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Speaker 1: What is up, fella, sickos.

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Speaker 2: I am Dana Valley coming at you with more Jansen

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Speaker 1: We are here to talk about Trey Young being.

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Speaker 2: Traded to the Washington Wizards, as well as lupin our

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trade deadline primer for both the Hawks and the Wizards.

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We already recorded it for each team. We got about

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an hour and a half of content between them that

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just got absolutely dusted because as I was editing it,

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the Trey Young trade went through. So you can consider

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this your Trey Young trade reaction Hawks and Wizards fans

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and general NBA fans, as well as the Hawks and

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Wizards trade deadline primer, because we will be going through

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every team on this channel. Trey Young was traded to

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the Washington Wizards for CJ McCollum, Corey Kisspert, and zero

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draft picks.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing everyone's talking about.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of I've seen a lot of

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people say I can't, I'm in the minority, but I

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really like this for Atlanta and those people feel like

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they're in the majority at this point. More which team

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we want to start with the Wizards to break this

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down from from there end. How did you feel about

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this from their perspective? Well, I guess first and foremost,

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how the heck are you doing? As I skip back,

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I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Thank you so much. Look,

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I actually gave both of them a B grade. I

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think I gave Was it the Hawks that I gave

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a B plus? I actually don't remember who I gave

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a B plus? It was sorry close, Like, I don't

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think I have a winner or a loser in this one.

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You and I and I'm gonna I'm gonna reference a

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ton of what we talked about yesterday on the podcast

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that got dumped, because this is going to be brand

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new information for people listening in. But what I said

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in that podcast was there is really nothing in terms

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of like Washington taking on this contract that bothers me,

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because they should still have just oodles of cap space.

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They can go in and try to extent Tray to

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a point where he just doesn't pick up the player

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option and in set signs for a specific amount. The

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number I felt comfortable with was four years, one forty,

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with the potential moving up to four years, one fifty.

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Speaker 1: With them declining the player option, with him declining. Yeah,

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with him declining the player option as part of that negotiation. Absolutely,

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So I think that could be in the cards. And

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I'm saying that without knowing for sure, but like that

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wouldn't surprise me. And if that happens, they should still

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have I think you actually made the calculations. They should

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still have close to sixty million in cap space.

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Speaker 2: Right forty So the actual it turned out it was

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like I think Bobby Marshad was forty five point nine,

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So they're still working with more than forty million in

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cap space. And it's funny because the podcasts that no

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one will ever hear, we both kind of talked ourselves

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not out of it for the Wizards, but we were

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sort of done with the whole Oh this is fine.

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I kind of I think maybe I saw it. Maybe

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I'm just inherently contrarian now. I think I saw too

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many people saying I really love this for the Hawks

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with the Wizards doing and I get the risk involved,

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and we'll get into the Trey Young fit of it all.

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But when you're focusing on the finances like you were,

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I operated under the assumption that they were going to

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save Intlanta more money as part of this deal, because

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you had other avenues of CJ. McCullum plus AJ Johnson

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maybe plus another smaller contract. We've got more teams involved

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to keep in Lanta further away from the tax than

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they currently are now.

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Speaker 1: Getting off Kisspert, who's.

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Speaker 2: A useful player, but I don't feel any which way

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about his contract, Like paying him around fourteen million a

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year is probably market value, maybe a slight overpay, it's

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definitely not a bargain. And so he has another two

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years and it's about twenty seven million left on his

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deal after this one, with a club option for the

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third year following that. To get off that deal in

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the process, the way that the NBA's CBA now works,

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and so it was just you were never gonna just

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one hundred million dollars in cap space. We're gonna save

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sixty of it for the regular season. And so even

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if Trey picks up his player option and you just

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have this forty nine to fifty million dollar number, that's

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like and that's what their cap space is based off

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of the number that you mentioned if they sign him

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to an extension, their cap space then goes through the

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roof if he's declining his player option as part of that.

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So I don't really think this took anything, especially while

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getting the kiss Pert deal off the table and the

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final point I want to make before getting into the

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna.

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Speaker 2: See this fit until next season. And I think a

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lot of people were worried. You know, the Wizards have

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been a little friskier of late. Could they convey that

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top a protected pick? I can't guarantee you even if

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Trey Young plays in every single game once he makes

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his debut moving forward, the Wizard's front office is not

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gonna let that happen. This front office has been way

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too smart with every step that they've made, which is

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maybe also why I'm inclined to be SMI okay with

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this trade for them, But I think they're gonna give him.

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David Aldridge called it the brandon Ingram treatment to where

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he got traded to the Raptors. They I don't think.

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I don't think he'll extend right away. Maybe who does,

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who knows? But he got traded to Toronto Raptors and

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then they just shut him down basically for the season.

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they're worried about him making them better, and so just

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knowing that the Wizards will do whatever to keep their

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pick despite having acquired Trey Young, I'm more comfortable with

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the idea behind the move now than I was, Like,

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what was that eighteen hours ago whenever we.

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Speaker 1: Recorded, right, Yeah, I mean, look, I just generally am

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not a posed to this thing because it was something

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that we talked about yesterday as well.

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Speaker 2: See, we're going to reference that pod, the Lost podcast.

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We just want everyone to know that we were working still.

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That wasn't a day off for us.

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Speaker 1: Right, But something that I said which you surprisingly agreed with,

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because I actually think I said something clever for ones.

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I'm prepared to disagree now though, if it's any great

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great So I basically said that we as human beings

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are far more open minded to changing our behavior when

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we landed a new job, for example, So like if

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the if the communication from the side of the Washington

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and Trey Young arrives is, hey, look, we love having

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you here. Let's try to work together to find a

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way where we can optimize your potential, and they actually

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have him leaning into more off ball stuff and like

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integrating himself into the offense in a way that he

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didn't do in Atlanta. That might be it like, that

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might be something that could be looked at realistically. It

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really comes down to Trey Young. And while I do

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know that he's not necessarily someone who's adored within the

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confines of a locker room, I don't think he's like

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a cancer or anything. You know how we used to

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label players that way. I was like, I don't. I

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don't consider him of that ilk someone who comes in

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and just rubs everyone the wrong way and it just

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needs to go away. I don't think that's the case

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in Atlanta. I think it was more of an It

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was a salary situation, it was a fit situation. I

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don't necessarily they all went around thought, look like he

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didn't have value as a player or as a human being.

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shit that and come into a new situation say look,

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Speaker 2: I think we have in the comments people saying they

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can't hear you. So if you want to boost your

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mic a little bit, if that's to me, I am

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dan he is more. You can get us in the

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comments and say you can't hear him, But I do

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agree with the behavioral changes. You said that it's probably easier.

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I kind of thought maybe bringing in Quinn Schneider would

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have done that in Atlanta, like you changed the coach,

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and maybe that has Trade doing more off the ball,

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setting more screens. And we did see a little of that,

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like last year the numbers. He set more off ball

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screens than we've ever seen from him. That's great, but

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we need to see him materially change that behavior even more.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious.

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Speaker 2: I think you mentioned you were concerned about how do

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I think overall, but I'm absolutely in agreement with you

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that Trey is going to make his job easier. Since

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entering the league, Trey leads the entire NBA in an

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assists thrown at the rim, and only Luka Doncic has

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thrown more corner three point assists. That absolutely matters, and

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what I think it really comes down to, so that

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element I think is going to help even for someone

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like a Trey Johnson. We've seen him do a bunch

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of things away from the ball. Keishawn George. I've been

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when he's been healthy, the playmaking, I've been really intrigued

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by what he could do. But he can do things

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away from the ball. I think what's interesting is that

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Washington doesn't have anybody that you should be overly concerned

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about displacing from the ball. But that doesn't mean that

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you want Trey Young on the ball for seventeen to

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twenty one seconds of the shot clock. And that's what

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I'm gonna be interested to see is not even how

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much is Trey Young moving off the ball, but how

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long are his touches lasting, how long are they getting in?

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think he tried at different points to do that in Atlanta.

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of a we're trying to rehabilitate his value, maybe sign

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him to a cheaper deal or use him as this

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large expiring contract next year. If this is going to

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be more than a fly by night stop for him,

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this needs to be it. And I think, just to

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build on your point about it changing scenery, I wonder

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if the context of how he's changing scenery ends up

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mattering to him, because if you think about the report

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the Wizards, and my first response was, yeah, no shit,

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who else is in the Tray Young bidding right now?

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Speaker 1: Like, what is the other team he would prefer?

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Speaker 2: And so maybe that is because it would serve as

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a reality check to all of us if all of

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a sudden we had an audience of one for this

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podcast when we're publishing episodes, And so I'm wondering if

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that maybe is a catalyst for him actually changing. But

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I'm I'm intrigued, even if morbidly so, about how this

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Speaker 1: But I am doubting more and more that we're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna even see the chance for it to work on

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the court this season, at least extensively.

