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<v Speaker 1>Ladies, gentlemen, Theays and Dems. It's officially the eve of Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jacko, and for the remaining two days

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<v Speaker 1>I will continue to be your master of ceremonies here

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<v Speaker 1>for Halloween Week with Wicked and Grim, the tales have

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<v Speaker 1>turned and twisted through urban legends, haunted places, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course murders. However, today we have a tale that will

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<v Speaker 1>twist and turn even more than you can expect.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay to the end.

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<v Speaker 1>To heed just how this will upset every aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>your mind and what your perspective is on this murderous case.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we dive into the details that will lead us

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<v Speaker 1>to such resolve, I must introduce your illustrious hosts, without

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<v Speaker 1>further ado, introducing Ben and Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Halloween Week. My name's Ben.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 2>Grim, a true crime podcast, and today I'm drinking tea.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're both drinking tea. It's very nice.

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<v Speaker 2>We did a Halloween live for carving pumpkins on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was awesome and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Had some drinks there and so now it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a calmer evening with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, we announced a contest actually while we're carving pumpkins,

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<v Speaker 3>we do want to share about.

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<v Speaker 2>That, sure, so over on Instagram. If you go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and post a picture of your carve pumpkin in an

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram story and tag us, we'll check it out and

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<v Speaker 2>that'll immediately enter you into a giveaway. Do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to tell them the prize and the giveaway?

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually a pretty ep at prize. We're doing a

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<v Speaker 3>Jacko blanket to the way, like that is so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So a big old fluffy blanket that you can curl

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<v Speaker 2>up with with a big old picture of Jacko on

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<v Speaker 2>the front.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not a skill based pumpkin carving contest. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a you enter your pumpkin and your name's in

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<v Speaker 2>the draw. As simple as that.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah, So anyone can enter as long as you

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<v Speaker 2>carve a pumpkin and tag us in an Instagram story.

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<v Speaker 2>Simple as that. Perfect, And then we'll announce the winner

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<v Speaker 2>on Halloween, which is tomorrow when we do another Instagram live.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, it's just like getting close, hey it is.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been a whirlwind. Halloween week is always super

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<v Speaker 2>busy for us, of course, episode after episode, but we

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<v Speaker 2>love doing it. It's so fun. So thank you guys

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<v Speaker 2>for amazing support this whole way.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an awesome week. This afternoon, we also watched The Shining.

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<v Speaker 2>We did.

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<v Speaker 3>We did look at Us watching? Was is that considered

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<v Speaker 3>a horror movie?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a psychological thriller technically.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at us go, well, look at me go. You're

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<v Speaker 3>more into that than I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're they're cool movies regardless.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was actually good. I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was here's Johnny gotta love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Classic, classic, and see I didn't really know where that

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<v Speaker 3>was from before.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you not seen The Shining?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I haven't watched many spooky films. Really, we should.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch another one tonight, let's do it. Which which one

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<v Speaker 2>should it be?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to think on that, think of a

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<v Speaker 2>good classic one to throw on. Yeah, maybe like a

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<v Speaker 2>Friday the thirteenth. Have you seen those ones?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I've seen because there's more than one right,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, so I feel like I've seen some. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>like just just look at the list that we put

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<v Speaker 3>out last year. I'm like the movies and maybe pick

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<v Speaker 3>one off there because we did we did a list

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<v Speaker 3>last year of the best I.

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<v Speaker 2>Forgot all about that list. Oh did you I think

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<v Speaker 2>we should have done one this year too, Yeah, did

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<v Speaker 2>one last year.

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<v Speaker 3>That's okay. Yeah, we can even re share that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll take a look at that list and see

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<v Speaker 2>what else we should watch. Yeah, well, I think we

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<v Speaker 2>should get onto this case. We shouldn't BLib lab too much.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's even a word, I don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think we carry onto this case. It's a Wicked and

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<v Speaker 2>Graham terminology. Official in the dictionary. It means blabbing, if

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<v Speaker 2>you blid blab.

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<v Speaker 3>To blab onwards and onwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it means to blab excessively on the introduction of

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<v Speaker 2>your podcast episode. That's what it's official definition.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's dictionary, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, no more blid blabbing. Let's get into this case.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>You ready, I am so. As Jacko alluded, there is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a twist at the end of this,

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<v Speaker 2>so be prepared for that.

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<v Speaker 3>And he said stay till the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So yeah, without further ado, let's let's let's do this. So.

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<v Speaker 2>This is known as the Alice Killings, and it takes

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<v Speaker 2>place in Japan. Oh, okay, so this took place between

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine and two thousand and five. Now, a

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<v Speaker 2>series of five murders occurred. Sorry, I gotta like it.

