WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.000 But let's talk more youths, talk more college footballer Buddy 2 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:06.400 Josh Furlough from KSL on a Monday Josh, Happy Monday, man. 3 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:06.919 How are we doing. 4 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:09.039 I'm doing well. How about yourself? 5 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:10.279 Good buddy, appreciate the time. 6 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:13.039 So just a macro question, is it possible that we 7 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:15.359 have two elite college football teams in our state? 8 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:18.719 Yeah, I definitely think there is. I mean, I think 9 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:21.440 we b what you did to Kansas State, I mean, 10 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.839 I think that's that's really impressive. I still don't know 11 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:26.960 if we learned a ton about their offense against a 12 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:30.480 really tough team because of all the turnovers, but I 13 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:32.719 think were it's safe to say that their defense is 14 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:35.840 pretty impressive. And it's fun to be able to have 15 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:38.679 a second team in the state that is ranked and 16 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:41.640 in doing well. So I'm curious to see the trajectory 17 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:43.600 of both these teams and kind of how it all 18 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:45.799 shakes out and if it still goes well. I mean 19 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:47.600 that that match up between the two teams at right 20 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:50.439 Cycle Stadium is going to be pretty electric. So you 21 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:52.159 have to like that, you know, as just a fan 22 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:55.479 of of goodness, good sports in the state. Right and 23 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:57.960 so I think it's it's really a fun opportunity to 24 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:00.000 be able to have both teams that are doing really well. 25 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.640 So, Josh, I'm sure you because I've heard from a 26 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:06.480 lot of people both in real life and I try 27 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:08.400 not to live on the intranet, but you know, it's 28 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:10.640 part of the deal, so you get emails, you get dms. 29 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:16.280 Very frustrated with the situation with the lack of information 30 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:19.159 about Cam Rising and Utah football. That of course a 31 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.200 little PTSD from a year ago. And I started out 32 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:26.519 the show today with a simple opinion that Intel coach 33 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.879 Witt is told that he is mandated to report injuries 34 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:32.680 like they do in pro football. He's just going to 35 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:34.840 keep doing this. His job is to win, it's not 36 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.640 to tell you or I who's playing quarterback for him. 37 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:41.280 I understand the frustration, and I do think because of 38 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:43.959 the dynamic that sports are now in bed with gambling 39 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:47.400 partners and gambling apps, at some point there will be 40 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:50.640 enough noise made by business partners or college football to say, look, 41 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.480 there are hundreds of million of dollars on the line 42 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.040 now based off of who is your quarterback. At some 43 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.239 point they're gonna be mandated to do this. But until 44 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.120 they are there. I'm not going to say a word, 45 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:04.239 so give me your thoughts on the entire dynamic. I 46 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:06.359 get the frustration, but I also understand why it is 47 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:07.120 the way that it is. 48 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:11.759 Yeah, you know, as much as Farans want that information, 49 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.400 and trust me, I want that information as well. Having 50 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.240 to spend each and every week trying to sit here 51 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.919 and find the status of the starting QB is not 52 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:24.199 that ideal. Even putting in an injury mandate. I don't 53 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:26.680 know if it's going to change a time, especially with 54 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:27.919 what they want to do. I mean, if you look 55 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.319 at let's say the NBA or the NFL, Yeah, you're 56 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:32.479 gonna have certain metrics to say, Okay, you have to 57 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:34.599 you have to tell it by this time, But most 58 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:36.719 of those times are still a game time decision. So 59 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.120 if Kyle wants to make Cam a game time decision, 60 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:42.039 there's nothing that changes from this Saturday, right, They're going 61 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:43.879 to throw him out there. They're going to see if 62 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.360 he can go. Maybe they have to make the declaration 63 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.120 an hour before instead of five minutes before. But it's 64 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:51.759 one of those things that's going to be exploited no 65 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.759 matter what happens, and so it's just kind of the 66 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:56.520 nature of things, right. I mean, I think they were. 67 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:59.639 They were really optimistic about Cam