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Speaker 1: Shelby, Shelby, Shelby, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic?

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Speaker 3: But you know, as a fan of your words on

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a page, it's like, how can you bring this to

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an end?

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Speaker 1: Please? Please you? This has got to be a stunt,

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a Hollywood stunt. You know.

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Speaker 4: Some days I wish that it was, and some days

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I'm so glad that it's five books of the universe.

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I am very sad to say goodbye, but I'm also

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excited for new projects. So I'm like right there in

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that bittersweet, you know, emotional ground.

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Speaker 3: I was wondering about that because I mean, I I've

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never done a well wait, I'm gonna take that back.

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I do have a book that that that needs a

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second part to it. But the only reason why I've

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never released it is because there's never been a calling

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for it. It's like everybody read the end of the book

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and they thought, wow, okay, it does there's no reason

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to continue it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and yet I still have the whole story,

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and it's.

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Speaker 4: Like, come on, it's not the end, guy.

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Speaker 3: Well this relationship with with Saley and Michael, come on,

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how did you even feel this inside your mind and body?

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Because for us to feel it, you had to have

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done it first.

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Speaker 4: So their relationship was very interesting because I had to

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rework it. So for those who don't know, Salie's the

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main character of The Shadow Bride, Michael is the mortal

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vampire who kidnapped her by accident, and then you know,

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of course they very slow burn fall in love and

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the course of the Carlet Veil. But I had to

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revise the relationship because there was such a power and

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balance in the original draft, because he is a mortal,

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you know, he's all powerful all of these things. And

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my critique partner read it and she's like, I'm just

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not feeling this, Shelby, And I was like, what you're not?

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And so I did. I brought it back down to

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the foundation. I reworked it. I kind of had them

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play more on each other's like he's, you know, he

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is all powerful, she's very she's very like naive. It

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was kind of I made it more opposites attract, if

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that makes sense. They're the chemistry and the tension and

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everything kind of stems from she's so different from him,

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so like, how does it work? And yet it does

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because they they see all these different versions of themselves.

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You know, Sale has grown through five books. Michael sees

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all of those past versions of her, and not only

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does he see them, he respects them. He really revers them.

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He revers Saily, and I think that that's why it works.

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That was what was missing in that original you know draft.

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Of course, you know writing is revising, so thank goodness,

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I did well.

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Speaker 3: This is going to age me. But I really, honestly,

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when I'm going through the through the storylines, I feel

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like this is a Luke and Laura on General Hospital moment.

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Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with that.

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Speaker 1: Are you that young? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Is it the opposite.

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Speaker 3: Attract It is one hundred percent? I mean, is they

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took over the nineteen eighties? And I feel like that this,

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this story here, it needs to become a soap opera

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of sorts.

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Speaker 1: Not not a binge watch, but a soap opera.

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Speaker 4: It's very soapy. I can I can get down with that. Yeah,

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I love an opposite of track, so maybe I'll check

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Speaker 3: Well, if Michael shows off his his his strength in

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the way that he now makes Shaley, you know internal

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of bringing her to a place where she can't go

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away anymore. Now he's got his hands on her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he so like threw out the.

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Speaker 4: Whole of the Starlet veil. He's very you know, brooding,

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very angsty, and he is very like, I will not

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turn other people into vampires because he turned someone close

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to him and they resented him for it for like

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the rest of their undead existence. And of course at

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the end of the show, at the end of the

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Toilet Mail, that's the same thing again.

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Speaker 2: You're he he's a mistake.

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Speaker 4: He just can't let her go, and now there's really

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no power and balance at all. In the Shadow Ride,

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they are very much on even footing, and even I

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don't want to spoil anything, but he goes further than

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that to make it so that they are actually on

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even footing throughout the course of that book. So that

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was that was fun. It was fun to watch kind

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of bring Michael to his knees.

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Speaker 2: Well, but this love of this like human girl.

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Speaker 3: See I call those giggle moments because I can just

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picture readers sitting there giggling when things like that happened,

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because it's you put us in that place of being

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right there like a fly on the wall, a close perspective.

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Speaker 4: So that's like the ultimate compliment for me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh, we're just getting started with Shelby. Do

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not move.

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Speaker 3: We've got more on the way next. Hey, thanks for

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coming back to my conversation with Shelby.

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Speaker 1: Maharan.

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Speaker 3: You have somewhat of a twist here with Flippa returning

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as a shadow of herself. I mean, were you at

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a Starbucks when this happened? When it came to you,

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I mean, how did you you know when to do this?

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Speaker 4: I knew that we were working towards Philip up. So

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that Sally's sister, who she actually died at the at

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the beginning off page at the beginning of the Serpent

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and Dove trilogy, which is the original trilogy. She's dead

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all throughout the original three books. She's also kind of dead,

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she is not kind of She is dead in the

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Scarlet Veil, and she does return in The Shadow Bride.

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She returns as a revenant. So you know, vampires aren't

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the only undead roaming the earth. Now we have a

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we have a huge problem because that people aren't staying dead.

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But I wasn't sitting at a Starbucks when I decided.

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I think that it was. I was always leading towards it.

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When I came up with the idea for the scarlet veil,

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Philippa was kind of right there at the heart of

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it with Saley, and I tried to throw that through

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with like Saley's memories of Philippa, like, you know, just

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like flashbacks of their relationship, just so that it wouldn't

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be so out of nowhere that Philippa is, you know,

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back she's back in business in the second book. But

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it is funny to think about all of these kind

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of big, larger than life, almost melodramatic things happening in

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our heads while we're just sitting at a coffee shop,

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or like I am, I'm just sitting at my desk

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by myself with my dogs like rustling behind me. It's

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funny to like to zoom out and like look at

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you talk about your dog.