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<v Speaker 3>Just my microf out here. Wasn't actually that long ago?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it wasn't. So the five killings on their own

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<v Speaker 2>didn't seem really connected in any way to authorities. They

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<v Speaker 2>may never have actually drawn a line from one to

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<v Speaker 2>the other because they were so different, really, had it

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<v Speaker 2>not been for a calling card that was left behind

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<v Speaker 2>at each of the crime scenes. So the killer would

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<v Speaker 2>leave a random playing card at each scene in a

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<v Speaker 2>very conspicuous location. Now, that in itself is probably enough.

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<v Speaker 2>But the card had something very specific pick tying them

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<v Speaker 2>all together.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it was written right on the face of

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<v Speaker 2>the card, and it would contain the name Alice, and

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<v Speaker 2>it would be written in the victim's blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, gross, I hate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So if that's not and of course that's where

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<v Speaker 2>it gets the nickname the Alice Killings.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. So it would just say Alice in

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<v Speaker 3>the victim's blood, correct, Wow, Okay, as simple as.

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<v Speaker 2>That, just just Alice. And then people were asking who

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck is Alice? I think that went over yet.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a song I know, Alice, Alice. I was thinking, Alice,

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<v Speaker 3>are you okay? I made it better? Alice, are you okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember who sings it, but the song goes

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<v Speaker 2>Alice Alice?

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<v Speaker 3>Who the fuck is Alice? I have living.

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<v Speaker 2>Next door to Alice Alice? Yeah yeah, so so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>left police wondering who the fuck is Alice? So well,

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<v Speaker 2>this story starts, out of course with our first victim. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this victim was twenty nine year old restaurant to her

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<v Speaker 2>and like I said, this is Japans. These are Japanese names.

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<v Speaker 2>Sasaki Megumi, okay. Now, she was known for being a

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<v Speaker 2>great cook and chef and dedicated to her work as

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<v Speaker 2>a restaurant owner. So those who knew her described her

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<v Speaker 2>as headstrong with a short temper and sharp tongue when

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with her employees. But by the sounds of it,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she was like a bad boss or

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<v Speaker 2>like a mean individual by any means. It seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>she was just very passionate about her job and wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to ensure that others weren't harming the business. That she

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<v Speaker 2>was pouring her heart and soul into kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't judge anyone for that. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're sitting here trying to run a business and open

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<v Speaker 2>a restaurant, you wanted to succeed, and then you have

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<v Speaker 2>like a cook or a server that comes in and

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<v Speaker 2>they're just being a douche canoo. Yeah, of course you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get a sharp tongue towards him, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Restaurants like the restaurant in the street's very competitive, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and it's a high rate of failure for

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<v Speaker 2>a new restaurant to open.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's stressful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So anyways, one night, Sasaki was attending a party

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<v Speaker 2>at her friend's house. She was having some drinks, hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out and most importantly, unloading some of that stress that

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<v Speaker 2>comes along with being a business owner and entrepreneur.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, very important to do that more often.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important for everyone to relax in.

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<v Speaker 3>Some way shape r I know, but especially like being

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<v Speaker 3>a business owner. Sometimes it's just it's hard to not

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<v Speaker 3>be a workaholic.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So as the evening went on, the drinks kept coming,

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<v Speaker 2>and according to eyewitnesses who were at the party who

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<v Speaker 2>have friends and everything. She was a little bit too

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<v Speaker 2>drunk to drive. She definitely shouldn't have been driving home,

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<v Speaker 2>and she probably shouldn't be going home on her own.

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<v Speaker 2>Regardless of the situation, several people offered to drive her

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<v Speaker 2>home or a company or on the route home to

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<v Speaker 2>ensure she made it nice and safe, but for one

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<v Speaker 2>reason or another she refused. Dang, my thought is probably

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a pride thing, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>No I got this like, she's an a restaurant owner,

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<v Speaker 2>she's an entrepreneur. She probably got a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>So well, honestly that makes sense too. And honestly, terms,

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<v Speaker 3>if you haven't had a few too many drinks though,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd think you're still fine when you're not. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I can make it home, like, yeah, don't worry about me.

