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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to Video Games to the Max. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to another edition of Video Games to the Max.

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<v Speaker 1>I am your host, Seana Garmer here with me as

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<v Speaker 1>per usual, Miss Mark Morrison, and if you're on the

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<v Speaker 1>video version, as you can see, we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about selling Hill to remake. Mark's played a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of it, so this will definitely be some impressions.

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<v Speaker 1>I've pre ordered the game, but I got the standard

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<v Speaker 1>edition and I wouldn't have had time to play it

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<v Speaker 1>anyway until probably late Tuesday. Thankfully, the hurricane that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>people know about now Milton is not going to hit

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<v Speaker 1>us very hard in the Miami area, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>going to hit another one of our comrades in the

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<v Speaker 1>relative broadcasting pretty bad. He lives in Tampa where it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to hit directly. So I've been watching a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it and had to go get ready just in case,

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<v Speaker 1>because at first they look at what was going to

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<v Speaker 1>but now it's not, thankfully, But because talking about things

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like we used to know what they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be about, and then apparently things are changing. Talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Halo as last night was the Halo World Championships

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<v Speaker 1>and they had some big news, so we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that as well. Menifoori Fantasio's glowing reviews, we'll talk about those,

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<v Speaker 1>some high jinks going on with Nintendo and more emulator

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<v Speaker 1>drama with that. Power World's getting a Melbo version. Alien

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<v Speaker 1>Isolation two is happening to lead into all the spooky

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<v Speaker 1>season stuff and more. All right, so just quickly here

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<v Speaker 1>to get this out of the way housekeeping. Whether this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time watching or we do, or you've

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<v Speaker 1>been watching us for a while, we do appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>You can watch us live around this time between like

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<v Speaker 1>four or five five point thirty at the latest on

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<v Speaker 1>Mondays is when we do the show live. You can

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<v Speaker 1>watch it on YouTube, W two network, Twitch, and Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>W two network as well. I'll not be bringing back

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<v Speaker 1>the Twitter, my personal Twitter pretty soon, not sure, haven't

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<v Speaker 1>decided that on yet, And then you can always watch

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<v Speaker 1>on demand on YouTube. And I've started making clips of

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<v Speaker 1>the episodes as well, so we have a few of

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<v Speaker 1>those already up there. I'm working on more from the

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<v Speaker 1>last few episodes you've had, so thank you for those

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<v Speaker 1>that have watched the clips as well. They do help.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, of course, showing up on TikTok over

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<v Speaker 1>there too, so you can just go at Scarman on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find me on there. So yeah, considering the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the network, though, anime is kicking off this month,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the big anime month of course, with the

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<v Speaker 1>Dragon Ball Dima coming on in cohoots with the Sparking

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<v Speaker 1>Zero game that is also coming out the same day,

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<v Speaker 1>October eleventh, and of course other big animies are Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Dan that's gonna be apparently the next big one

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<v Speaker 1>that's also coming, so you might want to go. Make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you go check out a Taco Cafe because they

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<v Speaker 1>talk about all the new anime each that happens each season,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure they will be talking about the false

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<v Speaker 1>stuff fairly soon, if not this week, the next week,

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<v Speaker 1>so go check them out. The routs and broadcasting people,

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<v Speaker 1>they are probably going to be doing, if not today tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>the Joker to review, so go make sure you check

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<v Speaker 1>them out as well. So that being said, make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you subscribe so you can get all that stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can go listen on podcasts. Also, if you

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<v Speaker 1>just like listening with your ears instead of watching, you

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<v Speaker 1>can find us wherever podcasts are, so that being said, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>now you haven't played a lot of it, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have not, so you have not played Silent Hill to

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<v Speaker 1>the original.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I've I played like the Hill one demo you know,

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, and demo disks didn't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Played sound Health trand PC way back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't like that because it had like really bad

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<v Speaker 2>game pad support. And I played sound Hill four on

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<v Speaker 2>PS two and didn't like that because it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gave me motion sickness. Okay, so yeah, playing Sondhill too.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So you and I are both going to

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<v Speaker 1>have the same perspective of not really having played the

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<v Speaker 1>game previously. So our first right, you know, initiation with

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<v Speaker 1>this game is going to be the remake. Y what

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<v Speaker 1>do you what do you think about it? And compared

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<v Speaker 1>to I don't know if you've played any of Bluebird

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<v Speaker 1>Teams other stuff, compared to that, what do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, uh, you know, it seems okay, it looks

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<v Speaker 2>it looks I don't think it looks great. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it looks interesting though it's I'm on performance mode, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, some of the looks kind of janky, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think actually don't mind it like if you assume

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<v Speaker 2>the camera around you can see the guys like like

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<v Speaker 2>Jacket has some really weird looking artifact for like a

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<v Speaker 2>second because like the rain. So yeah, I got to

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<v Speaker 2>like I hit like the main town, I guess, and

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot my first flat and it was like a

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<v Speaker 2>board with some nails in it. Yeah, okay, It's like

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<v Speaker 2>how does this not break out for like two hits?

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, can you already feel the the psychological horror

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it does have like elements, like it has

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<v Speaker 2>some like you know, spooky sound effects, I guess, but

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<v Speaker 2>nothing scary at the moment, at least not yet. My

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<v Speaker 2>problem really is they don't tell you what to do. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So back to the town and think they gave you

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<v Speaker 2>a map, which is nice, but it's like, okay, there

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<v Speaker 2>are direct there are locations marked in this map, like

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<v Speaker 2>Gonzales Diner. So I went there and it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>some boarded up diner And I'm like, what why did

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<v Speaker 2>you make mention of this if you can't get inside

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<v Speaker 2>you know, side of it. And then like every road

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<v Speaker 2>was blocked off either by like one road is like

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<v Speaker 2>had like a big get like a big ditch in it,

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<v Speaker 2>like part of the sewer blew up or something, and

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<v Speaker 2>the other other roads have like these like big curtains

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<v Speaker 2>like blocking it off, and I'm like, hey, you can

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<v Speaker 2>get through a curtain, like you know, yeah, and b

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<v Speaker 2>Like I spent ten minutes trying to figure it where

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck to go because I'm like, I I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>up to like every house and it's like every house

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<v Speaker 2>that was abandoned basically, and I'm like, can I go

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<v Speaker 2>through here? You know what? What's the deal? And I

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<v Speaker 2>finally found like, oh, there's like one path on like

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<v Speaker 2>the upper like left part. This is my tooltip for you.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, Yeah, there's like a very small alleyway

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<v Speaker 2>between between two houses you can get through. It actually

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<v Speaker 2>progress the story. And I was like, okay, cool, but

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<v Speaker 2>you could have highlighted this a little better, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like it would have been nice to have some direction,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I guess it's like, yo, if you want the

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<v Speaker 2>original you know PS two two thousand and one or

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and two, whenever that game came out, feeling

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<v Speaker 2>go go for it, but it's twenty twenty four, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Like people have waypoints or people have it's a more.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's that's part of it, right, They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to remove that, Like if they give you that

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<v Speaker 1>from the start, there's gonna be so many people that

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<v Speaker 1>don't know right that you can turn the waypoints off, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there immediately the first thought is gonna be oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>they they twenty twenty for it. They gamified this. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want that, Like how much how much complain did

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<v Speaker 1>we get about the yellow paint and red as an evil? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Look? I mean I would have maybe have an outside

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<v Speaker 2>default then and then you can turn it off the

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<v Speaker 2>turn it on in the options, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wonder if they could technically add something like

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<v Speaker 1>more lighting.

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<v Speaker 2>Or I'm also playing I also fired up Dead Space

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<v Speaker 2>to remake a dead Space like Last Man Super Bored uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and that game has like an actual button that says

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<v Speaker 2>hey go here, you know, literally like an environment saying

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<v Speaker 2>hey follow this path. I'm not saying you need something

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<v Speaker 2>like that direct or that that extreme, but yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>could do it like with the camera, like if you

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<v Speaker 2>press a button, uh, you know, the guy turns to

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<v Speaker 2>like the next objective or where you know, where you

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<v Speaker 2>should supposed to be able to go next you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think part of it is that's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is like that's supposed to be part of

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<v Speaker 1>the angst of it. The the making you be a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of scared is that you don't know where you're going.

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<v Speaker 1>The fog is there's the kind of des wur you

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what's coming around every corner kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>But by that metric, I mean I was getting to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where I just can look up a guide

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<v Speaker 2>or like look up a video and it's like, well, iry,

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<v Speaker 2>that breaks emersion even further, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I agree with you on that, yeah, because most

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<v Speaker 1>of them they're going to have to kind of tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what's coming up ahead in order for you, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, just to get through that one little

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<v Speaker 1>section and then you can just go back to not

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<v Speaker 1>using it. I don't think it's that necessarily that big

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<v Speaker 1>of an immersion breaker. But yeah, from everything I've heard,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gotten it has a its like eighty eight or

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine on open critic and metacritics so far so

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<v Speaker 1>or eighty seven eighty eight something like that, so right,

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<v Speaker 1>doing well as far as the critical reception, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot better than a lot of people thought it

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<v Speaker 2>People were kind of down on it, and it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it ain't out yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, there was a lot of talk before

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<v Speaker 1>it came out about oh mean it looks bad. They're

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<v Speaker 1>ruining this. Oh they're going to make the combat just

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<v Speaker 1>like Resident Evil and it's you know, all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And they for the most part, it seems that they

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<v Speaker 1>retained most you know, pretty much everything and then just

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<v Speaker 1>made some parts longer that were kind of cut off

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<v Speaker 1>oft in the original. So yeah, I'm excited to start

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<v Speaker 1>playing this either late Tuesday or Wednesday. As we're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with the terrain here.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have I don't obviously don't have the gun,

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<v Speaker 2>but the like perspective looks a lot like Revenue before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they did do it over the shoulder, now yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's part of the limitations that back then. I think, right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>later you're gonna get a pipe that apparently makes things

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<v Speaker 1>a lot easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, whatever, zombie is afraid of the pipe.

