WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:05.639 We're in wait. 2 00:00:24.079 --> 00:01:17.040 Exist sis, welcome back to Midnight Viewing. I am your 3 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.920 host father alone and joining me once again, all the 4 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.840 way from Noise Junkies, all the way from the Sunshine 5 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:23.760 Cab Company. 6 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:25.799 Mister HP, how are you, HP? 7 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:28.959 I'm doing great, man, this is We're on a roll. 8 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.040 Here Fusco fest continues apace. 9 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:36.319 Yeah, you said it. This is an unexpected film festival. 10 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:40.760 HP and I found ourselves mutual lovers of the film Crossroads, 11 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:43.480 and then in discussing that, we discovered we kind of 12 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.519 like everything mister John Fusco has written. So here we go. 13 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.480 This is actually our third film in the series. We're 14 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.200 going in chronological order. So we took Crossroads, followed immediately 15 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:57.040 by Young Guns, followed now by Young Guns too. 16 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:59.840 It is therefore considered by the Court that will you 17 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:03.159 each bunny be had till he be dead? 18 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:11.199 Dead dead, You can go to hell, Hell, Hell, You're 19 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:12.520 gonna start at amigos. 20 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:14.479 You're not dead. Do I look dead? 21 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:19.120 The entire country is reading about our territory every day 22 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:23.360 in the journals. Should give him a proper burial, and 23 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:25.719 they're not reading about our growth towards statehood. 24 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:28.199 I never stole a horse from someone and didn't like you. 25 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:28.919 Just kill him. 26 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.479 What they are reading about is a twenty one year 27 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:32.520 old delinquent. 28 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.319 What's come? Who is making us look like imbeciles? 29 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:38.759 Politicians, bankers, cattle kings. 30 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.319 Let's come, I got eighteen dimes in each barrel. Boy, 31 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:43.400 you're starting to believe it. 32 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:44.120 There ain't about you. 33 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:48.120 You rode a fifteen year old boy straight into his grave. 34 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:52.520 Best already, Iris B. 35 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:56.280 And the rest of us straight to hell. 36 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:58.960 I don't take to tenderfoots in my gang. 37 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:00.680 And ain't your game, Dave. 38 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:02.240 It's how you're a chief. 39 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:05.680 One thousand dollars, mister Garrett to catch one and all 40 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:09.560 the resources you need to carry out the extermination, just 41 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.680 playing the game, Doc, defy one, William, pay your money, 42 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.159 even their horses are crazy, and then the game on. 43 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:17.039 Us. 44 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:21.599 We're gonna get out of here, Dave. It's your gang. 45 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:24.840 Oh my dang, it's your gang. 46 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:26.080 It's always been your jang. 47 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:32.120 Emilio Estevez, Keeper Sutherland, Lou Diamond, Phillips, Christian Slater, Balthazar Gemmy, 48 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:38.240 Alan Ruck, James Coburn, and William Peterson. As Pat Garrett, you, 49 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:49.759 I'll make you famous, young guns too, HP if you 50 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.400 were to come up with a subtitle for our Young 51 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:53.120 Guns too? 52 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.560 What might you have decided on a subtitle? 53 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:00.680 Young Guns two? Way better than the first one? I 54 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:02.520 don't know. You caught me off guard there, what would 55 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:04.479 your could? I think you? I think this is a 56 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:07.599 rhetorical question. You've asked me because you have a subtitle 57 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:10.120 in mind. So why don't you tell me your subtitle? 58 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:14.159 Well? I think the natural one would be Blaze of Glory? Correct, 59 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:16.000 that's true? 60 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:16.759 What was there? 61 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:17.120 Was? 62 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.000 There was an original subtitle to this movie? 63 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:22.959 I actually there is, as much as it would make 64 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.120 sense because of the popular song by John bon Jovi, 65 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.560 The actual subtitle for this film is hell Bent for Leather. 66 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:30.800 That's it. 67 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:35.240 Yeah, they chose not to use it. Now, that's a 68 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:39.000 phrase I've always loved. I remember it being used by 69 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:44.199 Martini Ranch in their song Reach, remember Bill Paxton's new 70 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.800 wave band from the mid eighties with that video directed 71 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:48.040 by Jim Cameron. 