WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see something's going to happen. What What's going to happen? 2 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:28.760 What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects in this episode. 3 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:32.000 I got myself and I got JJ Vance, not the 4 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.719 Vice President. I got Heidi, and I got Jim the 5 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:38.119 Ninja with me today. Uh. JJ, you want to let 6 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:40.439 everybody know what's up and where they can find yourself 7 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:45.119 if they haven't heard of you before. Oh, look like 8 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:46.000 you might a froze. 9 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:49.640 Uh yeah, I got some interwebs connectivity issues at the moment. 10 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:52.920 My starlink Grimlin's reacting up. But as always, Nick, I 11 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:53.960 appreciate the invite. 12 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:54.960 Looking forward to the. 13 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:59.280 Conversation scientology stuff. I'll run Hubbard stuff right riding my 14 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.320 wheelhouse right. My ally said, I'm looking forward to that 15 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:06.680 JJ Vance, host of Operation GCD, but more importantly not 16 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:10.640 the vice president. Definitely looking forward to the conversation with 17 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.040 Jen and Heidi. Is always great to see you fellow 18 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:15.000 Occult Rejects and Glenn. 19 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:18.680 Great great meeting. You're looking forward to the conversation absolutely. 20 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.280 Thank you very much, sir, and Jena Ninja. Let everybody 21 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.959 know where they can find all your stuff as well. 22 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:31.040 Thanks boss, mister Nudity three okay. So you can find 23 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:32.840 me on Twitter at with Comrie Born to w Uko 24 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:35.760 and g Reborn. My show's stresshold Saints. You can find 25 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:39.079 it on Spotify and Apple, and of course our Gray 26 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:43.359 Lodge spaces are also on YouTube now. So it just 27 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:47.400 launched a new metafiction series called Welcome to Hava Boria. 28 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.280 So we are literally exploring the American nastic story or 29 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:54.680 what that could be or what that is. So yeah, 30 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.159 if you're interested in metafiction, metamagic and meta history, that's 31 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.599 my show. And I'm really excited because I have been 32 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:04.280 listening to Rare Candy all week and probably last week too, 33 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:06.480 and uh yeah, it's a great showman. I'm a big 34 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:08.520 fan of mine. So cool to meet you and thank 35 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:08.800 you guys. 36 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.560 Song awesome, No, thank you, thank you sir. And last 37 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:18.439 but not least, Heidi, what's going on? Oh you know everybody? Sorry, No, 38 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:20.599 you're not, you're not. I thought you were first. Oh 39 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:21.039 you're good. 40 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:25.439 He's messing with me. I'm like, hello, I know, Hello, 41 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:28.639 I'm Heidi, love of the Unfiltered Rice. I do sound 42 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:32.319 like I've got a cold, because I do, and me 43 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:33.960 and my asthma are going to be fighting it out 44 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:38.039 with these inhalers, not smoker like through this whole series, So. 45 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:40.680 Try not to die. That's what's up. 46 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:44.199 You can find me out Unfiltered, ricepodcast dot com and 47 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.919 everywhere podcasts are served. And that's all for me. Thank 48 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.560 you for having me. I'm excited to have be a 49 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:51.560 part of the panel. 50 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:53.879 Of course, very happy to have you here as well. 51 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:56.759 And last, well, last one, not least finally to the guests, 52 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.840 we got Glenn from Ray Candy podcast. Sir, please let 53 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.599 everybody know what what you deal is. Please, everybody know 54 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:06.280 what you deal is and where they can fund your show. 55 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.439 Please, I want everyone to know what my deal is. 56 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:10.360 How much time you got? 57 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.479 Yeah, no, you could find on one half of the 58 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.439 podcast Rare Candy we are. We talk about a lot 59 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:22.000 of stuff today. I think the specialty will be fiction, literature. 60 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:23.800 That's why I believe, that's why I was tapped on today. 61 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.840 But we talk about pharma, we talk about life. We 62 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:28.479 just like to screw around a little bit too. It's 63 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.240 whatever we feel like for the week, which much to 64 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:33.360 the sugar in of our audience. Sometimes they want you 65 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.080 to focus on one thing, but I can't. Sorry, uh 66 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:38.599 don't do well taking orders from stuff like that, but. 67 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:40.240 Rare Candy dot substack dot com. 68 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:42.120 That's where my co host Si writes a series called 69 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.400 Bob's Red Pill, really good writing on there, and then 70 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:47.159 that's where our premium episode feed is. We're just read 71 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.520 to find all of the episodes of Gain of Fiction, 72 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:52.879 which is my fiction podcast that I specialize in on there. 73 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.240 So it's kind of a bunch of little nesting doll situations. 74 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.879 But Rare Candy Pod one on Twitter, Rare Candy Pod 75 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.919 on Instagram, wreck Candy dot substack dot com. 76 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:05.360 We awesome, Thank you very much, and I'll definitely include 77 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:07.120 all your show notes in the bottom. 78 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:07.840 Yeah. 79 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:13.360 Uh so yeah, battlefield Battlefield Earth. That's what we're gonna 80 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:17.759 be talking about, right, Yeah, yes, Unfortunately, I know that 81 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:19.839 was one of kind of like this topic that Jen 82 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:21.879 was really excited for and hopefully he'll make it back, 83 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:25.079 but there he is. But yeah, and I do know 84 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:31.720 that is associated with l Ron Hobart, so hence JJ 85 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:34.879 and we're gonna talk about some scientology and gin you 86 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:37.199 made it back, Thank you very much. So I guess 87 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:39.959 what made you? What made you? I guess what I 88 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:41.360 want to ask first is like, what made you even 89 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:43.959 cover that like, do you have a like scientology fascinate 90 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:45.040 you like it does with us? 91 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.959 Or so I have a morbid curiosity with things I 92 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.000 know are bad, so I want I like reading like 93 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:56.920 torturous tones of literature. Brothers Karramtsov like things like that. 94 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:00.959 I love reading those because it is I'm a former 95 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.319 marathon runner, so there's like this torturous element of like, wow, 96 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:05.759 I never want to do that again. But then like 97 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:07.959 two months later, you're like, think about my next one? 98 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:11.360 And that was the end of the season one. I 99 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.240 was like, We're gonna do Battlefield Earth. I was gonna 100 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:14.959 get a big group of people together because I was 101 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.120 always like, man, this became a movie, a failure of 102 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:20.360 a movie, but a movie. And I looked at the 103 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.480 book and I said, that thing is massive? 104 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.240 What could possibly be in there? 105 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.319 But then my morbid curiosity was like what if what 106 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:29.839 if he has the sauce? Like what if that's like 107 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:30.800 how el Ron Hubbard? 108 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:32.759 I was like, maybe he's like a really good sauce. 109 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.160 Sorry, oh I don't know, No, you don't want sauce 110 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:39.600 with them? 111 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:43.759 Well yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that's true. 112 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:46.279 L Ron Hubbard. Sauce is available. I've heard at times. 113 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.480 I turned that down every time it was like, yeah, no, 114 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:52.040 I agree, I agree there, yeah, but yeah, I was 115 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.720 wondering if he had the uh gosh, I don't even 116 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:56.839 know another word other than sauce, but if he was 117 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:59.720 if you had the ability to persuade me through good 118 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:03.680 right fighting. Short answer is no, he doesn't. It's one 119 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.240 of the best producers produced audio books of all time. 120 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.680 Though it is incredible if you listen to it on audible, 121 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:11.839 the Scientology money behind it, that's awesome. I will say, 122 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:14.480 like that was it is so cool and it's I think, 123 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:20.120 like forty eight hours long, and I ended up hating it, 124 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:25.160 like like really bad it was. We'll get into it, 125 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:29.439 I guess, but it's it's so bad. And I then 126 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.959 now I anybody who fell for Scientology is actually like 127 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.680 way lower in my book of people that stuff. 128 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:38.920 You're like, yo, you're really bullshit. 129 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.839 You see Have you actually seen the movie? 130 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:44.240 Yeah? 131 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.519 Oh yeah, I mean that was that was supposed to 132 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:50.800 be the you know, the the all film of all films, right, 133 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:55.040 I mean, this was a monumental effort by David Miscavage. 134 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:56.480 Yeah, and I know. 135 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:00.000 I know Travolta had read it because I didn't realize 136 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.720 how early Travolta like converted. I thought he converted in 137 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:04.879 the nineties, but he had converted in like the late seventies. 138 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.319 If I'm not mistaken, I could be for nineteen seventy four. 139 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:10.600 So he reads Battlefield Earth as a scientologist when it 140 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:11.959 comes out, and he's like Star. 141 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.560 Wars for Losers, I'm exactly. 142 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:16.800 At some point, and it's like how long that stayed 143 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:18.839 in his mind? And I will say, the book is 144 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.160 more entertaining than the I'm sorry, the movie is more 145 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:22.079 entertaining than the book. 146 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.800 It's just not that good, right, right, Well they also 147 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:28.000 Barry Pepper was supposed to be their next up and 148 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.040 coming star in Scientology, right, So that's why he played 149 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:32.560 opposite Travolta. 150 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.480 In that film. And well he he, you know, he 151 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:35.759 was a lead in a lot of films. 152 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:38.680 He was just never really that charismatic, as you know, 153 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:40.759 you have like Tom Cruise rolled even in l Ron 154 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.920 or David Miscavitch because you know, he travolts to a 155 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:45.920 certain extent. Although I've met him, He's got no charisma. 156 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.240 That dude's a you know, a soul, an empty soul, 157 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.439 an empty vessel, which is what you know, Hollywood likes. 158 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.920 Yeah, actors, for the most part, I find out they 159 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:55.920 have too many like opinions that I like, typically that 160 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:57.319 it doesn't show up on the screen, So you have 161 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:58.680 to be a blank canvas a little bit if you're 162 00:07:58.680 --> 00:07:59.279 any good at it. 163 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.839 Sure, yeah, exactly. That's that's often what's described by a lot. 164 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:05.839 Of the best actors, right, yeah, exactly, And now we 165 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:08.160 want to know all of their thoughts now, which is 166 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:10.560 it's a great combination for cinema. 167 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.680 What's your opinion folks who believe in this weird ancient 168 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:19.120 ally cargo cult scenarios of scientology, what's your opinion on modern. 169 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:23.360 Day societal issues. Yeah, that's what I want to know. Yeah, exactly. 170 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:27.319 Have the answers, yeah, exactly that the movie is is 171 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:30.199 not good, But like I totally remember when I watched it, 172 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:30.439 I was like. 173 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:32.919 Wow, Barry Pepper, I forgot about Barry Pepper. 174 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:35.559 He was in the six Billy Crystal sixty one movie 175 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:36.360 about the Yankees. 176 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:40.679 He was in Ryan I want to say, yeah. 177 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.399 Anyway, because he has that like Millet old I mean 178 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:44.600 not in Battlefield Earth. They give him some sweet gear 179 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.000 to put on, but he had that like crew cut, 180 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:49.200 like period piece military guy, but they kind of stopped 181 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.399 making a lot of those movies and then therefore they 182 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:52.759 didn't need him. 183 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:55.440 He was also in a film called Knock Around Guys, 184 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:57.519 which was interesting, wasn't all. It was like the late 185 00:08:57.559 --> 00:08:59.200 brat Pack if you will. From the eighties. It was 186 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:03.759 the Diesel Barry Pepper, Seth Green, I'm missing somebody. 187 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.360 Oh yes, oh my gosh. Last from the past. 188 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:09.960 Well they yeah, they filmed that Montane was stationed there 189 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:11.559 at the time. It was big news when they filmed 190 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.840 that up there. So but the with Barry Pepper was 191 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:18.559 also a not a star, but he was in the 192 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:23.360 film a very scientology casted. In my opinion, Scientology produced 193 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:25.639 film The Enemy of the State, and I think it 194 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:26.679 was nineteen ninety seven. 195 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:28.799 Yeah, that's right, Enemy of the State. 196 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.639 So many scientologists in that film, and it's really it's 197 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:34.519 really and it's really what you know, if you look 198 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.480 at from a scientologist perspective, when they're not talking about 199 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.559 these crazy alien tales and Battlefield Earth, their their current 200 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.559 societal perspectives on long life here in America is the 201 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:49.240 over reaching intrusion of government and religious functions and you know, 202 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:52.159 in privacy functions, of personal life. So if you look 203 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.360 at that whole film, that's really what the underlying concepts 204 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:58.879 about is the evil government figures and nefarious actors within 205 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:03.399 the government who were using these these uh spy apparatuses unlawfully. 206 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.360 And that's nineteen ninety seven. So they make a good 207 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.759 point occasionally, I like to say, a scientologists clock is right, 208 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:10.279 you know. 209 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.200 Twice a day, so just like an inn broken clock. 210 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:14.360 So they got that one right. You know, they're right 211 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:14.759 about that. 212 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:16.480 But they were early on on that, on that fight, 213 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:19.320 and that is what they they've been really focused on 214 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.360 that sence the nearly noice. But it's again they want 215 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:23.320 to do a lot of hood rat ships. They don't 216 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.000 want the government spying on them. But I mean they 217 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:26.360 make some good points in that argument. 218 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:30.559 Yeah, yeah, the what's his name, the like Tom Cruise, 219 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:32.960 there's that viral clip that happens if Tom Cruise, uh 220 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.120 like crapping on Big Pharma for like add Yeah, but 221 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:39.720 what they don't show you is he's like scientology. All 222 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:41.320 you got to do is put him in scientology, like 223 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.080 we'll get read, we'll correct the add Because if what 224 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.519 they do is they kind of you know, they act 225 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:49.559 as a controlled opposition in a sense of to like, oh, 226 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:51.519 you hate the government, so do we dude, like, come 227 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:52.360 on over here anyway? 228 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.320 Yeah, now you're tracking, Yeah, do you have dollars? 229 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.399 They're not opposed to beating their members, so just ask 230 00:10:58.440 --> 00:10:59.559 miss Gabbage tracking. 231 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:01.679 Yeah. 232 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:04.879 Nick, this point a couple of episodes ago about how 233 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:09.480 sometimes like conspiracy can be a little anti government in 234 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.159 its formation. I'm not saying that the critiques aren't valid, 235 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.840 but the sort of like the you know, its directionality 236 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:18.080 is always one sided. 237 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.480 Sure, I wondered JJ, No, go ahead. 238 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:26.399 I just wondered a Travolta, since he converted so early, 239 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.559 if he might have some process connections. 240 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.159 Oh, we're going to get into that soon in Operation 241 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:36.159 GCD here talking to some of those tales because it's 242 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:39.720 funny how he I'm going to do an cult esoteric 243 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:41.519 review that I have yet to invite you and you 244 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:43.919 and Nick to to join me on yet. But so 245 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:47.559 the film Devil's Reign starring William Shatner, Old Bill's got 246 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:51.080 his Satanist connections and it's also got a young John 247 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.960 Travolts in it. It's where he meets this other cast 248 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:57.720 member who's a scientologist. She introduces him to scientology, and 249 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.919 that's also role Johnny Boys is hanging out with Anton 250 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.279 LeVay because he was the technical advisor on the film. 251 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:07.679 WHOA, wow, that's a cru huh. 252 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.039 Yeah, they got a nice picture together. 253 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:14.120 Travolt is a lot less handsy with Anton Lavay that 254 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.200 he tried to get with me, so what that means? 255 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.840 But I mean he thought you were a better luck. 256 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.120 Maybe he wanted to take you to the desert, saying. 257 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:22.960 I guess I'm better looking than the Olevay there, I 258 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:24.279 suppose in John's eyes. 259 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:26.120 But I don't know if that don't know if that's 260 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:27.559 I don't know, if that's too a lot to. 261 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:27.840 Do a though. 262 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.840 J Yeah, he's not an attractive man. 263 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:33.200 Yes either way, Yeah, either way, it doesn't matter. He's 264 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.000 barking up the wrong tree. 265 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:37.240 Jin's avatar is. 266 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.840 It is interesting how much these people, of these folks 267 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:45.759 have permeated Hollywood for a very long time. Like you 268 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.879 were saying, that is the gonegoing narrative that kind of 269 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:51.440 around the welcome back codter yours is when Travolta joins, 270 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:54.159 But it's really much earlier, and they have a far 271 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.159 greater grasp in Hollywood than I think I think there's 272 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.159 a lot of secret scientill just what I'm getting at. 273 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.120 And then you have, as Jen was pointing out, the 274 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.600 Process Church quote unquote offshoot, which I would call the 275 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.519 dark wing of the the OSA Officer Guardian's Office. That's 276 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.360 their main hood rat shit wing of scientology. The process 277 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.759 would be their their dark wing side. It's started by 278 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.279 former auditors, they worked at. One of them worked as 279 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.399 an assistant to el Ron Hubbard in London back in 280 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.120 sixty three. So it's a They have a lot of 281 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:23.960 folks in Hollywood that are part of the process, none 282 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.639 not the least of which is old Bob Cocaine Evans, 283 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:33.919 legendary Hollywood film producer, So amongst many many others. 284 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.639 I think, oh, go ahead and go ahead. 285 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:39.759 Heidi, Oh, I was just saying, it makes sense if 286 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:43.399 they're auditors because they have the secret so oh yeah. 287 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:47.080 And friends with old hubs. Glenn, did I see you 288 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.399 do a podcast there on Roman Polanski? 289 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:52.720 No, with Roman Polanski, he came up, No, okay, yeah, yeah, 290 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:55.879 no yeah. And on that note of out of folks. 291 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:56.080 Yeah, no. 292 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.200 I we talked about it fairly like like it was 293 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.320 a fairly thing. I went through his films I love 294 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:02.799 his movies. 295 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:03.399 I mean I do. 296 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:08.679 I love his films, and but I read his autobiography. 297 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:12.519 It's insane like and it goes up to about eighty four. So, yes, 298 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:16.960 the thing is mentioned in graphic detail, and he admits 299 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:19.799 it in the Thing play by probably walks you through 300 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.159 the interaction and then he's like, what's the big deal? 301 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:23.840 Right, He's proud of it. 302 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:26.720 He's proud of it, and he's he's heralded for by 303 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.240 an element of Hollywood today. That's the kind of element 304 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:30.519 we're talking about with this process. 305 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.039 Everybody was allowing them to be like, Hey, the lighting's 306 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:35.000 good to take pictures of that girl at my house 307 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.240 over here if you want, like, you can use my house. 308 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:40.960 We do this all the time. They it's it's crazy. 309 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:43.759 Yeah, And old Hobbs was into this activity. Old l 310 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.519 Ron he had a team of young young girls and 311 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:48.919 would walk around. One of them would hold his drink, one 312 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:50.919 would hold his ash tray and hold a lighter, the 313 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:52.159 other hold his cigarettes. 314 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:53.840 Yeah. Yeah, they had a whole network. 315 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.240 Damn do we know how many. I'm just curious obviously, 316 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.519 because he I'll do cabala in impress her. 317 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:02.799 I'll have to get back to down some numbers here 318 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:06.000 because it is interesting. So Leah Ramini would later pop 319 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.759 up as a prominent scientologist and a similar capacity. So 320 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.919 when she signed her billion year contract Honor about the 321 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:14.320 age of eleven or twelve, she got a signed if 322 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:18.480 I think remember correctly as Shelley, miss Gavage's little assistant. 323 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:18.600 Now. 324 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:20.519 I don't know if she's got the same proclivities as 325 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:25.679 l Run does, but I suppose missed her husband does knows. 326 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.960 Where she is anymore since toss action. 327 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:32.960 Yeah a, yeah, imagine that. Imagine you're a CEO of 328 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.039 any other organization or company. You make your wife disappear 329 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.559 and no one even bats an eye. Imagine Coca Cola 330 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:40.440 CEO of Coca Cola is like, yeah, I no one 331 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:43.159 seen my wife since you know, two thousand and seven, 332 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:45.840 and people know that's that's unfortunate, you know, but no 333 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:46.159 one does. 334 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:49.039 He only five foot one anyways, this. 335 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:51.559 Is probably a small man. He's a small man, yeah, sure, 336 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:52.759 than shorter than Cruise. 337 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:58.960 Wow, I'm not kidding. They say he's one. 338 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:00.720 Cruise is a tiny fellow. He just likes to play 339 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.279 a tall man who knows how to fight in films. 340 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:05.600 Yeah, yeah, he's good. 341 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:05.799 At it. 342 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:06.480 Don't get me wrong. 