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<v Speaker 1>I like I like hearing the the crunching sound that

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<v Speaker 1>it makes when you you kill things. That all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Like I said, play Dead Space played death for

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<v Speaker 2>like two hours. It's good. It's fine or fun? H

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<v Speaker 2>I played Mederic Solid one. How's that that game? Parts

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<v Speaker 2>of that game about age particularly well, Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>you can make fun of the graphic, it's all you want.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they are kind they were kind of it

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<v Speaker 2>was impressive back then, but like the you know, cloud

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<v Speaker 2>had more faithial definition than fucking Snake did, so I'll

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<v Speaker 2>snaked it back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with that game really to me is like

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<v Speaker 2>or closer to him, right, If I get two steps on,

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<v Speaker 2>a real delicate process. And yeah, I got metaphor on

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, because you got the Big Collectors, yeah, yep,

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<v Speaker 3>I got the regular addition, so I'll wait for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, given the reviews, I guess it seems worth it now.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, for sure owing reviews for this game pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>He not that we didn't expect some of that. It is,

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<v Speaker 1>received this year as well. Obviously both of those are

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<v Speaker 1>older games, right, But I mean this is like they

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<v Speaker 1>you know, last week. So yeah, if you want our

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<v Speaker 1>can you continue to out or find a clip on

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube as well. So I'm ready for that on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>just to delve deep, go from where we were and

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we do, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess I haven't really I've played. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that they finally posted your Astro bart review. I'm almost

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<v Speaker 1>some of mine. I'm like at the last, like I

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<v Speaker 1>think right afore the conclusion, just talking about the extra stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm probably gonna have it done today. But I

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<v Speaker 1>replayed Astro astrobot, because the ps AFF does that thing

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<v Speaker 1>where it removes your pictures if it's been after two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had removed all my pictures. So I had

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<v Speaker 1>to play out some levels and stuff and asked about

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, just still fun still awesome. Yep, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's it for me. I guess let's go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about the big news of the It wasn't like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I had I had a different headline to start this

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. When I was like going through it on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>like afternoon, like putting up the stuff, I did not

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<v Speaker 1>think that we were going to be talking about Halo, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's just funny that they have the Halo

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<v Speaker 1>World Championships. And then it's not just the head of

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<v Speaker 1>World Championships. They have this new whole trailer that they

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<v Speaker 1>show that's a project that they began to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>show what whatever the new generation or Halo would look

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<v Speaker 1>like in Unreal five. You know, they'd already had reports

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<v Speaker 1>before that they were gonna move Halo to Unreal five,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly try to start that with Halo Infinite, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least with the multiplayer part.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They did announce like previously if they'd added third person

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<v Speaker 1>mode to the multiplayer, right, so kind of led to

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<v Speaker 1>more rumors about, oh, does that mean the Battle Warrial's

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<v Speaker 1>coming pretty soon or something. And then we get this

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<v Speaker 1>which is just three four three essentially saying Okay, we're

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<v Speaker 1>looks like. And then they all also revealed at the

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<v Speaker 1>end that they are no longer called three four to

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<v Speaker 1>three Industries, they are now officially Halo Studio, which I

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<v Speaker 1>heard some mixed reception. It's I talked to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our sort of third co host, Randy, and he was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is stupid. They're naming it after the game that

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<v Speaker 1>they technically didn't start. It's like your stepdad coming and

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<v Speaker 1>taking over something that you made. And I laughed and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, but at least this is like he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gave the example of what if Konami just

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<v Speaker 1>decided to make a Metal Gear studio and saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now you're in charge of all the metal Gear games.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, that's not necessarily true, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like they took over from Halo four and have made

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<v Speaker 1>Halo games before. It's not like this is the first one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But they do mention in there that they are basically

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<v Speaker 1>they had a recipe before, which is taking a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff from the previous games that Bungie obviously became

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<v Speaker 1>famous with and then adapting that to the current you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and two kind of varying success, right, Especially Five wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>well received at all. Halo Infinite was well received for

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<v Speaker 1>some of it, and Halo four was mixed as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have that, right, So what do you?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, you didn't watch the trailer thing that they show,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're ready, Oh you did?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know, yeah for seven minutes a long sin

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<v Speaker 2>Who cares? I guess, Randy kind of changing the name

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean a whole lot because the same people are

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<v Speaker 2>so responsible or in charge, and they can't make a

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<v Speaker 2>good Halo game.

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<v Speaker 1>I would disagree in the they can't make a profitable

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<v Speaker 1>and popular Halo game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I think Halo four is okay, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>but no one cared about five, and Halo Infinite seems

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<v Speaker 2>like a dumpster fire, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the thing with Halo is that four they

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<v Speaker 1>really just they had to kind of they're now forced

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<v Speaker 1>to Okay, Bungee ended the cycle, we have to start

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<v Speaker 1>our own, and they're having to kind of deal with

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<v Speaker 1>that and change it. And then five they went into

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<v Speaker 1>a completely other direction nobody wanted and they suffered for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Six they kind of backtracked and went back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Multiplayer was really well received. The story mode was actually

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<v Speaker 1>like the lot for Halo Infinite. It was just the

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<v Speaker 1>way that they rolled out the stuff. Afterwards, they gave

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<v Speaker 1>it the bad press, right the oh we're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to have the co op, We're not going to have

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<v Speaker 1>Forge for a long time. Oh then we're just canceling

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<v Speaker 1>the split screen period.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh finished already, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the battle passes, even though they didn't do it

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<v Speaker 1>like Fortnite where you have to buy them and they

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<v Speaker 1>run out or whatever. Oh no, still, we don't like this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is not what we wanted for the multiplayer.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be fair, Peer Hints is the one that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of saved the master Chief collection, and he's the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's kind of ahead of this right now. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what their whole initiative was to say that

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<v Speaker 1>we are we now like the chains have been taken off.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only are we moving over to unreal and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about dealing with an engine that

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<v Speaker 1>we only made for this thing. Because whenever, originally this

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be like an open world game, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even supposed to be this right that they wound

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<v Speaker 1>up being Halo Infinite. Then now they have the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of like you know, chart their own course,

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<v Speaker 1>decide what they want to do with Halo from this

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<v Speaker 1>point forward, chase their own stories, whatever it is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the I mean technical jargon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say though that's bad because part of

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<v Speaker 2>the big issue with Halo streak games if people don't

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<v Speaker 2>like those stories or what they're doing with the characters

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. So right then you're going like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, no, people don't want you know what

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<v Speaker 2>they want or you know what they're offering. And I

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<v Speaker 2>did watch it. I said, I watched that trailer. I

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<v Speaker 2>hated when that art director guy said like, oh, we

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<v Speaker 2>got this project forge going. So we ideated on three,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, three levels, And I was like, can't you

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<v Speaker 2>just say fucking brainstorm or we you know, we created

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<v Speaker 2>like levels like he said, like the most like pompous

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<v Speaker 2>way too, Oh my god, Like I wonder if Halo's

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<v Speaker 2>going down the drange.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they made one that kind of looked like the flood, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which hasn't been used since Halo three, which.

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<v Speaker 4>Is something that they both did want, right, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it made snow level and then like waterfall level, right,

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't know, I think they should have really

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<v Speaker 4>got I mean the problem with three four three, what

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people have said is.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they don't like what Bungee did. And there have

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<v Speaker 2>been some reports like old Bungee people who worked in

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<v Speaker 2>the first Halo games who like left Bungee and tried

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<v Speaker 2>to go work at three four three and three four

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<v Speaker 2>three is like no, because like he worked at Bungie.

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<v Speaker 1>Well remember they even brought in Joseph Stanton to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like save it at the last minute, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>but talk about big time Bungie person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he's gone now, right, and you have to

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<v Speaker 2>wonder how much of his input day for used.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was just for the story. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily for the gameplay aspect of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I mean, they can rebrand as

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<v Speaker 2>much as they want, but if the same people are

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<v Speaker 1>It's just well, I think they the thing is that

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<v Speaker 1>they learned from that mistake, right, They learned from the

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<v Speaker 1>mistake of we're not going to do this again. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of pressure of after the delay and

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<v Speaker 1>after the mess up of showing Craig and that whole

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<v Speaker 1>trailer and whatever, of we have to get this right.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also it's like, oh, we can't delay it again.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to release it now. We have to have

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. We have to have this big game out

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<v Speaker 1>in this timeframe or whatever, or it's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>big loss. And you know, even though they have game

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<v Speaker 1>passed to back them up, they don't necessarily It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like we're trying to get people to go necessarily spend

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<v Speaker 1>everything and buy the game like you would have in

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<v Speaker 1>the past. But I think they learned about like, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta release same feature complete, no battle passes if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it right. I mean, obviously the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they release this multiplayer you have to monetize it. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to include that stuff. It's it's free multiplayer, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're not paying for that, So it's a different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well there's two things. Versus it reminds me. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you've seen the wire, right, Yeah, it reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of like that the conversation that Stringer Bell had with

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<v Speaker 2>this college professor in like season two. I think like

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<v Speaker 2>Stringers like asking them like, well, we have I have

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<v Speaker 2>a bad product, or like, what do you do when

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<v Speaker 2>you have a bad product able you have and you're

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<v Speaker 2>losing market share? And the professors like, oh, well you

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<v Speaker 2>do you do a name change? But then he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>as the reputation of your brand go as a new

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<v Speaker 2>name goes down, you know, you're gonna lease me even

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<v Speaker 2>more market share, and like you know, like trust in

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<v Speaker 2>the product. Yep, that's this is what they're doing. But

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<v Speaker 2>here's the other thing is would you what would you

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<v Speaker 2>rather have? Like, personally, would you rather have a free

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<v Speaker 2>multiplayer game where they monetize everything or would you rather

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<v Speaker 2>have a six seventy dollars multiplayer product where they don't

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<v Speaker 2>monetize shit? Well, I mean.