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<v Speaker 2>So, for one reason or another, she did refuse the offers,

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<v Speaker 2>and she left the party, walking off into the night

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<v Speaker 2>by herself at about one am. This was the last

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<v Speaker 2>time she was ever seen a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Dang saw that coming for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So the following day, her body was found in some

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<v Speaker 2>woods only about a mile from her house. Shit A

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<v Speaker 2>couple was walking down the overgrown path when they came

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<v Speaker 2>across a huge stain of blood in the dirt in

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<v Speaker 2>front of them. Now, thinking someone may be hurt and

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<v Speaker 2>in need of assistance or help in some way, they

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<v Speaker 2>followed the trail of blood a short distance and just

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<v Speaker 2>up ahead of them her body was found. No, she

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<v Speaker 2>had been torn to pieces suits various parts of her

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<v Speaker 2>body was scattered around with organs and more strung up

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<v Speaker 2>hanging from branches of trees.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you fucking me?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the story says.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it was not a pretty sight. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a brutal scene, especially for someone just kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>on a stroll in the woods.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that's brutal and like, oh what she went through? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So after authorities were called and the investigation began,

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<v Speaker 2>they found a playing card, the Jack of Spades, with

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<v Speaker 2>the word Alice written in her blood, and the card

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<v Speaker 2>was found crammed into her mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the only thing the killer left behind. No DNA,

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<v Speaker 2>no murder weapon, no footprints, no forensic evidence was ever

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<v Speaker 2>found from this case. Only the playing card.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me this case is a solved one. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say that without giving away the twist at

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<v Speaker 3>Kat.

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<v Speaker 2>The second victim was a young man named Yamain Akioh

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<v Speaker 2>now Yumaine was the singer of a small time band

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<v Speaker 2>just like any young aspiring artist, right so, currently they

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<v Speaker 2>Yamaine's friends described him as a kind of soul who

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<v Speaker 2>may have had a loud voice while performing, but would

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<v Speaker 2>February of two thousand and one, Yamaine went missing and

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<v Speaker 2>was last seen in his own department. His friends and

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<v Speaker 2>bandmates were the last ones to see him there. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the investigation led authorities to look through security cameras that

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<v Speaker 2>was operating in the property. One of the cameras were

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<v Speaker 2>pointed towards his apartment entrance. On the footage, they saw

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<v Speaker 2>a man with a hood covering his face force his

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<v Speaker 2>way into the apartments. Then a few minutes later, the

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<v Speaker 2>individual is seen exiting the building. This time, however, he

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<v Speaker 2>is carrying a large white garbage bag and apparently there

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<v Speaker 2>is slight movements coming from inside the bag.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy, Okay, how can you just carry a body in

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<v Speaker 3>a garbage bag like that? Oat?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there's questions around that for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and then it also seems like this person like

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<v Speaker 3>he's targeting someone and he knew them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you will definitely see if there is a there's

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<v Speaker 2>a correlation to targeting this individual here in a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see this. No matter how hard they looked into

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<v Speaker 2>the footage and asked around, no one is able to

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<v Speaker 2>identify the strange person, and Jamaine continued to remain missing.

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<v Speaker 2>A week into the investigation, police got a phone call

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<v Speaker 2>from a local bar where Yumaine and his band often play.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside the bar, the owner had found ya.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean passed away deceased.

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<v Speaker 2>He was found sitting at one of the tables with

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<v Speaker 2>his vocal cords ripped out, laying on the table in

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<v Speaker 2>front of him, and he had been shot in the head. Holy,

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<v Speaker 2>So this individual would have clearly known that this is

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<v Speaker 2>a place where he performed. Yeah, vocal cords clearly knows

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<v Speaker 2>he's a vocal artist. So clearly there is something there

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<v Speaker 2>now in his hands. Authorities found a playing card clasped

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<v Speaker 2>in his fingers, and the playing card was the King

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<v Speaker 2>of Diamonds, and on that card in his blood.

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<v Speaker 3>It said Alice.

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<v Speaker 2>Alice. After his death, the musician group broke up and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to replace their vocal artists, so they just

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's really sad. This is I mean, not that,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean for both these victims. It's both of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Seemed like they just had so much promise ahead of them, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that just got completely taken away.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. So the third victim was a teenage girl

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<v Speaker 2>named Kai Sakura. She was kind pretty well liked by

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<v Speaker 2>her classmates and she was reported missing by her parents

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<v Speaker 2>and her remains would be found two days after the

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<v Speaker 2>report was filed. She was buried and discovered in a

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<v Speaker 2>shallow grave that was marked with a stick stuck out

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<v Speaker 2>on the fresh dirt that was on top of where

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<v Speaker 2>she laid. Now, on top of the stick that was

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<v Speaker 2>stuck into the ground, there was a playing car.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh shit, Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>The Queen of Clubs was attached at the top with

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<v Speaker 2>the bloody name Alice once again written on it. When

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<v Speaker 2>she was exhumed, it was found that she was brutally mutilated.