343 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:08.120 I like watching him play a tall guy who knows 344 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:10.279 how to fight, but he's neither a tall guy, and 345 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:11.960 I highly suspect he does not know how to fight. 346 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:16.720 He's got big teeth, he can bite, you know, Yeah, 347 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:18.440 definitely knows how to pilot. 348 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:20.279 Dude. 349 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:21.720 I saw a recent video of him on the new 350 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.480 Mission Impossible. He's literally they got him strapped onto the 351 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:26.919 wing of a biplane just one hundred and forty mile 352 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.600 prior wins, just Tom cruising it up. I'm like, well, 353 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:31.120 this dude is a fucking lun It's like that's the 354 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.320 you know, he really like, he really ruined it as 355 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.799 the champion, as their poster boy when they early two 356 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.039 thousands on his split from Scientology, so he left for 357 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.000 a while. He left for almost a decade almost, I 358 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:42.919 think it was about six eight years maybe something like that. 359 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:45.600 What's your speculation on why he went back. 360 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:47.360 It's a great question. 361 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:51.960 They really apparently they really worked him, Misscavige and his assistant, 362 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.159 Marty Rathsman, who then later left and became the biggest 363 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.120 opponent of Scientology and now he's back a Misscavage is 364 00:16:58.200 --> 00:16:58.639 number two. 365 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.799 So these folks, they just play both sides, you know 366 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:02.159 what I mean. 367 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:04.880 And Remini might be doing the same thing because, like 368 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.359 I said, she was in close with Shelley Miss Savage. 369 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:09.440 That's she's the one who filed the missing person's report 370 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.720 about Chilly Miss Sabbage. Because and I'm not saying that 371 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:14.000 they're cluding or nothing, but because she was clearly friends 372 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.359 with a woman. You know, she got herself in trouble 373 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:19.039 asking about it for whereabouts you know, according to Rontail, 374 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:20.400 which I'm willing to believe. 375 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:22.359 But because these folks is hot. 376 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:23.880 He was saying, you're you know, they like to beat 377 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:27.119 their membership, I mean, if not physically, which they do, 378 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.440 and they're known for that mentally because uh, when Ramini 379 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.720 asked for Shelley Miss Scavage was apparently they like, you 380 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:35.400 need some auditing. You're gonna need a sect check, we 381 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:41.440 need a sex check. You check audit with leather belt. Yeah, 382 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:43.680 were streak in a room for like twelve fourteen hours 383 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:45.799 a day, holding them damn cans, answering questions for a 384 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:46.599 couple of days straight. 385 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.319 That'll do some wonders to your psyche for sure. 386 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.319 Oh yeah, is there like some blackmail? I mean, is 387 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:54.359 there do they they have like a traditional blackmail network. 388 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:56.599 Cause that's what I'm getting at with Tom Cruisey. That's reason. 389 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:59.559 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's all blackmail. Yeah, that's what 390 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:00.319 I was. Well, that's what I was. 391 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:04.440 I mean right then and there. 392 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:06.640 Then they write it down, They write it down and 393 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.839 the videotape and they have libraries of these things. 394 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.799 I mean, like before Epstein, they just weren't like they 395 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:16.720 didn't catch you having sex with ship there, you know 396 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:18.960 what I'm saying, Like they were still blackmailing. 397 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:21.799 Here sure, or they were getting the secrets. So and 398 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:23.759 for I mean, you got some powerful people adding on. 399 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:28.799 Koshogi was a scientific did scientology stuff. Robert Maxwell, you 400 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:31.920 know the name I can't remember, but his son started MTV. 401 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:35.000 With Mormons too. 402 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:41.079 Yep, and Trump a lot of weird, weird badfellas there, huh. 403 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.039 But the U with the scientology stuff, like you know 404 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.079 where meet he's up there, high up. And then now 405 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.440 today she's you know, their biggest opponent. But if you 406 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:51.880 go on our website, she wants you to donate to 407 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.759 the Best Friends Animal Society. That's the processed church of 408 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:58.440 the final judgment. So what side does she play on? 409 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.079 Whoever pays her the most, so. 410 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.079 I almost view it as she's she's working a coup 411 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:05.880 against Hubbard. 412 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:10.240 I'm sorry, Misscabage. 413 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.240 Misscabage pulled it and his crew that that Marty Rathburn 414 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:15.759 guy and a couple other fellas. They pulled a coup 415 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.319 against the folks Hubbard put in charge. 416 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:18.920 Right. 417 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:20.799 They tossed his office. 418 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.400 Yeah, they tossed his office and threw him out, and 419 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.799 he said he had all the secrets. And then they 420 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:28.960 went in when he went out of town somewhere and 421 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:31.480 looked for everything and then tossed him out. 422 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.160 Yeah, well he supposedly he handed he handed the church 423 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:37.680 off to somebody else. This married couple was like, I 424 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.400 can't think of their names of the moment, but the. 425 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:44.480 Boat people, yeah, the boat people, I can't remember it either, but. 426 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.440 It was Missavage and his young crew. They were all 427 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:48.799 like twenty five, twenty to twenty eight year olds. They 428 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.559 all ran a coup. So it seems like a different coup. 429 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:54.160 They're all trying to get Misscabage out of his power, 430 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:56.839 and maybe that's why Marty Rathman went back. 431 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.279 Who knows, but just so people just trying to take 432 00:19:59.319 --> 00:19:59.880 the shit over with. 433 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:05.480 It's all about Yeah, it's all it's all a bunch of me. 434 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:07.640 I mean, it's a magical space navy, right, I mean, 435 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:08.759 what do you expect. 436 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:09.759 A magical space? 437 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:12.319 It is was ZENI with the helm. 438 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:16.759 Outfits run around. 439 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:21.400 You know. Hubbard had to do that because he needed 440 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:22.960 something to make him look better. 441 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:25.920 Uniform helps a little bit. 442 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:31.119 It's fair tuning in. You could say that, like you 443 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.599 could say it's like very related to hoke mom, like 444 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:37.400 sailing on the primordial waters above. 445 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:41.640 The Abyss even even think about it. Even in a 446 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.160 Crowley's Rush they talk about the great barge in the sky. 447 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:47.279 I mean you even have like boat sits in there. 448 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:48.240 And he was friends with. 449 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:51.599 He's big friends, big time friends with Crowley. It was 450 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:54.319 not just like here and there saw the guy like 451 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:56.559 they were legit. I mean Hobbard straight up said he 452 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:59.000 was the anti Christ for a while, like like himself, 453 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:00.839 he would just be like, I'm the anti Christ. But 454 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.160 it's also they don't believe in any of that stuff, 455 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.440 so it's like they're just it was using it as 456 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:08.240 this kind of like none of this matters. What I'm 457 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:10.759 doing is opposing something that's not real. I'm the only 458 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.799 real thing, which is really scary to me. 459 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:15.240 I don't know by betray. 460 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.440 You, betray you or the anti Christ. 461 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.440 For a time, I read that same thing and I 462 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:22.400 was like, okay, the never ending story. 463 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:27.440 So it's like an of the Theosophical Yeah, no, you're right, 464 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.480 but it's like the inversion of the theosophical Matreya, which 465 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:32.599 they take for Buddhism. So it's not even like a 466 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:37.039 real it's not even the simulkrav the original thing, but 467 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:40.240 it's obviously the inversion of theosophy. So I think that's 468 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:44.640 really interesting because when you read when you read liber 469 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:49.119 forty nine, it it is drawing from a like original 470 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:54.359 NaSTA toaxtic. It's very obvious, but they do invert it. 471 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.839 But I also think there's an implication that's just my opinion, 472 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:00.000 but I do implication that you're not supposed to take 473 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.359 it literal, Like I think that's l Ron's thing, Like 474 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:05.480 I thought. I think he started to buy into his 475 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.400 own bullshit later in the sixties, but I think even 476 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.200 earlier he kind of was like, oh, I'm going to 477 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.759 do para fiction before that was even an idea. He's like, 478 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:17.519 I'm going to create like a Mormon story, Like I'm 479 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.920 going to do. You know, I'm not saying that Mormonism 480 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:24.920 as is as science fiction as that, but I don't know. 481 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:28.240 I'm saying I don't know the planet. 482 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:33.559 Will it's not less, it's not less exactly, And they 483 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:36.480 Hubbard gets into the Supreme Being. 484 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.279 And then I'm like, okay. 485 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:41.359 Well, hy do you have to have a galactic go overlord. 486 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:42.880 Of space? 487 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:45.319 Operative is that if you don't have a galactic go overlord, 488 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:46.599 you need an antagonist? 489 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:48.240 So true. 490 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:51.480 One thing is this a book that do they push 491 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:53.200 this book onto their members or something to. 492 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:57.880 Buy the battle. 493 00:22:57.680 --> 00:22:59.680 So they're probably even making a killing off that book too. 494 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:01.759 So oh, just what you want to hear? 495 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:02.839 A tax game you're running. 496 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:06.200 They got the publishing house for not only all the 497 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:09.319 religious texts that they push on their on their membership, 498 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:11.960 they got they got the sci fi writers publishing house 499 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.519 underneath the church umbrella for tax free status. So every 500 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:19.119 copy of Battlefield Earth that anyone purchases, so that's tax free. Frint, 501 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:21.400 that's under the religious sanctions of Xenu. 502 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:24.240 I'm gonna piss everybody off and leave it in one 503 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.480 of those like community little mailbox libraries out there so 504 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:29.599 they cannot get it. Really I'm already sad that I 505 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:33.039 gave them some money, uh, because I is that? 506 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:34.359 What's that? 507 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:36.759 How wild is it they can pull that kind of scame? 508 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:38.519 I mean, that's this is all that's obviously a for 509 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:40.039 profit science fiction book. 510 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.960 There's nothing religious about it. You know. That's the dumbest 511 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.279 part about it. The dumbest thing. 512 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:47.720 About it is the is the whole, like is the whole? 513 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.319 This is anti government. You're doing the most like bureaucratic 514 00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:51.720 bullshit of all time. 515 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:52.279 Like within a thing. 516 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.440 But you just the fact that it's independent from a 517 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:57.319 state run organization, which they've infiltrated all that, so it 518 00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.960 doesn't really they're all these entertainer I guarantee you that, 519 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.759 I entertainment lawyers, every sort of thing technical everywhere. 520 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:06.039 But it's like you're just now that does sound Mormon? 521 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:07.720 Yeah, very Mormon. 522 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:08.400 Yeah. 523 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:10.599 The corporate structure of it too, right Heidi. 524 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:13.799 Oh, of course definitely. 525 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:16.400 And as we always say, like the corporate when you 526 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:21.440 apply the bureaucracy to institutions, that's that's what Larias said 527 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.680 was a klipa. So you are creating the tree of 528 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:27.640 death within the institution by applying bureaucracy to it. So 529 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:29.720 it's kind of a very interesting idea. And I just 530 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.400 want to say I think al Ron was actually aware 531 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:35.200 of that. I don't think he was like a I 532 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:37.640 don't think he was like a Crowley level. You know, 533 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:39.359 Nick calls him like the Oculo genius. I'm going to 534 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:43.000 tease him, but I don't think he was like Oculled genius. 535 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:46.920 But I think he was. He was knowledgeable, he was 536 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:50.440 a magician. He kind of he understood what regardless of 537 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:52.960 what happened in the desert, regardless of that, I think 538 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:57.279 that he he understood some things, had some degree of understanding, 539 00:24:57.519 --> 00:24:58.720 not maybe Howard Hughes. 540 00:24:58.599 --> 00:24:59.039 Level, But. 541 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:04.559 I think that's one thing that really this magical aspect 542 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.720 of scientology helps it permonate, permeate throughout our culture. Cause 543 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:09.920 it's it's fucking everywhere. I'm not gonna lie to you, 544 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:12.920 it's it's a mess. There's so many secret scientologists. 545 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:13.319 You know. 546 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:15.119 I can write a off some names right now and 547 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.079 you'll be like, whoa that dude to scientologists? That due 548 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.640 to scientologists. I don't know if that's really productive. All 549 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.599 just do one key and Ivory Wayne, you'd be like, WHOA, 550 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:25.559 that dude's a scientologists Yeah, he left one. He left 551 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.480 one ancient alien cargo cult, went to another. He grew 552 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:29.559 up with Jehovah's Witness. 553 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:34.440 Oh major pay then it might have been better, right. 554 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:35.400 I don't know. 555 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:37.880 They're kind of the same thing. They're really much in 556 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.480 the same boat, right. They're apocalyptic, they do the alien 557 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:41.039 stuff they do. 558 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:43.880 I think it's quite easy for a guy like that 559 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.480 to to switch up because Jehovah's Witness isn't going to 560 00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:49.400 get you auditions and roles. Scientology will get you auditions 561 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:52.440 and roles. You know what I'm saying, Like, like, I 562 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:54.480 totally again, it's like, well, I already believe in Let's 563 00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:56.240 say I'm a Jehovah's Witness, and they're like, hey, look, 564 00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:58.480 I'm not trying to be mad at you, but like 565 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:00.920 we can give you like the same soundatisfaction of this 566 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:04.319 deep space knowledge thing, and we can get you a 567 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.039 role in like House Party three. 568 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.359 And they're like, oh my gosh, yeah the House Party four. 569 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:14.319 Yeah, yeah, definite, Actually, definitely, definitely there's no maybes in Scientology. 570 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:18.200 We are getting keenan. Yeah, they definitely. 571 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.160 They definitely have the The marketing departments are good, they're 572 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:24.359 you know, they're real good about all that they're infiltration 573 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:25.400 of governments, real good. 574 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:27.440 So imagine this imagine scenario you get. 575 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:29.000 I'm not saying any one of you all here, but 576 00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:32.279 imagine an individual gets popped for just a minor drug 577 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:36.519 violation in any many jurisdiction is roughly seventy percent of America. 578 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:38.640 They cover this with this program narking. 579 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.799 On and stay funded taxpayer funded programs mandated by. 580 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.880 The court for minor drug offenses for drug rehab. 581 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.440 So imagine get popped in one of these scenarios a 582 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.279 little bit of drugs or with a pod or whatever, 583 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:49.559 you know. 584 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:51.759 And you're you can get assigned by the court. 585 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:53.759 Instead of going to prison or paying a fine, you 586 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:56.920 go to rehab to this narcan on program right again, 587 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:58.839 you pay a small fee of the state's really funding 588 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:01.640 all of it, right and uh, you know, you get 589 00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:03.680 they suddenly give you a bunch of vitamins or sitting 590 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:06.039 in some sognas. Next thing you know, you're a scientologist 591 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:08.640 because they just gave you a rundown because narcanon was 592 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:13.079 invented by scientology, and they give you scientology protocols when 593 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.039 you go in there for drug rehab because this anti 594 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:16.920 drug stuff right, So that's. 595 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.799 A very scary element. 596 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:20.880 Then you look at folks like RFK, who actually started 597 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.759 an anti drug nonprofit with a scientologist and is very 598 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.599 much is represented the scientology and court and these these 599 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:29.799 drug matters as well. So he's very much on that 600 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.000 same team, that same viewpoint of these same kind of drugs. 601 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.000 So when he's he's trying to remove I'm not I'm 602 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.640 not opposed to moving dies and stuff from food and whatnot. 603 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.160 But like it's it's what we were saying before. They're 604 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:41.039 they're glenning about it. 605 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.839 It's that's that's you know, that's you know, they come 606 00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.400 at you with a shamul on twist there with some 607 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.839 other you know, other things that are really after sm 608 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:50.880 other motives, ulterier motives are really after with this, with 609 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:52.680 these efforts, because really all they're trying to do is 610 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:54.200 make everybody scientologists. 611 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.559 Yeah, partially, it's partially like a like a like a 612 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:58.920 the at least the illusion of a patronage network, right 613 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.039 where it's like, hey, we'll get you this. 614 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:01.799 This is what you try. 615 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:03.799 It's a deal with it's a bureaucratic deal with the 616 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.880 devil essentially, right, It's like I would do anything for this, like, oh, 617 00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:09.799 anything sounds good. You know, we'll let you do this 618 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:11.960 one thing. We'll put some money behind it. We'll do whatever. 619 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.799 We'll we'll help you advertise, we'll do all of this. 620 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:16.440 We just need X, Y and Z from you. 621 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:16.680 You know. 622 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.799 And and it's usually out. The scale is not quite balanced, 623 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:20.319 I would think. 624 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:28.119 And then they got rid of both their wives. Oh wait, sorry, no, it's. 625 00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:28.960 Uh, you know. 626 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:31.799 And when I say, they permeate everything. So you know, 627 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:33.240 if you go to Hollywood, if you want to be 628 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:33.920 a young. 629 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.680 Actor, there's a famous school in Hollywood Boulevard run by 630 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.920 an infamous scientologist. He'll try to sign you up when 631 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:42.240 you go there. So that's where a lot of folks 632 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:43.240 get signed up real early. 633 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.480 And as far as the blackmail operations go within that community, 634 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:50.480 Richard gear felt victim to that, it seems, and been 635 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:52.319 in the late eighties early nineties. It seems when he 636 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.319 partoned ways with Scientology and across America, rumor grew long. 637 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.359 This is how good they're they're marketing and network in 638 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.839 their network of communications. Is because I think they're scientologists 639 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:05.720 are the ones who spread that rumor, and there was 640 00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:07.480 something out of their little books from the auditing session 641 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:09.839 of Richard Gear, and that was he shoves gerbils off. 642 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:12.519 But now I don't know that's accurate, you know, I 643 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:13.599 mean if you ever told them that. 644 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:16.039 But I do believe scientology is some many of that 645 00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.160 that message at least because that things spread everywhere. 646 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.680 Yes, I don't know. 647 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.440 I mean, let me let me wink. 648 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.640 South Park episode is like based off Richard Gear. I 649 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:26.119 mean it's just like. 650 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.079 Oh, they did a south Park episode. 651 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:29.839 Okay, yeah, yeah they did. 652 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.880 They did a south Park episode of the hamster inside. 653 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.640 I don't think it's Richard Gear, but it's basically a 654 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.759 famous person and it's uh, it's a clout crawling through 655 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.279 and it's a it's a quest of an. 656 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.920 Hear almost a hero's journey of a hamster. Let me win. 657 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:50.000 The digestive tract of I'm not an anatomy guy. But yeah, 658 00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:51.319 that's that's where it was. 659 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.759 Not good, never good. That's a bad day. 660 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.279 Yeah, because you wonder how many, like how many This 661 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.079 is pure speculation, of course, but how many Hollywood rumors? 662 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:03.640 All right? 663 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.519 All the stuff you hear about are just from like scientology, 664 00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.559 you know, experiments are just like oh yeah, and at 665 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.759 twelve hours, forty three minutes, eighteen seconds. They do talk 666 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.680 about the Gerbil going up his ass. Go please release that. Now, 667 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.319 we did not get paid. You did not get the 668 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.240 latest on hundred thousand dollars payment from Richard Gear, So 669 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.200 release the Gerbil manifest. 670 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:23.720 It's worse than that. 671 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:25.599 If you don't come in for your regular meetings and 672 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.279 sex checks and you know, auditing sessions every week, that's 673 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:29.119 when you get put on the list. 674 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:29.480 They'll start. 675 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.680 That's probably when they started to we'll start in on 676 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:33.400 the list. If he doesn't come in this week, next week, 677 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:34.640 we'll we'll scale it up a bit. 678 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:35.359 Damn. 679 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:38.559 Imagine that reading with your agent and your agent's like, Richard, 680 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:39.880 what's going on here? 681 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:44.160 And he's like, oh what, it's not true? Of course. Yeah, 682 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:45.400 they're like it. 683 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:46.240 Was twelve hours. 