and being able to 68 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:03.520 get out there, not being able to understand fully how 69 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:05.560 he was going to hill after stitching get out of 70 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.240 his hand, and is tough, and that's why you started 71 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.319 to see Isaac sing Moore reps since the week went on. 72 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:15.360 It's just a tough situation because I don't like on 73 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:17.560 one hand, like I understand people say it's gains and 74 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.120 shit by winning him, and to some extent it is, 75 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.759 but I think they really just wanted to see how 76 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.080 he would respond in practice or not in practice, but 77 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.560 in the pregame's warm up, and that's when you make 78 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.759 your declaration, right, So maybe it forces them to shift 79 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:35.759 this into Friday or some other day, But I don't 80 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:37.599 know that it's really going to go that far away. 81 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:39.840 You know, it's not really going to change anything. Teams 82 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:41.879 are still going to have to scheme for both quarterbacks 83 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:44.840 or whatever injury may be. It just might give us 84 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:46.639 a little bit more clarity, but I don't know that 85 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:48.080 it gives us a ton more. So. 86 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:51.520 As I said earlier, this is where I'm at with it. 87 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.639 There's a real chance. 88 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.919 And I'm not a conspiracy theorist in this space or 89 00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:00.520 other spaces. I just don't have the energy to waste 90 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.759 my time doing such things. But if I had to guess, 91 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.560 he's hurt and they're trying to get him back, and 92 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:07.360 when he's healthy, he'll be back. I mean, I can 93 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:11.520 remember anecdotally a number of years ago when Carlos Boozer 94 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.879 was here and Jazz fans were up in arms about 95 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.079 his inability to stay healthy. I had a conversation with 96 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.199 Scott Layden, who was Jerry's assistant at the time, and 97 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:20.279 I said, what's the deal with Booze? 98 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:22.319 He's like, he just hurt. He's hurt, That's all it is. 99 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:23.759 He's hurt and we're trying to get him back. 100 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.800 That's my best guess here with the Cam stuff, any 101 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:29.879 inside as to where we're at with the progress and 102 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:33.560 potentially who could be under center coming up Saturday against Arizona. 103 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:37.879 Yeah, I think the hard part nowadays in college football 104 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:39.879 is you know, somebody like Cam was going to get 105 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.000 a lot of money from Nil, and so when he 106 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.240 starts missing time, that just kind of causes problems with 107 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:47.000 the fan base that they want to see him play 108 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:50.439 and for good reason, and so then he starts taking 109 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:51.759 a lot of the heat, like, oh, well, he's just 110 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:54.040 sitting out because he can get paid either way. The 111 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.360 reality is is he is hurt. You saw when he 112 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.639 was warming up, he had a glove on and he 113 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.439 was growing fine in terms of being able to make 114 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:04.519 the throws. There were you know, he got it as 115 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:07.040 far as I believe, like forty five maybe close to 116 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:10.040 fifty yards being able to throw in the air without 117 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:13.079 actually people rushing him. But you can tell that there 118 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.839 just wasn't, you know, some velocity there, some zip to 119 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:19.759 the ball he was he kind of had a different 120 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.800 mechanics with his arm where he was just trying to 121 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:24.959 kind of push through the pain, almost like he was 122 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.639 trying to get there. It didn't look like it caught 123 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:29.959 him discomfort in terms of pain, but he was just 124 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.279 a step flow. And so like, I think there's a 125 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.360 world where Cam can play, right, Like, I think he 126 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.720 can go out there and he can play. But they're 127 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.879 looking at this and saying, Isaac is in a spot 128 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.639 where is it ideal to have him against you know, 129 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:48.399 a ranked team in an opposing venue. Know, but he's 130 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:50.959 going to give us a much better shot than camons. 