WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:04.040 Rolled down the windows for road trips with summer playlists 2 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:08.640 like Summer Classics. 3 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:10.320 Or just escape into a podcast. 4 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.400 Your summer soundtrack is already in your pocket with the 5 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:16.920 free iHeartRadio app signed your next summer preset now now 6 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:19.000 my radio. 7 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:30.519 Hi Billy Cunning him the Great American and coming up 8 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.119 later of courses Reds Baseball. The Twinkies are in town, 9 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:36.399 Reds one last night. Another big game tonight than tomorrow 10 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:39.399 business special. Also in about one hour, County Pillach will 11 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:41.560 be here, the Hemny County Prosecutor. But joining us now 12 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:44.520 is is Sarah Herringer and she's the widow of Patrick 13 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:49.320 who was murdered on her about June the fourth. And Sarah, 14 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:50.439 first of all, how you doing. 15 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:54.719 I am. I'm highly functional on hanging in there. 16 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:57.560 And you have your your bunny with you. 17 00:00:57.640 --> 00:00:57.840 Yep. 18 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.240 I've got my therapy dog Ted and he's sleeping right 19 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:02.799 now at my feet. So let's go back in time. 20 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:03.920 When did you meet Patrick? 21 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:06.879 I met Patrick when I first saw him on the streets. 22 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.239 I met him in Colorado Springs, which is where I'm 23 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:12.040 initially from. And he was stationed in the military there, 24 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:17.599 and it was about twenty eleven and I saw him, 25 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:19.560 and I pointed out to a friend and I said, 26 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:20.519 I'm going to marry that man. 27 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:24.519 Wait a minute, yes, and you were you were how old? 28 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:25.719 About twenty twenty five? 29 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:27.519 I was about twenty five yep. 30 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.959 And you saw Patrick and said, yeah, that's it, that's it. 31 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:31.319 Wow? 32 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:32.599 What was it about him? 33 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:33.640 He? 34 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.120 I mean, anyone who knew him would say, he just 35 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:42.200 has this force that draws you in. He's very stands 36 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:45.079 out in a crowd, has a presence about him. And 37 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:47.840 I just saw him and it was truly love at 38 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.280 first sight. And I know that's really cheesy, but it's 39 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:50.959 one hundred percent. 40 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:52.159 Sometimes it happens. 41 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:52.560 It does. 42 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.280 Yeah, as far as his military service, what can you 43 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:57.799 tell me about Pat's sacrifice for the nation? 44 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:03.959 Yeah, he's two Bronze Star award also combat I had. 45 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.879 You know, he didn't really talk a whole lot about 46 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:11.960 all of the accolades and awards that he had because 47 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:15.439 he knew that other people's sacrifice was greater than his. 48 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.319 He was deployed twice. He came home alive, many of 49 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:22.840 his friends did not. And in the past week, you know, 50 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.159 going through this process, I had reached out to one 51 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.919 of his buddies, and was like, just, you know, out 52 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.439 of curiosity, what has he been awarded with? And he 53 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.120 sent me about ten different things that he had and 54 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:40.199 was very successful. He was an army captain and really 55 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.680 loved serving and when it was time to move on, 56 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:47.080 he wanted to be a business owner and serve a 57 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:50.240 community and just take it from government into private. 58 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.240 What took you from Colorado Springs to Cincinnati? 59 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.159 He's a Cincinnati boy and I did not know this, 60 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.759 but if you're from here, you come back and you 61 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:02.719 bring someone with you. That's how people are, like Colorado, 62 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.240 why are you here? And honestly, I have family from 63 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.199 the Midwest. They're more so Dayton, Ohio. I had never 64 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:13.759 been to Cincinnati, though, and when I first started dating him, 65 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.120 we came back and I was like, Cincinnati's got some 66 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:20.360 things going on. I like that. And when he separated 67 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.319 from the military, we took a brief stint in New 68 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:28.800 York City. He was a consultant for Ernst and Young. 69 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:33.319 I was doing a global events coordination for Goldman Sachs. 70 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:35.800 I was a project manager back in the day with 71 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:41.840 our corporate world, and he really it wasn't fulfilling and 72 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:45.039 he wanted to open a business. He wanted to open 73 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:49.080 a gym because health and fitness, mental health, physical health 74 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.800 was very is very important to us, and he knew 75 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:56.639 that it was going to be an investment in the 76 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.240 community and he wanted to do that back at home, 77 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:02.360 and so we moved here in the end of twenty 78 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.879 fourteen and in twenty fifteen we opened up which is 79 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.240 now Findly Movement and we've had that business for the 80 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:12.400 last ten years, just changing lives and giving people a 81 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.439 place where they can come every single day and whatever 82 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.199 it is for them work on their health, to have 83 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:19.040 a safe space. 