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<v Speaker 2>She had suffered a horrible death, as her eyes had

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<v Speaker 2>been cut out and was skinned alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Wo oh seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>On her head a crown had been sewn into place,

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<v Speaker 2>and a note was left laying on top of her body. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>most of it was incoherent words and phrases, but a

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<v Speaker 2>few were eligible, and they read death is a distorted dream.

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<v Speaker 2>It will always rule, and the one who died is lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Hm.

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<v Speaker 3>Who the fuck is doing this? Hey? Because these are

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<v Speaker 3>just like more than just kills, Like it's quite disturbing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very disturbing what this person is doing to these people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so where's your head at on this? Because, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, remember, there is a major twist at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think you're going to see it coming.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know, because like it doesn't really seem

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<v Speaker 3>like these people are connected and like he's a serial killer,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're also not very close together necessarily the murders,

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<v Speaker 3>because this was a span over like five years or

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<v Speaker 3>so when he did five right.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, six years I believe, nineteen ninety ninety, two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and five.

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<v Speaker 3>I have absolutely no idea what the twist could be like,

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea. Is it that it was like

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<v Speaker 3>a police officer?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>No, definitely not.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh, I have no idea, no idea, Hey, Like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm going to be like, oh I

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<v Speaker 3>should have known.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, because it's so left field. Okay, So that

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<v Speaker 2>is the first three victims. The next two victims were

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<v Speaker 2>young Hayoto and hina Oshiro. On April fourth of two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, the two young brothers oh my, found

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<v Speaker 2>laying in their beds sleeping brutal but the only problem

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<v Speaker 2>is their parents couldn't wake them up. It was found

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<v Speaker 2>that they died in the middle of the night and

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<v Speaker 2>they were subject to a lethal injection of an unknown substance.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a puncture wound was found on the back of

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<v Speaker 2>both of their hands.

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<v Speaker 3>Seriously, this see none of these I can't even see

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<v Speaker 3>connection to any of them. So I'm struggling here. And

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<v Speaker 3>their bodies were just looked pretty much the same, except

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<v Speaker 3>that they had this puncture wound and were injected with

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<v Speaker 3>a poison.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct now, of course, like there was a playing card

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<v Speaker 2>found of the scene too, though, Yeah, the Ace of

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<v Speaker 2>Spades with the same bloody name written on it was

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<v Speaker 2>ripped in half and each brother had clasped one half

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<v Speaker 2>half in their hands.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. Okay, those poor parents. This is a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, arguably this there is. You could argue that there's

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<v Speaker 2>six victims because the trauma and loss of both their

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<v Speaker 2>children drove the mother to commit suice shortly later. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>left the father alone now because.

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<v Speaker 3>That's these were their only two children.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Holy shit?

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<v Speaker 2>It was haunted by the loss of his family and

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<v Speaker 2>was forced to seek psychological care, hence mental health problems

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<v Speaker 2>that followed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's too much for anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>So shortly after the death of the two brothers, police

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<v Speaker 2>managed to make their first arrest, The first and only arrest,

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<v Speaker 2>a homeless man by the name of Suzuko Utah who

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<v Speaker 2>had a history of mental health problems. And he stated

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<v Speaker 2>that he could not remember where he was during any

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<v Speaker 2>time of any of these murders. Okay, this, however, isn't

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<v Speaker 2>grounds for Suzuko to get arrested. Really, Oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where I was, right, and I've got some history

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<v Speaker 2>of mental health issues. It was found, however, that Suzuko

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<v Speaker 2>was wearing the jacket that belonged to one of the

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<v Speaker 2>individuals who was murdered. It was the jacket of the

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<v Speaker 2>aspiring musician yamay Akio. Now, further examination and tests that

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<v Speaker 2>were run on the jacket found that there were red specs,

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<v Speaker 2>and those red specs were Yemane's blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but I feel like it could have just been

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<v Speaker 3>left on the ground or could have ended up being

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<v Speaker 3>like less somewhere or donated or something like. I feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's the problem. Suzuko swore he never stole the jacket,

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<v Speaker 2>he claimed, and I quote a demon man dressed in

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<v Speaker 2>black who had no face, oh, gave it to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, who had no face? What does that even mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Good question?