684 00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.119 Haven't you heard of those people that get like grilled 685 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.000 with cops and they're like, I did the murder. He 686 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.279 just made something up, so they quit it. 687 00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:58.839 Yeah that's true. Maybe it's something far worse. Yeah, sure, 688 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:01.759 I'm sure. I'm sure he gets dark. And some of 689 00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:06.119 them scientilogists out in auditing books and politics, you know, 690 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.000 they had Sonny Bono his entire Congressional office there before 691 00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:11.200 he skied down their mountain the wrong way headed tree apparently, 692 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:12.960 which I don't believe that story. 693 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:14.079 He was a lot. 694 00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:16.039 He was a long time scientologist, danding back to the 695 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:17.599 sixties and he was in government. 696 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.720 Wife's missing kids dying all. 697 00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:27.799 Yeah, married to Share there. So they worked for Phil Spector. 698 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.319 He was kind of the uh postage church head of 699 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.960 the musical scene in Laurel Canyon, right Wall of Sound, right, Sharon, 700 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.519 That's where Sonny and Share got their start, was Phil Spector. 701 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.359 But yeah, he was. He was a scientologist back then. 702 00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.559 That's about by the same time she raped Anthony Ketis 703 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.839 of uh of red Hell Chili Peppers when he was 704 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.200 like I think he claims to be eleven when that happened. 705 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.000 He grew up in Laurel Canyon. His father was an actor. 706 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:51.960 He was in that same scene. 707 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:52.240 Yep. 708 00:31:52.720 --> 00:32:01.440 Yeah, yeah, So jjus about this before Wall of Sound 709 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:03.640 because I know Phil Spectr obviously you talk about. 710 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:03.880 Him a lot. 711 00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.119 Yeah, he's a crazy right. 712 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.599 I personally think that they borrowed Wall of Sound, not 713 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.200 just from Esslyn and Barbara marks huvering all that, but 714 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.480 I actually think they took it from tntra, there's something 715 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.839 decoherent about it. Decoherent is the Pink Ray. I know, 716 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.240 I'll at least for three of you have heard me 717 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:26.680 talk about that. So I think there's something that they 718 00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.960 think that the sound in decoherence can produce magical experiences 719 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.880 or maybe auditory and visual hallucinations. 720 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:35.200 Quote. 721 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.839 I'm using air quotes, but obviously you can't see, but 722 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:42.640 I can't say it's air quotes. Yeah, So I think 723 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.880 that that's what the wall of sound is because this 724 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.079 would make sense for a lot of the stuff that 725 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:49.960 Heidi talked about in the series with me, but also 726 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.240 what you talk about JJB and like the sex sort 727 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.920 of magic stuff from four. 728 00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:04.079 PY Yeah, four buys, tantric sex, magictual, Buddhist, tntra, Cali worshiping, ritual, 729 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.759 homicidal death cult. That's a lot of words, but they're 730 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:07.640 a bunch. 731 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:10.880 That's like a red hot pers that's a red hot 732 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:11.920 Chilli Peppers album. 733 00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:18.160 Time like Blood Sugar, Sex Magic exactly. Wasn't that produced? 734 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.279 Wasn't that produced by Rick Rubin? Oh? It was? 735 00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:23.519 It was you know, you know what you know the 736 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.599 album he produced right after that, The process. 737 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:27.799 It's an album based on the processed Church with a band, 738 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:28.759 Skinny puppy. 739 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:30.160 Damn. 740 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:32.599 There you go. 741 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.720 So you got Thelma, you got an I'll shoot of 742 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.000 the Lima with the process. I mean, Rick Rubin's in 743 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:40.839 deep with He's also very close with Jack Nichols. Nicholson 744 00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.000 who's a big, big time you know, plant skin him 745 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.559 both big time and Cocaine Bob. 746 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.839 There were there were a trio there, Cocaine Bob. I'm 747 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:48.920 not sure if you saw in the book and they 748 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.839 mentioned that book, you're mentioned about their cocaine Bob came 749 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.079 in for the cleanup crew on that operation. You know 750 00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:55.319 the break thing is what I meant. 751 00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.240 Damn, that was Bob you're talking about Bob Evans. Yeah, yeah, 752 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:01.880 he came in for the Yeah, they all did Chinatown 753 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.960 together there, and I mean he was high up at Paramount. 754 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:06.319 Oh yeah, big time. 755 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:06.920 Wow. 756 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.519 I didn't tell he's the one who hired Polanski their 757 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.519 first little project there. That's saying this ship show of 758 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:17.360 Rose Murray's baby. Yeah, oh yeah, Anton LeVay was there, 759 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.280 of course, Sam Sammy Davis was there. 760 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:19.800 He was in it. 761 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.320 Oh that's all that makes sense because yeah, Bob Evan, 762 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.519 I mean, yeah, that's that's not just some like quiet 763 00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.800 actor and I arn some quiet guy in Hollywood. Him 764 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.960 he's like everywhere any seventies cinema, like he's he's a part. 765 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.000 He was, he was a part of I mean, he 766 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.039 was it till the end. Man he's uh, he's he 767 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:37.800 is Hollywood. 768 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:38.079 He was. 769 00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:40.880 In fact, when are you familiar with the film. 770 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:41.559 Wagged the Dog? 771 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:45.159 Yes, so you know the Dustin Hoffman character in there. 772 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.239 That's the satirical representationable cocaine. 773 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:48.880 Bob ah, that makes sense. 774 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.199 So he went, Bob went to the premiere and he 775 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:52.559 walked out and they said, what do you what do 776 00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:53.719 you think of the film? And he said, I thought 777 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:58.679 I looked great in it. That's pretty I mean, he 778 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.119 made Hoffman's career. He made so many of those folks careers. 779 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.840 He made Hoffman's career. Hoffman was associated with the Weather Underground. 780 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.679 That's that's a topic not often discussed. 781 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:08.480 I don't know that. 782 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.639 Yeah, that he lived Uh well, I mean when I 783 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.559 say associate with he he had all least social associations 784 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.159 with him, whether or not he was a member. He 785 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:19.760 lived next door to them there in Greenwich Village, in 786 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:21.000 that townhouse they blew up. 787 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.639 And that they were the Patty Hurst people. 788 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:26.840 They were associated with the Patty Hurst eventually, yeah, they 789 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.599 they were the folks Bill Ayers burned that dorn Uh. 790 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:33.199 Their adopted son is the guy that was the recent 791 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:34.960 DA of San Francisco, Chase Boudine. 792 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.360 He's the one that that's let everybody shop on the sidewalks. 793 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.760 Oh yeah, no, I'm I'm not far from there. It's 794 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:40.760 I can I can smell it. 795 00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:42.840 Oh, he used to be a lovely city. 796 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:43.000 You know. 797 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:44.000 I really enjoyed that place. 798 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.199 And then uh, last few times I went there, I 799 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:47.760 so much shit on the sidewalks. 800 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:48.159 Yeah. 801 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.559 No, you're one hundred percent. But literally, I know, my 802 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.199 wife and I just went there two weeks ago. We 803 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.280 had fun and then like you walked down the mission, 804 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:57.199 you're just like, oh, that's not pit bullshit either, Like 805 00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.719 you just know it's it's pressure washed, you know, but 806 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.519 like still not really, you know, it's still there. 807 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:09.039 Yeah it's bad, but yeah, I mean, the uh even 808 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:09.760 the weather underground. 809 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.440 I argue they're an off shoot of the process really 810 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.800 because I mean their leaders venerate the process and process 811 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:18.440 members like Charles Manson, Sir Hans Sir Han both the 812 00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.719 leaders chase it Bernadette Dorn and Bill Airs both venerate them. 813 00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.800 You know, the two things I tell folks to understand 814 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.719 about the weather Underground is, you know, the shit sidewalks 815 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.840 and also this on the fact that they all they 816 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.239 all skirt they all skirt charges, even the ones that 817 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.800 go to prison will ultimately get out skirt charges right, 818 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.119 even if they get jammed up, like for example, Susan 819 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:43.280 Rosenberg actually blew up the US Capitol Building. Forget January sixth, 820 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:46.440 This lady actually blew up bombs in the US Capitol 821 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:48.960 Building in the early eighties, maybe eighty three, maybe sir 822 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.880 k eighty three. Bill Clinton commuter sentence was the way 823 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.599 out office, last last hour. And then fast forward to 824 00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.440 the Summer of Love twenty twenty, the summer of the 825 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:03.920 Lord and save George Floyd. And he if you donated 826 00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:06.679 money to that George Floyd caused would blm. It actually 827 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.000 went to a company named Act Blue at non quote 828 00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:12.639 un I'll actually get a new air quotes here, nonprofit. 829 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.599 Called ActBlue. The treasurer for Act Blue. 830 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:22.519 Susan Rosenberg weather underground bomber of US Capital. Their folks 831 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.840 venerate the process, and the process again is the dark 832 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.960 winging of the scientology left. So Ed Sanders have authored 833 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.199 The Family of the you know, the the Good Book, 834 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.559 the first book they're written on Charles Manson. 835 00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.760 Situation at the Bugleiosi bullshit. 836 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.400 Sanders was right his At the same time he in 837 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.440 his files he scribbled a note on one of his 838 00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.119 folders which I find to be the funniest thing ever, 839 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.599 especially in the ship that I look into like these matters. 840 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.480 He wrote, the process church people are everywhere, and I 841 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:51.920 tend to agree. 842 00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.480 I want to say, JJ, this actually makes the chaos 843 00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.119 magicians of the late eighties look good. Like all these 844 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.360 things you're saying, like that the Scordians through it all 845 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.280 into chaos. It does kind of make them justified. It 846 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.280 does kind of seem to me. I'm just maybe I'm 847 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:10.280 saying this to be a little you know, edgy edge lordie, 848 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.199 but I do think that might be true actually, because 849 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.400 you know, if everyone kind of takes the material then 850 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.199 they don't, then it's not just owned by the process. 851 00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:20.639 It's not just owned by these like. 852 00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.039 Sure, you know that's precisely right. 853 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.559 It's a dissemination of all the liability of it through 854 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.840 different offshoots, but it's still one organization. 855 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:34.800 And how many of them are secretly conjoined with other religions, 856 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:35.400 et cetera. 857 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.599 As secret chief is. That's what a secret chief really is, right, 858 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:43.599 It's the person who's the go between between orders. Like 859 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.199 we spoke with someone who may or may not be 860 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.880 affiliated with those higher orders the other day, Nick and I, well, 861 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.800 Nick invited me to speak with his friend. So I 862 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.960 think that's what it is. It's someone who goes between 863 00:38:56.039 --> 00:39:03.119 someone who selects adepts are I don't know, they think 864 00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:06.599 that will be to do well in their system. That's 865 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.199 what I think. And I think all theosophy is talking 866 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.679 about that. I don't think it's talking about ascended masters 867 00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.480 at all. Maybe people like in the Solar Temple that 868 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:19.480 are pretending or like a plug in electric sar. Yeah, Like, 869 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:21.599 I mean, I'm not saying they're not magicians. I'm just 870 00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.119 saying that the external presentation is more stage magic, which 871 00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.039 is also something that some magicians do like to do. 872 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.800 I'm just saying, what covers your tracks? 873 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.199 If you want to do some really screwed up stuff, 874 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:37.320 I mean, you can just be like I was just entertaining. 875 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:40.159 Wasn't's whole career based off that? 876 00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:45.719 Who you know, he was kind of think J. J. 877 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:46.920 Vance is really maybe. 878 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.480 Yeah, he was LARPing, right, Is that what we're saying? 879 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:52.840 He was kind of LARPing as a magician. 880 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:57.280 I mean I think it was. I think he was 881 00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:04.920 in a cult is playing okay, yeah, yeah. 882 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.159 There was rumors that they he would get people to 883 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:08.559 like close their eyes and then he would go like 884 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:11.159 handle some ship real fast and then come back and 885 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.000 be like, oh yeah this thing it turned into a 886 00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.199 stapler you know or what. I don't know, whatever the 887 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.119 but like, yeah, there whether he was, but he might 888 00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:20.280 have been doing actual stuff in his LARPing, you know 889 00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.599 what I'm saying, Like you can, I can larp and 890 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.679 read you know, Satanic scripture. I'm still putting that energy 891 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.079 out in the world, you know what I mean, even 892 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:27.840 if I don't believe it. 893 00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:29.440 I like the idea if he's doing some cold ship, 894 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:31.000 but he's doing it under this kind of guys of 895 00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:36.679 a performance art of the state magician. I like that idea. 896 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.960 He was very intelligent man, and his death makes no sense. 897 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:42.440 It's all bullshit. That old sort of his death is bullshit. 898 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:49.320 Laurel, Laurel, because when we did recorded with Migul for 899 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.000 me on bites, like on the Elvis episode, we talked 900 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.039 about this, like how there is kind of a dialectical 901 00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:58.920 reciprocity between like a performer and the audience and if 902 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:00.679 the you know, if the. 903 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.599 Performers tapped in like we were saying Elvis was topped in. 904 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.639 He got it right. He was like a he thought 905 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.000 he was like a Hyperborean Friends or whatever. So he 906 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.880 was like the you know, Home Rising Hermes whatever. 907 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:14.480 So I'm not gonna say. 908 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.679 I'm not gonna say Elvis was a process member, Jim, 909 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.880 but he definitely knew the US process. 910 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:19.440 I knew, right. 911 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:21.880 I went way deeper since that conversation, I'm like, oh 912 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.360 my god, what the hell is going on here with 913 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:25.280 this Manson situation with Elvis? 914 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.239 We need to do a backup. 915 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:28.320 On that one. 916 00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:30.519 Then, Yeah, I really would have liked to have I 917 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:32.599 even said that with Julia. I said, I really would 918 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.280 have liked to have maybe covered some more of Elvis, 919 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.280 but not in the same way that episode was done, because, 920 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:40.000 if anything, I think it gave us more amo to 921 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:41.920 look in different areas about the guy. 922 00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.519 Absolutely, dude, I had no idea as much stuff I 923 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:46.519 woked into Elvis as. 924 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:52.239 As I heard that Manson shit, I'm like, yeah. 925 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:52.079 I was like, how have I never, like, because I 926 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:53.960 know a logic about Elvis wasn't a lodge about Manson, 927 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.199 But I was like, how have I never. 928 00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.440 Just even me as an ocultist, if somebody asked me 929 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:00.840 to do that job, ask me in a year, I 930 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.280 show up in three days. Everybody's gonna think regardless that 931 00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:08.280 I'm fucking involved with your people, Like just keep it real, 932 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:10.400 Like it's just kind of like you're gonna look bad 933 00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:12.920 doing that, you know, And if you still need somebody 934 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:14.800 to come by the house, ask me in a year. 935 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.320 Maybe maybe I'll change my mind, but no, not right now. 936 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:20.079 You know. 937 00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:21.760 If I may put two book cands in our In 938 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:25.079 our last few minutes conversations here, folks, I wanted to 939 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.519 point out the Laurel Canyon Houdini Home owned by Rick 940 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.119 Rubin and or at least has been owned by Rick 941 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:34.480 Rubin in recent years, and uh, the the guess what 942 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:36.280 I'm getting at with all these kind of connections with 943 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.519 all these people process, scientology, politics, music, Hollywood, right, like 944 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.440 the fact that these it seems that the process people 945 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:46.199 are indeed everywhere, it's not so it's it's fun to 946 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:47.719 make fun of these battle for the earth and they're 947 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:49.639 kind of their space opera philosophies. 948 00:42:49.679 --> 00:43:00.079 But apardon me, well, there we go. And uh, but 949 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.039 it's also noticed to notice these folks. 950 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:05.119 Are very they seem to wield an innumerable amount of power, right, 951 00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.519 So like you know, they're getting in places, they're infiltrating places, 952 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.239 they're doing things, they're getting government funding from narc and 953 00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.840 on programs, et cetera. Their running programs all the time 954 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:15.599 doing lord. 955 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:16.039 Knows what else. 956 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:21.119 But it's you know, back to that Bill's Bill Air guy. 957 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.320 As far as power goes, right, Bill Airs. 958 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.079 In the Weather Underground, these folks skirting charges and whatnot, 959 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.599 waging political warfare in this in this nation, seeming to 960 00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:33.320 give their Marxist values that they espouse. You know, scientology 961 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.400 generally speaking is largely conservative, but you look at the process. 962 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.280 They were Marxists, and you know, there are some some 963 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.239 kind of variations in some of the political views of 964 00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:44.000 think in these groups. But you know, nonetheless, I think 965 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.199 there's still one organization. They just you know, have varying 966 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:49.159 views and these factions perhaps as it works. But Bill 967 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:50.960 Air is there in the Weather Underground, which I said, 968 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.679 may in fact be an offshoot. It seems of the process, 969 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.800 a lot of evidence of that. I'm boarding folks with 970 00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.000 the day in the details, but will certainly be diving 971 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.239 into in the future and Operation GCD next process show 972 00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:05.360 the Bill Ayers, this is the kind of power I'm 973 00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:06.880 talking about. Bill Air is the son of the head 974 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.239 of the Chicago Light and Power Company, you know, the 975 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:10.960 chairman of the board. 976 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:12.599 They're a huge wealthy family. 977 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.360 He you know, went on a bombing parade, of bombing 978 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.760 all these domestic terrorism stuff for many years and whatnot. 979 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:20.679 You know, some of his folks. 980 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.920 Got wrapped up with that two Pakshakurs folks, and that 981 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.920 and that shooting, the Brinks armory, the Brink truck armory 982 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:27.159 robbery in New York. 983 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:28.599 Clinton has what I'm talking about. 984 00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.840 And on September eleventh, two thousand and one, on the 985 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.079 front page of the New York Times, there's an editorial 986 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.639 printed by Bill Ayers and the opening line is, I 987 00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.280 wish I would have blown up more buildings. 988 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.519 That's the level of power. 989 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.880 That I'm talking about with the weather underground, Bill Airs, 990 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:48.280 the process and the scientology folks generally, yeah, because that. 991 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:49.360 Shit ain't a coincidence. 992 00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:52.679 That's the Thlee mc ritchell and we're talking about Athleen 993 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.519 mcoff shoot cult ahead of which printing that on an 994 00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:57.719 editorial you know, he can write it all day long. 995 00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:58.519 Who printed that? 996 00:44:59.679 --> 00:44:59.880 Who? 997 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.320 What was the forethought planning and procedures around getting that printed? 998 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.280 Well, that's well, that's what made me interested in the 999 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:11.000 book is because it's like what system is he using? 1000 00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.880 Like can you map it to one of the Talima offshoots? 1001 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.960 That's kind of like even I think one of the 1002 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.800 ideas I had coming into the episode was like is 1003 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.280 that can you look at it? Can you see the guy? 1004 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:33.079 But you can map different tendencies onto the tree, right, 1005 00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.920 So it would make sense if he was approaching it 1006 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:41.000 like I want to tell this story and he's putting 1007 00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:45.000 his like telemic. It's like the underlying language, it's the 1008 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.599 Twilight language, but the overtop is like the sci fi layer. 1009 00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.599 So that's like what they tell like heidio as jokes, 1010 00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.559 like that's what they tell the goam for moremons obviously 1011 00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:56.360 not for days. 1012 00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:58.400 For more than more than Mormons, but yes. 1013 00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:03.639 Yeah, yeah, the Twilight language is not like the language 1014 00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:06.880 to the subconscious that is magic, right, Well. 1015 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.840 It can be it can be. It's like seeds of 1016 00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:14.159 potential are there and it depends on how much you 1017 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:15.719 buy in. That's a very. 1018 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:21.840 Chaste actual Yeah, like Kevin I I postually like the 1019 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:26.199 way they teach the upper echelon priesthood holders that give 1020 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:29.119 all the quorum of the seventy how to speak. I 1021 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.920 mean it's like a very singy songy mesmerism. 1022 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:38.360 Sound is the is. 1023 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.159 When you capture four elements in space, so giving it 1024 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:46.719 the fifth dimension. Right, So it's the second most powerful 1025 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.719 after light. But light and sound are also the same thing. 