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Speaker 1: Yes, uh, hopefully we will just see a smitch of it,

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going through a training camp and then it's the start

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of next season. By the way, I hope my mic

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is fixed because I can't turn it up anymore. So

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here's hoping, here's hoping. But yes, that would be I

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do think the Wizards would love to at least see him,

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because otherwise you're stepping into a situation where he could

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turn down the player option and just leave out, right, Well,

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so and then so what yeah, yeah, no, sure, perhaps

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you're probably you're I mean, you're still training for him

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because you want to see him on the floor, I presume, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's I mean, at the end of the day,

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unless you thought CJ. McComb was gonna come back, or

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you were you really thought Corey Kisbert was gonna get right, Balue,

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what you've done if Trey Young leaves is actually increase

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significantly below when it's like, you know, forty five billion

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a year. Is that significantly below what he's learning now?

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And now you're muted.

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Speaker 2: I guess my question would be, if you're not gonna

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give him a chance to like fit in within the

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larger context of a team this year at least, I'm

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gonna be shocked if I said, let's set the over

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under right now, because they have We're like almost halfway

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through the season over under of Trey Young playing in

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twenty one games for the Wizards.

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Speaker 1: That was very specific for a real number. So that

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means that he will have to end the year like

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playing roughly thirty games total. That's and he's got a

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quad issue, well quad issue.

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Speaker 2: He's coming back the MCL thing, that's real, and that

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that's a truth enturry to come back from.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, no, screwge, I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 2: Right, And so how do you give I know the

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Raptors did it with Brandon Ingram, but this feels even

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more like a tenuous situation because we kind of knew

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the Raptors were attempting to be a relevant team in

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the East next year. We don't know that that's the

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mandate in Washington. And if you don't see, if you

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see Trey play fewer than twenty, fewer than fifteen games

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with the bulk of this young core, would you prefer,

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as the Wizards to have him on an extension at

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that lower number or just kind of go into next

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season with him? Is this massive expiring contract and if

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it pans out, then you worry about paying him or

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his or his free agency.

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Speaker 1: M So I don't actually feel strongly either way, Like

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think is like notably more attractive than the other. Because

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when you have Tray Young and what we were talking

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about is forty five million flat on that deal, I

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think that's tradable, Like it's still Tray Young. I think

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I think we've leaned a little too heavy on the

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weaknesses of what he is as a player, and or

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I have reached that point where we're sort of ignoring

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what he does give you after all. So, so like

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Trey Young on forty five million a year, if that's

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the number, because that was the number I was comfortable with,

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I would I would feel better about that because then

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I know what I have coming, I know I can

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set up my cap around that I know what type

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of money is coming in, I can better plan ahead.

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I like I I wouldn't hate that opportunity. But to

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your point, coming in and you know, playing around with

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a almost fifty million dollar expiring contract, that could be fun.

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You can break it into smaller pieces. You could do

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a bunch of fun stuff with that. That's the question. However,

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lot of examples of players earning that amount of dollars

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being actually used as an expiring contract and where the

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team trading away has gotten good assets. Right, I have

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no idea.

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Speaker 2: It's the same thing when it says cap space can

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be used to facilitate trades, and yes they can when

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you're taking on salary that's being dumped. But it's never

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look at all a cap space the Nets have they're

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able to get Yannis and.

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Speaker 1: Return.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you're you're right, and you know, functionally speaking,

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Trey Young was almost treated as an expiring contract here,

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at least by the Hawks. And maybe they view getting

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kiss Burt as part of the value, but no, he wasn't.

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Yeah that's incorrect, because they they seemed based on the

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offer they accepted terrified that he was going to pick

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up his player option. That's my just didn't read on

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this situation. I if I'm Washington, I need to see

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him play. And that's the That's the push and pull

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here is that you don't want to put your draft

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pick in jeopardy. But it's not like the Hawks, who

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have a better second best player than the Wizards have

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as a best player, if you remove Trey Young, Jalen

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Johnson's better than anyone on the Wizards right now. So

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if you have Trey Young, you could probably still like

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juggle it to wherever he's playing, but we're still gonna

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end up with a bottom five record. Is what they

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need to keep the pick that gives the Knicks a

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zero percent chance of getting it. I need if I'm

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going to extend him, I need. I need to see

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him play basketball. But I can't do what the Raptors

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did with Brandon Ingram. I guess although the number you say,

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if it's really like three for like one hundred and

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five or four for one forty, I would be tempted

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to just do it, just because that's row enough where

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he's taking he's slated for what forty nine to fifty

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next year if he's making thirty five, I mean, he's

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just shaved off like twenty five percent of his salary

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or so, I man, that's tough. I don't I think

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I would be surprised if they gave him an extension

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because with the Raptors, unless he plays and it goes well, maybe,

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but if he doesn't play, or if he's playing a

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fewer than fifteen games or something. The Raptors did give

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up a first round pick in that trade, and the

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Wizards didn't like they literally like they they didn't give

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up any picks. There was rumors that did they need

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to get picks to make this happen? And so I

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do think they have a tangible interest in seeing how

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Trey Young fits. But this isn't married to Trey Young

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the way that I think the Raptors were to brandon

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a right if that makes any.

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Speaker 1: Sense, and it doesn't, it does make sense. And that's

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what we don't know yet, Like we don't know where

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the Wizzards stand, and it's entirely when it comes to

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Trey Young. And that's going to be interesting to track

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over thecoming what it's like seven months?

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Speaker 2: Yeah about Yeah, I hope he plays this year, because

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now I just want to see him on this team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What else though, So if the Wizards view Trey Young

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as someone they're gonna keep, this gets into Okay, how

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do they approach the trade deadline?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: What is it you're looking for? Do you think this team?

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Is there any other business you'd like to see them

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go about? They still have plenty of room beneath the

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luxury tax they have after this deal they took on

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like one point seven million dollars, you have thirty million

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beneath the luxury tax. So they have flexibility on the

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trade market. They have Chris Middleton's expiring contract. There are

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things they could do. What would you like to see

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them do now that you know Trey Young is for

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sure on this roster?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So I don't want to go out and you know,

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go all out for a veteran. That's not what I

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want to do. I don't want to use Chris Middleton

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to go out and get some bonus for example.

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Speaker 2: I don't you know what you do? You snipe the

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Hawks on Anthony Davis. Now that's what they're that's what

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you do. I'm not advocating for that anybody any Wizards

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fans that are out therapy.

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Speaker 1: You know how I feel about acquiring Anthony Davis. So

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we're not going to get into all that today because

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that is besides the point. Or maybe we are because

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we are we are actually, yeah, it's coming. I look

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what I would like to do if I'm Washington, and

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that's more of like a short term thing. I would

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like more debt upfront, and especially defensive debt. Now is

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that something that's super crucial to the success of this season?

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Not really because you're trying to freaking lose, You're trying

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to hold on to a traffic pick. But like, I

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also don't want to see Alex Saar like get injured

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because he has to do too much stuff both sides

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of the wall. So like I would like to see

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someone come in and just help out a little bit

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defensively on the class something of that ilk that that

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wouldn't be something I'll be against, are they?

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Speaker 2: I mean this is interesting because then you're probably in

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the realm of would you give up second picks to

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make would you go after a day Ron Sharp?

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Speaker 1: That's not some of the nets are looking at dump

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that'd be interesting. What he's six' nine six ten, thereabouts,

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right he's that. SMALL i thought he was six ten six?

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Eleven my, god see is? HE i, MEAN i might be.

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Wrong WHENEVER i watch him, PLAY i just feel like

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he's a little bit on the short.

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Speaker 2: Side HIS i guess his body is just like he's

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so strong looking that maybe that yeas.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen, no he's six sixty, Ten you're, Right, okay, okay

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my my fault, Day Ron, okay that's, Fine I'll i'll

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lay down and accept lame. Here that would be interesting

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because he fits the. Timeline he just turned twenty. Four,

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yeah was he had like six million or something along those. Lines,

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YEAH i mean they could match. THAT i think A.

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J johnson plus something done and they're, yeah, yeah that

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wouldn't be a.

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Speaker 2: Problem, yeah maybe Even, again getting to the, money you're

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probably looking at different teams because, now now what's interesting

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about The wizard's situation is they don't have their best salary.

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Matching you don't want to trade any of the actual

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young guys that are making sort of the middle rung

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salaries at this. Point so you have Either Chris, middleton

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who's making thirty three point three, million and then after,

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THAT i would say the next most expensive expendable player

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Is Malachi branham has that five million dollar.

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Speaker 1: Five million is looking at restricted free, agencies so like

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they might want to try to get out of that as,

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well just pivot off of. Him he'stop playing that a whole.

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Speaker 2: LOT i guess, honestly if you combine him with you

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combine his salary with Aj, johnson so you're looking at

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eight point one million in total with the money that

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they can actually. Take but they can actually get a

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pretty reasonably priced player at.

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Speaker 1: That i'm trying to.

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Speaker 2: Save any other names spring to, mind there's NOT i,

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Mean Robert williams the third be pretty easy to match.

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THIS i think the two names we named get it.