419
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<v Speaker 1>Personally, I'd rather have what we used to have, right,

420
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<v Speaker 1>WHI Yeah, same thing with Call of Duty where you pay.

421
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<v Speaker 2>That that's the second one where yeah, you know, six

422
00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:04.519
<v Speaker 2>years Halvean do a product has anything, And I think

423
00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:06.519
<v Speaker 2>that's what that's what most people want.

424
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<v Speaker 1>Right well, there's still a lot of people. Remember it's

425
00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:14.039
<v Speaker 1>not like free, free to play stuff is not the

426
00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:16.200
<v Speaker 1>huge thing right now. I mean, like I get why

427
00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:16.799
<v Speaker 1>they did.

428
00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:20.279
<v Speaker 2>It, but okay, but even I mean I could pull

429
00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:23.359
<v Speaker 2>up scheme charts or whatever just for like Halo, I

430
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:24.480
<v Speaker 2>doubt I'm.

431
00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Sure they're not great.

432
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, but you know, compare that to Halo three or

433
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Halo you know ods t r reach, like come on, right.

434
00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:36.279
<v Speaker 1>But I think like it's the whole point if they

435
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.640
<v Speaker 1>understand now what they can't do, what they can do,

436
00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:43.960
<v Speaker 1>what they need to make sure is in the next Halo. Uh.

437
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.519
<v Speaker 1>They did the announce that there's multiple products in the work,

438
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>so it's leading many to believe that one of them

439
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:54.359
<v Speaker 1>is going to be once again Halo one redone again again,

440
00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:57.759
<v Speaker 1>and then then they will move on to whatever it

441
00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:00.519
<v Speaker 1>is that they want to call Halo Forward.

442
00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.279
<v Speaker 2>I would say what you're saying kind of makes sense,

443
00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:07.240
<v Speaker 2>but this is also their fourth attempt at a Halo game.

444
00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Or you know, the fourth attempt, and it's like, if

445
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.680
<v Speaker 2>you can't get it right in three attempts, you shouldn't

446
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.680
<v Speaker 2>be able to get a fourth Like Microsoft should have

447
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:20.440
<v Speaker 2>really looked at that studio fired most of those people.

448
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.000
<v Speaker 1>But there's large chunks of Infinite that was actually good,

449
00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just that they didn't get it cohesively together.

450
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:31.559
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's part of the thing is when

451
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:34.319
<v Speaker 1>they do bring up a good point about when we

452
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:38.319
<v Speaker 1>were having to worry about being engineers and technicians and

453
00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:42.039
<v Speaker 1>worrying about making sure that the the engine work and

454
00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>not getting to focus so much on the game, I

455
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.599
<v Speaker 1>think that does take away from what she wanted to do.

456
00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:50.880
<v Speaker 1>And not only that, but also the game was supposed

457
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<v Speaker 1>to be something else originally, and you can see the

458
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:58.440
<v Speaker 1>parts of that that feel like, oh, there's quests and stuff,

459
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:02.400
<v Speaker 1>like you did have quests and Halo it's just one campaign, right.

460
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's like what they tried to do with Gears five. Yeah,

461
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.119
<v Speaker 2>and we'll tell all that worked out.

462
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>It kind of does feel like it's the same thing

463
00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:13.079
<v Speaker 1>that we're trying to hit the reset button with Gears,

464
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.279
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to say, hit the reset button with Halo.

465
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<v Speaker 1>Can they get it to come together? They have to

466
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<v Speaker 1>do it this time, I think, but they have that

467
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>opportunity now it seems like anyway too, like really go

468
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:31.640
<v Speaker 1>back into what they feel works and where they needed

469
00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 1>to go and hopefully it's positive.

470
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<v Speaker 2>The really funny thing and the really I wouldn't say craft,

471
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.119
<v Speaker 2>but the really depressing thing is they could just do

472
00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:43.920
<v Speaker 2>a economy with sound Hill two and it's like we're

473
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<v Speaker 2>gonna we're gonna remake Halo three because that's when people

474
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:49.480
<v Speaker 2>liked instead of instead of doing the thing they should

475
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:52.160
<v Speaker 2>do is like remake Halo one. Like the sound Hill

476
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:54.319
<v Speaker 2>thing is kind of weird because it's like, yo, sound

477
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.359
<v Speaker 2>Hill one is a little older than this, like you

478
00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:58.519
<v Speaker 2>should be making making that game first.

479
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.160
<v Speaker 1>The reason why they chose to because it's not connected

480
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<v Speaker 1>to the other ones, right, like some Hill one kind

481
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of connects to three and four, whereas two is by itself.

482
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<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of why yea, because you know, if

483
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:17.119
<v Speaker 2>the remakes on Hill one and it's popular, guess what

484
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:20.200
<v Speaker 2>they can move on to the next one. You know, well,

485
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:21.319
<v Speaker 2>that's popular, they can move on.

486
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Does Bloomer want to just do that? Though? That's the

487
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:27.440
<v Speaker 1>thing does Bloomber want to just keep making Silent Hills.

488
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.839
<v Speaker 1>And I think this was like a, well, we don't

489
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:31.880
<v Speaker 1>know if this is going to be amazing or not,

490
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>so let's just do Silent Hill two. Let's get the

491
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.039
<v Speaker 1>press from that. And then I wound up being awesome.

492
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.839
<v Speaker 1>Will they will Bloober want to go back and make

493
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Sullin Hill one? Will they do this? I don't know,

494
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.680
<v Speaker 1>It's just I I hate the whole, Like, oh, let's

495
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>start a series of remakes and then just like the

496
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.559
<v Speaker 1>Halo one. Right, the idea was for Halo, they were

497
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.559
<v Speaker 1>gonna do one and two at least and then possibly

498
00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.920
<v Speaker 1>even you know three. Yeah, they did well, and then

499
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.240
<v Speaker 1>by the time we got to like where two was

500
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>going to happen, it.

501
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Was like, yeah, too little, too late, don't know, it's.

502
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Too late now, like and then we have to like

503
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.400
<v Speaker 1>patch it into the collection, yeah or whatever. It's I

504
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.640
<v Speaker 1>don't I think you just I worry about. Like That's

505
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.000
<v Speaker 1>what winds up happening with that is they go, well,

506
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>there's already a collection of Silent Hill, so.

507
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they look at look at what cap Con

508
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.680
<v Speaker 2>has done, and you can make the case that like

509
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.720
<v Speaker 2>they like there was a remake of Revenue one way

510
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:39.319
<v Speaker 2>back in the day, so right, you know, you can

511
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.079
<v Speaker 2>some people say, oh, they remake Revenuval two first, or

512
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, Resnuel one is a generation before, but it's

513
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.759
<v Speaker 2>like they still did it, like who cares, and.

514
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It's still like the definitive way to play that game,

515
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't want to go back up play the

516
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.759
<v Speaker 1>PlayStation one, right, right.

517
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.960
<v Speaker 2>So so that that that's the blueprint economy should have

518
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 2>been looking at. Not you know, we can remix it

519
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 2>on hill two and then what a remix on Hill one?

520
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Now, well that's the thing. I think this left and

521
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.279
<v Speaker 1>the door open to Okay, if there's a good reception

522
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to this, we could go back and start the series

523
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 1>of doing soln Hill one and beyond. Whereas if they

524
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>decide that this is it, this is the only remix

525
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>that's going to happen, then okay. It's the standalone game,

526
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.319
<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't hurt anything if you don't get the

527
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>other ones, and they technically do have a collection on

528
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 1>modern platforms you can go by if you want, right.

529
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.359
<v Speaker 2>So this is completely unrelated. Yeah, I saw this pop

530
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.119
<v Speaker 2>up on I think Game Stop or some week hear

531
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:46.000
<v Speaker 2>something they are putting there are re releasing Dark Siders

532
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:53.160
<v Speaker 2>too on PS five and Xbox Series X. Yeah, and

533
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>that game is a decade fucking old, Like how many

534
00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:59.240
<v Speaker 2>platforms doesn't need to be released.

535
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 1>I think it's aren't they making a fourth one? Isn't

536
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 1>that the whole point there?

537
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I know they want to, they are, but who knows

538
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.039
<v Speaker 2>that they're gonna have the money to make it? You know?

539
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:09.039
<v Speaker 2>So right?

540
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:13.319
<v Speaker 1>So you know, for me, as a huge Halo fan,

541
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to hear that they were going back to

542
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the drawing board, uh and stuff like that. I think

543
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>it's just one of these.

544
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Where, well, let let me ask you this, Yeah, what

545
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 2>do you what? What do you want the next game

546
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>to be? Would you rather it be Halo one really remastered?

547
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 2>You know? Or Halo seven where they kill off Earth.

548
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:37.759
<v Speaker 2>I will always make that joke when you get to

549
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 2>a franchise that has seven games.

550
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with if you want to do a Halo

551
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 1>one Combat Evolved double anniversary, because in twenty twenty five,

552
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>November twenty twenty five, it will be the what twenty

553
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.839
<v Speaker 1>fifth anniversary of Halo at that point, so or twenty

554
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 1>twenty six. I'm sorry. The whole point is for it

555
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 1>to I'm out with the new console which is rumor

556
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>to come out, and so like that's the thing is

557
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>for me. I'm fine with it if that's going to

558
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>be your one of your launch games for the new console,

559
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:13.359
<v Speaker 1>and you want to show all your new stuff with

560
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.039
<v Speaker 1>the game that everybody knows and loves and say, Okay,

561
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>from here on, this is what we really want from Halo,

562
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and then you start teasing what the new Halo is

563
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>going to be. Whatever you decide for it to be

564
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Halo seven and beyond, I'm good with that. I also

565
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>wonder if the moves on Real Engine five means, does

566
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 1>that mean now it's for sure coming to PlayStation or

567
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.519
<v Speaker 1>a PlayStation whatever. Six We're at at that point you

568
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>think we finally get to see Halo on the competitor console,

569
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 1>or this is the one they're going to hold back.