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds horrible. Yeah, Like I'm thinking he was just

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<v Speaker 3>wearing a mask or something. Maybe well it.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be that, or he couldn't have seen his face

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<v Speaker 2>or who knows what, or maybe he had some scarring

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<v Speaker 2>or I don't know, but that's that's a quote. A

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<v Speaker 2>demon man dressed in black who had no face gave

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<v Speaker 2>it to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, And like he was probably giving that away in

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<v Speaker 3>for a reason, right, for a reason of just throwing

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<v Speaker 3>the place off.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be I mean, that's if that is the case,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a smart move, right, an individual taking something from

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<v Speaker 2>the scene, giving it to someone else, ensuring that they

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<v Speaker 2>can't see my face, they don't know who I am,

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<v Speaker 2>to throw them off, and being like they're now they

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<v Speaker 2>have a lead, they're gonna chase this guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's smart.

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<v Speaker 2>However, a homeless man might not be the best person,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean, only luck would really tie fish or

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<v Speaker 2>authorities to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but who else would even necessarily want it? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>True? I mean maybe you should plant it somewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>someone's car.

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<v Speaker 3>Or something, I guess, But if I found a jacket

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<v Speaker 3>just planted in my car, I'd probably just be like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the frig and donate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Or throw in the garbage. I mean, authorities searching a

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<v Speaker 2>friend's car or something, and they don't even know it's there,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, ye, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's my thought on if I were to throw

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<v Speaker 2>them off with false evidence, I would probably plant it

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere rather than just being like random homeless guy who

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they find it. Yeah, I'd put it somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Where I betterly was concerned that the homeless person was cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe and I was just like, here, that's true. We

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<v Speaker 2>might have a very forgiving murder, murdering individual with no

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he sounds like a plain monster. So I

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<v Speaker 3>can't think of him doing any good. But I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>like throwing it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, at any rate, no claim on how he

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<v Speaker 2>obtained the jacket was ever able to be proven, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it be by officials or Suzuka himself. Okay, so police

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<v Speaker 2>had let him go. They didn't have anything on him

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. Even still, as it turns out, though,

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<v Speaker 2>many witnesses were able to confirm Suzuka's whereabouts, even if

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't remember himself. Yeah. On one night, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the murders, he was five miles away at

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<v Speaker 2>a shelter location.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so he seems like he's a clear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's kind of in the clear. Police have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>on him. It's just kind of like, how did he

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<v Speaker 2>end up with this jacket? It's kind of strange, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And his mental problems prevent him from really knowing where

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<v Speaker 2>he was or recalling any.

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<v Speaker 3>Information, which is sad for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So he was the only suspect ever in the

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<v Speaker 2>case of the Alice killings, and the case remains a

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<v Speaker 2>mystery to this day, Oh you're serious.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you were gonna be like in to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, truthfully, here's the twist. You ready for this?

431
00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:36.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm ready? Yeah? I really want to know.

432
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<v Speaker 2>There are no such killings in Japan. There is no

433
00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.519
<v Speaker 2>such thing as the Alice killings. Huh, these never happened?

434
00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.920
<v Speaker 2>What or at least nothing where any records are there

435
00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to prove?

436
00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:51.759
<v Speaker 3>Really?

437
00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Really? Now, the problem is there is this story that exists.

438
00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:01.240
<v Speaker 2>I researched this story. Okay, yeah, now for a story

439
00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:06.079
<v Speaker 2>to not ever have happened. There is some extreme details

440
00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:07.799
<v Speaker 2>depicting this case.

441
00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it sounds like this legitly happened.

442
00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.599
<v Speaker 2>There are names, there are dates, there are locations, which

443
00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.079
<v Speaker 2>lead many people to ask questions, how come we know

444
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.400
<v Speaker 2>so much? Is it just a completely fabricated story or

445
00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:25.079
<v Speaker 2>is there more to it behind it, such as like

446
00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:29.559
<v Speaker 2>a cover up? But there are no recorded cases of

447
00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:31.839
<v Speaker 2>these ever occurring in Japan?

448
00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:37.319
<v Speaker 3>Can my head hurts? This is confusing? This isn't This

449
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.799
<v Speaker 3>is something I would have never guessed.

450
00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was telling you. It's a complete fucking twist.

451
00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's no way I would have gotten that. Ever.

452
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.519
<v Speaker 2>Ever, your face is fucking hilarious.

453
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm just like what I feel like I need

454
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:53.720
<v Speaker 3>an advilmwds now to trying to figure this out.

455
00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Take a sip of tea.

456
00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:55.920
<v Speaker 3>Geez.

457
00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, whether or not this case is true or false,

458
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the fact remains there is no evidence. I mean basically

459
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:07.880
<v Speaker 2>what it says is there's as much evidence as this

460
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.480
<v Speaker 2>case as there is the Lockness Monster. This as as

461
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>far as right now, it's just an urban legend.