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Done not yeah without, picks but, WAY i mean he's

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playing this, season he is relative to his track, record.

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Right would you be interested in a lightly to moderately

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Use Mitchell robinson as a backup to sarn maybe some

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minutes where they played it, Again, yes.

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Speaker 1: YES i would with The. Knicks would The knicks be

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willing to pivot? Off? Well?

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Speaker 2: There, so WHAT i will say about The knicks front

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office is that they have historically traded guys that they

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don't want to pay moving forward and so if they're

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terrified of his next, CONTRACT i would expect them to trade.

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Him and if they don't trade, HIM i almost expect

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him to sign a deal before he reaches free.

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Speaker 1: Agency we.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned let's reference the PODCAST i will ever Hear E'S

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mesi a little smaller six' nine might not be A

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bad i.

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Speaker 1: Would again you could throw fifty different centers at Me

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and i'd probably be very receptive, to it because my

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entire focus point here is just Not Letting alek sar

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stand with that much responsibility on. The, SHOULDERS well.

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Speaker 2: I think the AYAH and i guess you're right they

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maybe you could talk yourself into needing more perimeter, defensive

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juice but You, Have blake george. Is Fine justin champenni.

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IS good i guess if you wanted a like a guard,

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stopper type Like A chris dunn on this team to

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go muck ship up on the Floor, With trey i'm

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Like bub Carrington Or trey johnson isn't necessarily gonna do that, For?

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Speaker 1: You right do? We want do we? Want that if you're.

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Speaker 2: Just as an as, An option i'm not saying you

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need To Play chris DUNN or, I Mean jamal shad

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would be interesting on, this team like play one of

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those guys over Bub Or, trey johnson but just to

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have that tool in. Your, belt ooh he'd. Be good

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kean ellis be interesting. To, us, yeah, Yeah GO but

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I think i think That's the i'm with You on

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it be cool to see a big just to someone

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Who's Not marvin Bagley Or tristan Vuksovich behind. Alex R

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maybe i think sars dynamic and off offensively that this

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would not be my Default If I'm, brian keith but

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you could play him alongside pretty much any big at.

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This stage with the way that he shot the ball,

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THIS year. I agree do you final thing On. The

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wizards do you expect them to do anything else that

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you'll clock in your head or do you think this

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is gonna be a relatively quiet. Trade donline maybe they

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take on they've kind of already shown they're not afraid

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to take on money for. NEXT year i could see

475
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,400
them still going that route if they're gonna get compensated.

476
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,599
Speaker 1: For, it yeah so it seemed that just. Did this

477
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,480
i'm not closing the door on them doing, something ELSE

478
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:30,640
but i don't think they're in a rush to. DO

479
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,400
anything i don't think they're gonna panic their way into

480
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,519
the trade to find, and, say oh we need To

481
00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:38,559
Flip chris midleton for something because he's an expiring and

482
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,440
like we have to utilize that. Cap slot, LIKE no

483
00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:45,079
i think this is a question of waiting and reading.

484
00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:47,839
The market, like again they Gave up cet McCollum And

485
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,319
corey kisbert. For, trade yawk, That's it like that's a trade.

486
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,599
You do that's a trade you don't even think twice

487
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,640
about because, it's, like yeah. It's fine so if there's

488
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:01,319
a deal that pops up that is so richridiculously lopsided

489
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,839
for from, their PERSPECTIVE then i expect them to. Pursue

490
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:09,559
it but if, THERE isn't i think they're just fine

491
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,880
saying this will? Our deadline would they?

492
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: This, isn't Yeah They andre Drummond And quint capella fit

493
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,839
Into That jonnas valancunas trade exception on two teams that

494
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,880
might be looking at. Duct attacks that might be something

495
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,400
they they could.

496
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: Look At but i'm with you, playing right like he's

497
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:26,880
not playing a whole bunch doesn't feel, like.

498
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: Well they mean they have like how many Bigs does

499
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,759
houston technically have So.

500
00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: And austin's comment think About the hawks are about to get.

501
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: To them the Final thing i'll say On the WIZARDS

502
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,559
is i think part OF why i do feel COMFORTABLE

503
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,039
is i Know that timdansis is still the owner of,

504
00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:44,160
this team But The michael Winger And will dawkins led.

505
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,480
Front OFFICE and, I mean i guess it's if you're

506
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,640
a little uneasy Because The travis slank Link to trey

507
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:51,599
if that makes you a, little unsettled do you think

508
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:53,119
they're going to pay him more than? They should we

509
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,599
could talk, about IT but i just trust the way

510
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,839
this front office has taken steps so Far that i'm

511
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,240
open minded about. This act like If the kings had,

512
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,000
done this, YOU absolutely i absolutely it was gonna. Ether

513
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,480
them but they But the wizards. DOING it i think

514
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:13,240
that they have an actual plan or, an idea a

515
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,079
realistic idea of what this could do for him And

516
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:18,720
other i've heard in some of the reactions people talk

517
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:20,920
about this and, it matters. You know shout Out to,

518
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,000
matt mcderno friend of the podcast Over At Believe, in

519
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:27,720
wizards did mention from The puts butts in, Seat standpoint

520
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,400
he talked a lot about seeing Jerseys of LaMelo BALL,

521
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,880
around dc of seeing jerseys of. Other players you don't

522
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,839
See alex aar jerseys around there. As Much trey young

523
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,039
still kind of has, That appeal and if you Want

524
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:42,960
the wizards to just be a little bit, more interesting

525
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,519
IRRELEVANT with i think out obliterating everything that they've put,

526
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:49,720
in place there are way worse things that they could

527
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,640
that they could have, Done here And so i'm willing

528
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,559
to give Even though i'm not sold entirely on, The

529
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,880
fit i'm willing to give this front office and right

530
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,440
now a ton of leeway the benefit of a.

531
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:02,799
Speaker 1: Doubt same would.

532
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: You like to talk About The atlanta hawks end of

533
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,920
the trade for this They Got corey KISBURT.

534
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: And. Cj McCollum were you at all surprised by.

535
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,519
Speaker 2: Or maybe you didn't see these reactions as MUCH as

536
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,559
i did the mass Amount of, You know i'm in the,

537
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:18,440
minority HERE but.

538
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,279
Speaker 1: I really love this For.

539
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,519
Speaker 2: THE hawks i was surprised at how many people actually did.

540
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: Love it For.

541
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: THE hawks i thought it was at LEAST worth i

542
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,559
gave THEM a c PLUS when i, grated IT and

543
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:28,319
i Gave the WIZARDS.

544
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:31,039
Speaker 1: A b plus over a. BLEACHER report i thought it.

545
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: WAS fine i think that there's value in getting Out

546
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,559
Of trey young's player option because you were going to be,

547
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,160
you know now, you go you might have twenty five

548
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,279
plus million in cap space if You Renounced canard porzingis the.

549
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,480
Whole nine and if you put trays fifty million ish on,

550
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,000
the books you're all of, A, sudden oh can we

551
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:50,960
Re sign porzingis and stay under the tax and continue

552
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,359
to add to. Our team but let's also kind of.

553
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,400
Not forget the two things that are standing out to

554
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,200
Me Is trey young is shouldering an awful lot of

555
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,440
blame For this hawks season for someone who's only appeared in.

556
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,279
Speaker 1: Ten. Games correct, and.

557
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: Two this is something, where like how long have we

558
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,279
been Having The tray young Conversation?

559
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,079
Speaker 1: In atlanta feels like two to, three years, four years.

560
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,440
Four years the point.

561
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: Being this Is, not oh with the benefit, of hindsight

562
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,720
they would have moved. Him sooner it seemed very clear

563
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:23,839
that they weren't completely married to him for. A while

564
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:27,680
they waited past the pinnacle of his value to where

565
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,720
you're not getting any. PICKS now i just think the

566
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,759
optics on that are unless you're gonna sit here and

567
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,640
tell me that in twenty twenty four they couldn't have

568
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,839
gotten a single draft Pick For. TREY young I don't

569
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,640
i understand. THIS deal i don't KNOW that i. LOVE

570
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,319
it i don't know That the hawks are a slight

571
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,359
net positive with barely a league average offense this Year

572
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,759
When trey young is off.

573
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:49,599
Speaker 1: THE court i don't.

574
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,599
Speaker 2: KNOW that I think corey kisspertin, seek him call, him

575
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,039
FIT but i don't know that they diversify your.

576
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: Attack enough To where atlanta.

577
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,799
Speaker 2: Is better, to me this was more about dredging up

578
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,359
more flexibility into. The summer and that's rather than maybe

579
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,480
even give it a grade or a final verdict that

580
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,039
FEELS very tbd, to me it's what do they parlay this.

581
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:14,599
Flexibility INTO so i looked at it a little. BIT

582
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,880
differently i Gave the HAWKS a b plus or. A

583
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,039
jahoo and THE reason i did is because they found

584
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,960
in an arcic type of GUARD who i think Works Alongside.

