WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.960 Now one of your pudding. I got a string going 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:06.080 on here something just because my dog. Something killed your dog. 3 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:08.919 My dog. We're flying through the or over the tree. 4 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.599 I don't know how it did it, Okay, damn, I'm 5 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:16.079 really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over 6 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:17.760 the fence and he was dead. And once you hit 7 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:19.640 the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I 8 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:38.399 saw was my dog coming over the fence. What are 9 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:43.240 you putting? We got some wonder or something prowling around 10 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:51.880 out here. Did you see what it was? 11 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:51.920 Was? 12 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.200 It was standing up. I'm out here looking through the 13 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.039 window now and I don't see anything. I don't want 14 00:00:56.039 --> 00:01:03.960 to go outside. Jesus quice you better Hello, hit the 15 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.400 boddy out here? What quin? I'm out there? I thought 16 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:08.920 of a bit of about tick fort nine. I don't know. 17 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:11.200 Easy annount there, Yeah, I'm walking right. 18 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:13.920 Hey, our folks on, welcome my guest to the show. 19 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:17.719 It is Dan Nedrolo from a Wisconsin Welcome. 20 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.920 To the show, sir, Hello, glad to be here. 21 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:21.920 I ain't glad to have you. This has been a 22 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:24.359 long time coming. You and I met a couple of 23 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:27.280 years ago out at the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference. 24 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:28.319 And camp out. 25 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:32.319 We got to hang out there, share some conversation, and 26 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.359 we've been trying forever to get you on the show. 27 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.680 So I'm stoked to have you here. So let's jump 28 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:39.280 right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What 29 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.920 in the world got you interested in the subject of 30 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:43.040 bigfoot sasquatch? 31 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:43.719 To begin with? 32 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.120 All right, it's an easy story. I was a CID 33 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:52.159 doing dinosaurs stuff. Was disappointed there wasn't much for dinosaurs 34 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:56.959 except possibly the well Kenby over in Africa via Adam Davis. 35 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.000 She spent some time on the We've had memoasist from 36 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.079 University of Wisconsin actually investigating as well. Long story short, 37 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:09.240 no dinosaurs reptiles. So I became a repetologist in third 38 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:14.000 grade and dove into that hard. I wanted to travel 39 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:18.560 as fast and as furious as I could, simply because 40 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.280 I lost my father at age five the same month 41 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:25.240 my grandfather, my mother's father passed away. Then my sister 42 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:27.840 was born, and so I knew right away there ain't 43 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.360 no guarantee. Man, you gotta do it fast. So that 44 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.879 was my motto, travel as hard and as furious as 45 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:37.599 I could. And I'm thinking that when I'm five six 46 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.639 seven years old. So by the time I hit third grade, 47 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.840 I'm reading every book I can and decided, if I 48 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:47.599 do half as much as I want, I got to 49 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:49.960 record this shit. So that means I need to be 50 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.560 a well at photographer, and so I decided to focus 51 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:55.560 on that as tight as I could. And I'm well 52 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:58.080 published in that by the way. Third fourth grade fifth 53 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.159 grade I got my first Little Browns Snake called for 54 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.039 Carter's Sake. But I had an interesting, unusual teacher in 55 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:08.759 fifth grade. Her name was Missus Webber, and she's somewhere 56 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:13.360 in there mentioned the word abominable snowman, and I was 57 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:17.159 a big fan of wal wildlife, especially big primates, mountain 58 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:21.319 bowl and gorillas and arrangings, et cetera. Shocked me. So 59 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.680 I immediately grabbed a cyclopedia and found Yeti's shipped in 60 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:30.360 up in Nepaul and started absorbing some of that, and 61 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:33.280 then realized that there were other places around the world 62 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.560 claimed giant ape man. One thing led to another, and 63 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.319 all of a sudden, I hit Ivan T. Sanderson's book 64 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:43.240 Abuminable Suman Legion Come to Life. I eventually picked that 65 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.439 book up. I've got it now after twenty years. The 66 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.520 library let it go, and I was able to pick 67 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:50.479 up the one that I checked out so much when 68 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.759 I was in elementary, middle of high school. Sixty seven 69 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.199 was the year I was at fifth grade. What was 70 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.960 really strange that winter I was over a buddy mine's 71 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.080 place and his results whatever it was it was doing. 