientology casted. In my opinion, Scientology produced
Speaker 3: film The Enemy of the State, and I think it
Speaker 3: was nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, Enemy of the State.
Speaker 3: So many scientologists in that film, and it's really it's
Speaker 3: really and it's really what you know, if you look
Speaker 3: at from a scientologist perspective, when they're not talking about
Speaker 3: these crazy alien tales and Battlefield Earth, their their current
Speaker 3: societal perspectives on long life here in America is the
Speaker 3: over reaching intrusion of government and religious functions and you know,
Speaker 3: in privacy functions, of personal life. So if you look
Speaker 3: at that whole film, that's really what the underlying concepts
Speaker 3: about is the evil government figures and nefarious actors within
Speaker 3: the government who were using these these uh spy apparatuses unlawfully.
Speaker 3: And that's nineteen ninety seven. So they make a good
Speaker 3: point occasionally, I like to say, a scientologists clock is right,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Twice a day, so just like an inn broken clock.
Speaker 5: So they got that one right. You know, they're right
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 3: But they were early on on that, on that fight,
Speaker 3: and that is what they they've been really focused on
Speaker 3: that sence the nearly noice. But it's again they want
Speaker 3: to do a lot of hood rat ships. They don't
Speaker 3: want the government spying on them. But I mean they
Speaker 3: make some good points in that argument.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, the what's his name, the like Tom Cruise,
Speaker 8: there's that viral clip that happens if Tom Cruise, uh
Speaker 8: like crapping on Big Pharma for like add Yeah, but
Speaker 8: what they don't show you is he's like scientology. All
Speaker 8: you got to do is put him in scientology, like
Speaker 8: we'll get read, we'll correct the add Because if what
Speaker 8: they do is they kind of you know, they act
Speaker 8: as a controlled opposition in a sense of to like, oh,
Speaker 8: you hate the government, so do we dude, like, come
Speaker 8: on over here anyway?
Speaker 5: Yeah, now you're tracking, Yeah, do you have dollars?
Speaker 1: They're not opposed to beating their members, so just ask
Speaker 1: miss Gabbage tracking.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Nick, this point a couple of episodes ago about how
Speaker 6: sometimes like conspiracy can be a little anti government in
Speaker 6: its formation. I'm not saying that the critiques aren't valid,
Speaker 6: but the sort of like the you know, its directionality
Speaker 6: is always one sided.
Speaker 5: Sure, I wondered JJ, No, go ahead.
Speaker 6: I just wondered a Travolta, since he converted so early,
Speaker 6: if he might have some process connections.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're going to get into that soon in Operation
Speaker 3: GCD here talking to some of those tales because it's
Speaker 3: funny how he I'm going to do an cult esoteric
Speaker 3: review that I have yet to invite you and you
Speaker 3: and Nick to to join me on yet. But so
Speaker 3: the film Devil's Reign starring William Shatner, Old Bill's got
Speaker 3: his Satanist connections and it's also got a young John
Speaker 3: Travolts in it. It's where he meets this other cast
Speaker 3: member who's a scientologist. She introduces him to scientology, and
Speaker 3: that's also role Johnny Boys is hanging out with Anton
Speaker 3: LeVay because he was the technical advisor on the film.
Speaker 2: WHOA, wow, that's a cru huh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got a nice picture together.
Speaker 3: Travolt is a lot less handsy with Anton Lavay that
Speaker 3: he tried to get with me, so what that means?
Speaker 2: But I mean he thought you were a better luck.
Speaker 7: Maybe he wanted to take you to the desert, saying.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm better looking than the Olevay there, I
Speaker 3: suppose in John's eyes.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that don't know if that's
Speaker 2: I don't know, if that's too a lot to.
Speaker 5: Do a though.
Speaker 7: J Yeah, he's not an attractive man.
Speaker 3: Yes either way, Yeah, either way, it doesn't matter. He's
Speaker 3: barking up the wrong tree.
Speaker 2: Jin's avatar is.
Speaker 3: It is interesting how much these people, of these folks
Speaker 3: have permeated Hollywood for a very long time. Like you
Speaker 3: were saying, that is the gonegoing narrative that kind of
Speaker 3: around the welcome back codter yours is when Travolta joins,
Speaker 3: But it's really much earlier, and they have a far
Speaker 3: greater grasp in Hollywood than I think I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of secret scientill just what I'm getting at.
Speaker 3: And then you have, as Jen was pointing out, the
Speaker 3: Process Church quote unquote offshoot, which I would call the
Speaker 3: dark wing of the the OSA Officer Guardian's Office. That's
Speaker 3: their main hood rat shit wing of scientology. The process
Speaker 3: would be their their dark wing side. It's started by
Speaker 3: former auditors, they worked at. One of them worked as
Speaker 3: an assistant to el Ron Hubbard in London back in
Speaker 3: sixty three. So it's a They have a lot of
Speaker 3: folks in Hollywood that are part of the process, none
Speaker 3: not the least of which is old Bob Cocaine Evans,
Speaker 3: legendary Hollywood film producer, So amongst many many others.
Speaker 5: I think, oh, go ahead and go ahead.
Speaker 1: Heidi, Oh, I was just saying, it makes sense if
Speaker 1: they're auditors because they have the secret so oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And friends with old hubs. Glenn, did I see you
Speaker 3: do a podcast there on Roman Polanski?
Speaker 4: No, with Roman Polanski, he came up, No, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: no yeah. And on that note of out of folks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
Speaker 8: I we talked about it fairly like like it was
Speaker 8: a fairly thing. I went through his films I love
Speaker 8: his movies.
Speaker 4: I mean I do.
Speaker 8: I love his films, and but I read his autobiography.
Speaker 8: It's insane like and it goes up to about eighty four. So, yes,
Speaker 8: the thing is mentioned in graphic detail, and he admits
Speaker 8: it in the Thing play by probably walks you through
Speaker 8: the interaction and then he's like, what's the big deal?
Speaker 4: Right, He's proud of it.
Speaker 3: He's proud of it, and he's he's heralded for by
Speaker 3: an element of Hollywood today. That's the kind of element
Speaker 3: we're talking about with this process.
Speaker 8: Everybody was allowing them to be like, Hey, the lighting's
Speaker 8: good to take pictures of that girl at my house
Speaker 8: over here if you want, like, you can use my house.
Speaker 4: We do this all the time. They it's it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And old Hobbs was into this activity. Old l
Speaker 3: Ron he had a team of young young girls and
Speaker 3: would walk around. One of them would hold his drink, one
Speaker 3: would hold his ash tray and hold a lighter, the
Speaker 3: other hold his cigarettes.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they had a whole network.
Speaker 6: Damn do we know how many. I'm just curious obviously,
Speaker 6: because he I'll do cabala in impress her.
Speaker 3: I'll have to get back to down some numbers here
Speaker 3: because it is interesting. So Leah Ramini would later pop
Speaker 3: up as a prominent scientologist and a similar capacity. So
Speaker 3: when she signed her billion year contract Honor about the
Speaker 3: age of eleven or twelve, she got a signed if
Speaker 3: I think remember correctly as Shelley, miss Gavage's little assistant.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she's got the same proclivities as
Speaker 3: l Run does, but I suppose missed her husband does knows.
Speaker 7: Where she is anymore since toss action.
Speaker 3: Yeah a, yeah, imagine that. Imagine you're a CEO of
Speaker 3: any other organization or company. You make your wife disappear
Speaker 3: and no one even bats an eye. Imagine Coca Cola
Speaker 3: CEO of Coca Cola is like, yeah, I no one
Speaker 3: seen my wife since you know, two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: and people know that's that's unfortunate, you know, but no
Speaker 3: one does.
Speaker 7: He only five foot one anyways, this.
Speaker 3: Is probably a small man. He's a small man, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: than shorter than Cruise.
Speaker 7: Wow, I'm not kidding. They say he's one.
Speaker 3: Cruise is a tiny fellow. He just likes to play
Speaker 3: a tall man who knows how to fight in films.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's good.
Speaker 1: At it.
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: I like watching him play a tall guy who knows
Speaker 3: how to fight, but he's neither a tall guy, and
Speaker 3: I highly suspect he does not know how to fight.
Speaker 1: He's got big teeth, he can bite, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely knows how to pilot.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 3: I saw a recent video of him on the new
Speaker 3: Mission Impossible. He's literally they got him strapped onto the
Speaker 3: wing of a biplane just one hundred and forty mile
Speaker 3: prior wins, just Tom cruising it up. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: this dude is a fucking lun It's like that's the
Speaker 3: you know, he really like, he really ruined it as
Speaker 3: the champion, as their poster boy when they early two
Speaker 3: thousands on his split from Scientology, so he left for
Speaker 3: a while. He left for almost a decade almost, I
Speaker 3: think it was about six eight years maybe something like that.
Speaker 4: What's your speculation on why he went back.
Speaker 5: It's a great question.
Speaker 3: They really apparently they really worked him, Misscavige and his assistant,
Speaker 3: Marty Rathsman, who then later left and became the biggest
Speaker 3: opponent of Scientology and now he's back a Misscavage is
Speaker 3: number two.
Speaker 4: So these folks, they just play both sides, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 3: And Remini might be doing the same thing because, like
Speaker 3: I said, she was in close with Shelley Miss Savage.
Speaker 3: That's she's the one who filed the missing person's report
Speaker 3: about Chilly Miss Sabbage. Because and I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: they're cluding or nothing, but because she was clearly friends
Speaker 3: with a woman. You know, she got herself in trouble
Speaker 3: asking about it for whereabouts you know, according to Rontail,
Speaker 3: which I'm willing to believe.
Speaker 4: But because these folks is hot.
Speaker 3: He was saying, you're you know, they like to beat
Speaker 3: their membership, I mean, if not physically, which they do,
Speaker 3: and they're known for that mentally because uh, when Ramini
Speaker 3: asked for Shelley Miss Scavage was apparently they like, you
Speaker 3: need some auditing. You're gonna need a sect check, we
Speaker 3: need a sex check. You check audit with leather belt. Yeah,
Speaker 3: were streak in a room for like twelve fourteen hours
Speaker 3: a day, holding them damn cans, answering questions for a
Speaker 3: couple of days straight.
Speaker 5: That'll do some wonders to your psyche for sure.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, is there like some blackmail? I mean, is
Speaker 8: there do they they have like a traditional blackmail network.
Speaker 8: Cause that's what I'm getting at with Tom Cruisey. That's reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's all blackmail. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 3: I was. Well, that's what I was.
Speaker 2: I mean right then and there.
Speaker 3: Then they write it down, They write it down and
Speaker 3: the videotape and they have libraries of these things.
Speaker 2: I mean, like before Epstein, they just weren't like they
Speaker 2: didn't catch you having sex with ship there, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like they were still blackmailing.
Speaker 3: Here sure, or they were getting the secrets. So and
Speaker 3: for I mean, you got some powerful people adding on.
Speaker 3: Koshogi was a scientific did scientology stuff. Robert Maxwell, you
Speaker 3: know the name I can't remember, but his son started MTV.
Speaker 1: With Mormons too.
Speaker 3: Yep, and Trump a lot of weird, weird badfellas there, huh.
Speaker 3: But the U with the scientology stuff, like you know
Speaker 3: where meet he's up there, high up. And then now
Speaker 3: today she's you know, their biggest opponent. But if you
Speaker 3: go on our website, she wants you to donate to
Speaker 3: the Best Friends Animal Society. That's the processed church of
Speaker 3: the final judgment. So what side does she play on?
Speaker 7: Whoever pays her the most, so.
Speaker 3: I almost view it as she's she's working a coup
Speaker 3: against Hubbard.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Misscabage.
Speaker 3: Misscabage pulled it and his crew that that Marty Rathburn
Speaker 3: guy and a couple other fellas. They pulled a coup
Speaker 3: against the folks Hubbard put in charge.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: They tossed his office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they tossed his office and threw him out, and
Speaker 1: he said he had all the secrets. And then they
Speaker 1: went in when he went out of town somewhere and
Speaker 1: looked for everything and then tossed him out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he supposedly he handed he handed the church
Speaker 3: off to somebody else. This married couple was like, I
Speaker 3: can't think of their names of the moment, but the.
Speaker 1: Boat people, yeah, the boat people, I can't remember it either, but.
Speaker 3: It was Missavage and his young crew. They were all
Speaker 3: like twenty five, twenty to twenty eight year olds. They
Speaker 3: all ran a coup. So it seems like a different coup.
Speaker 3: They're all trying to get Misscabage out of his power,
Speaker 3: and maybe that's why Marty Rathman went back.
Speaker 2: Who knows, but just so people just trying to take
Speaker 2: the shit over with.
Speaker 3: It's all about Yeah, it's all it's all a bunch of me.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a magical space navy, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: what do you expect.
Speaker 4: A magical space?
Speaker 7: It is was ZENI with the helm.
Speaker 4: Outfits run around.
Speaker 1: You know. Hubbard had to do that because he needed
Speaker 1: something to make him look better.
Speaker 7: Uniform helps a little bit.
Speaker 6: It's fair tuning in. You could say that, like you
Speaker 6: could say it's like very related to hoke mom, like
Speaker 6: sailing on the primordial waters above.
Speaker 2: The Abyss even even think about it. Even in a
Speaker 2: Crowley's Rush they talk about the great barge in the sky.
Speaker 2: I mean you even have like boat sits in there.
Speaker 2: And he was friends with.
Speaker 8: He's big friends, big time friends with Crowley. It was
Speaker 8: not just like here and there saw the guy like
Speaker 8: they were legit. I mean Hobbard straight up said he
Speaker 8: was the anti Christ for a while, like like himself,
Speaker 8: he would just be like, I'm the anti Christ. But
Speaker 8: it's also they don't believe in any of that stuff,
Speaker 8: so it's like they're just it was using it as
Speaker 8: this kind of like none of this matters. What I'm
Speaker 8: doing is opposing something that's not real. I'm the only
Speaker 8: real thing, which is really scary to me.
Speaker 4: I don't know by betray.
Speaker 7: You, betray you or the anti Christ.
Speaker 1: For a time, I read that same thing and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, the never ending story.
Speaker 6: So it's like an of the Theosophical Yeah, no, you're right,
Speaker 6: but it's like the inversion of the theosophical Matreya, which
Speaker 6: they take for Buddhism. So it's not even like a
Speaker 6: real it's not even the simulkrav the original thing, but
Speaker 6: it's obviously the inversion of theosophy. So I think that's
Speaker 6: really interesting because when you read when you read liber
Speaker 6: forty nine, it it is drawing from a like original
Speaker 6: NaSTA toaxtic. It's very obvious, but they do invert it.
Speaker 6: But I also think there's an implication that's just my opinion,
Speaker 6: but I do implication that you're not supposed to take
Speaker 6: it literal, Like I think that's l Ron's thing, Like
Speaker 6: I thought. I think he started to buy into his
Speaker 6: own bullshit later in the sixties, but I think even
Speaker 6: earlier he kind of was like, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 6: do para fiction before that was even an idea. He's like,
Speaker 6: I'm going to create like a Mormon story, Like I'm
Speaker 6: going to do. You know, I'm not saying that Mormonism
Speaker 6: as is as science fiction as that, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't know the planet.
Speaker 8: Will it's not less, it's not less exactly, And they
Speaker 8: Hubbard gets into the Supreme Being.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, okay.
Speaker 5: Well, hy do you have to have a galactic go overlord.
Speaker 4: Of space?
Speaker 3: Operative is that if you don't have a galactic go overlord,
Speaker 3: you need an antagonist?
Speaker 1: So true.
Speaker 2: One thing is this a book that do they push
Speaker 2: this book onto their members or something to.
Speaker 3: Buy the battle.
Speaker 2: So they're probably even making a killing off that book too.
Speaker 5: So oh, just what you want to hear?
Speaker 4: A tax game you're running.
Speaker 3: They got the publishing house for not only all the
Speaker 3: religious texts that they push on their on their membership,
Speaker 3: they got they got the sci fi writers publishing house
Speaker 3: underneath the church umbrella for tax free status. So every
Speaker 3: copy of Battlefield Earth that anyone purchases, so that's tax free. Frint,
Speaker 3: that's under the religious sanctions of Xenu.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna piss everybody off and leave it in one
Speaker 8: of those like community little mailbox libraries out there so
Speaker 8: they cannot get it. Really I'm already sad that I
Speaker 8: gave them some money, uh, because I is that?
Speaker 4: What's that?
Speaker 5: How wild is it they can pull that kind of scame?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's this is all that's obviously a for
Speaker 3: profit science fiction book.
Speaker 4: There's nothing religious about it. You know. That's the dumbest
Speaker 4: part about it. The dumbest thing.
Speaker 8: About it is the is the whole, like is the whole?
Speaker 8: This is anti government. You're doing the most like bureaucratic
Speaker 8: bullshit of all time.
Speaker 4: Like within a thing.
Speaker 8: But you just the fact that it's independent from a
Speaker 8: state run organization, which they've infiltrated all that, so it
Speaker 8: doesn't really they're all these entertainer I guarantee you that,
Speaker 8: I entertainment lawyers, every sort of thing technical everywhere.
Speaker 7: But it's like you're just now that does sound Mormon?
Speaker 5: Yeah, very Mormon.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The corporate structure of it too, right Heidi.
Speaker 7: Oh, of course definitely.