585
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:28,640
JALEN johnson i THINK getting ct mccollumy in there is

586
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:34,640
basically the perfect player to Pair, with Johnston, With Nikhiel

587
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:38,440
alexander Walker With, John Jiaco Kungu sagarary rushachet. Those guys

588
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,279
so my thinking here is they are going to basically

589
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,799
be able to just gather so much data as humanly

590
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:51,759
possible on having a type of combo guard who isn't

591
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,000
your Lead Playmaker jalen, johnson is but who can take

592
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:59,039
over playmaking duties when he, Needs to someone who offers

593
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,440
a some space, in gravity someone who is able to

594
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,920
play off, the ball someone who won't monopolize. THE offense

595
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:10,880
i think this is LIKE. If cj McCollum had been

596
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:16,240
just five, years younger this would have been the perfect

597
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:19,160
fit and, long TERM but. I don't i still think

598
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,200
they can use him for now and use like his

599
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,960
archet type in terms Of, identifying okay this is what

600
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:28,559
works alongside, these guys like this is the type of

601
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,599
player we need, to identify just on a, younger scale

602
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:34,839
and trying to figure out how can we find this

603
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,079
guy who Works With, dyson daniels Works With, gale johnson

604
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,039
works With The keelexander Walker, on Yeokungo Potentially. Chris tops

605
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,240
we don't know what's gonna happen with that contract, moving

606
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,359
forward but like that has to be part of. The

607
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,839
CALCULUS so I personally i love it, for That but

608
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,039
i'm also worried that they're gonna fuck it up and

609
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,400
go Trade For. Anthony davis but that's a that's a

610
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,000
talk for to live down. The Road this chams did

611
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:04,119
put out there that they're lining themselves up for a

612
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,599
bigger move and or might still be In On. ANTHONY

613
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,160
davis i, would, argue now had They Traded trey YOUNG

614
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,319
for cj McCollum And aj Johnson Or, MALACHI brandham i would, Have,

615
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:19,000
said okay now they can DO the i don't know

616
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:20,599
what the pick cost would, have been but they Can

617
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,720
Do porzingis canard SMALL salary X For anthony davis and

618
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:26,400
remain under.

619
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,079
Speaker 1: The tax they can't do that now because you CAN'T.

620
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: Aggregate cj McCollum Or corey kisbert alongside, other players and

621
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,759
so you if you're not willing To Include, zachary RESISCHE

622
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,519
which i. Am not to, Be clear i'm not saying.

623
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:40,759
THEY should i wouldn't include him In An anthony. DAVIS

624
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,079
trade i think it's way too early to say we're

625
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:45,480
just out on. This guy AND also i don't want

626
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,079
a Part Of anthony davis and there he'd be Interesting.

627
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:49,759
In atlanta but now that the more they look at,

628
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:52,000
This roster i'm like he'd be more Interesting. In Atlanta

629
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,559
christophs porzingis was, still there and so it's Him And

630
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,960
jaellen Johnson And. Christops porzingis YOU'RE being kp off the

631
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,720
bench and then you kind of. Paper over we KNOW

632
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,319
both kp and eighty a're gonna, miss time but there's

633
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,920
just unless they're putting recessche on. The Table this hawks

634
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,279
team is not paying. The tax what do we Know about?

635
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:11,680
Hawks ownership it's not it's not. Flippant HAPPENING so i

636
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,400
think an ad trade is off the, Table now but

637
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,200
is it off the table over the summer when they

638
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,519
could have twenty five plus million dollars in cap space

639
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:23,400
to build a. LOPSIDED trade i, just now if you're

640
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,279
gonna go to the cap, space route you DON'T. Have

641
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,839
cj McCollum or kp on. Your books so then who's

642
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,559
the magic salary in?

643
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: That trade Is It?

644
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: Dison daniels all of, A sudden THAT'S why i need

645
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,839
to see what this flexibility. Turns INTO and i do

646
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,000
agree with a lot of what you SAID. About cj

647
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,000
mccoum being an easier fit with Not Only. Jalen johnson

648
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,359
but now you can you Know the hawks having all

649
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,160
these other secondary ball handlers In, The Keith alexander Walker

650
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,400
And dyson Daniels Plus. JALEN johnson I think jj is

651
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,240
the only one caliber of player who's equipped to run

652
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,799
like that's that's an, alpha type, but okay to help

653
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,000
that and. HE'S not i don't think he makes guys around,

654
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:05,079
him better but he'll draw attention when he's on, the

655
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,039
ball so that will help out other guys on. The

656
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:11,400
team but what does this team need now moving forward

657
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,160
or what is the direction for it. MOVING forward i

658
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,599
don't think we're gonna necessarily find out at the.

659
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,119
Speaker 1: Trade deadline this is not.

660
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: A deal if they were in the market for a

661
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,000
higher End big they've been mentioned For A vita zu box.

662
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,359
As well this trade doesn't like negate that need AND

663
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:32,160
they i think you could also argue you need Another Non,

664
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:34,880
jalen johnson at least someone who's close to a primary

665
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,799
playmaker or floor general, type now because no one else

666
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:42,480
on the roster unless you really Believe In Nikhil, Alexander

667
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:47,440
Walker vic fraichie Or Or dyson. Daniels himself they just

668
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,279
don't have that, right NOW and i want to throw

669
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:51,960
it to you to prompt you to bring up a

670
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,200
name for free agency that you had brought up in.

671
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,160
The podcast no one will Ever Hear. Austin reeves do

672
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,759
you think that that is still someone that they, should

673
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:03,640
have so they'd have to carve out, More space but

674
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,039
is that someone that they should, Have circle does that

675
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:07,759
still a name that you like for this team now

676
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:08,720
that you've seen this trade?

677
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,839
Speaker 1: Go, down yeah. ABSOLUTELY So, I look i Know That

678
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,319
austin reeves takes a lot of, shit for, you know

679
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,759
the lack of defense that he's, you know primarily an offensive.

680
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:23,119
DRIVEN player i agree, With that but do you think

681
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,839
he plays more Defense Than? TREY yung i do. THINK

682
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,400
that i do think the size alone is going to

683
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,000
be more of. An Advantage but i'm just looking at

684
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,359
a guy who is playing a ton of pig and,

685
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,440
roll basketball who can also spot up if he, needs

686
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,359
to who is very capable of setting up, his teammates

687
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,200
who is very capable of getting to, the basket who's

688
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,920
getting to the, foul line but he's doing so within

689
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,640
the fabric of the team offense instead of, just launching,

690
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,279
you know pull up threes from the logo more. Or

691
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,160
LESS so i would Love For austin reeves to join.

692
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,599
THIS roster i think that would be a tremendous fit

693
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,599
because he'd be that secondary slash Primary when jalen is,

694
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,239
sitting playmaker, play initiator or someone who can just make.

695
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,960
Things happen like they can play in conjunction with, each

696
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,960
other they can. PLAY separately i think that's how a

697
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,320
guard would be superb.

698
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,039
Speaker 2: For, THEM frankly i think what you get in the

699
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,519
issue of so do you think it'll take if he's

700
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:24,239
Leaving THE lakers maxi money to?

701
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,559
Speaker 1: Get him, PROBABLY right i mean that's forty one zero

702
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:29,159
point five.

703
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Million dollars they need to figure out a way to

704
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,480
come up with another like fourteen to fifteen million bug

705
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:35,679
you could sign and you could.

706
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: Make it work via sign, AND trade. I suppose but

707
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,360
that's where it.

708
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,079
Speaker 2: Gets dicey AND so i think that's also the challenge

709
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:46,000
here is the guard market overall this summer is not.

710
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,639
Especially deep if you were looking for a big man

711
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,719
on the, open market you're probably gonna have a better

712
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,320
chance of filling that void than of going to get.

713
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,599
Speaker 1: Another guard and so are they gonna Have to.

714
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,679
Speaker 2: I'm wondering i'm almost wondering if should there be an

715
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,159
urge and see, for them because if they don't address

716
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:04,840
it at this trade deadline where you COULD. Trade cg

717
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,559
McCullum on his. Standalone deal you also Do have KP's,

718
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:11,079
expiring contract You, have canard You, have kisspert you could trade,

719
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:13,519
him alone should there be maybe an urgency while YOU

720
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:18,519
have i would say a surplus of salary matching tools

721
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,360
to try and find a player of, that caliber because if,

722
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,440
YOU don't i don't know that that player is going

723
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,639
to be available for the cap space range they're going

724
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:28,480
to be in. This summer so you put yourself in

725
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,960
a position, to, where well we have to sign these

726
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,079
other contracts with the intent of them becoming trade ballast down,

727
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,920
the line whether it's the twenty twenty seven trade deadline.

