WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:22.239 This is a studio both and production. In understanding Hunter's Washington, 2 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:25.839 we have to take a few steps back and take 3 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:29.199 a look at what we know about Keys's crimes prior 4 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.200 to his move to Alaska, and how what he's told 5 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:36.159 us about those crimes may tie into eastern Washington. So 6 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:39.039 for the next few episodes, we'll be spending less time 7 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:42.439 in Hunters and more time diving into the at least 8 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:46.840 five Washington area victims. Keys told the FBI about the 9 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:50.759 male female couple, two separate victims who were buried using 10 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:54.039 his boat, and one victim whose body was found but 11 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:59.159 whose death was ruled accidental. Through my meetings with Holla, 12 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:03.200 Old and new FOIA files and other interviews, we've learned 13 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:06.680 a great deal more about these victims. But I want 14 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.959 to be clear. I believe that there are more than 15 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:14.560 just five victims in the Washington state area between two 16 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:17.680 thousand and one and two thousand and seven. Just because 17 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:21.799 Keys eluded to five Washington State area victims does not 18 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:26.840 mean there were merely five Washington State area victims. In fact, 19 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:36.840 I believe there's more than likely double that number. This 20 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:41.439 is true crime bullshit. The serialized investigation into Israel, Keys 21 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:51.760 season seven, Episode nine. Kutineye will begin in the Kuteneie 22 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:57.040 National Forest, a federally managed park located in northwestern Montana 23 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.200 that spans the entirety of the northern Idahope Panhandle along 24 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.079 the U. S. Canadian border. The forest is approximately two 25 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:09.080 point two million acres and it includes the Cooteneye and 26 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:15.360 Clark Fork Rivers, three major hydroelectric dams, Lake Kukanoosa, and 27 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:19.439 Priest Lake, among more than one hundred others, more than 28 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:24.280 ninety miles of hiking trails, and peaks with elevation greater 29 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:29.159 than eight thousand feet. The general area has always been 30 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:33.120 on our radar. It's a fairly small swath of land 31 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:38.159 that spans multiple state lines Washington, Idaho, Montana, and the U. S. 32 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:41.680 Canadian border. It would be a very easy area to 33 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:45.280 abduct someone from one state and then bury them in another. 34 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.639 In fact, the quickest route from Washington State to Montana 35 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:54.080 is a long route too, through the Cooteneye National Forest, 36 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:59.919 which just takes an hour and fifteen minutes its own, 37 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:03.000 about a ninety minute drive from Calville, and it connects 38 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:08.120 directly to Spokane via US Route two, the US highway 39 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:11.039 that connects Everett, Washington, all the way to Smyrna, Maine 40 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:18.680 to Keys hotspots. And while this area has always been 41 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:21.240 on our radar due to its proximity to Callville and 42 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.360 multiple state lines, it only recently became a central focus 43 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:32.360 of our Washington investigation because we received more Keys maps 44 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:40.520 from the FBI. Last week, a listener named Emmett reached 45 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.840 out to ask if we had received files from a 46 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.639 specific FOYA we filed earlier this year. We had not. 47 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:50.439 Luckily for us, Emmett had seen the riding on the 48 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.840 wall during the transition of power and cabinet appointments following 49 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.520 the twenty twenty four election, and he more hastily filed 50 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.680 this specific FOYA in fear of a shut down or 51 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.759 slowdowns within the federal government and FBI, which did eventually come. 52 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:09.599 And so while we waited for our response, Emmett sent 53 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:14.479 along his thirty three pages of maps seized from Keys, 54 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.519 and we'd only previously seen about half of those maps. 55 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.839 It's worth noting these were not maps extracted from his computer. 56 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.079 These are physical maps that were found from multiple properties. 57 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:36.680 There were maps of New Hampshire, Arizona, Washington, Oregon, Arkansas. 58 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:40.639 There were maps with keys handwriting on them. There were 59 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:44.879 maps he numerated. There were maps with circles and highlights, 60 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:52.399 and there were multiple topographic maps of the Kootenaye National Forest. 61 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:58.199 Here's the deal. I know what you have because I 62 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:00.240 know you have the computer. 63 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:03.040 Right and I've got maps. I mean, I mean, I'm 64 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:05.560 not I'm never going to bluff you Israel, Okay, I've 65 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:06.519 got maps. 66 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:06.639 That I know. 67 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.040 Come up with a bunch of other states. Okay, I've 68 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.959 got Washington, Texas, Utah, mon, I've got I could list 69 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:13.480 them out for it. 70 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.839 I like, I say, I know what's on that computer. 