84 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:21.120 Did OTR except you and Patrick? 85 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:26.240 Yeah? Absolutely. I mean the community support has been huge 86 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:31.199 and we've really we've enjoyed our time being there up 87 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:33.399 until till as of late. 88 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:35.879 And you knew the neighbors, they knew you, ye place 89 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:38.120 to go. You had three or four hundred clients come there. 90 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:39.680 And I don't do a lot of it. Maybe I 91 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.000 should work out, I play golf, but nonetheless, a lot 92 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.399 of people to Patrick go to gyms and work out. 93 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.959 And yes, so the goal was to operate a business 94 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.560 in the community, be part of the community. Yes, to 95 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:52.680 be a positive force for good and let's face it, 96 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:54.600 a part that needs some help. OTR has got a 97 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.000 bad repe You may not recall about in the year 98 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.800 two thousand and two thousand and one, it looked like Beirut. 99 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.560 Yeah, I set the city on fire, right right. 100 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:06.560 Yeah, I walked up Vine Street with Charlie Lucan several times. 101 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:10.279 It looked like bea route storefronts by building for a dollar. 102 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:10.680 Yeah. 103 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.360 And that community changed because people like you and Patrick. 104 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:16.439 Absolutely, it was very important to us that we lived 105 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:18.759 and worked in the community that we wanted to serve. 106 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:21.720 We didn't want to be driving in from someplace else. 107 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:25.399 We wanted to really have powerful impact and change in 108 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:26.759 the area that we were in. 109 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.399 At that night, the prosecutors asked you not to talk 110 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:34.120 particularly about the circumstances, true, because there may be a 111 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:37.199 testimony by you in court and you don't want different 112 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:39.360 versions of the same set of facts. I'm sure you 113 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:41.720 have locked in your mind what happened, but many school 114 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:46.959 things might be remembered differently. But did you know Mordecai Black, 115 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.519 have any interaction ever see him on the street before, 116 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.079 any connection with him whatsoever. 117 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.079 No, not at all, and to my understanding, not Patrick either. 118 00:05:55.240 --> 00:06:02.480 He was very friendly with everyone, was never you know, 119 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.279 suspicious or didn't. Was very much so lived in the community. 120 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:08.720 We knew people on the street corners, We talked to them, 121 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:14.079 knew their names, interacted with them. And that is a 122 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:18.000 question that I have been asked, and I nothing out 123 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.319 of the blue, no connection whatsoever with this man. 124 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.000 When the event took place. Of course, us on there 125 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:26.399 the next day, and there was reports that a white 126 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:31.839 woman I assume you was put in handcuffs by the police, Yes, 127 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:33.279 And what impact did that have? 128 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.319 Well, I when I look back now, and you know, 129 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:42.959 I do think context is everything, and if the system 130 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:47.319 was set up differently, yes, I think victims should probably 131 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.480 be taken to a psych word in that situation, and 132 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.839 that's really probably what should have happened to me. I do, though, 133 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:57.360 appreciate the policing that happened because Patrick is the victim. 134 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:00.800 And when they entered the scene more Kai Black had 135 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.519 already fled. There was no one there but my sister 136 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:07.319 and I, and they immediately were working for Patrick and 137 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:13.720 advocating for him, and in my state of shock, was 138 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:16.439 not very easy to get along with. I had seen 139 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:18.319 too many movies and thought I would be riding with 140 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.319 him in the ambulance and that was not the case. 141 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:26.279 And so in hindsight, you know, no, I obviously it's 142 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.879 part of that where I wish that had never happened. 143 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.600 And I don't hold anything against them though, because I 144 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:34.839 know that what they were doing was making sure that 145 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.079 from the very beginning that they were taking this seriously 146 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.199 and doing their job and doing what they needed to do. 147 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:43.639 So do you that this was a real horror movie 148 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:44.680 and it was happening to you? 149 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:46.360 Absolutely? Absolutely? 150 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.360 How long were you in handcuffs. 151 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:53.560 For a while? And you know, again they they did 152 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:59.639 their due diligence with questioning and I was released later 153 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:00.600 that afternoon. 154 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:03.920 Uh, and so you were locked up several hours? 