72 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:04.719 But what was interesting was when he came in and 73 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:09.159 it was cooled, he slapped the local Lacross Trimmune newspaper 74 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:12.400 down on the floor and on the front cover was 75 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:17.360 the Patty Visual. I grabbed that and stared at it 76 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:21.800 and thought, you've got to be kidding me. And then 77 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:25.160 my first reaction was some adults think this is real, 78 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.000 And I don't know why exactly, but I want to 79 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:30.639 find out why. And this is again. In fifth grade, 80 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.519 I started reading everything I could find, and that went 81 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:36.279 all the way through middle school high school. I did 82 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.639 have an experience when I was fourteen at a church camp, 83 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:42.959 and we didn't get to see the call make but 84 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.319 it hissed as loud as any animal I've ever heard 85 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:51.439 make noise, And it was so loud and so deep 86 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:55.160 and so consistent, and it was something splashing around on 87 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.680 the edge of a lake in northern Wisconsin and it 88 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.199 would not come out, and we had a dozen of 89 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.600 us or more with flashlights trained on it. It would 90 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:08.240 not come out. But it's like a genus pituophus pull snake. 91 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:10.920 But it was so loud it was unbelievable, So it 92 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.279 was obviously mammal. I went on to W. Stevens Point 93 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:20.199 major in biology, specifically well of biology to understand what 94 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:23.399 I was dealing with there. I didn't find out until 95 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.800 I was in my forties for verification. And I say 96 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.160 that because the folks that I've been working with had 97 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:32.720 similar recordings and actually got a visual of two sasquatches 98 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.120 successfully knock a raccoon out of the tree. I couldn't 99 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:40.920 find an adult in college that would talk seriously with 100 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.240 me on the subject, so I kept it inside for 101 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.600 the most part, because credibility is significant, and I made 102 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.199 the mistake of letting my credibility be judged by some 103 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:53.319 of the wrong people. And financially it's a setback because 104 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:56.720 part of my income was speaking, buying a microphone for 105 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.720 forty years, doing environmental education, throwing alligators and snakes and 106 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.319 tina pythons on tables and all on the maroon to 107 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.399 let the kids handle the giant pythons. If all of 108 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:10.680 a sudden they don't make it worth your time, obviously 109 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.360 you don't do that. Nothing happened to me in my twenties, 110 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.959 thirties or forties. For the most part, I was always 111 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.000 looking and watching and listening. I had maybe some suspect vocals, 112 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.879 but I didn't know exactly whether there was anything to 113 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.879 it or not. But we did have a nineteen seventy 114 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.279 five report that showed up in John Green's book. When 115 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.360 it was in my twenties, studied that for the next 116 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:40.800 twenty years as hard as I could, trying to look 117 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:46.600 at behavioral patterns, physical characteristics, things that would offer clues 118 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:51.160 on what they were doing. So started Sanderson's book, I 119 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:55.759 could see repeat behavioral patterns that just iced it for me. 120 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.680 I just knew that if these people are making this 121 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:02.279 up independently, with the lack of correspondence that they have, 122 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.360 that is a mystery in itself. So I felt very 123 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.759 comfortable that these things were very real. But again, with 124 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:12.639 all the work I did on the river bluffs open 125 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:17.040 down in Mississippi, in Wisconsin rivers, I never saw tracks, 126 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:21.360 I never heard vocals. I'd have unusual experiences sometimes because 127 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.959 it seemed like I was being watched. Who knows that 128 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:25.879 could have been anything from a black bear to a 129 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:29.519 cougar or whatever. I ended up. In two thousand, my 130 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.720 mother passed away. My sister made a bet with me. 131 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:36.560 She said, simply, I bet you do not orchestrate a 132 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:41.279 network of research with other investigators on the subject. I 133 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:43.000 bet you won't do that. Plus I bet you won't 134 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.319 become computer capable. Can't let your little sister want a bet. 135 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.040 So I dove into this as hard as I could. 