71 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:22.160 I know what you have. I know as time goes by, 72 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.120 the longer I'm in the system, the longer the investigation 73 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.519 goes on, You're going to keep finding things. You're going 74 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:31.720 to start to connect dots. I'm only going to give 75 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.560 you the dots that I know you're going to eventually connect, 76 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:44.319 basically what's on that computer. And frankly, if I hadn't 77 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:46.399 been picked up in Texas, that computer would be in 78 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.040 the landfill right now because I was going to get 79 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:53.079 Kimberly March twenty fourth new computer. So I'm telling you 80 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:59.720 that you Yeah, that's all you're a smart guy. 81 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.000 Get it, I get it. 82 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:03.839 But I'm not going to talk about those things that 83 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.399 I know you're eventually going to connect me to unless 84 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:07.920 I know that I'm going to get what I want, 85 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:08.519 and I don't know. 86 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:10.920 I tell me, tell me what you want. I don't 87 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:11.560 know what you want. 88 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:14.920 Well, it's related to what to that. 89 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:16.879 Case, so well, to tell me what you want if 90 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:19.399 that case didn't exist and we were going to connect 91 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:21.600 the dots on other bodies, tell. 92 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:22.199 Me what you would want. 93 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:26.199 I want the I want an execution date. 94 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:38.079 A bunch of maps, Yeah, anything, you should computer any 95 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:43.319 X on them, anywhere, highlight. 96 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:46.839 Highlights the. 97 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.120 Only map you don't have highlight. 98 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:53.439 I didn't believe highlight. 99 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.839 I don't know what about the map that. 100 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:02.439 When you hit There was one in the car. I 101 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:03.839 think it was highlighted. 102 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:05.720 When I was arrested. 103 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.160 Yeah, yeah, but I didn't do the highlight anymore. 104 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:17.240 Well, it was the interstate that was highlighted, and it 105 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.000 don't seem to really be an interstate kind of person. 106 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:21.920 Well, that's just. 107 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.600 As is mentioned in that clip, we know that some 108 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.720 of these maps were seized from his rental car upon 109 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:35.879 his arrest. They're the maps I already received and discussed 110 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:39.639 earlier this season, the map with Port Angeles to Los 111 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:44.639 Angeles highlighted, the map with Flaming Gorge Reservoir, and Salt 112 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.639 Lake City to Green River highlighted, along with other cities 113 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:54.079 in Washington and Oregon. And we know that some of 114 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:57.519 these other maps were found at the Constable House. Again 115 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:01.000 they mentioned it in the previous clip, and the copies 116 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.600 we have appear to be ripped out of an old 117 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.399 atlas and then secured within an old real estate mailer 118 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:10.439 that was sent from Winslow, Maine in nineteen ninety seven, 119 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:14.399 which likely corresponds to the Keyes family looking to move 120 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:19.680 to Smyrna Main the following year. It's unclear, however, if 121 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:22.920 those are the sole origins of these maps, or if 122 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:25.800 there are other maps in this file that were seized 123 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:30.399 from other places. What we do know is the Montana 124 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:35.879 maps were found in Constable and likely include the Kuteniye maps, 125 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:40.000 which were interesting because, in addition to their being multiple 126 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.519 of them, those maps seem to drill down on a 127 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:52.759 single location within the Kuteneye National Park. The Coutenie maps 128 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:55.559 seem to drill down to and focus on a stretch 129 00:08:55.639 --> 00:09:00.519 of U S Route too between Troy, Montana and Elmira, Idaho. 130 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:04.759 That stretch crosses the Idaho Montana state line, passes through 131 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:09.080 two large valleys, one at the Koutenei National Wildlife Refuge 132 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.919 and one just north of Lake Pendoa, and then one 133 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.960 narrow valley along the Yak River. 