Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here something just because my dog. Something killed your dog.
Speaker 1: My dog. We're flying through the or over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. What are
Speaker 1: you putting? We got some wonder or something prowling around
Speaker 1: out here. Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Was?
Speaker 1: It was standing up. I'm out here looking through the
Speaker 1: window now and I don't see anything. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go outside. Jesus quice you better Hello, hit the
Speaker 1: boddy out here? What quin? I'm out there? I thought
Speaker 1: of a bit of about tick fort nine. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Easy annount there, Yeah, I'm walking right.
Speaker 3: Hey, our folks on, welcome my guest to the show.
Speaker 3: It is Dan Nedrolo from a Wisconsin Welcome.
Speaker 4: To the show, sir, Hello, glad to be here.
Speaker 3: I ain't glad to have you. This has been a
Speaker 3: long time coming. You and I met a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago out at the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference.
Speaker 5: And camp out.
Speaker 3: We got to hang out there, share some conversation, and
Speaker 3: we've been trying forever to get you on the show.
Speaker 3: So I'm stoked to have you here. So let's jump
Speaker 3: right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What
Speaker 3: in the world got you interested in the subject of
Speaker 3: bigfoot sasquatch?
Speaker 5: To begin with?
Speaker 4: All right, it's an easy story. I was a CID
Speaker 4: doing dinosaurs stuff. Was disappointed there wasn't much for dinosaurs
Speaker 4: except possibly the well Kenby over in Africa via Adam Davis.
Speaker 4: She spent some time on the We've had memoasist from
Speaker 4: University of Wisconsin actually investigating as well. Long story short,
Speaker 4: no dinosaurs reptiles. So I became a repetologist in third
Speaker 4: grade and dove into that hard. I wanted to travel
Speaker 4: as fast and as furious as I could, simply because
Speaker 4: I lost my father at age five the same month
Speaker 4: my grandfather, my mother's father passed away. Then my sister
Speaker 4: was born, and so I knew right away there ain't
Speaker 4: no guarantee. Man, you gotta do it fast. So that
Speaker 4: was my motto, travel as hard and as furious as
Speaker 4: I could. And I'm thinking that when I'm five six
Speaker 4: seven years old. So by the time I hit third grade,
Speaker 4: I'm reading every book I can and decided, if I
Speaker 4: do half as much as I want, I got to
Speaker 4: record this shit. So that means I need to be
Speaker 4: a well at photographer, and so I decided to focus
Speaker 4: on that as tight as I could. And I'm well
Speaker 4: published in that by the way. Third fourth grade fifth
Speaker 4: grade I got my first Little Browns Snake called for
Speaker 4: Carter's Sake. But I had an interesting, unusual teacher in
Speaker 4: fifth grade. Her name was Missus Webber, and she's somewhere
Speaker 4: in there mentioned the word abominable snowman, and I was
Speaker 4: a big fan of wal wildlife, especially big primates, mountain
Speaker 4: bowl and gorillas and arrangings, et cetera. Shocked me. So
Speaker 4: I immediately grabbed a cyclopedia and found Yeti's shipped in
Speaker 4: up in Nepaul and started absorbing some of that, and
Speaker 4: then realized that there were other places around the world
Speaker 4: claimed giant ape man. One thing led to another, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I hit Ivan T. Sanderson's book
Speaker 4: Abuminable Suman Legion Come to Life. I eventually picked that
Speaker 4: book up. I've got it now after twenty years. The
Speaker 4: library let it go, and I was able to pick
Speaker 4: up the one that I checked out so much when
Speaker 4: I was in elementary, middle of high school. Sixty seven
Speaker 4: was the year I was at fifth grade. What was
Speaker 4: really strange that winter I was over a buddy mine's
Speaker 4: place and his results whatever it was it was doing.
Speaker 4: But what was interesting was when he came in and
Speaker 4: it was cooled, he slapped the local Lacross Trimmune newspaper
Speaker 4: down on the floor and on the front cover was
Speaker 4: the Patty Visual. I grabbed that and stared at it
Speaker 4: and thought, you've got to be kidding me. And then
Speaker 4: my first reaction was some adults think this is real,
Speaker 4: And I don't know why exactly, but I want to
Speaker 4: find out why. And this is again. In fifth grade,
Speaker 4: I started reading everything I could find, and that went
Speaker 4: all the way through middle school high school. I did
Speaker 4: have an experience when I was fourteen at a church camp,
Speaker 4: and we didn't get to see the call make but
Speaker 4: it hissed as loud as any animal I've ever heard
Speaker 4: make noise, And it was so loud and so deep
Speaker 4: and so consistent, and it was something splashing around on
Speaker 4: the edge of a lake in northern Wisconsin and it
Speaker 4: would not come out, and we had a dozen of
Speaker 4: us or more with flashlights trained on it. It would
Speaker 4: not come out. But it's like a genus pituophus pull snake.
Speaker 4: But it was so loud it was unbelievable, So it
Speaker 4: was obviously mammal. I went on to W. Stevens Point
Speaker 4: major in biology, specifically well of biology to understand what
Speaker 4: I was dealing with there. I didn't find out until
Speaker 4: I was in my forties for verification. And I say
Speaker 4: that because the folks that I've been working with had
Speaker 4: similar recordings and actually got a visual of two sasquatches
Speaker 4: successfully knock a raccoon out of the tree. I couldn't
Speaker 4: find an adult in college that would talk seriously with
Speaker 4: me on the subject, so I kept it inside for
Speaker 4: the most part, because credibility is significant, and I made
Speaker 4: the mistake of letting my credibility be judged by some
Speaker 4: of the wrong people. And financially it's a setback because
Speaker 4: part of my income was speaking, buying a microphone for
Speaker 4: forty years, doing environmental education, throwing alligators and snakes and
Speaker 4: tina pythons on tables and all on the maroon to
Speaker 4: let the kids handle the giant pythons. If all of
Speaker 4: a sudden they don't make it worth your time, obviously
Speaker 4: you don't do that. Nothing happened to me in my twenties,
Speaker 4: thirties or forties. For the most part, I was always
Speaker 4: looking and watching and listening. I had maybe some suspect vocals,
Speaker 4: but I didn't know exactly whether there was anything to
Speaker 4: it or not. But we did have a nineteen seventy
Speaker 4: five report that showed up in John Green's book. When
Speaker 4: it was in my twenties, studied that for the next
Speaker 4: twenty years as hard as I could, trying to look
Speaker 4: at behavioral patterns, physical characteristics, things that would offer clues
Speaker 4: on what they were doing. So started Sanderson's book, I
Speaker 4: could see repeat behavioral patterns that just iced it for me.
Speaker 4: I just knew that if these people are making this
Speaker 4: up independently, with the lack of correspondence that they have,
Speaker 4: that is a mystery in itself. So I felt very
Speaker 4: comfortable that these things were very real. But again, with
Speaker 4: all the work I did on the river bluffs open
Speaker 4: down in Mississippi, in Wisconsin rivers, I never saw tracks,
Speaker 4: I never heard vocals. I'd have unusual experiences sometimes because
Speaker 4: it seemed like I was being watched. Who knows that
Speaker 4: could have been anything from a black bear to a
Speaker 4: cougar or whatever. I ended up. In two thousand, my
Speaker 4: mother passed away. My sister made a bet with me.