72 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:00.560 One as. 73 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:12.720 I can see. But when I think of hell Bend 74 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.639 for Leather, I think of Judas Priest and I don't. 75 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.839 But there's not much of an association between Young Guns 76 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:22.759 and Judas Priest Rob Halford, So I'm glad they didn't. 77 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:27.360 I mean young Guns too, is it's not especially interesting? 78 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:30.079 Blaze of Glory? I think you're right, would have probably 79 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:33.519 been the best alternate subtitle for the movie. I think 80 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:34.480 that works beautifully. 81 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:37.439 Well. Here's the thing, hell bend for leather? What does 82 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:39.959 it mean? I looked it up. There are two opposing 83 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.240 thoughts with the etymology of the phrase. Now, the first one, 84 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.079 of course a hell bent. Now that phrase has been 85 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:48.040 around forever. Hell bend just means barreling forward without any 86 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:52.639 thought or care for one's own safety. But for leather, 87 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.879 where does that come from? The popular opinion is it 88 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.240 just means it's reference to the saddle. You're riding the 89 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:02.120 saddle hard, you're hell bent for leather, you're riding the 90 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.439 range all fast. Whereas there is this other theory that 91 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.279 an animal that is so hell bent on continuing its 92 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.839 particular behavior that it might as well offer itself up 93 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.000 to be hided and turned into leather. So if that 94 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:19.680 is the definition and the reason John Fusco chose it, 95 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.759 then I think it is wildly more appropriate than Blaze 96 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:24.360 of Glory. 97 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:28.360 That would have made sense. But in my little tiny 98 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:31.480 brain I still would have seen Rob Halford riding out 99 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:35.800 onto a stage on a motorcycle with his leather garb 100 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.199 olpent alf Lenna. 101 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:42.560 Albent. 102 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:48.720 So it still would have been a little bit of 103 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:52.480 friction there in my mind. But I love your explanation 104 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.040 of the etymology of the term. 105 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:57.160 I never knew that is there any more or less 106 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:02.240 friction that than the association with Academy Award nominated song 107 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:06.839 Blaze of Glory by Popular Heavy Metal question Mark Remember 108 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:08.959 when the question was still in the air. Is he 109 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:09.959 a heavy metal guy? 110 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:14.920 No? Not one hundred percent, No, he's I mean, I 111 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.759 hate the term hair metal because that's it just seems 112 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:22.360 so much more reductive and it conjures up images of 113 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:23.480 one hit wonders. 114 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:25.920 We're just talking about poison when we say hair metal 115 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:27.720 pretty much glamb metal. 116 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.439 But I would call I would think bon Jovi's more 117 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:36.360 in like pop metal, because it's the thing about heavy 118 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:41.680 metal is that everything is dominated and driven by the guitars, 119 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:46.199 right the riff, Whereas I would submit that bon Jovi 120 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:49.519 and their ilk it's more about the vocal harmonies and 121 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.879 the vocal melodies. Right. When you think of a song 122 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:56.839 like Wanted Dead or Alive, you're not necessarily thinking of 123 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:00.000 the guitars. First, you're thinking of the melody. The singing 124 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.399 is so strong in the chorus, so I think that's 125 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:06.800 to me, that's where the dividing line is. It's one 126 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.560 is about guitars, and one's more about the sweet harmonies 127 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:10.879 the vocals. 128 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.439 Well second to that. Now, before we go any further 129 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.319 with young Guns too, I do have to address one 130 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:18.879 thing that I forgot to mention when we talked about 131 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:22.720 young Guns. This is absolutely germane to nothing to do 132 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.600 with the film or the filmmakers or anything. Just a 133 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:27.839 personal thing of mine. Where in my youth I was 134 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.360 friends with a fella who every time I would go 135 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:32.399 out to eat with him, when we sat down, if 136 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:36.360 he saw the waiter or waitress approaching with our food, 137 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.240 he would say to me from across the table, could 138 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.440 have killed you, but I don't want to kill you, dick. 139 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.919 I want to eat. For decades he did that, okay, anyway. 