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Hi, 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:24.519 this is Carl Franklin. 8 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:25.480 And this is Richard Campbell. 9 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:30.000 We've got two special shows coming up soon, episode nineteen 10 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:32.079 ninety nine and two thousand. 11 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:35.039 For episode nineteen ninety nine, we're collecting people's y two 12 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:37.520 k stories what did you do to help the Y 13 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:39.719 two k event not actually happen? 14 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:42.960 And for episode two thousand, we're going to be sharing 15 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.479 stories about how dot net shaped your career. 16 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.679 We have a special page at dot netroocks dot com 17 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:52.159 slash voxpop where you can record messages for us that 18 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:55.000 we can play on these special episodes. 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This is Show nineteen hundred and ninety eight. 31 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:44.879 So let's talk about what happened in the year nineteen 32 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:45.560 ninety eight. 33 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.000 Oh, it was quite a year. Got any favorites? 34 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:52.239 Well, good Friday Agreement, Yeah, that's a good one. And 35 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.159 in decades of conflict in Northern Ireland with the Brits 36 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:56.920 called the Troubles, didn't. 37 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:59.120 Quite end it because a couple a couple months later 38 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.920 there's the album Yeah, but that really tipped it over 39 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:04.239 the edge, Like there were some people that were angry 40 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:06.200 at the at the agreement. Then they did that and 41 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:10.120 they response that everyone was like, no, we're really freakin done. Yeah, 42 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:12.039 so it did take one more bombing, but then it 43 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.080 was that seemed to be over. That's great news. 44 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:19.400 Yeah. So the United States embassy bombings Kenya and Tanzania 45 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:26.039 was not good. The Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinski scandal that happened. 46 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:29.439 Yeahsted On Drudge, Thank you Internet, Yeah, the pre two 47 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:30.759 thousand Internet. 48 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:33.360 Monica Lewinsky and I just have to tell you also 49 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:36.719 the big Lebowski. Yeah, coincidence. 50 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.879 I'll get there Lewinsky, Yeah, good call. 51 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.639 Clinton was subsequently impeached, yeah, eventually, but later acquitted by 52 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:50.879 the Senate. The Coosovo conflict between Serbian forces and ethnic Albanians. 53 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:52.960 Well at that point they were still the Federal Republic 54 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:54.000 of Yugoslavia. 55 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:57.560 But yes, sir, right, Yeah, so that you know, we'll 56 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:58.639 talk about that next year. 57 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:00.960 Yeah, into ninety nine. 58 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.479 Indian Pakistan did some nuclear tests. Yeah, that was, you know, 59 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:09.400 kind of a little dense, little tension over there. 60 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:11.759 You know, you can really get weird on the geopolitics 61 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:13.240 side of this thing because one of the things they 62 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.159 did was meant they don't really attack each other anymore 63 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:20.039 because they're both nuclear armed, Like they were headed towards 64 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.159 a major conflict and had been skirmishing for a while. Yeah, 65 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.520 and adding these weapons to the equation changed the dynamic substantially. 66 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:29.479 Not that they're peaceful, no, you know, as the cashieries. 67 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:32.879 Even today, it's still bad yeah, but it did definitely change. 68 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:34.759 But I think they've kind of figured out that they 69 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.560 can't really use them against each other because it just 70 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:39.599 means mutual blow uppiness. 71 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:42.800 And also that's why they have to negotiate. I think 72 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:44.919 they can skirmish a bit, but they're not really going 73 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.479 to go try to destroy each other's countries. 74 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:51.080 Big hurricane, Hurricane Mitch in the Atlantic Hitch. Central America 75 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:57.039 got devastated by that, the Second Congo War, multi nation 76 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:03.840 conflict in Africa. Financial crisis. Yeah, Russia defaulted on debt 77 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:07.159 and devalue the ruble, which impacted global markets. 78 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:10.599 They defaulted on domestic debt. They just told all the 79 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:13.319 foreign debt, yeah, we're not going to be paying right now. 80 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:14.879 But we'll get around to it. 81 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.399 And I'll jump over to Richard's side for a minute. 