131 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:53.079 I think if this was last year where you had 132 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.000 somebody like a Bryson Barnes or a Nate Johnson or something, 133 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.680 maybe you push it a little bit more. Maybe you say, Okay, Cam, 134 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:00.439 we're going to put you out there, We're going to 135 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.079 rely heavily on this run game and make you just 136 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.959 throw a couple of short passes type thing. But I 137 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:08.079 think they have the luxury now saying you know, we've 138 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:09.879 got Isaac. He's going to make his mistakes, he's going 139 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:12.560 to have his problems, but he's still so much better 140 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.480 than what we've had, and then our defense is gonna, 141 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.639 you know, fix everything else up for us. So I 142 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.519 don't know that this is a situation of Cam saying, 143 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:25.279 you know, he doesn't have the moxie to play, or 144 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:27.040 he's just kind of resting on. No. I mean, this 145 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.120 is a guy that's a competitor. You see him on 146 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:31.839 the field. Literally all the complaints that people have about 147 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:33.759 him is he's too much of a competitor. He wants 148 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:35.399 to be out there, he wants to get in the 149 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:37.600 thick of it. So why can't it flip for him 150 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:39.879 when he's sitting out right like, I'm not here to 151 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.319 defend Cam by any means. But at the same time, 152 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.199 it's a guy that's hurt, He's trying his best. He 153 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.000 wants to be on the field as much as anybody. 154 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.079 It's just a situation where he's just not at one 155 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:48.680 hundred percent. 156 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:50.399 Some good points in there. 157 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:52.680 I do want to follow up because there's always been 158 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:57.360 kind of both an unspoken and spoken rule in media 159 00:06:57.439 --> 00:06:59.800 as it pertains to college athletes, like, look, these are 160 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.759 i'm sures that don't get paid, and they're essentially employees 161 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:06.040 in a sweatshop that's being built on their backs. They 162 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:07.920 don't get a piece of it. So it always felt 163 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.639 a little bit unfair to go at like a nineteen 164 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:14.959 year old who ultimately isn't being paid for what he's 165 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:16.240 doing and he's just doing it. 166 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:16.480 You know. 167 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.480 Obviously scholarship that conversation is a different deal. But to 168 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.079 your point about the money, like it or not, Josh, 169 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:25.399 as you know, it does change the way people are 170 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:29.639 going to view your lack of availability. If the reports 171 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.399 are true, the cameraon rising is making seven figures to 172 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.199 play quarterback for Utah, and a lot of that money 173 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:38.000 is coming from season ticket holders, boosters and alumni. Guess 174 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.959 what those season ticket holders boosters and alumni. 175 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.439 They expect you to play. They just do. 176 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:44.920 Now again, I want to reiterate my point that I 177 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.680 believe he's hurt. You know, so that's the deal. But 178 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:51.399 what are your thoughts on the way that the money 179 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.959 infused And by the way, I'm all for it, always 180 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.560 have been years ago before this was even a reality. 181 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:58.480 I was on this stuff. 182 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.040 But how would you are ticket the way that money 183 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.600 being added to the equation for college athletes has changed 184 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.000 the way that people view their obligation. 185 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:12.240 Yeah, I think this is this has always been the problem, right, 186 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:16.199 not that they're getting paid, but it now gives people 187 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:19.480 the willingness to say that, you know, a player is 188 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.120 just doing it to milk it for the money. There's 189 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:24.959 now an embedded excuse for people to do certain things. 190 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.560 And you know, like, look, I get it, Like I'm 191 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.240 not over here forking over you know, thousands of dollars 192 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.080 to be able to see an athlete play, So I 193 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.600 get it. But at the same time, like, you can't 194 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.360 tell me anybody at Plams level or any of these 195 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.080 other players at this level, if they're not that engaged 196 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.159 in the system, they're not even getting those types of contracts. Anyway, 197 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.159 there's people that love football or love basketball, whatever their 198 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.600 sport they play, and they're going to try their hardest 199 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:54.639 to be there. There's very few, especially at the collegiate level, 200 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.519 that are just going to take plays off at that 201 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.080 level right like they're in there, they're trying. They have 202 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:03.039 aspirations for other things. So, you know, Kim always had 203 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:06.080 a long shot to get to the NFL. Maybe there's 204 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:08.360 a chance he comes in as an am drafted free agent. 