Speaker 6: And as we always say, like the corporate when you
Speaker 6: apply the bureaucracy to institutions, that's that's what Larias said
Speaker 6: was a klipa. So you are creating the tree of
Speaker 6: death within the institution by applying bureaucracy to it. So
Speaker 6: it's kind of a very interesting idea. And I just
Speaker 6: want to say I think al Ron was actually aware
Speaker 6: of that. I don't think he was like a I
Speaker 6: don't think he was like a Crowley level. You know,
Speaker 6: Nick calls him like the Oculo genius. I'm going to
Speaker 6: tease him, but I don't think he was like Oculled genius.
Speaker 6: But I think he was. He was knowledgeable, he was
Speaker 6: a magician. He kind of he understood what regardless of
Speaker 6: what happened in the desert, regardless of that, I think
Speaker 6: that he he understood some things, had some degree of understanding,
Speaker 6: not maybe Howard Hughes.
Speaker 2: Level, But.
Speaker 3: I think that's one thing that really this magical aspect
Speaker 3: of scientology helps it permonate, permeate throughout our culture. Cause
Speaker 3: it's it's fucking everywhere. I'm not gonna lie to you,
Speaker 3: it's it's a mess. There's so many secret scientologists.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I can write a off some names right now and
Speaker 3: you'll be like, whoa that dude to scientologists? That due
Speaker 3: to scientologists. I don't know if that's really productive. All
Speaker 3: just do one key and Ivory Wayne, you'd be like, WHOA,
Speaker 3: that dude's a scientologists Yeah, he left one. He left
Speaker 3: one ancient alien cargo cult, went to another. He grew
Speaker 3: up with Jehovah's Witness.
Speaker 7: Oh major pay then it might have been better, right.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're kind of the same thing. They're really much in
Speaker 3: the same boat, right. They're apocalyptic, they do the alien
Speaker 3: stuff they do.
Speaker 8: I think it's quite easy for a guy like that
Speaker 8: to to switch up because Jehovah's Witness isn't going to
Speaker 8: get you auditions and roles. Scientology will get you auditions
Speaker 8: and roles. You know what I'm saying, Like, like, I
Speaker 8: totally again, it's like, well, I already believe in Let's
Speaker 8: say I'm a Jehovah's Witness, and they're like, hey, look,
Speaker 8: I'm not trying to be mad at you, but like
Speaker 8: we can give you like the same soundatisfaction of this
Speaker 8: deep space knowledge thing, and we can get you a
Speaker 8: role in like House Party three.
Speaker 4: And they're like, oh my gosh, yeah the House Party four.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, definite, Actually, definitely, definitely there's no maybes in Scientology.
Speaker 4: We are getting keenan. Yeah, they definitely.
Speaker 3: They definitely have the The marketing departments are good, they're
Speaker 3: you know, they're real good about all that they're infiltration
Speaker 3: of governments, real good.
Speaker 5: So imagine this imagine scenario you get.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying any one of you all here, but
Speaker 3: imagine an individual gets popped for just a minor drug
Speaker 3: violation in any many jurisdiction is roughly seventy percent of America.
Speaker 4: They cover this with this program narking.
Speaker 3: On and stay funded taxpayer funded programs mandated by.
Speaker 5: The court for minor drug offenses for drug rehab.
Speaker 3: So imagine get popped in one of these scenarios a
Speaker 3: little bit of drugs or with a pod or whatever,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: And you're you can get assigned by the court.
Speaker 3: Instead of going to prison or paying a fine, you
Speaker 3: go to rehab to this narcan on program right again,
Speaker 3: you pay a small fee of the state's really funding
Speaker 3: all of it, right and uh, you know, you get
Speaker 3: they suddenly give you a bunch of vitamins or sitting
Speaker 3: in some sognas. Next thing you know, you're a scientologist
Speaker 3: because they just gave you a rundown because narcanon was
Speaker 3: invented by scientology, and they give you scientology protocols when
Speaker 3: you go in there for drug rehab because this anti
Speaker 3: drug stuff right, So that's.
Speaker 4: A very scary element.
Speaker 3: Then you look at folks like RFK, who actually started
Speaker 3: an anti drug nonprofit with a scientologist and is very
Speaker 3: much is represented the scientology and court and these these
Speaker 3: drug matters as well. So he's very much on that
Speaker 3: same team, that same viewpoint of these same kind of drugs.
Speaker 3: So when he's he's trying to remove I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: not opposed to moving dies and stuff from food and whatnot.
Speaker 5: But like it's it's what we were saying before. They're
Speaker 5: they're glenning about it.
Speaker 3: It's that's that's you know, that's you know, they come
Speaker 3: at you with a shamul on twist there with some
Speaker 3: other you know, other things that are really after sm
Speaker 3: other motives, ulterier motives are really after with this, with
Speaker 3: these efforts, because really all they're trying to do is
Speaker 3: make everybody scientologists.
Speaker 8: Yeah, partially, it's partially like a like a like a
Speaker 8: the at least the illusion of a patronage network, right
Speaker 8: where it's like, hey, we'll get you this.
Speaker 4: This is what you try.
Speaker 8: It's a deal with it's a bureaucratic deal with the
Speaker 8: devil essentially, right, It's like I would do anything for this, like, oh,
Speaker 8: anything sounds good. You know, we'll let you do this
Speaker 8: one thing. We'll put some money behind it. We'll do whatever.
Speaker 8: We'll we'll help you advertise, we'll do all of this.
Speaker 8: We just need X, Y and Z from you.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: And and it's usually out. The scale is not quite balanced,
Speaker 8: I would think.
Speaker 1: And then they got rid of both their wives. Oh wait, sorry, no, it's.
Speaker 5: Uh, you know.
Speaker 3: And when I say, they permeate everything. So you know,
Speaker 3: if you go to Hollywood, if you want to be
Speaker 3: a young.
Speaker 5: Actor, there's a famous school in Hollywood Boulevard run by
Speaker 5: an infamous scientologist. He'll try to sign you up when
Speaker 5: you go there. So that's where a lot of folks
Speaker 5: get signed up real early.
Speaker 3: And as far as the blackmail operations go within that community,
Speaker 3: Richard gear felt victim to that, it seems, and been
Speaker 3: in the late eighties early nineties. It seems when he
Speaker 3: partoned ways with Scientology and across America, rumor grew long.
Speaker 3: This is how good they're they're marketing and network in
Speaker 3: their network of communications. Is because I think they're scientologists
Speaker 3: are the ones who spread that rumor, and there was
Speaker 3: something out of their little books from the auditing session
Speaker 3: of Richard Gear, and that was he shoves gerbils off.
Speaker 5: But now I don't know that's accurate, you know, I
Speaker 5: mean if you ever told them that.
Speaker 3: But I do believe scientology is some many of that
Speaker 3: that message at least because that things spread everywhere.
Speaker 7: Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, let me let me wink.
Speaker 8: South Park episode is like based off Richard Gear. I
Speaker 8: mean it's just like.
Speaker 5: Oh, they did a south Park episode.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah they did.
Speaker 8: They did a south Park episode of the hamster inside.
Speaker 8: I don't think it's Richard Gear, but it's basically a
Speaker 8: famous person and it's uh, it's a clout crawling through
Speaker 8: and it's a it's a quest of an.
Speaker 4: Hear almost a hero's journey of a hamster. Let me win.
Speaker 8: The digestive tract of I'm not an anatomy guy. But yeah,
Speaker 8: that's that's where it was.
Speaker 7: Not good, never good. That's a bad day.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because you wonder how many, like how many This
Speaker 8: is pure speculation, of course, but how many Hollywood rumors?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 8: All the stuff you hear about are just from like scientology,
Speaker 8: you know, experiments are just like oh yeah, and at
Speaker 8: twelve hours, forty three minutes, eighteen seconds. They do talk
Speaker 8: about the Gerbil going up his ass. Go please release that. Now,
Speaker 8: we did not get paid. You did not get the
Speaker 8: latest on hundred thousand dollars payment from Richard Gear, So
Speaker 8: release the Gerbil manifest.
Speaker 4: It's worse than that.
Speaker 3: If you don't come in for your regular meetings and
Speaker 3: sex checks and you know, auditing sessions every week, that's
Speaker 3: when you get put on the list.
Speaker 4: They'll start.
Speaker 3: That's probably when they started to we'll start in on
Speaker 3: the list. If he doesn't come in this week, next week,
Speaker 3: we'll we'll scale it up a bit.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 8: Imagine that reading with your agent and your agent's like, Richard,
Speaker 8: what's going on here?
Speaker 4: And he's like, oh what, it's not true? Of course. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're like it.
Speaker 7: Was twelve hours.
Speaker 1: Haven't you heard of those people that get like grilled
Speaker 1: with cops and they're like, I did the murder. He
Speaker 1: just made something up, so they quit it.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true. Maybe it's something far worse. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure he gets dark. And some of
Speaker 3: them scientilogists out in auditing books and politics, you know,
Speaker 3: they had Sonny Bono his entire Congressional office there before
Speaker 3: he skied down their mountain the wrong way headed tree apparently,
Speaker 3: which I don't believe that story.
Speaker 4: He was a lot.
Speaker 3: He was a long time scientologist, danding back to the
Speaker 3: sixties and he was in government.
Speaker 7: Wife's missing kids dying all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, married to Share there. So they worked for Phil Spector.
Speaker 3: He was kind of the uh postage church head of
Speaker 3: the musical scene in Laurel Canyon, right Wall of Sound, right, Sharon,
Speaker 3: That's where Sonny and Share got their start, was Phil Spector.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he was. He was a scientologist back then.
Speaker 3: That's about by the same time she raped Anthony Ketis
Speaker 3: of uh of red Hell Chili Peppers when he was
Speaker 3: like I think he claims to be eleven when that happened.
Speaker 5: He grew up in Laurel Canyon. His father was an actor.
Speaker 5: He was in that same scene.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So jjus about this before Wall of Sound
Speaker 6: because I know Phil Spectr obviously you talk about.
Speaker 2: Him a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a crazy right.
Speaker 6: I personally think that they borrowed Wall of Sound, not
Speaker 6: just from Esslyn and Barbara marks huvering all that, but
Speaker 6: I actually think they took it from tntra, there's something
Speaker 6: decoherent about it. Decoherent is the Pink Ray. I know,
Speaker 6: I'll at least for three of you have heard me
Speaker 6: talk about that. So I think there's something that they
Speaker 6: think that the sound in decoherence can produce magical experiences
Speaker 6: or maybe auditory and visual hallucinations.
Speaker 5: Quote.
Speaker 6: I'm using air quotes, but obviously you can't see, but
Speaker 6: I can't say it's air quotes. Yeah, So I think
Speaker 6: that that's what the wall of sound is because this
Speaker 6: would make sense for a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 6: Heidi talked about in the series with me, but also
Speaker 6: what you talk about JJB and like the sex sort
Speaker 6: of magic stuff from four.
Speaker 3: PY Yeah, four buys, tantric sex, magictual, Buddhist, tntra, Cali worshiping, ritual,
Speaker 3: homicidal death cult. That's a lot of words, but they're
Speaker 3: a bunch.
Speaker 4: That's like a red hot pers that's a red hot
Speaker 4: Chilli Peppers album.
Speaker 5: Time like Blood Sugar, Sex Magic exactly. Wasn't that produced?
Speaker 5: Wasn't that produced by Rick Rubin? Oh? It was?
Speaker 4: It was you know, you know what you know the
Speaker 4: album he produced right after that, The process.
Speaker 3: It's an album based on the processed Church with a band,
Speaker 3: Skinny puppy.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 3: So you got Thelma, you got an I'll shoot of
Speaker 3: the Lima with the process. I mean, Rick Rubin's in
Speaker 3: deep with He's also very close with Jack Nichols. Nicholson
Speaker 3: who's a big, big time you know, plant skin him
Speaker 3: both big time and Cocaine Bob.
Speaker 5: There were there were a trio there, Cocaine Bob. I'm
Speaker 5: not sure if you saw in the book and they
Speaker 5: mentioned that book, you're mentioned about their cocaine Bob came
Speaker 5: in for the cleanup crew on that operation. You know
Speaker 5: the break thing is what I meant.
Speaker 4: Damn, that was Bob you're talking about Bob Evans. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: he came in for the Yeah, they all did Chinatown
Speaker 4: together there, and I mean he was high up at Paramount.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, big time.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: I didn't tell he's the one who hired Polanski their
Speaker 3: first little project there. That's saying this ship show of
Speaker 3: Rose Murray's baby. Yeah, oh yeah, Anton LeVay was there,
Speaker 3: of course, Sam Sammy Davis was there.
Speaker 5: He was in it.
Speaker 8: Oh that's all that makes sense because yeah, Bob Evan,
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, that's that's not just some like quiet
Speaker 8: actor and I arn some quiet guy in Hollywood. Him
Speaker 8: he's like everywhere any seventies cinema, like he's he's a part.
Speaker 3: He was, he was a part of I mean, he
Speaker 3: was it till the end. Man he's uh, he's he
Speaker 3: is Hollywood.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 5: In fact, when are you familiar with the film.
Speaker 4: Wagged the Dog?
Speaker 3: Yes, so you know the Dustin Hoffman character in there.
Speaker 3: That's the satirical representationable cocaine.
Speaker 4: Bob ah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: So he went, Bob went to the premiere and he
Speaker 3: walked out and they said, what do you what do
Speaker 3: you think of the film? And he said, I thought
Speaker 3: I looked great in it. That's pretty I mean, he
Speaker 3: made Hoffman's career. He made so many of those folks careers.
Speaker 3: He made Hoffman's career. Hoffman was associated with the Weather Underground.
Speaker 4: That's that's a topic not often discussed.
Speaker 5: I don't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that he lived Uh well, I mean when I
Speaker 3: say associate with he he had all least social associations
Speaker 3: with him, whether or not he was a member. He
Speaker 3: lived next door to them there in Greenwich Village, in
Speaker 3: that townhouse they blew up.
Speaker 4: And that they were the Patty Hurst people.
Speaker 3: They were associated with the Patty Hurst eventually, yeah, they
Speaker 3: they were the folks Bill Ayers burned that dorn Uh.
Speaker 3: Their adopted son is the guy that was the recent
Speaker 3: DA of San Francisco, Chase Boudine.
Speaker 8: He's the one that that's let everybody shop on the sidewalks.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, no, I'm I'm not far from there. It's
Speaker 8: I can I can smell it.
Speaker 4: Oh, he used to be a lovely city.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed that place.
Speaker 3: And then uh, last few times I went there, I
Speaker 3: so much shit on the sidewalks.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: No, you're one hundred percent. But literally, I know, my
Speaker 8: wife and I just went there two weeks ago. We
Speaker 8: had fun and then like you walked down the mission,
Speaker 8: you're just like, oh, that's not pit bullshit either, Like
Speaker 8: you just know it's it's pressure washed, you know, but
Speaker 8: like still not really, you know, it's still there.
Speaker 5: Yeah it's bad, but yeah, I mean, the uh even
Speaker 5: the weather underground.
Speaker 3: I argue they're an off shoot of the process really
Speaker 3: because I mean their leaders venerate the process and process
Speaker 3: members like Charles Manson, Sir Hans Sir Han both the
Speaker 3: leaders chase it Bernadette Dorn and Bill Airs both venerate them.
Speaker 3: You know, the two things I tell folks to understand
Speaker 3: about the weather Underground is, you know, the shit sidewalks
Speaker 3: and also this on the fact that they all they
Speaker 3: all skirt they all skirt charges, even the ones that
Speaker 3: go to prison will ultimately get out skirt charges right,
Speaker 3: even if they get jammed up, like for example, Susan
Speaker 3: Rosenberg actually blew up the US Capitol Building. Forget January sixth,
Speaker 3: This lady actually blew up bombs in the US Capitol
Speaker 3: Building in the early eighties, maybe eighty three, maybe sir
Speaker 3: k eighty three. Bill Clinton commuter sentence was the way
Speaker 3: out office, last last hour. And then fast forward to
Speaker 3: the Summer of Love twenty twenty, the summer of the
Speaker 3: Lord and save George Floyd. And he if you donated
Speaker 3: money to that George Floyd caused would blm. It actually
Speaker 3: went to a company named Act Blue at non quote
Speaker 3: un I'll actually get a new air quotes here, nonprofit.
Speaker 4: Called ActBlue. The treasurer for Act Blue.
Speaker 3: Susan Rosenberg weather underground bomber of US Capital. Their folks
Speaker 3: venerate the process, and the process again is the dark
Speaker 3: winging of the scientology left. So Ed Sanders have authored
Speaker 3: The Family of the you know, the the Good Book,
Speaker 3: the first book they're written on Charles Manson.
Speaker 5: Situation at the Bugleiosi bullshit.
Speaker 3: Sanders was right his At the same time he in
Speaker 3: his files he scribbled a note on one of his
Speaker 3: folders which I find to be the funniest thing ever,
Speaker 3: especially in the ship that I look into like these matters.
Speaker 3: He wrote, the process church people are everywhere, and I
Speaker 3: tend to agree.
Speaker 6: I want to say, JJ, this actually makes the chaos
Speaker 6: magicians of the late eighties look good. Like all these
Speaker 6: things you're saying, like that the Scordians through it all
Speaker 6: into chaos. It does kind of make them justified. It
Speaker 6: does kind of seem to me. I'm just maybe I'm
Speaker 6: saying this to be a little you know, edgy edge lordie,
Speaker 6: but I do think that might be true actually, because
Speaker 6: you know, if everyone kind of takes the material then
Speaker 6: they don't, then it's not just owned by the process.
Speaker 6: It's not just owned by these like.
Speaker 5: Sure, you know that's precisely right.
Speaker 3: It's a dissemination of all the liability of it through
Speaker 3: different offshoots, but it's still one organization.