Speaker 4: She said, simply, I bet you do not orchestrate a
Speaker 4: network of research with other investigators on the subject. I
Speaker 4: bet you won't do that. Plus I bet you won't
Speaker 4: become computer capable. Can't let your little sister want a bet.
Speaker 4: So I dove into this as hard as I could.
Speaker 4: By this time, I was picking up things on the
Speaker 4: computer with my cousin's computer or again vocals. It was
Speaker 4: starting to get real and interesting as I discovered more
Speaker 4: people making more claims. I found a fellow out of
Speaker 4: Wisconsin who kept coming up with reports and I started
Speaker 4: writing to it, one of the first things you did.
Speaker 4: After a couple of weeks, it was just a barrage
Speaker 4: with questions. He finally asked, so, who the hell are you?
Speaker 4: I told him, and he said, why are you so
Speaker 4: interested in this? And I told him and he asked
Speaker 4: for a resume, And within the week I was in
Speaker 4: the BFRORO with the password, working with numerous people that
Speaker 4: had written the books that I was excited about in
Speaker 4: the first place that was only agree in et cetera,
Speaker 4: so that was quite wonderful. I started in two thousand.
Speaker 4: I stayed in there until two thousand and four, after
Speaker 4: I gain significant weight by typing one from thirty five
Speaker 4: works and to one hundred and four. And I couldn't
Speaker 4: off the telephone because there were so many damn wonderful
Speaker 4: weeds all over the country. And Matt was great with
Speaker 4: me because he simply said, hey, I don't care what
Speaker 4: you do, as long as you don't piss aybody else off.
Speaker 4: I managed to do that a little bit because of
Speaker 4: my enthusiasm and being relentless on this subject in suing information.
Speaker 4: Eventually I decided it was probably best for everybody, but
Speaker 4: I just backed off, which I did in two thousand
Speaker 4: and four. By that time, i'd had over four other interviews.
Speaker 4: I had been in as many as twenty six different
Speaker 4: states getting close to the leads that I wanted to have,
Speaker 4: but I didn't have a visual. I still didn't have
Speaker 4: an awesome vocal. We had distant stuff that Matt and
Speaker 4: Bobo thought, oh yeah, that's them, all that type of stuff,
Speaker 4: but there wasn't anything that really registered as in my face,
Speaker 4: which is what I was looking for. My grandmother passed away,
Speaker 4: suing domestic things took over, so I let this go
Speaker 4: for four or five years. But then in a wight,
Speaker 4: I'd hooked up with a gall in Georgia and she
Speaker 4: had activity under her house and around her house. I
Speaker 4: informed John Bendernagel about it, and we started coming up
Speaker 4: with some ideas on what could be done. I ended
Speaker 4: up driving down to Georgia and seeing my first footprints,
Speaker 4: finally getting vocalizations recorded, beyind things of that nature study
Speaker 4: the univisual. From there, I started creating groups, reconnecting with people.
Speaker 4: That was about two thousand and eight, and I know
Speaker 4: here we are twenty twenty five and I've got a
Speaker 4: pre damn good network.
Speaker 5: No, that's quite the introduction.
Speaker 3: Before we move on, I've got to take you back
Speaker 3: to Georgia and talk a little bit about the case
Speaker 3: that you just mentioned so casually about this lady who's
Speaker 3: having experiences in and around her house and under her
Speaker 3: porch where you got to see these flipprints. Can you
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about what kind of experiences she
Speaker 3: was having and what you found when you got there.
Speaker 4: I'd be glad to. By the way, I just want
Speaker 4: to let you know that I had worked in contract
Speaker 4: with the state. I am a retired and our biologist.
Speaker 4: I was spend alighted way to unpublishing photographs. So I
Speaker 4: was busy all the time. There was forty hour work week.
Speaker 4: There was the governmental assessment jobs to do surveys. Then
Speaker 4: I had speaking engage once. I was working with editors
Speaker 4: with different books and magazines and zoos and calendars and
Speaker 4: that type of thing. Okay, So now going over to
Speaker 4: her place south of Atlanta, about halfway down the state.
Speaker 4: The first thing that happened was we got our first
Speaker 4: footprints and we ended up putting up a CD on
Speaker 4: a wire seven feet off the ground, hoping that maybe
Speaker 4: this could get us some fingerprints or some activity with
Speaker 4: prints or possibly a potential visual. One of the first
Speaker 4: things that happened was raccoons were starting to climb up
Speaker 4: on the thing, but they weren't really negotiating the wire.
Speaker 4: But what got interesting was a CD was taken off
Speaker 4: and put in the basket. Now crows could do that, theoretically,
Speaker 4: raccoons could do that. So we're just looking at that
Speaker 4: as an anomaly. And is that something we're interested in?
Speaker 4: Over time, she started getting footprints. We got fourteen inch prints,
Speaker 4: we got twelve inch prints. We got a bigger print
Speaker 4: between seventeen and eighteen. Okay, now we presumed that we
Speaker 4: had one mail there and about seventeen inches, which that's
Speaker 4: pretty good sized, fella. But we got a different situation
Speaker 4: A couple years after. We're still doing this. A couple
Speaker 4: years after I got to call. At two o'clock in
Speaker 4: the morning, she called me and she said, I am
Speaker 4: really mad at you, and I'm like, oh boy, what
Speaker 4: I do now? Her response was, you didn't tell me
Speaker 4: that they can light their eyes up? How come you
Speaker 4: didn't tell me? And I said, you want to explain
Speaker 4: this please. She was really angry. She went on to say,
Speaker 4: you said we thought we had one big mail punctioning
Speaker 4: eighteen inch seventeen inch prints. There were three of.
Speaker 6: Them my window.
Speaker 4: Now I wasn't there, so I can't verify this happened.
Speaker 4: But this is what she told me to the four
Speaker 4: than two o'clock in the morning. We have them outside
Speaker 4: the window and one of them in back. His eyes
Speaker 4: were lightened up. Why the hell didn't you tell me
Speaker 4: about this? Of course, at that point in time, I
Speaker 4: wasn't necessarily sure about it. I didn't quite know what
Speaker 4: to do with the situation, being it was the first
Speaker 4: type of stress situation I'd had like that. So the
Speaker 4: only thing I think I was I told her I
Speaker 4: didn't think you were ready for that kind of information,
Speaker 4: and I apologized. Luckily it worked. That cooled her down
Speaker 4: that particular night. Now, that was the only time that
Speaker 4: I know of that she had that particular experience. I
Speaker 4: have not had it myself yet. That's one of the
Speaker 4: more interesting things. I did sound a parabolic mic to
Speaker 4: her at one point, and when she got it, she
Speaker 4: called me. She said, what do you want me to
Speaker 4: do now? And I said, why don't you just take
Speaker 4: it out on the porch, because I know they stepped
Speaker 4: up on the porch from time to time. If any
Speaker 4: of them are around, maybe they'll look at it. Maybe
Speaker 4: that would be interesting because I know when she cast
Speaker 4: a prince, they seem to'd be making vocalizations from the distance.