136 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:51.360 By this time, I was picking up things on the 137 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.160 computer with my cousin's computer or again vocals. It was 138 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:58.160 starting to get real and interesting as I discovered more 139 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.879 people making more claims. I found a fellow out of 140 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:04.800 Wisconsin who kept coming up with reports and I started 141 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.160 writing to it, one of the first things you did. 142 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.879 After a couple of weeks, it was just a barrage 143 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:14.480 with questions. He finally asked, so, who the hell are you? 144 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.199 I told him, and he said, why are you so 145 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.199 interested in this? And I told him and he asked 146 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:23.680 for a resume, And within the week I was in 147 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:28.680 the BFRORO with the password, working with numerous people that 148 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.680 had written the books that I was excited about in 149 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:33.879 the first place that was only agree in et cetera, 150 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.200 so that was quite wonderful. I started in two thousand. 151 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.639 I stayed in there until two thousand and four, after 152 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.600 I gain significant weight by typing one from thirty five 153 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:44.799 works and to one hundred and four. And I couldn't 154 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:46.840 off the telephone because there were so many damn wonderful 155 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.440 weeds all over the country. And Matt was great with 156 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:51.799 me because he simply said, hey, I don't care what 157 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:53.879 you do, as long as you don't piss aybody else off. 158 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:55.799 I managed to do that a little bit because of 159 00:08:55.799 --> 00:09:01.159 my enthusiasm and being relentless on this subject in suing information. 160 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:04.559 Eventually I decided it was probably best for everybody, but 161 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:06.639 I just backed off, which I did in two thousand 162 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:09.840 and four. By that time, i'd had over four other interviews. 163 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:13.320 I had been in as many as twenty six different 164 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.720 states getting close to the leads that I wanted to have, 165 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:20.519 but I didn't have a visual. I still didn't have 166 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.080 an awesome vocal. We had distant stuff that Matt and 167 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.879 Bobo thought, oh yeah, that's them, all that type of stuff, 168 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.879 but there wasn't anything that really registered as in my face, 169 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.840 which is what I was looking for. My grandmother passed away, 170 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:36.080 suing domestic things took over, so I let this go 171 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:38.679 for four or five years. But then in a wight, 172 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:40.759 I'd hooked up with a gall in Georgia and she 173 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.799 had activity under her house and around her house. I 174 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:48.919 informed John Bendernagel about it, and we started coming up 175 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:51.600 with some ideas on what could be done. I ended 176 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:55.320 up driving down to Georgia and seeing my first footprints, 177 00:09:55.519 --> 00:10:00.440 finally getting vocalizations recorded, beyind things of that nature study 178 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:06.120 the univisual. From there, I started creating groups, reconnecting with people. 179 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.000 That was about two thousand and eight, and I know 180 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.799 here we are twenty twenty five and I've got a 181 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:13.480 pre damn good network. 182 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.080 No, that's quite the introduction. 183 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:19.279 Before we move on, I've got to take you back 184 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.720 to Georgia and talk a little bit about the case 185 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:25.279 that you just mentioned so casually about this lady who's 186 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:29.639 having experiences in and around her house and under her 187 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:33.039 porch where you got to see these flipprints. Can you 188 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.159 talk a little bit about what kind of experiences she 189 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:37.720 was having and what you found when you got there. 190 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:40.200 I'd be glad to. By the way, I just want 191 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.159 to let you know that I had worked in contract 192 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:44.440 with the state. I am a retired and our biologist. 193 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:46.960 I was spend alighted way to unpublishing photographs. So I 194 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.600 was busy all the time. There was forty hour work week. 195 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:53.120 There was the governmental assessment jobs to do surveys. Then 196 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.360 I had speaking engage once. I was working with editors 197 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:00.159 with different books and magazines and zoos and calendars and 198 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:03.200 that type of thing. Okay, So now going over to 199 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.679 her place south of Atlanta, about halfway down the state. 