155 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:04.360 Yes? 156 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:05.680 Why? 157 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:10.800 Uh, I don't exactly know. You know, I'm not I'm 158 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:16.040 not on the inside in that. And I but again 159 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:19.279 likely because I was the number one suspect in a 160 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:22.959 lot of these situations, you can it's not uncommon to 161 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.639 have spouse or next of kin be the person who 162 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:32.919 has done something like this. And uh, I also, you know, 163 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.559 refused to speak to them until my lawyer arrived, and 164 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:36.879 that that took a little bit. 165 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.080 And you told me off there. Of course, you can't 166 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.679 talk about the particulars, but you did you did want 167 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.879 to say that Patrick uh died defending you. 168 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:52.000 Yes, yes, I was attacked myself and he he protected me, 169 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:57.679 and that's that's how he he died. And one of 170 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.879 the things that really stands out from that night, I 171 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:05.039 mean many many details, but the last words that he 172 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.960 kept saying was stay fighting, stay fighting. The man had 173 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:16.399 Mordecai Black had left, and all the way to the 174 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.120 very last moment, he made sure that I was protected 175 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:19.559 and I. 176 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.039 Was safe and Patrick died. 177 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:22.679 Yes. 178 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:25.039 Have you come to grips with that yet? 179 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:31.360 I don't think so. It's there are very strange moments 180 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.720 in the day where nothing, it doesn't feel real again, 181 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:40.879 highly functioning and able to do a lot, I feel 182 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:44.879 that overnight, you know, my entire world has shattered and 183 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:50.759 split and have entirely different priorities and focuses that I 184 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:55.240 had before that. I am taking care of myself doing 185 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:59.759 everything that you know again me. I'm also a full 186 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.480 list to health practitioner and health and life coach and 187 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.000 anything that I advice that I would give anyone in 188 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:12.759 this situation on grief and trauma and self regulation and 189 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:15.720 how to move through that or all of the steps 190 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:21.840 that I'm taking, but no, it's moment by moment and 191 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.440 day by day because I can't think of six months, 192 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.759 a year, et cetera down the road without him. That's 193 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:32.720 far too overwhelming for me right now. 194 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.559 And Sarah, you know, Patrick would want you to continue. 195 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:37.919 He would want you to live your life, yes, and 196 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.120 to love and to enjoy your friends and family. He'd 197 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:42.600 want you to continue the. 198 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:45.879 Business, absolutely, and he made sure of that, you know. 199 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.080 And that's you know, when I look through all of 200 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:51.399 this and there's so many you can kill yourself with 201 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:55.519 asking why why this? Why us? Why now? Why him? 202 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.440 And I don't have those answers, but I know that 203 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:01.320 he may sure that I was still here. 204 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:04.320 Some have said this is a Kyle Plush moment. That 205 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:06.720 was the boy at Seven Hills. It was upside down 206 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.320 in the backseat of a van and he was calling 207 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:11.799 nine to one one and kind of blew off a 208 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.440 little bit, and then the system changed. What is your 209 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.480 mission now with the sitting with the state. 210 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:20.679 My mission now is to get Cincinnati to a place 211 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.440 where their residents are safe, because they're not. And that 212 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:27.480 is that is an illusion that I was living under. 213 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:33.080 And of course when the veil's very thin, and when 214 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.399 it doesn't affect you, it's pretty easy to fall for 215 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:41.039 optics or to take things at face value, or you know, 216 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:44.039 even I just felt so safe with him because of 217 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.960 the type of man of who my husband is. Just 218 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:51.440 a very physical specimen. He's very intimidating looking. He's trained 219 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:55.559 in hand to hand combat obviously, you know, army military veteran, 220 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:01.360 and knowing what I know now, and that is something 221 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:07.000 that I absolutely cannot stay silent about. The city needs 222 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:10.320 to be cleaned up. There's been ten murders in the 223 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:14.679 last fourteen days, and how is anyone safe? How is 224 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:21.399 that acceptable? And there is also an underserved population and 225 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:25.200 demographic who doesn't have the resources, who doesn't have the community, 226 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:28.320 who doesn't have the support. My community is full of 227 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:34.840 highly highly skilled individuals that their help is what I 228 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.960 will need in order to affect change. I can't do 229 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.679 this alone, and there are so many people who don't 230 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.840 have access to that, and so I do feel very 231 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:47.360 strongly this is our community, this is who we wanted 232 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:51.519 to serve. Patrick is a protector and that is what 233 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:54.960 I'm on a mission to do. You're leaving, No, I'm 234 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:56.480 not leaving I'm staying. 