Speaker 1: And how many of them are secretly conjoined with other religions,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 6: As secret chief is. That's what a secret chief really is, right,
Speaker 6: It's the person who's the go between between orders. Like
Speaker 6: we spoke with someone who may or may not be
Speaker 6: affiliated with those higher orders the other day, Nick and I, well,
Speaker 6: Nick invited me to speak with his friend. So I
Speaker 6: think that's what it is. It's someone who goes between
Speaker 6: someone who selects adepts are I don't know, they think
Speaker 6: that will be to do well in their system. That's
Speaker 6: what I think. And I think all theosophy is talking
Speaker 6: about that. I don't think it's talking about ascended masters
Speaker 6: at all. Maybe people like in the Solar Temple that
Speaker 6: are pretending or like a plug in electric sar. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not saying they're not magicians. I'm just
Speaker 6: saying that the external presentation is more stage magic, which
Speaker 6: is also something that some magicians do like to do.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, what covers your tracks?
Speaker 1: If you want to do some really screwed up stuff,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can just be like I was just entertaining.
Speaker 4: Wasn't's whole career based off that?
Speaker 2: Who you know, he was kind of think J. J.
Speaker 2: Vance is really maybe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was LARPing, right, Is that what we're saying?
Speaker 5: He was kind of LARPing as a magician.
Speaker 2: I mean I think it was. I think he was
Speaker 2: in a cult is playing okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: There was rumors that they he would get people to
Speaker 8: like close their eyes and then he would go like
Speaker 8: handle some ship real fast and then come back and
Speaker 8: be like, oh yeah this thing it turned into a
Speaker 8: stapler you know or what. I don't know, whatever the
Speaker 8: but like, yeah, there whether he was, but he might
Speaker 8: have been doing actual stuff in his LARPing, you know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, Like you can, I can larp and
Speaker 8: read you know, Satanic scripture. I'm still putting that energy
Speaker 8: out in the world, you know what I mean, even
Speaker 8: if I don't believe it.
Speaker 3: I like the idea if he's doing some cold ship,
Speaker 3: but he's doing it under this kind of guys of
Speaker 3: a performance art of the state magician. I like that idea.
Speaker 3: He was very intelligent man, and his death makes no sense.
Speaker 5: It's all bullshit. That old sort of his death is bullshit.
Speaker 9: Laurel, Laurel, because when we did recorded with Migul for
Speaker 9: me on bites, like on the Elvis episode, we talked
Speaker 9: about this, like how there is kind of a dialectical
Speaker 9: reciprocity between like a performer and the audience and if
Speaker 9: the you know, if the.
Speaker 6: Performers tapped in like we were saying Elvis was topped in.
Speaker 6: He got it right. He was like a he thought
Speaker 6: he was like a Hyperborean Friends or whatever. So he
Speaker 6: was like the you know, Home Rising Hermes whatever.
Speaker 5: So I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say Elvis was a process member, Jim,
Speaker 3: but he definitely knew the US process.
Speaker 6: I knew, right.
Speaker 3: I went way deeper since that conversation, I'm like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, what the hell is going on here with
Speaker 3: this Manson situation with Elvis?
Speaker 7: We need to do a backup.
Speaker 4: On that one.
Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, I really would have liked to have I
Speaker 2: even said that with Julia. I said, I really would
Speaker 2: have liked to have maybe covered some more of Elvis,
Speaker 2: but not in the same way that episode was done, because,
Speaker 2: if anything, I think it gave us more amo to
Speaker 2: look in different areas about the guy.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, dude, I had no idea as much stuff I
Speaker 3: woked into Elvis as.
Speaker 2: As I heard that Manson shit, I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, how have I never, like, because I
Speaker 3: know a logic about Elvis wasn't a lodge about Manson,
Speaker 3: But I was like, how have I never.
Speaker 2: Just even me as an ocultist, if somebody asked me
Speaker 2: to do that job, ask me in a year, I
Speaker 2: show up in three days. Everybody's gonna think regardless that
Speaker 2: I'm fucking involved with your people, Like just keep it real,
Speaker 2: Like it's just kind of like you're gonna look bad
Speaker 2: doing that, you know, And if you still need somebody
Speaker 2: to come by the house, ask me in a year.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'll change my mind, but no, not right now.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: If I may put two book cands in our In
Speaker 3: our last few minutes conversations here, folks, I wanted to
Speaker 3: point out the Laurel Canyon Houdini Home owned by Rick
Speaker 3: Rubin and or at least has been owned by Rick
Speaker 3: Rubin in recent years, and uh, the the guess what
Speaker 3: I'm getting at with all these kind of connections with
Speaker 3: all these people process, scientology, politics, music, Hollywood, right, like
Speaker 3: the fact that these it seems that the process people
Speaker 3: are indeed everywhere, it's not so it's it's fun to
Speaker 3: make fun of these battle for the earth and they're
Speaker 3: kind of their space opera philosophies.
Speaker 5: But apardon me, well, there we go. And uh, but
Speaker 5: it's also noticed to notice these folks.
Speaker 3: Are very they seem to wield an innumerable amount of power, right,
Speaker 3: So like you know, they're getting in places, they're infiltrating places,
Speaker 3: they're doing things, they're getting government funding from narc and
Speaker 3: on programs, et cetera. Their running programs all the time
Speaker 3: doing lord.
Speaker 4: Knows what else.
Speaker 5: But it's you know, back to that Bill's Bill Air guy.
Speaker 4: As far as power goes, right, Bill Airs.
Speaker 3: In the Weather Underground, these folks skirting charges and whatnot,
Speaker 3: waging political warfare in this in this nation, seeming to
Speaker 3: give their Marxist values that they espouse. You know, scientology
Speaker 3: generally speaking is largely conservative, but you look at the process.
Speaker 3: They were Marxists, and you know, there are some some
Speaker 3: kind of variations in some of the political views of
Speaker 3: think in these groups. But you know, nonetheless, I think
Speaker 3: there's still one organization. They just you know, have varying
Speaker 3: views and these factions perhaps as it works. But Bill
Speaker 3: Air is there in the Weather Underground, which I said,
Speaker 3: may in fact be an offshoot. It seems of the process,
Speaker 3: a lot of evidence of that. I'm boarding folks with
Speaker 3: the day in the details, but will certainly be diving
Speaker 3: into in the future and Operation GCD next process show
Speaker 3: the Bill Ayers, this is the kind of power I'm
Speaker 3: talking about. Bill Air is the son of the head
Speaker 3: of the Chicago Light and Power Company, you know, the
Speaker 3: chairman of the board.
Speaker 5: They're a huge wealthy family.
Speaker 3: He you know, went on a bombing parade, of bombing
Speaker 3: all these domestic terrorism stuff for many years and whatnot.
Speaker 4: You know, some of his folks.
Speaker 3: Got wrapped up with that two Pakshakurs folks, and that
Speaker 3: and that shooting, the Brinks armory, the Brink truck armory
Speaker 3: robbery in New York.
Speaker 4: Clinton has what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: And on September eleventh, two thousand and one, on the
Speaker 3: front page of the New York Times, there's an editorial
Speaker 3: printed by Bill Ayers and the opening line is, I
Speaker 3: wish I would have blown up more buildings.
Speaker 4: That's the level of power.
Speaker 3: That I'm talking about with the weather underground, Bill Airs,
Speaker 3: the process and the scientology folks generally, yeah, because that.
Speaker 4: Shit ain't a coincidence.
Speaker 3: That's the Thlee mc ritchell and we're talking about Athleen
Speaker 3: mcoff shoot cult ahead of which printing that on an
Speaker 3: editorial you know, he can write it all day long.
Speaker 5: Who printed that?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 3: What was the forethought planning and procedures around getting that printed?
Speaker 6: Well, that's well, that's what made me interested in the
Speaker 6: book is because it's like what system is he using?
Speaker 6: Like can you map it to one of the Talima offshoots?
Speaker 6: That's kind of like even I think one of the
Speaker 6: ideas I had coming into the episode was like is
Speaker 6: that can you look at it? Can you see the guy?
Speaker 6: But you can map different tendencies onto the tree, right,
Speaker 6: So it would make sense if he was approaching it
Speaker 6: like I want to tell this story and he's putting
Speaker 6: his like telemic. It's like the underlying language, it's the
Speaker 6: Twilight language, but the overtop is like the sci fi layer.
Speaker 6: So that's like what they tell like heidio as jokes,
Speaker 6: like that's what they tell the goam for moremons obviously
Speaker 6: not for days.
Speaker 7: For more than more than Mormons, but yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the Twilight language is not like the language
Speaker 3: to the subconscious that is magic, right, Well.
Speaker 6: It can be it can be. It's like seeds of
Speaker 6: potential are there and it depends on how much you
Speaker 6: buy in. That's a very.
Speaker 1: Chaste actual Yeah, like Kevin I I postually like the
Speaker 1: way they teach the upper echelon priesthood holders that give
Speaker 1: all the quorum of the seventy how to speak. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like a very singy songy mesmerism.
Speaker 4: Sound is the is.
Speaker 6: When you capture four elements in space, so giving it
Speaker 6: the fifth dimension. Right, So it's the second most powerful
Speaker 6: after light. But light and sound are also the same thing.
Speaker 6: But it's the second most powerful vehicle of magic because
Speaker 6: there's actually two kinds of speech. I'm sorry, I'm not
Speaker 6: trying to make a long point about this, but there
Speaker 6: is a there's gross and subtle speech. This is obviously
Speaker 6: contract idea, but so there's like vox city, so you
Speaker 6: have the ability to everything that you say carries with it.
Speaker 6: It's underlying meaning inherently, so everything you say, it's like
Speaker 6: a Beny Jazzert. That's the exact same idea. It's like
Speaker 6: they use the command voice, but every time they speak
Speaker 6: that it's command voice, and it's so subtle that you
Speaker 6: couldn't even talk it's just in the pattern. Maybe you
Speaker 6: use like a little cabalistic language to like, you know,
Speaker 6: make it a little colorful and there that's that's your package.
Speaker 6: But it's like subtly, it's like a subtle manipulation.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: I would agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Because they control the lighting, They control like everything.
Speaker 7: When you think.
Speaker 1: About Conference, I don't know if you've ever watched Conference Gin,
Speaker 1: but it's terrific. But anyway, like the way they speak
Speaker 1: is I definitely have always postulated that they're casting.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, interesting.
Speaker 3: I.
Speaker 5: Can understand that. I think kytie is that it's some
Speaker 5: sort of you know, ritual casting magic stuff, because it's
Speaker 5: such a weird thing to watch.
Speaker 3: It's not even like at least the Catholics. They had
Speaker 3: some incense and then make some some music into it's
Speaker 3: just very dry, but it's all.
Speaker 7: You know, will fall asleep, They fall asleep.
Speaker 4: It's it's soothing. Okay, you ever fall asleep being soothed? Guys,
Speaker 4: It's very fun.
Speaker 1: Except except those of us that see through it and
Speaker 1: we're screaming in our heads.
Speaker 7: But that's okay. I'm like, get me out of here.
Speaker 1: What is happening?
Speaker 3: The uh you guys get my way out of almost
Speaker 3: every one of those conferences, Hoti, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: After I went to a on while, I was like,
Speaker 3: I will do every chore, this house, the house next door,
Speaker 3: the house down the street, but I don't ever have
Speaker 3: to go back to that agame.
Speaker 7: Oh it's bad, so bad.
Speaker 4: Did you guys, Did you guys read battle Not all
Speaker 4: of you guys read it right?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we got detailed from we were talking about
Speaker 3: battlefields here on Earth if you're talking about battlefield er.
Speaker 4: No, but you guys didn't read it right.
Speaker 6: I've read it.
Speaker 5: I've never read I've seen I've seen it.
Speaker 8: I was gonna say, don't because it's not a good book,
Speaker 8: but like, it's just for anybody who doesn't know like
Speaker 8: what this is. And the only reason I'm saying this
Speaker 8: is because I want to get somebody like JJ who
Speaker 8: knows a lot about it, because I couldn't see a
Speaker 8: lot of what the application of scientology was. So now
Speaker 8: he starts with an intro of this book. It's written
Speaker 8: in nineteen eighty, towards the end of his life, I think,
Speaker 8: And he said in the intro, He's like, I'm tired
Speaker 8: of writing about dianetics and all of these things.
Speaker 4: I want to write.
Speaker 8: Sci fi, old school sci fi, and he talks about
Speaker 8: does it give us long thing of like examples of
Speaker 8: what science fiction is, what it's become.
Speaker 4: I take it he didn't like a lot of the
Speaker 4: Philip K.
Speaker 8: Dickification of sci fi and he wanted to write old
Speaker 8: school Blam rocket you know, space fighting Western Space.
Speaker 5: Well, that was his crew. That was his crew. Arthur C.
Speaker 3: Clark, Isaac Asimov, you know all these guys. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to say Ray Bradbury by that of him
Speaker 3: is all those sci fi writers from that time. They
Speaker 3: were all part of the same club with the Forest.
Speaker 3: J Ackron was kind of the club leader, the famous
Speaker 3: monsters guy from Hollywood and Forrest j Ackerman would claim
Speaker 3: they were all doing Parsons thing. He got a lodge
Speaker 3: of the Oto and then Hubbard invented this new thing, scientology.
Speaker 3: I'm just he says things and stuff like that, but
Speaker 3: it's scientology.
Speaker 4: And he said, then we started we all started.
Speaker 3: Doing scientology for a while, We all started doing the
Speaker 3: new thing for a while.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Croly did try to warn him. He said he was
Speaker 1: a confidence man, and I mean he took his girl
Speaker 1: started up his own deal like all of it.
Speaker 3: So oh for sure. He stole most of his biography
Speaker 3: from his college roommate, Paul lion Barger.
Speaker 7: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Whoa Yeah, Paul Liin Barger, very interesting fella. He was
Speaker 3: a sci fi writer. He wrote with the name Cordwin
Speaker 3: or Smith. He also he also wrote the Army's Manual
Speaker 3: and Psychological Warfare for World War Two.
Speaker 4: M took a job. He took He took a job.
Speaker 4: You know you gotta get you gotta make money.
Speaker 3: Guys, Well this is we're We're all these sci fi
Speaker 3: writers involved in the writing psychological warfare manuals for the Army.
Speaker 4: On you try keeping the lights come on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well did y'all know that Michael Likeino wrote, wrote
Speaker 3: a bunch of Star Wars fan fiction and one time
Speaker 3: almost broke I think he either try to break in
Speaker 3: or broke into, uh George Lucas's house, knocking on his
Speaker 3: front door or you know, property knocked on his front door.
Speaker 4: Was trying to get him to publish it.
Speaker 6: He could see that because George Lucas was into stuff.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's talked about it. He talked about how
Speaker 6: he wasn't doing meditations on the tarot, how he was
Speaker 6: reading the etching, how he was doing the Unfortune's cabala.
Speaker 6: He talked about like that that's was the genesis of
Speaker 6: the lore. And I'm not like a super Star Wars person,
Speaker 6: but there is. I used to find it superficial. I'm
Speaker 6: just being honest, like I used to find it very superficial.
Speaker 6: But actually now I actually can see that there's he's talking.
Speaker 6: There is a metaphysics there. Whether I enjoy the films
Speaker 6: or not, I can put that aside and just say
Speaker 6: I think that there is. He thought he could remix it,
Speaker 6: because that's the Quino's thing, right, That's what I always
Speaker 6: bring up, like the Conan Conan, the Hyperborean versus what
Speaker 6: all the other magicians love, which is Lovecraft. So everybody's
Speaker 6: talking about like the Abyssal gods and all this, but
Speaker 6: Aquano is actually he was interested in both, and he
Speaker 6: wanted to explore like how you could, I guess, weaponize
Speaker 6: the mythology in a magical direction. That's kind of even
Speaker 6: his even the even the Crystal tablets, Like when he's
Speaker 6: writing the Crystal tablets, Yes, they're just books of rules
Speaker 6: and regulations for the Temple of Set. But if you're
Speaker 6: good at kabbala. And I'm not saying like I'm anything spectacular,
Speaker 6: I'm not, but you can see that's what he's actually doing.
Speaker 6: He's actually using loyally language to constrict the paths. So
Speaker 6: if someone joins, it's like all their oats. It's like
Speaker 6: a perfect it's like a very legal kind of way
Speaker 6: to do kabbala. Sorry, I mean you're out.
Speaker 4: No Lucas is uh. Lucas is kind of McGowan.
Speaker 8: Dave mcgawan writes about it in weird scenes in the Canyon,
Speaker 8: the Lucas Uh being one of the cameramen to film
Speaker 8: the Aultamont massacre for the Rolling Stones concert. Now I
Speaker 8: don't he even says like I don't know who shot what,
Speaker 8: like who was on there, but he's he was part
Speaker 8: of the I think the usc film department that had
Speaker 8: all the major directors of you know what would become
Speaker 8: the seventies film and stuff. And there's rumors and and
Speaker 8: if anyone doesn't know, the Ultimont masacer is basically the
Speaker 8: Hell's Angels is just like killing a guy, like stabbing
Speaker 8: a guy to death. Multiple people died, but like there's
Speaker 8: one apparently caught on camera. I don't know if it's
Speaker 8: actually in the Rolling Stones Give Me Shelter documentary, which
Speaker 8: I think you can watch on like Max and stuff,
Speaker 8: but I haven't watched it yet. But apparently, and I
Speaker 8: don't know if this is on the MAX copy, you
Speaker 8: can see a guy just getting absolutely destroyed by a
Speaker 8: by a Hell's angel. There is reason, I guess, reason
Speaker 8: to suspect that Lucas like filmed some of that and
Speaker 8: maybe there was some ritualistic aspect of it. Even McGowan said, look,
Speaker 8: I don't know, you know, but that's it is runny
Speaker 8: that he's involved in that, Like he's just there.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's coincidence. And Rolling Stones processed Church
Speaker 3: of the Final Judgment.