82 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:19.480 Google was founded in nineteen ninety. 83 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:20.800 Eight, It's true. Yeah, it's a good one. 84 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.000 By Larry Page and Sergei Brinn. Yeah, and there was 85 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:26.920 some other stuff, but I don't want to be labor it. 86 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:31.519 So whoa, there's some spacey Yeah, Big Year ninety eight. 87 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:34.279 We'll start off the first one of the very first 88 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:37.399 missions of the year in January, small Athena rocket four 89 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:42.120 stage Charlot rocket called lifted a tiny satellite called Lunar Prospector. 90 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.240 It was a bargain sixty three million dollars and it 91 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.199 did surface composition mapping of the Moon. It found large 92 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:51.279 bodies of thorium. It also was one of the first 93 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:56.319 intentional tools for trying to locate hydrogen oxygen in the polls. 94 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:01.000 Only operated for eighteen months and did get some good sensing, 95 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:05.040 and then it's mission ended by deliberately crashing into the 96 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:08.319 Moon in a continuously shaded area of a crater, hoping 97 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.399 to generate a plume that they could then do some 98 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.199 spectrophy on to try and measure whether it was actually water. 99 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:16.360 Didn't work, but they will later go on with the 100 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:19.800 Lunar Constance Arbiter and a secondary mission of that. 101 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:23.360 That will actually succeeded. That so very relevant for us 102 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:25.959 at this moment, Artemis two, while we're recording this is 103 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:29.040 in space and on the far side of the Moon. 104 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.240 First time humans have been back there in decades, and so. 105 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.959 Well, Pink Floyd went there. That's for a brief moment. 106 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:39.959 And every time I played song im back. But Prospector 107 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.839 was one of these series of missions that really sort 108 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:44.560 of set the path to where we are right now. 109 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:49.040 Over on the shuttle side, there were what six Shuttle 110 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.680 missions total, but some of them are really really very important. 111 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.639 There are two Shuttle Mirror missions in ninety eight and 112 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.759 Dever in January and Discovery in June, and that will 113 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.199 be the last time a Shuttle will visit Mirror. It'll 114 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.839 be deorbited in another year or so. And then there 115 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:07.439 are a couple. There's the final space Lab mission with 116 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:10.560 Columbia that's the laboratory module in the Paloa Bay, and 117 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.800 then one of the space Hab missions with Discovery that 118 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:16.560 also had at that time Senator John glenn On the 119 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:20.680 first first American to orbit the Earth also got to 120 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:24.480 be the oldest American to fly in space. And then 121 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:29.639 the big ones. So in November, the Russia Federation flies 122 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:33.040 the functional cargo block named Azaria as the first module 123 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.079 of the International Space Station, lifted on a pro con 124 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:38.360 k and put into a fifty three D inclination orbit. 125 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:43.079 And then the following month Endeavor, the Shuttle meets up 126 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:48.319 with that Zaria module and berths not docs because it's 127 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.199 not autonomous, as she uses the arm to birth the 128 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.839 Unity module also known as Node one to Zaria, and 129 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.680 this is beginning of the International Space Station. Okay, on 130 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.360 the computing side, boy, there's some important things to talk about. 131 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:02.839 I'm going to go one of the biggest ones right 132 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.120 off the bat, which is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. 133 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:12.279 So this was a set of laws passed by the 134 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.639 US to comply with two treaties that have been plassed 135 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.759 by the World Intellectual Property Organization out of Geneva. This 136 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.680 is the whole idea of whether or all electronic works 137 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.920 can be had to deserve copyright protection, and a number 138 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:29.199 of other steps, some of which are fairly clever or 139 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:32.040 mostly harmless, and some of them which are really quite problematic, 140 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:34.319 which sounds like a very reasonable thing. And to you, 141 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.639 if you dig in deeper into this story, you realize 142 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:39.639 that there's a guy named Bruce Lehman who was part 143 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:42.399 of the Clinton administration, who had been for years trying 144 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.120 to prepare laws for Congress to pass to provide those 145 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.680 kinds of protections, and the Cress consistently ignored them, and 146 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:51.759 so instead he went to Geneva and lobbied with the 147 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:55.879 WIPO to get those treaties passed to force Congress to 148 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.240 pass them and we can debate with it. Really incredible 149 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.759 at all. Now, admittedly the US had not done any 150 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:05.279 copyright legislation since like nineteen seventy six, like something did 151 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:08.360 need to be done. But all of this is pretty wacky. 