235 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.320 You met with the mayor, you met with the prosecutor. 236 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:00.639 Let's talk first about the mayor. Now, I have a 237 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:03.679 social posting you made about the mayor. Have to have 238 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:05.840 pure of aal. What did you say to him and 239 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:06.720 what did he say to you? 240 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:10.440 Very sorry, but I don't think condolences do enough in 241 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:14.519 this kind of situation. Anyone else can be sorry, people 242 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:18.240 who knew him, people who loved him, people who love us. 243 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:22.200 That's an acceptable response, but from the leadership who's been 244 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:26.120 elected to protect us and keep us safe, grief and 245 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.720 the after effect is not okay. And he did not know, 246 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:36.200 for instance, that the state was not in communication with 247 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:39.600 local law enforcement, and that's your job to know those things. 248 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:42.879 So that's, you know, negligence as far as I'm concerned. 249 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:45.039 You don't get to have an escape when it comes 250 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:48.759 to that, or an excuse or an out. And you know, 251 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.600 he did offer support, saying that he would do anything 252 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:55.200 to change legislation, and I hope that that is something 253 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:58.799 that we can count on him for, because again, he 254 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:03.440 is in a politician in a place of that kind 255 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:08.000 of leadership, and I am not and I will need resources. However, 256 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.879 the actions that he takes moving forward. That is what 257 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:13.799 we need to see. Results are going to be the 258 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:19.360 thing that speaks right now, not words, and there needs 259 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.360 to be you know, short of a reckoning, but really 260 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.600 quite that when it comes to cleaning up the streets 261 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:25.279 of Cincinnati. 262 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:28.159 So Mordecai Black was led out after about ten years. 263 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:31.960 I think your lawyer Todd McMurtry who's here, said that 264 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:35.120 Mordecai Black was locked up like nineteen in the last 265 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.120 twenty years, correct, So this was an extremely dangerous person. Yes, 266 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.840 and the adult parle authority had ordered him wear an 267 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:45.039 ankle monitor. He cut it off in February and of 268 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.000 course nobody knew locally that was going there's no communication 269 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.679 between the APA No Pearl Authority and local police none. 270 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.480 Well, the parole authority said, we put a warrant in 271 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.080 the system, the system, so if he had pulled it up, 272 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.480 then you would have seen that. And then we find 273 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:05.639 out that on May fifteenth he is the suspect. He's 274 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.039 identified as the person who does a break in and 275 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:12.960 attempted robbery and these people knew who he was, to 276 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:17.039 my understanding, and again no alarm was sounded, nothing was 277 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:19.960 could have then pulled it up and looked. So the 278 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:23.000 system is broken, and it's failing on multiple levels. I 279 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:25.279 don't think you can just point to one thing, but 280 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:29.039 there has to be a total reform from start to 281 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:33.320 finish on how these type of things are communicated, who's notified, 282 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:37.519 and what actions are taken in order to apprehend someone 283 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:37.960 like him. 284 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:41.320 The system was noticed in May cut off, something's going 285 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.919 to go. System was notified burglary. That's the guy who 286 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.240 did it. They took a report. Police took a report 287 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.840 and said, okay, yep, that's the guy. No one at 288 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.840 that point said, is that the guy who cut off 289 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.919 his bracelet? No connection was made there. So this is 290 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:58.960 a guy that's a career criminal who's going to kill somebody. Yeah, 291 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.120 maybe he has already. Other than Patrick, We're not sure. 292 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:03.960 I wouldn't be surprised. And the whole system said, well, 293 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.360 we're not going to bother with it until something like 294 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:09.320 this happens. Correct and so and then you also had 295 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.720 comments about your meeting with the prosecutor Connie Pilich. He's 296 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:14.720 going to be here in about forty five minutes, and 297 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:15.440 how did that go. 298 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:21.279 They they're very supportive. They you know, they want to 299 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:25.039 see justice done, and the team that is on this 300 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:29.240 is exceptional. I do have concerns about the kind of 301 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:33.039 message they're signaling with sentencing. Though this man expects life 302 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.159 in prison. He's been he's spent his life in prison, 303 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:40.840 and every single time he's gotten out, he has immediately 304 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:44.679 gone and done something more and more aggressive. He's always 305 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:49.240 escalated every time he's been released. And for one, you're 306 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:53.639 not sending a message to violent criminals when you feed them, 307 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.360 house them, give them a TV, a peer support group, 308 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.480 a gym for the rest of their life. When they 309 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.679 