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Let's begin by taking a 185 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:27.600 look at when israel Keys could have been in Kootenay 186 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:31.639 National Forest and how those times may correspond to what 187 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.320 we know about is Washington State victims and any potential 188 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:40.159 victims we've looked at previously. Now, it's worth pointing out 189 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.320 that Keys could have traveled to or through this area 190 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.720 at almost any point between getting his driver's license in 191 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.519 nineteen ninety five and leaving the area in nineteen ninety seven, 192 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:53.759 although based on what he's told us and what we 193 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.600 know about this time in his life, it's unlikely he 194 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:59.799 committed any murders in the Washington State area during the 195 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:04.480 time frame Following his move to the East Coast and 196 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:08.639 then army training in Texas, California, and Panama. Keyes wasn't 197 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.679 back in Washington until he was stationed at Fort Lewis 198 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.559 in the summer of nineteen ninety nine. Our records indicate 199 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:19.080 that he first traveled to eastern Washington over Thanksgiving weekend 200 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:23.200 that year, when he visited Annie in Calville. He rented 201 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:26.159 a car and drove out for the holiday weekend, and 202 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:29.360 between his departure from Annie's and his return of that 203 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:34.720 rental car, Gary Shawn Bryant mysteriously disappeared from Morton, Washington, 204 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:40.759 not far from an armed robbery the following day, on 205 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.320 January fourth of two thousand, just eleven days before going 206 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:48.240 to Egypt, Keyes rented a car in Spokane, Washington. It's 207 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.399 unclear how he got to Spokane or for how long 208 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:56.440 he stayed. According to an FBI interview with Annie, Keyes 209 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.279 visited her again in Callville over the weekend of July 210 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:03.120 twenty eighth, two thousand and then again over the weekend 211 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.639 of October sixth, two thousand and According to a second 212 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.000 interview with Annie, Keyes returned in August of two thousand 213 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.399 and one to help her move from Calville, Washington to Holbrook, Idaho. 214 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:20.360 Keyes would return to the Calville area that December, when 215 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:23.240 Tammy reported that he took her son James to visit 216 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:27.679 his father over a weekend that month. And then, of 217 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:31.159 course there's that April second, two thousand and five trip 218 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.480 when Keys drove out to look at the boat and 219 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.120 visit friends in eastern Washington. He bought the boat the 220 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:42.840 following weekend, on or around April ninth, two thousand four, 221 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.519 and it remains unclear whether that happened in Moses Lake 222 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:51.559 or Port Angelus. But that boat trip or those boat trips, 223 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.960 they're the last time we can place Keys with certainty 224 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:59.759 in eastern Washington before his move to Alaska, and it's 225 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:02.720 the t trip the FBI and ted Halla are most 226 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:10.519 interested in. However, we do have two very interesting tips 227 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:20.720 placing Israel Keys in the Kuteneye National Forest. In November 228 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.960 of twenty twenty one, I received an email from a 229 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.120 listener who believed that Keys had followed her in the 230 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:31.879 middle of the night a long route too from Spokane, Washington, 231 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:35.399 all the way to Priest Lake in Idaho in the 232 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:40.159 Kutenaye National Forest. She wrote that the man flashed his 233 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:44.679 lights at her and continually sped up behind her, almost 234 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:49.600 touching her bumper, before slowing back down over and over again. 235 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:53.159 At times, he would wave his arms at her, trying 236 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:54.759 to get her to pull over on the side of 237 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.879 the highway. She would slow down, hoping he was just 238 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.519 trying to pass her, but he wouldn't. He'd pull up 239 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:05.320 right behind her until she sped up again. She had 240 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:07.399 just stopped to Philip Gass, so she knew that her 241 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.240 gas wasn't empty, None of the warning lights were on 242 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.000 in her car, and she could tell that her tire 243 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:16.639 wasn't flat, so she couldn't think of any reason why 244 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:18.759 this man would be trying to get her to pull over. 245 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:24.799 So frantically for so long the man followed her for 246 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:28.639 over an hour before she eventually pulled off the highway 247 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:31.080 to go to the cabin where she was meeting friends. 248 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:34.600 One of her friends would later tell her that this 249 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:37.919 same stretch of highways where there was no cell service. 250 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.399 She did not describe the driver's car nor his appearance, 251 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.360 simply stating that she thought it could be keys, and 252 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:49.559 she believed that this occurred over Independence or Memorial Day 253 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:57.320 weekend in two thousand six, seven or eight. Additionally, another 254 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:00.600 listener reported just a year and a half ago that 255 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.960 he believed he saw Israel keys at Priest Lake over 256 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.599 the summer of two thousand six. He described a tall, 257 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.039 white man in his late twenties or early thirties with 258 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:16.160 greasy shoulder length wavy air walking alone along one of 259 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:20.400 the lakeside trails. He said that the memory only stands 260 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.799 out because the man made him incredibly uncomfortable, and that 261 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:28.000 he was mirroring the witness's movements whenever the witness would 262 