140 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.840 Yeahe was that someone I knew. Was that someone I knew? 141 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:50.879 Now you didn't know him, okay. 142 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.200 I was searching back through our shared friends. I couldn't 143 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:55.960 think of anyone who would do that, But that's pretty funny. 144 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.200 Released on August the first nineteen ninety Darring, Emilio Estevez, 145 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:06.159 Keiper Sutherland, Lou Diamond, Phillips, Christian Slater, William Peterson, Alan 146 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:09.120 ruck My god, it's a murderer's a row. I thought 147 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:12.320 the first movie had a cast Alan Ruck, our d 148 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:19.960 call James Coburn, Balthas Argetti, Jack Keith, Robert Knepper, Vigo Mortensen, 149 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.120 and Bradley Whitford. Oh and Scott Wilson as Governor Lewis Wallace. 150 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.360 By the way, Governor Lou Wallace, of course wrote Ben 151 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:29.320 Hur a fine tradition in the Wallace family of being 152 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:33.200 really creative. Anyway, Is he a distant relative? I don't know. 153 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:36.200 My name is Malone. With a budget that's twenty million. 154 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:38.879 With a budget of twenty million dollars, it eventually grows 155 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.519 to worldwide forty four and forty four million. Is it 156 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:43.440 a bona fide hit? I say it is. No matter 157 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.159 what happens, this is a fucking great movie. HP. What's 158 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:49.519 your first experience with young guns too? 159 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.519 Unlike the first movie, this one I saw in the theater, 160 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:57.639 which it's interesting when you talk about the box office 161 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:01.120 gross it. We live kind of in a time where 162 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.360 if a movie like a Marvel movie, doesn't gross five 163 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.960 hundred trillion dollars, then it's not a success. So when 164 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:10.720 you say it like that that it sounds like a 165 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:14.919 modest success. But at the time, if memory serves, it 166 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:19.120 was very much in the cultural zeitgeist because the bon 167 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.799 Jovie song Blaze of Glory was all over MTV. It 168 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.759 was Academy Award nominated. Like you said, for God's sake, Yeah, 169 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:30.120 I saw this in the movies, and since I wasn't 170 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.559 necessarily like that into westerns at the time, it must 171 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:35.360 have been a pretty big deal for me to want 172 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.840 to go see it in the movies, to take the 173 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:39.399 time to see it. So I saw it, and I'm 174 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.919 damn glad I did, because this is every bit more 175 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:49.639 vibrant and bigger in scope, bigger in pretty much everything 176 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:51.919 we'll get into than the first movie. So I was 177 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:53.159 glad to see it in the movies. 178 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:57.559 Before we go further, we mentioned the cast, but I 179 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:00.519 want to also mention the filmmakers. Obviously, John f wrote 180 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:02.759 this one. He wrote the first one. This one not 181 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:06.279 directed by the first film's filmmaker. This one is directed 182 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:10.200 by Jeff Murphy, New Zealand's owned Jeff Murphy. He did 183 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:12.399 a ton of second unit work on all of the 184 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:15.559 Lord of the Rings movies, but long before that, well, 185 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:17.840 he did Dante's Peak. Eventually he would eventually do Free 186 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.559 Jack after this, which I love that movie. But in 187 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:22.879 eighty five he did The Quiet Earth, which is fantastic, 188 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.799 and eighty three he did Utu also. Just anyway, Jeff 189 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:30.559 Murphy a superior filmmaker in every single way. Everything that 190 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.120 lacked in the first film is completely made up for 191 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:37.120 here because he is a muscular filmmaker and something about 192 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.559 coming from Australia helps. I don't know what it is, 193 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.039 but he understands our landscapes and wants to show it 194 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:44.480 to us in a way that maybe we hadn't seen 195 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.000 since john Ford, or at least in a different way 196 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.639 than had been presented originally by john Ford. 197 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:56.000 Agreed for me, this movie seems more vibrant, more widescreen. 198 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:00.000 For lack of a better term, it's the first movie 199 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.159 might have been more authentic in tone and story. We 200 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:06.080 talked about how accurate it was seen back when it 201 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:08.799 came out, but this one is more of a classic 202 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:14.440 film Western. I read interviews, heard interviews with Estevez where 203 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:16.759 he said he wanted it to be more like the 204 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:19.320 westerns that he grew up with, and he felt the 205 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:23.039 first movie didn't quite measure up in those terms. So 206 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:28.240 I think it just feels brighter, more exciting. The action, 207 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.559 like you said, is more powerful, more muscular. I love 208 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:36.600 that term. Everything is just bigger, funnier, more exciting. Better. 