Speaker 1: M.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Grandpa's weird.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone that is involved in any of
Speaker 1: these cults.
Speaker 7: Whether it be the process or Mormons or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's accidents right like and by the way,
Speaker 1: most superstars, like big movie stars, they've all got a
Speaker 1: kid that's dead, like almost all of them, Like oh,
Speaker 1: he just was too close to the blinds or whatever whatever,
Speaker 1: like the treadmill cord or like the most random stuff
Speaker 1: and all of them have it.
Speaker 7: I'm like I have I know plenty of people. Not
Speaker 7: everybody has one dead kid.
Speaker 5: Sorry, yeah, doesn't.
Speaker 8: I can think of like ten off the top of
Speaker 8: my head right now. Like since you said that, it's crazy,
Speaker 8: like John travolt Travolta Eric clapped in Francis fort Ca.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then let's be honest. John travolt has lost
Speaker 3: two kids, right, he lost that one jet, but he
Speaker 3: also lost the fellow name is named Sage Stallone. Take
Speaker 3: one look at Sage Stalone. Tell me his father is
Speaker 3: Sevester Stalloon.
Speaker 1: Oh that's another Jackie thing, another Jackie h.
Speaker 3: So travolt Travolta and Salone have been tight for many years.
Speaker 3: In fact, Stallone directed and choreographed the film Staying Live
Speaker 3: starring John Travolta. They got him real greased up, you know,
Speaker 3: you know Stallone while he was getting real grease up
Speaker 3: while directing Travolta, while he was getting greased up.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they go way back, and that's uh.
Speaker 3: You look at stage Stallone and he looks just like uh,
Speaker 3: John Travolta.
Speaker 7: It goes back to John d Our Buddy.
Speaker 1: Here you swap the wives and she gets pregnant, you
Speaker 1: get to raise the kid.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, I mean we were doing these sex
Speaker 3: could stuff. I mean, the Travolta is a scientologist. Seems
Speaker 3: like Stallone had a lot of scientology connections, including his
Speaker 3: early agent I believe it was, and then you know
Speaker 3: he had that weird start and porn and all those
Speaker 3: kind of things. I mean, you know, you look at
Speaker 3: these sex cults and it's like, well, they're probably all
Speaker 3: just banging each other for sure. That's why you got
Speaker 3: OJ's daughter growing up as a Kardashian. Definitely, he's a scientologist.
Speaker 3: He went, clear, you're gonna tell me that you don't
Speaker 3: want to be an enlightened being like orenthal J Simpson.
Speaker 4: OJ was I didn't know.
Speaker 5: That wasn't clear? Oh yeah, he w wasn't clear.
Speaker 8: Well, before the murders, interesting, they were like, we found
Speaker 8: we found them. We found the all time or the
Speaker 8: single season rushing record to commit massive sacrifice murders.
Speaker 4: What a steal.
Speaker 3: Wow, Well that was that was in my opinion, that
Speaker 3: was a processed church related cocaine trafficking situation. Was cocaine everywhere,
Speaker 3: cocaine Bob's everywhere around the situation. In fact, he was dating.
Speaker 3: He was dating OJ's X girlfriend, the one that got
Speaker 3: called in around the time of the murders. So you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Paul Barbieri, Yeah, that was Bobby
Speaker 3: girl from the time. And then literally like, oh, we
Speaker 3: don't know who could have committed these murders. One of
Speaker 3: the chief witnesses for the state was dating a mob hitman,
Speaker 3: and Nicole Brown's sister was dating a mob hitman, mobbed
Speaker 3: up hitman in Los Angeles, and They're like, we have
Speaker 3: no idea what kind of organized crime outfit could have
Speaker 3: committed these kind of organized crime crime outfit murders. Certainly
Speaker 3: not the victim's sister's boyfriend. That's that couldn't happened. In fact,
Speaker 3: we'll call her in as a witness.
Speaker 7: Well that's a good cover.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I weren't tall, Jay Simpson scientologists for sure, Wow,
Speaker 3: proud wow.
Speaker 5: Proud scientologists.
Speaker 3: That's why you seen was Priscilla Presley and the naked
Speaker 3: guns here, proud scientologists.
Speaker 1: Priscilla Pressley and as she was, I didn't know about
Speaker 1: him though, I didn't know about that. Yeah, wow, how
Speaker 1: do you think ower?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, yeah, channel.
Speaker 8: That's how they'd get me that's how they'd get me.
Speaker 8: They'd be like, hey, dude, you can the leagues leading
Speaker 8: rusher for here.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, guys anything, record it.
Speaker 7: I don't care coming in, Yeah, I gotta do it.
Speaker 4: Fine, guys, Fine, I really want to bought this record.
Speaker 7: Fine, Yeah, it's okay, it's totally fine. Do what you want.
Speaker 7: They said it was a coffee anema.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Oh man, those living I'm sorry, damn man, damn.
Speaker 4: I'm telling these folks are everywhere.
Speaker 3: And when he's saying that these folks are gonna come together,
Speaker 3: I like to joke that it's that they're gonna come
Speaker 3: together like Vultron. They're ancient alien cargo cults come together
Speaker 3: like Vultron. They look separate and they come together like Voltron,
Speaker 3: YEP Catholics, Mormon scientologists, or Jehovah's witnesses. They all do
Speaker 3: their own function within these ancient alien cargo cult networks,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, And one day I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: is it time to blast off or out of your folks?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, let them go. Just folks like Elon
Speaker 3: Musk want let them launch himself in Mars, let me
Speaker 3: go and.
Speaker 5: Let all these people launch themself out of here.
Speaker 4: I'll never stop anybody from leaving Earth. Yeah, you watch
Speaker 4: them try it. Go ahead.
Speaker 8: Oh by that rocket simulation thing weeks ago with all
Speaker 8: the ladies on it.
Speaker 4: I wish I just kept going, just keep going. They
Speaker 4: can't keep going.
Speaker 7: They didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: They can't they just.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, get.
Speaker 4: Her out and just keep going like I'd go further.
Speaker 2: She's the Pope.
Speaker 7: She can't leave now.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's just doing cabala. That's all.
Speaker 1: That was the whole thing, humiliation ritual.
Speaker 6: I didn't even think it was that. I think that
Speaker 6: they take them like up however high they can even go.
Speaker 5: Up.
Speaker 6: I think they went into some zero G thing if
Speaker 6: we were being really honest, but I think, okay, we'll
Speaker 6: just say it was real whatever that even means. So
Speaker 6: they went up as high as they go, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: it's touching the ploroma, like you could describe it as
Speaker 6: that and like a gnostic experience, like you're sort of breaching,
Speaker 6: you know, the veil of the world. You're crossing the
Speaker 6: abyss in the most literal way, because you're crossing through
Speaker 6: space and time at the same time.
Speaker 7: Oprah's friend. No, no, I interrupted you.
Speaker 1: The one lady that was Oprah's friend. She's like, but
Speaker 1: have you gone to space? And I'm like, you are stupid.
Speaker 1: You make women look so stupid. I'm just like.
Speaker 5: King friends, the marketing the marketing acer friends, Yeah, child sex.
Speaker 1: Exactly. And I just shake my head and go, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, like, how is it that these women are
Speaker 1: not even that hot and guys are still like and
Speaker 1: they're so hot and great look at them, and I'm.
Speaker 7: Like, this is the end of humanity.
Speaker 1: That's fine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, will you say j Yeah, you just said something,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well, just making a remark. I was making a retort
Speaker 3: about Aprah Winfrey house. She's so how does she still
Speaker 3: walk the earth without getting questions about stuff? She has
Speaker 3: all the money agent, she got some money. But she
Speaker 3: was a marketing agent for that Brazilian sex trafficking cult
Speaker 3: leader John.
Speaker 2: And god, yeah, that shi was crazy.
Speaker 3: She did so many events for that dude, had them
Speaker 3: on the show and so dude, like a lot of
Speaker 3: kids got dialed as a result of Oprah Winterfrey.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they're all involved for sure.
Speaker 3: One hundred and her her wife was on that ship, right,
Speaker 3: her beard was on the spacecraft.
Speaker 7: Right, Gail, Yeah no, she was right, Yeah, yeah, name.
Speaker 5: That's her beard. That's definitely her beard. Let's get it,
Speaker 5: let's let's get real.
Speaker 8: They both they both took down They both took down
Speaker 8: Charlie Rose together so Gail could get her own show.
Speaker 3: And yeah, well look at look at Oprah Wintererfrey's husband.
Speaker 3: He's like a little dainty looking fella, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. They look like the weirdest looking couple too.
Speaker 3: Like when you see her with the gay old Gail,
Speaker 3: they're which, they're always together. He's never around, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like you never see him around. You
Speaker 3: always see her. And it's a you can gotta tell,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, there's a there's an appearance, there, a.
Speaker 5: Good indicator. Right.
Speaker 1: Well, it were just the fact, Gale, just the fact
Speaker 1: they're all in the ring together.
Speaker 7: It just I just see it.
Speaker 1: And what what makes me laugh is so many people
Speaker 1: still think a crap like that is real and not
Speaker 1: what Jin said. It's like a ritual.
Speaker 5: I could definitely see the op Her and her beard
Speaker 5: being cultists.
Speaker 6: Well they just think of it. I mean, you could
Speaker 6: think of it just like scientology. You can just say okay,
Speaker 6: they're going clear, because what is clear clear is really
Speaker 6: turquoise is very like old fashion kabala idea. It's like
Speaker 6: the color of turquoise, which can also be the day
Speaker 6: sky or the night sky, because both of those colors
Speaker 6: a lot bess and turqoise are really the same thing.
Speaker 6: That's kind of how it's considered. So yeah, they're just
Speaker 6: they're they're touching the you know, the pristine clarity of God.
Speaker 6: That's how they would think of it. It's not even
Speaker 6: that big of a deal because, like you really, it's
Speaker 6: like when Nikolas says, you're not just a that's a
Speaker 6: you just have a magical experience in your mind. It's
Speaker 6: not it's not it's not that whatever that is, Like yeah,
Speaker 6: maybe that's spiritually profound or whatever. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: she was acting like very weird.
Speaker 1: Afterwards, definitely very very supreme being. She was like, I
Speaker 1: went to space and you didn't. So and then Katy
Speaker 1: Perry kissing the dirt. I was like, get up, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? You're so weird.
Speaker 4: Well, if you look at the.
Speaker 6: No I was just saying that that Actually what Heidi
Speaker 6: just said was interesting because it's like the you know,
Speaker 6: the Uranus and the chronos. It's like the sky and
Speaker 6: the primordial.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Well, at least that makes some sense
Speaker 1: of the situation, because when I seen it, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is stupid. This is so stupid that I can't
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just funny to me that people don't
Speaker 1: see through it and they're like.
Speaker 7: Did you see this cool thing?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I this is why I don't have friends.
Speaker 1: So I have you guys, but I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't talk about this like that, Like you okay, that's fine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: keep walking.
Speaker 3: Well, if you look at who invented a space force,
Speaker 3: aside from the Catholics then travel rockets. These are l
Speaker 3: Ron's buddies. This is Isaac Asimov, This is Arthur C. Clark,
Speaker 3: the folks that also, for some reason, when the appoll
Speaker 3: that cut out in.
Speaker 2: My back Oh yeah, yeah, yeah good.
Speaker 5: The Arthur C.
Speaker 3: Clark and Isaac Asimov also, strangely enough, besides inventing rockets
Speaker 3: and space travel before science came up with these concepts,
Speaker 3: like they came up with them first, they were also
Speaker 3: doing the live broadcast.
Speaker 4: Of the Apollo eleven launch.
Speaker 3: I can sixty nine, yeah, and you talking about to
Speaker 3: Last sixties, nineteen sixty nine to be precise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you talk about Arthur C.
Speaker 8: Clarke writes what book for Stanley Kubrick to adapt? I
Speaker 8: mean two thousand and one of Space Odyssey. It's crazy.
Speaker 8: It is crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, it's even crazier when you see that again, these
Speaker 3: are all al Ron's friends. They're the ones bringing a space.
Speaker 3: They all seem to have a prelection towards children.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was the what was the pulp publication that
Speaker 4: they all started under? Do you know?
Speaker 8: Because that that's I'd like to look into that. That's interesting,
Speaker 8: Like it was an early pulp They they're all friends.
Speaker 4: From their pulp days, and this is battlefield Earth.
Speaker 8: They say, like l Ron Hubbard, serializing like a year's
Speaker 8: worth of like a pulp story essentially is what he's
Speaker 8: what he's doing. But they come from an old I
Speaker 8: don't know if it's the same one as like Robert
Speaker 8: y Howard in them from back in the day, but
Speaker 8: it was it was a similar process, And I wonder like,
Speaker 8: what was that magazine all about?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was talking about.
Speaker 3: This it's an entire club of folks and it spawns
Speaker 3: and spawns, Marvel and DC comics. The ringleader, the ringleader
Speaker 3: of the bunch is a guy by the name of
Speaker 3: Forrest j Ackerman. He's a Hollywood legend and monsters, monster stuff.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the well, that just reminds me of a
Speaker 3: different scientology situation. I tell you, had I previously had
Speaker 3: had secluded this other thought in the way back of
Speaker 3: my brain hole beneath a lot of bong resin and
Speaker 3: you know, malted hops. But when we're talking scientology and
Speaker 3: monster stuff in Hollywood and John Travolta, and this is
Speaker 3: not for Jackumen related, but if you know the film.
Speaker 4: Get Shorty, Yes, so Get Shorty.
Speaker 3: Gene Hackman, who I is high, was high on my
Speaker 3: list as a secret scientologist long before his mysterious death.
Speaker 3: He just did way too many films with Travolts and
Speaker 3: Cruise and other scientologists. Just it's the sheer volume of
Speaker 3: times you're you're acting opposite of a sciential, a known
Speaker 3: scientologist from like, wait a second, buddy, what's going on here?
Speaker 4: But he plays this kind of.
Speaker 3: B rate horror film dude right, like in Hollywood, right,
Speaker 3: that's his character and Get Shorty right, So that in
Speaker 3: my opinion, that's Roger Corman, legendary b rate film horror
Speaker 3: director and very close friends BFFs if you will with
Speaker 3: cocaine Bob Evans. MM, so you know this weird kind
Speaker 3: of again this uh you know this scientology. You know
Speaker 3: they're there, it's the scientologists making movies telling stories about
Speaker 3: their scientologists, you know what I mean. But you know
Speaker 3: they all seem to have some weird uh yeah, he
Speaker 3: asked me.
Speaker 4: They all have weird predilections.
Speaker 3: Maybe Travolta's isn't kids, but he certainly got handsy with
Speaker 3: a number of masseus, as it seems, and I can
Speaker 3: attest to him being a little bit uh handsy myself,
Speaker 3: so not not thankfully, not as bad as the messuss.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait a second, John, let's back it
Speaker 3: off here now.
Speaker 7: But he's like, get off of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, this is an inappropriate friend. Well, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They all seem to be the weird stuff, right, like
Speaker 3: weird sexual stuff.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: JJ's like, listen, I don't need no Roy Cohne picture. Bitch,
Speaker 1: back it up, back it up.
Speaker 7: What were you saying?
Speaker 6: Oh? I just wanted to say that it's interesting that
Speaker 6: you brought up Roger Corman because obviously he did all
Speaker 6: those Argentinian Sword and Sandal movies. So it is like
Speaker 6: it is sort of like what I was referring to.
Speaker 6: It's like there's a division between like who prefers the
Speaker 6: Hyperborean mythos and Hooper for prefers the Lovecraftians who were
Speaker 6: seeing like monster creators, like people did special effects makeup?
Speaker 6: Those would Yeah, that you would be drawing for more
Speaker 6: from that mythology, right, because that's what that mythology is
Speaker 6: more about, whereas the Hyperborian mythology is like you as
Speaker 6: the hero, you as the sem us Adaman team man
Speaker 6: or the magician or whatever. So it's like it's like
Speaker 6: a different preference. It's like the difference between like Martness
Speaker 6: and Rose Recrusians.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, and you think about that in terms of
Speaker 8: like the Pulps, Right, what were the two big pulp
Speaker 8: things or two out of the big three. You had Western,
Speaker 8: you had crime, and you had sci Fi. Right, so
Speaker 8: that's a good way.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: Elmore Leonard I think started in the Pulps too, which
Speaker 8: he did get Shorty the novel, and I don't know
Speaker 8: if you connection there, but you talk about like all
Speaker 8: the guys from coming from the pulse, and then you
Speaker 8: got the guys coming from the sci fi stuff. And
Speaker 8: I the terms Gin said are the hyperborean one, which
Speaker 8: is a more fantastical one. But if you could cover
Speaker 8: that all in magazines that get readily distributed, because this
Speaker 8: is how people read back then, like not everyone was
Speaker 8: writing novel. It's a very lucrative thing for fiction authors
Speaker 8: to do. Is el Ron Hubbard first started making a
Speaker 8: bunch of at least on the record money.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure.
Speaker 3: And I cut out there for a minutes. I missed
Speaker 3: gen statements there. I can put a book hand here,
Speaker 3: like cut out a game.
Speaker 5: You're getting back. Okay.
Speaker 3: What I was getting out there with all these folks
Speaker 3: is you know, they're this, this whole sci fi writers
Speaker 3: crew is they're they're all kind of doing these weird
Speaker 3: sexual proclivities.