728
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: OR beyond i think that's a really good question, to

729
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,159
ask because you're right, it again going into, free agency

730
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,079
we just don't know what, shakes, Off right like we've seen,

731
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,159
it before the cap. Space plan how often does that

732
00:35:54,519 --> 00:36:00,719
really work even for like teams that are, you know high,

733
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,519
market teams big, market teams some of them even fall

734
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:05,960
through once in, a while like they'll spend years saving

735
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,559
up money for a specific summer and, they'll go we're

736
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:10,960
gonna get a superstar because we're the God Damn Los

737
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,280
angeles lakers or whatever, it was and then they ended

738
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,760
up with a long nose, because nope. They weren't like

739
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,400
they just completely. Flamed out and if it can happen

740
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,559
to everyone, like that it's not necessarily a. Staple PLAN

741
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,559
so i do think that they have to exercise every

742
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:31,280
single opportunity that, they have or at least theorize. About

743
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,880
it have. Some meetings if you can flip, you know

744
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,840
On Ye ko kongo with, someone else, for example and

745
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:42,920
turn that into a major, balloon package like you give

746
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,280
up your entire. BigMan DEATH so i was about, to,

747
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,639
Say oh Kongo and KP's that's suddenly giving up your BigMan.

748
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,639
Rotation altogether but like you catch my trist if you

749
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,920
can gather a couple, of contracts stitch them together for

750
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,840
something big and there's something there. That's, INTERESTING yeah, I

751
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,840
mean i don't think they're. Against that i'm not. Against

752
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,159
that it just, to me the entire crux of the

753
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,599
issue comes down to does, this player whoever that player

754
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:13,400
is Fit With jalen johnson's specific, playing style because that

755
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,840
has to be the revolving question now that we're talking

756
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,719
about in every future transaction, for them at least over the,

757
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,119
next year, two years, three years maybe that has to be,

758
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:28,400
the question does this player Fit With. JALEN johnson i

759
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:28,880
think that's.

760
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: The Question but i'm also find myself wondering what's the

761
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,559
bare minimum level of player they need in, that spot

762
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,159
because it's not you're not going to say if they were,

763
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:39,920
To trade i'm just gonna thrown names Here For, Jose,

764
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,880
alvarado right that's not gonna do it, for, You, right.

765
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: No we were talking about it because we did a

766
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,519
long podcast yesterday With Like. Kobe white we Brought up

767
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:54,079
kobe as a a. PLAY broke i believe you said

768
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:58,920
that would be a, player who, while good felt a

769
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,000
little small in terms of, like, scale right And Like

770
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:06,320
austin reeves fit more along like the the star caliber

771
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:06,800
player you're.

772
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: Looking, FOR yeah i think he just does More like

773
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,599
kobe fits away from. The ball but if you were

774
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:15,880
looking to like, be dynamic like dynamic movement away from,

775
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,719
THE ball I Think austin reeves does a lot more.

776
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,199
Speaker 1: Of That By.

777
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,679
Speaker 2: Koby, white yes you, KNOW what i hadn't given this.

778
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,519
Much thought he's injured, right now so this would be an.

779
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:26,800
Offseason thing but this team is, getting expensive and if

780
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,880
they're going to Resign tar Easan And van fleet picks

781
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,760
up that, player option isn't he just flat? Twenty five

782
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,559
that could be interesting if they. WERE willing I maybe

783
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:37,480
land has to give, up something or maybe they. Get

784
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,400
off maybe It's kiss Bert for Fred van fleet at

785
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,280
that point that might. Be AN he's i know he's

786
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,320
getting older and coming off, an injury but that you

787
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,599
want to talk about someone who. WOULD fit i don't

788
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,199
know if he's a level of playmaker you'd normally want.

789
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: And, EFFICIENCY wise i don't. Love it fair it's he's,

790
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,679
So small like that's also. A name, you're small? He's

791
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,000
small is he Smaller Than? Trey? Young, right yeah he. Is,

792
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:06,880
smaller yeah he's like he's he's sturdier and like he's he's,

793
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,639
you know he has like what about forty Pounds on trey,

794
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,679
after all that's like that's, Fair enough but at the,

795
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:17,599
same time like this is a guy who routinely hits

796
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:20,039
like forty seven thirty eight percent from the, field overall

797
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,760
AND while i appreciate that a large percentage of his shots.

798
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,480
Are threes i'm still not in love with his offensive

799
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,239
game in terms of like being an off ball guy

800
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,519
and coming off the. Major, Injury like i'm seeing some,

801
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:37,639
Red FLAGS but i don't hate. THE name i think

802
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:41,719
that was like the. Right, approach YEAH there's, I mean

803
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,800
I'd Love. PEYTON pritchard i just can't See the celtics

804
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,599
trading him as kind Of. Great god he would, Be

805
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:50,880
perfect he'd. Be, perfect yeah he'd. Be perfect now is

806
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,159
this too big of. A name let's say this team,

807
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:56,159
flames out which is not a stretch because it's. Now, Happened,

808
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:01,679
OKAY yeah i was Gonna Say arius garland if he.

809
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:07,280
BECOMES available i hate to ask, this Question Is Darius

810
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,599
garland is he the same caliber of name now that

811
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:15,119
he was a. YEAR ago i still think, of maybe

812
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:15,760
with the Exception.

813
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,159
Speaker 2: Of reeves at, THIS moment I Like darius garland is

814
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:20,880
the best player that.

815
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,679
Speaker 1: We've, NAMED look I Love, darius GARLAND but i mean

816
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:29,360
there's beginning to be an injury pattern pattern. That's, emerging

817
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,039
yeah if, HE could i ACTUALLY could i take a

818
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,119
moment to Appeal To darius garland In The cleveland. CAVALIERS

819
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,320
organization i.

820
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: Would love it if he would throw fewer, jump passes

821
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,000
just because it feels like he's asking to injure his

822
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:44,920
toe on, Those landing like does he just want to

823
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,719
continue to injure his feet stay on, The ground, my

824
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,679
guy we don't.

825
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,639
Speaker 1: Need you we don't need you playing off. Your feet. That's,

826
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:55,039
FAIR yeah i hope he listens that. That too like

827
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:57,559
he is also the type of leek GUARD that i

828
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,960
think would Fit. In, ATLANTA frankly I Think, darius garland,

829
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,400
if healthy fits on, Most teams like he was the

830
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,480
POINT guard i had circled Before the spurs Went After,

831
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:11,519
tieran fox, for example but Like the cavaliers were finding,

832
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:14,400
their groove like it wasn't realistic at that point. In

833
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,800
Time but garland was the guy, For me like he

834
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,519
would just fit so seamlessly offensively onto so. Many TEAMS

835
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,679
so i don't think that's a bad name to to

836
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,519
throw into. The mix what about.

837
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: He's not when you're looking at the playmaking of. It

838
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:35,119
all you Mentioned, the spurs which is why he kind

839
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,880
of just popped into. My Mind But devin vessel, mm

840
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,079
hmm we seem to do a little more playmaking on

841
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,159
different iterations Of the, SPURS ude i.

842
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: Mean the PLAY so i WOULD trust, I look I Love.

843
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,360
DEVIN missel i trust CURRENT. Age cj McCollum moore with

844
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,159
the ball in, his HANDS that i Do devn missel

845
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:58,519
SO at i don't think there is that playmaking chops

846
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:02,920
OR like i think he is more of like a

847
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,440
one to two triple pull. Up guy, if anything could

848
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,920
he expand himself a little bit More in atlanta so

849
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,559
we can see if there's. Something there not ruling, that

850
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:15,239
out but it does feel Like the spurs have given

851
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,360
him ample opportunity to showcase that where it's just. Not

852
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,360
HAPPENED so i don't know what to put. In that

853
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:23,880
you know?

854
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,039
Speaker 2: What's interesting the names we're, throwing out we haven't. Even

855
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,719
considered you Just Traded trey young and like your future you?

856
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,679
Have flexibility do you have a lotty, They're signed You've Paid,

857
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:36,360
dison daniels You've Paid. Jon johnson we haven't even. Considered

858
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,599
that Are the hawks like taking a more gradual?

859
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:39,639
Speaker 1: Approach here we're.

860
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: Just just like they're being Linked To. Anthony davis should they

861
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,599
go after a big? Name big should they go after

862
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,119
A Current? All star guard or just a much. BETTER

863
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:50,239
guard i think that that's the direction they're gonna, Ultimately

864
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,559
Take but i'm just curious, As that like should they

865
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:54,880
be in the market for some OF these i don't

866
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,559
even want to call them Second draft i'd be Like

867
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:58,719
a rob dilling him taking a flyer, On him or

868
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,840
If the sixers want to get Rid of, Jared, McCain

869
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,119
like should that be something they're willing to, look at

870
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,639
or is it you want more bankable value at this

871
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:11,800
point because you have paid some of these, Guys already, SO.

872
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: No, I mean i'm always of the opinion that you should.

873
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:19,239
Explore Everything Like, ROB dillingham i would be interested, in that,

874
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,440
but like given how little data we have on him

875
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,440
Because the wolves just aren't, Playing him it's it's one

876
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,639
of THOSE situations i could see go, South quickly like

877
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,079
how many times did we not see someone go for

878
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,280
a second draft guy where we're all, got like oh,

879
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,440
my god they, got him and then that player just

880
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,840
flamed out and turned. Into Nothing like i'm old enough

881
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,719
to Remember the bulls Trading for jimmer, For dead like

882
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,079
that didn't, work, Out sir Like.