1026 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.239 But it's the second most powerful vehicle of magic because 1027 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.360 there's actually two kinds of speech. I'm sorry, I'm not 1028 00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:57.119 trying to make a long point about this, but there 1029 00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.800 is a there's gross and subtle speech. This is obviously 1030 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:02.960 contract idea, but so there's like vox city, so you 1031 00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:07.000 have the ability to everything that you say carries with it. 1032 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.880 It's underlying meaning inherently, so everything you say, it's like 1033 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:13.480 a Beny Jazzert. That's the exact same idea. It's like 1034 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.960 they use the command voice, but every time they speak 1035 00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.679 that it's command voice, and it's so subtle that you 1036 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.880 couldn't even talk it's just in the pattern. Maybe you 1037 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.400 use like a little cabalistic language to like, you know, 1038 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:33.000 make it a little colorful and there that's that's your package. 1039 00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.559 But it's like subtly, it's like a subtle manipulation. 1040 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:37.119 Mm hmm. 1041 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.159 I would agree one hundred percent. 1042 00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:43.840 Because they control the lighting, They control like everything. 1043 00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:44.679 When you think. 1044 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.079 About Conference, I don't know if you've ever watched Conference Gin, 1045 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:51.320 but it's terrific. But anyway, like the way they speak 1046 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.599 is I definitely have always postulated that they're casting. 1047 00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.800 In my opinion, interesting. 1048 00:47:58.679 --> 00:47:58.760 I. 1049 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.239 Can understand that. I think kytie is that it's some 1050 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:04.880 sort of you know, ritual casting magic stuff, because it's 1051 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:06.199 such a weird thing to watch. 1052 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.519 It's not even like at least the Catholics. They had 1053 00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:10.800 some incense and then make some some music into it's 1054 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.480 just very dry, but it's all. 1055 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.679 You know, will fall asleep, They fall asleep. 1056 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:20.599 It's it's soothing. Okay, you ever fall asleep being soothed? Guys, 1057 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:21.559 It's very fun. 1058 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.480 Except except those of us that see through it and 1059 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:26.760 we're screaming in our heads. 1060 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:30.280 But that's okay. I'm like, get me out of here. 1061 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:31.360 What is happening? 1062 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:34.760 The uh you guys get my way out of almost 1063 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:36.639 every one of those conferences, Hoti, I couldn't do it. 1064 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:37.639 After I went to a on while, I was like, 1065 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:41.280 I will do every chore, this house, the house next door, 1066 00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:43.440 the house down the street, but I don't ever have 1067 00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:44.400 to go back to that agame. 1068 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.400 Oh it's bad, so bad. 1069 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.639 Did you guys, Did you guys read battle Not all 1070 00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:52.559 of you guys read it right? 1071 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.360 Oh yeah, we got detailed from we were talking about 1072 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.159 battlefields here on Earth if you're talking about battlefield er. 1073 00:48:58.360 --> 00:48:59.880 No, but you guys didn't read it right. 1074 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:00.920 I've read it. 1075 00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:02.719 I've never read I've seen I've seen it. 1076 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.960 I was gonna say, don't because it's not a good book, 1077 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:09.039 but like, it's just for anybody who doesn't know like 1078 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:10.800 what this is. And the only reason I'm saying this 1079 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:13.079 is because I want to get somebody like JJ who 1080 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.039 knows a lot about it, because I couldn't see a 1081 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:18.119 lot of what the application of scientology was. So now 1082 00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.000 he starts with an intro of this book. It's written 1083 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.440 in nineteen eighty, towards the end of his life, I think, 1084 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.920 And he said in the intro, He's like, I'm tired 1085 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.679 of writing about dianetics and all of these things. 1086 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:29.760 I want to write. 1087 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.360 Sci fi, old school sci fi, and he talks about 1088 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.639 does it give us long thing of like examples of 1089 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.320 what science fiction is, what it's become. 1090 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:37.800 I take it he didn't like a lot of the 1091 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:38.280 Philip K. 1092 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.079 Dickification of sci fi and he wanted to write old 1093 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:45.119 school Blam rocket you know, space fighting Western Space. 1094 00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:47.599 Well, that was his crew. That was his crew. Arthur C. 1095 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.159 Clark, Isaac Asimov, you know all these guys. Uh yeah, 1096 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.159 I want to say Ray Bradbury by that of him 1097 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:57.480 is all those sci fi writers from that time. They 1098 00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.440 were all part of the same club with the Forest. 1099 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.440 J Ackron was kind of the club leader, the famous 1100 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.159 monsters guy from Hollywood and Forrest j Ackerman would claim 1101 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:10.360 they were all doing Parsons thing. He got a lodge 1102 00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.960 of the Oto and then Hubbard invented this new thing, scientology. 1103 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.079 I'm just he says things and stuff like that, but 1104 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:17.039 it's scientology. 1105 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:18.760 And he said, then we started we all started. 1106 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:21.159 Doing scientology for a while, We all started doing the 1107 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:22.000 new thing for a while. 1108 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:23.280 Yeah. 1109 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.480 Croly did try to warn him. He said he was 1110 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:30.400 a confidence man, and I mean he took his girl 1111 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:33.519 started up his own deal like all of it. 1112 00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:37.000 So oh for sure. He stole most of his biography 1113 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:38.800 from his college roommate, Paul lion Barger. 1114 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.639 I didn't know that. 1115 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:44.760 Whoa Yeah, Paul Liin Barger, very interesting fella. He was 1116 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:46.760 a sci fi writer. He wrote with the name Cordwin 1117 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:50.480 or Smith. He also he also wrote the Army's Manual 1118 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.440 and Psychological Warfare for World War Two. 1119 00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:57.360 M took a job. He took He took a job. 1120 00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:58.679 You know you gotta get you gotta make money. 1121 00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:01.920 Guys, Well this is we're We're all these sci fi 1122 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:06.800 writers involved in the writing psychological warfare manuals for the Army. 1123 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:09.800 On you try keeping the lights come on? 1124 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.920 Yeah, well did y'all know that Michael Likeino wrote, wrote 1125 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:14.880 a bunch of Star Wars fan fiction and one time 1126 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.719 almost broke I think he either try to break in 1127 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.480 or broke into, uh George Lucas's house, knocking on his 1128 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.800 front door or you know, property knocked on his front door. 1129 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.159 Was trying to get him to publish it. 1130 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:29.079 He could see that because George Lucas was into stuff. 1131 00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:31.320 I mean, he's talked about it. He talked about how 1132 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.079 he wasn't doing meditations on the tarot, how he was 1133 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.599 reading the etching, how he was doing the Unfortune's cabala. 1134 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.360 He talked about like that that's was the genesis of 1135 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:43.239 the lore. And I'm not like a super Star Wars person, 1136 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:47.199 but there is. I used to find it superficial. I'm 1137 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.840 just being honest, like I used to find it very superficial. 1138 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:54.079 But actually now I actually can see that there's he's talking. 1139 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:56.840 There is a metaphysics there. Whether I enjoy the films 1140 00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:58.519 or not, I can put that aside and just say 1141 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.800 I think that there is. He thought he could remix it, 1142 00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:05.280 because that's the Quino's thing, right, That's what I always 1143 00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:09.960 bring up, like the Conan Conan, the Hyperborean versus what 1144 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:14.440 all the other magicians love, which is Lovecraft. So everybody's 1145 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.559 talking about like the Abyssal gods and all this, but 1146 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.760 Aquano is actually he was interested in both, and he 1147 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:26.840 wanted to explore like how you could, I guess, weaponize 1148 00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:31.159 the mythology in a magical direction. That's kind of even 1149 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.639 his even the even the Crystal tablets, Like when he's 1150 00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:37.719 writing the Crystal tablets, Yes, they're just books of rules 1151 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.079 and regulations for the Temple of Set. But if you're 1152 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:43.320 good at kabbala. And I'm not saying like I'm anything spectacular, 1153 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.559 I'm not, but you can see that's what he's actually doing. 1154 00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:51.079 He's actually using loyally language to constrict the paths. So 1155 00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.239 if someone joins, it's like all their oats. It's like 1156 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:56.679 a perfect it's like a very legal kind of way 1157 00:52:56.719 --> 00:53:00.400 to do kabbala. Sorry, I mean you're out. 1158 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:07.000 No Lucas is uh. Lucas is kind of McGowan. 1159 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.239 Dave mcgawan writes about it in weird scenes in the Canyon, 1160 00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:12.480 the Lucas Uh being one of the cameramen to film 1161 00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:16.480 the Aultamont massacre for the Rolling Stones concert. Now I 1162 00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.480 don't he even says like I don't know who shot what, 1163 00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:21.440 like who was on there, but he's he was part 1164 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.239 of the I think the usc film department that had 1165 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:26.920 all the major directors of you know what would become 1166 00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.519 the seventies film and stuff. And there's rumors and and 1167 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:31.679 if anyone doesn't know, the Ultimont masacer is basically the 1168 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:33.719 Hell's Angels is just like killing a guy, like stabbing 1169 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:36.159 a guy to death. Multiple people died, but like there's 1170 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:39.000 one apparently caught on camera. I don't know if it's 1171 00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.559 actually in the Rolling Stones Give Me Shelter documentary, which 1172 00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.280 I think you can watch on like Max and stuff, 1173 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.039 but I haven't watched it yet. But apparently, and I 1174 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:48.679 don't know if this is on the MAX copy, you 1175 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.480 can see a guy just getting absolutely destroyed by a 1176 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:55.199 by a Hell's angel. There is reason, I guess, reason 1177 00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:57.360 to suspect that Lucas like filmed some of that and 1178 00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:00.360 maybe there was some ritualistic aspect of it. Even McGowan said, look, 1179 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.760 I don't know, you know, but that's it is runny 1180 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.480 that he's involved in that, Like he's just there. 1181 00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.039 I don't think it's coincidence. And Rolling Stones processed Church 1182 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:09.199 of the Final Judgment. 1183 00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:09.280 M. 1184 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.840 Yeah, Grandpa's weird. 1185 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:20.440 I don't think anyone that is involved in any of 1186 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:21.599 these cults. 1187 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.880 Whether it be the process or Mormons or whatever. 1188 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:28.880 I don't think there's accidents right like and by the way, 1189 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.960 most superstars, like big movie stars, they've all got a 1190 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:34.639 kid that's dead, like almost all of them, Like oh, 1191 00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:39.280 he just was too close to the blinds or whatever whatever, 1192 00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:43.320 like the treadmill cord or like the most random stuff 1193 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:44.559 and all of them have it. 1194 00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.880 I'm like I have I know plenty of people. Not 1195 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:49.519 everybody has one dead kid. 1196 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.639 Sorry, yeah, doesn't. 1197 00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:55.480 I can think of like ten off the top of 1198 00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:57.760 my head right now. Like since you said that, it's crazy, 1199 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:02.000 like John travolt Travolta Eric clapped in Francis fort Ca. 1200 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:07.119 Yeah, and then let's be honest. John travolt has lost 1201 00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.800 two kids, right, he lost that one jet, but he 1202 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:14.079 also lost the fellow name is named Sage Stallone. Take 1203 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.719 one look at Sage Stalone. Tell me his father is 1204 00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:17.599 Sevester Stalloon. 1205 00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:24.199 Oh that's another Jackie thing, another Jackie h. 1206 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:27.960 So travolt Travolta and Salone have been tight for many years. 1207 00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:31.800 In fact, Stallone directed and choreographed the film Staying Live 1208 00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:34.599 starring John Travolta. They got him real greased up, you know, 1209 00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.480 you know Stallone while he was getting real grease up 1210 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.119 while directing Travolta, while he was getting greased up. 1211 00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:43.519 But yeah, they go way back, and that's uh. 1212 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.960 You look at stage Stallone and he looks just like uh, 1213 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:47.719 John Travolta. 1214 00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.119 It goes back to John d Our Buddy. 1215 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.039 Here you swap the wives and she gets pregnant, you 1216 00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:53.920 get to raise the kid. 1217 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.440 So yeah, well, I mean we were doing these sex 1218 00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.400 could stuff. I mean, the Travolta is a scientologist. Seems 1219 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:02.960 like Stallone had a lot of scientology connections, including his 1220 00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:05.719 early agent I believe it was, and then you know 1221 00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.440 he had that weird start and porn and all those 1222 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.280 kind of things. I mean, you know, you look at 1223 00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:11.519 these sex cults and it's like, well, they're probably all 1224 00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:15.599 just banging each other for sure. That's why you got 1225 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:21.360 OJ's daughter growing up as a Kardashian. Definitely, he's a scientologist. 1226 00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:22.920 He went, clear, you're gonna tell me that you don't 1227 00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.519 want to be an enlightened being like orenthal J Simpson. 1228 00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:27.000 OJ was I didn't know. 1229 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:29.800 That wasn't clear? Oh yeah, he w wasn't clear. 1230 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:36.199 Well, before the murders, interesting, they were like, we found 1231 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:38.599 we found them. We found the all time or the 1232 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:42.519 single season rushing record to commit massive sacrifice murders. 1233 00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:43.480 What a steal. 1234 00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.559 Wow, Well that was that was in my opinion, that 1235 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:51.320 was a processed church related cocaine trafficking situation. Was cocaine everywhere, 1236 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:54.719 cocaine Bob's everywhere around the situation. In fact, he was dating. 1237 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.320 He was dating OJ's X girlfriend, the one that got 1238 00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.480 called in around the time of the murders. So you 1239 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:02.960 know what I mean, Paul Barbieri, Yeah, that was Bobby 1240 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:05.559 girl from the time. And then literally like, oh, we 1241 00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:07.679 don't know who could have committed these murders. One of 1242 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.559 the chief witnesses for the state was dating a mob hitman, 1243 00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:14.000 and Nicole Brown's sister was dating a mob hitman, mobbed 1244 00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:15.960 up hitman in Los Angeles, and They're like, we have 1245 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.079 no idea what kind of organized crime outfit could have 1246 00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:21.760 committed these kind of organized crime crime outfit murders. Certainly 1247 00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.039 not the victim's sister's boyfriend. That's that couldn't happened. In fact, 1248 00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:26.440 we'll call her in as a witness. 1249 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:30.800 Well that's a good cover. 1250 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:35.079 But yeah, I weren't tall, Jay Simpson scientologists for sure, Wow, 1251 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:36.119 proud wow. 1252 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:37.079 Proud scientologists. 1253 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.599 That's why you seen was Priscilla Presley and the naked 1254 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.719 guns here, proud scientologists. 1255 00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.639 Priscilla Pressley and as she was, I didn't know about 1256 00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.400 him though, I didn't know about that. Yeah, wow, how 1257 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:52.920 do you think ower? 1258 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.039 Yeah, I mean, yeah, channel. 1259 00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:59.039 That's how they'd get me that's how they'd get me. 1260 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:00.639 They'd be like, hey, dude, you can the leagues leading 1261 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:03.039 rusher for here. 1262 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:05.119 I'll tell you, guys anything, record it. 1263 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:11.320 I don't care coming in, Yeah, I gotta do it. 1264 00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.119 Fine, guys, Fine, I really want to bought this record. 1265 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.559 Fine, Yeah, it's okay, it's totally fine. Do what you want. 1266 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:19.800 They said it was a coffee anema. 1267 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:20.599 I didn't know. 1268 00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:28.400 Oh man, those living I'm sorry, damn man, damn. 1269 00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:30.000 I'm telling these folks are everywhere. 1270 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.079 And when he's saying that these folks are gonna come together, 1271 00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:33.880 I like to joke that it's that they're gonna come 1272 00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:37.239 together like Vultron. They're ancient alien cargo cults come together 1273 00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:40.159 like Vultron. They look separate and they come together like Voltron, 1274 00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:44.840 YEP Catholics, Mormon scientologists, or Jehovah's witnesses. They all do 1275 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:48.000 their own function within these ancient alien cargo cult networks, 1276 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.199 in my opinion, And one day I was like, all right, 1277 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.000 is it time to blast off or out of your folks? 1278 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.440 And I'm like, let them go. Just folks like Elon 1279 00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:56.440 Musk want let them launch himself in Mars, let me 1280 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:56.800 go and. 1281 00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:58.440 Let all these people launch themself out of here. 1282 00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.360 I'll never stop anybody from leaving Earth. Yeah, you watch 1283 00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:02.880 them try it. Go ahead. 1284 00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:06.760 Oh by that rocket simulation thing weeks ago with all 1285 00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:07.400 the ladies on it. 1286 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.559 I wish I just kept going, just keep going. They 1287 00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:11.360 can't keep going. 1288 00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:12.760 They didn't go anywhere. 1289 00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:15.199 They can't they just. 1290 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:18.960 Oh my gosh, get. 1291 00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:20.840 Her out and just keep going like I'd go further. 1292 00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:21.920 She's the Pope. 1293 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:23.400 She can't leave now. 1294 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:24.760 That's true. 1295 00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.320 Yeah, she's just doing cabala. That's all. 1296 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:31.400 That was the whole thing, humiliation ritual. 1297 00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:34.840 I didn't even think it was that. I think that 1298 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.360 they take them like up however high they can even go. 1299 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:40.480 Up. 1300 00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.159 I think they went into some zero G thing if 1301 00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.079 we were being really honest, but I think, okay, we'll 1302 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.159 just say it was real whatever that even means. So 1303 00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:53.440 they went up as high as they go, and they're like, oh, 1304 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.039 it's touching the ploroma, like you could describe it as 1305 00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:59.159 that and like a gnostic experience, like you're sort of breaching, 1306 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.239 you know, the veil of the world. You're crossing the 1307 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:05.079 abyss in the most literal way, because you're crossing through 1308 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.159 space and time at the same time. 1309 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:13.159 Oprah's friend. No, no, I interrupted you. 1310 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:15.519 The one lady that was Oprah's friend. She's like, but 1311 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.360 have you gone to space? And I'm like, you are stupid. 1312 01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:23.639 You make women look so stupid. I'm just like. 1313 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:30.960 King friends, the marketing the marketing acer friends, Yeah, child sex. 1314 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:35.639 Exactly. And I just shake my head and go, oh 1315 01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:39.079 my gosh, like, how is it that these women are 1316 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.440 not even that hot and guys are still like and 1317 01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.000 they're so hot and great look at them, and I'm. 1318 01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:45.440 Like, this is the end of humanity. 1319 01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:46.599 That's fine? 1320 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:54.119 Yeah, will you say j Yeah, you just said something, 1321 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:56.119 go ahead. 1322 01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:58.519 Well, just making a remark. I was making a retort 1323 01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.960 about Aprah Winfrey house. She's so how does she still 1324 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.280 walk the earth without getting questions about stuff? She has 1325 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:05.880 all the money agent, she got some money. But she 1326 01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.360 was a marketing agent for that Brazilian sex trafficking cult 1327 01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:09.000 leader John. 1328 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.719 And god, yeah, that shi was crazy. 1329 01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:14.519 She did so many events for that dude, had them 1330 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.960 on the show and so dude, like a lot of 1331 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:19.000 kids got dialed as a result of Oprah Winterfrey. 1332 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.800 Oh yeah, they're all involved for sure. 1333 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.880 One hundred and her her wife was on that ship, right, 1334 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:29.920 her beard was on the spacecraft. 1335 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:36.320 Right, Gail, Yeah no, she was right, Yeah, yeah, name. 1336 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.840 That's her beard. That's definitely her beard. Let's get it, 1337 01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:39.840 let's let's get real. 1338 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:42.159 They both they both took down They both took down 1339 01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.440 Charlie Rose together so Gail could get her own show. 1340 01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:49.440 And yeah, well look at look at Oprah Wintererfrey's husband. 1341 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:51.559 He's like a little dainty looking fella, you know what 1342 01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.280 I mean. They look like the weirdest looking couple too. 1343 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:56.559 Like when you see her with the gay old Gail, 1344 01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:59.320 they're which, they're always together. He's never around, you know 1345 01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:01.039 what I mean, Like you never see him around. You 1346 01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:03.199 always see her. And it's a you can gotta tell, 1347 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:06.119 you know, I mean, there's a there's an appearance, there, a. 1348 01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:08.760 Good indicator. Right. 1349 01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:14.719 Well, it were just the fact, Gale, just the fact 1350 01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:16.159 they're all in the ring together. 1351 01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:18.320 It just I just see it. 1352 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:21.159 And what what makes me laugh is so many people 1353 01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:24.480 still think a crap like that is real and not 1354 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:27.559 what Jin said. It's like a ritual. 1355 01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.079 I could definitely see the op Her and her beard 1356 01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:30.800 being cultists. 1357 01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:33.280 Well they just think of it. I mean, you could 1358 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:36.039 think of it just like scientology. You can just say okay, 1359 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.000 they're going clear, because what is clear clear is really 1360 01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:42.760 turquoise is very like old fashion kabala idea. It's like 1361 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:44.760 the color of turquoise, which can also be the day 1362 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:46.840 sky or the night sky, because both of those colors 1363 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:48.840 a lot bess and turqoise are really the same thing. 