Speaker 5: Generally with children. Oh yeah, and with Arthur C.
Speaker 3: Clark, so bad that they the British government brandished him
Speaker 3: to Sri Lanka. That's pretty bad. When you got Prince Andrew,
Speaker 3: his uncle Seville. You know Clement Freud. Clement Freud's is
Speaker 3: six son of a bitch, uh segment four, it's grandson
Speaker 3: they're all run around the UK and they said, Arthur,
Speaker 3: you're doing too much. You got to go to Sri Lanka.
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is, what you know, is this
Speaker 3: at a cult thing that these guys are bending our
Speaker 3: ideas of space, They're diddling kids to a Sri Lankan level,
Speaker 3: you know, what's going on? Or just magic? What are
Speaker 3: we talking about here? You know, because that's really what
Speaker 3: I think is. You know, Elron was trying to sell
Speaker 3: here in Battlefield Earth on a large, you know, a
Speaker 3: large commercial scale. Is these ideas whatever, whatever they're doing
Speaker 3: with this nexus point of their strange activities within these
Speaker 3: sci fi crew that have invented the ideas of rocket
Speaker 3: and space, traut and everything else that we see, you know,
Speaker 3: in these later things like you know, lots of stories,
Speaker 3: but you know, things like Battlefield Earth, you know, which
Speaker 3: I'm assuming is again trying to perpetrate these ideas on
Speaker 3: a larger scale.
Speaker 5: But there seems to be something deeper into this occult
Speaker 5: aspects of it. To me, I don't know enough about
Speaker 5: the cult. I'm just saying, like, it's weird to me
Speaker 5: that you're going to invent these ideas of space.
Speaker 3: This group of sci fi writers do it on a
Speaker 3: mass you know, publication scale, and then these people are
Speaker 3: also in a weird kids stuff just magic stuff too.
Speaker 5: But I'm saying the weird kid.
Speaker 6: Stuff, Well, what if you really.
Speaker 3: Believed right with the magic stuff, right, let's go hand
Speaker 3: in hand at times, right, what do.
Speaker 6: You really what if you they really believe they're channeling
Speaker 6: spirits like Heidi off and talks about.
Speaker 7: I think they really.
Speaker 5: Stuff to the movies, dude, Is that what you're saying
Speaker 5: about right now?
Speaker 6: Well, if they really believe it, Like I don't believe
Speaker 6: in that, Like I don't believe they can even do it,
Speaker 6: so that I might think you might be anti supernaturalist perspective,
Speaker 6: which is more my perspective, so I don't. But regardless,
Speaker 6: they believe that they can and they believe that they're
Speaker 6: speaking to spirits. So if the as we said, like
Speaker 6: you can divide the hosts the angels into into each suffer,
Speaker 6: there's like a classification and a hierarchy and like who
Speaker 6: you get with, what name you call, So that's that's
Speaker 6: really what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They're like, but I don't think they I think the
Speaker 1: angels lie to them, just like John said, and their demons.
Speaker 6: Not it's not it's not necessarily demons. It's that they
Speaker 6: have their.
Speaker 1: Own well they call them.
Speaker 7: I mean we have to.
Speaker 6: I totally get it.
Speaker 2: I totally get it.
Speaker 1: Outer realm whatever, outer realm.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine. My host is there was a processed term,
Speaker 3: So I don't know if I can use that term.
Speaker 6: Okay, me won't.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's higher realms, the highest realm, right, Like, you
Speaker 1: can't contact the highest realm if you're clear down here
Speaker 1: unless you know your ship. And so what you're gonna
Speaker 1: get when you start doing this solemonic magic is you're
Speaker 1: gonna get the lower realm first, and they're gonna lie
Speaker 1: their ass off to you, and then they're going to
Speaker 1: use all this weird kiddy stuff and debauchery to power
Speaker 1: up they are.
Speaker 10: They're sure what if these, though, are really expressions of
Speaker 10: like the darkness of their own mind, Like just think
Speaker 10: of it and away, like the mind does the Carnic.
Speaker 3: Cave scenario, dude, is that we're talking about? Yeah, do
Speaker 3: you think that I agree with manifests?
Speaker 8: Can that act as an agent and just manifestation? I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't know if manifestation is real or not, but
Speaker 8: like I mean, let's just say, you know, even if
Speaker 8: you believe that, you believe, are you not contributing to
Speaker 8: some collective pool of other people doing that like Jen
Speaker 8: And in that sense, does it make it somewhat real
Speaker 8: at that point?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe you think about Giant Marshmalloman in my page.
Speaker 7: For sure, I think they're.
Speaker 1: Channeling, but not always because not everyone's an adept magician.
Speaker 7: So I think gin is right.
Speaker 1: There are people that it could go sixes like these
Speaker 1: people over here are magicians, but these people over here
Speaker 1: might just be not as stable and in their own
Speaker 1: head and like still contributing to that debauchery pool that's sesspool.
Speaker 1: So it could be multiple things, you know.
Speaker 6: That's what it is. It's like that's even with the
Speaker 6: factions with process that's talking about, like the Hollywood connections
Speaker 6: from scientology, like the people don't have to all alignment
Speaker 6: and maybe that's a big obviously.
Speaker 4: No, right it helps if they're right.
Speaker 1: They're not Yeah, yeah, I don't be they are precoherent.
Speaker 6: It's like all the you can kind of capture people more.
Speaker 6: It's more attention grabbing if things are decoherent, because they're
Speaker 6: like you know, we always joke if you have daddy issues, yeah,
Speaker 6: maybe you'll become a neopagan because like you have issues
Speaker 6: with daddy God, so then you'll be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna worship like these other gods. But they're really just
Speaker 6: the opposite of the thing that you came for, or
Speaker 6: maybe even the same thing in many cases. So it's like,
Speaker 6: what do you You can only achieve that when you
Speaker 6: have other options. So you have like the multiple permutations
Speaker 6: of scientology X process.
Speaker 7: Well, and you can achieve only what you believe.
Speaker 1: So, like what you said, if somebody is a magician
Speaker 1: or messing with magical stuff, that doesn't mean everyone is.
Speaker 1: That's for the elect that's for like the top of
Speaker 1: the top that have had the access somehow to get
Speaker 1: into a.
Speaker 7: Mystery school type situation.
Speaker 1: But the rest of these people, like I always say
Speaker 1: on my podcast, because people say to me, oh this
Speaker 1: is so new age or this is oh skip this episode,
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen to me, it doesn't matter what you believe.
Speaker 1: It matters what they believe, because what they believe is
Speaker 1: charging the shit s.
Speaker 7: So yeah, even if.
Speaker 1: It's not real, like Jin said, like even it could
Speaker 1: be maybe so, but.
Speaker 4: It is the buy in, I guess, kind of the
Speaker 4: real magic in a sense.
Speaker 2: Sometimes.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think Nick can attest like this
Speaker 1: is for polemonic magic is nothing to be played with
Speaker 1: on a on a minuscule level. It is big, you know,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I don't think normal people would touch it.
Speaker 2: That's even the whole problem. When I think people get
Speaker 2: into the Goatias, they totally forget like the Alms was
Speaker 2: a three or four of the books prior to that
Speaker 2: that you're supposed to read about angel, right, It's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna totally at the end of the year,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna play with that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're gonna do yeah, because you can join the
Speaker 6: one hundred and forty four names, right, because they're really
Speaker 6: names of the of the same thing, the same entity.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying I believe it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's what well, but if they believe it,
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Nix right, Like, that's what I
Speaker 1: say about Joseph Smith that I really do think he
Speaker 1: was a magician because Curly tips his hat, so I
Speaker 1: really do think he channeled. But he didn't do what
Speaker 1: Nick said and read the previous books to protect his
Speaker 1: ass and then he made his stupid Jupiter talisman wrong,
Speaker 1: so he died. That's what happened.
Speaker 6: Well, I think he definitely came from like one of
Speaker 6: those families we'll call it noveldline, but families that played
Speaker 6: in the polarities, right, because right, he's a sailanm family
Speaker 6: he inherited like the Bible slash Gromoir, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 6: And so I I, as I've told you hiding many times,
Speaker 6: I don't dislike. I find Joseph Smith very fascinating personally, yes, yes,
Speaker 6: but I'm not a Mormon and I'm not affiliate. I
Speaker 6: don't want to be a Mormon. I'm just clarifying that.
Speaker 6: But I do find Joseph Smith very compelling.
Speaker 1: Maybe, But here's the thing, not everybody's at that level.
Speaker 1: So I think you're right too, Like it's not one
Speaker 1: person is right. I think it's multitudes of things, because
Speaker 1: you're right too. Whereas most people don't even know what
Speaker 1: the goatia is. Go walk up to ten people on
Speaker 1: the street, They're not going to know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: You's that question You're talking about sausage, like get.
Speaker 1: A you know, they will like people don't know even
Speaker 1: if you start saying like folk magic, maybe they'll know
Speaker 1: that word, but they're not going to be playing with
Speaker 1: these things. So I think Gin's right too, where some
Speaker 1: people are in their own heads and look at how
Speaker 1: many people just be They're like, oh, I'm so important,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what the movie stars do, and
Speaker 1: they're just going too.
Speaker 7: They're just a higher level.
Speaker 1: Goam most of the time, not always, not always.
Speaker 3: I heard your comment about Joseph Smith, Chen, and you
Speaker 3: claim not to be Mormon. I'll uh appreciate you out
Speaker 3: yourself as not a Mormon. Never asked you that question,
Speaker 3: clarified that. But my fault, Jena Ninja not a Mormon.
Speaker 3: It's more, it's more my delimited fault not not asking
Speaker 3: you that, not verifying. I I asked Glenna he was
Speaker 3: a scientologist. I also didn't ask me he was a Mormon.
Speaker 3: So I failed again.
Speaker 5: There were all Mark Safe.
Speaker 7: We weren't Mark Safe yesterday. We weren't Mark.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know what was over that.
Speaker 3: So I like to look at Joseph Smith this way, Jenna,
Speaker 3: to piggyback on your comment, is I look at it
Speaker 3: like Charles Manson. He's he's kind of a part of
Speaker 3: American folklore, right, He's this very intriguing character. Did a
Speaker 3: lot of the same things in fact, but he's very
Speaker 3: intriguing character, is very much a part of the American folklore.
Speaker 3: You know, the landscape of American folklore, right as much
Speaker 3: as you know.
Speaker 2: So I'll say this, so.
Speaker 6: I'll retract my thing about not being a Mormon. I'm
Speaker 6: definitely not a Mormon. No, I'm not a Mormon. I
Speaker 6: did retract it because I'll say this, I am interested
Speaker 6: in like speculative American narcissism. I think that's a really
Speaker 6: interesting idea, and i think that's what they were all
Speaker 6: interested in too. So I'm not saying that I'm like
Speaker 6: them or I'm like do what they were doing, but
Speaker 6: i would like to explore, deconstructing the ideas and maybe
Speaker 6: even like looking at the fictional ways, like the novel
Speaker 6: of how They kind of I'm saying the movie failed,
Speaker 6: but the movie is an imperfect vehicle that actually the
Speaker 6: word is more metaphysically potent. But you have to get
Speaker 6: the eyes on the book, like Glenn was saying, like
Speaker 6: people have to have a buy in whether it's like
Speaker 6: just reading it, that's a buy in. But then it's
Speaker 6: like up to your levels of discrimination. That's why has
Speaker 6: said and gebra, I know I talk about this so much,
Speaker 6: but yeah, that's why those things have to talk.
Speaker 1: About the Mormons too much.
Speaker 6: Don't feel bad, Okay, Well that's why those things have
Speaker 6: to come together in synthesis because it's like the discrimination
Speaker 6: with the perception at the same time, like you have
Speaker 6: to be able to discern what you're seeing. You can't
Speaker 6: just believe it all. So that's the fire and the
Speaker 6: water thing. And I also think if I was a Mormon,
Speaker 6: I would actually tell you that, oh you are Mormon
Speaker 6: water or the world's going to end in fire. You
Speaker 6: would pick a side. But I'm saying the tipperatic reasoning
Speaker 6: is stronger.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying meet well, just because I say that
Speaker 1: they aren't what I would do. Remember, my whole problem
Speaker 1: with them is not the history, not the studying, not
Speaker 1: all of it.
Speaker 7: Is that they are lying. They lie their asses off
Speaker 7: and harness the energy.
Speaker 1: So here's my problem is, like I said on the
Speaker 1: show the other day, what we were on, I said, listen,
Speaker 1: I got no problem with the church. If they would
Speaker 1: come out and say that they're just a magical order,
Speaker 1: and and then there was silence and we moved on.
Speaker 6: So maybe that's what you're here. Maybe you're here to
Speaker 6: like say like, yeah, we're coming.
Speaker 2: On right, like just.
Speaker 7: And let them use their own magic and stop stop
Speaker 7: using people.
Speaker 3: I hate that, so I appreciate your thoughts. They are
Speaker 3: elder gen you sound like lower damons.
Speaker 7: You gotta change your name now it's going to be
Speaker 7: elder ninja.
Speaker 1: Or you have to say the ninja, not the elder.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't that would give me a lot of cache
Speaker 6: on on.
Speaker 1: I g.
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, I would get all the call accounts would
Speaker 6: follow me. What what name?
Speaker 2: What name?
Speaker 4: Frater freighter gin.
Speaker 5: That's a very pop right, that's kind of right.
Speaker 6: I mean they're all they're all talking about it, though,
Speaker 6: they're all being like, oh, we remake and.
Speaker 1: We'll call Nick Broyer Nick, and we'll call Heidi Sawyer Heidi.
Speaker 2: Because see, if you know, if you realize I've I've
Speaker 2: already changed my name. I don't think anybody knows since
Speaker 2: people can just call themselves doctors and they're not. And
Speaker 2: I'm going to say I'm a cardinal.
Speaker 5: We're a doctor, right, you're not a doctor.
Speaker 2: No, no, but I mean if you don't have to be,
Speaker 2: you could just clease, I guess. So, yeah, I'm a cardinal,
Speaker 2: the cardinal with the ocult rejects. So now whenever I
Speaker 2: say anything anything occult, you can't even question me because
Speaker 2: I have that fake name.
Speaker 1: We have to now listen, since we're all a cult rejects.
Speaker 1: When we come on, we have to say, we have
Speaker 1: to give our homage to Cardinal Nick.
Speaker 6: There some of the stupidest shi do every episode whenever Nick, you.
Speaker 1: Yea cardinal, fe over here.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 6: I respect the hierarchy.
Speaker 4: I have no idea there once like what the hell
Speaker 4: are they?
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I I'm all for the I'm all
Speaker 8: for like titles before your name. Just everybody's a doctor
Speaker 8: until proven otherwise, and.
Speaker 4: Usually they prove otherwise.
Speaker 8: So yeah, sorry, because they just make ones on Twitter.
Speaker 8: You go on there and big guy with like sixty
Speaker 8: thousand followers, it's like, hey, guys, take every shot right now,
Speaker 8: everything or I'll and they just do that and you're like,
Speaker 8: what are your credentials?
Speaker 1: And they're like just just some demons.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm a democrat.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, exactly, I'm a doctor obviously that's my that's
Speaker 8: my crentel.
Speaker 4: So you know, if you could if there as much
Speaker 4: of a doctor as you are a cardinal.
Speaker 1: So well, I am a nurse and I really am
Speaker 1: a nurse. So there's that and that's true. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: actually I found it funny the other day because there
Speaker 1: was an explanation that I'd never heard before, and I
Speaker 1: wondered if it was because I actually am in the
Speaker 1: medical field.
Speaker 7: But that was just my suspect. So we can cut
Speaker 7: this part out.
Speaker 5: Not the vice president. I'm not just playing with I
Speaker 5: wish you were ye.
Speaker 4: Vote for you start, just run, dude.
Speaker 2: And Jin is going by Friday. Jin Now, so.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I didn't change it.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: It changed. That shouldn't be, but it makes so much
Speaker 1: more sense.
Speaker 6: I don't want to join an order.
Speaker 2: I already got.
Speaker 4: You, guys.
Speaker 7: Everybody both in the l d S do.
Speaker 1: If you go back to the olden days of Joseph Smith,
Speaker 1: they did call each other Broyer and Sawyer. In the
Speaker 1: Mormon f l d S Church, they still do. And
Speaker 1: if you know about magical orders, as Nick and j J,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Jin, you guys know that's a magical name. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well even in the in the O t O, well
Speaker 2: you got a brother and the sister and once you
Speaker 2: become a member, yep.
Speaker 1: But they literally say Broyer and Sawyer still in that family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you're good. I just I find it fascinating. And
Speaker 1: I only know that because my sister married U, one
Speaker 1: of the top pluggies out there. So no disrespect to anybody.
Speaker 1: But he was Warren just nephew, so oh yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's a nice guy. He's out, he's out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it got weird, I'll say, I mean that's
Speaker 4: that's that's a connection.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I well it was. And and poor him
Speaker 7: because like what did he ever do?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 7: He just trying to get out but someone's name.
Speaker 1: But he went to Texas well, I mean he was
Speaker 1: in it, and he wrote a book about this. But
Speaker 1: he went to Texas and he was part of the
Speaker 1: whole thing. And then he got kicked out and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. But he was named in all the books
Speaker 1: when they arrested him, so they wouldn't give his kids
Speaker 1: back because they thought that he was in on stuff.
Speaker 7: He was supposed to be one of the next profits.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, it was a whole sounds like some
Speaker 5: politics want to play a role in that too, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't get him back. They gave him back
Speaker 1: to the Plagamis people. I was like, what, why would
Speaker 1: you just give him back to her? She's just gonna
Speaker 1: He never saw him again for eight years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like scientology and their disconnections, right.