570
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I still am that if they were smart, this should

571
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>be the one they hold back. I think they're getting

572
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>increasingly more like, more and more desperate, so I think

573
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 2>it will just come to it and it'll be on

574
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>every PC marketplace.

575
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Ever, I definitely think that if you're gonna use Halo

576
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 1>one as the reset and you're gonna say that this

577
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be the system seller or the one that

578
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>attracts people over to maybe getting an Xbox for the

579
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.799
<v Speaker 1>next gen. I don't think you put Halo on PS

580
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>five at all. Yeah, Now if maybe that's not your idea, right,

581
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 1>we still don't know what their next gen thing is.

582
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Is their next thing a portable system and that's all

583
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 1>it is?

584
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Uh? That?

585
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Then DOC? Is it their version of the switch the

586
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>DOCS to the TV or is it going to be

587
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.680
<v Speaker 1>a two pronged where you have the docking thing that's

588
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>you can buy by yourself. It's not like the portal

589
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>and then have the big console that goes to your TV.

590
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.599
<v Speaker 1>Whatever it is they decide, or is the the the

591
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.880
<v Speaker 1>portable thing just a rumor and not happening at all. Well,

592
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>we'll see. But I I just feel like this is

593
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>your one game, one series that it still could be

594
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.200
<v Speaker 1>your flagship if you do this right. It hasn't been

595
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 1>your flagship for a long time, right, that's really been

596
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>like for the Horizon to be honest.

597
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Excuse me. I think I think if you're getting a

598
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:24.480
<v Speaker 2>little game called fruit Force.

599
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course fruit Force.

600
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 2>And conquer.

601
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Tell Taylor that. So that'd being said I think, yes,

602
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 1>they have the ability to bring this back. I just

603
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>think if you put it on PlayStation at that point,

604
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.559
<v Speaker 1>what's the point of even having exclusives. You might as

605
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 1>well just release everything day and date and that's it.

606
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>And then if you want to keep making the box,

607
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:51.319
<v Speaker 1>to make the box.

608
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wish I could be more optimistic about this,

609
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.359
<v Speaker 2>but it's just too many people. Like if they brought back,

610
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.599
<v Speaker 2>like I know, they can't bring back a Halo creator

611
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 2>because he's a Bungee, I think still, but like if

612
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.359
<v Speaker 2>they brought someone back who was a big back then

613
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.119
<v Speaker 2>and said like, hey, we hired this guy back to

614
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.759
<v Speaker 2>guide us for this next Halo game, that would be

615
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.200
<v Speaker 2>that would be a lot better.

616
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>But they didn't, right, So that kind of leads me

617
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>into the next story here, Rod ferg It kind of

618
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 1>leads to what I was talking about with Halo and

619
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>going to PS five or whatever. Rod Ferguson was asked, Well,

620
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't asked. He kind of he just gave it up.

621
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>He gave up the information that I've been asked this

622
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.519
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of times. As soon as the PS five

623
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Pro launches Diablo four Vessel of Hatred, will we'll be

624
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>there at launch with it it will be PS five

625
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Pro enhanced. And then also there is a news report

626
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.839
<v Speaker 1>that came out that there's there is a verifiable link

627
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously that you can go look at that Microsoft's issued

628
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>a kind of like a poll or a here's a

629
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<v Speaker 1>bunch of questions that we have for you if you've

630
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<v Speaker 1>chosen PlayStation over Xbox, right, and why you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a game on Xbox right. Yeah, it's interesting that that

632
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<v Speaker 1>is the approach we're taking now. Not only are we

633
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<v Speaker 1>making sure that even though yes, Activision is simple City

634
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<v Speaker 1>by itself, right, you're having a game be PRES five

635
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<v Speaker 1>Pro enhanced at the launch of the PS five pro

636
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<v Speaker 1>your competitor console, which would ultimately make it better than

637
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<v Speaker 1>the console you currently have. And then you're now releasing

638
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 1>a thing that's telling devs, we want to know why

639
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<v Speaker 1>you've chosen not chosen xbot. So if you look at

640
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<v Speaker 1>that from a I don't own an Xbox perspective, mark,

641
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<v Speaker 1>what does that say to you.

642
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.920
<v Speaker 2>That they don't understand why people want one console over

643
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the other, or they don't understand like that people go with, uh,

644
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>what the first of doctors go with? Right?

645
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I think part of it it's just something we've always that.

646
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.519
<v Speaker 1>Phil Spencer even said himself like part of that, you're

647
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<v Speaker 1>not going to get back because they yeah.

648
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the thing, though I don't think it's it's

649
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<v Speaker 2>necessarily a first adoption thing. Yeah, Like they can look

650
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<v Speaker 2>at the success of the Xbox three sixty versus p

651
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<v Speaker 2>S three and go we come at a year earlier,

652
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>so we had a year ahead. But it's like, well, yeah,

653
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 2>you did, but you also had a better onlent infrastructure,

654
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 2>cleaner interface, not gimmicky shit at least back then, a

655
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 2>better like just better online things like that. And so

656
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.519
<v Speaker 2>when I think like when they had to go toe

657
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<v Speaker 2>to toe like the recent console or the wonderfore that

658
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>where they had a lot more gimmicky shit with it

659
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.199
<v Speaker 2>that didn't go well in their favor.

660
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<v Speaker 1>Well, and also they had aslusives right right. It also

661
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>it also fundamentally was a better console for the devs

662
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<v Speaker 1>to make for because how many games coming on PS

663
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:08.519
<v Speaker 1>three and they were buggies crap, right right, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then xbosters usual had the ruttering of death that

665
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't help it either, but they were able to fix

666
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that eventually.

667
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Right they I had talked with the ends recently. What

668
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<v Speaker 2>would you say, I mean, it was the anniversary, just

669
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<v Speaker 2>you know, talking about it. What would you say, is

670
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<v Speaker 2>the best PlayStation generation or your your favorite?

671
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<v Speaker 1>Let's say that my favorite is still probably the PS.

672
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.719
<v Speaker 2>One actually, so it's mine, I'd say I would say

673
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<v Speaker 2>PS one. I would actually say it's a tie. Then,

674
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<v Speaker 2>like the next one is PS two and PS four, Yeah,

675
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I might, I might say PS four personally, but PS

676
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:48.079
<v Speaker 2>two had a lot of a lot of great games

677
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<v Speaker 2>for it. Next one it would be like PS five,

678
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and the last one would be PS three.

679
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<v Speaker 1>I definitely agree, and I think I think there's a

680
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<v Speaker 1>lot of people that would say PS four is right

681
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<v Speaker 1>there if you didn't playing the PS one, So then

682
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:03.639
<v Speaker 1>the PS four is probably the best generation, right.

683
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.880
<v Speaker 2>But I bring that up because in Yenz's view, the

684
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.079
<v Speaker 2>PS three is the best system. I'm like.

685
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.719
<v Speaker 1>System as a system if you include all the things

686
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that it can do, if you get the big fat one, right,

687
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:21.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a great system. As far as like the games

688
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>on it, that's a that's a whole different deal. But

689
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 1>as far as what the system can.

690
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Do, yeah, that's the thing. It is. Like, I think

691
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:29.239
<v Speaker 2>there's three a lot of great games for it, but

692
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 2>they didn't iterate well and they also cool off a

693
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of their like PS two and PS one franchises

694
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:38.880
<v Speaker 2>along the way. Yeah, and that's not great, but yeah,

695
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I think like it's not I think like maybe Microsoft

696
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>is still on like the the mentality of the tribe

697
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:51.079
<v Speaker 2>or just not understanding what people want, like does it

698
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>really take take like a market focus group or like

699
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, a survey of from field going like why

700
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>do people want to PlayStation over the Xbox? And it's like, well,

701
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<v Speaker 2>you know, PlayStation has you know, seventy percent of the market.

702
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.079
<v Speaker 2>That's you know, of the two consoles at least. Uh,

703
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 2>that's what most people play games on that you know,

704
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>we can see direct sales, you know, don't do you

705
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 2>need to go further.

706
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<v Speaker 1>I think part of it is also the thing that

707
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 1>goes against their current policy. It's they have exclusives, right,

708
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:33.280
<v Speaker 1>right to be fair. A lot of it is I

709
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:37.599
<v Speaker 1>already own a PS four, so I'm going to buy

710
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the next thing that goes in the number of what

711
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 1>I already own because it plays the games that I

712
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 1>already own. So you know, there's so many people that

713
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:49.760
<v Speaker 1>have not moved over from the PS four yet, right

714
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.519
<v Speaker 1>because they can play all the games that they want

715
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 1>to play on the PS four still, and there's still

716
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.199
<v Speaker 1>games coming out. Metaphor is coming out on the PS four.

717
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that Jedi is kind of PS four recently, Like they.

718
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Even went back, like you said, may Jed of Survivor

719
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.840
<v Speaker 1>on the PS four. So like it, there's still no

720
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:12.559
<v Speaker 1>big reason for somebody to move over. And if you

721
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:17.199
<v Speaker 1>have an Xbox One, even less because you have Game

722
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Pass and unless you really want to play almost all

723
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 1>the big games except for like Starfield, they're gonna be

724
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 1>on PS five.

725
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.760
<v Speaker 2>The DLC for Starfield isn't looking too hot.

726
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not. It's not doing great, even though it's

727
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it's funny because it's like it seems like a very

728
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:43.480
<v Speaker 1>high contrast between like what the critics say on that

729
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>line to what people that are actually like enjoy Starfield

730
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 1>say that it's not as short as people say it is.