1364 01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:52.199 That's kind of how it's considered. So yeah, they're just 1365 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.880 they're they're touching the you know, the pristine clarity of God. 1366 01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:59.000 That's how they would think of it. It's not even 1367 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.320 that big of a deal because, like you really, it's 1368 01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:03.800 like when Nikolas says, you're not just a that's a 1369 01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.280 you just have a magical experience in your mind. It's 1370 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:10.400 not it's not it's not that whatever that is, Like yeah, 1371 01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:14.239 maybe that's spiritually profound or whatever. But I mean, you know, 1372 01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.360 she was acting like very weird. 1373 01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:23.920 Afterwards, definitely very very supreme being. She was like, I 1374 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.679 went to space and you didn't. So and then Katy 1375 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.440 Perry kissing the dirt. I was like, get up, what 1376 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:32.079 are you doing? You're so weird. 1377 01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:34.320 Well, if you look at the. 1378 01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:40.639 No I was just saying that that Actually what Heidi 1379 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:43.559 just said was interesting because it's like the you know, 1380 01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.400 the Uranus and the chronos. It's like the sky and 1381 01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:48.679 the primordial. 1382 01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:54.079 That makes sense. Well, at least that makes some sense 1383 01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.320 of the situation, because when I seen it, I was like, 1384 01:03:56.400 --> 01:04:00.000 this is stupid. This is so stupid that I can't 1385 01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:03.280 I mean, it's just funny to me that people don't 1386 01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:05.440 see through it and they're like. 1387 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:07.239 Did you see this cool thing? 1388 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:10.039 And I'm like, I this is why I don't have friends. 1389 01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:15.119 So I have you guys, but I'm like, yeah, I 1390 01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.840 can't talk about this like that, Like you okay, that's fine, Yeah, 1391 01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:19.719 keep walking. 1392 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:23.960 Well, if you look at who invented a space force, 1393 01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:32.639 aside from the Catholics then travel rockets. These are l 1394 01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:35.440 Ron's buddies. This is Isaac Asimov, This is Arthur C. Clark, 1395 01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.320 the folks that also, for some reason, when the appoll 1396 01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:42.239 that cut out in. 1397 01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:44.000 My back Oh yeah, yeah, yeah good. 1398 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:46.039 The Arthur C. 1399 01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:49.599 Clark and Isaac Asimov also, strangely enough, besides inventing rockets 1400 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:52.320 and space travel before science came up with these concepts, 1401 01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:55.119 like they came up with them first, they were also 1402 01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:58.199 doing the live broadcast. 1403 01:04:57.760 --> 01:04:58.920 Of the Apollo eleven launch. 1404 01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:02.559 I can sixty nine, yeah, and you talking about to 1405 01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:04.760 Last sixties, nineteen sixty nine to be precise. 1406 01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:06.280 Yeah, and you talk about Arthur C. 1407 01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:09.400 Clarke writes what book for Stanley Kubrick to adapt? I 1408 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:12.119 mean two thousand and one of Space Odyssey. It's crazy. 1409 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:13.400 It is crazy. 1410 01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:17.039 Well, it's even crazier when you see that again, these 1411 01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.320 are all al Ron's friends. They're the ones bringing a space. 1412 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:21.679 They all seem to have a prelection towards children. 1413 01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:24.320 Yeah, what was the what was the pulp publication that 1414 01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:25.760 they all started under? Do you know? 1415 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.559 Because that that's I'd like to look into that. That's interesting, 1416 01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:31.199 Like it was an early pulp They they're all friends. 1417 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:32.840 From their pulp days, and this is battlefield Earth. 1418 01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:35.840 They say, like l Ron Hubbard, serializing like a year's 1419 01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:38.039 worth of like a pulp story essentially is what he's 1420 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:41.599 what he's doing. But they come from an old I 1421 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:43.000 don't know if it's the same one as like Robert 1422 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:44.599 y Howard in them from back in the day, but 1423 01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:47.079 it was it was a similar process, And I wonder like, 1424 01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:48.519 what was that magazine all about? 1425 01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:50.559 Yeah, that's what I was talking about. 1426 01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:53.360 This it's an entire club of folks and it spawns 1427 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:57.119 and spawns, Marvel and DC comics. The ringleader, the ringleader 1428 01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:58.599 of the bunch is a guy by the name of 1429 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:03.239 Forrest j Ackerman. He's a Hollywood legend and monsters, monster stuff. 1430 01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:07.719 So yeah, the well, that just reminds me of a 1431 01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:12.000 different scientology situation. I tell you, had I previously had 1432 01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:14.920 had secluded this other thought in the way back of 1433 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.800 my brain hole beneath a lot of bong resin and 1434 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.760 you know, malted hops. But when we're talking scientology and 1435 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:25.199 monster stuff in Hollywood and John Travolta, and this is 1436 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:30.000 not for Jackumen related, but if you know the film. 1437 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.440 Get Shorty, Yes, so Get Shorty. 1438 01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:34.440 Gene Hackman, who I is high, was high on my 1439 01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:37.440 list as a secret scientologist long before his mysterious death. 1440 01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:40.800 He just did way too many films with Travolts and 1441 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:43.880 Cruise and other scientologists. Just it's the sheer volume of 1442 01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:46.480 times you're you're acting opposite of a sciential, a known 1443 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:49.880 scientologist from like, wait a second, buddy, what's going on here? 1444 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:52.840 But he plays this kind of. 1445 01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:57.400 B rate horror film dude right, like in Hollywood, right, 1446 01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.760 that's his character and Get Shorty right, So that in 1447 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:05.119 my opinion, that's Roger Corman, legendary b rate film horror 1448 01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:09.119 director and very close friends BFFs if you will with 1449 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:15.559 cocaine Bob Evans. MM, so you know this weird kind 1450 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:18.400 of again this uh you know this scientology. You know 1451 01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:21.400 they're there, it's the scientologists making movies telling stories about 1452 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:23.639 their scientologists, you know what I mean. But you know 1453 01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.400 they all seem to have some weird uh yeah, he 1454 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:26.679 asked me. 1455 01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:27.760 They all have weird predilections. 1456 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:31.360 Maybe Travolta's isn't kids, but he certainly got handsy with 1457 01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:33.599 a number of masseus, as it seems, and I can 1458 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:36.119 attest to him being a little bit uh handsy myself, 1459 01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:39.559 so not not thankfully, not as bad as the messuss. 1460 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:41.320 I was like, wait a second, John, let's back it 1461 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:41.800 off here now. 1462 01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:43.039 But he's like, get off of me. 1463 01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:44.320 Yeah. 1464 01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:47.440 I was like, this is an inappropriate friend. Well, you 1465 01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:47.840 know what I mean. 1466 01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:49.800 They all seem to be the weird stuff, right, like 1467 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:50.880 weird sexual stuff. 1468 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:51.119 Right. 1469 01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:54.840 JJ's like, listen, I don't need no Roy Cohne picture. Bitch, 1470 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.159 back it up, back it up. 1471 01:07:59.079 --> 01:07:59.760 What were you saying? 1472 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:02.960 Oh? I just wanted to say that it's interesting that 1473 01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:06.000 you brought up Roger Corman because obviously he did all 1474 01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:11.039 those Argentinian Sword and Sandal movies. So it is like 1475 01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:14.039 it is sort of like what I was referring to. 1476 01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:16.439 It's like there's a division between like who prefers the 1477 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:20.560 Hyperborean mythos and Hooper for prefers the Lovecraftians who were 1478 01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:23.840 seeing like monster creators, like people did special effects makeup? 1479 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:26.199 Those would Yeah, that you would be drawing for more 1480 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:29.399 from that mythology, right, because that's what that mythology is 1481 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.600 more about, whereas the Hyperborian mythology is like you as 1482 01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:36.159 the hero, you as the sem us Adaman team man 1483 01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:39.119 or the magician or whatever. So it's like it's like 1484 01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:42.319 a different preference. It's like the difference between like Martness 1485 01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:43.680 and Rose Recrusians. 1486 01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:45.600 Well yeah, and you think about that in terms of 1487 01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:47.520 like the Pulps, Right, what were the two big pulp 1488 01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:49.760 things or two out of the big three. You had Western, 1489 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:52.439 you had crime, and you had sci Fi. Right, so 1490 01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:53.680 that's a good way. 1491 01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:54.159 You know. 1492 01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:57.000 Elmore Leonard I think started in the Pulps too, which 1493 01:08:57.039 --> 01:08:59.720 he did get Shorty the novel, and I don't know 1494 01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:01.800 if you connection there, but you talk about like all 1495 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.520 the guys from coming from the pulse, and then you 1496 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:06.640 got the guys coming from the sci fi stuff. And 1497 01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:10.079 I the terms Gin said are the hyperborean one, which 1498 01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:12.039 is a more fantastical one. But if you could cover 1499 01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:14.560 that all in magazines that get readily distributed, because this 1500 01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:16.439 is how people read back then, like not everyone was 1501 01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:19.560 writing novel. It's a very lucrative thing for fiction authors 1502 01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:21.960 to do. Is el Ron Hubbard first started making a 1503 01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:26.119 bunch of at least on the record money. 1504 01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:27.079 Oh for sure. 1505 01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:29.439 And I cut out there for a minutes. I missed 1506 01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:31.800 gen statements there. I can put a book hand here, 1507 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:32.880 like cut out a game. 1508 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:35.760 You're getting back. Okay. 1509 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:38.520 What I was getting out there with all these folks 1510 01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.479 is you know, they're this, this whole sci fi writers 1511 01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:43.920 crew is they're they're all kind of doing these weird 1512 01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:45.920 sexual proclivities. 1513 01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.279 Generally with children. Oh yeah, and with Arthur C. 1514 01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:51.000 Clark, so bad that they the British government brandished him 1515 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.920 to Sri Lanka. That's pretty bad. When you got Prince Andrew, 1516 01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:57.680 his uncle Seville. You know Clement Freud. Clement Freud's is 1517 01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.960 six son of a bitch, uh segment four, it's grandson 1518 01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:03.039 they're all run around the UK and they said, Arthur, 1519 01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:05.319 you're doing too much. You got to go to Sri Lanka. 1520 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:08.039 So what I'm saying is, what you know, is this 1521 01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:10.319 at a cult thing that these guys are bending our 1522 01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:14.319 ideas of space, They're diddling kids to a Sri Lankan level, 1523 01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:16.680 you know, what's going on? Or just magic? What are 1524 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:19.000 we talking about here? You know, because that's really what 1525 01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:20.880 I think is. You know, Elron was trying to sell 1526 01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:23.319 here in Battlefield Earth on a large, you know, a 1527 01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:26.720 large commercial scale. Is these ideas whatever, whatever they're doing 1528 01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:30.199 with this nexus point of their strange activities within these 1529 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:33.199 sci fi crew that have invented the ideas of rocket 1530 01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:35.640 and space, traut and everything else that we see, you know, 1531 01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:38.560 in these later things like you know, lots of stories, 1532 01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.199 but you know, things like Battlefield Earth, you know, which 1533 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:43.560 I'm assuming is again trying to perpetrate these ideas on 1534 01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:44.279 a larger scale. 1535 01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:46.960 But there seems to be something deeper into this occult 1536 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:49.520 aspects of it. To me, I don't know enough about 1537 01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:51.520 the cult. I'm just saying, like, it's weird to me 1538 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:53.159 that you're going to invent these ideas of space. 1539 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:55.840 This group of sci fi writers do it on a 1540 01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:59.560 mass you know, publication scale, and then these people are 1541 01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:02.840 also in a weird kids stuff just magic stuff too. 1542 01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:04.039 But I'm saying the weird kid. 1543 01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:06.520 Stuff, Well, what if you really. 1544 01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:09.359 Believed right with the magic stuff, right, let's go hand 1545 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:13.239 in hand at times, right, what do. 1546 01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:15.840 You really what if you they really believe they're channeling 1547 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:18.000 spirits like Heidi off and talks about. 1548 01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:20.720 I think they really. 1549 01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:23.000 Stuff to the movies, dude, Is that what you're saying 1550 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:23.680 about right now? 1551 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.319 Well, if they really believe it, Like I don't believe 1552 01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:28.399 in that, Like I don't believe they can even do it, 1553 01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:32.319 so that I might think you might be anti supernaturalist perspective, 1554 01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:37.279 which is more my perspective, so I don't. But regardless, 1555 01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:39.359 they believe that they can and they believe that they're 1556 01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:43.039 speaking to spirits. So if the as we said, like 1557 01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:47.319 you can divide the hosts the angels into into each suffer, 1558 01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:49.960 there's like a classification and a hierarchy and like who 1559 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:53.319 you get with, what name you call, So that's that's 1560 01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:54.359 really what they're doing. 1561 01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.399 They're like, but I don't think they I think the 1562 01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:01.319 angels lie to them, just like John said, and their demons. 1563 01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:04.399 Not it's not it's not necessarily demons. It's that they 1564 01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:05.079 have their. 1565 01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:06.960 Own well they call them. 1566 01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:07.840 I mean we have to. 1567 01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:08.840 I totally get it. 1568 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:09.479 I totally get it. 1569 01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:16.800 Outer realm whatever, outer realm. 1570 01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:19.560 Okay, that's fine. My host is there was a processed term, 1571 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:21.159 So I don't know if I can use that term. 1572 01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:22.279 Okay, me won't. 1573 01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:27.720 Okay, there's higher realms, the highest realm, right, Like, you 1574 01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:31.119 can't contact the highest realm if you're clear down here 1575 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:35.159 unless you know your ship. And so what you're gonna 1576 01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:38.560 get when you start doing this solemonic magic is you're 1577 01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.840 gonna get the lower realm first, and they're gonna lie 1578 01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.119 their ass off to you, and then they're going to 1579 01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:49.000 use all this weird kiddy stuff and debauchery to power 1580 01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:50.119 up they are. 1581 01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:56.439 They're sure what if these, though, are really expressions of 1582 01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:58.880 like the darkness of their own mind, Like just think 1583 01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:01.760 of it and away, like the mind does the Carnic. 1584 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:05.760 Cave scenario, dude, is that we're talking about? Yeah, do 1585 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:07.840 you think that I agree with manifests? 1586 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.319 Can that act as an agent and just manifestation? I mean, 1587 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:12.239 I don't know if manifestation is real or not, but 1588 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:14.960 like I mean, let's just say, you know, even if 1589 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:17.199 you believe that, you believe, are you not contributing to 1590 01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:19.800 some collective pool of other people doing that like Jen 1591 01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:22.000 And in that sense, does it make it somewhat real 1592 01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:22.920 at that point? 1593 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:27.760 Yeah, I believe you think about Giant Marshmalloman in my page. 1594 01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:30.039 For sure, I think they're. 1595 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:33.880 Channeling, but not always because not everyone's an adept magician. 1596 01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:35.560 So I think gin is right. 1597 01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:38.960 There are people that it could go sixes like these 1598 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:41.399 people over here are magicians, but these people over here 1599 01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:44.520 might just be not as stable and in their own 1600 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:48.399 head and like still contributing to that debauchery pool that's sesspool. 1601 01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:51.039 So it could be multiple things, you know. 1602 01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:53.319 That's what it is. It's like that's even with the 1603 01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:57.439 factions with process that's talking about, like the Hollywood connections 1604 01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.640 from scientology, like the people don't have to all alignment 1605 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:02.520 and maybe that's a big obviously. 1606 01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:06.800 No, right it helps if they're right. 1607 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:10.039 They're not Yeah, yeah, I don't be they are precoherent. 1608 01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:13.560 It's like all the you can kind of capture people more. 1609 01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.199 It's more attention grabbing if things are decoherent, because they're 1610 01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:20.640 like you know, we always joke if you have daddy issues, yeah, 1611 01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:24.840 maybe you'll become a neopagan because like you have issues 1612 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:26.720 with daddy God, so then you'll be like, oh, I'm 1613 01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:29.880 gonna worship like these other gods. But they're really just 1614 01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:32.520 the opposite of the thing that you came for, or 1615 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:36.079 maybe even the same thing in many cases. So it's like, 1616 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:38.880 what do you You can only achieve that when you 1617 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.920 have other options. So you have like the multiple permutations 1618 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.600 of scientology X process. 1619 01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:48.319 Well, and you can achieve only what you believe. 1620 01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:51.199 So, like what you said, if somebody is a magician 1621 01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:54.520 or messing with magical stuff, that doesn't mean everyone is. 1622 01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:57.199 That's for the elect that's for like the top of 1623 01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:00.399 the top that have had the access somehow to get 1624 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:00.840 into a. 1625 01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:02.600 Mystery school type situation. 1626 01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:04.720 But the rest of these people, like I always say 1627 01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:07.800 on my podcast, because people say to me, oh this 1628 01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:10.720 is so new age or this is oh skip this episode, 1629 01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:13.920 I'm like, listen to me, it doesn't matter what you believe. 1630 01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:17.560 It matters what they believe, because what they believe is 1631 01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:19.159 charging the shit s. 1632 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:21.680 So yeah, even if. 1633 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:25.680 It's not real, like Jin said, like even it could 1634 01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:27.159 be maybe so, but. 1635 01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:30.359 It is the buy in, I guess, kind of the 1636 01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:31.520 real magic in a sense. 1637 01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:32.199 Sometimes. 1638 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.760 I mean, yeah, I think Nick can attest like this 1639 01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:40.119 is for polemonic magic is nothing to be played with 1640 01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:43.600 on a on a minuscule level. It is big, you know, 1641 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:48.399 And so yeah, I don't think normal people would touch it. 1642 01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:53.920 That's even the whole problem. When I think people get 1643 01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:56.880 into the Goatias, they totally forget like the Alms was 1644 01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:58.680 a three or four of the books prior to that 1645 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:02.000 that you're supposed to read about angel, right, It's like, no, 1646 01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:04.800 I'm just gonna totally at the end of the year, 1647 01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:06.920 I'm just gonna play with that. 1648 01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:09.840 Yeah, you're gonna do yeah, because you can join the 1649 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:13.760 one hundred and forty four names, right, because they're really 1650 01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:16.720 names of the of the same thing, the same entity. 1651 01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:18.079 I'm not saying I believe it. 1652 01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:21.079 I'm just saying that's what well, but if they believe it, 1653 01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:23.760 And here's the thing, Nix right, Like, that's what I 1654 01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:26.600 say about Joseph Smith that I really do think he 1655 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:30.079 was a magician because Curly tips his hat, so I 1656 01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:33.119 really do think he channeled. But he didn't do what 1657 01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:36.079 Nick said and read the previous books to protect his 1658 01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:38.800 ass and then he made his stupid Jupiter talisman wrong, 1659 01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:40.920 so he died. That's what happened. 1660 01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:43.399 Well, I think he definitely came from like one of 1661 01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:47.479 those families we'll call it noveldline, but families that played 1662 01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:51.960 in the polarities, right, because right, he's a sailanm family 1663 01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:56.079 he inherited like the Bible slash Gromoir, et cetera, et cetera. 1664 01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:59.960 And so I I, as I've told you hiding many times, 1665 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:05.600 I don't dislike. I find Joseph Smith very fascinating personally, yes, yes, 1666 01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:07.399 but I'm not a Mormon and I'm not affiliate. I 1667 01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:09.439 don't want to be a Mormon. I'm just clarifying that. 1668 01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:12.000 But I do find Joseph Smith very compelling. 1669 01:17:12.039 --> 01:17:15.359 Maybe, But here's the thing, not everybody's at that level. 1670 01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:17.920 So I think you're right too, Like it's not one 1671 01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:21.279 person is right. I think it's multitudes of things, because 1672 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:24.279 you're right too. Whereas most people don't even know what 1673 01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:26.760 the goatia is. Go walk up to ten people on 1674 01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:30.359 the street, They're not going to know what you're talking about. 1675 01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:34.520 You's that question You're talking about sausage, like get. 1676 01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:39.840 A you know, they will like people don't know even 1677 01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:43.399 if you start saying like folk magic, maybe they'll know 1678 01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:46.640 that word, but they're not going to be playing with 1679 01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.479 these things. So I think Gin's right too, where some 1680 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:51.760 people are in their own heads and look at how 1681 01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:55.159 many people just be They're like, oh, I'm so important, 1682 01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:57.319 and I think that's what the movie stars do, and 1683 01:17:57.359 --> 01:17:58.399 they're just going too. 1684 01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:00.279 They're just a higher level. 1685 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:03.880 Goam most of the time, not always, not always. 1686 01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:08.000 I heard your comment about Joseph Smith, Chen, and you 1687 01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:11.000 claim not to be Mormon. I'll uh appreciate you out 1688 01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:13.760 yourself as not a Mormon. Never asked you that question, 1689 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:20.600 clarified that. But my fault, Jena Ninja not a Mormon. 1690 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:23.239 It's more, it's more my delimited fault not not asking 1691 01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:25.439 you that, not verifying. I I asked Glenna he was 1692 01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:27.319 a scientologist. I also didn't ask me he was a Mormon. 1693 01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:28.079 So I failed again. 1694 01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:32.600 There were all Mark Safe. 1695 01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:36.960 We weren't Mark Safe yesterday. We weren't Mark. 1696 01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:38.880 Oh yeah, I don't know what was over that. 1697 01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:42.680 So I like to look at Joseph Smith this way, Jenna, 1698 01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:45.319 to piggyback on your comment, is I look at it 1699 01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:47.800 like Charles Manson. He's he's kind of a part of 1700 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:51.359 American folklore, right, He's this very intriguing character. Did a 1701 01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:53.920 lot of the same things in fact, but he's very 1702 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:56.720 intriguing character, is very much a part of the American folklore. 