152 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.879 And there's two aspects that I think most people talk about. 153 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:13.839 When is the section five to twelve, known as the 154 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:17.199 safe Harbor's rule. This is the whole idea that if 155 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:20.959 you run a website with user generated content, you can't 156 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.720 be held liable for that user generated content as long as, 157 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.160 when requested, you take it down. Right. So this is 158 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.920 think YouTube, Facebook, like all those sorts of things. When 159 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:34.799 one of their users publishes puts copyrighted material on there, 160 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:36.799 you can request takeout and take it down. Now, it's 161 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.759 problematic in the sense that it has been utilized inappropriately 162 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:43.039 to take down things they shouldn't probably take down, you know, 163 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.879 stuff that you might even have. We've seen copyright holders 164 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:47.759 publisheduff and then have it taken down. 165 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:50.279 And keep in mind that this is nineteen ninety eight, 166 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.679 so websites have only been around. 167 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:55.000 For five or six You've not even there yet, right, Yeah, 168 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:58.720 So it there's a lot of conversation about whether it 169 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:00.720 should be revised. Let's face it, this is an old 170 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.879 piece of legislation, like it needs to major refresh. But 171 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:06.840 the real sticking point, the real public one, is twelve 172 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:11.159 oh one, which is the anti circumvention clauses. So the 173 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:15.399 whole idea here was that any activity involved in circumventing 174 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.840 a protection of any kind like digital rights management so forth, 175 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.960 is an infringement of the law is chargeable. And that 176 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:26.879 becomes really problematic because it was so generalized that it 177 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:28.639 blocked all kinds of things that didn't intend to. So 178 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:32.639 they have this every three year review where they add exemptions. 179 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:36.480 For example, in the first iteration of exemptions in two 180 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:43.919 thousand they exempted blocklists. So when the DC blocklists. Yeah, 181 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.360 so when the DMCA was passed, nominally you could sue 182 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:49.919 someone because you'd create a list of ad sites that 183 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:51.960 you didn't want to see and block them with your 184 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:55.759 DNS would be a crime according to the Handy circumissions, 185 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:58.720 So they made an exception for that. Now there's lots 186 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.240 of argument about the problems, how they've been gone about this, 187 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.039 whether it even makes sense. Now we're getting into part 188 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.240 of the right to repair problems. Come around with all 189 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.919 this anty circumvention, Like, it's probably the most difficult part 190 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:15.200 of d MCA, wildly overdue for rework, but I suspect 191 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:17.840 that's not going to happen for the next few years. Yeah, okay, 192 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.919 other internety things that are important. You already mentioned Google, 193 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:25.519 which certainly is important. But the IETF, the Internet Task 194 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:31.279 Force formerly ratifies IPv six. Nobody cared then, and nobody 195 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:36.320 cares now. The W three C moves XML to the 196 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:40.120 recommendation status, which now makes us as developers start to 197 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:45.440 use it and become sad. And this is the year 198 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:50.279 that Internet Explorer passes Netscape in browser market share, which 199 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.600 is funny because this is also the year that the Department 200 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.759 of Justice files an anti trust lawsuit against Microsoft. It's 201 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.919 also the year of Windows ninety eight and at comdex 202 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:02.720 Gates shows off a pre release version of ninety eight. 