expect that that's their life, that's all they know. There 310 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.359 has to be an accountability and something that is far 311 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.559 more severe in order to start deterring these people. And 312 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:14.799 so many people who you know, they yes, we want 313 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:18.880 to see communities rehabilitated. However, most of us can't even 314 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.279 imagine thinking the way these kind of people think, and 315 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:25.799 so it sounds like a vengeance move or something that's 316 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.759 highly aggressive or or coming from a place of my 317 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:32.960 anger and grief. But really what it is is it's 318 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.119 sending a message to people who think, like Mordecai Black, 319 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.519 you probably shouldn't be doing that because there's going to 320 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:42.279 be a true consequence for if you do and when 321 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:42.599 you do. 322 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:47.880 In this case, the prosecutors not seeking the death penalty. 323 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.319 In another case, with Rodney Hinton, who's purposely killed Larry Henderson, 324 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.519 the police officer, she is seeking the death penalty. Have 325 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:58.839 you communicated with her your displeasure with that idea? Yes, 326 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:00.279 is the reaction. 327 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:05.720 I there hasn't really been much of a statement. One 328 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.279 of the things that we have heard from the office, 329 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.200 not necessarily Connie herself, is that when you seek the 330 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.960 death penalty, there are a lot of processes of appeals 331 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:18.799 and it could be a you know, an average and 332 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.599 this is again something I learned when you're looking at 333 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:25.279 a murder trial, those can take on average two years, 334 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.960 maybe even more. In the thought of well through the 335 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:31.079 appeal process, it could take fifteen years or so. And 336 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:33.599 for me it's like, well, nothing is going to bring 337 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.880 Patrick's life back, nothing is going to fix that, nothing 338 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:41.640 is going to rectify that. However, if he is in 339 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.880 this process knowing at the end of it because he 340 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.079 will be found guilty, I do know that the prosecutors 341 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.920 are exceptional. Who is on this case at least deaders 342 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:57.319 is incredible and it's worth that to me in order 343 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.680 to have the kind of change, because we can't fix anything. 344 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:03.440 The only thing that we can do moving forward is 345 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:05.720 how do we change how do we make sure this 346 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:07.119 doesn't happen to someone else. 347 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:11.160 As far as the so called politics of the small 348 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:13.680 p you had a posting about the mayor showing up 349 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:16.880 at a particular kind of a rally, but not on 350 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:18.880 behalf of many of the victims. Every time I hear 351 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.640 something from a politician, it's like crimes down, crimes down, 352 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:24.519 Pat myself on the back. Life is good. That's not 353 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:25.000 the case. 354 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:29.799 No, And I, a independent data analyst, has looked over 355 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:34.079 all of the public information and was the one who 356 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:37.720 sent those graphs out and crime is up, it is 357 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.160 not down. And so when you have and that's the 358 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:43.240 thing that I even said, like anyone who's taken a 359 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:45.680 statistics class, so you always know, you beat the numbers 360 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:47.640 to death till you get the story that you want. 361 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.599 That's what they're good at doing, and that needs to 362 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:54.759 be exposed. People need to know what kind of people 363 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.160 are currently in office and what they're willing to do, 364 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.680 and they're willing to risk your life in order to 365 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:01.480 have optics. 366 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:05.240 Yes, there was video of Black walking around before the 367 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:08.480 murder with a knife in his hands, up and down OTR. 368 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.519 I would assume looking for a victim, and you just 369 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.079 your family just happened to be in his way. I mean, 370 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:17.559 to have one police officer on duty at three o'clock 371 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.200 in the morning between the Ohio River and North Otr. 372 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:22.000 It's kind of ridiculous, isn't it. 373 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.680 It's absolutely ridiculous. And you know the chief of police 374 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:30.480 said when we met with her, Terry and Aftab at 375 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:32.720 the same time, the mayor at the same time. She 376 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:35.359 said she went off of data, and that's what they 377 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:37.920 pride themselves on. Data shows that it's enough. And I 378 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.039 would have to say, why don't you look at just 379 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:43.079 the blood bath that's happened in your city in the 380 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:45.119 last two weeks, and you tell me that your data 381 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.880 tells you that this city is safe enough. Criminals do 382 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:50.240 not fear the current police force that are out on 383 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:56.400 the streets. They're there's no deterrent whatsoever. And that is 384 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.000 not more brutally obvious to anyone other than me. 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