Speaker 4: Watching as she did that, I'm thinking, Okay, let's just
Speaker 4: see what happens. So she goes out, sets it on
Speaker 4: the table, opens the box. It's about an et and
Speaker 4: inch dish. She didn't put it together so much, has
Speaker 4: just left it out there. We talked fifteen minutes. This
Speaker 4: ain't probably the most remarkable thing that happened. While I
Speaker 4: was on the phone with her. She goes, oh, my gosh,
Speaker 4: somebody's here, presumably one of them. I'm like, okay, and
Speaker 4: she goes like, don't you want me to go out,
Speaker 4: because don't you afraid it's going to take the equipment
Speaker 4: or wreck it. I'm like, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I think it's too new, So let's see what happens.
Speaker 4: It isn't too long fifteen minutes or so, I go, okay,
Speaker 4: why don't you go over the door and kind of
Speaker 4: announce your presence so they know you're coming. So then
Speaker 4: we can just check on the equipment and see if
Speaker 4: they moved anything.
Speaker 6: Rude and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back.
Speaker 6: After these messages.
Speaker 4: She went out the microphone which was connected to a
Speaker 4: cord and that was hanging. It was just swinging on
Speaker 4: the edge of the table. But the beauty of it
Speaker 4: was she had a tarp at the base of the
Speaker 4: steps in one of the females about a thirteen and
Speaker 4: seventy eighth inch print had stepped in the water of
Speaker 4: the tarp and left the print on the stairs of
Speaker 4: the port. So that was big. That was one of
Speaker 4: the events that I had where I had a chance
Speaker 4: to learn more about what we were dealing with. When
Speaker 4: I was in the BFO, I had a chance to
Speaker 4: interview quite a few people and visit some of the locations,
Speaker 4: including private properties in Tennessee and Indiana. I also had
Speaker 4: one going in Virginia, and so we were able to
Speaker 4: make comparisons with footprint size, behaviors, vocalizations, things of that
Speaker 4: nature that was going on in A thousand and three.
Speaker 4: I think what came of that. Primarily what amazed me
Speaker 4: the most about the gallon Virginia. She would put things
Speaker 4: out and make available treats or food items. She'd have
Speaker 4: raccoons that would come in and wreck the whole area,
Speaker 4: and then the sasquatches would come in and stack up
Speaker 4: the plates. Real nice. This woman did not last long.
Speaker 4: She had cancer and passed away. Unfortunately, we were able
Speaker 4: to get a few things done. One of them was
Speaker 4: she had a vocalization called she whistled done from the woods.
Speaker 4: She would get that answered to her. So we knew
Speaker 4: about mimicry. Back then we didn't so much wood knocks.
Speaker 4: But with the way we found out that she had
Speaker 4: the activity was she got two footprints at the corner
Speaker 4: of her house, right by the bedroom, and they were
Speaker 4: seventeen inches long in snow. She ended up finding also
Speaker 4: a fourteen inch track, a twelve inch track, and a
Speaker 4: seven inch track. We appropriately called the seven inch track
Speaker 4: Sticky because it seemed to wherever he went he would
Speaker 4: be punching a stick in the ground by the tracks.
Speaker 4: That's a little bit reminiscent of Shane Carpenter's work with
Speaker 4: some of the holes and the sticks that he's been
Speaker 4: finding after rains. Now what else we had there. I
Speaker 4: did send her night vision. She was able to see
Speaker 4: the Big Mail twice and she lost all fear. He
Speaker 4: would not allow her to see him. She caught him
Speaker 4: a couple times on the edge of a building or
Speaker 4: behind a tree, so right away she initially was quite terrified,
Speaker 4: but she lost her fear through the progress of what
Speaker 4: we were trying to accomplish. I will say that we
Speaker 4: did get a few recordings. We got a very benoble
Speaker 4: like metallic call of a juvenile with an adult. It
Speaker 4: sounded like who was on ahad with it and reprimanding him.
Speaker 4: In other words, maybe you're making too much noise, or
Speaker 4: you're giving the property location away, or things like that.
Speaker 4: So those are some of the things that we had
Speaker 4: happened there. At the same time, I had a number
Speaker 4: of people over in Tennesseee that I was working with,
Speaker 4: and one particular family had just moved in from Alaska.
Speaker 4: And what was interesting about that was one night they
Speaker 4: had a disturbance at the chicken coop. This is how
Speaker 4: they full in the head presents. Basically on top of
Speaker 4: the chicken coop. There were green eyes reflecting from the flashlight.
Speaker 4: Now they had dough brewmin pincers, and these dogs weren't
Speaker 4: afraid of anything except for that night. And when mom
Speaker 4: and Dad went toward the chicken coop, the lead dobe
Speaker 4: followed alongside them. The other dope or dobs that don't
Speaker 4: remember the numbers, stayed behind. So that was an Amarett
Speaker 4: behavior right there. So they're just kind of luck. I
Speaker 4: wonder what's going on there. As they proceeded to scare
Speaker 4: it or frighten this bobcat off the roof of the
Speaker 4: chicken coop. They realized, wait a minute, now we're looking
Speaker 4: in another direction, but those eyes are still seventy eight
Speaker 4: feet off the ground. What's going on? And they walked
Speaker 4: in closer, and as they walked in closer, it turned
Speaker 4: and ran and destroyed a fence as it ran through
Speaker 4: a fence and down a hill, down into a bottom.
Speaker 4: What was interesting about that was the remark I was
Speaker 4: told was Dad said, the only thing could do that
Speaker 4: would have to have the size or mass of grizzily.
Speaker 4: And we ate in Alaskan anymore, being in western Tennessee,
Speaker 4: so it's like, what did that? Over time we end
Speaker 4: up getting seventeen inch footprints and apple was put in
Speaker 4: a little monkey puppet in the gray ring. My feeling was,
Speaker 4: and again this is an emotion, it's not fact necessarily
Speaker 4: because there's so many variations with what wildlife can do.
Speaker 4: But virtually every tone she put an apple up the
Speaker 4: rear end of that mucky puppet sock, it would be
Speaker 4: taken out and placed gently back on the chair, reminiscent
Speaker 4: of the location of Virginia regarding being really fidgety, nice
Speaker 4: and proper. There was never once where there was an
Speaker 4: apple that was all chewed up and made a mess
Speaker 4: up there was apple was taken and the puppet was
Speaker 4: put down. So that kind of led us to thinking, Okay,
Speaker 4: we've got some exchanges. Eventually, Ricky Idlet and I met
Speaker 4: Moneymakers hooked me up with Ricky. Ricky was the American
Speaker 4: Queen head engineer for the Mississippi Queen riverboat. He and
Speaker 4: I are still good friends again. This was in two
Speaker 4: thousand and two that we hooked up together in Tennessee.