203 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.279 Goes to demonstrate the new plug and play capabilities, plugs 204 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.159 up a scanner into the machine and it blue screens 205 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:16.279 to a worldwide audience. And since that point, anytime I 206 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.919 made a senior executive at Microsoft is on any kind 207 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.279 of stage, there is a mirror system. They put an 208 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.799 entire second system backstage, and somebody is mirroring the demo 209 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:26.919 step by step, and so if something like that happens again, 210 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:30.279 you swap to the mirror because presumably that one won't crash. 211 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.039 Thought that it stopped to other failures. But that's where 212 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.960 all of that began. Also, this is the year that 213 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:40.799 Microsoft announces the unification of the wind nine X and 214 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:44.519 T lines that will actually happen with Windows two thousand 215 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:50.559 and for us personally, most importantly for Microsoft Visual Basic six. 216 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:51.440 Yeah. 217 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.360 Yeah, that was a good year. A couple other bits 218 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.919 and pieces, some other hardware. This is the year that Jobs, 219 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:02.480 who's just been back at at Apple for a year 220 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:04.120 and a half or so. He came back in ninety 221 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:08.559 seven ships the iMac, a Johnny I've divine zion machine 222 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:12.519 in the era of the beige PC box. Imax were 223 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:14.600 all in one. They were kind of egg shaped, and 224 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:16.240 they came in five colors. 225 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:17.240 People loved them. 226 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:20.159 Yeah, they were a design icon, right. 227 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:21.120 Rob, Do you have an iMac? 228 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.720 My mom? Did I inherited the iMac after a while? 229 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:26.360 Yeah? 230 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:26.679 Cool? 231 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:30.679 And they originally were shipped for thirteen hundred dollars US 232 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.159 back in the day, which then was expensive. But you 233 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:38.440 know it's Apple last, but not least, the very first 234 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:42.320 MP three player released in Japan. It's Sahan's MP Man. 235 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.720 We're still ways away from Diamond Rio yet, right, but 236 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.440 MP three's coming and we'll be part of later story. 237 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:52.440 Yeah. Well, I have the top ten movies, top ten 238 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.960 grossing movies of nineteen ninety eight. Godzilla? 239 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:56.799 Okay, remember Godzilla again? 240 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:58.639 Did you ever see the original Godzilla? 241 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:00.039 Well, you go all the way back. 242 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:02.120 All the way back to black and white Japanese. 243 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:06.159 I have a friend who's collected all of those Godzilla movies. Yeah, 244 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:08.559 which wouldn't bother me, except he makes me watch them too, 245 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:09.519 which is unfortunately. 246 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.759 In New England, there was a Channel fifty six out 247 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:16.879 of Boston and they used on Saturday have Creature double feature, 248 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.240 which was like two bad you know, black and white 249 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:25.519 monster movies back to back. All right. Deep Impact is 250 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:28.200 the Is that the number nine movie? 251 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:29.480 Is that the Bruce Willis one? 252 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:30.200 Yeah? 253 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.679 I think so, Okay, I didn't watch it. That was Armageddon. 254 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:35.720 I think Deep Impact is the Morgan Freeman one where 255 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:36.360 everybody dies. 256 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:41.840 Okay, Rush Hour with Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker. It's 257 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.200 kind of a fun violent movie. 258 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.159 Doctor Doolittle, Eddie Murphy with Eddie Murphy, right, the water. 259 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:57.000 Boy with Adam Sandler, Bugs Life, Yeah, so that was was. 260 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:00.000 That Seinfeld was just like the Year of the Commune 261 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:01.240 in movies. 262 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:07.679 Early Pixar movie. Yeah, there's something about Mary Hair Joe. Yeah, 263 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:15.399 Saving Private Ryan. Oh boy, Armageddon was the one you 264 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.000 were thinking with Bruce Willis. Yeah, there you go, Bruce Willis. 265 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:19.120 Yeah that was number two. 266 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:23.600 Okay, same somebody the Asteroids is during the world year. 267 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:27.720 Well, I think that was on everyone's mind. Apparently Titanic 268 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.840 came out. Oh yeah, that was the number one grossing 269 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:32.120 movie by far. 270 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:34.559 And yeah, we'll clean up at the Oscars. 271 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.360 Yeah, Armageddon made about five hundred and fifty three million. 