205 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.120 All of these things hurt his ability. Now if he 206 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:12.879 doesn't think he's ever going to try out for that 207 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:14.879 and he wants to collect a paycheck and do whatever 208 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:17.240 he wants to, you know, take it up to the Boosters, 209 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:19.240 take whatever, and they can have their words with him. 210 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.120 But this is a guy that wants to be out there. 211 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:23.039 I think it was Chris Camarani wrote his story in 212 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:26.039 The Athletics talking about how how hard it is for 213 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:27.759 him to be able to not be on the field. 214 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:29.799 It's hard on his family to see him not be 215 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:32.080 on the field. I don't think cam goes through that 216 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:35.600 pain and anguish if he's not trying to get back 217 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.080 on the field. The problem is the money masks a 218 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:39.960 lot of that stuff, and so it's easy for people 219 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:41.840 to kind of use that as the front to be 220 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:44.279 able to say, hey, this guy is just milking the clock. 221 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:46.080 You know, he's just trying to get the money, get 222 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.960 the paycheck, and then move on. And sure, he's probably 223 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:50.840 taken a lot of money from people over the last 224 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.399 two years from injuries. But at the same time, if 225 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.559 you're willing to pay a guy who's been injury prone, 226 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.679 that's on you. I mean, like in the most direct way. 227 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.440 Like if you're willing to pay players at the collegiate level, 228 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:03.720 that's what it's gonna be. So there's still a lot 229 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:05.759 that needs to happen at the collegiate level of being 230 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.639 able to pay athletes. You know, maybe there's a similar 231 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.080 situation where in the NFL you have a collective bargaining 232 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:14.399 agreement and your contract is based on how many playing 233 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.600 times whatever that may be. You can have that conversation later, 234 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:19.720 but as it is right now, if you're gonna pay 235 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:21.600 a guy, it doesn't matter if he's on the field 236 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:23.240 or not. That's just the nature of it, and like 237 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.159 to use it as an excuse seems pretty petty. 238 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:29.320 So after the Baylor game, after Cam got hurt, and 239 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:33.159 the conversation leading up to Utah states I didn't know 240 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:36.159 who was going to start, you know, I was pretty 241 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:37.840 confident that that was gonna be Isaac. 242 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:39.559 I was told they were giving him the reps with 243 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:40.039 the ones. 244 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:42.080 By the way, I'm told he's getting the reps with 245 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:43.720 the ones this week, just so you know, at least 246 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:45.200 to start the week, and we'll kind of see what 247 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:47.759 plays out from here. But I said during that week, 248 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.639 whether or not it's Isaac on Saturday, I think it's 249 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.120 probably safe to say that if Utah is gonna win 250 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:55.960 the Big Twelve, Isaac is gonna have to step up 251 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:56.759 for them again. 252 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:58.799 At some point, I did not. 253 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.919 Know it was gonna be instilled, But I still believe 254 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:06.279 they're going to need Isaac to step up to meet 255 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:10.240 more moments, because how can you be confident even if 256 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:12.879 Cam comes back against Arizona then he's just gonna stay healthy. 257 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:15.200 We all want him to be healthy. I don't want 258 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:16.039 him to be injured. 259 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:19.360 But if you've seen enough Josh from Isaac that you're 260 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:21.679 confident that this team can win the Big Twelve even 261 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:23.720 with this eighteen year old true freshman under. 262 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:27.600 Center, I mean, I think it's getting there right. I 263 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.600 still think your best chance is with Cam. You're going 264 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:32.320 to do everything you can to get him on the field. 