Speaker 4: He was living in Owensburg, Kentucky at the time. We
Speaker 4: got over there and met mom and dad. One of
Speaker 4: the first things that happened was I was led to
Speaker 4: the top of the hill overseeing the how the barn
Speaker 4: shed the property. There was this big rock sitting in
Speaker 4: front of the cave that they wanted to show me.
Speaker 4: They pointed to it and said, what do you think.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it, and it's got moss all over it.
Speaker 4: This was apparently brought up the hill from the creek
Speaker 4: bottom and put in front of the cave so it
Speaker 4: could sit on the rock and look down the hill
Speaker 4: and see all the activity going on the house. From
Speaker 4: down there, looking up, you couldn't see it and the
Speaker 4: beauty of that particular position was you've got the cave
Speaker 4: opening and that cave are coming out hitting your back
Speaker 4: as you sit on the rock. So that was an
Speaker 4: interesting point of view that we marveled over. Some experiences
Speaker 4: I had there, including breaking sticks from the ravines. We
Speaker 4: also had one of the dober winzzers with us, and
Speaker 4: we watched and listened to sticks being broken in a
Speaker 4: dry run creek, coming all the way along the creek
Speaker 4: up toward us. Then silence and we just sat and
Speaker 4: talked and then turning around and going back. So we
Speaker 4: felt very observed that particular day. I was trying all
Speaker 4: kinds of interesting ideas at night, hoping to get a visual,
Speaker 4: like taking the vehicle out in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 4: and just sitting with the lights off, maybe fifteen twenty minutes,
Speaker 4: and then turning them on to see if we could
Speaker 4: get activity with no visuals. So I didn't get a
Speaker 4: visual at all, working through all the way up until
Speaker 4: the time I looked up with Sene in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 4: and then in twenty nineteen he invited me into the
Speaker 4: field to work with him and Randy and I drove
Speaker 4: that day across Wisconsin. I had a program that day
Speaker 4: with animals one of the universities. So the time I
Speaker 4: got the creators put away and hopped into the vehicle,
Speaker 4: I didn't get up into the area until pushing two
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning. So by the time we were
Speaker 4: in the field with the tents, it was three o'clock
Speaker 4: in the morning. I had the option to go to sleep,
Speaker 4: But why would you do that. He drove here for
Speaker 4: a reason. It's prime time. It was the first time
Speaker 4: I'd met Randy, and so we're getting to know each
Speaker 4: other a little bit. I'm a half a week but
Speaker 4: very happy, and Randy makes a hit on the peaker
Speaker 4: who's showing up on the thermal eventually at about one
Speaker 4: hundred feet away. And I'm sure you've heard this story
Speaker 4: with Shane, but my side of it was, I don't
Speaker 4: know if it's a good idea to approach it to you,
Speaker 4: because what if we interfere with the behavior we hope
Speaker 4: to get when we go back to camp, because we'd
Speaker 4: like to have him at camp and record vocalizations and
Speaker 4: get interactions and things like that. Shane was like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm doing it, So he just beat it right into it,
Speaker 4: and we helped him get to his location. As he
Speaker 4: got there, he found the little fellow who wasn't so
Speaker 4: necessarily little five feet something tall. He told me, he
Speaker 4: guessed it like one hundred and fifty to your more pounds.
Speaker 4: It was laying in the grass. Now, luckily we have
Speaker 4: a beautiful, wonderful illustration that matches what he saw. And
Speaker 4: the number of the report is two three seven three
Speaker 4: three out of Oklahoma, in what I consider Sabila RWE's
Speaker 4: best illustration. She got this illustration over the phone when
Speaker 4: one of the Bfrorow investigators hooked up with another fella
Speaker 4: and they happened to see a peaker behind a tree.
Speaker 4: His name is Jerry durand I guess Jerry called err
Speaker 4: and said, can you draw now? Then he started to
Speaker 4: describe exactly what he was saying, and then she was
Speaker 4: able to critique him and then refined illustration right down
Speaker 4: to a very wonderful illustration. And that individual was a
Speaker 4: reddish brown individual approximately six feet or less. But he
Speaker 4: was crouched stone behind a three foot rocks, trees, brush,
Speaker 4: things like that. So that was interesting. As far as
Speaker 4: what happened that night, we went back very happy, high fiving.
Speaker 4: I'm like Finally, after all these distant attempts at trying
Speaker 4: to get evidence See evidence Listen for evidence. That night
Speaker 4: we sup well, we got up, Randy checked the vocals
Speaker 4: of the recordings, and by golly, we did get activity.
Speaker 4: They did come in that night and they went through
Speaker 4: all the items on the tables. The reason we knew
Speaker 4: primarily was because there was some slight sounds that suggested it.
Speaker 4: But we got a finger imprint on a handwipe on
Speaker 4: the table, so that was the big evidence. The next
Speaker 4: night we went up the hill looking for the Big Maal,
Speaker 4: who at that time had about a fifteen inch print.
Speaker 4: The prince sizes that we were dealing with at that
Speaker 4: point in time were a couple of ten ten point
Speaker 4: five inch prints, and then we had a twelve inch
Speaker 4: print and six inch print, and then the Dad he
Speaker 4: was fifteen inch and that was in twenty nineteen. Swain
Speaker 4: way after that night we didn't get anything. We came
Speaker 4: back while we were up there, they were in camp Okay,
Speaker 4: so he went through the vocals in the morning. They
Speaker 4: went through all the materials on the table. Didn't hurt anything.
Speaker 4: You'd hear on the table, the medical bag and zip
Speaker 4: zip seventeen eighteen times. They liked the sound of the
Speaker 4: zipper and then you hear the cooler clothes, and so
Speaker 4: that was check. We found that they took six appropriately
Speaker 4: so monster cappuccinos, which we're good. I understand they found
Speaker 4: one can from them. Never found out what they did
Speaker 4: with those cans. For the rest of the duration. I
Speaker 4: did make it a couple more times, just some field work,
Speaker 4: had rocks thrown at me. There's been vocals in the
Speaker 4: distance chains, had an incredible If any of your listeners
Speaker 4: have not listened to any of Shane Carpenter's interviews, they
Speaker 4: really need to do that, because it's an amazing tracker
Speaker 4: and somebody with an incredible amount of experience, persistence and patience.
Speaker 4: And I just want to say I'm very delighted to
Speaker 4: be able to work with him. Along with Randy too,
Speaker 4: was non stop curiosity. So those are some of the
Speaker 4: things that have happened to me, and there's plenty more.
Speaker 4: I got a nice recording Wisconsin at a location that
Speaker 4: I've been studying for over twelve years. We're done with
Speaker 4: that now because the landowners passed away. But I got
Speaker 4: the most beautiful Kyoe pack that came through and I
Speaker 4: recorded it, and I was so very happy. I just
Speaker 4: sat and I shut down. At the time, it wasn't
Speaker 4: digital recording. We'll put it that way because that recorder.