200 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:12.039 The first thing that happened was we got our first 201 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:15.840 footprints and we ended up putting up a CD on 202 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:21.279 a wire seven feet off the ground, hoping that maybe 203 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:26.440 this could get us some fingerprints or some activity with 204 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.600 prints or possibly a potential visual. One of the first 205 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.519 things that happened was raccoons were starting to climb up 206 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:39.440 on the thing, but they weren't really negotiating the wire. 207 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.480 But what got interesting was a CD was taken off 208 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:48.360 and put in the basket. Now crows could do that, theoretically, 209 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:51.600 raccoons could do that. So we're just looking at that 210 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:54.559 as an anomaly. And is that something we're interested in? 211 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:59.360 Over time, she started getting footprints. We got fourteen inch prints, 212 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.759 we got twelve inch prints. We got a bigger print 213 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:09.799 between seventeen and eighteen. Okay, now we presumed that we 214 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:15.559 had one mail there and about seventeen inches, which that's 215 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:20.399 pretty good sized, fella. But we got a different situation 216 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:24.440 A couple years after. We're still doing this. A couple 217 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.840 years after I got to call. At two o'clock in 218 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.799 the morning, she called me and she said, I am 219 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:34.519 really mad at you, and I'm like, oh boy, what 220 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.679 I do now? Her response was, you didn't tell me 221 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:42.639 that they can light their eyes up? How come you 222 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.639 didn't tell me? And I said, you want to explain 223 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:50.120 this please. She was really angry. She went on to say, 224 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:53.879 you said we thought we had one big mail punctioning 225 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:57.440 eighteen inch seventeen inch prints. There were three of. 226 00:12:57.399 --> 00:12:58.440 Them my window. 227 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.679 Now I wasn't there, so I can't verify this happened. 228 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:03.559 But this is what she told me to the four 229 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:06.159 than two o'clock in the morning. We have them outside 230 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.919 the window and one of them in back. His eyes 231 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.360 were lightened up. Why the hell didn't you tell me 232 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:15.559 about this? Of course, at that point in time, I 233 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.759 wasn't necessarily sure about it. I didn't quite know what 234 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:21.519 to do with the situation, being it was the first 235 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.559 type of stress situation I'd had like that. So the 236 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.080 only thing I think I was I told her I 237 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.279 didn't think you were ready for that kind of information, 238 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.559 and I apologized. Luckily it worked. That cooled her down 239 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:36.320 that particular night. Now, that was the only time that 240 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:39.679 I know of that she had that particular experience. I 241 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:42.679 have not had it myself yet. That's one of the 242 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.960 more interesting things. I did sound a parabolic mic to 243 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:49.600 her at one point, and when she got it, she 244 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:51.679 called me. She said, what do you want me to 245 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:53.080 do now? And I said, why don't you just take 246 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:55.159 it out on the porch, because I know they stepped 247 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.000 up on the porch from time to time. If any 248 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:00.279 of them are around, maybe they'll look at it. Maybe 249 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.039 that would be interesting because I know when she cast 250 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:07.200 a prince, they seem to'd be making vocalizations from the distance. 251 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.240 Watching as she did that, I'm thinking, Okay, let's just 252 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.759 see what happens. So she goes out, sets it on 253 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:16.759 the table, opens the box. It's about an et and 254 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.919 inch dish. She didn't put it together so much, has 255 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.480 just left it out there. We talked fifteen minutes. This 256 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.279 ain't probably the most remarkable thing that happened. While I 257 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:29.639 was on the phone with her. She goes, oh, my gosh, 258 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:34.159 somebody's here, presumably one of them. I'm like, okay, and 259 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:35.679 she goes like, don't you want me to go out, 260 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:37.919 because don't you afraid it's going to take the equipment 261 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:39.519 or wreck it. I'm like, no, I don't think so. 262 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:42.440 I think it's too new, So let's see what happens. 263 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.120 It isn't too long fifteen minutes or so, I go, okay, 264 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.320 why don't you go over the door and kind of 265 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.919 announce your presence so they know you're coming. So then 266 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:52.840 we can just check on the equipment and see if 267 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:53.919 they moved anything. 268 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:57.440 Rude and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. 