731
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.760
<v Speaker 1>It's just that people are running through it because that's

732
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>mainly what you do when you review a game, is

733
00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:58.760
<v Speaker 1>you're getting through the main campaign and then you do

734
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.360
<v Speaker 1>some of the side stuff and that's it. So it's

735
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 1>just a it's just a difference of opinion. But yeah,

736
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting, But I don't know if they're really gonna

737
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.719
<v Speaker 1>find out anything that they don't already know, right, I

738
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:15.920
<v Speaker 1>think they know the reasons. They just don't want to

739
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>go back to that model because they can't compete with

740
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Sony at that mode of beating them for exclusives and

741
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:22.360
<v Speaker 1>things like that.

742
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.400
<v Speaker 2>They could at one point, but not anymore because there's

743
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.880
<v Speaker 2>such such a service as company.

744
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I mean, and to be fair to them,

745
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 1>they are making strides, like we talked about last week

746
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:37.920
<v Speaker 1>with all the Japanese stuff that is coming over to them. Yes,

747
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 1>there are still companies that will probably never work with

748
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.639
<v Speaker 1>them because they just don't see the point like and

749
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I asked America being one of them, Like, just they

750
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:48.719
<v Speaker 1>don't see the point of really they're already a niche

751
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.360
<v Speaker 1>in themselves, that entire company and all the games they make.

752
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Putting it on Xbox is like wow, just going to

753
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:57.159
<v Speaker 1>the niche of the niche of the nichs. Like they're

754
00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>feeling like they're not going to get anything out of that.

755
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>So you know, there's just certain companies that's like it

756
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 1>doesn't behoove them at all unless Microsoft's coming in with

757
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the money and saying okay, put your game over here,

758
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, so yeah, It's just this is one

759
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>of these things where I do think that having the

760
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 1>the head start, whether it's one year or two years

761
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>or even six months, could help them. If they have

762
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.119
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the stuff going by, then have a

763
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:27.559
<v Speaker 1>really good halo, have things that can bring people in.

764
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.519
<v Speaker 2>That's the other problem though, is like they don't like

765
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 2>for the past four years or maybe even longer, they've

766
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 2>been really spinning their wheels as far as like, you know,

767
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.679
<v Speaker 2>you say what you want about Sony's output, Like you

768
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 2>cannot like Spider Man, Gotto or Ragnarok, but other people do,

769
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 2>and those games sell incredibly well and.

770
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, but look at the lineup. Look at the lineup

771
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.679
<v Speaker 1>of all those games that have come out this year

772
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.800
<v Speaker 1>that are playstationed exclusive, and almost all of them are

773
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty great. Yeah, and then okay, Hell Blade two whatever,

774
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Whether you like it or not, that's not the point.

775
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>The point is that that's all it's been. And Indiana Jones, Okay,

776
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.519
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna come out so late that at least for

777
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 1>this year, it won't matter for for most of the awards.

778
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:18.800
<v Speaker 1>And you destroyed the studio that you let somebody else

779
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:22.000
<v Speaker 1>go by the studio that major, one critical game that

780
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:26.519
<v Speaker 1>you had, uh that that wasn't help laid. So you've

781
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of dug yourself in this hole.

782
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

783
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 1>And like you said, not only spinning wheels, but constant

784
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:36.000
<v Speaker 1>delays avowed what'sposed to come out this year? What happened

785
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.599
<v Speaker 1>got delayed? Right?

786
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, even like the studios they bought, you know, over

787
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the past decade or whatever. It's like, what is what

788
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.559
<v Speaker 2>is I still bring it up? What is uh double

789
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Speaker 2>find up to?

790
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

791
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Three years ago at this point at least two and

792
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.719
<v Speaker 2>they have announced ship and it's like, what I like

793
00:42:57.800 --> 00:42:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Double fine, Don't get me wrong, but.

794
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Right I think they're taking the Sony model now as

795
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>well of we're not going to announce something unless we

796
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 1>know it's coming out soon because they good.

797
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, look at what they what happened with

798
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you know some of.

799
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Their look at Starffeld they had to delay that whole

800
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:13.639
<v Speaker 1>thing a whole entire year.

801
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so but you should at least try to, you

802
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.440
<v Speaker 2>know mee announce something. They say, hey, you got something

803
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.920
<v Speaker 2>in the works, you know, right, like they.

804
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Did without a Clockwork Revolution game, the New an Exile

805
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 1>game or whatever, like they did a good job with that.

806
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.639
<v Speaker 1>That got people excited. You know, It's just yeah, they

807
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>have to not only reveal things from those students, but

808
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 1>they have to make they have to stick to those

809
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>dates and actually have them come out and not be

810
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>announcing delays. And then as you go throughout the year,

811
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the thing that people are paying game Pass for these

812
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.679
<v Speaker 1>first party games, they're getting less and less and less.

813
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>And yes, now you have Activision Blizzard king to roll

814
00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.440
<v Speaker 1>back on which you know, you have Vessel of Hatred

815
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>coming out in a matter of hours.

816
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>For people to at this point.

817
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's great. I mean, that's gonna be. You

818
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>have Call of Duty coming out at the end of

819
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the month. That's great for you as well. And you

820
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:16.119
<v Speaker 1>announced some some cool Blizzard stuff comings old stuff and

821
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:18.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's new stuff coming with that too. But it's

822
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.639
<v Speaker 1>like you your other things have to kind of fall

823
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.880
<v Speaker 1>in a line in a pattern and really be able

824
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to get to that thing that Phil. It feels like

825
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Phil Spencer promised many many moons ago about first party

826
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 1>game each quarter, and it's like, look, Flight sim is cool,

827
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.800
<v Speaker 1>but most people, even with game Pass, we're not even

828
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna bother with FLIGHTSIM see.

829
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<v Speaker 2>That that's like one of the two games i'd a

830
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.920
<v Speaker 2>should be interested in personally, right, But yeah.

831
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's even more of a niche niche than

832
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:52.280
<v Speaker 1>than the fours of games are. Right though, It's like

833
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<v Speaker 1>it's cool that they playgate to that, right. I think

834
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:58.639
<v Speaker 1>it's cool that they are Our history un told exists, right,

835
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that that that's cool that that exists. But again,

836
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like that is serving one master, which is mainly PC,

837
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and then two It's like it's a genre that is

838
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 1>loved by that crowd, but not so much the console crowd.

839
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Same thing with the agent mythology stuff or whatever. It's

840
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.079
<v Speaker 1>cool that those games exist and they continue to have games,

841
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.239
<v Speaker 1>but they're not the mass market ones that are going

842
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.320
<v Speaker 1>to sell people on Oh I need to go buy

843
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.840
<v Speaker 1>a game pass for this, you know. So maybe they'll

844
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.280
<v Speaker 1>figure it out with this research thing, but until then,

845
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 1>we are going to be moving on to talk about

846
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:39.719
<v Speaker 1>something else. Follow up from what we talked about last week,

847
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 1>which was the whole Assassin's Creed Ubisoft stuff. Now we

848
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:52.559
<v Speaker 1>have news that Tencent and the Guimo family may consider

849
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>just buying out Ubusoft and making it public or private.

850
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, making it private so where they wouldn't have

851
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.639
<v Speaker 1>to answer to shareholders and they could I guess make

852
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:06.920
<v Speaker 1>probably a bunch of the same stuff they're already making

853
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:11.280
<v Speaker 1>because ten sent is the biggest publisher there is, and

854
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 1>you know they're not going to sit there and want

855
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.119
<v Speaker 1>to go what lose money constantly? You think the shareholders

856
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>want to lose money. Tencent doesn't want to lose money.

857
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>So if this actually happened, now this is UBUSA has

858
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>gone on record saying that we look at all possibilities.

859
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:30.039
<v Speaker 1>So they didn't deny it, right, but they also kind

860
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.559
<v Speaker 1>of said, oh, we acknowledge that this is being talked about.

861
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.199
<v Speaker 1>What'd you think when you saw this news?

862
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Just more of the same or I think it'd be

863
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>incredibly foolish on ten cents part, because you know, the

864
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.320
<v Speaker 2>big problem with that company seems to be the game

865
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:48.880
<v Speaker 2>O family and had like no accountability. If if it's private,

866
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>it's like, well good luck there. You know.

867
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 1>I think part of it is that you saw or

868
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.039
<v Speaker 1>not tense. I can't just outright go and buy them,

869
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.960
<v Speaker 1>right that, because then you're gonna get the FTC and

870
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the other regions uh involved, right, because you're making the

871
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 1>biggest publisher even bigger, and that's going to play well.

872
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:18.920
<v Speaker 2>You know when once Shadows comes out and likely bombs,

873
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.559
<v Speaker 2>I imagine Tencent might be getting out of the polisoft

874
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.360
<v Speaker 2>market and then they are really screwed.

875
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's say this does happen. They also own the rights,

876
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 1>the cloud rights to the Activision stuff. So I wonder

877
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:31.760
<v Speaker 1>if that opens up a whole in other can of

878
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>worms as well with the regulators, because the whole reason

879
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.000
<v Speaker 1>why they sold the TV stop was because they wanted

880
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 1>to avoid Activision Blizzard taking over in that sector. So

881
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>you give it to ten Cent, what does that say?

882
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:47.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, they don't just keep going, or you know, wouldn't,

883
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 2>or they could just assign the rights to someone else

884
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 2>if something does go bad. I'm sure there's like a

885
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.280
<v Speaker 2>clause you know if company.

886
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does, they go back to Activision at that point,

887
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:05.519
<v Speaker 1>if somebody else technically owns Ubisoft, right yeah. I think

888
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 1>what worries me is that if you're really concerned about

889
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:16.559
<v Speaker 1>what happens to Ubisoft now right like you're you're saying,

890
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.199
<v Speaker 1>we're we're all going we don't like Ubisoft's direction. They

891
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:24.280
<v Speaker 1>constantly keep floundering on these big decisions. If they make

892
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:27.360
<v Speaker 1>what do you think Tenset's gonna come in, They're gonna

893
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:29.599
<v Speaker 1>probably make them focus on a bunch of mobile stuff.