209 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:42.600 There's actually, by the way, before I go on, there's 210 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:46.120 actually an interesting thematic tie in with that. I was 211 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.519 thinking about this as I'm watching this, So there's a 212 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.559 wrap around story to this movie which sets it apart 213 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:57.399 from the first one. It's this old man Brushy Bill 214 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:01.080 Roberts is his name. He's meeting with an attorney played 215 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.879 by Bradley Whitford. He wants the governor to give him 216 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:07.639 a pardon because he was owed to pardon. He's claiming 217 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.679 to be the real Billy the Kid. But he's old. 218 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:14.320 He's an old man, he's like in his nineties. I 219 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:18.360 think when this wraparound story takes place and effectively, what 220 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.840 you have is this lawyer played by Bradley Whitford, wants 221 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.480 evidence that this is the actual Billy of the Kid. 222 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:28.720 So what you have is the movie is him telling 223 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.799 the story of him being Billy the Kid and going 224 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.120 on these adventures. What I love about the fact that 225 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:37.639 this is bigger, brighter, and more vibrant than the first 226 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:43.679 one is it's partly because I think it's Bill telling 227 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:47.000 this story, and of course he's going to be embellishing 228 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.519 it for the benefit of this lawyer. So in my mind, 229 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.519 that's a good reason why it's so much more brighter 230 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:58.240 and more exciting and more widescreen than the first movie 231 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.879 is because Bill is a unreliable narrator, and he's gonna 232 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:07.000 guild his story and make it more exciting, hence more interesting, 233 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.919 more more punchy than the first movie. That's how I 234 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:11.519 saw it. What did you think fought them alone? 235 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:19.919 I think including old Billy the Kid as his own 236 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:26.519 stories narrator not only allows for a grander canvas of 237 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:29.440 the story to be told, but it taps back into 238 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.159 what I like about Westerns to begin with, which is 239 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:36.320 the idea of tales told around a campfire. It is 240 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:40.320 part and parcel with all of Western lore. The Coen 241 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:44.440 Brothers made an entire film about Western storytelling, and here 242 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:49.399 it is delivered in as you said, it allows for 243 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:54.600 any historical inaccuracies or liberties taken to be written off handily, 244 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:57.720 which is a nice little parlor trick, but not what 245 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.080 makes it great. What makes it is, first of all, 246 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:05.519 it's based on an actual event. There was a brushy 247 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:10.600 Bill Roberts who did attempt to secure a pardon as 248 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:14.519 Billy the Kid in the nineteen fifties in nineteen fifty. 249 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:19.240 So it's not only that's historically accurate, and not only 250 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:23.519 does it allow Billy to aggrandize himself in the telling 251 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:26.240 of his own tale, but we get this Western tradition 252 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:31.000 of storytelling in general, and it allows for a fucking, 253 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:33.919 just on a fucking purely technical level, a fucking great 254 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.320 old age makeup on Emelio Estevez. At the beginning of 255 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:40.279 this movie. It's spectacular. Man. I thought like Dick Smith 256 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:41.799 had done it. It looked that good. It was a 257 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:43.080 little big man quality. 258 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:48.320 It's so good. It's easy to see cause I another 259 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.759 thing I gathered in my research was that the director 260 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.120 wasn't entirely sure if they should use Estevez in the 261 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:59.000 makeup or go with an old man, because he didn't 262 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:01.759 know if he could pull it off. But by god, 263 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:03.919 when you see him in that old age makeup, it's 264 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:09.519 he is unrecognizable as the young vital Emelio Estaves. It's 265 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:11.799 so it's such an amazing makeup job. 266 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.879 And here's why they needed Emilio Estavis in the role, 267 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:16.559 because the only thing that's going to betray it is 268 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:19.360 the voice. Because the makeup is so fucking good and 269 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:23.080 