Speaker 1: It was. They gave away his wife before he even
Speaker 1: drove home. He got in trouble. He was supposed to
Speaker 1: report to the Brethren, and before he even got there,
Speaker 1: they had already moved his wife, give her away, give
Speaker 1: his kids away.
Speaker 5: Damn. They're expedient, nothing else. They're fast.
Speaker 6: They got to make prove it proves that scientology is
Speaker 6: using the same framework.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so that that's what makes me get real
Speaker 3: weird about life when I see an offshoot of scientology
Speaker 3: Nexium aka what I like to now call the Albany
Speaker 3: Chapter of the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. They
Speaker 3: never closed, they just morphed into the Nexium. They're you know,
Speaker 3: on paper, they're you know, squirrels if you will, Scientologists
Speaker 3: using l Ron's practices outside of Scientology.
Speaker 4: They call them squirrels.
Speaker 5: So you know, Keith Raniery was up there, squirrel and
Speaker 5: not to be confused with Richard Gear and his jerbilin.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe maybe.
Speaker 4: They didn't say don't don't roll it out, don't roll
Speaker 4: it out.
Speaker 3: Can't be certain, So it's weird when they're down there
Speaker 3: in Mexico running child sex trafficking operations, you know the stuff.
Speaker 3: Wheer he got convicted for Alison Mack, you know, rolled
Speaker 3: over on them about the they're employing nannies from the lebarn.
Speaker 7: You do not want them watching your kids. They might
Speaker 7: be dead when you get.
Speaker 5: Neary wanted and watch good. They're the same. There's some
Speaker 5: young lady.
Speaker 2: Ohs got him?
Speaker 7: God, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, j J come back, come up back thought, Yes,
Speaker 3: those next to Nanny's from Albany to Mexico, the child
Speaker 3: forms of Mexico to the headquarters of their mothership in Albany.
Speaker 4: Half Moon Lake I think is the name of the
Speaker 4: town outside of Albany.
Speaker 7: Connection that is weird.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were employing those girls as nannies and they
Speaker 5: get marked when We'renier he's on trial, they get marked
Speaker 5: right by a Mexican drugs.
Speaker 1: The barons, the lebarons don't have any problem marking anybody on.
Speaker 3: Well, they were a little baron. I mean they may
Speaker 3: it may have been you telling me this is a
Speaker 3: Mormon meadows At massacre situation.
Speaker 2: Oh that is such an interesting there there is.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's nineteen barons. Mormon masters don't even considered that.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, weirdest about that the metal those massacre.
Speaker 4: So you're saying it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't the Mexican drug card tales. The the Bears did themselves.
Speaker 3: Damn it, Heidi, that's a good point.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yo, doesn't that ship for around then he's on.
Speaker 3: They're getting hammed up up there in court in New
Speaker 3: York City for all these child sex trafficking.
Speaker 5: These girls were witnesses.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: They have no problem taking out their own and they
Speaker 1: have proved it in the past.
Speaker 5: So that's a great point. This is a great point.
Speaker 2: I find that situation where you say, Nick, I think
Speaker 2: I find that situation very very weird. That whole metal
Speaker 2: metal uh whatever Mountain massacre.
Speaker 1: We're actually talking about the La Bearon massacre. There the
Speaker 1: le barons shot each other up, brothers and everything. We
Speaker 1: should do a show on that.
Speaker 3: Because Oh yeah, they were themselves, weren't they. That's right, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: they were killing within the family.
Speaker 2: Was Joseph Smith around the idea?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Was it was Joseph Smith around during that time.
Speaker 7: No, this was a bri Brigham job.
Speaker 3: Brigham boy, the Mormon Meadows massacer, the old the old
Speaker 3: false flag where the Natives did it, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 5: That again and like you know the Mexican Drug Hotel.
Speaker 1: They've been playing that game for a long time because uh,
Speaker 1: well we know that Joseph's great great grandpa was the.
Speaker 7: Head of the Boston Tea Party.
Speaker 1: And what did they do. They blamed it on the
Speaker 1: Native Americans.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they just like to do that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the playbook for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So isn't the dates on that Metal Mountain Metal Metal
Speaker 2: Mountain Metals massacre.
Speaker 7: It's September eleventh, Yeah.
Speaker 2: They said it's anyway, it's between September seventh and or
Speaker 2: the eleventh.
Speaker 7: I've seen and I'm like, well eleventh is the massacred date.
Speaker 2: And that was like, but if you if you incorporate
Speaker 2: the seventh, that also takes out Building seven. So I
Speaker 2: mean it's even more symbolism. And I've always like found
Speaker 2: it interesting. How you did you get the m M
Speaker 2: M that I'm not saying that's directly well metal mountain, right,
Speaker 2: is that what it's called? Mountain mountain metals massa. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there were three, And you have Oliver Croadery, which is
Speaker 2: very close to the crowdy. So I do I do
Speaker 2: wonder about him honestly ripping off Mormon history in his ship.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, like Mormon stuff I think he has.
Speaker 7: I think he has.
Speaker 6: Well, that's kind of the idea, right, they recycle the
Speaker 6: same the masters sent this over and over and over
Speaker 6: our masters. Yeah, I actually prefer different stuff for us.
Speaker 4: So but no, uh no, it makes sense.
Speaker 6: They're recycling the same Western westward story.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: They're playing out the biblical narrative right as they go,
Speaker 6: you know, like they're saying it's real. They're saying, Okay,
Speaker 6: maybe it's real, maybe it's not real, but it happened here.
Speaker 6: So like Utah is the center. But then we also
Speaker 6: know that there's like some kind of longitudinal line or
Speaker 6: something that they thought was magical that connects Utah to
Speaker 6: Mexico City. So I mean that basically explains like Mormonism
Speaker 6: in a nutshell they're like magicians who prefer like a
Speaker 6: particular lay line.
Speaker 3: You're saying, massacre situations like a like a psio psychodrama.
Speaker 3: It's not just a sciop but it's an a cult
Speaker 3: written psychodrama.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's how I think, that's how Mormons
Speaker 6: like things. But it can also be it can just
Speaker 6: be the way they describe things too, Like people can
Speaker 6: totally lie right in fiction. That's the power of fiction.
Speaker 6: That's why. That's why, like you know, was saying, like
Speaker 6: all the pulp writers they started with each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I was just thinking, this is
Speaker 2: like really weird, Like, let's let's Jones today, that Crowley
Speaker 2: was pulling some ideas from those stories. Then when we
Speaker 2: go to nine eleven in our nine to eleven and
Speaker 2: all the plane numbers are associated with curly books, what
Speaker 2: the fuck out of the fuck does that happen? Now
Speaker 2: he's still a connection between both is.
Speaker 7: Because the next magicians tip their hat to him.
Speaker 6: No, Nine eleven was obviously Babylon working.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's all hat.
Speaker 6: The buildings you could say were the Kaba. They even
Speaker 6: were black tinted and they had gold compressed Sufi writing, right.
Speaker 7: They had the twin in gold.
Speaker 6: So that's very like Merkaba in Saudi Arabia. That's very tifferatic. Actually,
Speaker 6: people often think it's like Black Keep of Saturn, and yeah,
Speaker 6: there's an element of that, but really, because it's glass,
Speaker 6: you have to say it's more tifferratic, it's more brittle,
Speaker 6: it's more of the sun, it's more easily destroyable. So
Speaker 6: they obviously were like and those were built in like
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, by the Rock Brothers, whould like to
Speaker 3: point out that Old Nelson was one heartbeat away from
Speaker 3: being president. His long lifelong dream just happened to be
Speaker 3: two Manson girls try to pop off Old Gerald.
Speaker 6: Ford they were president, destroyed it Psycha to usher in
Speaker 6: the new ann Right, that's what this is all about. Yeah,
Speaker 6: imagine that has different preferences of like what they think
Speaker 6: that will be yep.
Speaker 1: Well, and especially yeah, when you study the parchments, Joseph's
Speaker 1: ideals were very different than Brigham's. I would love to
Speaker 1: see what his family parchments are, but we will never know, uh,
Speaker 1: because they don't exist.
Speaker 2: Apparently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm completely sold that that was in the nine
Speaker 3: to eleven situation was the Thlea mc ritual, this Babylon
Speaker 3: work and stuff you're talking about here and sounds about
Speaker 3: what I what I recall reading about in Wayne Ramsay's book,
Speaker 3: and he sld me.
Speaker 5: Then that sold me on that idea.
Speaker 3: Years ago, And then you know, I've been long convinced
Speaker 3: that Barbara Bush is the is the daughter of Crowley.
Speaker 6: Heard this and I'm not against it.
Speaker 5: The definitive prove.
Speaker 3: Their circumstantial evidence based upon his journals and the dates
Speaker 3: in which they were in the same house and the
Speaker 3: sex magic he was writing about doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, sorry to do now.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that seems like it's not even just
Speaker 3: the date of her birth and that her mother knew him.
Speaker 3: It's like they're in the same house. He's writing about
Speaker 3: doing sex rituals with the women in the house, and
Speaker 3: then the dates matchup.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm. And she looks just like them, Yeah she does.
Speaker 3: She does look just like very strapping, very very uh
Speaker 3: gorgeous lady, very man lady, gorgeous man, lady guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's even scarier. Some of George's daughters looked just
Speaker 3: like him, like Lord of Mercy. That's a strong gene
Speaker 3: they got there in that grew Jane, you.
Speaker 7: Better to look like George.
Speaker 6: In my opinion, Well, that's it's very you know, it's
Speaker 6: like very like I'm going to plant my seeds all
Speaker 6: over the world, very literal way to say it, like
Speaker 6: a more interesting I think this is more me. But
Speaker 6: I think it's more interesting to do it with words,
Speaker 6: because words are actually the seeds if you really understand,
Speaker 6: if you really have the understanding. No, but words are
Speaker 6: really the seeds. So it's not it's just conceptual, right,
Speaker 6: it's not. It's not literal impregnation. But a lot of
Speaker 6: them take it to mean that because you know, they're
Speaker 6: not very conceptual and they're thinking.
Speaker 7: I guess they're literal. They're literalists, say one.
Speaker 6: They're literalists, just like another podcaster that we know, he's
Speaker 6: like very literalist with Book of.
Speaker 1: No No.
Speaker 6: Not him, there's a different one. But JJ famously asked
Speaker 6: me if he was a Mormon on Live Oh, because
Speaker 6: he takes it very seriously, like he takes it almost literally,
Speaker 6: like he's saying about like real whatever all that stuff.
Speaker 4: And nice guy. I was joking with him.
Speaker 3: But when after the show, you know, obviously I saw
Speaker 3: in his philosophies of the philosophies of Mormonism, and so
Speaker 3: I jokingly, what do you Mormon? And after the show,
Speaker 3: Jenson message is like, I think that guy might be
Speaker 3: warm like you saw it too, Okay, that the only
Speaker 3: one definitely gnostic now, but yeah, and that is that
Speaker 3: is really what the Mormon. A lot of the stuff
Speaker 3: he was saying that it was that I recognized for
Speaker 3: Mormonism is Nassism. And a lot of in the battlefield
Speaker 3: Earth too, right with all these mining up planets and
Speaker 3: these present planet ideas, right, these are all gnostic ideas.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean again, and that not to beat
Speaker 2: a dead horse here, and you know it, JJ really
Speaker 2: is the one who said this. I just like to
Speaker 2: repeat it more. But but you said something along this lines,
Speaker 2: you know when you really saw looking at like uh,
Speaker 2: kind of like a lot of conspiracy theories and if
Speaker 2: you start throwing in you know, Christ in there, you
Speaker 2: get a lot of like Mormon is a gnosticism. And
Speaker 2: I don't think like the conspiracy community actually realizes how
Speaker 2: indoctrinated they've actually already been.
Speaker 1: And then I have a show coming up on this,
Speaker 1: you guys, it's very gnostic Mormons.
Speaker 6: Because Nassism is really interesting, and it's because they made
Speaker 6: it taboo. I'm not even saying the institutional church. I'm
Speaker 6: just saying that there's been a cultural shift to kind
Speaker 6: of make it transgressive cool, you know, like there's the
Speaker 6: timing of the books and like even the texts that
Speaker 6: are preferenced like that have been translated and distributed widely,
Speaker 6: like even in use by some of the guys who
Speaker 6: run the nastic churches, like Nick. You just had one
Speaker 6: on that he runs that kind of nasticky church. So
Speaker 6: but those aren't even the whole around.
Speaker 2: That was great. When I asked him about that, that
Speaker 2: face he made it that played it it wasn't important.
Speaker 5: I'm like, come on, He's like, I do have it
Speaker 5: on a mount He's like, waite, and I shouldn't tell you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you even see his face. Je. Sorry that we interrupted.
Speaker 2: It was just so obvious question.
Speaker 6: No, but I think that people like like he I
Speaker 6: don't agree with his interpretation of nascism at all, just
Speaker 6: to go on the record and say it like I
Speaker 6: don't agree.
Speaker 5: I agree with you not agreeing. I listened to that
Speaker 5: interview and I was not agree with any of it.
Speaker 6: Like I'm not literalist at all. I don't think it's
Speaker 6: meant to be transgressive. I think it's talking about Christianity
Speaker 6: in just like a very esoteric way. I don't think
Speaker 6: it's wrong. I actually think it aligns very much with
Speaker 6: the we'll call it coubleistic intentions of like Christian thurgy
Speaker 6: or Christian hermeticism, whether you're talking about Pico or more
Speaker 6: orthodox stuff, I think it perfectly aligns with that. I
Speaker 6: think it's just all about how you interpret it, Like
Speaker 6: do you ter interpret it as like what the bad
Speaker 6: kids do? Because if you interpret it like that, you're
Speaker 6: going to be like more into the sex stuff, into
Speaker 6: the more transgressive stuff. But actually the text for what
Speaker 6: we have, even if they're fragments, they explain this. They
Speaker 6: say like a lot of the there's even a part
Speaker 6: of Hyposthis of the Arkons where this angel says to Nuri.
Speaker 6: He goes like everything that the Arcons have said is
Speaker 6: a lie, and lies are contained in words m meaning
Speaker 6: they say about people.
Speaker 2: All lies.
Speaker 1: They always lie. Just remember that, you, guys, if you
Speaker 1: think you're a magician, or you think that angels or
Speaker 1: whatever have your best interests at heart, always remember these
Speaker 1: stories and about John D. They lie their ass off,
Speaker 1: so there's that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I mean even look at I mean
Speaker 2: they were they were known for lying and scamming John
Speaker 2: D and Kelly.
Speaker 1: So yep, well interesting, very interesting. I did not read
Speaker 1: the book, but I'm glad I was here for this
Speaker 1: chat because it's been fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: If I could say one thing about the pulp, I'm
Speaker 8: going down like a pulp or like kind of a
Speaker 8: nineteen hundred's pulp rabbit hole here.
Speaker 4: You know who else started.
Speaker 8: Writing in the pulps was Michael p Hodell. I don't
Speaker 8: know if you know the last name Hodell. It is
Speaker 8: the apparently the son I think he's There was a
Speaker 8: thing about Michael p Hodell who was born and people
Speaker 8: don't know who is actual father, as people say it's
Speaker 8: John Houston a lot of people and everybody knows how
Speaker 8: weird John Houston is. But Hodell, the name George Hodell
Speaker 8: was cleared from the Black Dahlia murder, which, if anybody
Speaker 8: doesn't know anything about the Black Dahia murder, only a
Speaker 8: few people could have committed it, like surgeon right, just
Speaker 8: only a few people. And George Hodell was the only
Speaker 8: guy in my opinion that was actually the suspect that
Speaker 8: could have actually done the or what it could have
Speaker 8: the body could have been taken. James Elroy wrote historical
Speaker 8: fiction that suggests suggests a kind of inbred child who
Speaker 8: nobody knows where he came from, was from a rich family,
Speaker 8: kind of inbred child, which leads me to the Hodell
Speaker 8: kind of situation John Houston stuff where he killed the body,
Speaker 8: you know what, was a very disgusting sex crime obviously,
Speaker 8: and then the body was prepared then after that and
Speaker 8: then got it and stuff. So it's all these people
Speaker 8: start in the pulps and and then this guy wrote
Speaker 8: in Weird Tales, which Weird Tales lovecraft that's a big
Speaker 8: love crafting thing. So it doesn't have a lot to
Speaker 8: do with l Ron Hubbard, but it's like a whole.
Speaker 3: Nother super interesting though I love I might have more
Speaker 3: than you know, WELLO loves Lovecraft with the Typhoni and folks,
Speaker 3: the two offshoot.
Speaker 6: Well, Alron is a lot more tied. End if we
Speaker 6: listened to what Dana said say, Dana said that al
Speaker 6: Ron was the father of Mike Lockino.
Speaker 5: She's she's building a stronger case as time goes by that.
Speaker 3: It's something she she alleges, and there's some circumstantial evidence
Speaker 3: to support that there is for sure.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm not saying I believe it or not. I'm
Speaker 6: just speculative.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, well, it makes it kind of kind
Speaker 3: of tracks along with this whole club of this network.
Speaker 3: So when I say club with this network. So John Houston,
Speaker 3: George Hotellen, Gang Hodell being the the abortion doc.
Speaker 4: To the stars of you Will he lived in the
Speaker 4: canyon by the way, all Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he lived in that that uh mayan him right,
Speaker 3: the what's the name of that dude, the famous architect
Speaker 3: Frank Lloyd? Right, thank you, sir Brinkley. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: strange as.