883
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,679
Speaker 2: That's Hardwoo knocks Podcast guest jimmer for dead was on.

884
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: This podcast, All, RIGHT well, i, mean, look hey, Good.

885
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,079
On jimmer that's got to be a career highlight because

886
00:43:55,079 --> 00:44:02,559
you sure a cell wasn't playing For. The bulls, Oh man,

887
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,199
i'm sorry but Like To, rob dillingham like there's just

888
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,239
not enough date on the kip yet to a Point where, i'm,

889
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,119
like yeah go. For it like he's played seventy.

890
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: Nine games that's the point of a second, draft, Guy

891
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,239
though so what you're saying is That the hawk should

892
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,039
not be in that type of.

893
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: A market the whole idea of a second draft Guy.

894
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,039
Speaker 2: Is willingham have played in one hundred and twenty games

895
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,159
and sucked even more because then you have.

896
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:30,639
Speaker 1: The, data, no no, but no not. Not necessarily But

897
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,360
what i'm SAYING is i need something. IN between I

898
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,199
think i don't need the fully, fletched STAR but i

899
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,440
also need something WITH where i have a little bit

900
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,360
more knowledge of. The SITUATION like i understand what. You're

901
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,639
saying it comes down, to, Compensation right like what can

902
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:48,760
You Get rob dillingham For now we're just gonna use

903
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,760
him as, An example like what is going to be the?

904
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,559
PRICE tack i have, no, idea right if it's like a.

905
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:59,400
First rounder no Frickin way i'm. Doing, that no, absolutely not.

906
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,519
Speaker 2: THAT'S yeah i mean maybe it's a three team thing

907
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:05,920
Where like minnesota Is getting ayah and you're Getting dealing

908
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,480
ham and sending seconds to the BULLSER because i think

909
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:10,400
other teams would Value dilling cam less Than.

910
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: The wolves know what they invested to Get dialing ham at.

911
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,119
Number Eight the boys would be like receiving. Draft picks what?

912
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,880
Is that that's a. Foreign concept what are we what

913
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,800
are we supposed to do?

914
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,559
Speaker 2: WITH these i do ultimately think that If the hawks

915
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:27,320
are still trying to make something of, this season they

916
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,599
shouldn't be reckless at the, trade deadline but they should

917
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,280
be poking around, the names like Even A, cam spencer

918
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:34,280
what does it take to get him from like to

919
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,480
come plug in play this this year doesn't, cost like

920
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,840
doesn't cost you this long. Term flexibility but that does

921
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,840
feel like a missing piece of. This team Although maybe i'm.

922
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,519
Just wrong maybe getting Rid Of trey young and fully

923
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:48,880
leaning Into The jalen johnson experience and getting SOMEONE. Like

924
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,119
cj McCollum prompts this second half of the. Season surge.

925
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,920
I'M skeptical i think Maybe the hawks end up being

926
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,880
a little bit better because they get natural Progression, from

927
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:01,960
well What if resis? Is better What If dyson daniels

928
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:02,840
does a little bit more?

929
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:03,159
Speaker 1: On?

930
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: Offense uh? WHAT if i guess you could, also say

931
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,840
What If Mikie alexander walker? Gets worse that would. Be

932
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,880
something What If, jalon, johnson though just continues to get

933
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,480
better With christophs porzingis is. More Available so i'm open

934
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,360
to the idea that they could, Be better but this trade,

935
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,360
in general, to me it's either underwhelming or skews very

936
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,800
HEAVILY towards i just need to see what they do

937
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:27,679
with the newfound flexibility that, they prioritize because That's how i'm.

938
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,280
Reading this do have one final topic that we need to,

939
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,639
get to what should there be any other teams that

940
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,320
are looking at this tray young trade and scared shitless

941
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,519
as to what their star or fringe star, Trade value

942
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,039
like they're approaching a decision to where maybe we should

943
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:48,840
look at moving this guy now or did we already

944
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,719
missed the boat? On it, OH man i have. A

945
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,920
name it better be the.

946
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,679
Speaker 1: RIGHT name i think, it IS and I think heat

947
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,519
fans are going to be pissed. At. Me BAM so

948
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:06,639
i thought you were gonna Say, Job, Morant, no no

949
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:09,440
well that that secret. Is out he doesn't have value

950
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:10,440
just because of what happens off.

951
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: The floor But if I'm, the grizzlies it kind of.

952
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,159
JUST reinforces, i, guess like do we just keep him

953
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:17,480
because that's what it's, gonna.

954
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: Like, Gone right, oh yeah they're not Gonna get jack shipped.

955
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,039
For Him they're they're. Just NOT but I think miami

956
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:27,480
for a long While had bam pegged as someone who

957
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,360
they could probably get four or five draft. PICKS for

958
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,000
i don't think that's. True anymore like, you, know again

959
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,719
these players with significant warts in, their games and let's

960
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,920
just be real. About it bam has a ward in

961
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,079
his game that's called. Offensive execution he is not great.

962
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,800
At it he's, scoring wise he is very pedestrian. Defensively

963
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,960
fantastic does you know when we talk about players would

964
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,199
do the, little things he literally does all of the.

965
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:55,400
Little Things so i'm not trying to say that he's

966
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,800
not a great, basketball player but he comes with, a ceiling.

967
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:04,000
Especially Offense, so miami who's probably spent, years, thinking, oh

968
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,440
yeah we whenever we need, to pivot we can lock

969
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,719
in at least like three high quality first round draft PICKS.

970
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,320
FOR bam i don't think that's that's out. There, Anymore NO.

971
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,639
Speaker 2: And i think especially when he's on his, new deal

972
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,960
that changes a lot of because. It's easier so let's

973
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:24,920
Use Even john Morant Or LaMelo ball because they're making

974
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,880
so much Less Than trey young, right now might be

975
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,079
easier to talk to yourself and them. GETTING value i

976
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,679
have another name to throw out for the, same reason

977
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,280
and it's.

978
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:32,679
Speaker 1: Probably more of.

979
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,599
Speaker 2: An issue it's just it's an, issue now would be

980
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,360
more of an issue when his deal starts.

981
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: Next Year Jared. Jackson junior you want to talk about

982
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,960
holes in the game. A lot now you're just setting.

983
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,159
Me up. That's, UNFAIR well i.

984
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: Have another ONE that i don't think is probably. Being

985
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,239
taught and this team is good But.

986
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: Con.

987
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: Anthony towns but he has two years left on his

988
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,559
deal after, this one with a sixty plus million dollar

989
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:01,440
player option on that. Second season if You're, the knicks

990
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:03,320
and this IS why i would advocate for teams to,

991
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,559
do this is you need to negotiate and point to

992
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,800
players like these deeply flawed big Names Like, Trey Young,

993
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,519
John Morant. Coronathy towns you need to be pushing to

994
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:16,960
get extensions done that lower their average. Annual value so

995
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,239
that makes it one easier for you to build out,

996
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,840
your team but two maybe more appealing as a, trade

997
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,039
asset because you don't want to run into a situation

998
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,280
Like the hawks just Did With trey young to where

999
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:29,840
it's the fun they waited too long to, move him

1000
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:32,079
and it's he's in the technically the quote unquote final

1001
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:33,960
year of his deal or has that huge, player option

1002
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,440
and you just have to take a bath on.

1003
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: His VALUE and i know that.

1004
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: PEOPLE think I think karnathon town is a, good example

1005
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:43,239
but like what is he four time Three TIME all,

1006
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,599
Nba player like that seems insane and what, he does

1007
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,920
the driving and the shooting is still anomaloist at. His

1008
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,239
position we don't know if he can be your center in. The,

1009
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,320
playoffs Still the wolves decided it needed To Be. Rudy

1010
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,440
Gobert the nickson banded about does it need to? Be

1011
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,119
mitched can we get away with him at? The five

1012
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,400
that is something like that's one of the Situations where Okay,

1013
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,599
Bam Adebayo Jaron, jackson junior they have more years left on.

1014
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,559
Their Deal but i'm now Watching The karl anthony town

1015
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:12,639
situation even, more Closely Including john morantz. As WELL but

1016
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,440
i think that this was sort Of a this kind

1017
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:18,760
of proved the shift of a certain type of star

1018
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,639
if they're on a certain type. Of Contract Where daron

1019
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:24,159
fox was still kind Of on he's on that, first

1020
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,119
max so it's just easier to get value out and to,

1021
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,119
be fair like he, was performing he was performing way

1022
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,079
Better Than trey young was at the Time That trey young.

1023
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: WAS traded i.

1024
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: Think we're gonna See a we've already kind of seen

1025
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,440
a shift in how.

1026
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: These teams want to or will pay.

1027
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: THESE players i think we're gonna see even more of

1028
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,320
a shift on how they're valued.