894
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, They're gonna make them focus on only the

895
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:38.159
<v Speaker 1>big franchises. You're not gonna have them try to bring

896
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 1>in something new. Maybe that means splinter Cell actually happens,

897
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.800
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. I just I worry about that

898
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 1>means they double down even more on Assassin's Creed and

899
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 1>not less.

900
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:53.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, I imagine splinter sell happens, but Sam Fischer will

901
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.840
<v Speaker 2>be gone up against Japanese terrorists, right.

902
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people that that are that were upset about the

903
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:07.000
<v Speaker 1>whole actors a Blizzard thing and and like consolidation more

904
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 1>in the gaming space. I don't want to see Ubisoft

905
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.199
<v Speaker 1>go away, even though those games.

906
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Are not my I don't want like, I don't want

907
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.280
<v Speaker 2>to have to go away either, but I want to

908
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.599
<v Speaker 2>have to get better and getting worse.

909
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, I just don't know if that makes that

910
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 1>would make them. They do need to get away from

911
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 1>having to worry about shareholders. But man, I wish it

912
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 1>was somebody else that was intense that they could buy them.

913
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:37.960
<v Speaker 1>And like I wonder if like Bungie hadn't gone in

914
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 1>this direction for Sony, Like if they would consider it.

915
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:44.639
<v Speaker 2>I probably wouldn't have enough money. I think its thought

916
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.800
<v Speaker 2>to still like number four, number three. As far as

917
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:51.519
<v Speaker 2>third party, it would have gone like the traditional would

918
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:57.960
<v Speaker 2>have gone Activision, EA, Ubisoft right now it's probably Capcom.

919
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.440
<v Speaker 2>And also Activision isn't third party anymore.

920
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:07.440
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean they're still technically, you know, their own

921
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:11.119
<v Speaker 1>thing just inside of Xbox, but their third party because

922
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:16.880
<v Speaker 1>they go to the other consoles right right. But it's like, listen,

923
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:21.639
<v Speaker 1>tencent owns so much little percentages of all these companies

924
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:25.119
<v Speaker 1>they own. They owned twenty two percent of Libertine. Yeah,

925
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 1>like you know, they own thirty five percent of shift Up,

926
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 1>the people that made cellar blades. Like it's like they

927
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.800
<v Speaker 1>owned sixteen percent from software. They owned fourteen percent of Remedy,

928
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Like it's you know they own that. What what does it?

929
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 1>You go ahead?

930
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I said, it's good way to get money. I

931
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 2>mean I keep that.

932
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know if you would you would you

933
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 4>want to invest one hundred percent or like ninety one

934
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:51.719
<v Speaker 4>company or would you rather sput it out?

935
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.920
<v Speaker 1>No? No, Yeah, their thing is smart. What they did

936
00:50:56.079 --> 00:51:00.559
<v Speaker 1>was smart Yeah, right, like I own all these other ones.

937
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, given the option, they'd probably rather own something

938
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:09.639
<v Speaker 2>like you know, Remedy or from Software obviously than Ubisoft

939
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>because they're much more of a prestige company.

940
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure right now, especially the way from Software has gone,

941
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:18.320
<v Speaker 1>they wish they could have more of that shure than

942
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Sony does. Yeah right, So like that's the thing is

943
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>right now, This is all talk. We don't know. It

944
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:28.679
<v Speaker 1>could change from week to week. The thing is right now,

945
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Speaker 1>it's not good. It hasn't been good for U Software

946
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:37.639
<v Speaker 1>a long time, right, ever since they they started canceling

947
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:39.199
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of games.

948
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.280
<v Speaker 2>And the real problem is it's all self inflicted, you know.

949
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, let me ask you, like, do you

950
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:50.320
<v Speaker 2>believe in the adage or do you believe in the

951
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 2>same give like you know, someone people should give. It's

952
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.000
<v Speaker 2>the given the audience what they want. Yeah, of course,

953
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 2>So do you do you believe that aphorism?

954
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? If you give the people what they want, they're

955
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:08.159
<v Speaker 1>most likely going to give you what you want in return.

956
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I kind of believe half and half, like sometimes you

957
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 2>should sometimes you know you should do something on your own,

958
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:18.280
<v Speaker 2>but really wants to like do it on their own.

959
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.559
<v Speaker 2>So you know, people have been begging for over a

960
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 2>damn decade. Hey, splinter cell, spinner cell, we will buy it,

961
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:29.960
<v Speaker 2>assuming it's good, but we will buy it. And you

962
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 2>know what to the X defy it or they make

963
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.119
<v Speaker 2>that other like mobile piece of ship.

964
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Because because Sick Siege was such a huge deal for them,

965
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:42.599
<v Speaker 1>then now they want more of that.

966
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, but you know the other six Siege wasn't that

967
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Aliens And they keep chasing you know, the live service

968
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 2>money that continually slip into their fingers.

969
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they already they doubled down on that.

970
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.119
<v Speaker 1>They said that that's the thing that they're going to

971
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:03.559
<v Speaker 1>keep going after is the big open world experiences and.

972
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.639
<v Speaker 2>The mobile crab mobile.

973
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:06.599
<v Speaker 1>And the live service.

974
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

975
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, But like if you look at it, a lot

976
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:14.599
<v Speaker 1>of their games, a lot of their decisions have not

977
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:20.800
<v Speaker 1>been smart. Like Nintendo even told them I wouldn't put out,

978
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:23.719
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't make a Mario Rabbits too right now. I'd

979
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:27.639
<v Speaker 1>wait till the switch to and they decided, no, we're

980
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:31.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna do this, and then guess what happens. There's diminishing

981
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:35.000
<v Speaker 1>returns because that game hasn't looked that much different than

982
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the other one.

983
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.280
<v Speaker 2>That one's a bummer because that's a better game, you know,

984
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.079
<v Speaker 2>So I take one of their few bright spots as

985
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 2>far as like improving on an existing game, and no

986
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:45.880
<v Speaker 2>one bought it.

987
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>It's the same thing with like Avatar was actually a

988
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.880
<v Speaker 1>really good game, it's just it. Also, you could just

989
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:54.800
<v Speaker 1>swap skins with far Cry and it's the same right

990
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:55.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of games.

991
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:58.800
<v Speaker 2>So it's like I got to kill six Navvy Aliens

992
00:53:58.800 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to crash a new wallet.

993
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's there's nothing special about it. Then it's like, oh,

994
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you do have a special game like principersa Lost Crown,

995
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's like it's in a genre that it's not

996
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:16.199
<v Speaker 1>everybody's favorite the Metrognea, so it doesn't. And also I

997
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.719
<v Speaker 1>think the fifty dollars price just too much for a

998
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:23.039
<v Speaker 1>game like that. But you know, that's either here or

999
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>there had already happened. But then like you have stuff

1000
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.960
<v Speaker 1>like Immortals Phoenix Rising that people loved a lot. Oh

1001
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.559
<v Speaker 1>we're going to cancel the second game, yep, so we

1002
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:39.320
<v Speaker 1>can have Roller Champion and Oddballers and uh big Heads Yeah,

1003
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Skull and Bones Exifiant, you know insert like you said,

1004
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:50.719
<v Speaker 1>some other kind of Live Service crap here, right, and

1005
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.679
<v Speaker 1>then you cancel the free to play division thing that

1006
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.679
<v Speaker 1>was actually sort of interesting, yeah, heartline, and it's like, okay,

1007
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.199
<v Speaker 1>all you got going right now is Beyond goodn To

1008
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 1>which we which now is the Beyond Good and Evil Too,

1009
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:07.960
<v Speaker 1>is now officially the longest game, the game that's been

1010
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:14.960
<v Speaker 1>in development the longest. Yes, yeah, exactly, So that game

1011
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 1>at some point's gonna get canceled by somebody, right, the

1012
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.679
<v Speaker 1>remaker Prince the Person's Stands of Time was so badly

1013
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.280
<v Speaker 1>received you had to like basically restart it, and now

1014
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:30.159
<v Speaker 1>it's not coming out for two years, and yeah, that's

1015
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of it. And then splinter Cell, we don't know

1016
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.039
<v Speaker 1>if that's ever going to come out, right, And it's like,

1017
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:39.880
<v Speaker 1>that's that's all we're doing. And it's like, man, remember

1018
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.239
<v Speaker 1>when you guys were coming out with fresh stuff. Yeah,

1019
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's not happening anymore. And and now you've diluted

1020
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:50.679
<v Speaker 1>your franchises so much that it's like, we know what

1021
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the U Soft formula is, there's nothing special about it.

1022
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:56.280
<v Speaker 2>But following the Microsoft Microsoft train.

1023
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just it sucks, man, It sucks to see you,

1024
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.320
<v Speaker 1>but we'll see well, go I'm sure that will continue

1025
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to be another thing that gets talked about here. Moving

1026
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 1>on to Sony for a sec just because they have

1027
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a few have one that's kind of a thing last

1028
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 1>week sort of of Horizon Online is going to be

1029
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the next thing from the Horizon series from Gorilla. It's

1030
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:32.400
<v Speaker 1>not going to be the actual like Horizon three that

1031
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.079
<v Speaker 1>people were hoping it would be. We've kind of heard

1032
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:38.639
<v Speaker 1>the rumors about this before. I don't know if this

1033
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:41.159
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be like just multiplayer or it's supposed

1034
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:44.760
<v Speaker 1>to be the MMO. There's been like conflicting reports.

1035
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:47.039
<v Speaker 2>On I'm having an MMO or to be like you know,

1036
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you and twelve other Hunters have to have to gather

1037
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.920
<v Speaker 2>around take out the level fourteen robot dinosaur or something

1038
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.880
<v Speaker 2>like that. You know, Yeah, let me ask you, do

1039
00:56:57.920 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 2>you want this at all?