265 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:35.519 I don't think anybody's really questioning that. But I think 266 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.600 each week, as each week goes on, if Isaac continues 267 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.159 to make progress and he continues to do things, I 268 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.639 don't know that this schedule is super difficult that they 269 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:47.679 couldn't do it without him. Obviously, getting into that title 270 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.679 game and then playing in that title game with Isaac 271 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.360 would be a tough challenge, but I think he's the 272 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:55.519 type of kid that you know, he steps up to it, 273 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:58.039 he's not phased by it. So I think there's the 274 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:02.399 ability is day. Let's say the issue is you have 275 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:06.240 to hit so almost perfectly right, like getting to a championship, 276 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.879 winning a championship, all things kind of have to work 277 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.080 in your favor. And that's even with like a healthy 278 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.759 Cam Rising. You're doing that now with a true freshman. 279 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:15.639 And it's not to say that that can't happen or 280 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:17.440 that he can't lead a team there, and I think 281 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.519 the team rallies around him in a way that it 282 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.919 could work. I just think the ability to be able 283 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.320 to do that, you know, the margin of error is 284 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.559 just so much lower there that you want to be 285 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:30.879 able to see Cam on the field. So, you know, 286 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.080 I think you heard that on College Game Day as well. 287 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:36.679 Kirkirbstreet talked about if Cam Rising plays Utaw easily beat 288 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:38.759 maybe he didn't say easily, but they beat Oklahoma State. 289 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.519 If Isaac played, they don't. I think that's kind of 290 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.960 where you're getting at with this. You know, where Isaac, 291 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:46.639 you may be able to get something. I think people 292 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.200 are starting to believe in it more, especially against in 293 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:52.399 Arizona or in Arizona State, but it's going to be 294 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:54.320 so much harder when you're playing Teams are going to 295 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:56.720 be more different. You know, the Iowa State their defense 296 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.080 is going to be a little bit tougher. That BYU game, 297 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:01.200 that's going to be tougher. Obviously an emotional game with 298 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:03.519 it being against his brother's old school. You know, I 299 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:07.120 think it's possible. I just don't know that it's going 300 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.480 to be as sustainable for Isaac if they can't get 301 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:13.399 Cam back. It's just too much to put on somebody. 302 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.320 Can it happen? Sure? I just don't know that it's 303 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:18.799 a lot a likely opportunity. 304 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:21.480 So Josh, as you know, because I asked you every 305 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:23.519 time you were on the show leading up to the season. 306 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.759 And this is also predicated on things that were discussed 307 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:28.320 publicly from the coaching staff. 308 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:30.960 Is there wasn't a Bell cow back. There are four 309 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.039 or five that they like, Well, maybe there is. 310 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.639 Have we seen enough to know that now Utah clearly 311 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:39.799 has an RB one and Makai's is going to be 312 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:41.879 somewhat of a Bell cow Moving forward. 313 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.840 Yes, with the caveat right, I think they still want 314 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:48.960 to keep him at a lower carry limit. He's obviously 315 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:50.879 getting those number one reps. I don't think there's any 316 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:53.960 question there. They're still putting Mike Mitchell Linn in those 317 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.360 third down scenarios where they need some short yardage just 318 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.480 use his muscle to get in there. But I think 319 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.279 that's a perfect situation for the Mkaia can get in there. 320 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.519 If he can do his work on first and second 321 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.519 down and maybe a third down occasionally, that really gives 322 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.399 you tell what they need in this bellcal back. Right, 323 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:12.480 he's proven that he can do it. Oregon, the Oklahoma 324 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:15.240 State excuse me is probably one of the toughest defenses 325 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:17.519 that they're going to face this year. There's others but 326 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:19.720 it's going to be on par with that, and if 327 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.960 he can do it against a team like that, that 328 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.840 kind of shows his vision and his ability. I mean 329 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:27.240 the fact that he's out there stiff arming guys and 330 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.279 he's breaking tackles and then doing in his little stutter 331 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:31.879 step to make guys miss bilk. He's got the talent 332 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:33.679 to do it, it's now just replicating it on a 333 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:36.159 week to week basis, and so I think him getting 334 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.480 that confidence, he's supremely