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Speaker 3: And the reason why is because everywhere I go, my

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little girl is sitting behind me. Right now, she is

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with me at all times. I believe that that dogs

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are our muse They give us the energy to be

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creative people.

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Speaker 4: It's so true. It's when I'm having a bad writing day,

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it's so nice. I have three dogs.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I have three dogs and four cats and four kids,

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and it's just the surface.

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Speaker 4: Of my house all the time. But yeah, my pets,

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my dogs are with me all the time. And then

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there's one cat who follows us around two And it's

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so nice when you're having like a bad writing day,

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be able to just turn around and there are all

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these these creatures who are just like love me, love me,

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you know, and it is very it's very rejuvenating to

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be able to pause, you know, kind of refill the

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well with them and then turn back to the computer.

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Speaker 3: What do you do during those moments though, where you're

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trying to write and they want the attention? And sometimes

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I wonder what is it about their their personality that's saying,

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why are you bothering me when you know I'm writing?

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you that says, no, you need to get the heck

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Speaker 4: Here, right. They are very intuitive, So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Whenever I know.

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Speaker 4: This is my editor just hates me for even like

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saying it. But whenever my dogs want attention, I stop

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what I'm doing and I give them attention.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even if I'm on a deadline whatever, I'm turning

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around and I'm gonna pat the dogs that they're coming

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up to me and like nudging me.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, I have no choice.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is what it is.

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Speaker 4: They need something or like you said, they sense that

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I need something. So that's why I'm always late.

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Speaker 3: Probably what is the fast nation with with vampires? Because

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if you really pull the lens back and look at

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the situation with any vampire, this is a pretty messy

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sit Come on, this is a mess. How is it

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that we're so in love with this?

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Speaker 4: But that's why it's so interesting, It's because it's a nuss.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I've always loved vampires, so like Twilight's Vampire Diaries, Underworld's

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True Blood, they were like pillars of my adolescence. And

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a vampire. Yeah, Bram Stoker kind of brought a more

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refined like facade to them with Dracula, but they're still

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super powerful. There's still they have that prenatory speed, strength,

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they're immortal, they never grow old. They're like forever young,

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they're forever hot. They've seen things we have and they

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know things we haven't, and it's just kind of like

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the ultimate fantasy, isn't it, Like aside from the drinking

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blood part, but even then, modern media has turned that

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into something that's like ooh, you know, instead of like oh, so,

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it's like it's just kind of very fantas pasticle for

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such an all powerful creature like we see in most

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vampire fiction to fall in love with a human, just

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with the shadow right. Specifically, I thought that vampires they

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fit so well with Sale's character as like a backdrop

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to Sale's character because Siey she was very devout in

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the original trilogy, and traditional Western vampire lore is very

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it kind of has all of these religious undertones, like

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they can't walk on hallow ground, they can't speak the

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name of God. And Sale as kind of she's a

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strong character, but not strong in the traditional masculine sense.

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It was very fun to kind of drop her into

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a playground where it was like it doesn't matter if

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you would be physically strong, like they're stronger than you,

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and we get to watch all of that, Like you said,

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mess kind of play out around her. I just thought

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it was the perfect backdrop for her.

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Speaker 1: You said something here.

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Speaker 3: Now I've got to bring this up and hopefully I'm

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not going to step on anybody's toes. You said that

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vampires live forever. Okay, how are you bringing this book

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to an end? And if they live forever, come on,

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come on tell me right now.

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Speaker 4: I don't spoil anything.

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Speaker 2: Definitely ever appen.

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Speaker 4: It's such a thing exists.

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Speaker 3: Where can people go to find out more about you?

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Because I mean, every one of your books are in

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our library and it's just it's just amazing what you

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have brought to us as entertainment.

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Speaker 2: You thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: So you can find me at my website shelbymhurrent dot

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com or on Instagram at my name. My handle is

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at Shelby Mahuran and from there you can plan up

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for my newsletter, which is probably where I'm most active

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on substack, but yeah, that's where That's where I'm at

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online with all the announcements and updates and tours and

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special editions and everything. All of that information is there.

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Speaker 1: You're still on TikTok, though, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: I have a TikTok I've made.

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Speaker 4: I made like two tiktoks like three years ago. Think

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you're like, yeah, I can get into this, and it's just.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm with you. I'm with you. It's scary.

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Speaker 3: It's because I I don't know, it's it's it's I

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Speaker 4: I just I just think that there's no there's no

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filter at all, and it's kind of like people go

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into the comment sections and there's there's they can say

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whatever they want. It doesn't matter if it's me, if

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it's nice, whatever. There's like no, like I said, no filter,

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And that's very scary. It's like a creative as somebody

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who's putting a creative work out there, because people will

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have opinions on it and they're going to tell you

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what they are, whether you ask for them or not.

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On TikTok, I feel.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, and if you reply then they come

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back with another I'm going, God, why did they even

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start this?

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Speaker 1: Why did I start this?

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Speaker 4: Exactly there's no good there's never a good ending for

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like that.

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Speaker 1: Because they're not vampires. That's why.

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Speaker 2: Oh exactly right, agreed, Well.

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Speaker 3: You got to come back to this show any time

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in the future. The door is always going to be

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open for you, Shelby.

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Speaker 2: This is so much fun.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having men love to come back.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, how you too,