his voice is so great. I forget how much he 270 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.919 narrates in the movie and how much I enjoy it, 271 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:31.399 and it particularly what I enjoy is that this is 272 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:34.440 a standalone movie. It's the Young Guns too, But there 273 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.559 is absolutely zero necessity. Two of you have seen any 274 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.039 of the first film, and that's in large part thanks 275 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.720 to Bill's narration. I mean, he lets us know who 276 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.679 everyone is, and he's introducing us to characters anyway that 277 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:50.600 we weren't really privy to in the first film. 278 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.039 That's true, I mean it can only I mean it'll 279 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:57.320 enrich your experience if you're familiar, because obviously he's reintroducing 280 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:01.960 you to Doc Scurlock and shot. So it's great. But 281 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.799 you're right, it is kind of its own self contained story, 282 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:06.880 and you're not going to have a trouble following the 283 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:08.960 movie if you don't. If you haven't seen the first one, 284 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:10.319 it can. It works on its own. 285 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.079 So what do you think was Brushy Bill Roberts actually 286 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:20.599 William H. Bonnie? Did Patrick Garrant shoot another man entirely 287 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:25.319 in the presence of McIntyre? And what's say John W. Poe? 288 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:28.640 John W. Poe was sent to have they were the 289 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.319 only two witnesses to the actual shooting of Billy the Kid, 290 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.839 And it was in a darkened room. And John W. 291 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.759 Poe is said to have said, immediately following, you shot 292 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:37.440 the wrong man. 293 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:42.119 It's certainly possible. I mean the I guess when he 294 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:46.559 pleaded his case, there were still some surviving associates of 295 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:50.079 Billy the Kid that testified on his behalf, saying, yes, 296 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:53.559 this is the actual Billy the Kid. If nothing else, 297 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:57.119 it makes for our wonderful kind of little myth. What 298 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.200 was he or wasn't he? It could be. I if 299 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.599 you're asking what I personally believe, and I'm someone who 300 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.319 likes myths, I think there's a good chance that he 301 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.000 was the actual Billy the Kid. I mean, who's to say? 302 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:13.000 I want it so badly to be true. However, one 303 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:17.519 witness said that Brushy Bill Roberts was illiterate and he 304 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:20.119 knew Billy the Kid, and Billy the Kid could read 305 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:20.799 and write. 306 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:25.160 Well, it's interesting. I didn't know that part. 307 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:29.160 And he said Billy was more than functional with Spanish. 308 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:32.640 And they said Brushy Bill Roberts could basically string a 309 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.279 few words together. I don't know. 310 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:39.240 I wonder what Fusco believes. Has he ever talked about 311 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:41.799 whether he believes that it's true or not, because it's 312 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:43.599 an interesting question that he poses. 313 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.200 I have not spoken to him about that. But hey, everybody, 314 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.640 we have spoken to John Fusco. He's apparently the well 315 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.119 we're fans of his. Is he listening to the show? 316 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:55.160 I don't know if he is. Hi, John, mister Fusco, 317 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:58.039 I don't mean to be familiar with you, but we 318 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:00.799 have spoken to him. He referred to us as and 319 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:02.279 I'm going to take that to the grave. 320 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.119 That's amazing. Thank you so much for the support. John, 321 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:09.240 appreciate it. If you're listening, of course. But yeah, I 322 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:13.000 think it's certainly possible. I don't know. It's a little sad. 323 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:15.720 I mean, he died not long after he pled his 324 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:17.559 case to the governor. 325 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.440 Right not long after he was denied the case by 326 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:19.920 the governor. 327 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.279 Certainly, I just I think it's a brilliant It's a 328 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.960 brilliant device by Fusco to add that rap around story because, 329 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:29.400 like you said, and enriches the storytelling altogether. 330 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.720 We'll get to William Paterson because there's a lot to 331 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:36.240 talk about when it comes to Patrick Floyd Garrett. Let's 332 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:39.160 talk our newest member of the gang, the leader of 333 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.799 the gang according to him, arkanstast Dave Rudabah played by 334 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:47.440 Christian Slater, a star on the Rise circa nineteen ninety 335 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.920 Who is that young man who speaks like Jack Nichol 336 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.599 Sinator is so hand sat Helen Slater's actual brother, because 337 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:54.920 they're in that movie together. 