Speaker 4: I just sat there, just sitting in the dark, so
Speaker 4: pleased for what I had that it sneezed behind me,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, wait a minute, oh now. I suggested
Speaker 4: that it was either an animal on the hill. We
Speaker 4: have cougar there, we have coyotes there who we have
Speaker 4: black bear there. Anybody who would have walked in would
Speaker 4: have had to a light. There was no light. I
Speaker 4: turned back to the house to see the senior gal
Speaker 4: that lived there, who lived alone there for thirty five years,
Speaker 4: by the way, and never once had a visual. She
Speaker 4: was sleeping. And so I'm sitting there debating, what's the
Speaker 4: likelihood of it being a kyo? Back took off? Okay,
Speaker 4: can a cat make a sneeze like a person? Probably,
Speaker 4: so it could be a cougar is the person I
Speaker 4: don't believe, So a sasquatch, oh, I hope.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 4: So I sat there for forty five minutes in the
Speaker 4: dark with the recorder going just open and being real quiet,
Speaker 4: hoping that I could maybe get a shift of weight,
Speaker 4: or possibly it might clear its throat, maybe it will cough,
Speaker 4: be a growl, maybe it'll do something. Total silence, just nothing.
Speaker 4: After forty five minutes, I thought, Okay, this is good
Speaker 4: because I still got that ten percent chance. I'm thinking
Speaker 4: just a cat am I going to have one on one.
Speaker 4: But it was fine. I packed up my stuff, I
Speaker 4: threw it in my trunk, and then I drove off
Speaker 4: and I never had another experience like that, but on
Speaker 4: that location. My first Wisconsin caw that I recorded that
Speaker 4: was the greatest was simply one night, sun whould down
Speaker 4: and I'm hanging just generally recording ambiently all the calls
Speaker 4: of the forest. All of a sudden we get a
Speaker 4: dog coyode interaction up on the hill. Okay, so we
Speaker 4: have these canines going at it, and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden we get this but very loud, very deep,
Speaker 4: and very long, and it just goes across the valley
Speaker 4: and the canines were immediately quiet, and I'm pumping my
Speaker 4: fist thinking, of course I never saw the caller, so
Speaker 4: I don't know one hundred percent, but what else does that?
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more sasquatch Outysey we'll be right back.
Speaker 5: After these messages.
Speaker 4: I called Michael Johnson, who was SRI out of Colorado
Speaker 4: right away. He got in, touched on me and said, Daniel, congratulations,
Speaker 4: they do that here or too. And I had another
Speaker 4: fellow that told me that. And again I didn't see
Speaker 4: the caller the soundmaker, but going through all the vocals
Speaker 4: that I can go through intriguing mystery, I did get
Speaker 4: tracks in that area. Eventually, in twenty eighteen, I accidentally
Speaker 4: set myself on fire, So long story, I ended up
Speaker 4: having to have skin grafts in Madison at the Burn
Speaker 4: Center in the seventeen day hospital stay. Finally got out
Speaker 4: of there. I come back and it's a couple of
Speaker 4: days more and I'm back at the private property because
Speaker 4: by this time I've got little projects that I'm trying
Speaker 4: to interact with possible juveniles. And they're moving queens of ruined.
Speaker 4: But they've up statues and they've moved them around. They've
Speaker 4: picked up a big, beautiful vase which is very expensive.
Speaker 4: It's heavy, tables picked up and leaned against the house. Also,
Speaker 4: they would take the eaves off. Okay, when I say they,
Speaker 4: I'm presuming and I shouldn't do that. But whoever's doing this,
Speaker 4: whenever's doing this, is taking the eaves off the house
Speaker 4: and laying them gently underneath the clothesline. And they'll do
Speaker 4: this two, three, four or five times every year, okay,
Speaker 4: in addition to moving all this other stuff. I get
Speaker 4: back there and on the trading block, and i'd been
Speaker 4: getting stones. One fellow who got a gift as a
Speaker 4: stone gave that to me, and I put that out
Speaker 4: and it was gone, and the other stones would be
Speaker 4: brought up from the creek and laying down the rock ledge.
Speaker 4: There were bricks, and I moved one of the bricks.
Speaker 4: It was at seven o'clock. I moved it straight, so
Speaker 4: it was at six o'clock. And I remember coming in
Speaker 4: the next morning and looking and it was now at
Speaker 4: five o'clock. Who does that? So anyway, what's interesting here
Speaker 4: is I come back to the trading block after been
Speaker 4: severely burned. There was a birdock plant laid on the
Speaker 4: trading block. I didn't put it there. The landowner didn't
Speaker 4: put it there, and she was angry because there were
Speaker 4: other things put there. These aren't for my property. How'd
Speaker 4: they get here? What are they here for? Put this
Speaker 4: on your truck? And take it away. I don't want
Speaker 4: this here. That type of thing. She was pushing eighty
Speaker 4: and very aggressive. She was partnertive American and a lot
Speaker 4: of German and Irish, so I got a lot to
Speaker 4: deal with there. But anyway, long story short, here's Burdock
Speaker 4: on the trade block. I pick it up. The root
Speaker 4: has been torn on. I'm like, I don't know that
Speaker 4: much about plants. I'm a petologist in a while life photographer,
Speaker 4: so I'm studying more plants. Yes, I take it back,
Speaker 4: I check it out. The roots are a cancer inhibitor.
Speaker 4: They've been ripped off. Apparently I don't need that, thank you.
Speaker 4: What's the brodocre for topical ailments, especially burns? What's going on?
Speaker 4: Did they smell my leg? Seventeen percent of my leg
Speaker 4: had been burned by the way below the knee. I
Speaker 4: have no explanation on that. All I know is what
Speaker 4: I know. I'm just sharing it because this is one
Speaker 4: fantastic history. Other incidences that I've had happen in other
Speaker 4: states include vocalizations real close. I know most people aren't
Speaker 4: very comfortable about a lot of things ascribed to this
Speaker 4: what I'll refer to as target species complex and the
Speaker 4: reason I say that is because if you look at
Speaker 4: all illustrations of Sabyla's made and Alex Evans, these are
Speaker 4: two women that work for witnesses to describe and draw
Speaker 4: exactly the finite details that we're looking for in the face,
Speaker 4: in the body, genitalia, et cetera, across the board. What's
Speaker 4: interesting is we have some out in Washington that look
Speaker 4: very manlike and promote very manlike footprints. We have some
Speaker 4: A good example is one that Sibylla did an illustration
Speaker 4: of Illinois. It is number three seven eight five six
Speaker 4: with that be. A Firro report has an illustration of
Speaker 4: what appears to be a gorilla with the upturned nose,
Speaker 4: no hood on the nose, very gorilla looking. It makes
Speaker 4: you wonder, how can this be related to some of
Speaker 4: the phenotypes described and written about in Washington State and
Speaker 4: other states.
Speaker 5: And then we have others.
Speaker 4: Now, if you work with Fred and Alaska in the
Speaker 4: Alaska Aggression has talked about frequently. I studied those reports.