1040
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I like the Horizon series as a concept,

1041
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:12.079
<v Speaker 1>I like Alloy as a character. I like the games, know,

1042
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think that that's like who looks at

1043
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Horizon and goes I want to play. I guess you

1044
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:19.639
<v Speaker 1>could have said the same for Lost of Us right though.

1045
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:21.920
<v Speaker 1>But like nobody thought Factions was going to be something

1046
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.239
<v Speaker 1>and then it wound up being something so yeah.

1047
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:26.559
<v Speaker 2>But they also crushed out, you know, the life service

1048
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:29.559
<v Speaker 2>part of that cant or you know, like like we

1049
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:31.920
<v Speaker 2>don't we just want to make the next last of

1050
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:33.880
<v Speaker 2>this game, or like make a single player game.

1051
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I kind of get it in a way, right, because

1052
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.159
<v Speaker 1>even though we always make the joke about Horizon, somehow

1053
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.760
<v Speaker 1>finds a way to come out at the same time

1054
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.920
<v Speaker 1>as some other amazing game and it gets overshadowed, those

1055
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:51.599
<v Speaker 1>games still sell well, right right. People obviously enjoy that

1056
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:55.199
<v Speaker 1>series for whatever reasons they do.

1057
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.519
<v Speaker 2>I enjoy it just you know, find enough. I don't

1058
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 2>like the last one that much, but if I make

1059
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 2>the third one, I'll probably play it. But them go

1060
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:07.159
<v Speaker 2>on a kay, it's a massively multiplayer game, or you know,

1061
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.159
<v Speaker 2>it's some live service thing. It's like, well, if you

1062
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 2>do the battle pass, you get a new boat skin.

1063
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:17.519
<v Speaker 2>It's like, great, let's not let's never do this, you know, but.

1064
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Speaker 1>At least that game sort of has something that you

1065
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:25.679
<v Speaker 1>could say, Okay, I could go in with all my

1066
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:29.039
<v Speaker 1>front with some friends and hunt the robots, and this

1067
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:32.119
<v Speaker 1>could make them want to keep making different ones that

1068
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 1>haven't been in the game before or something. Uh, and

1069
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.599
<v Speaker 1>you can add some story into it that maybe leads

1070
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:44.440
<v Speaker 1>into three or they kind of they're parallel, but they

1071
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.559
<v Speaker 1>have nothing to do with the main games. It's just

1072
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.760
<v Speaker 1>adding on to the like lore of it.

1073
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1074
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it could work conceptually, like they have

1075
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.400
<v Speaker 1>a point in making it or just this is like

1076
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.280
<v Speaker 1>because I don't think it's going to be dead in

1077
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the water, because it's such a big franchise. Like, I

1078
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:03.719
<v Speaker 1>think there's gonna be a lot of people that are

1079
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:06.280
<v Speaker 1>going to try it out. They wouldn't try out a

1080
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Concord or a fair game, whatever other you know, even Marathon.

1081
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>What's the good how many people tried out that Horizon

1082
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 2>VR game?

1083
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I think that's you're making people have to

1084
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.400
<v Speaker 1>buy a whole other five hundred dollars peripheral. You're not

1085
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:23.480
<v Speaker 1>having to buy anything extra for this, You're just having

1086
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 1>to buy the game whatever they're going to charge you

1087
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:28.239
<v Speaker 1>for it, if they charge anything at all. I guess

1088
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:31.280
<v Speaker 1>they could make it free, but I think being Horizon,

1089
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:32.119
<v Speaker 1>they're going to charge.

1090
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:36.239
<v Speaker 2>But sure, I think I think it'll come out and

1091
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.920
<v Speaker 2>it'll bomb spectacularly, and it really may it may it

1092
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.079
<v Speaker 2>may do well for like the first month or two

1093
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:47.320
<v Speaker 2>but then it'll be like, oh, player counts a thousand players. Yeah,

1094
00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.880
<v Speaker 2>that's not enough to make this thing survive at all.

1095
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, I mean, you know, I just think it's

1096
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.400
<v Speaker 2>like wasted, just like such a backwards backwards ideal, because

1097
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:01.639
<v Speaker 2>wasn't there some survey that said, likeeople like most players

1098
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:03.519
<v Speaker 2>the first single player game as.

1099
01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, it came out recently, and that's not a

1100
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.800
<v Speaker 1>huge percentage from what like that would be what forty

1101
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:13.320
<v Speaker 1>seven percent multiplayer?

1102
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but you have to like, how many of

1103
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:18.960
<v Speaker 2>those forty percent just pick one game and stick with it?

1104
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, definitely that's a huge amount. Right. But I

1105
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 1>think if you're going to go out on a limb

1106
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.719
<v Speaker 1>and continue to make these, going off of established franchise

1107
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.159
<v Speaker 1>is probably a better idea than making a new one

1108
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.840
<v Speaker 1>where you've the last time you did it it worked, right,

1109
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Hell Divers two worked even though it's sort of mostly

1110
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:42.480
<v Speaker 1>different than the original.

1111
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Helldivers to work because it's, well, the first game was

1112
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.800
<v Speaker 2>already multiplayer. It wasn't some single player thing. So that's

1113
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:53.039
<v Speaker 2>why I think, you know, it's just a perspective scene, yeah,

1114
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:58.639
<v Speaker 2>to a you know, better perspective. But I think trying

1115
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.280
<v Speaker 2>to you know, res out a few times attachment's creed

1116
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:04.400
<v Speaker 2>like they made an online part of that. After like

1117
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:06.599
<v Speaker 2>two or three goes, they're like, screw it, who cares?

1118
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.599
<v Speaker 2>No one cares, Like players don't care about this at all.

1119
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:12.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting that they're adding co op missions into

1120
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Shadows now because.

1121
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're gonna go back to the old. Uh if

1122
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:20.519
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't Victory, I forget what the fuck they called

1123
01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:24.599
<v Speaker 2>it the French one Unity, Yeah, the one that bombed badly.

1124
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, but yeah, I mean we we don't know

1125
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.880
<v Speaker 1>exactly what's all in it. They haven't revealed much of

1126
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:35.360
<v Speaker 1>anything other than it's going to have a new cast and.

1127
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Right, I mean I don't think first of all, I

1128
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:40.559
<v Speaker 2>don't think will be in it at all.

1129
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't either. I think you you kind of

1130
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:46.800
<v Speaker 1>have to separate a maybe you have like alois being

1131
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:50.360
<v Speaker 1>it at the beginning to kind of introduce it and

1132
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:52.760
<v Speaker 1>then that's it.

1133
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:56.840
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, once again, it's a shame that uh, Lance

1134
01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Redick has passed away because he would likely be like

1135
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the mission giver or exactly. Yeah, so I think there's

1136
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:07.840
<v Speaker 2>hime as silence or something, but like he'd be like

1137
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.559
<v Speaker 2>the guy going like, oh, he'd be like the quartermaster

1138
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:11.039
<v Speaker 2>or something.

1139
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:13.119
<v Speaker 1>At least they honored him an aster.

1140
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:15.639
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, uh, just.

1141
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Another thing since we're on the it was an important

1142
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:25.400
<v Speaker 1>franchise to PlayStation's early years. TECND and because these are

1143
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:29.800
<v Speaker 1>early PlayStation games that we're talking about, Harada was asked

1144
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:33.000
<v Speaker 1>about what about a Techning collection and he said, well,

1145
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because you know that era of graphics

1146
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:38.880
<v Speaker 1>doesn't play as well. It's the Marvel one. You think

1147
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:41.679
<v Speaker 1>he's right about that, Like, you can't have a Teching collection.

1148
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:43.400
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't sell as well.

1149
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I think. I mean, they're already like decent ray trade.

1150
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's ray tracing, but like emulation

1151
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:54.639
<v Speaker 2>efforts to like kind of punch that stuff up. I

1152
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.079
<v Speaker 2>think you could do that if you really want to

1153
01:02:57.079 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 2>do or just you know, like stuff to tech or whatever.

1154
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:03.400
<v Speaker 2>It still wouldn't look as good as like techn eight obviously,

1155
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:07.159
<v Speaker 2>but it would help. But you know who cares people

1156
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:09.320
<v Speaker 2>still like you know, Techning three because you just you know,

1157
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:13.159
<v Speaker 2>kick you know, match to kick butt Edny Gordo constantly

1158
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:16.320
<v Speaker 2>like or like you know, Teching Bowl and shit like that,

1159
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:18.280
<v Speaker 2>So why not you know?

1160
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I agree?

1161
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I hate to say, I mean, I don't like to

1162
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 2>take it at all, that's the thing, but like it's

1163
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:27.480
<v Speaker 2>probably the third longest lasting fighting franchise there is behind

1164
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.760
<v Speaker 2>like Mortal Kombat and the speed Fighter, uh and those

1165
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:34.719
<v Speaker 2>games that had collections before, So yeah, go for it.

1166
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:39.199
<v Speaker 1>And it also has crazy story that probab has its

1167
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:40.400
<v Speaker 1>own crazy story too.

1168
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, like the teching story is way crazier

1169
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 2>than anything Marvel or Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter's gotten

1170
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:47.000
<v Speaker 2>to do.

1171
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:52.280
<v Speaker 1>So and thank you've led Guilty Gaming. Appreciate that for

1172
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:54.840
<v Speaker 1>for liking and sharing. You know. It's one of these

1173
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:57.679
<v Speaker 1>things where it's like I would it sucks because I

1174
01:03:57.679 --> 01:03:59.840
<v Speaker 1>obviously say it's a money thing. Right, It's the same

1175
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:03.280
<v Speaker 1>thing where like they've been asked Ben Namco has been

1176
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:07.199
<v Speaker 1>asked about Zenosaga right of well, don blas to being awesome.