462
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Wow, a very very turban legend.

463
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:20.160
<v Speaker 2>This is as if the Lockness Monster, we were able

464
00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:22.039
<v Speaker 2>to say how long it was, how much it weighed,

465
00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:25.559
<v Speaker 2>the color of its skin, color of its eyes, where

466
00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>it lived, what it ate like. That's how comparatible this is.

467
00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:31.920
<v Speaker 3>So this doesn't make any sense.

468
00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean this this is a bit of a

469
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.640
<v Speaker 2>shorter episode today here, but before we do wrap this up,

470
00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.759
<v Speaker 2>we I do need to mention one more thing, okay,

471
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of another twist.

472
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I don't know if I can take anymore.

473
00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:50.720
<v Speaker 2>There was a murderer in Spain who operated in two

474
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:54.519
<v Speaker 2>thousand and three. He was convicted of killing six people

475
00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>and left playing cards at his crime scene. His name

476
00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:04.119
<v Speaker 2>was Alfred or sorry Alfredo Galan, and he is known

477
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:07.519
<v Speaker 2>as the Playing Card Killer. He has since been sentenced

478
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.759
<v Speaker 2>to one hundred and forty two years in prison and

479
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:17.880
<v Speaker 2>potentially is the inspiration for the Alice Killings and its story.

480
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Hmm, but he the Alice Okay, So, like the story

481
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:28.519
<v Speaker 3>came out after two thousand and three, basically.

482
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can't. I couldn't find anywhere that's said

483
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:39.200
<v Speaker 2>when this story came out. However, the last Alice killing

484
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:42.680
<v Speaker 2>was in two thousand and five, right, yeah, so potentially

485
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:44.799
<v Speaker 2>this whole story did come out later.

486
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:51.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, huh, Okay, It's very odd that there's so much detail.

487
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:55.759
<v Speaker 3>It they sound it sounds believable that these events happened.

488
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't it. So there is literally no clear indication if

489
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>it's true, whether that this case of the Playing Card

490
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Killer from Spain actually inspired this. There is no clear

491
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:10.000
<v Speaker 2>indication if this is real, false, just an urban legend,

492
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:13.799
<v Speaker 2>or a fucking creepy pasta someone wrote up. All we

493
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:18.720
<v Speaker 2>know is there are stories, consistent stories with consistent names

494
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:23.759
<v Speaker 2>and details on these individuals, and it's called the Alice Killings.

495
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:26.839
<v Speaker 3>Like even to the extent the one where the two

496
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.960
<v Speaker 3>boys died and the mom ends up committing suicide and

497
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.720
<v Speaker 3>the dad needs psychiatric help from what he went through. Like,

498
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:40.519
<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, yep, huh wow, Okay, I feel like

499
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.640
<v Speaker 3>you just took us through the ringer here I did.

500
00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:44.160
<v Speaker 3>That's through the ringer. I don't know.

501
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's the case of the Alice killings. Like I

502
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 2>said bit shorter today. Yeah, but I think this is

503
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>a worthwhile story on discussing, and I kind of want

504
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:54.920
<v Speaker 2>to discuss the idea of urban legends a little bit here,

505
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:56.559
<v Speaker 2>just one on one, unscripted. I don't have any more

506
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 2>written down, so I kind of want to discuss urban

507
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:01.160
<v Speaker 2>legends with you. One of the reasons why I wanted

508
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>to cover this a because when I first heard of

509
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.119
<v Speaker 2>this story, I thought it was true. When I started

510
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 2>looking into it, that's when I only realized it's an

511
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:13.200
<v Speaker 2>urban legend, okay. And Two, I want to present you

512
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.319
<v Speaker 2>with this because you did guess the urban legends the

513
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>other day correctly, So I wanted to three for a

514
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 2>big loop and fuck you up.

515
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, if you had put this one in there,

516
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.599
<v Speaker 3>I would definitely have thought this was true.

517
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I did think about it, yeah, if I'm being honest,

518
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.079
<v Speaker 2>because I did discover this while I was researching a

519
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 2>bunch of cases to bring up for Halloween. So, but

520
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.400
<v Speaker 2>one of the things I wanted to ask you is

521
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:41.400
<v Speaker 2>if there's any urban legends that you know of off

522
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:42.519
<v Speaker 2>the top of your head.

523
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh, my gosh, off the top of my head.

524
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes, because I know like there's there's lots like there

525
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.640
<v Speaker 2>is Lockness Monster, there is Bigfoot, for example, or Sasquatch.

526
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>We actually have one here in BC, the ogo pogram.