Speaker 4: There's two hundred and seventy five of them minimum, and
Speaker 4: I studied them for six months, and the biggest question
Speaker 4: I had was how come more vehicles weren't destroyed. There words,
Speaker 4: there were like three snowmobiles torn up, twisted thrown into snowbanks.
Speaker 4: That's it. A couple of skiffs hit by rocks but
Speaker 4: not damaged, one sled thrown, and then the vehicles not
Speaker 4: even broken glass. And then how about the other snowmobiles.
Speaker 4: There were a couple where the rubber treads were like
Speaker 4: twisted off, which could be put back on. So it
Speaker 4: seemed very evident to me that these guys wanted us
Speaker 4: out of the area, and they were very aggressive in
Speaker 4: escorting us out of the area. But then regarding all
Speaker 4: the people that shoot at them, no wonder they might
Speaker 4: be a gy or more aggressive than typical. The general
Speaker 4: description of the lasting ones seems to be heaplike with
Speaker 4: Neanderthal faces, So I'll go with the caveman look on
Speaker 4: the third prenotype, and certainly there's many more, and we
Speaker 4: have people talking about dog men upright, ten nines and
Speaker 4: all that good stuff. If you look at chimpanzees and
Speaker 4: ring tanks, you can notice the profiles are not always
Speaker 4: perfectly flat. You'll get a prognathic face. If that's the case,
Speaker 4: I would presume that with the individual variation we get
Speaker 4: in sasquatches, we here in color, body size than age
Speaker 4: and sex, and then completely different body structure. Why couldn't
Speaker 4: we have processive genetics making a placement of an ear
Speaker 4: a little different, or shape of an ear a little different,
Speaker 4: or the profile a little different. And of course, in
Speaker 4: the distance, a lot of these reports are quite far away.
Speaker 4: There's a fear factor. You've got low light, often fog,
Speaker 4: which is a good time of day to go look.
Speaker 4: In addition to that, these guys are often lighting in
Speaker 4: the shadows and you don't get a long time. I
Speaker 4: finally got a diurnal observation. I was asked to speak
Speaker 4: in Alabama in June this year. I did that. I
Speaker 4: met some wonderful people, and then I went through some
Speaker 4: landowners to visit them. One in Tennessee and the next
Speaker 4: day up in Indiana. Friends of mine, a mother daughter
Speaker 4: team lo and behold that first night that I was
Speaker 4: up there, we just completed supper. I've got a written
Speaker 4: down exactly. I forgot the exact time, but it was
Speaker 4: like seven thirty seven or something like that was before
Speaker 4: the sun went down, and I'm sitting there. I'd met everybody,
Speaker 4: and the dad went out back on to the property
Speaker 4: and I'm sitting there and I'm looking out a window
Speaker 4: with blinds, and there's segments of the blind on the window.
Speaker 4: There's ten spaces. I see the father walk by, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's odd because it's like a universal retish brown.
Speaker 4: I didn't recall him wearing that. And then I got
Speaker 4: to thinking, this is ultra weird because it's got that
Speaker 4: standard smooth mobility or locomotion. I can see her from
Speaker 4: the hips up. It didn't have her ound head short hair,
Speaker 4: and I realized, what I think i'm seeing, what I'm
Speaker 4: open I want to see, is it walked across the
Speaker 4: window at least sixty feet out. I noticed there were
Speaker 4: some white flowers, white flowering dogwood tree there, and so
Speaker 4: I sent the gal out. I said, would you mind
Speaker 4: walking the path of what I believe? I just thought
Speaker 4: I saw your husband. And one minute thirty eight seconds
Speaker 4: after I had my sighting, he came in. I did time.
Speaker 4: It was wearing a green shirt, and I said, how
Speaker 4: many other people he got out here? Yes, there's anybody here, Okay.
Speaker 4: So I sent his wife out along the path, and
Speaker 4: then I sat in the chair at the same angle,
Speaker 4: looked out the window. Nothing can't see her, So I said,
Speaker 4: would you sit in the chair, I'll go out along there.
Speaker 4: I'm five seven shoes five to one. I just want
Speaker 4: to see if that would make a difference. She could
Speaker 4: see the top of my cap barely. Then as I
Speaker 4: walked the path, I walked over to the flowers and
Speaker 4: they were well over seven feet off the ground. And
Speaker 4: this was two more acre and smaller than that. So
Speaker 4: at first I thought he was probably seven, but was
Speaker 4: the height of the flowers and had to be eight.
Speaker 4: And so that's the only one in all my years
Speaker 4: of I'm the guy that walks the middle of the
Speaker 4: path at night alone, whishering, hoping, wanting, waiting. I want
Speaker 4: to have to change pants. I don't get aggression. Part
Speaker 4: of it's my philosophy. Maybe, or maybe I'm just lucky.
Speaker 4: I have no idea. Maybe I'm just stupid. I have
Speaker 4: no idea, but anyway, it's the philosophy is you're curious
Speaker 4: and you're interesting, and you're not a threat. Maybe that'll
Speaker 4: increase the chances that you get to take a peek
Speaker 4: at something. How many I've probably seen were looked at
Speaker 4: that were hiding that I couldn't see who knows, but
Speaker 4: who've got the tracks over to up to four hundred
Speaker 4: In Wisconsin, I could not find tracks. But finally one
Speaker 4: day I got lucky. In Iowa County. We had a
Speaker 4: nature under there. We'd had vocalizations that were very suspect.
Speaker 4: We had a cougar kill a doe there. Of course,
Speaker 4: we checked the DNA to let them know, and we're
Speaker 4: promptly told it was a bobcat quod talking about it.
Speaker 4: Don't even call us anymore. Okay, so they can't handle
Speaker 4: the cougar, how the hell are they going to itle
Speaker 4: an ape man. So the next thing that happens is
Speaker 4: we get a call at midnight from a guy who
Speaker 4: claims he sees something standing by a tree. We were
Speaker 4: both busy and tied up and couldn't get there until
Speaker 4: the next day. So at four o'clock in the afternoon,
Speaker 4: I've got this guy standing where he saw this individual,
Speaker 4: or at least he claimed he did. And I asked
Speaker 4: him how far out or the bath that it warn't
Speaker 4: and he told me about forty yards. So I counted
Speaker 4: off forty yards one hundred and twenty feet, and interestingly enough,
Speaker 4: if I didn't run into thirteen inch foot prints that
Speaker 4: were approximately five feet apart, just a little bit less
Speaker 4: than that beautiful laid out pattern, one foot after another
Speaker 4: in a straight line. So it was the standard Sasquatch track,
Speaker 4: and so I was just ecstatic. And then I asked you.
Speaker 4: I said, okay, because these guys were these prints were
Speaker 4: thirteen inches by six point five inches wide, which happens
Speaker 4: to be a perfect two to one. And I asked him,
Speaker 4: how tall do you think this was? And he says,
Speaker 4: I measured the tree where you're standing by. He said,
Speaker 4: I got six feet seven, which is really interesting because
Speaker 4: that would be six point five which doubled thirteen inches.