1703 01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:01.039 You know, the landscape of American folklore, right as much 1704 01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:01.479 as you know. 1705 01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:04.640 So I'll say this, so. 1706 01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:06.840 I'll retract my thing about not being a Mormon. I'm 1707 01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:11.680 definitely not a Mormon. No, I'm not a Mormon. I 1708 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:14.279 did retract it because I'll say this, I am interested 1709 01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:17.800 in like speculative American narcissism. I think that's a really 1710 01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:20.239 interesting idea, and i think that's what they were all 1711 01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:24.039 interested in too. So I'm not saying that I'm like 1712 01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:26.720 them or I'm like do what they were doing, but 1713 01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:31.720 i would like to explore, deconstructing the ideas and maybe 1714 01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:35.600 even like looking at the fictional ways, like the novel 1715 01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:38.880 of how They kind of I'm saying the movie failed, 1716 01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:42.399 but the movie is an imperfect vehicle that actually the 1717 01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:45.840 word is more metaphysically potent. But you have to get 1718 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:48.680 the eyes on the book, like Glenn was saying, like 1719 01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:51.079 people have to have a buy in whether it's like 1720 01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:55.680 just reading it, that's a buy in. But then it's 1721 01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:59.159 like up to your levels of discrimination. That's why has 1722 01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:01.119 said and gebra, I know I talk about this so much, 1723 01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:03.560 but yeah, that's why those things have to talk. 1724 01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:04.520 About the Mormons too much. 1725 01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:07.680 Don't feel bad, Okay, Well that's why those things have 1726 01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:10.680 to come together in synthesis because it's like the discrimination 1727 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.640 with the perception at the same time, like you have 1728 01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:16.039 to be able to discern what you're seeing. You can't 1729 01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:19.159 just believe it all. So that's the fire and the 1730 01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:22.119 water thing. And I also think if I was a Mormon, 1731 01:20:22.479 --> 01:20:25.359 I would actually tell you that, oh you are Mormon 1732 01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.279 water or the world's going to end in fire. You 1733 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:32.439 would pick a side. But I'm saying the tipperatic reasoning 1734 01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:33.159 is stronger. 1735 01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:37.079 So I'm saying meet well, just because I say that 1736 01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:41.479 they aren't what I would do. Remember, my whole problem 1737 01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:44.800 with them is not the history, not the studying, not 1738 01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:45.279 all of it. 1739 01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:49.039 Is that they are lying. They lie their asses off 1740 01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:50.119 and harness the energy. 1741 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:53.239 So here's my problem is, like I said on the 1742 01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:55.920 show the other day, what we were on, I said, listen, 1743 01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:58.319 I got no problem with the church. If they would 1744 01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:00.720 come out and say that they're just a magical order, 1745 01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:03.840 and and then there was silence and we moved on. 1746 01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:09.159 So maybe that's what you're here. Maybe you're here to 1747 01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:10.960 like say like, yeah, we're coming. 1748 01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:11.720 On right, like just. 1749 01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:16.039 And let them use their own magic and stop stop 1750 01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:16.840 using people. 1751 01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:21.119 I hate that, so I appreciate your thoughts. They are 1752 01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:26.079 elder gen you sound like lower damons. 1753 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:28.760 You gotta change your name now it's going to be 1754 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:30.119 elder ninja. 1755 01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:34.079 Or you have to say the ninja, not the elder. 1756 01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:40.359 I wouldn't that would give me a lot of cache 1757 01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:40.920 on on. 1758 01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:41.640 I g. 1759 01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:47.159 Oh, yeah, I would get all the call accounts would 1760 01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:48.840 follow me. What what name? 1761 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:49.680 What name? 1762 01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:53.119 Frater freighter gin. 1763 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:58.039 That's a very pop right, that's kind of right. 1764 01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:00.600 I mean they're all they're all talking about it, though, 1765 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:02.680 they're all being like, oh, we remake and. 1766 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:06.760 We'll call Nick Broyer Nick, and we'll call Heidi Sawyer Heidi. 1767 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:12.840 Because see, if you know, if you realize I've I've 1768 01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:16.600 already changed my name. I don't think anybody knows since 1769 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:18.760 people can just call themselves doctors and they're not. And 1770 01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:19.800 I'm going to say I'm a cardinal. 1771 01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:22.159 We're a doctor, right, you're not a doctor. 1772 01:22:22.359 --> 01:22:24.239 No, no, but I mean if you don't have to be, 1773 01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:27.279 you could just clease, I guess. So, yeah, I'm a cardinal, 1774 01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:30.840 the cardinal with the ocult rejects. So now whenever I 1775 01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.840 say anything anything occult, you can't even question me because 1776 01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:34.920 I have that fake name. 1777 01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:38.319 We have to now listen, since we're all a cult rejects. 1778 01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:40.319 When we come on, we have to say, we have 1779 01:22:40.439 --> 01:22:42.119 to give our homage to Cardinal Nick. 1780 01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:49.520 There some of the stupidest shi do every episode whenever Nick, you. 1781 01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:53.479 Yea cardinal, fe over here. 1782 01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:54.359 See. 1783 01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:55.600 I respect the hierarchy. 1784 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:01.479 I have no idea there once like what the hell 1785 01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:01.760 are they? 1786 01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:05.880 Yeah, you know, I I'm all for the I'm all 1787 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:09.399 for like titles before your name. Just everybody's a doctor 1788 01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:10.600 until proven otherwise, and. 1789 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:11.960 Usually they prove otherwise. 1790 01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:16.319 So yeah, sorry, because they just make ones on Twitter. 1791 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:19.079 You go on there and big guy with like sixty 1792 01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:23.000 thousand followers, it's like, hey, guys, take every shot right now, 1793 01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:27.319 everything or I'll and they just do that and you're like, 1794 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:28.279 what are your credentials? 1795 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:30.520 And they're like just just some demons. 1796 01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:32.000 Yeah I'm a democrat. 1797 01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:36.880 Yeah, yeah, exactly, I'm a doctor obviously that's my that's 1798 01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:37.439 my crentel. 1799 01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:39.199 So you know, if you could if there as much 1800 01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:40.560 of a doctor as you are a cardinal. 1801 01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:44.479 So well, I am a nurse and I really am 1802 01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:49.159 a nurse. So there's that and that's true. Yeah, And 1803 01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:52.119 actually I found it funny the other day because there 1804 01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:54.439 was an explanation that I'd never heard before, and I 1805 01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:57.560 wondered if it was because I actually am in the 1806 01:23:57.640 --> 01:23:58.359 medical field. 1807 01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:01.479 But that was just my suspect. So we can cut 1808 01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:02.000 this part out. 1809 01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:07.479 Not the vice president. I'm not just playing with I 1810 01:24:07.560 --> 01:24:09.600 wish you were ye. 1811 01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:13.079 Vote for you start, just run, dude. 1812 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:15.000 And Jin is going by Friday. Jin Now, so. 1813 01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:18.720 Oh my gosh, I didn't change it. 1814 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:19.319 I did. 1815 01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:24.960 It changed. That shouldn't be, but it makes so much 1816 01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:25.560 more sense. 1817 01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:27.479 I don't want to join an order. 1818 01:24:27.560 --> 01:24:28.239 I already got. 1819 01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:34.479 You, guys. 1820 01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:39.359 Everybody both in the l d S do. 1821 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:43.079 If you go back to the olden days of Joseph Smith, 1822 01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:46.279 they did call each other Broyer and Sawyer. In the 1823 01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:49.039 Mormon f l d S Church, they still do. And 1824 01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:51.960 if you know about magical orders, as Nick and j J, 1825 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:55.520 I'm sure Jin, you guys know that's a magical name. Yeah. 1826 01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:58.520 Well even in the in the O t O, well 1827 01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:00.560 you got a brother and the sister and once you 1828 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:02.720 become a member, yep. 1829 01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:08.199 But they literally say Broyer and Sawyer still in that family. Yeah, 1830 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:15.399 oh you're good. I just I find it fascinating. And 1831 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:20.520 I only know that because my sister married U, one 1832 01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:24.680 of the top pluggies out there. So no disrespect to anybody. 1833 01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:29.840 But he was Warren just nephew, so oh yeah, right, yeah, 1834 01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:33.399 but he's a nice guy. He's out, he's out. 1835 01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:34.319 Yeah. 1836 01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:40.079 But yeah, it got weird, I'll say, I mean that's 1837 01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:41.359 that's that's a connection. 1838 01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:47.000 Oh yeah, I well it was. And and poor him 1839 01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:48.880 because like what did he ever do? 1840 01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:49.680 You know what I mean? 1841 01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:52.600 He just trying to get out but someone's name. 1842 01:25:52.640 --> 01:25:55.239 But he went to Texas well, I mean he was 1843 01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:57.239 in it, and he wrote a book about this. But 1844 01:25:57.640 --> 01:25:59.760 he went to Texas and he was part of the 1845 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:02.680 whole thing. And then he got kicked out and all 1846 01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:05.159 this stuff. But he was named in all the books 1847 01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:07.800 when they arrested him, so they wouldn't give his kids 1848 01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:10.880 back because they thought that he was in on stuff. 1849 01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:13.199 He was supposed to be one of the next profits. 1850 01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:16.560 And so yeah, it was a whole sounds like some 1851 01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.520 politics want to play a role in that too, right. 1852 01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:21.199 Yeah, he didn't get him back. They gave him back 1853 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.439 to the Plagamis people. I was like, what, why would 1854 01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:26.359 you just give him back to her? She's just gonna 1855 01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:28.399 He never saw him again for eight years. 1856 01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:30.199 Wow. 1857 01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:34.680 Yeah, it sounds like scientology and their disconnections, right. 1858 01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:38.199 It was. They gave away his wife before he even 1859 01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:40.880 drove home. He got in trouble. He was supposed to 1860 01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:43.920 report to the Brethren, and before he even got there, 1861 01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:46.560 they had already moved his wife, give her away, give 1862 01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:47.239 his kids away. 1863 01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:52.359 Damn. They're expedient, nothing else. They're fast. 1864 01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:56.520 They got to make prove it proves that scientology is 1865 01:26:56.680 --> 01:26:59.640 using the same framework. 1866 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:04.039 Yes, yeah, so that that's what makes me get real 1867 01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:06.840 weird about life when I see an offshoot of scientology 1868 01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:11.520 Nexium aka what I like to now call the Albany 1869 01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:13.640 Chapter of the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. They 1870 01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:17.000 never closed, they just morphed into the Nexium. They're you know, 1871 01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:20.640 on paper, they're you know, squirrels if you will, Scientologists 1872 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:24.319 using l Ron's practices outside of Scientology. 1873 01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:24.680 They call them squirrels. 1874 01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:27.359 So you know, Keith Raniery was up there, squirrel and 1875 01:27:27.439 --> 01:27:29.319 not to be confused with Richard Gear and his jerbilin. 1876 01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:30.840 Maybe maybe maybe. 1877 01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.520 They didn't say don't don't roll it out, don't roll 1878 01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:33.760 it out. 1879 01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:38.960 Can't be certain, So it's weird when they're down there 1880 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:41.960 in Mexico running child sex trafficking operations, you know the stuff. 1881 01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:44.920 Wheer he got convicted for Alison Mack, you know, rolled 1882 01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:50.119 over on them about the they're employing nannies from the lebarn. 1883 01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:55.800 You do not want them watching your kids. They might 1884 01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:56.880 be dead when you get. 1885 01:27:57.039 --> 01:28:00.720 Neary wanted and watch good. They're the same. There's some 1886 01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:01.680 young lady. 1887 01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:05.399 Ohs got him? 1888 01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:07.399 God, I don't know. 1889 01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:15.359 Yeah, j J come back, come up back thought, Yes, 1890 01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:19.000 those next to Nanny's from Albany to Mexico, the child 1891 01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:22.319 forms of Mexico to the headquarters of their mothership in Albany. 1892 01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:25.439 Half Moon Lake I think is the name of the 1893 01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:26.520 town outside of Albany. 1894 01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:29.000 Connection that is weird. 1895 01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:31.439 Yeah, they were employing those girls as nannies and they 1896 01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:33.920 get marked when We'renier he's on trial, they get marked 1897 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:36.119 right by a Mexican drugs. 1898 01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:40.000 The barons, the lebarons don't have any problem marking anybody on. 1899 01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:43.000 Well, they were a little baron. I mean they may 1900 01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:45.119 it may have been you telling me this is a 1901 01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:46.960 Mormon meadows At massacre situation. 1902 01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:50.680 Oh that is such an interesting there there is. 1903 01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:55.600 Yes, there's nineteen barons. Mormon masters don't even considered that. 1904 01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:56.479 That makes a lot of sense. 1905 01:28:56.680 --> 01:29:00.840 Yes, you know, weirdest about that the metal those massacre. 1906 01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:01.960 So you're saying it. 1907 01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:05.119 Wasn't the Mexican drug card tales. The the Bears did themselves. 1908 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:06.760 Damn it, Heidi, that's a good point. 1909 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:08.119 I'm sorry, but. 1910 01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:13.000 Yes, Yo, doesn't that ship for around then he's on. 1911 01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:15.000 They're getting hammed up up there in court in New 1912 01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:16.720 York City for all these child sex trafficking. 1913 01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:17.840 These girls were witnesses. 1914 01:29:18.680 --> 01:29:18.920 Yep. 1915 01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:22.359 They have no problem taking out their own and they 1916 01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:23.920 have proved it in the past. 1917 01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:26.920 So that's a great point. This is a great point. 1918 01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:28.960 I find that situation where you say, Nick, I think 1919 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:33.520 I find that situation very very weird. That whole metal 1920 01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:35.920 metal uh whatever Mountain massacre. 1921 01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:40.079 We're actually talking about the La Bearon massacre. There the 1922 01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:43.520 le barons shot each other up, brothers and everything. We 1923 01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:44.600 should do a show on that. 1924 01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:48.560 Because Oh yeah, they were themselves, weren't they. That's right, Yes, yeah, 1925 01:29:48.640 --> 01:29:50.439 they were killing within the family. 1926 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:53.920 Was Joseph Smith around the idea? 1927 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:54.640 No? 1928 01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:57.279 Was it was Joseph Smith around during that time. 1929 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.680 No, this was a bri Brigham job. 1930 01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:04.920 Brigham boy, the Mormon Meadows massacer, the old the old 1931 01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:06.960 false flag where the Natives did it, right, I mean, 1932 01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:07.640 I mean. 1933 01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:11.600 That again and like you know the Mexican Drug Hotel. 1934 01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:14.600 They've been playing that game for a long time because uh, 1935 01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:18.600 well we know that Joseph's great great grandpa was the. 1936 01:30:18.680 --> 01:30:20.239 Head of the Boston Tea Party. 1937 01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:22.359 And what did they do. They blamed it on the 1938 01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:23.319 Native Americans. 1939 01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:26.359 Oh yeah, they just like to do that. 1940 01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:29.399 Yeah, that's the playbook for sure. 1941 01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:30.760 Yeah. 1942 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:38.840 So isn't the dates on that Metal Mountain Metal Metal 1943 01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:40.000 Mountain Metals massacre. 1944 01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:42.600 It's September eleventh, Yeah. 1945 01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:45.920 They said it's anyway, it's between September seventh and or 1946 01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:46.439 the eleventh. 1947 01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:49.319 I've seen and I'm like, well eleventh is the massacred date. 1948 01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:52.039 And that was like, but if you if you incorporate 1949 01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:54.039 the seventh, that also takes out Building seven. So I 1950 01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:58.399 mean it's even more symbolism. And I've always like found 1951 01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:00.560 it interesting. How you did you get the m M 1952 01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:05.920 M that I'm not saying that's directly well metal mountain, right, 1953 01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:09.800 is that what it's called? Mountain mountain metals massa. Yeah, 1954 01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:14.039 there were three, And you have Oliver Croadery, which is 1955 01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:17.760 very close to the crowdy. So I do I do 1956 01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:22.199 wonder about him honestly ripping off Mormon history in his ship. 1957 01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:26.840 I'm telling you, like Mormon stuff I think he has. 1958 01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:27.520 I think he has. 1959 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:31.760 Well, that's kind of the idea, right, they recycle the 1960 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:35.199 same the masters sent this over and over and over 1961 01:31:35.319 --> 01:31:41.199 our masters. Yeah, I actually prefer different stuff for us. 1962 01:31:41.279 --> 01:31:46.000 So but no, uh no, it makes sense. 1963 01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:50.439 They're recycling the same Western westward story. 1964 01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:51.239 Right. 1965 01:31:51.560 --> 01:31:53.960 They're playing out the biblical narrative right as they go, 1966 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:58.079 you know, like they're saying it's real. They're saying, Okay, 1967 01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:00.760 maybe it's real, maybe it's not real, but it happened here. 1968 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:04.359 So like Utah is the center. But then we also 1969 01:32:04.560 --> 01:32:08.319 know that there's like some kind of longitudinal line or 1970 01:32:08.359 --> 01:32:11.520 something that they thought was magical that connects Utah to 1971 01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:17.359 Mexico City. So I mean that basically explains like Mormonism 1972 01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:20.600 in a nutshell they're like magicians who prefer like a 1973 01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:21.800 particular lay line. 1974 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:27.359 You're saying, massacre situations like a like a psio psychodrama. 1975 01:32:27.359 --> 01:32:28.720 It's not just a sciop but it's an a cult 1976 01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:29.800 written psychodrama. 1977 01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:32.520 Yeah, I mean that's how I think, that's how Mormons 1978 01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:36.159 like things. But it can also be it can just 1979 01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:39.239 be the way they describe things too, Like people can 1980 01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:42.000 totally lie right in fiction. That's the power of fiction. 1981 01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:46.000 That's why. That's why, like you know, was saying, like 1982 01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:48.319 all the pulp writers they started with each other. 1983 01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:51.640 Yeah, you know what, I was just thinking, this is 1984 01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:55.640 like really weird, Like, let's let's Jones today, that Crowley 1985 01:32:55.920 --> 01:32:59.199 was pulling some ideas from those stories. Then when we 1986 01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:01.840 go to nine eleven in our nine to eleven and 1987 01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:05.199 all the plane numbers are associated with curly books, what 1988 01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:07.079 the fuck out of the fuck does that happen? Now 1989 01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:11.840 he's still a connection between both is. 1990 01:33:12.159 --> 01:33:14.840 Because the next magicians tip their hat to him. 1991 01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:19.119 No, Nine eleven was obviously Babylon working. 1992 01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:20.720 Yeah, it's all hat. 1993 01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:26.039 The buildings you could say were the Kaba. They even 1994 01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:31.000 were black tinted and they had gold compressed Sufi writing, right. 1995 01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:33.199 They had the twin in gold. 1996 01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:38.520 So that's very like Merkaba in Saudi Arabia. That's very tifferatic. Actually, 1997 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:41.079 people often think it's like Black Keep of Saturn, and yeah, 1998 01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:44.199 there's an element of that, but really, because it's glass, 1999 01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:47.840 you have to say it's more tifferratic, it's more brittle, 2000 01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:51.159 it's more of the sun, it's more easily destroyable. So 2001 01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:53.199 they obviously were like and those were built in like 2002 01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:54.239 nineteen seventy seven. 2003 01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:58.439 It's like, yeah, by the Rock Brothers, whould like to 2004 01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:01.119 point out that Old Nelson was one heartbeat away from 2005 01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:04.359 being president. His long lifelong dream just happened to be 2006 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:06.920 two Manson girls try to pop off Old Gerald. 2007 01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:12.560 Ford they were president, destroyed it Psycha to usher in 2008 01:34:12.680 --> 01:34:15.199 the new ann Right, that's what this is all about. Yeah, 2009 01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:18.640 imagine that has different preferences of like what they think 2010 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:20.520 that will be yep. 2011 01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:27.880 Well, and especially yeah, when you study the parchments, Joseph's 2012 01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:30.319 ideals were very different than Brigham's. I would love to 2013 01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:35.960 see what his family parchments are, but we will never know, uh, 2014 01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:37.520 because they don't exist. 2015 01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:38.079 Apparently. 2016 01:34:41.479 --> 01:34:43.159 Yeah, I'm completely sold that that was in the nine 2017 01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:45.640 to eleven situation was the Thlea mc ritual, this Babylon 2018 01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:47.760 work and stuff you're talking about here and sounds about 2019 01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:51.359 what I what I recall reading about in Wayne Ramsay's book, 2020 01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:52.039 and he sld me. 2021 01:34:52.119 --> 01:34:53.520 Then that sold me on that idea. 2022 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:56.199 Years ago, And then you know, I've been long convinced 2023 01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:58.640 that Barbara Bush is the is the daughter of Crowley. 2024 01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:01.600 Heard this and I'm not against it. 2025 01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:07.319 The definitive prove. 2026 01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:09.680 Their circumstantial evidence based upon his journals and the dates 2027 01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:11.119 in which they were in the same house and the 2028 01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:13.600 sex magic he was writing about doing. 2029 01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:20.359 Yeah, go ahead, sorry to do now. 2030 01:35:20.359 --> 01:35:21.880 I'm just saying that seems like it's not even just 2031 01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:24.279 the date of her birth and that her mother knew him. 2032 01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:27.279 It's like they're in the same house. He's writing about 2033 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:30.079 doing sex rituals with the women in the house, and 2034 01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:31.199 then the dates matchup. 2035 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:37.119 Mm hmm. And she looks just like them, Yeah she does. 2036 01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:41.079 She does look just like very strapping, very very uh 2037 01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:46.720 gorgeous lady, very man lady, gorgeous man, lady guy. 2038 01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:47.119 Yeah. 2039 01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:51.399 Yeah, it's even scarier. Some of George's daughters looked just 2040 01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:54.079 like him, like Lord of Mercy. That's a strong gene 2041 01:35:54.079 --> 01:35:55.640 they got there in that grew Jane, you. 2042 01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:56.960 Better to look like George. 