1177
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I bet there'd be a lot of people would buy

1178
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.119
<v Speaker 1>the CeNAT our games. Now it's like, well, when we

1179
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.679
<v Speaker 1>do focus groups, that doesn't play well, right, And it's

1180
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.239
<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of the same thing here, just we

1181
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.360
<v Speaker 1>got to know that there's support behind it before we

1182
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:20.320
<v Speaker 1>can start making these, because it's not we can't just

1183
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.679
<v Speaker 1>put out something and then nobody buys them.

1184
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.239
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think they would have to actually do

1185
01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:28.920
<v Speaker 2>like Teching one through seven, like that would probably be

1186
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:34.360
<v Speaker 2>a big haul. But Teching's one through five, well.

1187
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the ones that are not on modern consoles, right, yeah.

1188
01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't think the PS three one that probably

1189
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:42.559
<v Speaker 2>be taking six maybe, but yeah, Techan's one through five,

1190
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.599
<v Speaker 2>you know PS one, PS two error Teching, sure, yeah,

1191
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:50.280
<v Speaker 2>go for fifty bucks and yeah, borrow the emulation that

1192
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:54.480
<v Speaker 2>that Capcom is doing for their Capcom thing. Don't do

1193
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:57.239
<v Speaker 2>that just plugging the ROM or plugging the ISO.

1194
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Here you go, all right, being on to Nintendo, who

1195
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:06.880
<v Speaker 1>are once again being talked about, not because of their games.

1196
01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Not that Echoes and Wisdom is awesome, but I personally

1197
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:13.280
<v Speaker 1>am just gonna wait till that's gonna be my like

1198
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.320
<v Speaker 1>it switched to. That's gonna be like an extra launch

1199
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.199
<v Speaker 1>game for me for switch to at this point, or

1200
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe something I pick up early next year. If there's

1201
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:24.599
<v Speaker 1>like not a lot going on in January, I just

1202
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:26.719
<v Speaker 1>don't really have any motivation and like do anything on

1203
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:27.239
<v Speaker 1>my switch.

1204
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, once that card I got kind of died, as

1205
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.159
<v Speaker 2>I've done at this for a while, I guess now.

1206
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that it's being talked about because there are

1207
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:42.239
<v Speaker 1>other the other big emulator, not the Yuzu, the one

1208
01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:45.840
<v Speaker 1>that Nintendo shut down themselves this time they are sort

1209
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.079
<v Speaker 1>of involved with the Reugins emulator being shut.

1210
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Down, right, this is completely yeah, like they kind of

1211
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:57.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, the post that.

1212
01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Was made on Discord basically alludes to like one of

1213
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the developers got hit up by Nintendo to basically like, hey,

1214
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.199
<v Speaker 1>what if we offer you this and this, if you

1215
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:09.480
<v Speaker 1>just shut the.

1216
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Thing down, we won't sue you in the end of

1217
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:13.679
<v Speaker 2>the crater.

1218
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:18.239
<v Speaker 1>You know that we technically can't sue you because this

1219
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:20.760
<v Speaker 1>is like open source or whatever. The heck it was

1220
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:24.039
<v Speaker 1>the reasoning. But what if we do this and this

1221
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and then he goes next thing, you know, he disappears,

1222
01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't answer people's you know, texts and phone calls and stuff,

1223
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:35.079
<v Speaker 1>and the other person that's like majorly involved with this

1224
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.760
<v Speaker 1>has to announce that pretty much Reusions is gone.

1225
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:41.559
<v Speaker 2>The first guy's on the run, he's gonna he's still

1226
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:43.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna be programming, then the leader in secret and yeah,

1227
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:46.880
<v Speaker 2>uploading it from cyber cafes and like that.

1228
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:51.199
<v Speaker 1>And also not only do that, but Nintendo you know,

1229
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:57.159
<v Speaker 1>sued that mad chip seller right as well for him,

1230
01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:02.159
<v Speaker 1>and he agreed to like stuff, but he apparently is

1231
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:04.679
<v Speaker 1>not going to seek legal counsel. He feels like he's

1232
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:07.639
<v Speaker 1>going to just go at it alone at this point

1233
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:11.360
<v Speaker 1>against them. He feels like he has he disputes the

1234
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:13.280
<v Speaker 1>claim Sintendo's making.

1235
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.159
<v Speaker 2>The quote dodgeball, it's a bold strategedy cat and let's

1236
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:17.360
<v Speaker 2>see how well it goes works out.

1237
01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:21.719
<v Speaker 1>For what do you like think about either one of these? Obviously,

1238
01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, for the people that love emulation, this isn't great.

1239
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.880
<v Speaker 2>For I mean, I think current system emulation is kind

1240
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:33.719
<v Speaker 2>of is kind of legally dubious. Let's say I think

1241
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.719
<v Speaker 2>it should be valid if the system not being sold anymore,

1242
01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, that's fine because you can't get it in

1243
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.599
<v Speaker 2>a fucking you know, it's they're not losing money anymore.

1244
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:46.079
<v Speaker 2>But yo, if you could still buy and switch to

1245
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:49.239
<v Speaker 2>the best buy or whatever, like okay, this is like

1246
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.920
<v Speaker 2>it's a piracy thing. But then people who are going like, oh,

1247
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:56.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing it because like I I do have a switch,

1248
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.599
<v Speaker 2>but you know Zoll doesn't doesn't run great on it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to you don't have to play Zelda,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you don't like how run on a switch, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, move on exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing is, Oh, well, I want to test

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<v Speaker 1>out the game before I spend the money on it,

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<v Speaker 1>because Nintendo's games never go on sale.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, all I want to test out the game

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01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.920
<v Speaker 2>for thirty hours and then maybe seed credits and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's like, well, you know how Nintendo's practices are.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean that you have to play the game also, right,

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01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:30.920
<v Speaker 1>it's right. I understand for the people that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have legit.

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01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Access to it or but that's still such like a minor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or like the ones that if we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>stay down the line when the console is no longer

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01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:49.279
<v Speaker 1>being made and that game particularly is not being made,

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01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and you want to have a copy of it because

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only way, sure, whatever, But not when you're

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<v Speaker 1>playing Legends all the echoes, the Echoes of Wisdom two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks before the game came out. And I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about even the ones that got it early because of

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<v Speaker 1>breaking street data over. I'm talking about the people that

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<v Speaker 1>are just downloading it off a PC or off of

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<v Speaker 1>a website or a link or whatever, and you're playing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, what do you expect Nintendo to do?

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<v Speaker 2>You think that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, this is a small, small amount of

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01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:27.720
<v Speaker 1>buys that are not happening. But if I'm Nintendo, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you expect them to do? Just be like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool that you played our game without buying it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I'm not trying to defend Nintendo as in

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<v Speaker 1>they have some really bad anti consumer practices. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>be fair about that. I'm not sitting here trying to

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<v Speaker 1>say everything Nintendo does is great. It's not. But that

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<v Speaker 1>is the way Nintendo has established themselves for eons. And

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is people keep buying the remake or the

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<v Speaker 1>collection that sucks. They don't They didn't really updo those

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01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:02.399
<v Speaker 1>ports of More, but they bought them anyway. You know,

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01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the the other remakex that they do. If they're not great,

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01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:09.079
<v Speaker 1>people still buy them anyway. So you're not teaching the

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01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:14.359
<v Speaker 1>company anything with your wallet. So then you're gonna go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go to the piracy route. Well, what do

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01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you think the company's gonna do. It's like it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a weird take on on like why you do it?

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01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I get the video game preservation part of it, but

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01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:31.119
<v Speaker 1>you could preserve it and just not use the current

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01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:33.840
<v Speaker 1>release route. You can wait until that system no longer

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<v Speaker 1>is in service, and then you want to do that

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01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:39.760
<v Speaker 1>like we've always done with emulators, and you're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>under the radar a lot more. But now you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where nintendals for attacking people that are

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<v Speaker 1>like showing YouTube videos of people like having emulated it's

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01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:54.359
<v Speaker 1>emulated there on their console, and it's like, well, I

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01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:57.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know they've they've always just been that terrible about

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01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:02.039
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. So yeah, sucks for the people. But again

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's about and how you use it, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Any any final things here? I got it ended before,

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<v Speaker 1>we so really quick. Here what's coming out you know

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much tomorrow sun Hill to remake For the people

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't get it early, you can go get that,

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01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:23.479
<v Speaker 1>go play it. We already did. Mark somebody who played it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have thoughts next week. Mark will have more thoughts. Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>We have thoughts on Diablo for Bessel Hatred that comes

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<v Speaker 1>out in a few hours. There's obviously metaphory Fantasio. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>also have thoughts on that too. That comes out sky

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01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Ocean Wings for Hire, the like kind of Scars of

1315
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Arcadia indie version that comes out this week as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Europa comes out on PC and Switch. That's like the

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01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:54.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of like platforming Breadth of the Wild, sort of

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01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:58.359
<v Speaker 1>cool looking game that has some really awesome sights. Dragon

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<v Speaker 1>Ball Sparking zero also comes out Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure I could know who's gonna win. Goku z Made

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<v Speaker 2>or Goku z End.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's got some major, like big time pre orders.

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01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Seeple have been waiting for that game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Try Transformers Galactic Trial also comes out same day. Star

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01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Troopers Extormination also comes out the same day. So got

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<v Speaker 1>some interesting stuff coming here all in the same a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Backyard Baseball ninety seven. Awesome that they're bringing that back.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's cool. I remember playing that back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Yeah, so there's some really really good games,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of something for everyone coming this week. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the most PAC month, and the next week we already

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<v Speaker 1>got another great week of stuff with Never the New World, Ourternium,

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<v Speaker 1>even just Dance for people, even adventures to some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things. So yeah, all right, so thank you everybody

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<v Speaker 1>who watched listen all that stuff, whether you watch live

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01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:05.039
<v Speaker 1>or you watch later or you listen later, would you

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you Go write us a review on whatever podcasts

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01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:11.920
<v Speaker 1>or you use, and we'll and everybody expected by the

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<v Speaker 1>storm be safe and evacuate if you need to, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see here next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye.