272 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.799 Titanic made two point two billion dollars. 273 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:44.639 Because I think he spent a billion of it just 274 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:45.320 making the thing. 275 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:46.279 I think you're right. 276 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:49.759 Yeah, yeah, he was wildly over budget. But it's James Cameron. 277 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:51.759 Nobody could tell him anything, and after this he pulled 278 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:53.639 this off, nobody really could tell him anything. 279 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:54.600 Yeah that's true. 280 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:56.519 Avatar. Yeah, awesome. 281 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.360 Okay, so let's get on to better know for framework, 282 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:02.840 unless Rob, you have anything you want to add about 283 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:04.240 movies or yeah. 284 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:06.679 I was at the time living in San Francisco in 285 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:11.320 the Marina District and really fun place to live anyway, 286 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:14.240 on Chestnut. I lived right off Chestnut. 287 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:14.639 Wow. 288 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.200 There was a street with three movie theaters on it 289 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:21.159 and all three of them had Titanic playing. Wow, because 290 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.600 it was a moneymaker right within it, within a mile. 291 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:26.120 I know, it's crazy. You could pick your theater as wild. 292 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.840 Wow. All right, let's roll the music for better no framework, 293 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.480 all right, du So, as I usually do, I went 294 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:42.360 searching for when I when I don't have a new 295 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:43.399 Simon crop. 296 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.960 Tool, when Simon Krop has it? Just delivered you a 297 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.919 BF Yeah, exactly as he does also often thank you Simon. 298 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:54.720 Yeah, he's awesome. So I went to the list of 299 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:58.919 trending repos on GitHub that are English and C sharp 300 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.879 and I found one that I've never seen before. So 301 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:07.679 it's Tixel capital T lowercase I, capital X, capital L. 302 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:12.639 But it's really called tool three t L L three. 303 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.799 It's a real time animation toolkit. And I watched the 304 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.159 video and it just convinced me how stupid I am. 305 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.320 There's no way I could ever use this to do anything. 306 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:25.679 It's a way of thinking, like anytime. 307 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:28.879 You're yeah, anytime you're drawing Bezier curves and heuristics and 308 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:31.679 stuff like that to change stuff in real time. I'm 309 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:34.799 completely dumb about this, but here's what it is. It's 310 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:38.080 an open source app to create real time motion graphics. 311 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:38.360 Cool. 312 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:41.559 So they're targeting the sweet spot between real time rendering, 313 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:47.720 graph based procedural content generation and linear keyframe animation and editing. 314 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.360 So it allows artists to build audio reactive VJ content. 315 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.759 In other words, play this video while you're listening to 316 00:16:55.840 --> 00:17:00.879 this music you know, or you know, make graphic around 317 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:06.200 this music in real time, use advanced interfaces for exploring parameters, 318 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:10.839 or to combine key frame animation with automation. The video 319 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:15.480 is pretty impressive, but like I said, unless you're in that, 320 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:22.440 you know, in that genre or in that business, you're 321 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.359 probably not going to know what the heck to do 322 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.720 with this thing. That's cool, but you know, if you are, hey, 323 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:31.200 it's open source and it works and it's pretty cool. 324 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:34.599 I would at least watch the video, yeah, to see 325 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:36.920 to judge your stupidity about how. 326 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.599 Let you know, you don't understand, Okay, I just don't 327 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:40.160 understand it. 328 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:43.400 Yeah, it's not my thing, but it's cool. Yes, all right, 329 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.400 that's what I got. Richard, who's talking to us. 330 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.640 Grabbed a Comma tav Shows thirteen eighty five. Yes, sir, 331 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.759 jump back about ten years to a certain show we 332 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:55.359 did with a certain Rob Connery called Imposter Syndrome. 