2043 01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:00.920 In my opinion, Well, that's it's very you know, it's 2044 01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:03.359 like very like I'm going to plant my seeds all 2045 01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:06.359 over the world, very literal way to say it, like 2046 01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:09.439 a more interesting I think this is more me. But 2047 01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:11.520 I think it's more interesting to do it with words, 2048 01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:15.439 because words are actually the seeds if you really understand, 2049 01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:20.079 if you really have the understanding. No, but words are 2050 01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:23.319 really the seeds. So it's not it's just conceptual, right, 2051 01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:26.920 it's not. It's not literal impregnation. But a lot of 2052 01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:32.640 them take it to mean that because you know, they're 2053 01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:34.279 not very conceptual and they're thinking. 2054 01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:37.720 I guess they're literal. They're literalists, say one. 2055 01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:42.039 They're literalists, just like another podcaster that we know, he's 2056 01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:43.600 like very literalist with Book of. 2057 01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:45.840 No No. 2058 01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:51.039 Not him, there's a different one. But JJ famously asked 2059 01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:55.680 me if he was a Mormon on Live Oh, because 2060 01:36:55.720 --> 01:36:59.359 he takes it very seriously, like he takes it almost literally, 2061 01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:03.840 like he's saying about like real whatever all that stuff. 2062 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:05.720 And nice guy. I was joking with him. 2063 01:37:05.720 --> 01:37:09.199 But when after the show, you know, obviously I saw 2064 01:37:09.279 --> 01:37:12.039 in his philosophies of the philosophies of Mormonism, and so 2065 01:37:12.079 --> 01:37:15.439 I jokingly, what do you Mormon? And after the show, 2066 01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:17.600 Jenson message is like, I think that guy might be 2067 01:37:17.640 --> 01:37:20.319 warm like you saw it too, Okay, that the only 2068 01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:24.960 one definitely gnostic now, but yeah, and that is that 2069 01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:27.199 is really what the Mormon. A lot of the stuff 2070 01:37:27.239 --> 01:37:29.079 he was saying that it was that I recognized for 2071 01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:32.880 Mormonism is Nassism. And a lot of in the battlefield 2072 01:37:32.920 --> 01:37:35.039 Earth too, right with all these mining up planets and 2073 01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:38.399 these present planet ideas, right, these are all gnostic ideas. 2074 01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:40.560 Right, Well, I mean again, and that not to beat 2075 01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:44.680 a dead horse here, and you know it, JJ really 2076 01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:46.000 is the one who said this. I just like to 2077 01:37:46.039 --> 01:37:48.439 repeat it more. But but you said something along this lines, 2078 01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:50.720 you know when you really saw looking at like uh, 2079 01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:54.359 kind of like a lot of conspiracy theories and if 2080 01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:58.680 you start throwing in you know, Christ in there, you 2081 01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:02.079 get a lot of like Mormon is a gnosticism. And 2082 01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:05.000 I don't think like the conspiracy community actually realizes how 2083 01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:06.840 indoctrinated they've actually already been. 2084 01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:10.640 And then I have a show coming up on this, 2085 01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:14.199 you guys, it's very gnostic Mormons. 2086 01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:19.600 Because Nassism is really interesting, and it's because they made 2087 01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:22.760 it taboo. I'm not even saying the institutional church. I'm 2088 01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:25.000 just saying that there's been a cultural shift to kind 2089 01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:29.760 of make it transgressive cool, you know, like there's the 2090 01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:33.680 timing of the books and like even the texts that 2091 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:38.279 are preferenced like that have been translated and distributed widely, 2092 01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:40.760 like even in use by some of the guys who 2093 01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:42.800 run the nastic churches, like Nick. You just had one 2094 01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:46.079 on that he runs that kind of nasticky church. So 2095 01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:49.000 but those aren't even the whole around. 2096 01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:53.880 That was great. When I asked him about that, that 2097 01:38:54.039 --> 01:38:56.439 face he made it that played it it wasn't important. 2098 01:38:56.600 --> 01:38:58.800 I'm like, come on, He's like, I do have it 2099 01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:00.760 on a mount He's like, waite, and I shouldn't tell you. 2100 01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:03.840 Yeah, you even see his face. Je. Sorry that we interrupted. 2101 01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:06.159 It was just so obvious question. 2102 01:39:08.439 --> 01:39:10.880 No, but I think that people like like he I 2103 01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:13.479 don't agree with his interpretation of nascism at all, just 2104 01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:15.319 to go on the record and say it like I 2105 01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:16.159 don't agree. 2106 01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:17.960 I agree with you not agreeing. I listened to that 2107 01:39:18.039 --> 01:39:20.039 interview and I was not agree with any of it. 2108 01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:22.560 Like I'm not literalist at all. I don't think it's 2109 01:39:22.640 --> 01:39:25.399 meant to be transgressive. I think it's talking about Christianity 2110 01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:27.640 in just like a very esoteric way. I don't think 2111 01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:30.079 it's wrong. I actually think it aligns very much with 2112 01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:34.840 the we'll call it coubleistic intentions of like Christian thurgy 2113 01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:38.399 or Christian hermeticism, whether you're talking about Pico or more 2114 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:41.479 orthodox stuff, I think it perfectly aligns with that. I 2115 01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:44.159 think it's just all about how you interpret it, Like 2116 01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:46.520 do you ter interpret it as like what the bad 2117 01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:49.359 kids do? Because if you interpret it like that, you're 2118 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:51.760 going to be like more into the sex stuff, into 2119 01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:54.880 the more transgressive stuff. But actually the text for what 2120 01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:57.920 we have, even if they're fragments, they explain this. They 2121 01:39:58.000 --> 01:40:00.520 say like a lot of the there's even a part 2122 01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:04.760 of Hyposthis of the Arkons where this angel says to Nuri. 2123 01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:08.159 He goes like everything that the Arcons have said is 2124 01:40:08.199 --> 01:40:11.960 a lie, and lies are contained in words m meaning 2125 01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:14.199 they say about people. 2126 01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:18.880 All lies. 2127 01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:21.600 They always lie. Just remember that, you, guys, if you 2128 01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:24.720 think you're a magician, or you think that angels or 2129 01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:28.119 whatever have your best interests at heart, always remember these 2130 01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:30.520 stories and about John D. They lie their ass off, 2131 01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:32.439 so there's that. 2132 01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:37.680 Yeah, yeah, well I mean even look at I mean 2133 01:40:37.680 --> 01:40:40.840 they were they were known for lying and scamming John 2134 01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:42.199 D and Kelly. 2135 01:40:42.319 --> 01:40:49.479 So yep, well interesting, very interesting. I did not read 2136 01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:51.119 the book, but I'm glad I was here for this 2137 01:40:51.319 --> 01:40:52.479 chat because it's been fun. 2138 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:53.159 Yeah. 2139 01:40:54.119 --> 01:40:56.279 If I could say one thing about the pulp, I'm 2140 01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:58.159 going down like a pulp or like kind of a 2141 01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:00.279 nineteen hundred's pulp rabbit hole here. 2142 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:02.079 You know who else started. 2143 01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:07.600 Writing in the pulps was Michael p Hodell. I don't 2144 01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:10.600 know if you know the last name Hodell. It is 2145 01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:15.039 the apparently the son I think he's There was a 2146 01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:17.399 thing about Michael p Hodell who was born and people 2147 01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:19.520 don't know who is actual father, as people say it's 2148 01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:22.399 John Houston a lot of people and everybody knows how 2149 01:41:22.479 --> 01:41:27.079 weird John Houston is. But Hodell, the name George Hodell 2150 01:41:27.199 --> 01:41:29.840 was cleared from the Black Dahlia murder, which, if anybody 2151 01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:32.239 doesn't know anything about the Black Dahia murder, only a 2152 01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:35.520 few people could have committed it, like surgeon right, just 2153 01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:38.000 only a few people. And George Hodell was the only 2154 01:41:38.119 --> 01:41:43.119 guy in my opinion that was actually the suspect that 2155 01:41:43.159 --> 01:41:45.399 could have actually done the or what it could have 2156 01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:48.159 the body could have been taken. James Elroy wrote historical 2157 01:41:48.199 --> 01:41:51.199 fiction that suggests suggests a kind of inbred child who 2158 01:41:51.319 --> 01:41:53.920 nobody knows where he came from, was from a rich family, 2159 01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:56.079 kind of inbred child, which leads me to the Hodell 2160 01:41:56.159 --> 01:41:59.960 kind of situation John Houston stuff where he killed the body, 2161 01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:03.920 you know what, was a very disgusting sex crime obviously, 2162 01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:07.000 and then the body was prepared then after that and 2163 01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:08.800 then got it and stuff. So it's all these people 2164 01:42:08.840 --> 01:42:11.000 start in the pulps and and then this guy wrote 2165 01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:13.920 in Weird Tales, which Weird Tales lovecraft that's a big 2166 01:42:14.319 --> 01:42:16.960 love crafting thing. So it doesn't have a lot to 2167 01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:18.720 do with l Ron Hubbard, but it's like a whole. 2168 01:42:18.600 --> 01:42:21.560 Nother super interesting though I love I might have more 2169 01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:25.960 than you know, WELLO loves Lovecraft with the Typhoni and folks, 2170 01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:27.439 the two offshoot. 2171 01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:30.479 Well, Alron is a lot more tied. End if we 2172 01:42:30.640 --> 01:42:34.000 listened to what Dana said say, Dana said that al 2173 01:42:34.119 --> 01:42:36.800 Ron was the father of Mike Lockino. 2174 01:42:38.359 --> 01:42:40.800 She's she's building a stronger case as time goes by that. 2175 01:42:40.880 --> 01:42:43.600 It's something she she alleges, and there's some circumstantial evidence 2176 01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:45.439 to support that there is for sure. 2177 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:47.079 Right, I'm not saying I believe it or not. I'm 2178 01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:48.159 just speculative. 2179 01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:50.439 No, I mean, well, it makes it kind of kind 2180 01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:52.279 of tracks along with this whole club of this network. 2181 01:42:52.359 --> 01:42:55.439 So when I say club with this network. So John Houston, 2182 01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:59.399 George Hotellen, Gang Hodell being the the abortion doc. 2183 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:00.680 To the stars of you Will he lived in the 2184 01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:02.560 canyon by the way, all Laurel Canyon. 2185 01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:07.359 But yeah, he lived in that that uh mayan him right, 2186 01:43:07.439 --> 01:43:11.439 the what's the name of that dude, the famous architect 2187 01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:15.319 Frank Lloyd? Right, thank you, sir Brinkley. Yeah, that's a 2188 01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:15.800 strange as. 2189 01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:19.560 Little Yeah, that's that's a very old house. If you 2190 01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:23.199 if you kind of know what he was into it 2191 01:43:23.359 --> 01:43:26.039 kind of it's like you can tell it's like that's 2192 01:43:26.039 --> 01:43:27.600 an occultis house for sure. 2193 01:43:28.159 --> 01:43:28.680 If I had. 2194 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:32.880 Thank you, thank you, thank you, you both nailed. That's 2195 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:34.399 exactly I was getting. It's a moment to do a 2196 01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:36.359 ritual human sacrifice in this mind temple. 2197 01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:37.720 What are we talking about? You know what I mean? 2198 01:43:38.079 --> 01:43:42.760 Yeah, So John Houston's underling was Jack Nicholson. 2199 01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:46.680 Yes, oh, absolutely, he made his longest relationship was with 2200 01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:47.680 Angelica Houston. 2201 01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:48.039 Uh. 2202 01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:50.960 And yeah, then we bring in Roman plans with the 2203 01:43:51.119 --> 01:43:54.600 fate pcident at that Angela Houston and Jack Nicholson's house. 2204 01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:55.960 But George, George. 2205 01:43:55.720 --> 01:43:59.039 Hotel, don't forget Bob Cocaine Evans in that group there 2206 01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:01.000 were he was off in that mix as well. Well, 2207 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:02.399 i's got to give credit to him and all these 2208 01:44:02.520 --> 01:44:02.800 sort of. 2209 01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:05.119 And you keep everybody high the whole time too, you know. 2210 01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:08.279 Well, and Jack Nicholson's history is the same as Ted 2211 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:11.640 Bundy's where my Mom's my grand My Grandma's my Mom, and. 2212 01:44:11.640 --> 01:44:14.239 Then the movie My Mom Grandma and then the movie 2213 01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:18.760 about incest murder. So it's just like you know, this 2214 01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:21.399 is from Tellers of Weird Tales, this old blog. It's 2215 01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:24.960 a good blog. But George Hodell fathered eleven children by 2216 01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:28.319 five women. He had four sons with Dorothy Harvey Houston, 2217 01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:32.399 ex wife of movie director John Houston. Steve Hodell was 2218 01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:34.680 born in November nineteen forty one. He had a twin 2219 01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:38.439 brother who died in infancy. Another dead kid, Kelvin Hodell, 2220 01:44:38.520 --> 01:44:41.119 born in October nineteen forty two, is the youngest. The 2221 01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:44.079 oldest boy was Michael P. Hodell, born on July twelfth, 2222 01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:46.880 nineteen thirty nine. According to Steve Hodell, his father and 2223 01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:50.800 John Houston had questions about Michael's parentage. Finally, Dorothy Harvey 2224 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:53.520 Houston told her husband, forget it, John, He's not your son. 2225 01:44:53.960 --> 01:44:58.600 So these are all yeah, this is it's all weird, like, yeah. 2226 01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:01.039 It's all thanks cold bits, right, all much sex culture, 2227 01:45:01.039 --> 01:45:01.800 all banging each other. 2228 01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:06.680 What about Tomorrow Hodell. Yeah, I don't know much about 2229 01:45:06.920 --> 01:45:10.079 Tomorrow Hodell, but that's it. There's a lot there it is. Yeah, 2230 01:45:10.119 --> 01:45:10.800 there it is. I see it. 2231 01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:13.600 Yeah, sounds like they were having a hoe down. I 2232 01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:15.000 mean Hodell, right. 2233 01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:19.119 You know it Hollywood style right in the Mayan Temple. 2234 01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:21.359 But so Tomorrow Hodell, I believe, would go on to 2235 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:27.439 take on John Phillips' daughter. After John Phillips is raping 2236 01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:29.560 his daughter. You know, mister he was fine. He was 2237 01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:32.920 financing the process of Lax Saviti's mister Moms in the 2238 01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:37.640 papas the Phillips Tomorrow Hodell connection. So I believe the 2239 01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:40.520 story goes he was raping his daughter and Tomorrow's like, well, 2240 01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:42.119 my dad used to rape me, so you can come 2241 01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:43.760 in with me now says your dad's raping you. 2242 01:45:43.880 --> 01:45:45.640 You know that kind of deal, one of them deals. 2243 01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:47.760 It came like a surrogate mother too, I believe. 2244 01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:51.119 Well that was a big part of ideology. Right, it's 2245 01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:54.920 like eroding it seems to be right, it seems to 2246 01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:55.840 be Yeah. 2247 01:45:55.960 --> 01:45:58.479 And also the person who took over the Black Dahlia murder, 2248 01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:01.399 the person who took over the Black Dahlia murder case 2249 01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:04.800 after a long time Steve Hodell, son of George Hodell. 2250 01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:08.520 And it also was the Rodney Alcala case, the uh, 2251 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:10.800 the dating game, killer guy. So it's kind of weird, 2252 01:46:11.239 --> 01:46:14.680 weird a lot of Hodell family, you know. I mean 2253 01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:17.399 that that's it's very like programmed to kill kind of territory. 2254 01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:20.760 But like it's it's very very the Hodell family is 2255 01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:22.560 very interest because I met when we're talking about pulps. 2256 01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:24.079 I was like, I know, there was like a one 2257 01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:26.560 more thing and you know with this, but Elroy got 2258 01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:29.199 pretty closely in the Black Dahia. If you read the 2259 01:46:29.239 --> 01:46:31.720 Black Dahlia, his his idea of what happens kind of 2260 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:34.640 his dondolo libra kind of situation for the Black Dahlia 2261 01:46:34.720 --> 01:46:36.840 murder and I'm like he's onto something there, because. 2262 01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:39.640 The whole like inbred child like mutilating. 2263 01:46:39.239 --> 01:46:40.840 A girl and then preparing her for a you know, 2264 01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:43.680 another ritual, kind of surgical ritual and stuff like that 2265 01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:46.479 kind of kind of tracks to me, honestly more than. 2266 01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:49.399 Any a lot of. 2267 01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:54.000 Well, I think there's something interesting with what Glenn said, 2268 01:46:54.079 --> 01:46:56.560 Like there's this kind of very love crafty and element 2269 01:46:56.680 --> 01:46:58.479 to the pulps, and then you can look at like 2270 01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:04.199 Marvel DC. Obviously I'm now you're talking about language, right, 2271 01:47:04.319 --> 01:47:07.399 because that's like the positivistic version for the most part, 2272 01:47:07.760 --> 01:47:11.159 like most of those heroes are actually heroes, even if 2273 01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:14.319 they're a little complicated in silver age, right, like sixty 2274 01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:16.640 seventy stuff, like they're yeah, they get a little complicated, 2275 01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:18.720 but for the most part, heroes are heroes. 2276 01:47:19.399 --> 01:47:19.640 Yeah. 2277 01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:23.239 So you know that's kind of the positivistic lens, and 2278 01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:25.279 people are always like, oh, yeah, that's so culted. 2279 01:47:25.359 --> 01:47:25.840 Yeah it is. 2280 01:47:26.079 --> 01:47:29.359 It's very you know, it's very innochy, and it's very 2281 01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:33.239 like shem adamanteene Man. I mean, there's so many characters 2282 01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:38.479 that fit that role, Captain Marvel, Superman, Wolverine, I mean 2283 01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:42.520 Wolverine exactly, he's a literal Adamante man. So I mean, 2284 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:45.399 you have all these ideas that it's basically the same 2285 01:47:45.520 --> 01:47:47.840 character but he's kind of recycled. But he's generally a 2286 01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:51.039 good guy. But then you have like the love crafty 2287 01:47:51.039 --> 01:47:53.239 and things where it's like, oh yeah, you can bend 2288 01:47:53.239 --> 01:47:57.439 the rules here because reality is malleable. Reality is like 2289 01:47:57.600 --> 01:47:59.359 just what you make of it. Reality is like what 2290 01:47:59.439 --> 01:48:01.760 your parents tell you it is, and like we don't 2291 01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:04.319 like our parents like that. It's like a daddy God issue. 2292 01:48:04.359 --> 01:48:07.119 But you're using kind of magic. 2293 01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:09.840 To mill Disney Disney all day long. 2294 01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:12.720 You can put that on Private Detective too. Private Detective 2295 01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:14.399 is like I'm going to solve this murder my way. 2296 01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:14.960 Oops. 2297 01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:16.880 You know, just a lot of these these things and 2298 01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:19.840 it taps into a different male fantasy of of. 2299 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:22.880 That of that element. So it's like, man, the pulps, 2300 01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:26.399 the pups need to be studied. M I agree. 2301 01:48:26.399 --> 01:48:28.119 It's some good stuff there. I think a lot of stuff. 2302 01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:31.840 I discussed that a lot of operations GCD. We just 2303 01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:34.960 uh recently did a n cold esoteric view of The 2304 01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:39.720 Golden Child m H six cinematic masterpiece starring Eddie Murphy. 2305 01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:44.319 Yeah, it was very interesting from there. 2306 01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:48.159 Well, I listened to Ken McLeod give an interview, like 2307 01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:52.319 several interviews, just like I did, but for Glenn and 2308 01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:57.720 for obviously Jdo is coming on my show very soon, 2309 01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:00.239 so I had to listen to that. And he's on 2310 01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:04.520 Rare Candy a lot, so right, so I so, you know, 2311 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:06.800 so I had to as I've been listening, so it's 2312 01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:08.640 the same thing. So I listened to him before I 2313 01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:12.960 did that episode. He is a very interesting person the 2314 01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:16.880 way he speaks, Ken McLeod. He's like talking about Buddhism. 2315 01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:20.479 He says he's a Buddhist, that no reason not to 2316 01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:25.760 believe him, but he's really talking about magic. He almost 2317 01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:30.600 doesn't hide it. He's almost talking about like postconceptually, like 2318 01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:32.880 how I try not to do because then people think 2319 01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:36.279 I'm being like too you know, in the suffer or whatever. 2320 01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:39.319 But he he does it. So I was just thinking 2321 01:49:39.399 --> 01:49:42.199 that the whole time that we did that episode, is 2322 01:49:42.279 --> 01:49:46.119 like how profound it is that he so many people 2323 01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:49.079 can can he him to the realizations, but it can 2324 01:49:49.239 --> 01:49:52.279 also just be of your own power. It doesn't require spirits, 2325 01:49:52.279 --> 01:49:56.359 doesn't require cults, doesn't require like on Rare Candy. I'll 2326 01:49:56.359 --> 01:49:58.039 just use the example just because I've been listening to 2327 01:49:58.119 --> 01:50:01.039 it and it's like kind of in my headspe they 2328 01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:04.840 talk about like the psychedelic experiences, So I I've had them, 2329 01:50:05.159 --> 01:50:08.039 but I didn't have anything profound really happened. But then 2330 01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:10.760 when I've had magical experiences, that's like what Nick Saw 2331 01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:14.520 was talking about it, that's much more profound for me. 2332 01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:18.560 Yeah, I mean, I know my co host on Ray 2333 01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:20.439 Andy does remote viewing. I mean, he was straight up 2334 01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:22.760 does it. He does it to as as predictive, like 2335 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:25.520 a predictive element, and like tests it out and spreadsheets 2336 01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:27.840 it out and stuff, and uh, he applies it to 2337 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:30.159 like sports because there's a there's a binary like win 2338 01:50:30.319 --> 01:50:33.000 loss metric to it and stuff, and that's where he 2339 01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:34.520 gets a lot of his I mean he has. He 2340 01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:36.560 used to do a lot of psychedelics back in the day, 2341 01:50:36.680 --> 01:50:39.800 but now it's it's all this like he's just he'll 2342 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:41.840 just like drink some like green tea or something and 2343 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:45.279 do like remote viewing and he has far more crazy 2344 01:50:45.359 --> 01:50:48.760 experiences with that, and it's you know, I know, there's 2345 01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:50.960 there's obviously a lot of dubious stuff that's done with 2346 01:50:51.159 --> 01:50:53.239 with that type of SI. I mean, that's his name 2347 01:50:53.319 --> 01:50:55.399 on the show. But it's with a lot of the 2348 01:50:55.479 --> 01:50:59.359 actual like parapsychology and stuff. But I mean there's something there. 2349 01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:01.359 I know that I know that you wouldn't be Yeah, 2350 01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:07.880 Andrea Poohovich is your answer on that, Andrea, A lot 2351 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:09.159 of scientologys involved in this. 2352 01:51:09.239 --> 01:51:11.800 From viewing the guys who perpetrated this through Sri, I 2353 01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:15.359 who are You're a Geller's. 2354 01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:19.119 Handler's Well, you're a Geller's handler was Andreavich. 2355 01:51:21.479 --> 01:51:23.640 This was after he be parted ways. He went over 2356 01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:24.960 there to see the scientologists. 2357 01:51:25.560 --> 01:51:25.720 Ry. 2358 01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:28.479 I can't think these are the guys that are perpetrating 2359 01:51:28.479 --> 01:51:32.359 all these alien nonsense to the here today more to mercy. 2360 01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:36.119 I can't think of their names. There's two signs. Yeah, 2361 01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:39.560 thank you sir. The Disclosure fellas hal put Off financed 2362 01:51:39.560 --> 01:51:42.920 by the Rockefellers. Yeah project, by the way, that's how 2363 01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:46.079 it got started with Stephen Greer and Gang, the same 2364 01:51:46.199 --> 01:51:48.119 Rockfellers that we're talking about with the nine to eleven stuff, 2365 01:51:48.199 --> 01:51:51.079 you know, Nelson and David's brother Lawrence in fact, with 2366 01:51:51.359 --> 01:51:55.159 the specific financier of Stephen Greer and the Disclosure project. 2367 01:51:55.800 --> 01:52:02.640 But relative to you know, well you now they got 2368 01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:03.600 to talk about the Rockefellers. 2369 01:52:03.600 --> 01:52:05.399 Isn't it weird how they're the ones financing all these 2370 01:52:05.399 --> 01:52:08.399 ancient Allian cargo cult stuff. I often wonder their connections 2371 01:52:08.439 --> 01:52:11.279 of scientology because they they funded Zacharai's session. 2372 01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:13.760 They had Jordan Maxwell. 2373 01:52:13.720 --> 01:52:15.680 He had an office in Rockefeller Center, right down the 2374 01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:18.640 hall from Stitch, you know, and uh after he left 2375 01:52:18.680 --> 01:52:21.720 the Mothership with the Jehovah's witnesses, and then you got 2376 01:52:21.840 --> 01:52:25.560 Laurence Rockefeller financing career, and then what he finances this 2377 01:52:25.760 --> 01:52:27.840 essentially goes in becomes Skinwalker Ranch. 2378 01:52:28.039 --> 01:52:30.680 He finances the onset of that, the pretty big Olow 2379 01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:31.199 era of that. 2380 01:52:32.119 --> 01:52:34.920 Oh wow, yeah, so. 2381 01:52:36.520 --> 01:52:38.479 A lot of weird stuff, a lot of weird Lenda 2382 01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:39.600 Multon House, she comes out of that. 2383 01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:43.560 Oh god, yeah you're going to react that way. 2384 01:52:45.199 --> 01:52:50.960 She gets, Oh shit, Yeah, she's something else. She's a 2385 01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:54.880 funny one. I actually think those kind of mutilations are 2386 01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:58.000 more of a cult symbolism than probably even Yeah, I 2387 01:52:58.159 --> 01:52:58.720 like that idea. 2388 01:52:58.840 --> 01:53:03.359 I agree with that, h especially if people are scared 2389 01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:06.479 of it, because I would like amplify. 2390 01:53:07.119 --> 01:53:09.039 Right, that's called fared, does it not? 2391 01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:13.520 Especially if you have a mass. A mass populace is 2392 01:53:13.600 --> 01:53:16.039 like yeah, we believe in aliens are coming down like 2393 01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:19.600 literal aliens, right, well, what are aliens really? 2394 01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:26.720 Because they call their god loheme. So I'm saying maybe. 2395 01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:29.960 I think maybe it started. 