527
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that. As you were chatting here, that came

528
00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:58.519
<v Speaker 3>to my mind.

529
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I kind of I don't know, do you

530
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:03.799
<v Speaker 2>believe in the yoga pogo?

531
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, there was this Okay, this was just

532
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 3>recently in the new Shit. I should have sent it

533
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.400
<v Speaker 3>to you, but I think it was Okanagan Lake. And

534
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:13.559
<v Speaker 3>did you see that photo?

535
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:14.359
<v Speaker 2>I did see it.

536
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it almost looked like it was like a wolf

537
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.480
<v Speaker 3>or something underwater, but it had horns or something.

538
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So there is a new photo that was taken

539
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:27.160
<v Speaker 2>this month. Yeah, in the Okanagan Lake that people are

540
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.559
<v Speaker 2>saying is the yoga pogo. Yeah, there's like horns poking

541
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:31.680
<v Speaker 2>up out of the top of the water.

542
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.359
<v Speaker 3>It's super bizarre. And the face I can kind of

543
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.039
<v Speaker 3>see it, I guess in a sense. But then where's

544
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the thing's body.

545
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the idea is that it's like it's

546
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 2>neck is going down into the water.

547
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 3>And oh, oh my gosh. I mean I did zoom

548
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:47.640
<v Speaker 3>into the photo and it was incredibly alarming. I could

549
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>hardly look at it. It was a bit much for me.

550
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that photo is complete bullshit because to me,

551
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.960
<v Speaker 2>those two individuals who took the photo, they're like twenty

552
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.599
<v Speaker 2>feet away from it in the middle of the lake,

553
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.680
<v Speaker 2>right yeah, and they're like the only capture one photo,

554
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 2>and then they just took off like fuck off.

555
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.200
<v Speaker 3>And that's why I think that this thing, they would

556
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.000
<v Speaker 3>have been able to see some more of the bottom. Yeah.

557
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, the claim was that they were sitting there in

558
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 2>the lake, they saw this thing, they took a photo.

559
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:14.599
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't moving, it looked like it was sleeping, so

560
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:16.319
<v Speaker 2>they left because they thought it would be dangerous.

561
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, I would probably fuck off. Would you really want

562
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 3>to investigate that?

563
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.440
<v Speaker 2>If it's the fucking og pogo, I'm getting right up

564
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.200
<v Speaker 2>to it. I'm gonna be poking it with a fucking

565
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 2>fishing net fishing pole.

566
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 3>Would you be going the water?

567
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.039
<v Speaker 2>No? No, I would be like ready to drive away

568
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.240
<v Speaker 2>in the boat, and I would be like getting close,

569
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.559
<v Speaker 2>I'd be filming, I'd be getting all the evidence. I

570
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>could not just one si I photograph.

571
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 3>It does seem interesting.

572
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.359
<v Speaker 2>The one single photograph makes me say, no, that's not

573
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>real because you had an opportunity to get so much

574
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and you only took one photograph.

575
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Because nowadays, I mean, it's so easy just to take

576
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.680
<v Speaker 3>a million photos or a video on your phone.

577
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Right.

578
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:56.279
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like a piece of wood or

579
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.319
<v Speaker 2>something floating in the water and they're like, hey, what

580
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:00.119
<v Speaker 2>is that and took a picture and just happened to

581
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>catch an angle where it looks odd like it could

582
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.079
<v Speaker 2>be the yoga pogo, And then they released it and

583
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, we saw the yoga pogo, and they're

584
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>completely bullshitting. That's my thought, so fuck them. I think

585
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>it's false.

586
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know, but yeah, other than that,

587
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:15.200
<v Speaker 3>off the top of my head, I don't feel like

588
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 3>I can really think of any other urban legends.

589
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, I do want to kind of point with this

590
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 2>Alice killings and just like this photo, isn't it bizarre

591
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:29.519
<v Speaker 2>how something can go viral like this without any concrete evidence?

592
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>And our imaginations can take us and we'll just fucking

593
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.400
<v Speaker 2>believe it. Like we'll just believe it. Like I said,

594
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:40.119
<v Speaker 2>these individuals one photograph and it hit like nationwide news.

595
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah it was. It was all over into the.

596
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:46.799
<v Speaker 2>News because it it looks odd. Yeah, that's it, like.

597
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>What I know.

598
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.599
<v Speaker 3>But I also feel like with today's technology, someone should

599
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 3>have been able to zoom in enough or figure it out.

600
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, there is a theory someone had that it might

601
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>be like a bird underwater or something like that. I

602
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Again, I also will call bullshit because they

603
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.160
<v Speaker 2>would have known that the bird would be swimming, would

604
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 2>have disappeared, would have popped up.