Speaker 6: Little Yeah, that's that's a very old house. If you
Speaker 6: if you kind of know what he was into it
Speaker 6: kind of it's like you can tell it's like that's
Speaker 6: an occultis house for sure.
Speaker 4: If I had.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you, you both nailed. That's
Speaker 3: exactly I was getting. It's a moment to do a
Speaker 3: ritual human sacrifice in this mind temple.
Speaker 4: What are we talking about? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So John Houston's underling was Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 8: Yes, oh, absolutely, he made his longest relationship was with
Speaker 8: Angelica Houston.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 8: And yeah, then we bring in Roman plans with the
Speaker 8: fate pcident at that Angela Houston and Jack Nicholson's house.
Speaker 4: But George, George.
Speaker 3: Hotel, don't forget Bob Cocaine Evans in that group there
Speaker 3: were he was off in that mix as well. Well,
Speaker 3: i's got to give credit to him and all these
Speaker 3: sort of.
Speaker 4: And you keep everybody high the whole time too, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, and Jack Nicholson's history is the same as Ted
Speaker 1: Bundy's where my Mom's my grand My Grandma's my Mom, and.
Speaker 8: Then the movie My Mom Grandma and then the movie
Speaker 8: about incest murder. So it's just like you know, this
Speaker 8: is from Tellers of Weird Tales, this old blog. It's
Speaker 8: a good blog. But George Hodell fathered eleven children by
Speaker 8: five women. He had four sons with Dorothy Harvey Houston,
Speaker 8: ex wife of movie director John Houston. Steve Hodell was
Speaker 8: born in November nineteen forty one. He had a twin
Speaker 8: brother who died in infancy. Another dead kid, Kelvin Hodell,
Speaker 8: born in October nineteen forty two, is the youngest. The
Speaker 8: oldest boy was Michael P. Hodell, born on July twelfth,
Speaker 8: nineteen thirty nine. According to Steve Hodell, his father and
Speaker 8: John Houston had questions about Michael's parentage. Finally, Dorothy Harvey
Speaker 8: Houston told her husband, forget it, John, He's not your son.
Speaker 4: So these are all yeah, this is it's all weird, like, yeah.
Speaker 5: It's all thanks cold bits, right, all much sex culture,
Speaker 5: all banging each other.
Speaker 8: What about Tomorrow Hodell. Yeah, I don't know much about
Speaker 8: Tomorrow Hodell, but that's it. There's a lot there it is. Yeah,
Speaker 8: there it is. I see it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, sounds like they were having a hoe down. I
Speaker 7: mean Hodell, right.
Speaker 3: You know it Hollywood style right in the Mayan Temple.
Speaker 3: But so Tomorrow Hodell, I believe, would go on to
Speaker 3: take on John Phillips' daughter. After John Phillips is raping
Speaker 3: his daughter. You know, mister he was fine. He was
Speaker 3: financing the process of Lax Saviti's mister Moms in the
Speaker 3: papas the Phillips Tomorrow Hodell connection. So I believe the
Speaker 3: story goes he was raping his daughter and Tomorrow's like, well,
Speaker 3: my dad used to rape me, so you can come
Speaker 3: in with me now says your dad's raping you.
Speaker 5: You know that kind of deal, one of them deals.
Speaker 5: It came like a surrogate mother too, I believe.
Speaker 6: Well that was a big part of ideology. Right, it's
Speaker 6: like eroding it seems to be right, it seems to
Speaker 6: be Yeah.
Speaker 8: And also the person who took over the Black Dahlia murder,
Speaker 8: the person who took over the Black Dahlia murder case
Speaker 8: after a long time Steve Hodell, son of George Hodell.
Speaker 8: And it also was the Rodney Alcala case, the uh,
Speaker 8: the dating game, killer guy. So it's kind of weird,
Speaker 8: weird a lot of Hodell family, you know. I mean
Speaker 8: that that's it's very like programmed to kill kind of territory.
Speaker 8: But like it's it's very very the Hodell family is
Speaker 8: very interest because I met when we're talking about pulps.
Speaker 8: I was like, I know, there was like a one
Speaker 8: more thing and you know with this, but Elroy got
Speaker 8: pretty closely in the Black Dahia. If you read the
Speaker 8: Black Dahlia, his his idea of what happens kind of
Speaker 8: his dondolo libra kind of situation for the Black Dahlia
Speaker 8: murder and I'm like he's onto something there, because.
Speaker 4: The whole like inbred child like mutilating.
Speaker 8: A girl and then preparing her for a you know,
Speaker 8: another ritual, kind of surgical ritual and stuff like that
Speaker 8: kind of kind of tracks to me, honestly more than.
Speaker 4: Any a lot of.
Speaker 6: Well, I think there's something interesting with what Glenn said,
Speaker 6: Like there's this kind of very love crafty and element
Speaker 6: to the pulps, and then you can look at like
Speaker 6: Marvel DC. Obviously I'm now you're talking about language, right,
Speaker 6: because that's like the positivistic version for the most part,
Speaker 6: like most of those heroes are actually heroes, even if
Speaker 6: they're a little complicated in silver age, right, like sixty
Speaker 6: seventy stuff, like they're yeah, they get a little complicated,
Speaker 6: but for the most part, heroes are heroes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So you know that's kind of the positivistic lens, and
Speaker 6: people are always like, oh, yeah, that's so culted.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 6: It's very you know, it's very innochy, and it's very
Speaker 6: like shem adamanteene Man. I mean, there's so many characters
Speaker 6: that fit that role, Captain Marvel, Superman, Wolverine, I mean
Speaker 6: Wolverine exactly, he's a literal Adamante man. So I mean,
Speaker 6: you have all these ideas that it's basically the same
Speaker 6: character but he's kind of recycled. But he's generally a
Speaker 6: good guy. But then you have like the love crafty
Speaker 6: and things where it's like, oh yeah, you can bend
Speaker 6: the rules here because reality is malleable. Reality is like
Speaker 6: just what you make of it. Reality is like what
Speaker 6: your parents tell you it is, and like we don't
Speaker 6: like our parents like that. It's like a daddy God issue.
Speaker 6: But you're using kind of magic.
Speaker 7: To mill Disney Disney all day long.
Speaker 8: You can put that on Private Detective too. Private Detective
Speaker 8: is like I'm going to solve this murder my way.
Speaker 2: Oops.
Speaker 8: You know, just a lot of these these things and
Speaker 8: it taps into a different male fantasy of of.
Speaker 4: That of that element. So it's like, man, the pulps,
Speaker 4: the pups need to be studied. M I agree.
Speaker 3: It's some good stuff there. I think a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: I discussed that a lot of operations GCD. We just
Speaker 3: uh recently did a n cold esoteric view of The
Speaker 3: Golden Child m H six cinematic masterpiece starring Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was very interesting from there.
Speaker 6: Well, I listened to Ken McLeod give an interview, like
Speaker 6: several interviews, just like I did, but for Glenn and
Speaker 6: for obviously Jdo is coming on my show very soon,
Speaker 6: so I had to listen to that. And he's on
Speaker 6: Rare Candy a lot, so right, so I so, you know,
Speaker 6: so I had to as I've been listening, so it's
Speaker 6: the same thing. So I listened to him before I
Speaker 6: did that episode. He is a very interesting person the
Speaker 6: way he speaks, Ken McLeod. He's like talking about Buddhism.
Speaker 6: He says he's a Buddhist, that no reason not to
Speaker 6: believe him, but he's really talking about magic. He almost
Speaker 6: doesn't hide it. He's almost talking about like postconceptually, like
Speaker 6: how I try not to do because then people think
Speaker 6: I'm being like too you know, in the suffer or whatever.
Speaker 6: But he he does it. So I was just thinking
Speaker 6: that the whole time that we did that episode, is
Speaker 6: like how profound it is that he so many people
Speaker 6: can can he him to the realizations, but it can
Speaker 6: also just be of your own power. It doesn't require spirits,
Speaker 6: doesn't require cults, doesn't require like on Rare Candy. I'll
Speaker 6: just use the example just because I've been listening to
Speaker 6: it and it's like kind of in my headspe they
Speaker 6: talk about like the psychedelic experiences, So I I've had them,
Speaker 6: but I didn't have anything profound really happened. But then
Speaker 6: when I've had magical experiences, that's like what Nick Saw
Speaker 6: was talking about it, that's much more profound for me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I know my co host on Ray
Speaker 8: Andy does remote viewing. I mean, he was straight up
Speaker 8: does it. He does it to as as predictive, like
Speaker 8: a predictive element, and like tests it out and spreadsheets
Speaker 8: it out and stuff, and uh, he applies it to
Speaker 8: like sports because there's a there's a binary like win
Speaker 8: loss metric to it and stuff, and that's where he
Speaker 8: gets a lot of his I mean he has. He
Speaker 8: used to do a lot of psychedelics back in the day,
Speaker 8: but now it's it's all this like he's just he'll
Speaker 8: just like drink some like green tea or something and
Speaker 8: do like remote viewing and he has far more crazy
Speaker 8: experiences with that, and it's you know, I know, there's
Speaker 8: there's obviously a lot of dubious stuff that's done with
Speaker 8: with that type of SI. I mean, that's his name
Speaker 8: on the show. But it's with a lot of the
Speaker 8: actual like parapsychology and stuff. But I mean there's something there.
Speaker 1: I know that I know that you wouldn't be Yeah,
Speaker 1: Andrea Poohovich is your answer on that, Andrea, A lot
Speaker 1: of scientologys involved in this.
Speaker 3: From viewing the guys who perpetrated this through Sri, I
Speaker 3: who are You're a Geller's.
Speaker 1: Handler's Well, you're a Geller's handler was Andreavich.
Speaker 5: This was after he be parted ways. He went over
Speaker 5: there to see the scientologists.
Speaker 2: Ry.
Speaker 3: I can't think these are the guys that are perpetrating
Speaker 3: all these alien nonsense to the here today more to mercy.
Speaker 3: I can't think of their names. There's two signs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you sir. The Disclosure fellas hal put Off financed
Speaker 3: by the Rockefellers. Yeah project, by the way, that's how
Speaker 3: it got started with Stephen Greer and Gang, the same
Speaker 3: Rockfellers that we're talking about with the nine to eleven stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, Nelson and David's brother Lawrence in fact, with
Speaker 3: the specific financier of Stephen Greer and the Disclosure project.
Speaker 5: But relative to you know, well you now they got
Speaker 5: to talk about the Rockefellers.
Speaker 3: Isn't it weird how they're the ones financing all these
Speaker 3: ancient Allian cargo cult stuff. I often wonder their connections
Speaker 3: of scientology because they they funded Zacharai's session.
Speaker 4: They had Jordan Maxwell.
Speaker 3: He had an office in Rockefeller Center, right down the
Speaker 3: hall from Stitch, you know, and uh after he left
Speaker 3: the Mothership with the Jehovah's witnesses, and then you got
Speaker 3: Laurence Rockefeller financing career, and then what he finances this
Speaker 3: essentially goes in becomes Skinwalker Ranch.
Speaker 4: He finances the onset of that, the pretty big Olow
Speaker 4: era of that.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, so.
Speaker 5: A lot of weird stuff, a lot of weird Lenda
Speaker 5: Multon House, she comes out of that.
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah you're going to react that way.
Speaker 2: She gets, Oh shit, Yeah, she's something else. She's a
Speaker 2: funny one. I actually think those kind of mutilations are
Speaker 2: more of a cult symbolism than probably even Yeah, I
Speaker 2: like that idea.
Speaker 6: I agree with that, h especially if people are scared
Speaker 6: of it, because I would like amplify.
Speaker 5: Right, that's called fared, does it not?
Speaker 6: Especially if you have a mass. A mass populace is
Speaker 6: like yeah, we believe in aliens are coming down like
Speaker 6: literal aliens, right, well, what are aliens really?
Speaker 7: Because they call their god loheme. So I'm saying maybe.
Speaker 7: I think maybe it started.
Speaker 1: With a real situation and then they took it to
Speaker 1: the max capacity and used it for their own n
Speaker 1: occult you know, advancement. I mean, why wouldn't they.
Speaker 6: Because angels suppose it quote unquote air quotes JJ of
Speaker 6: have to do it for me air quotes, Angels tell
Speaker 6: you to do something, You don't have to do it,
Speaker 6: you have free will. Yeah, yeah, then that's like That's
Speaker 6: the thing that I think is actually interesting about some
Speaker 6: of the earlier Telema stuff is they emphasize this kind
Speaker 6: of idea of like no, you will, Like I've heard
Speaker 6: Nick say this a ten million times and even hear
Speaker 6: it in my head, like his voice and his accent
Speaker 6: saying it.
Speaker 2: But no.
Speaker 6: I think that that's interesting because it's like do you
Speaker 6: buy in? Like that's what Glenn said, Like how much
Speaker 6: buy in is you know, needed to make it work?
Speaker 6: And I think even the little bit buy in makes
Speaker 6: it work. But I think that the real idea is
Speaker 6: just like do you understand this beyond what they're doing
Speaker 6: like it. You can say it's just a fiction project,
Speaker 6: but there's always something greater. There's always like there's always
Speaker 6: a little ego there, like you're talking about different and
Speaker 6: just like joking about that, but yeah, there's something very
Speaker 6: egoists like I'm the you know, Cray, I'm the I'm
Speaker 6: the beast, I'm the you know, I'm the I'm the og.
Speaker 1: Just like Hubbard the Antichrist. And and then if they're not,
Speaker 1: if they're not a god, then they're the opposite. Right,
Speaker 1: But it's always one of the two. It's always one
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 5: Process, right, it's the the reconciliation of opposites.
Speaker 6: M hm, this is just a balistic sorry heading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was just gonna say Hubbard got his
Speaker 1: ideas no different than Joseph Smith got his ideas, no
Speaker 1: different than Crowley got his ideas, no different than John
Speaker 1: d got his ideas. You start messing with shit, you
Speaker 1: call shit down, they tell you to do something, and
Speaker 1: then they want you to write a book, but then
Speaker 1: swap wives or have sex with kids, and then bam, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's.
Speaker 6: How they interpret that exactly what as you just said,
Speaker 6: the reconciliation of opposites because this is like a primordial
Speaker 6: metaphysical truth. This this like transcends all traditions, like this
Speaker 6: idea we'd nick jokes synthesis, right, No.
Speaker 3: It's synthesis. I think that's the way I look at
Speaker 3: It's how they embody is living with nature. They have
Speaker 3: to do what nature does. It's the reconciliation of opposites.
Speaker 6: Right, but they take it to the extremes of those
Speaker 6: they prefer. We talked about it is like hode in
Speaker 6: net sock, like they really love they go creature, right,
Speaker 6: and then they also love like the kind of like
Speaker 6: the transgression like fun bliss in the world. Right, So
Speaker 6: they take those opposites, but it's really not it's really
Speaker 6: they're taking it as it's like they're the god kind
Speaker 6: of like I have what.
Speaker 1: You're saying, I interrupt you.
Speaker 7: Well, here's one thing I know in scientology.
Speaker 1: I was looking up they say that, okay, that the
Speaker 1: advanced whatever what are they called?
Speaker 4: The Theatans live in the schoolans.
Speaker 1: Live in the skull and and boy did that ding
Speaker 1: me for why they have Geronimo's skull and skull and bones?
Speaker 7: Like I was like, is this why they have this?
Speaker 4: Like like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter what we believe.
Speaker 4: It matters what they believe.
Speaker 1: We're back to that. And so I was like, is
Speaker 1: that why they're doing this with that? And they still
Speaker 1: won't give it back because they gave back a school,
Speaker 1: but it was a child's school, that's bs And so
Speaker 1: it just goes right back to school and bones and
Speaker 1: and it's always older than religion. It's always older, just
Speaker 1: like you guys are saying, it's it's it's not it's
Speaker 1: not one thing, it's it's something way bigger, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's synthesis.
Speaker 7: So and for me, it always goes back to Babylon.
Speaker 4: There you go, right, it's not the you know, it's
Speaker 4: not the other numbers.
Speaker 6: Yep, that's the one in this Its like these extremes
Speaker 6: and like the extremities of the tree. It's like it's
Speaker 6: truly that's where it is. And and they say, like
Speaker 6: all things are recupied in yourself and you sewed. So
Speaker 6: I don't know, Yeah, I think that they just take
Speaker 6: it way too extreme. I think they should all just
Speaker 6: be just like me, smoke some pot, be like okay in.
Speaker 7: The world, you know, settle down.
Speaker 1: Geezer Gin Yeah, they need to settle it down.
Speaker 6: And see that's why it can't be elder gin because yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm saying they all should follow Dharama. So I'm actually
Speaker 6: being like Darma, I'm Dharma pelling them all.
Speaker 3: Well, you might help them, That might be good if
Speaker 3: I may to finish my point on these folks being
Speaker 3: loney to these ideas we're discussed and here, like that's
Speaker 3: what I was gettingt with the remote viewing with how
Speaker 3: put off and is it scientology associate who they're basically
Speaker 3: the ones who ran these remote viewing projects, right, Like
Speaker 3: they're the ones who brought us these ideas, you know,
Speaker 3: Like is this some sort of weird magical ritual they're
Speaker 3: trying to perpetrate? Like I'm not saying folks don't have
Speaker 3: these abilities. What I'm saying is the way they've framed it,
Speaker 3: the way they're selling it to folks.
Speaker 6: They're trying to make people buy into their story, their
Speaker 6: version of events.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but is there something bigger to it? It seems
Speaker 5: like there's some removiewing.