1029
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: In, TRADES yeah i very. MUCH agree, i look this

1030
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:52,239
is a point that when our Mutual Buddy brian SUPPORT

1031
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,880
and i DID the nba podcast together for practically, ten

1032
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,480
years this is something we talked about, at length and

1033
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,400
this what you're basically saying connects very beautifully with the

1034
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:06,800
thirty five percent max that is eligible after you played your.

1035
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,039
Tenth year like if you're a tenth year, of service

1036
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:13,440
it never made freaking sense that the time that you

1037
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,559
were earning the most money was when you were initiating, a,

1038
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:19,280
decline right it just never made a whole bunch. Of

1039
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,079
sense now we're seeing guys who are approaching the ten

1040
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:27,199
year years of, service marker and teams, are, Like whoa

1041
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:30,800
like that thing is. Coming up that is not something

1042
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,440
we want to get into, because like we don't want

1043
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,280
to pay someone who's like forty two forty three thirty

1044
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,000
four sixty, million dollars like forty five percent of. The

1045
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:43,119
cap that's just not something we were interested. In doing

1046
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,719
and that's the correct way to look. At it, SO

1047
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,760
yes i do think there are always going to be

1048
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,639
some asshole in the league who's going to max someone an,

1049
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:54,559
old guy and then that's going to be what agents

1050
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:58,199
use as, you know a directive, say look Look The.

1051
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,840
Sacramento kings just there's, maxed out, You Know damian lillard. Or,

1052
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,119
whatever right like something something's. Gonna happen someone's gonna do,

1053
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:11,400
that thing and then agents everywhere are, gonna, GO yeah

1054
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:14,119
i want that from my. Guy too but that's where

1055
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,519
the league at large just has, to, say no you

1056
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:18,760
know you want, that money go find it, somewhere Else

1057
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,320
because i'm just not going to put my organization, through

1058
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,000
that which is Also why i've been so against the

1059
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,559
well Training For. ANTHONY davis i wrote this Over At

1060
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,400
yahoo sports. A basic i actually wrote an article which

1061
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:34,800
is all about stay Away From anthony davis because, of

1062
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,079
that the, salary commitment the fact that he's, getting older

1063
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:41,559
the fact, he's not the lack, of availability and He

1064
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,599
And clutch sports are also fishing for an Extension where,

1065
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:48,119
I'm like i'm not extending you, at all like, You

1066
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,719
No you're I'm not and are we still waiting or?

1067
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: Did it has it quietly Happened With james harden when

1068
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,840
you look at the contracts that he's signed since Leaving,

1069
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,360
the Sixers because i've tried to look at WHAT'S the

1070
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,199
i thought it was Gonna Be Jaron. JACKSON junior i

1071
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:04,239
thought it was gonna Be. Dearon Fox now i'm looking

1072
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,679
at it, as, Oh Okay. Trey young if he signs

1073
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:08,760
a new deal With, the wizards that would be one to,

1074
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,119
monitors like because we're still sort of waiting to see

1075
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:14,840
the star That's NOT and i Would Say james harden's,

1076
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,159
just older but the star who's maybe not yet, thirty

1077
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:21,079
four thirty five and older is there gonna be more

1078
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,840
of a, negotiation there but maybe it's already, quietly happened

1079
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,559
like we've just seen It With james harden as his

1080
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:29,400
annual value has not been as high as it as it.

1081
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,239
COULD be I Think trey young will still be a

1082
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,280
good flashball moment for That because i'm Assuming the wizards

1083
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,360
are not going to maxim out whether they extend him

1084
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,079
or wait until twenty twenty seven, free agency but we're

1085
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:40,960
still sort of waiting.

1086
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,599
Speaker 1: For that first we've seen it.

1087
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:45,559
Speaker 2: WITH trades, i mean even Happened With luka doncic was

1088
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,480
Maybe That nico harrison was out of, his mind but

1089
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:51,360
he was worried about paying, this star like paying.

1090
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:52,679
Speaker 1: This amount of money for a guy in. His, prime

1091
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,239
again that. Was unique yeah that. Was dumb yeah that.

1092
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:57,599
Speaker 2: Was dumb but like now we've seen it now happen

1093
00:53:57,639 --> 00:53:59,920
a few times with trade values or even trades that

1094
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:03,280
haven't happened Because Oh, John moran, LaMelo ball they're still

1095
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,039
On the hornet's not that those teams were actively, shopping

1096
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:07,920
then but doesn't seem like these mega offers were out there.

1097
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,360
For them the Fact That trey young was On the

1098
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,440
hawks as long as he did speaks. To it i'm

1099
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,239
still sort of waiting for. That, first oh this is

1100
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,599
a star kind of in his he's still in.

1101
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:18,599
Speaker 1: His prime but there was a negotiation.

1102
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: Happening here it's not His, fun max it's that In

1103
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,800
between max or Even that thurston contract that He signed

1104
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,960
brunton was that, was, Different, right yeah they would have

1105
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,440
given him the exactly, he's.

1106
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,159
Speaker 1: Yeah but, like that, you're right that. Wasn't negotiation but

1107
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,119
like he took twenty two percent of, the cap that's.

1108
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,039
He was he.

1109
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: Took them he took the max he could, on well

1110
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,280
he could, have waited, and god he could. Have, waited yeah, You're,

1111
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:48,360
RIGHT like i THINK every nba team just applauded Like

1112
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,840
what jalen did because that's that's what they're hoping to

1113
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,039
see out of a lot. Of players, it's, just, oh

1114
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,559
oh like my primary guy is accepting like twenty two

1115
00:54:57,639 --> 00:54:58,639
twenty three percent of the.

1116
00:54:58,679 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: Salary cap.

1117
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:02,039
Speaker 2: THAT'S so i think that was unique though in this

1118
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:07,000
sense of one they employ, his dad and then two

1119
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:10,880
he came from just his career arc was not the Same.

1120
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,440
As trey It's like trey was billed as THIS all

1121
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,800
nba talent from, the Jump and brunson not that he stumbled,

1122
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,360
into stardom but he could him more so than some

1123
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,559
of these other guys can look at it and worry

1124
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:26,800
about the floor for falling out from, Underneath him like

1125
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:29,800
What if i'm just a bad season away from perception.

1126
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:35,079
Speaker 1: Completely flipping this is ALSO why i didn't love The darn, fox,

1127
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,599
Extension honestly like that was a lot of money for

1128
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:41,480
someone who is quickly, approaching.

1129
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: THIRTY right i wonder if now context matters. With everything

1130
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,119
the fact that you don't have To like wemby isn't

1131
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,320
going to be more expensive until the season. After next

1132
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,599
so now you've already ticked off what two years of

1133
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:58,599
That dearon fox extension by then when you start to get,

1134
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:00,400
more expensive is that right?

1135
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: Or wrong there's only one year because you, only, oh sorry. One,

1136
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,800
year yes. You're right So when wempy's new deal hits

1137
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,480
in twenty seven, Twenty eight fox will be rarting almost fifty,

1138
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,320
Four million that will jump to fifty, eight million and

1139
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,880
then chop out at sixty almost sixty.

1140
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,599
Speaker 2: Two million but you get kind of two years Because

1141
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:23,159
so wemmy gets more expensive and then so you have

1142
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,239
a little bit of time so it's like that situation can.

1143
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,880
Game it but you could certainly look at year three

1144
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,800
and four, and, go oh cast, hold exactly we'll be

1145
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,039
more expensive by That point harper as well by the

1146
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:33,320
end of.

1147
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: That, deal yeah but.

1148
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: Maybe they've timed it just right to where you might

1149
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,880
have one or two years because if he's an expiring

1150
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,679
contract in theories at least easier. To move so there

1151
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,119
might be just be one or two. Awkward years but that's,

1152
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:48,159
the exception that's not. The rule this perfect exactly uniquely

1153
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:51,159
built to and it's also just maybe we've seen It.

1154
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:55,320
With houston they negotiated every single Like With, Durant Alprin

1155
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,039
Shangun Jabari, smith junior nobody just came in there and

1156
00:56:59,079 --> 00:56:59,559
got like all.

1157
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:03,559
Speaker 1: His money, all right it's a, good play you. Have

1158
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:06,760
to and here's the thing that people don't seem, to

1159
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,400
understand because a lot of people, are, saying oh, you

1160
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,960
know the salary cap. Keeps increasing, you know players are

1161
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:15,239
just earning so much more raw money now than why

1162
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,320
should players care about the cap percentage and. Et cetera

1163
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,880
there's a level of truth, to that, for sure but

1164
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,840
that's not really why teams are trying to. Avoid this

1165
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,000
it's because of. The aprons it's just important to get that.

1166
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,840
Out there it's it's the aprons that are just handcuffing

1167
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,280
teams to a perverse degree and not in a. Fun

1168
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,199
way so we're looking at a situation where these teams

1169
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,400
just have to find a way to, make themselves, you

1170
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,400
know competitive year, after year and if you're going into

1171
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,039
your third year of being over the, second apron, for

1172
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:54,199
example you're pretty. Much screwed there are not a lot.