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.519 stop on the trail, so with the man, almost as 263 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.400 though the man were intentionally trying to keep the same 264 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:38.640 distance between himself and the witness. This went on for 265 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:41.839 a while until at one point the witness noticed the 266 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.359 man walk from the trail and into the woods, and 267 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:49.119 rather than proceeding forward toward the man, the witness decided 268 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:53.759 to turn round and head back. When looking at this 269 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.920 area and the dates we can and can possibly place 270 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:03.279 keys there, six cases immediately come to mind. One Helen 271 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:10.640 Suzanne Gracia, two Ellen Beth Sloane, three Nicholas Edward Welchlin, 272 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:18.720 four David Eugene Lewis, five Roxanne Mary Toulsen, and six 273 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:27.759 Zachary Weston. As you may recall from my previous coverage, 274 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:32.400 Helen Gracia disappeared from Anaconda, Montana, on May twenty third 275 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:36.079 of two thousand and eight. On the morning of her disappearance, 276 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:38.279 she told her family that she was heading out to 277 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.279 pick up groceries and a prescription for her mother, but 278 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.960 she never returned home from those errands. At some point 279 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:49.599 that afternoon, an eyewitness saw Helen with an unknown male 280 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:54.119 companion at the Rock Inn tavern in downtown Anaconda, and 281 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:57.559 that was the last known sighting of Helen. Two days later, 282 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:01.960 on May twenty fifth, Helen's was discovered parked behind a 283 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:05.240 different bar one block away from the Rock in Tavern. 284 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:09.160 Helene's purse, along with her groceries on her mother's prescription, 285 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:14.359 were found locked inside the car. Keys cannot be accounted 286 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:17.880 for between late February until early June of two thousand 287 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:20.440 and eight, when an old friend ran into him on 288 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:24.720 a ferry heading toward the Olympic Peninsula in Washington. We 289 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:27.960 do know that Kimberly was working in Rock Springs, Wyoming 290 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:33.359 from May nineteenth until June seventh. And while Anaconda, Montana 291 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:36.359 is barely a bullip on the map, if you drove 292 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:40.799 from Rock Springs to Callville, you drive right through both 293 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:46.559 it and the Cooteneye National Forest. Additionally, while it's the 294 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:50.759 less credible sighting, the priest Lake car incident took place 295 00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:54.759 over either Independence or Memorial Day weekend in two thousand six, 296 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:59.359 seven or eight, and Helen Gracia disappeared over Memorial Day 297 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:13.759 weekend of two thousand eight. Ellen Beth Sloane disappeared from 298 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:17.279 her home on South Shore Route and puls in Montana 299 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:21.720 on April sixteenth of two thousand five, exactly one week 300 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:26.039 after Keys bought the bay Liner boat. Twelve days after 301 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:29.839 Ellen was last seen on April twenty eighth, her silver 302 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.759 two thousand two Toyota Tundra truck was found seventy miles 303 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.759 away at a shopping center in Missoula, Montana, and it 304 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.200 appeared that Ellen may have been traveling at the time 305 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:43.559 of her disappearance because her truck was packed full of 306 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:49.559 luggage and her possessions. When Ellen disappeared, both she and 307 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.920 her boyfriend were riddled with legal issues. Ellen had recently 308 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:58.279 been charged with federal tax evasion, and she had just 309 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:02.160 posted bond for her boyfriend, who had been arrested for incest. 310 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.920 After posting his bond, she moved her boyfriend into her home, 311 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:10.160 where within days he had used both Ellen's name and 312 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:13.480 her son's name to attain lines of credit and credit 313 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:18.720 cards for himself, and ten days after her disappearance, her 314 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.279 son kicked her boyfriend out of the house and he 315 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:24.720 eventually disappeared until twenty nineteen, when he was arrested for 316 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:31.160 possession of meth. According to the Charley Project, authorities believe 317 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:35.000 that Ellen's boyfriend may know more about her disappearance, However, 318 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:39.240 he hasn't been charged in connection to it. And while 319 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.039 I air on the side of Sloane's boyfriend being involved 320 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:44.720 in her disappearance. There are few details in her case 321 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:48.880 that stand out to me. Specifically, this is right in 322 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:51.599 the window of time that the FBI believed the Hunter's 323 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:55.480 farmhouse visit occurred, and we know that Keys had been 324 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:58.920 in the general area at least once, if not twice, 325 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:02.599 in the weeks before her day disappearance. And now it 326 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:06.400 stands out because Ellen Sloane disappeared just ninety minutes south 327 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:12.799 of the Cooteneye National Forest. Next up is David Eugene Lewis, 328 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.799 who disappeared while boating on Priest Lake on July twenty 329 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:20.359 third of two thousand and four. There isn't much information 330 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:24.240 available online about David's case, but what we do know 331 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:27.359 is that on the morning that he disappeared, he told 332 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.880 friends that he was going boating at Priest Lake, and 333 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.880 that same morning he left his Sandpoint, Idaho home with 334 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:39.920 his unidentified car and boat. Later that day, David's empty 335 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:43.640 boat was found on Priest Lake with no sign of David. 