Speaker 4: Some people promote that particular little formula for guessing how
Speaker 4: tall they are, and of course there's so much individual variation.
Speaker 4: Do they stand perfectly straight? Most of them seem to
Speaker 4: have bent knees and stoop quite often. So those are
Speaker 4: some of the things that have happened to me. When
Speaker 4: I was in Georgia, I was with Keith Burden. I
Speaker 4: had the top of my Yukon slammed two o'clock in
Speaker 4: the morning, which made me very happy because I'm talking
Speaker 4: to the woods at this point. Guys, if you just
Speaker 4: want to look in the window. That'd be great. It's
Speaker 4: so cay, just give me a look. I laid awake
Speaker 4: all night after that. Nothing. I didn't get a thing.
Speaker 4: But I did have a branch over the top of
Speaker 4: my windshield. I don't have any explanation for that. Then
Speaker 4: there were two leaves put on top of my cooler,
Speaker 4: which I did leave out for them. And I was
Speaker 4: the only one in camp that night. I was alone.
Speaker 4: We just had a cougar sighting, and so I thought,
Speaker 4: do I just sleep on the ground or I thought, nah,
Speaker 4: let's be safe. I didn't take the uku, so I'd
Speaker 4: take it out. But anyway, I didn't get the big
Speaker 4: slam on the yukon, which was really great. But there
Speaker 4: were two leaves on the cooler which were fine. One
Speaker 4: species of oak that I saw plenty of trees that
Speaker 4: had that leaf in. Another leaf that I could not
Speaker 4: find a tree where that came from, and it wasn't windy.
Speaker 4: So I don't have any explanation for that either, except
Speaker 4: that was something that happened. Was curious. I've had vocalizations
Speaker 4: pretty close. My best one just happened two months ago.
Speaker 4: I literally asked, if you're here, could you let me know,
Speaker 4: and within one to two minutes I got the most
Speaker 4: beautiful vocalizations that I've ever heard. I have heard hundreds
Speaker 4: of them on recordings. It sounded female. I have no idea.
Speaker 4: It's all questionable. But where we were at was a
Speaker 4: well known site I was with other BFFI people in
Speaker 4: the past.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 4: We had a group of fifteen people. Half of them
Speaker 4: were north of us at the time. It was tennel
Speaker 4: five when this happened, and they were two and a
Speaker 4: half miles worth of us, so they couldn't hear us.
Speaker 4: The other group was two miles Soultamus. We had three
Speaker 4: other people in camp and they were on the edge
Speaker 4: of the woods, and where we're at was a quarter
Speaker 4: mile long meadow tenth of a mile wide. That basically
Speaker 4: was where I got the call from that only got one.
Speaker 4: The stupid part of this was had I had my
Speaker 4: wits about me, I should have said, why that was awesome?
Speaker 4: Can you do it again. I've had people claim to
Speaker 4: me as they've gotten responses that I got a response
Speaker 4: when I asked, That's first time that's ever happened. My
Speaker 4: sister claims this from time to talk, which is interesting.
Speaker 3: I want to take you back to the four hundred
Speaker 3: and ask you about a couple of things that have
Speaker 3: stuck out to me over the years. I met Shane
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago out at the Yozark Mountain
Speaker 3: Bigfoot Conference. Hands down, Shane is one of my favorite
Speaker 3: people in the Bigfoot community.
Speaker 4: It should be.
Speaker 3: He is definitely one of the best researchers that I
Speaker 3: have personally ever had the opportunity to have conversations with.
Speaker 3: So a couple of things I want to talk to
Speaker 3: you about that have stuck out to me. I believe
Speaker 3: it was my show when I had Shane on, was
Speaker 3: the first time he ever publicly talked about finding these
Speaker 3: holes with the sticks in them in the four hundred,
Speaker 3: and subsequently he went to another researchers area who was
Speaker 3: also a tracker, who was finding these similar holes after
Speaker 3: the reins, sometimes with the sticks still stuck in this hole.
Speaker 3: I want to talk a little bit about that, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to get your opinion on the footprints that
Speaker 3: he has found over the years at the four hundred.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, he's been able to categorize a progression
Speaker 3: of the same individuals over multiple years. And one of
Speaker 3: the things that stuck out to me about what Shane
Speaker 3: has found out there, particularly with the tracks, has been
Speaker 3: what looks like an.
Speaker 4: Arch, longitudinal and medial.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that has been a bone of contention in
Speaker 3: this community for a long time. The late great doctor
Speaker 3: Jeff Meldrum has always been on the side of this
Speaker 3: mid tarsal break. There is no arch when it comes
Speaker 3: to bigfoot. These are then categorized as a person's footprint
Speaker 3: versus a sasquatch. I'm not so sure I'm sold on
Speaker 3: that anymore, having seeing what Shane has collected, and having
Speaker 3: had these conversations with Shane, so I'll stop blabbering on
Speaker 3: and just ask you those two questions. Give me your
Speaker 3: thoughts on the holes that he's found with the sticks,
Speaker 3: what that means or what it could mean, obviously this
Speaker 3: is all subjective. And then what you think about the
Speaker 3: footprint evidence that Shane has been able to collect over
Speaker 3: the last handful of years out at the four hundred.
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 6: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Glad to elaborate. Okay, first of all, on the holes,
Speaker 4: I was on the Oklahoma trip as well when several
Speaker 4: more were phoned with the other tracker, and so there
Speaker 4: was a lot of excitement that particular day as far
Speaker 4: as what's going on there. Initially I thought I was
Speaker 4: pretty convinced it was associated with grubs and insects and
Speaker 4: things of that nature, and that maybe you could have
Speaker 4: that happened from time to But it may well just
Speaker 4: be that now the ground is soft enough to mess
Speaker 4: with and you've got a board juvenile, he's grabbing an
Speaker 4: implement and just doing things. But the idea that this
Speaker 4: has been showing up in more than one place. Plus,
Speaker 4: Marie Dumont is a good friend of mine in Florida
Speaker 4: with her Mid Florida Research Group, and she has found
Speaker 4: similar as well. She's got at least one down there
Speaker 4: like that. I'm sure other people are too. It is
Speaker 4: an interesting phenomenon, especially associated with small prints, say seven
Speaker 4: eight inches and prints. And I think I've found recently
Speaker 4: another BFI report that suggested something along the cords with
Speaker 4: small prints. Now, the first I'd ever heard of something
Speaker 4: like this was with Stan Courtney's reviews when he was
Speaker 4: in Colorado and he found a place where he fought
Speaker 4: I believe I've gotten small juveniles and asquatch print here
Speaker 4: and there's a stick, and it's using the stick to
Speaker 4: design or make marks in the ground. And so that's
Speaker 4: the first I heard of. So when Shane came up
Speaker 4: with it, I was extremely interested. Well, I'm sure we'll
Speaker 4: be looking and talking to many more people to continue
Speaker 4: to elaborate on that and see where it goes. I
Speaker 4: have had some reports and personal communications with people where
Speaker 4: they've found ant hills and found sticks stuck into the
Speaker 4: end sasquatch tracks or allegedly sasquatch tracks with those. Now,
Speaker 4: as far as the small tracks the sasquatch tracks in general,
Speaker 4: there seems to be a major difference between them as
Speaker 4: they grow. There's a lot of individual variation, and that
Speaker 4: takes me right back to what Sybylla has described. I
Speaker 4: talked to Barb shoe p As the researcher out in Washington.