269 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:58.360 We'll be right back. 270 00:14:58.399 --> 00:14:59.559 After these messages. 271 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.600 She went out the microphone which was connected to a 272 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.840 cord and that was hanging. It was just swinging on 273 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.240 the edge of the table. But the beauty of it 274 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.080 was she had a tarp at the base of the 275 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:19.960 steps in one of the females about a thirteen and 276 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:23.600 seventy eighth inch print had stepped in the water of 277 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:27.559 the tarp and left the print on the stairs of 278 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:31.279 the port. So that was big. That was one of 279 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:33.679 the events that I had where I had a chance 280 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.360 to learn more about what we were dealing with. When 281 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:39.840 I was in the BFO, I had a chance to 282 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.840 interview quite a few people and visit some of the locations, 283 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:48.960 including private properties in Tennessee and Indiana. I also had 284 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:51.879 one going in Virginia, and so we were able to 285 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:57.559 make comparisons with footprint size, behaviors, vocalizations, things of that 286 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:00.279 nature that was going on in A thousand and three. 287 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.879 I think what came of that. Primarily what amazed me 288 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:07.960 the most about the gallon Virginia. She would put things 289 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:14.799 out and make available treats or food items. She'd have 290 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.440 raccoons that would come in and wreck the whole area, 291 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.559 and then the sasquatches would come in and stack up 292 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:27.759 the plates. Real nice. This woman did not last long. 293 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:32.799 She had cancer and passed away. Unfortunately, we were able 294 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:35.080 to get a few things done. One of them was 295 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:38.360 she had a vocalization called she whistled done from the woods. 296 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:40.879 She would get that answered to her. So we knew 297 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.879 about mimicry. Back then we didn't so much wood knocks. 298 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:47.159 But with the way we found out that she had 299 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:51.159 the activity was she got two footprints at the corner 300 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:55.399 of her house, right by the bedroom, and they were 301 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:59.440 seventeen inches long in snow. She ended up finding also 302 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:04.519 a fourteen inch track, a twelve inch track, and a 303 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:08.680 seven inch track. We appropriately called the seven inch track 304 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:12.480 Sticky because it seemed to wherever he went he would 305 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.559 be punching a stick in the ground by the tracks. 306 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.759 That's a little bit reminiscent of Shane Carpenter's work with 307 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:20.559 some of the holes and the sticks that he's been 308 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:24.920 finding after rains. Now what else we had there. I 309 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:28.079 did send her night vision. She was able to see 310 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:32.039 the Big Mail twice and she lost all fear. He 311 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:36.000 would not allow her to see him. She caught him 312 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.240 a couple times on the edge of a building or 313 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:43.480 behind a tree, so right away she initially was quite terrified, 314 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:47.279 but she lost her fear through the progress of what 315 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.599 we were trying to accomplish. I will say that we 316 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.920 did get a few recordings. We got a very benoble 317 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:58.079 like metallic call of a juvenile with an adult. It 318 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:02.319 sounded like who was on ahad with it and reprimanding him. 319 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:04.720 In other words, maybe you're making too much noise, or 320 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:08.039 you're giving the property location away, or things like that. 321 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:10.960 So those are some of the things that we had 322 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.400 happened there. At the same time, I had a number 323 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.640 of people over in Tennesseee that I was working with, 324 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.880 and one particular family had just moved in from Alaska. 325 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.359 And what was interesting about that was one night they 326 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:27.880 had a disturbance at the chicken coop. This is how 327 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:32.160 they full in the head presents. Basically on top of 328 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:36.480 the chicken coop. There were green eyes reflecting from the flashlight. 