336 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:48.000 Local law enforcement conducted extensive searches of the lake and 337 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.759 surrounding area, but with no luck. At the time of 338 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.960 his disappearance, David was fifty four years old and six 339 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.920 foot three and two hundred twenty pounds. While David's case 340 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:06.519 remains open, he is presumed drowned. Obviously, his case stands 341 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.839 out because of multiple sightings at Priest Lake in addition 342 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:14.480 to Keys specifically referencing one of his victims being presumed drowned, 343 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:18.640 but of course that could be connected to any one 344 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.640 of multiple people we've mentioned on the show before who 345 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:27.119 were presumed drowning during some sort of lake incident. Keys 346 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:30.720 can't be placed anywhere between May twenty fifth, two thousand 347 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:35.160 four and August first, two thousand four, although there is 348 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:39.279 one credible and terrifying sighting of him in Bountiful, Utah 349 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:43.599 in early summer two thousand four two thousand six. You 350 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.000 may recall this is where a man was aggressively following 351 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:51.119 a woman on the freeway until she finally parked. When 352 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.559 he noticed that she was pregnant, he got upset, asked 353 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.440 for directions, said that he was a contractor from out 354 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:03.519 of state, and then disappeared. The other three cases I 355 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.240 mentioned stand out the most because they don't just line 356 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.720 up with the locations and time frames we've been looking at, 357 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.119 they also line up with each other or other cases 358 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:16.200 we've looked at. Before. 359 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:19.640 Oh, one of the Washington things that was. 360 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.480 Uh, uh doesn't I don't know. 361 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:25.240 It's just no, it wasn't. 362 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:27.160 It wasn't s strangles. 363 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:30.200 Uh I hit somebody in the head. 364 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.759 So did that? 365 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:34.559 Did you mean to kill anim where they died? Is 366 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:39.039 there a struggle and you get them and they died 367 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:39.720 or what did you. 368 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:40.359 Need to kill about? 369 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:46.680 I'm trying to kill 'em? 370 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.640 I just uh tek them out of action. 371 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:55.640 I read that in one of those letters you sort the. 372 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:58.640 Mail you don't need no comfor. 373 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:03.160 That's a lot. 374 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:08.279 O d You mentioned that they gave you all. 375 00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:14.279 I should have asked. 376 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:17.200 Him, so give any copies so I know which ones 377 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:17.559 you would have. 378 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:26.480 We could go over that together and you could fill 379 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:27.160 any lags. 380 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:35.599 At some point in time, Roxanne Toulsen and Zachary Weston 381 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:41.240 disappeared within twenty four hours of one another, and Nicholas 382 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:47.599 Edward Welchlan and Celia Darlene Barnes also disappeared within twenty 383 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:51.440 four hours of one another. And we'll dig into all 384 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:54.960 four of those cases next week on True Crime Bullshit. 385 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:59.000 Most of our efforts have been since he passed has 386 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:03.119 been to really try to look at missing persons cases. 387 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.559 That you know, potentially be connected to him, knowing that 388 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.240 the data, we may not be seeing the data at all, 389 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:13.640 because you know, he made it clear that early on 390 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:17.680 his victims received little to no media attention. That you know, 391 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.599 he had this uncanny luck of grabbing people that didn't 392 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:24.200 go easily missed. But all he had to really look 393 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:26.240 for is what was already out there and hope that 394 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.960 you know, one or two of those may coincide with 395 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:33.119 one of his victims. And what we what I learned, 396 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.039 you know, is that with missing children, there's really good 397 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:39.240 databases and there's good records, but with missing adults that's 398 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:42.799 not the case. You know, if you look at people 399 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.359 that go missing from out of state a lot of time, 400 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:47.960 the record of their missing is from their home state, 401 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:51.640