338 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:57.319 He was probably never bigger than he was at this 339 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.559 point father alone, because he had already done heav which 340 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.839 was star making, especially for people of our age. I 341 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:06.359 probably saw Heather's five times in the theater. I loved it. 342 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.200 He was about to have Pump Up the Volume released, 343 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:15.400 which was another seminal Christian Slater movie. So he was 344 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:17.680 a very welcome sight for me because he was really 345 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:20.960 a star on the rise, maybe the biggest star on 346 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.440 the rise in this picture, the one who was on 347 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.519 the sharpest descent, if you will, and I gotta say 348 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:31.920 he I can't comment on how authentic his performance is, 349 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:34.960 but I can tell you that to me, he seems 350 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.960 to be the most effortless. He just is so smooth 351 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:43.319 his delivery for somebody. This is maybe his third or 352 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:45.920 fourth movie, Like it's not as if he was a 353 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:50.079 huge star at this point. He's so fucking charismatic, and 354 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:53.880 he's so smooth, and he's funny, and he pulls off 355 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:57.039 the action really well. I think he is terrific in 356 00:20:57.079 --> 00:20:58.160 this movie. 357 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:01.519 They end up trying to pain him as a bit ineffectual, 358 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:06.079 but because it's Christian Slater, he seems to be an 359 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:11.279 actual contender for leadership of that gang. It's as you said, 360 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.519 he seems to have moved effortlessly into this film. He 361 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:16.960 seems like he's always been there, like he was part 362 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.000 of the Lincoln County War that we somehow never saw 363 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:23.960 and just flushed with confidence. It's kind of crazy. He's 364 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:26.759 just a movie star effectively, but at the same time 365 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.279 giving a fucking really good performance. Because Arkansas, Dave Rudabat 366 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:35.559 is a cocksucker, Like that's the switcheroo here is like 367 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:39.960 we're giving Christian Slater and his endless charm layered on 368 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:45.079 top of a completely self obsessed and just downright nasty 369 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.160 human being, much worse than Dirty Steve. 370 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:51.839 That's one thing that I wanted to ask you about 371 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:54.599 because Dirty Steve, as we talked about in the previous 372 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:58.599 episode of Young Guns, he is portrayed in the movie 373 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:04.960 as the dirtiest, smellius, most disgusting, and cowboy. And it's 374 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.160 my understanding that Dave Ruteba was supposed to be every 375 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:12.000 bit as filthy who refused he had an aversion to water, 376 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:15.200 so he wouldn't bathe. That's the only thing that I 377 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:19.279 don't get from Christian Slater's performance, Like he doesn't slather 378 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:22.039 on the grime and the filth the way that Dermott 379 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.640 mulroney did. But I guess that's quibbling. Historically, I suppose. 380 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:30.000 I understand that he was also known as dirty Dave Rudabah, 381 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.000 but I've heard that was applied after his death, so 382 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.640 it's not just sour grapes on some people's parts. Oh 383 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:38.119 you know what else about him? He never bathed, Yeah, 384 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:41.559 that Dave Rudeball. He never bathed. He was an Arkansas David, 385 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:46.480 but he was dirty Dave Rudba so good, by the way, HP, 386 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:50.480 Before we go any further, I do three impressions. One 387 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:53.880 of them is in this film, are you ready ready? 388 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.160 A should get one hundred dollgies for his trigger finger. 389 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:00.119 You do a pretty good Owen Wilson too. I will 390 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:00.640 say that. 391 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:01.839 I don't do it. Owen Wilson. 392 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:03.160 You do wow. 393 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:06.880 Yeah, but everyone does Wow. That's not I don't count 394 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:09.200 that as one of my three impressions. One of them 395 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.319 is a guy who dies first in Young Guns. 396 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:16.119 He is literally the first guy shot by Billy. 397 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:20.160 Okay, so that's that's the mister Christian Slater. Now before 398 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:24.319 we get to William Peterson as Patrick Floyd Garrett Alan 399 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:28.440 Ruck as William Hendry French so good. 400 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.519 So the name is great too, Hendry William French. He 401 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:35.079