329 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.480 Now they had dough brewmin pincers, and these dogs weren't 330 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:44.599 afraid of anything except for that night. And when mom 331 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.119 and Dad went toward the chicken coop, the lead dobe 332 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.960 followed alongside them. The other dope or dobs that don't 333 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:57.240 remember the numbers, stayed behind. So that was an Amarett 334 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.440 behavior right there. So they're just kind of luck. I 335 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.079 wonder what's going on there. As they proceeded to scare 336 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.160 it or frighten this bobcat off the roof of the 337 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:09.319 chicken coop. They realized, wait a minute, now we're looking 338 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:12.319 in another direction, but those eyes are still seventy eight 339 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:16.480 feet off the ground. What's going on? And they walked 340 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:19.640 in closer, and as they walked in closer, it turned 341 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:22.400 and ran and destroyed a fence as it ran through 342 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.079 a fence and down a hill, down into a bottom. 343 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:27.920 What was interesting about that was the remark I was 344 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:31.799 told was Dad said, the only thing could do that 345 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:35.279 would have to have the size or mass of grizzily. 346 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:39.079 And we ate in Alaskan anymore, being in western Tennessee, 347 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:43.160 so it's like, what did that? Over time we end 348 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:46.799 up getting seventeen inch footprints and apple was put in 349 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:51.200 a little monkey puppet in the gray ring. My feeling was, 350 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:54.359 and again this is an emotion, it's not fact necessarily 351 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:57.440 because there's so many variations with what wildlife can do. 352 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:02.319 But virtually every tone she put an apple up the 353 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:05.920 rear end of that mucky puppet sock, it would be 354 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:10.720 taken out and placed gently back on the chair, reminiscent 355 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:14.759 of the location of Virginia regarding being really fidgety, nice 356 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.359 and proper. There was never once where there was an 357 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:20.759 apple that was all chewed up and made a mess 358 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:23.559 up there was apple was taken and the puppet was 359 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:28.119 put down. So that kind of led us to thinking, Okay, 360 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:33.279 we've got some exchanges. Eventually, Ricky Idlet and I met 361 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.519 Moneymakers hooked me up with Ricky. Ricky was the American 362 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:42.720 Queen head engineer for the Mississippi Queen riverboat. He and 363 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:45.160 I are still good friends again. This was in two 364 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:47.920 thousand and two that we hooked up together in Tennessee. 365 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:51.240 He was living in Owensburg, Kentucky at the time. We 366 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:53.319 got over there and met mom and dad. One of 367 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.599 the first things that happened was I was led to 368 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:01.480 the top of the hill overseeing the how the barn 369 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:06.559 shed the property. There was this big rock sitting in 370 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:08.880 front of the cave that they wanted to show me. 371 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:11.440 They pointed to it and said, what do you think. 372 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.799 I'm looking at it, and it's got moss all over it. 373 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:20.000 This was apparently brought up the hill from the creek 374 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.680 bottom and put in front of the cave so it 375 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:27.440 could sit on the rock and look down the hill 376 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:31.440 and see all the activity going on the house. From 377 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.319 down there, looking up, you couldn't see it and the 378 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:37.200 beauty of that particular position was you've got the cave 379 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:41.119 opening and that cave are coming out hitting your back 380 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.000 as you sit on the rock. So that was an 381 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:48.680 interesting point of view that we marveled over. Some experiences 382 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.599 I had there, including breaking sticks from the ravines. We 383 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:55.799 also had one of the dober winzzers with us, and 384 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.160 we watched and listened to sticks being broken in a 385 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:02.720 dry run creek, coming all the way along the creek 386 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:06.440 up toward us. Then silence and we just sat and 387 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.839 talked and then turning around and going back. So we 388 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:13.039 felt very observed that particular day. I was trying all 389 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:17.119 kinds of interesting ideas at night, hoping to get a visual, 390 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:19.640 like taking the vehicle out in the middle of nowhere 391 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:23.839 and just sitting with the lights off, maybe fifteen twenty minutes, 392 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:25.920 and then turning them on to see if we could 393 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.000 get activity with no visuals. So I didn't get a 394 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:32.839 visual at all, working through all the way up until 395 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:35.640 the time I looked up with Sene in twenty eighteen, 396 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.519 and then in twenty nineteen he invited me into the 397 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.079 field to work with him and Randy and I drove 398 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:45.799 that day across Wisconsin. I had a program that day 399 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.160 with animals one of the universities. So the time I 400 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:50.279 got the creators put away and hopped into the vehicle, 401 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:53.319