333 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:57.640 Oh yeah, that was a good one. 334 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:59.799 Oh wow. It was such a good book, too, right, 335 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.319 And there were so many good comments on this that 336 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.319 I shows that I never read. I figured I had 337 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:06.920 to go grab one. This is from the running deb 338 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.079 who I believe his name is Andy, and he says minutely, 339 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.519 this is nine years ago. I love, love, love this show. Guys, 340 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.599 I've been smitten, and then prioritetically says, is that too much? 341 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:18.839 Am I just a big fan of Rob Connery ever 342 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:22.079 since I found out about Subsonic. Yeah, oh wow. I've 343 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.240 always considered him one of the smartest people in the industry. 344 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:26.279 Wow, we do too. 345 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:29.839 I think that it's very it's very sweet. I think 346 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:32.640 it's very human for everyone to struggle with what they 347 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:34.960 know what they don't know. But it's also very important 348 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:37.799 to recognize how much you actually know. I ponder on 349 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:39.400 this often as I try to be a better developer, 350 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:41.880 a mentor and still be open to learning new things. 351 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.319 It's okay to have a strong opinion on something given 352 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:45.960 the information you have at the moment. But what makes 353 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:48.920 it even more okay? Tom, you were wrong later when 354 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:54.119 you have different information. Nothing is absolute. I will never 355 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:57.000 know everything you say out loud and be okay with it. 356 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.160 I value and honest I don't know much more more 357 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:02.240 than when they try to talk like they do know, 358 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.279 because eventually I'll figure out you don't know, right. I 359 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:07.880 think that is the definition of an impostor pretending to know, 360 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:10.160 not willing to learn, and not willing to consider something 361 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.400 outside your box. A friend once told me that smart 362 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:15.839 people don't always think they know enough, and idiots think 363 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.559 they know everything. That's right and as an echo to 364 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:21.319 Richard and Carl's point, just because it's easy for you 365 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:23.759 doesn't mean it's easy for everyone. Yeah, but part of 366 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.000 the human condition is to undervalue ourselves, and that goes 367 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.160 much deeper than education or being an expert in your field. 368 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:32.400 I have a calm side agree, but I only have 369 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.599 a vague idea of what big O notation is. This 370 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:38.799 is the first time I heard of NP complete. I'm 371 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.519 okay with that. When it becomes practical for me to 372 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:42.720 learn it. I will. 373 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.160 You're reminding me of when I wrote my first book 374 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.920 in nineteen ninety four for John Wellinson's Visual Basic Internet Programming. 375 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.319 I read all of the requests for Proposals RFPs for 376 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.240 all these protocols, and I thought I knew what I 377 00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:59.839 was talking about, but I really didn't, and I made 378 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:04.839 some serious mistakes and the technical mistakes and the description 379 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:09.279 of some things. But you know, some people were kind 380 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:11.079 of mean about it, and others were like, you know, 381 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:14.039 it's really cool that he's taking an interest in trying 382 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:16.480 to figure this stuff out. Sure it just wasn't figured 383 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:18.759 out until the second revision at least. 384 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:21.359 So yeah, So Adam, thank you so much for your comment. 385 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:22.720 And copy of music Go Buy is on its way 386 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:23.880 to you. And if you'd like a copy of music 387 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:25.319 Go Buy, I write a comment on the website at 388 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:27.319 dot arocks dot com or on the facebooks. We publish 389 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:28.599 every show there, and if you comment there and it 390 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:30.880 real in the show, we'll send you copy music go By. 391 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:32.599 Have you said that before, Richard. 392 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.960 Nope, first time ever. I just played as a recording man. 393 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:37.759 I don't have to keep saying it each time. He said, 394 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:39.720 how you just watched me say it again. 395 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:44.240 It's Ai. You got caught. 396 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:48.519 Yeah, well that voice you heard. The other voice you 397 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.759 heard is that of Rob Connery. Rob works at Microsoft 398 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:54.640 with a vs Code team, creating content for YouTube, as 399 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:57.880 well as contributing to open source projects. Rob is also 400 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:02.319 the author of The Impostor's Handbook, The Impostor's Roadmap, and 401 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:06.480