Speaker 8: Remote viewing is better when everyone's doing it. It straight
Speaker 8: up works more when when there's more people doing it,
Speaker 8: Like sure, it just does so I mean, the idea
Speaker 8: is is like if you get everybody, I understand the
Speaker 8: co opting of it.
Speaker 4: I totally would. If I was in charge, I would
Speaker 4: be like, oh.
Speaker 3: That's exactly, that's exactly what is because I'm good with
Speaker 3: the mechanics, mind and what you're saying. The volume of
Speaker 3: folks do it. But yeah, it's the co opting, right,
Speaker 3: especially when you have Kevin Spacey and George Clooney perpetrating
Speaker 3: these ideas in a Hollywood film.
Speaker 1: Although they're ushering in fake disclosure so that everybody will
Speaker 1: believe that their God comes to get them with this
Speaker 1: whole project Bluebeam crap, and then they suck them all
Speaker 1: into the weird cyberspace.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, but in that book, even the even
Speaker 3: the film The Minute Sarah Goach is written by a
Speaker 3: creepy character named John Ronson. He's got a weird background.
Speaker 3: But the uh, nonetheless, it's again, what what are they
Speaker 3: trying to do here?
Speaker 4: Is this a program?
Speaker 3: It seems like a program. I can identify a program
Speaker 3: when I seen one, you know, the Mormon audis I'm
Speaker 3: talking about. I've seen these programs before. Organized stuff here.
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, they're like you know, they they're all in,
Speaker 6: I think a lot of them really believe in some
Speaker 6: weird shit like things that I would think are weird.
Speaker 6: And I'm pretty flexible that the way I think, so yeah.
Speaker 3: You know it was with these things, I just I
Speaker 3: just want to know what their stick is, like, what's
Speaker 3: their end game with doing the way they're the way
Speaker 3: they're framing it, the way they're packaging, and what's what's there.
Speaker 1: In Maybe they're just harnessing the energy from it. Once again,
Speaker 1: go well, there's that.
Speaker 4: I mean it.
Speaker 8: I had a military application, like a straight up like
Speaker 8: actual military application, and whatever you want to believe this or.
Speaker 4: Not is up to once but yeah, again it's this
Speaker 4: is something.
Speaker 8: There's a guy named Lynn Buchanan who was the I
Speaker 8: think the subject of the Men Who Scare Sterret Gootes.
Speaker 8: He was the guy one night that he had a
Speaker 8: uh I wish my co host s. I was you,
Speaker 8: you guys gotta have him on and talk to him
Speaker 8: about this. He's really good stuff and he uh he
Speaker 8: he basically did the whole I can't it's like the
Speaker 8: Drew barrymore like Stephen King firestarter thing with your mind.
Speaker 8: I can't remember the rage thing. So he had this
Speaker 8: like fit of rage over this random, just dumb like
Speaker 8: military occurrence that happened, and like, and then the power searches, right,
Speaker 8: guess what, there's a guy with the clipboard going, that's interesting.
Speaker 8: Let's bring that guy in right here. So they do
Speaker 8: the whole viewing process with all with this guy, which
Speaker 8: I assume it already existed. I don't think this is
Speaker 8: lind Buk. It was very x Men, very like x
Speaker 8: Men kind of recruitment thing, and yeah, this guy was
Speaker 8: already not the highest level in the military at all.
Speaker 8: They bring this guy in and say, okay, we're looking
Speaker 8: to find we're gonna use our data cross checked with
Speaker 8: some other thing, with somebody else's data, and then your
Speaker 8: remote viewing thing. If all three of those things check out,
Speaker 8: we're going to invade this.
Speaker 4: We are going to go do this. We're gonna go
Speaker 4: handle this situation. That's just what he was saying.
Speaker 8: This dude's saying the shit on like podcasts like nothing
Speaker 8: like he and I believe it to an extent. Now,
Speaker 8: I'm sure it's much bigger than that obviously, Like it's
Speaker 8: never just going to be used in that whole Like
Speaker 8: we need to get here, how do we get here
Speaker 8: kind of situation. There's going to be this deeper meaning
Speaker 8: to it. But it has a direct military application, sure,
Speaker 8: and it's a big thing for gamblers now. Gamblers love
Speaker 8: doing it like it's it's a huge thing, like psychedelic
Speaker 8: gambling stuff is, which whatever energy that puts out in
Speaker 8: the world.
Speaker 3: That happened, I did not know that. Yeah, it invaded
Speaker 3: the gambling community. No, it's selling military stuff. And you're
Speaker 3: talking about the army operation and that was the minister
Speaker 3: ghost technically speaking, was the army operation. SRI predated that
Speaker 3: the scientologists did, That's what I'm saying. So their stuff
Speaker 3: was based up on the SRI stuff of how put
Speaker 3: off and interesting in.
Speaker 5: Friend Yeah, and Elron Geller.
Speaker 4: El Ron Hubbard, I know, the whole time law thing.
Speaker 8: But he's spent what the whole sixties, like sailing the
Speaker 8: whole time, and you just wonder, like what he's doing
Speaker 8: on that ship the whole time, dude just probably just
Speaker 8: probably just some sort of like mass conscious event type
Speaker 8: situation that he was trying to trying to conduct on it.
Speaker 5: He was doing somewhere else.
Speaker 4: He wasn't just on the ocean. He was in London,
Speaker 4: m oh go ahead, Jane.
Speaker 6: No, I'm just saying that what Glenn said, that's the
Speaker 6: end goal, Like that would be the end goal to
Speaker 6: have like a total buy in by like maybe you
Speaker 6: could say a.
Speaker 4: Small no outside, nothing outside you just the water, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like you're hermeneutically sealed, because it's like how Heidi
Speaker 6: talks about like when you're born a Mormon, like in
Speaker 6: a more conservative Mormon family, you're not really allowed to
Speaker 6: have the outside influence this.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they cut it off and no, And I don't
Speaker 8: know if you guys have seen the Paul Thomas Anderson
Speaker 8: film The Master. That's oh yeah, that's l Ron Hubbard
Speaker 8: plus Thomas Pinsion, like parapolitical stuff essentially. Oh yeah, based
Speaker 8: off Thomasson's v Yeah, it's a great movie. And Philip
Speaker 8: Seymour Hoffin does a great Hubbard. He can't say he's
Speaker 8: doing it for all this legal liability stuff, but he's.
Speaker 4: Doing got murdered. You have to think.
Speaker 8: You have to think because you're light. I mean, because
Speaker 8: I never heard of a drug addiction to him. I
Speaker 8: maybe he did, but I was I was weird. It
Speaker 8: was taking crazy shots of heroin. They said, it was suicidal.
Speaker 3: But yeah, of course, yeah, but if you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's the perfect scientileicsy frame job because they don't understand
Speaker 3: drugs properly because they hate him, so they think it's
Speaker 3: some guy who did heroin twenty years ago. Is something
Speaker 3: going to go buy forty seven small baggies of heroin
Speaker 3: and then do a large volume of it and lying
Speaker 3: his bed with a bag.
Speaker 5: He's just kind of way across the belly, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? Like, yeah, that makes sense. That's what
Speaker 5: a drug overdose looks like. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is somebody who did not understand drug
Speaker 3: overdoses right literally had staged that drug overdose and so
Speaker 3: they weren't very smart about it, and they were you know,
Speaker 3: they weren't very uh surgical, if you will.
Speaker 8: And in that film, you get you get the classic
Speaker 8: scene from that film is when l Ron Hubbard is
Speaker 8: trying to heal el Ron Hubbard Carriatter is trying to
Speaker 8: heal a woman and just through talking to her while
Speaker 8: she's in some kind of in between state, and everybody
Speaker 8: in the rooms bought in except one guy. There's one
Speaker 8: guy that goes, huh, I don't know about that basically,
Speaker 8: and it ruins the entire thing, not because he's being
Speaker 8: called out as a fraud, but because you've ruined the
Speaker 8: whatever we were putting up. It was one guy that
Speaker 8: broke it down. So it's like, it's very interesting. It's
Speaker 8: a very interesting film. After what we've talked about today.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: I might watch it again after what we talked about today. Oh,
Speaker 4: I think it's a great film.
Speaker 3: And Paul Thomas Anderson and Philip Seymour Hoffman were high
Speaker 3: on my list of secret scientologists, largely due to their
Speaker 3: associations with Tom Cruise, but so I highly recommend Paul
Speaker 3: Thomas Anderson's You mentioned Thomas Bencheon Thomas Benscheon's novel and
Speaker 3: hair advice that he did. Great film tells the story
Speaker 3: of the Manson family and the processed church activities in
Speaker 3: around the Manson family in Los Angeles, including the maschinations
Speaker 3: of politics, the Cold activity, un trafficking.
Speaker 4: Vietnam drug trafficking. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's it's exactly how I described Narcanon. So
Speaker 3: they're part of the process that is described in that
Speaker 3: film of the organized crime outfit that I just was describing,
Speaker 3: which is representative of the actual process, and they're organized
Speaker 3: crime crime composite of how they work out. Well that
Speaker 3: they're talking about how they're getting hooked on the drugs
Speaker 3: then sending them, then they send them to get you know, to.
Speaker 4: The rehab right.
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly precisely what they're doing with Narcanon today.
Speaker 3: I mean, and like the majority of jurisdictions in America,
Speaker 3: you can get fooked on scientology just by inadvertently getting
Speaker 3: mandated to go to rehab from the court.
Speaker 6: Well there's something you said, Jaja, that's really interesting. I
Speaker 6: don't know about narcanon or that program at all, only
Speaker 6: from what I've heard from you, But alan On really
Speaker 6: storage stick.
Speaker 3: To it, Elder Jen, you know you're that way. Don't
Speaker 3: never get confused to be a scientilogist. Never heard of arcanon,
Speaker 3: Please tell me about it.
Speaker 6: No, I've heard of Narcanon. I don't know anything about
Speaker 6: like how to work it or anything. But I'm saying
Speaker 6: alan On the guy who did the alan On, So
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's the same foundation. And we'll
Speaker 6: call it I'll use a magic word. So he was
Speaker 6: drawing from magic. He was drawing from Melany P. Hall.
Speaker 6: He was talking about new thought. All those people like
Speaker 6: it because they had that stuff, like all that stuff
Speaker 6: that people talk about on Twitter, like manifestation. Yeah, they
Speaker 6: were talking about that in like eighteen seventy. Like that's
Speaker 6: old yeah to quote unquote term, I know your favorite
Speaker 6: Jjuo has accused me of being a zoomer or whatever.
Speaker 6: So like that's like old shit, that's like old fashioned stuff.
Speaker 6: So they're talking about like that's what he's talking about.
Speaker 6: He's like, make yourself better through the power of positive thinking.
Speaker 7: And so that does sound like a Mormon.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, well it's the nextus point between all those things,
Speaker 6: right because like going clear the same mighty in Kabala,
Speaker 6: like they're just they're teaching people metaphysics, but in like
Speaker 6: kind of a fucked up klipolithic way.
Speaker 8: Well, it sounds like you think there's a and I
Speaker 8: agree with you, there's a good utility for some of
Speaker 8: that stuff though, right, Like it's not.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I think I think your part at all.
Speaker 5: You don't.
Speaker 8: I'm on the same mind where I'm like everything this exists,
Speaker 8: this doesn't. I don't have to handle it with like Homer.
Speaker 8: I mean, maybe you do have to handle it with Claire,
Speaker 8: but like you don't have to dangerous. I think to
Speaker 8: seclude yourself or to like I should say, exclude yourself
Speaker 8: from a lot of this stuff would give off a fear,
Speaker 8: which fear then is almost like said with the cattle mutilations,
Speaker 8: kind of like whoa, what is that doing?
Speaker 1: You know? I never dark without the life?
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's never dark without life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right, right right.
Speaker 6: I have Heidi and JJ who like kind of hold
Speaker 6: me back from like full on a best siving and
Speaker 6: next like go for it.
Speaker 1: Even though he became an elder right before our eyes,
Speaker 1: we are holding gin back.
Speaker 6: Yep, No, I'm just seizing. But you guys your name, No,
Speaker 6: I'm like, but I'm very like, yeah, I think that
Speaker 6: people should at least study wisdom science be involved in
Speaker 6: a noetic process, because that's really what I was sure, right,
Speaker 6: it's like the the like learning about these things, like
Speaker 6: all the different texts and like, because then you can
Speaker 6: say like, oh, it's like, uh, I accidentally joke to
Speaker 6: this on one of the guests and he kind of
Speaker 6: got offended. But it's like where you have a citation
Speaker 6: and you go back and you look at the citation
Speaker 6: and the citation's not referring to what it's supposed to
Speaker 6: be referring to. It's like if you read the original text,
Speaker 6: then you can actually know what it says. You don't
Speaker 6: have to listen to someone's like third hand account.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 3: I often credit the mormontuch for the same way, and like, well,
Speaker 3: my morning upbringing had some good things too. I credit
Speaker 3: my conspiracy theory worldviews to my Mormon upbringing in their
Speaker 3: gnostic belief system, and it is a very nastic belief system,
Speaker 3: and you can see it through a lot of Mormon activities.
Speaker 3: Now they manifest differentely mine. They manifested in a farly
Speaker 3: different you know, man of the most or far different
Speaker 3: manner the most. A lot of folks just stack about
Speaker 3: three thousand jars of food in their basement. I took
Speaker 3: a different route with those with those perspective, I know,
Speaker 3: as I'm talking about, with all the food stores and
Speaker 3: preper stuff.
Speaker 4: But like so these are very very.
Speaker 3: Much ingrained in the values there, and there's a strong conspiracy.
Speaker 3: There's worldview, you know, if you will, through this gnostic worldview,
Speaker 3: So you know, I do, I do, I do appreciate that,
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of dark things about.
Speaker 6: The non sectarian Oscism is totally good, like where you
Speaker 6: don't take it crazy, but the problem is where you
Speaker 6: put it in like these containers you can say and
Speaker 6: like you say.
Speaker 4: Oh food.
Speaker 6: Well, there's elements of Mormonism that do make sense to me.
Speaker 6: I'm not again, but it does, like I'm just saying
Speaker 6: to it, but I don't agree with how they do it,
Speaker 6: Like I think it can just all be done conceptually,
Speaker 6: like in your mind. I don't think you need like
Speaker 6: all this you're.
Speaker 7: Should they do like yeah, and they need to be truthful.
Speaker 7: They're not truthful.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm just like, you know, if you want to
Speaker 6: be mas and just say like that's how I think
Speaker 6: of it. Let's just like just say what it is.
Speaker 6: You don't have to tell us like all about.
Speaker 7: It, but yeah, tell us what we're doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like people who are Mormons, they should be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you guys are actually learning Masonic ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I definitely deserve to know that I had Mason underwear
Speaker 1: on and I didn't even know what a Mason was.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's totally unfair Mormon Church. And that's
Speaker 1: why I'm coming for you every day straight from Utah.
Speaker 1: My neighbors hate me.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think we're gonna wrap it up here for
Speaker 2: you guys. Uh yeah, a little bit over two hours
Speaker 2: and uh I have to get going and so do I.
Speaker 2: So again, Glenn, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate.
Speaker 4: Anytime I felt like I was paled in comparison to
Speaker 4: you guys. But thank you.
Speaker 8: You guys open You guys don't realize like how many
Speaker 8: like doors you guys opened up just from just chatting.
Speaker 4: So that's why I love this medium platform.
Speaker 8: So anytime you guys gotta Yeah, first off, you guys
Speaker 8: got to have my co hosts really into parapsychology. But
Speaker 8: he's just a fun, like to hit hippie guy, so
Speaker 8: like he's really he's really cool. I would need to
Speaker 8: hear him on here actually, is what I'm demanding it.
Speaker 1: So you guys do guests as well.
Speaker 4: I'm sure.
Speaker 8: I'm sure we'd love to you know. W Well, well
Speaker 8: we'll all uh, we'll mix. We'll be like the hotels
Speaker 8: in the Houstons of podcasts. Yeah, we'll bring all the
Speaker 8: with us, bring the cards there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Glenn, let everybody know again where they can
Speaker 2: find your show, please.
Speaker 8: Sure, yeah, rare Candy dot subtack dot com. That's where
Speaker 8: all the writing is and when if you like what
Speaker 8: I said about fiction, that's where our podcast Gain of
Speaker 8: Fiction is located there. It's part of like our whole
Speaker 8: premium feed. You guys understand how that works, of course.
Speaker 8: And then we're on Apple and Spotify just Rare Candy.
Speaker 8: It's not a Pokemon podcast, but it started that way. Uh,
Speaker 8: it didn't start that way, but the name, the name
Speaker 8: like came from them. We don't like pretend to not
Speaker 8: know what that is obviously, so people do occasionally get
Speaker 8: get misinformation. Then they're like, oh, this is not what
Speaker 8: I thought. So there's uh, there's that, and then at
Speaker 8: rare Candy Pod one on x and then at rare
Speaker 8: Candy Pod on Instagram. So thanks again, guys, an absolute
Speaker 8: blast anytime.
Speaker 4: Anytime. Well, well, I'll be in touch with all of you,
Speaker 4: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was great, thank you, and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: i'll have your show notes. I'll put everything in the bottom.
Speaker 2: If you want to, you can just send me everything
Speaker 2: and uh, I'll make sure that's included in the bottom.
Speaker 2: And I'll have JJ's and we got a freder Jins
Speaker 2: and we got Heidi loves that.
Speaker 4: I'll add about it.
Speaker 2: You got all the links for this shows. Thank you
Speaker 2: again all for coming on. It was a great show.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. It was definitely on a cult Rejex show.
Speaker 2: And then till the next one. Everyone be well later