1173
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:56,719
Speaker 2: Of, it yeah it's not even it's it's not even

1174
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,360
so much about, the money but the roster building restrictions

1175
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,639
is down to at, that point frozen, draft picks picks

1176
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:04,159
being moved at the end of the, first, round, which

1177
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:06,800
honestly do you think we will ever see that that

1178
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,079
a team will stay in The? Second APRIL that i

1179
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:11,400
kind of just feel like that's. THE taboo i don't

1180
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,679
care whether you think it's gonna Be the Thunder or

1181
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:17,000
boston that's gonna. Do it that feels that feels like.

1182
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,199
A line i don't know that any team is gonna

1183
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:20,760
if there was a.

1184
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,159
Speaker 1: Just emotionally it feels like, you can't.

1185
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,239
Speaker 2: Right because Maybe the thunder own enough of other teams's

1186
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,920
drafts that, they're like you, know what, it's FINE but i.

1187
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: Don't, know yes, it's, grew, yeah no BUT but i

1188
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,079
mean it's just to put a bow on it in

1189
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:39,239
terms of like the. Salary commitments and, LIKE again i

1190
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,639
think going Back to brunson, FOR example i think he

1191
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,239
too acknowledged like this is a ton, of Money like

1192
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,519
i'm Never getting i'm never gonna go broke oft off

1193
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:49,719
of this.

1194
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:54,639
Speaker 2: RIGHT back i JUST like i hate shifting that responsibility onto,

1195
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:56,440
the PLAYERS though i do because.

1196
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: It's yes because of. The, billionaires yeah.

1197
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: At the, same time at the, same time to be,

1198
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,079
completely fair this is collectively bargained and so it is

1199
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:07,920
on the players to something this is what your, representation

1200
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:11,119
negotiated and if you want to be on a, sustainable

1201
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:15,920
contender something Like What jalen brunson did signed. An extension

1202
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:19,000
but even it has to be something Different Than jalen

1203
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:20,119
brunson because he still.

1204
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: Took it wasn't he.

1205
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: Didn't wait he Signed a matt what WAS a max

1206
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,960
extension for him rather than waiting to get more money in,

1207
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,360
free agency it has to be a what is the,

1208
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,199
player That Like, anthony edwards is eligible for more, and

1209
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,920
active like in the moment it takes less. Type deal

1210
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:37,159
not advocating, for That but, i'm wondering is that where

1211
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,079
all this? Is, now hey so we're talking about stars

1212
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:42,480
that are kind of being squeezed out Of the? Max

1213
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:44,480
tire are there going to be names that you would

1214
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,199
pay but they're gonna look, AND say i want to

1215
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:49,119
be on a team that's relevant and don't want to have,

1216
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:51,679
To move i'm gonna need to. Take less we're still

1217
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:53,760
sort of waiting for that right, TO happen.

1218
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,239
Speaker 1: I think, I mean i'm thinking about this more from the,

1219
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,719
Team perspective like there's a guy whose extension is gonna.

1220
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,639
Kick in The fun max is going to kick in

1221
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,239
this Summer where, i'm, like okay YOU know i can

1222
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,599
sort of see It Power, ben carrol like when he's

1223
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:12,000
up for like A real max if that, ever comes

1224
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:14,760
if he's good enough to, earn that which that remains to.

1225
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,000
BE seen i think some.

1226
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: People, might argue we're not even sure if he's going

1227
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,280
to be on A. Fun max it could be a

1228
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,480
not So fun, Max.

1229
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:24,039
Speaker 1: Exactly like that's that's. THE deal i. Don't want that's that's.

1230
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:26,000
A problem i don't want, To have like if he

1231
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:29,239
has a lot of like raw stats and fancies himself

1232
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:32,480
a superstar in twenty nine thirty looking for, An extension

1233
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:37,800
i'm just probably trying to get out of The polab,

1234
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,840
carrol business which which that's still he's still young enough

1235
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,800
to where. You him, but again, YOU know i mean

1236
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,400
the tendencies right now they are not really trending the.

1237
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,400
Right direction there are a lot of. Issues there my

1238
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,800
point is just there, are these as, you said these

1239
01:00:55,679 --> 01:00:59,239
stars who aren't superstars where you kind of have to

1240
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,639
figure out what is the real? Value here, like again

1241
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:04,679
we're talking about forty five million a Year For, tree

1242
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,800
young a guy who was dangerously close at having a

1243
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,639
season where he was averaging thirty.

1244
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:14,159
Speaker 2: And ten, even so this would be a good example of,

1245
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:16,039
a name especially because of the year. He's having let's

1246
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:18,360
say he is two years or three years younger whenever he.

1247
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,079
Signed it he's having the season he's having, right now

1248
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,719
and he's he's still that age when he initially signed.

1249
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: A Deal is Boston giving Jaalen? The? Supermax oh. They shouldn't?

1250
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: They should that's the thing, is like that's if you're,

1251
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,360
not willing then how many of these players would be

1252
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,320
like five.

1253
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,159
Speaker 1: To seven i'm not, probably, yeah yeah.

1254
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: THAT'S yeah, I mean i don't even want to say.

1255
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: That's insane its kind of just is what. It is

1256
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,559
but it's kind of.

1257
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,639
Speaker 2: Bonkers to think that if This Was jalen brown two,

1258
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:52,719
years ago so we're not gonna try to factor the

1259
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:53,760
age change.

1260
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: In here you were, just no can't. Do, THAT yeah

1261
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,559
i DON'T think. I could i DON'T think. I could and,

1262
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,719
You're right and it's that is THE new nba that

1263
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,199
we have to navigate in and that, is difficult by,

1264
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:09,280
the way that is. NOT easy i under this is

1265
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,679
SOMETHING that, i think, you know people like YOU and

1266
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:14,480
i who cover the league and who have podcasts and

1267
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:17,480
who write like this is something that we probably should

1268
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:19,840
spend more, time on just in terms of like fans

1269
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:24,679
following the league and reading free agency news and may not,

1270
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,480
you know be as geey about the salary cap as YOU.

1271
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:31,679
AND i i completely understand my fans react that the

1272
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:34,480
way that they do sometimes when they hear these major

1273
01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:38,039
contracts and then you have us idiots sitting behind a mic, and,

1274
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,199
go well that was actually. Below value how could you

1275
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:44,000
ever settle for only two hundred and? TEN million i

1276
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:47,079
understand why that line of, thinking now because the solar

1277
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:50,960
cap just just exploded over the. Past DECADE like i

1278
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,800
understand why that, sounds crazy but like we really have

1279
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,280
to think in terms of, Cap Percentage Like keith smith

1280
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,760
has been hammering this for. A, year YEAH and i,

1281
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,079
THINK right i Do think I'll Give hardwood.

1282
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: Knox credit like that's how we tried to frame a lot.

1283
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,079
Of things but we're also reaching a, point though where

1284
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:08,000
it transcends that a, little bit because you have to

1285
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:11,320
look at the broader salary picture of, these aprons and

1286
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,559
that's something we could all probably do a. BETTER job,

1287
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,159
i mean fuck. That though how long did it take

1288
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:17,559
for YOU and i to get A hold and like

1289
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:20,079
we're cap dorks and so it's just. This stuff and

1290
01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:22,480
it's ALSO why i understand when fans are just like,

1291
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:24,639
they now they're at the point they don't want to

1292
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:26,960
pay attention to it BECAUSE the nba has twisted itself

1293
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,840
into a pressol making these functional. Logistics absurd, but yeah

1294
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,920
it's this is a very real thing that seems like,

1295
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,000
it's happening And so i'm gonna be interesting to track it,

1296
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,199
moving forward perhaps now more so. Than ever do you

1297
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:41,360
have anything else here or are you ready to tell, the,

1298
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,159
listeners watchers audience members where they can find you and

1299
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:44,800
all the work that.

1300
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,599
Speaker 1: YOU do i don't have anything else outside of this

1301
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,840
was fun. As producial you can find my work Over At.

1302
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:56,880
YAHOO sports i DO the nba podcast you if you Somehow,

1303
01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:00,800
understand damish you can listen to another Podcast Called, buzzer

1304
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,480
beater or you can catch me calling GAMES On. Hbo max.

1305
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,119
Speaker 2: Until, next time and as always we withat the shout

1306
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:10,679
out To, the One, the Only, the indelible just, say

1307
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,760
look if you're, not subscribed GoJ you want to learn

1308
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,360
more about the salary cap or, second aprons go Join

1309
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,039
The Hard one. Knocks discord the link is in the

1310
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:21,000
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1311
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:22,280
spotify YouTube.

1312
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:22,199
Speaker 1: If you have.

1313
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: Not already until, next time and, as always with the

1314
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,679
shout out To, the one, the only, the indelible the

1315
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:28,920
player for whom there.

1316
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,639
Speaker 1: Is no max salary that is. Too High, mister frank

1317
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:32,280
you know