Speaker 4: She shared with me the first illustration of a sasquatch
Speaker 4: that she'd ever saw. The first one she told me
Speaker 4: was how did this gorilla get out of a zoo?
Speaker 4: This big gorilla looking male sasquatch. Now, there have been
Speaker 4: others who I've got a friend with legacy discoveries. She's
Speaker 4: a Native American Angelique Benham, she had seen a large
Speaker 4: male who she thought was a person. She was in
Speaker 4: a kayak Billa Drew Thiss illustration as well. By the way,
Speaker 4: Azualiq was in the kayak and came by very close
Speaker 4: to this person who stood up and walked into the
Speaker 4: forest and was covered with air, but he had the
Speaker 4: proportions of a person. She was shocked out of her mind.
Speaker 4: There are other reports like that, So how different is
Speaker 4: that from the gorilla Prince. Now getting back to Shane's
Speaker 4: situation with the Ozarks, I studied a lot of Meldrum's work.
Speaker 4: I'd been trying to get familiar with it. I was
Speaker 4: actually eventually going to be invited to the lab. Ready
Speaker 4: got there first and did a very wonderful documentation. And
Speaker 4: now I understand it's going to Keith Brachmann. But what
Speaker 4: was interesting was one of the comments that Jeff made
Speaker 4: privately to Stan Courtney. And the only reason I'm bringing
Speaker 4: it up here is simply because it's a simplistic thing.
Speaker 4: It's honest, and Jeff said to Stan, it is extremely
Speaker 4: difficult to determine juvenile sasquatch prints from human prince. I
Speaker 4: think coming from him, that's an amazing statement, and that
Speaker 4: jives right back to where we get our different arches
Speaker 4: out of the work that doctor Mortley's doing and other
Speaker 4: people that are starting to show an interest in some
Speaker 4: of the differences. I am extremely interested in an individual
Speaker 4: variation of the target species complex, which is what I
Speaker 4: call sasquatches and people, because I want to know the
Speaker 4: average person versus the extremes. How extreme can our feet be. Obviously,
Speaker 4: the hillbilly dude who's running around barefoot his entire life
Speaker 4: was going to have a different type of foot than
Speaker 4: a similar size fellow here has obviously been cramping his
Speaker 4: foot into shoes. There's flexibility situations. I have read online
Speaker 4: that there's a certain tiny percentage of people that supposedly
Speaker 4: have anatomy. This would be associated with sasquatches. But I
Speaker 4: think that again comes down to the individual variations of
Speaker 4: the feet. But the light this shines on for us
Speaker 4: is think of how many juvenile sasquatch prints are out there.
Speaker 4: They get completely ignored because uh, those are human. Don't
Speaker 4: waste your time when all we have to be doing
Speaker 4: is noting where they are, how far from a road,
Speaker 4: how far from a path? The size? Also, when was
Speaker 4: it made somewhere between eleven o'clock at night and four
Speaker 4: in the morning. How about the temperatures thirty two degrees
Speaker 4: twenty seven degrees. You're not going to have third grade
Speaker 4: kids out in the middle of a swamp of the
Speaker 4: roads punching those tracks. But yet it's amazing how many
Speaker 4: people with their pants and say those are human. Don't
Speaker 4: waste your time. I waste my time because I want
Speaker 4: to learn more, and I don't care if it's human
Speaker 4: or sasquatch. I want to learn more about those particular
Speaker 4: prints because we have a known source of information that's verified.
Speaker 4: That's our prince. If we know extremes with them and
Speaker 4: the details, now we can apply that to questionable prints
Speaker 4: and maybe catch another angle or another idea of investigation
Speaker 4: that'll help further our know it.
Speaker 3: That is one of the many reasons that I love
Speaker 3: these conversations with.
Speaker 2: You, Dan.
Speaker 5: I love the way your brain works.
Speaker 3: You never rest in twenty four to seven. I'll be honest,
Speaker 3: Yes it is twenty four to seven, and I love it. Man,
Speaker 3: So thank you so much for taking the time to
Speaker 3: come on here, share a little bit of your knowledge
Speaker 3: and certainly sharing your experiences.
Speaker 5: I've had a blast talking to you as always.
Speaker 4: Can I promo a couple things?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I was going to get there.
Speaker 4: Okay, good wild Man Literature Group. I put that together
Speaker 4: to put all the authors in and all the books.
Speaker 4: Most of us are in there. I haven't got my
Speaker 4: book out yet, but I promised Melder might do it.
Speaker 4: I'm planning on it. And then to the next point
Speaker 4: I'd like to make is I'm working on white reports,
Speaker 4: real interesting in white reports, and that's called the White
Speaker 4: Biped Project. Both of these are on Facebook. I've got
Speaker 4: another one called Art and Data Sasquatch Witnesses, so people
Speaker 4: that have had experiences can go in there eventually, Sibylla myself.
Speaker 4: I'm also biological illustrator, so somebody else can jump in there.
Speaker 4: We can try to bring to life what they saw.
Speaker 4: I've got one more interesting report. There's one in particular,
Speaker 4: and that's real interesting. It was a log hunter from
Speaker 4: Texas Sabinan River. It's eighty five forty. If people get
Speaker 4: a chance to look at that, please do because as
Speaker 4: we're talking about footprints, quite often there are places where
Speaker 4: we just can't find footprints. In this case, a hog
Speaker 4: hunter was twenty five feet up in the air. He
Speaker 4: had a seven to eight foot stout female clunting hawks
Speaker 4: and she closed to thirty feet as a biped of
Speaker 4: what she hit. That final tree, she went to all
Speaker 4: fours and she did thirty yards fifteen yards a leap,
Speaker 4: two leaps, grabbed one hundred to one hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: five pound hog, grabbed it, flipped it up in the air,
Speaker 4: slammed it into a tree fist, punched it several times,
Speaker 4: and dropped it. Then she went turned and looked the
Speaker 4: guy who had his scope on her directly the face,
Speaker 4: and then she looked quizzically at him, picked up her pig,
Speaker 4: did a couple of whoops, got it, return answered whoops,
Speaker 4: and off she went. I'm hoping to talk with that
Speaker 4: particular individual so I can illustrate her. I wanted to
Speaker 4: lay that one. A lot of these leaps, they seem
Speaker 4: to be going off the base of a tree, like
Speaker 4: into the root system. That's going to obstruct the footprints.
Speaker 3: That is the perfect way to end that. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much for that. I can't wait to have you
Speaker 3: back in the future, man, because there's so much stuff
Speaker 3: that we could get into one fast hour.
Speaker 4: Man.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to be.
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