605
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.000
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I have no idea. I love swimming in

606
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:07.359
<v Speaker 3>that lake.

607
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:08.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a nice light.

608
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

609
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the fact that these things can go so

610
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:17.200
<v Speaker 2>viral catch your imagination without an ounce or shred of

611
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>any sort of evidence blows my mind, and people will

612
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 2>just believe it and they will wholeheartedly go into it

613
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>and accept it as fact. Yep. It's crazy.

614
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like crazy, well, especially too the amount of details

615
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.240
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like, especially in this case that you had

616
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 3>that it just does seem believable. I mean, if you

617
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 3>were just like yeah, there's like this these five murders

618
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.440
<v Speaker 3>and like this calling card and stuff like I'd probably

619
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 3>believe you. But it's like the more details, the more believable,

620
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 3>right too, But it doesn't take much to create demails else, No,

621
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't.

622
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Like there's a story of Simon Jansen, whereas I think

623
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:01.079
<v Speaker 2>it was somewhere in the Eastern States. He was off

624
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>on a carnival with a bunch of friends after a

625
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>high school like dance thing. It was in the evening.

626
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.880
<v Speaker 2>They ditched the dance and went off to this carnival.

627
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 2>There was three friends they went off. I think they

628
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.160
<v Speaker 2>were going to the carnival. It was on the way

629
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 2>there they ended up getting hit by a vehicle and

630
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.319
<v Speaker 2>it was a hit and run. Two of the guys died,

631
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.279
<v Speaker 2>but the one kid was able to actually identify the vehicle.

632
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.599
<v Speaker 2>He remembered three of license plate numbers. I made all

633
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.839
<v Speaker 2>this up on the fly. None of that happened, Yeah,

634
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>and I just listed some details.

635
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, people are good storytellers nowadays too, right, right,

636
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 3>But like that.

637
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Just shows all you need is to just write a story.

638
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought that you were doing it. You were

639
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 3>going to just you're creating it. Not creating another urban legend,

640
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 3>but like just recounting one, Well, it.

641
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Just made up. I was just making it up, and

642
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>that's all it takes. So when you guys are looking

643
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<v Speaker 2>at tails, when you are listening to stories, question these things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's part of what we do here with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the research is really trying to define the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because there is even with real life cases and

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<v Speaker 3>cases that happened, there's a lot of misinformation out there too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's easy to get misinformation. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that we're perfect either, Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm sure we've mess some things up definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>So Yeah, anyways, I just want to have the little

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<v Speaker 2>urban legend chat at the end there.

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<v Speaker 3>M hm.

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<v Speaker 2>So let us know if you guys have a favorite

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<v Speaker 2>urban legend, what you think of this, if you think

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<v Speaker 2>these alice killings could potentially be true, because like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a shred of evidence to say it is

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<v Speaker 2>unless you connect it to the one in Spain.

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<v Speaker 3>Hmm, that's crazy. Wow, you just blew our minds. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry, I want to have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>fun with that one, so, oh my gosh. Yeah, don't

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<v Speaker 2>forget about a little pumpkin carving contest. Yeah, we got

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<v Speaker 2>that over on Instagram. I want to give them the

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<v Speaker 2>breakdown on it real quick on what they have to

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<v Speaker 2>do again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's honestly super simple and it's probably something you're

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<v Speaker 3>already doing. So any pumpkin that you've carved, snap a

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<v Speaker 3>foe it, put it on your story tag us, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're entered into a draw to win a jackal blanket,

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<v Speaker 3>which is pretty dang cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can snuggle up with it and give it

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<v Speaker 2>to your dog, take a camping, put it on your bed,

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<v Speaker 2>you couch for those movie nights when you're watching those

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<v Speaker 2>epic horror movies. Perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's awesome. And we'll also post about this too,

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<v Speaker 3>because yeah we're gonna do the draw. We're all going

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<v Speaker 3>live on Halloween night and yeah, we'll do the draw at.

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<v Speaker 2>That time exactly. Until then, we've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>socials on our description. You can go ahead check all

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<v Speaker 2>those out Instagram, so you can go join that contest Facebook,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a website, YouTube, you name it. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>down below. And also we do ask that you go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and give our podcast a rating if you have

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<v Speaker 2>the time and if you so feel so that you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do that, you'd appreciate.

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<v Speaker 3>It, Yeah, we absolutely would.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the episode. We'll see it tomorrow when it's

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<v Speaker 2>officially Halloween. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe it's already here.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So until then, stay Wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>Four