2396 01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:31.760 With a real situation and then they took it to 2397 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:34.199 the max capacity and used it for their own n 2398 01:53:34.199 --> 01:53:38.319 occult you know, advancement. I mean, why wouldn't they. 2399 01:53:38.279 --> 01:53:41.760 Because angels suppose it quote unquote air quotes JJ of 2400 01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:44.680 have to do it for me air quotes, Angels tell 2401 01:53:44.720 --> 01:53:47.000 you to do something, You don't have to do it, 2402 01:53:47.079 --> 01:53:50.479 you have free will. Yeah, yeah, then that's like That's 2403 01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:52.920 the thing that I think is actually interesting about some 2404 01:53:53.039 --> 01:53:56.039 of the earlier Telema stuff is they emphasize this kind 2405 01:53:56.079 --> 01:53:57.680 of idea of like no, you will, Like I've heard 2406 01:53:57.760 --> 01:54:00.439 Nick say this a ten million times and even hear 2407 01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:02.840 it in my head, like his voice and his accent 2408 01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:03.359 saying it. 2409 01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:06.039 But no. 2410 01:54:06.279 --> 01:54:08.720 I think that that's interesting because it's like do you 2411 01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:11.479 buy in? Like that's what Glenn said, Like how much 2412 01:54:11.560 --> 01:54:15.399 buy in is you know, needed to make it work? 2413 01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:17.840 And I think even the little bit buy in makes 2414 01:54:17.920 --> 01:54:20.000 it work. But I think that the real idea is 2415 01:54:20.119 --> 01:54:22.880 just like do you understand this beyond what they're doing 2416 01:54:23.319 --> 01:54:25.479 like it. You can say it's just a fiction project, 2417 01:54:26.399 --> 01:54:29.079 but there's always something greater. There's always like there's always 2418 01:54:29.079 --> 01:54:31.199 a little ego there, like you're talking about different and 2419 01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:33.840 just like joking about that, but yeah, there's something very 2420 01:54:34.279 --> 01:54:37.159 egoists like I'm the you know, Cray, I'm the I'm 2421 01:54:37.199 --> 01:54:40.279 the beast, I'm the you know, I'm the I'm the og. 2422 01:54:41.279 --> 01:54:45.399 Just like Hubbard the Antichrist. And and then if they're not, 2423 01:54:45.640 --> 01:54:48.039 if they're not a god, then they're the opposite. Right, 2424 01:54:48.159 --> 01:54:50.880 But it's always one of the two. It's always one 2425 01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:51.039 of the. 2426 01:54:52.119 --> 01:54:55.159 Process, right, it's the the reconciliation of opposites. 2427 01:54:55.560 --> 01:54:59.279 M hm, this is just a balistic sorry heading. 2428 01:54:59.399 --> 01:55:01.479 Yeah, so I was just gonna say Hubbard got his 2429 01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:04.399 ideas no different than Joseph Smith got his ideas, no 2430 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:08.319 different than Crowley got his ideas, no different than John 2431 01:55:08.359 --> 01:55:10.840 d got his ideas. You start messing with shit, you 2432 01:55:10.960 --> 01:55:13.840 call shit down, they tell you to do something, and 2433 01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:15.840 then they want you to write a book, but then 2434 01:55:15.920 --> 01:55:19.159 swap wives or have sex with kids, and then bam, yeah, 2435 01:55:19.159 --> 01:55:19.840 well that's. 2436 01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:22.640 How they interpret that exactly what as you just said, 2437 01:55:22.920 --> 01:55:25.960 the reconciliation of opposites because this is like a primordial 2438 01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:30.600 metaphysical truth. This this like transcends all traditions, like this 2439 01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:34.199 idea we'd nick jokes synthesis, right, No. 2440 01:55:34.239 --> 01:55:35.800 It's synthesis. I think that's the way I look at 2441 01:55:35.840 --> 01:55:37.840 It's how they embody is living with nature. They have 2442 01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:40.920 to do what nature does. It's the reconciliation of opposites. 2443 01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:44.000 Right, but they take it to the extremes of those 2444 01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:46.720 they prefer. We talked about it is like hode in 2445 01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:51.399 net sock, like they really love they go creature, right, 2446 01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:53.840 and then they also love like the kind of like 2447 01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:57.399 the transgression like fun bliss in the world. Right, So 2448 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:01.079 they take those opposites, but it's really not it's really 2449 01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:04.159 they're taking it as it's like they're the god kind 2450 01:56:04.199 --> 01:56:06.640 of like I have what. 2451 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:09.680 You're saying, I interrupt you. 2452 01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:13.479 Well, here's one thing I know in scientology. 2453 01:56:13.560 --> 01:56:17.439 I was looking up they say that, okay, that the 2454 01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:20.359 advanced whatever what are they called? 2455 01:56:21.600 --> 01:56:28.000 The Theatans live in the schoolans. 2456 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:28.239 Live in the skull and and boy did that ding 2457 01:56:28.359 --> 01:56:31.720 me for why they have Geronimo's skull and skull and bones? 2458 01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:33.600 Like I was like, is this why they have this? 2459 01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:35.920 Like like it doesn't matter. 2460 01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:39.000 It doesn't matter what we believe. 2461 01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:40.000 It matters what they believe. 2462 01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:42.319 We're back to that. And so I was like, is 2463 01:56:42.399 --> 01:56:45.119 that why they're doing this with that? And they still 2464 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:47.239 won't give it back because they gave back a school, 2465 01:56:47.279 --> 01:56:49.800 but it was a child's school, that's bs And so 2466 01:56:50.600 --> 01:56:52.840 it just goes right back to school and bones and 2467 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:56.239 and it's always older than religion. It's always older, just 2468 01:56:56.319 --> 01:56:59.319 like you guys are saying, it's it's it's not it's 2469 01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:02.439 not one thing, it's it's something way bigger, like you said, 2470 01:57:02.479 --> 01:57:03.239 it's synthesis. 2471 01:57:03.399 --> 01:57:07.000 So and for me, it always goes back to Babylon. 2472 01:57:08.840 --> 01:57:14.159 There you go, right, it's not the you know, it's 2473 01:57:14.199 --> 01:57:15.159 not the other numbers. 2474 01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:19.600 Yep, that's the one in this Its like these extremes 2475 01:57:19.680 --> 01:57:21.840 and like the extremities of the tree. It's like it's 2476 01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:25.720 truly that's where it is. And and they say, like 2477 01:57:26.079 --> 01:57:29.239 all things are recupied in yourself and you sewed. So 2478 01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:31.800 I don't know, Yeah, I think that they just take 2479 01:57:31.840 --> 01:57:33.680 it way too extreme. I think they should all just 2480 01:57:33.760 --> 01:57:37.560 be just like me, smoke some pot, be like okay in. 2481 01:57:37.600 --> 01:57:39.239 The world, you know, settle down. 2482 01:57:39.880 --> 01:57:43.760 Geezer Gin Yeah, they need to settle it down. 2483 01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:47.319 And see that's why it can't be elder gin because yeah, 2484 01:57:47.640 --> 01:57:50.119 I'm saying they all should follow Dharama. So I'm actually 2485 01:57:50.199 --> 01:57:51.960 being like Darma, I'm Dharma pelling them all. 2486 01:57:52.640 --> 01:57:56.199 Well, you might help them, That might be good if 2487 01:57:56.319 --> 01:57:58.079 I may to finish my point on these folks being 2488 01:57:58.119 --> 01:58:00.640 loney to these ideas we're discussed and here, like that's 2489 01:58:00.640 --> 01:58:03.359 what I was gettingt with the remote viewing with how 2490 01:58:03.479 --> 01:58:06.640 put off and is it scientology associate who they're basically 2491 01:58:06.680 --> 01:58:08.920 the ones who ran these remote viewing projects, right, Like 2492 01:58:09.640 --> 01:58:11.880 they're the ones who brought us these ideas, you know, 2493 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:15.960 Like is this some sort of weird magical ritual they're 2494 01:58:15.960 --> 01:58:17.920 trying to perpetrate? Like I'm not saying folks don't have 2495 01:58:18.640 --> 01:58:21.479 these abilities. What I'm saying is the way they've framed it, 2496 01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:24.159 the way they're selling it to folks. 2497 01:58:24.479 --> 01:58:27.159 They're trying to make people buy into their story, their 2498 01:58:27.319 --> 01:58:28.199 version of events. 2499 01:58:28.319 --> 01:58:30.079 Yeah, but is there something bigger to it? It seems 2500 01:58:30.079 --> 01:58:30.920 like there's some removiewing. 2501 01:58:31.199 --> 01:58:33.479 Remote viewing is better when everyone's doing it. It straight 2502 01:58:33.560 --> 01:58:35.600 up works more when when there's more people doing it, 2503 01:58:35.720 --> 01:58:38.159 Like sure, it just does so I mean, the idea 2504 01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:41.880 is is like if you get everybody, I understand the 2505 01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:42.560 co opting of it. 2506 01:58:42.680 --> 01:58:44.319 I totally would. If I was in charge, I would 2507 01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:44.680 be like, oh. 2508 01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:47.439 That's exactly, that's exactly what is because I'm good with 2509 01:58:47.479 --> 01:58:49.159 the mechanics, mind and what you're saying. The volume of 2510 01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:50.840 folks do it. But yeah, it's the co opting, right, 2511 01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:54.079 especially when you have Kevin Spacey and George Clooney perpetrating 2512 01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:56.039 these ideas in a Hollywood film. 2513 01:58:56.560 --> 01:59:00.319 Although they're ushering in fake disclosure so that everybody will 2514 01:59:00.760 --> 01:59:03.199 believe that their God comes to get them with this 2515 01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:05.720 whole project Bluebeam crap, and then they suck them all 2516 01:59:05.760 --> 01:59:07.279 into the weird cyberspace. 2517 01:59:08.159 --> 01:59:11.239 I mean yeah, but in that book, even the even 2518 01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:13.119 the film The Minute Sarah Goach is written by a 2519 01:59:13.159 --> 01:59:15.880 creepy character named John Ronson. He's got a weird background. 2520 01:59:16.439 --> 01:59:21.079 But the uh, nonetheless, it's again, what what are they 2521 01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:21.800 trying to do here? 2522 01:59:21.880 --> 01:59:22.520 Is this a program? 2523 01:59:22.600 --> 01:59:24.680 It seems like a program. I can identify a program 2524 01:59:24.720 --> 01:59:27.640 when I seen one, you know, the Mormon audis I'm 2525 01:59:27.640 --> 01:59:31.560 talking about. I've seen these programs before. Organized stuff here. 2526 01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:34.760 Oh absolutely, they're like you know, they they're all in, 2527 01:59:34.920 --> 01:59:37.920 I think a lot of them really believe in some 2528 01:59:38.079 --> 01:59:40.239 weird shit like things that I would think are weird. 2529 01:59:40.279 --> 01:59:44.680 And I'm pretty flexible that the way I think, so yeah. 2530 01:59:44.760 --> 01:59:48.560 You know it was with these things, I just I 2531 01:59:48.640 --> 01:59:50.159 just want to know what their stick is, like, what's 2532 01:59:50.199 --> 01:59:52.359 their end game with doing the way they're the way 2533 01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:55.279 they're framing it, the way they're packaging, and what's what's there. 2534 01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:58.239 In Maybe they're just harnessing the energy from it. Once again, 2535 01:59:58.600 --> 01:59:59.359 go well, there's that. 2536 01:59:59.479 --> 01:59:59.760 I mean it. 2537 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:02.039 I had a military application, like a straight up like 2538 02:00:02.239 --> 02:00:05.439 actual military application, and whatever you want to believe this or. 2539 02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:08.239 Not is up to once but yeah, again it's this 2540 02:00:08.319 --> 02:00:08.680 is something. 2541 02:00:09.039 --> 02:00:12.199 There's a guy named Lynn Buchanan who was the I 2542 02:00:12.279 --> 02:00:15.119 think the subject of the Men Who Scare Sterret Gootes. 2543 02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:16.960 He was the guy one night that he had a 2544 02:00:17.079 --> 02:00:19.000 uh I wish my co host s. I was you, 2545 02:00:19.039 --> 02:00:20.600 you guys gotta have him on and talk to him 2546 02:00:20.600 --> 02:00:24.000 about this. He's really good stuff and he uh he 2547 02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:26.920 he basically did the whole I can't it's like the 2548 02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:30.039 Drew barrymore like Stephen King firestarter thing with your mind. 2549 02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:32.840 I can't remember the rage thing. So he had this 2550 02:00:32.960 --> 02:00:35.239 like fit of rage over this random, just dumb like 2551 02:00:35.399 --> 02:00:39.680 military occurrence that happened, and like, and then the power searches, right, 2552 02:00:39.800 --> 02:00:42.279 guess what, there's a guy with the clipboard going, that's interesting. 2553 02:00:42.520 --> 02:00:44.760 Let's bring that guy in right here. So they do 2554 02:00:44.840 --> 02:00:47.119 the whole viewing process with all with this guy, which 2555 02:00:47.159 --> 02:00:48.720 I assume it already existed. I don't think this is 2556 02:00:48.760 --> 02:00:50.920 lind Buk. It was very x Men, very like x 2557 02:00:51.000 --> 02:00:53.720 Men kind of recruitment thing, and yeah, this guy was 2558 02:00:53.720 --> 02:00:56.199 already not the highest level in the military at all. 2559 02:00:56.239 --> 02:00:57.920 They bring this guy in and say, okay, we're looking 2560 02:00:57.960 --> 02:01:02.479 to find we're gonna use our data cross checked with 2561 02:01:02.600 --> 02:01:05.239 some other thing, with somebody else's data, and then your 2562 02:01:05.319 --> 02:01:07.359 remote viewing thing. If all three of those things check out, 2563 02:01:07.399 --> 02:01:08.279 we're going to invade this. 2564 02:01:08.600 --> 02:01:10.039 We are going to go do this. We're gonna go 2565 02:01:10.119 --> 02:01:12.239 handle this situation. That's just what he was saying. 2566 02:01:12.279 --> 02:01:14.239 This dude's saying the shit on like podcasts like nothing 2567 02:01:14.359 --> 02:01:17.039 like he and I believe it to an extent. Now, 2568 02:01:17.319 --> 02:01:19.560 I'm sure it's much bigger than that obviously, Like it's 2569 02:01:19.600 --> 02:01:21.279 never just going to be used in that whole Like 2570 02:01:21.439 --> 02:01:22.880 we need to get here, how do we get here 2571 02:01:23.000 --> 02:01:25.159 kind of situation. There's going to be this deeper meaning 2572 02:01:25.199 --> 02:01:29.239 to it. But it has a direct military application, sure, 2573 02:01:29.439 --> 02:01:31.760 and it's a big thing for gamblers now. Gamblers love 2574 02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:34.159 doing it like it's it's a huge thing, like psychedelic 2575 02:01:34.199 --> 02:01:36.520 gambling stuff is, which whatever energy that puts out in 2576 02:01:36.520 --> 02:01:36.960 the world. 2577 02:01:36.760 --> 02:01:39.800 That happened, I did not know that. Yeah, it invaded 2578 02:01:39.840 --> 02:01:42.640 the gambling community. No, it's selling military stuff. And you're 2579 02:01:42.640 --> 02:01:44.880 talking about the army operation and that was the minister 2580 02:01:45.079 --> 02:01:49.319 ghost technically speaking, was the army operation. SRI predated that 2581 02:01:49.439 --> 02:01:51.439 the scientologists did, That's what I'm saying. So their stuff 2582 02:01:51.520 --> 02:01:53.359 was based up on the SRI stuff of how put 2583 02:01:53.399 --> 02:01:55.119 off and interesting in. 2584 02:01:55.720 --> 02:01:58.439 Friend Yeah, and Elron Geller. 2585 02:01:58.680 --> 02:02:00.800 El Ron Hubbard, I know, the whole time law thing. 2586 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:03.079 But he's spent what the whole sixties, like sailing the 2587 02:02:03.119 --> 02:02:05.239 whole time, and you just wonder, like what he's doing 2588 02:02:05.319 --> 02:02:07.119 on that ship the whole time, dude just probably just 2589 02:02:07.279 --> 02:02:10.119 probably just some sort of like mass conscious event type 2590 02:02:10.159 --> 02:02:12.560 situation that he was trying to trying to conduct on it. 2591 02:02:13.399 --> 02:02:14.439 He was doing somewhere else. 2592 02:02:14.640 --> 02:02:16.560 He wasn't just on the ocean. He was in London, 2593 02:02:17.119 --> 02:02:18.960 m oh go ahead, Jane. 2594 02:02:19.239 --> 02:02:21.399 No, I'm just saying that what Glenn said, that's the 2595 02:02:21.520 --> 02:02:23.439 end goal, Like that would be the end goal to 2596 02:02:23.520 --> 02:02:26.479 have like a total buy in by like maybe you 2597 02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:27.000 could say a. 2598 02:02:27.079 --> 02:02:30.640 Small no outside, nothing outside you just the water, you 2599 02:02:30.680 --> 02:02:31.239 know what I'm saying. 2600 02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:36.960 Yeah, like you're hermeneutically sealed, because it's like how Heidi 2601 02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:39.640 talks about like when you're born a Mormon, like in 2602 02:02:39.720 --> 02:02:42.720 a more conservative Mormon family, you're not really allowed to 2603 02:02:42.800 --> 02:02:44.640 have the outside influence this. 2604 02:02:45.119 --> 02:02:48.279 Yeah, they cut it off and no, And I don't 2605 02:02:48.279 --> 02:02:49.840 know if you guys have seen the Paul Thomas Anderson 2606 02:02:49.840 --> 02:02:54.000 film The Master. That's oh yeah, that's l Ron Hubbard 2607 02:02:54.000 --> 02:02:58.279 plus Thomas Pinsion, like parapolitical stuff essentially. Oh yeah, based 2608 02:02:58.279 --> 02:03:00.920 off Thomasson's v Yeah, it's a great movie. And Philip 2609 02:03:00.960 --> 02:03:03.039 Seymour Hoffin does a great Hubbard. He can't say he's 2610 02:03:03.079 --> 02:03:05.560 doing it for all this legal liability stuff, but he's. 2611 02:03:05.479 --> 02:03:08.399 Doing got murdered. You have to think. 2612 02:03:08.920 --> 02:03:11.600 You have to think because you're light. I mean, because 2613 02:03:11.640 --> 02:03:13.760 I never heard of a drug addiction to him. I 2614 02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:16.159 maybe he did, but I was I was weird. It 2615 02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:19.199 was taking crazy shots of heroin. They said, it was suicidal. 2616 02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:21.640 But yeah, of course, yeah, but if you know, it's 2617 02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:25.000 it's the perfect scientileicsy frame job because they don't understand 2618 02:03:25.079 --> 02:03:27.199 drugs properly because they hate him, so they think it's 2619 02:03:27.239 --> 02:03:29.760 some guy who did heroin twenty years ago. Is something 2620 02:03:29.840 --> 02:03:32.319 going to go buy forty seven small baggies of heroin 2621 02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:35.359 and then do a large volume of it and lying 2622 02:03:35.439 --> 02:03:36.119 his bed with a bag. 2623 02:03:36.159 --> 02:03:38.319 He's just kind of way across the belly, you know 2624 02:03:38.359 --> 02:03:40.159 what I mean? Like, yeah, that makes sense. That's what 2625 02:03:40.239 --> 02:03:41.840 a drug overdose looks like. You know what I mean. 2626 02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:43.960 What I'm saying is somebody who did not understand drug 2627 02:03:44.000 --> 02:03:47.319 overdoses right literally had staged that drug overdose and so 2628 02:03:47.359 --> 02:03:49.439 they weren't very smart about it, and they were you know, 2629 02:03:49.479 --> 02:03:51.880 they weren't very uh surgical, if you will. 2630 02:03:52.199 --> 02:03:54.720 And in that film, you get you get the classic 2631 02:03:54.840 --> 02:03:56.840 scene from that film is when l Ron Hubbard is 2632 02:03:56.880 --> 02:03:59.399 trying to heal el Ron Hubbard Carriatter is trying to 2633 02:03:59.399 --> 02:04:01.920 heal a woman and just through talking to her while 2634 02:04:02.000 --> 02:04:04.640 she's in some kind of in between state, and everybody 2635 02:04:04.680 --> 02:04:08.199 in the rooms bought in except one guy. There's one 2636 02:04:08.239 --> 02:04:11.199 guy that goes, huh, I don't know about that basically, 2637 02:04:11.319 --> 02:04:13.560 and it ruins the entire thing, not because he's being 2638 02:04:13.600 --> 02:04:16.199 called out as a fraud, but because you've ruined the 2639 02:04:17.079 --> 02:04:19.359 whatever we were putting up. It was one guy that 2640 02:04:19.439 --> 02:04:23.079 broke it down. So it's like, it's very interesting. It's 2641 02:04:23.079 --> 02:04:26.119 a very interesting film. After what we've talked about today. 2642 02:04:26.239 --> 02:04:26.640 I love it. 2643 02:04:26.800 --> 02:04:30.159 I might watch it again after what we talked about today. Oh, 2644 02:04:30.880 --> 02:04:31.840 I think it's a great film. 2645 02:04:31.880 --> 02:04:35.439 And Paul Thomas Anderson and Philip Seymour Hoffman were high 2646 02:04:35.439 --> 02:04:38.399 on my list of secret scientologists, largely due to their 2647 02:04:38.399 --> 02:04:42.359 associations with Tom Cruise, but so I highly recommend Paul 2648 02:04:42.439 --> 02:04:46.159 Thomas Anderson's You mentioned Thomas Bencheon Thomas Benscheon's novel and 2649 02:04:46.199 --> 02:04:49.319 hair advice that he did. Great film tells the story 2650 02:04:49.359 --> 02:04:52.560 of the Manson family and the processed church activities in 2651 02:04:52.600 --> 02:04:56.680 around the Manson family in Los Angeles, including the maschinations 2652 02:04:56.720 --> 02:04:59.960 of politics, the Cold activity, un trafficking. 2653 02:05:00.039 --> 02:05:01.479 Vietnam drug trafficking. Yeah. 2654 02:05:02.119 --> 02:05:05.439 Well, and it's it's exactly how I described Narcanon. So 2655 02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:09.119 they're part of the process that is described in that 2656 02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:12.520 film of the organized crime outfit that I just was describing, 2657 02:05:12.640 --> 02:05:16.159 which is representative of the actual process, and they're organized 2658 02:05:16.199 --> 02:05:19.319 crime crime composite of how they work out. Well that 2659 02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:21.640 they're talking about how they're getting hooked on the drugs 2660 02:05:22.079 --> 02:05:24.920 then sending them, then they send them to get you know, to. 2661 02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:25.560 The rehab right. 2662 02:05:25.600 --> 02:05:28.720 Well, that's exactly precisely what they're doing with Narcanon today. 2663 02:05:28.760 --> 02:05:32.159 I mean, and like the majority of jurisdictions in America, 2664 02:05:32.239 --> 02:05:35.800 you can get fooked on scientology just by inadvertently getting 2665 02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:37.680 mandated to go to rehab from the court. 2666 02:05:38.199 --> 02:05:40.840 Well there's something you said, Jaja, that's really interesting. I 2667 02:05:40.880 --> 02:05:44.880 don't know about narcanon or that program at all, only 2668 02:05:44.920 --> 02:05:47.680 from what I've heard from you, But alan On really 2669 02:05:48.359 --> 02:05:49.359 storage stick. 2670 02:05:49.199 --> 02:05:51.640 To it, Elder Jen, you know you're that way. Don't 2671 02:05:51.640 --> 02:05:54.359 never get confused to be a scientilogist. Never heard of arcanon, 2672 02:05:54.399 --> 02:05:55.159 Please tell me about it. 2673 02:05:55.279 --> 02:05:57.720 No, I've heard of Narcanon. I don't know anything about 2674 02:05:57.880 --> 02:06:00.359 like how to work it or anything. But I'm saying 2675 02:06:01.079 --> 02:06:04.479 alan On the guy who did the alan On, So 2676 02:06:04.520 --> 02:06:06.920 I don't know if it's the same foundation. And we'll 2677 02:06:06.960 --> 02:06:10.760 call it I'll use a magic word. So he was 2678 02:06:10.920 --> 02:06:13.399 drawing from magic. He was drawing from Melany P. Hall. 2679 02:06:13.479 --> 02:06:16.000 He was talking about new thought. All those people like 2680 02:06:16.199 --> 02:06:18.479 it because they had that stuff, like all that stuff 2681 02:06:18.520 --> 02:06:21.479 that people talk about on Twitter, like manifestation. Yeah, they 2682 02:06:21.520 --> 02:06:24.239 were talking about that in like eighteen seventy. Like that's 2683 02:06:24.359 --> 02:06:27.920 old yeah to quote unquote term, I know your favorite 2684 02:06:28.079 --> 02:06:30.720 Jjuo has accused me of being a zoomer or whatever. 2685 02:06:31.319 --> 02:06:34.800 So like that's like old shit, that's like old fashioned stuff. 2686 02:06:35.159 --> 02:06:37.600 So they're talking about like that's what he's talking about. 2687 02:06:37.640 --> 02:06:40.960 He's like, make yourself better through the power of positive thinking. 2688 02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:43.600 And so that does sound like a Mormon. 2689 02:06:44.359 --> 02:06:48.319 Yeah yeah, well it's the nextus point between all those things, 2690 02:06:48.439 --> 02:06:51.840 right because like going clear the same mighty in Kabala, 2691 02:06:52.000 --> 02:06:54.640 like they're just they're teaching people metaphysics, but in like 2692 02:06:54.760 --> 02:06:58.399 kind of a fucked up klipolithic way. 2693 02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:01.600 Well, it sounds like you think there's a and I 2694 02:07:01.880 --> 02:07:03.880 agree with you, there's a good utility for some of 2695 02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:05.359 that stuff though, right, Like it's not. 2696 02:07:05.600 --> 02:07:07.880 Oh yeah, I think I think your part at all. 2697 02:07:07.960 --> 02:07:08.199 You don't. 2698 02:07:08.720 --> 02:07:12.520 I'm on the same mind where I'm like everything this exists, 2699 02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:15.439 this doesn't. I don't have to handle it with like Homer. 2700 02:07:15.600 --> 02:07:17.359 I mean, maybe you do have to handle it with Claire, 2701 02:07:17.399 --> 02:07:20.199 but like you don't have to dangerous. I think to 2702 02:07:20.239 --> 02:07:23.319 seclude yourself or to like I should say, exclude yourself 2703 02:07:23.359 --> 02:07:25.720 from a lot of this stuff would give off a fear, 2704 02:07:26.199 --> 02:07:30.399 which fear then is almost like said with the cattle mutilations, 2705 02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:32.199 kind of like whoa, what is that doing? 2706 02:07:32.319 --> 02:07:36.840 You know? I never dark without the life? 2707 02:07:38.119 --> 02:07:39.840 Yeah, there's never dark without life. 2708 02:07:39.880 --> 02:07:41.840 Yeah, exactly right, right right. 2709 02:07:42.000 --> 02:07:46.079 I have Heidi and JJ who like kind of hold 2710 02:07:46.159 --> 02:07:48.279 me back from like full on a best siving and 2711 02:07:48.439 --> 02:07:49.159 next like go for it. 2712 02:07:49.239 --> 02:07:51.800 Even though he became an elder right before our eyes, 2713 02:07:51.960 --> 02:07:53.279 we are holding gin back. 2714 02:07:53.640 --> 02:07:59.039 Yep, No, I'm just seizing. But you guys your name, No, 2715 02:07:59.199 --> 02:08:01.600 I'm like, but I'm very like, yeah, I think that 2716 02:08:01.720 --> 02:08:07.199 people should at least study wisdom science be involved in 2717 02:08:07.279 --> 02:08:10.720 a noetic process, because that's really what I was sure, right, 2718 02:08:10.800 --> 02:08:13.920 it's like the the like learning about these things, like 2719 02:08:15.319 --> 02:08:17.439 all the different texts and like, because then you can 2720 02:08:17.520 --> 02:08:21.199 say like, oh, it's like, uh, I accidentally joke to 2721 02:08:21.279 --> 02:08:23.039 this on one of the guests and he kind of 2722 02:08:23.079 --> 02:08:26.119 got offended. But it's like where you have a citation 2723 02:08:26.600 --> 02:08:28.520 and you go back and you look at the citation 2724 02:08:28.680 --> 02:08:32.039 and the citation's not referring to what it's supposed to 2725 02:08:32.079 --> 02:08:35.279 be referring to. It's like if you read the original text, 2726 02:08:35.319 --> 02:08:38.199 then you can actually know what it says. You don't 2727 02:08:38.239 --> 02:08:40.319 have to listen to someone's like third hand account. 2728 02:08:41.760 --> 02:08:42.119 Interesting. 2729 02:08:42.159 --> 02:08:42.760 I agree. 2730 02:08:44.319 --> 02:08:47.119 I often credit the mormontuch for the same way, and like, well, 2731 02:08:47.239 --> 02:08:50.560 my morning upbringing had some good things too. I credit 2732 02:08:50.640 --> 02:08:54.560 my conspiracy theory worldviews to my Mormon upbringing in their 2733 02:08:54.600 --> 02:08:57.680 gnostic belief system, and it is a very nastic belief system, 2734 02:08:57.680 --> 02:08:59.600 and you can see it through a lot of Mormon activities. 2735 02:09:00.159 --> 02:09:03.199 Now they manifest differentely mine. They manifested in a farly 2736 02:09:03.239 --> 02:09:06.039 different you know, man of the most or far different 2737 02:09:06.039 --> 02:09:07.840 manner the most. A lot of folks just stack about 2738 02:09:08.119 --> 02:09:10.840 three thousand jars of food in their basement. I took 2739 02:09:10.880 --> 02:09:13.319 a different route with those with those perspective, I know, 2740 02:09:13.319 --> 02:09:15.119 as I'm talking about, with all the food stores and 2741 02:09:15.199 --> 02:09:15.800 preper stuff. 2742 02:09:15.840 --> 02:09:17.760 But like so these are very very. 2743 02:09:17.720 --> 02:09:21.159 Much ingrained in the values there, and there's a strong conspiracy. 2744 02:09:21.199 --> 02:09:24.279 There's worldview, you know, if you will, through this gnostic worldview, 2745 02:09:24.399 --> 02:09:27.239 So you know, I do, I do, I do appreciate that, 2746 02:09:27.439 --> 02:09:29.000 But there's a lot of dark things about. 2747 02:09:28.760 --> 02:09:32.840 The non sectarian Oscism is totally good, like where you 2748 02:09:32.960 --> 02:09:36.880 don't take it crazy, but the problem is where you 2749 02:09:37.000 --> 02:09:39.800 put it in like these containers you can say and 2750 02:09:40.000 --> 02:09:40.560 like you say. 2751 02:09:40.439 --> 02:09:41.439 Oh food. 2752 02:09:43.720 --> 02:09:46.359 Well, there's elements of Mormonism that do make sense to me. 2753 02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:49.880 I'm not again, but it does, like I'm just saying 2754 02:09:50.840 --> 02:09:54.640 to it, but I don't agree with how they do it, 2755 02:09:55.159 --> 02:09:57.319 Like I think it can just all be done conceptually, 2756 02:09:57.439 --> 02:09:59.399 like in your mind. I don't think you need like 2757 02:09:59.479 --> 02:10:00.479 all this you're. 2758 02:10:00.760 --> 02:10:03.439 Should they do like yeah, and they need to be truthful. 2759 02:10:04.159 --> 02:10:05.119 They're not truthful. 2760 02:10:05.560 --> 02:10:07.640 Well, I'm just like, you know, if you want to 2761 02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:12.520 be mas and just say like that's how I think 2762 02:10:12.560 --> 02:10:14.119 of it. Let's just like just say what it is. 2763 02:10:14.199 --> 02:10:15.880 You don't have to tell us like all about. 2764 02:10:15.680 --> 02:10:17.920 It, but yeah, tell us what we're doing. 2765 02:10:18.760 --> 02:10:21.039 Yeah, Like people who are Mormons, they should be like, yeah, 2766 02:10:21.079 --> 02:10:22.880 you guys are actually learning Masonic ship. 2767 02:10:23.319 --> 02:10:23.520 Yeah. 2768 02:10:23.560 --> 02:10:26.520 I definitely deserve to know that I had Mason underwear 2769 02:10:26.560 --> 02:10:28.520 on and I didn't even know what a Mason was. 2770 02:10:29.479 --> 02:10:33.199 So I mean that's totally unfair Mormon Church. And that's 2771 02:10:33.239 --> 02:10:35.920 why I'm coming for you every day straight from Utah. 2772 02:10:38.720 --> 02:10:39.600 My neighbors hate me. 2773 02:10:42.640 --> 02:10:47.560 Yes, I think we're gonna wrap it up here for 2774 02:10:47.640 --> 02:10:51.119 you guys. Uh yeah, a little bit over two hours 2775 02:10:51.159 --> 02:10:53.319 and uh I have to get going and so do I. 2776 02:10:53.560 --> 02:10:59.960 So again, Glenn, thank you so much for coming on. 2777 02:11:00.239 --> 02:11:01.319 I really appreciate. 2778 02:11:00.960 --> 02:11:03.960 Anytime I felt like I was paled in comparison to 2779 02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:04.720 you guys. But thank you. 2780 02:11:05.600 --> 02:11:07.560 You guys open You guys don't realize like how many 2781 02:11:07.680 --> 02:11:09.600 like doors you guys opened up just from just chatting. 2782 02:11:09.640 --> 02:11:11.239 So that's why I love this medium platform. 2783 02:11:11.520 --> 02:11:14.560 So anytime you guys gotta Yeah, first off, you guys 2784 02:11:14.600 --> 02:11:18.119 got to have my co hosts really into parapsychology. But 2785 02:11:18.199 --> 02:11:21.119 he's just a fun, like to hit hippie guy, so 2786 02:11:21.359 --> 02:11:24.279 like he's really he's really cool. I would need to 2787 02:11:24.319 --> 02:11:26.479 hear him on here actually, is what I'm demanding it. 2788 02:11:27.000 --> 02:11:29.159 So you guys do guests as well. 2789 02:11:29.239 --> 02:11:29.680 I'm sure. 2790 02:11:30.479 --> 02:11:32.640 I'm sure we'd love to you know. W Well, well 2791 02:11:32.720 --> 02:11:34.840 we'll all uh, we'll mix. We'll be like the hotels 2792 02:11:34.880 --> 02:11:39.000 in the Houstons of podcasts. Yeah, we'll bring all the 2793 02:11:39.279 --> 02:11:42.079 with us, bring the cards there you go. 2794 02:11:43.880 --> 02:11:47.279 Yeah, So Glenn, let everybody know again where they can 2795 02:11:47.319 --> 02:11:48.319 find your show, please. 2796 02:11:48.640 --> 02:11:51.159 Sure, yeah, rare Candy dot subtack dot com. That's where 2797 02:11:51.159 --> 02:11:53.960 all the writing is and when if you like what 2798 02:11:54.079 --> 02:11:56.359 I said about fiction, that's where our podcast Gain of 2799 02:11:56.439 --> 02:11:58.960 Fiction is located there. It's part of like our whole 2800 02:11:59.039 --> 02:12:01.399 premium feed. You guys understand how that works, of course. 2801 02:12:01.600 --> 02:12:03.960 And then we're on Apple and Spotify just Rare Candy. 2802 02:12:04.039 --> 02:12:06.680 It's not a Pokemon podcast, but it started that way. Uh, 2803 02:12:07.159 --> 02:12:09.000 it didn't start that way, but the name, the name 2804 02:12:09.399 --> 02:12:11.720 like came from them. We don't like pretend to not 2805 02:12:11.880 --> 02:12:15.039 know what that is obviously, so people do occasionally get 2806 02:12:16.279 --> 02:12:18.640 get misinformation. Then they're like, oh, this is not what 2807 02:12:18.720 --> 02:12:22.640 I thought. So there's uh, there's that, and then at 2808 02:12:22.760 --> 02:12:26.359 rare Candy Pod one on x and then at rare 2809 02:12:26.399 --> 02:12:29.159 Candy Pod on Instagram. So thanks again, guys, an absolute 2810 02:12:29.199 --> 02:12:29.840 blast anytime. 2811 02:12:30.279 --> 02:12:32.039 Anytime. Well, well, I'll be in touch with all of you, 2812 02:12:32.079 --> 02:12:32.439 I'm sure. 2813 02:12:32.479 --> 02:12:35.680 Oh yeah, that was great, thank you, and uh yeah, 2814 02:12:35.720 --> 02:12:37.960 i'll have your show notes. I'll put everything in the bottom. 2815 02:12:37.960 --> 02:12:39.399 If you want to, you can just send me everything 2816 02:12:39.479 --> 02:12:41.960 and uh, I'll make sure that's included in the bottom. 2817 02:12:42.039 --> 02:12:45.640 And I'll have JJ's and we got a freder Jins 2818 02:12:45.720 --> 02:12:46.840 and we got Heidi loves that. 2819 02:12:46.920 --> 02:12:48.119 I'll add about it. 2820 02:12:49.319 --> 02:12:51.840 You got all the links for this shows. Thank you 2821 02:12:51.920 --> 02:12:54.479 again all for coming on. It was a great show. 2822 02:12:55.079 --> 02:12:57.920 I appreciate it. It was definitely on a cult Rejex show. 2823 02:12:58.279 --> 02:13:01.159 And then till the next one. Everyone be well later