confident in himself. I think that 335 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.200 bodes well. And if they can continue to get that 336 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.519 out of him, yeah, one hundred percent, he's that guy. 337 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:46.679 But it's still never going to be the you know, 338 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.519 the Zach Moss or the chaquindin Jackson where he was 339 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.360 going to get thirty thirty five carries a game. It's 340 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.039 going to be much more tempered to try to make 341 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.600 sure that he gets you know, good touches, but it's 342 00:14:57.639 --> 00:14:59.159 not going to be so much that they wear him 343 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:00.720 out by the time the end of the Steven comes 344 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:05.360 and then you're stuck with nobody out there. So it's 345 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.639 definitely moving past that running back by committee. But I 346 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:11.600 think it's still going to be one where they watch 347 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:13.559 and are careful so that they're not over using him 348 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.399 because they just the depth from Mackay to the next 349 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.720 guys at this point is pretty drastic. And some of 350 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.360 that as Mike Mitchell being injured so he hasn't been 351 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.159 able to see the field as much. But you've got 352 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:27.039 to keep him healthy to keep that run game going. 353 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:28.320 No, Karen A. 354 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.440 Reid, But the defense did what the defense usually does 355 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.679 when the head coach is who it is, the defensive 356 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:36.279 coordinator is who it is. They did go, you know, 357 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.240 prevent to soften it up a little bit at the 358 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:40.879 end to make sure they ran out the clock to 359 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:42.600 get the win, and it got loose a little bit, 360 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.200 But for three and a half quarters, Josh, the defense 361 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:45.879 was really solid. 362 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:47.039 What stod out most to you. 363 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.159 I did, honestly, the secondary was what I was most impressed. 364 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:55.000 Utah put a ton of pressure on them in the 365 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:57.320 box and obviously stopped Allie Gordon. All that was great, 366 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.159 and I don't want to take away from that, but 367 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.919 I think what I was most impressed by was how 368 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.399 good those dbs were able to lock up these wide 369 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.360 receivers that everybody comes in and talks about as being 370 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:09.720 some of the best in the conference. You really didn't 371 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:11.919 get a ton of yardage from them, and ye had 372 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.559 you know, each of them had about fifty yards and 373 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.799 most of that came in that that those last two drives. 374 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:20.799 But these dvs did a phenomenal job of being able 375 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:24.039 to lock them down. You know, Ala that Gilman, he 376 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.360 had one of the best coverage grades of the week. 377 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:28.960 You know, he did really well being able to protect 378 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:31.200 them there, being able to see what needed to go. 379 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:35.240 You have Smith Snowden that continues to improve, Elijah Davis, 380 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:38.120 Phoebe Davis. You know, he's really come on for Kenan 381 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:42.360 Johnson and become a viable starting caliber guy. Him mixed 382 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.480 with Cam Calhoun. This is a position group that you know, 383 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.000 we were really worried about coming into this, especially when 384 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:50.759 Kennon went down, and I've been really impressed with what 385 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.120 they've been able to do. It's not perfect by any means. 386 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.679 I think there's you know, some things that they still 387 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.840 need to correct and teams can can absolutely find ways 388 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:02.240 to ski against that. But to do that against these 389 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:05.279 wide receivers that Oklahoma State had shows the potential that 390 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:06.839 they have and I think that was probably the most 391 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.160 impressive asset of the defense despite a lot of things 392 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:14.160 going on that allowed this defense team to do really well. 393 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.480 All right, Arizona rolls into town and they're coming off 394 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.400 of bye and last time we saw Arizona they just 395 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:24.279 were bullied around by k State, who got smoked by byu. 396 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:29.200 Utah fourteen point favorite at home against Arizona. Based off 397 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:31.839 of the data that we have so far, this feels 398 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.599 like what should be an easy Utah win at home. 399 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:37.759 Give me your thoughts on this game coming up Saturday 400 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:40.079 night late KIK fifteen on ESPN. 401 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.799