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Speaker 4: Now number two OTB one oh four five ESPN Ben Route.
It is now time for the OTB Top twenty five
and we are getting to number nine. A quick recap
at twenty five, it's Boise State at twenty four, Memphis
at twenty three, Baylor at twenty two, Georgia Tech at
twenty one, Tennessee at twenty, Iowa State at nineteen, Texas
A and M at eighteen, Indiana at seventeen, Ole Miss
fifteen or sixteen, Florida fifteen, Texas Tech fourteen, SMU thirteen,
Arizona State twelve at Alabama eleven, Miami at number ten.
It was Illinois and at number nine a Landra at lumber.
Speaker 3: Nine, Villa Reale.
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do it, guys.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 5: No, what Texas I'm putting Texas at Yeah, alright, do
what you get. I'm not ready to crown them number one,
not ready to put them in the top five yet.
I just feel like they have so much to prove.
That's kind of I feel like that's kind of the
storyline for Texas in general coming into the season. Obviously,
Arch Manning, we've talked about it at nauseum about how
he has so much to prove, all of this pressure
on him because everybody's crowning him the Heisman winner in
the preseason before we've seen anything from him. But they
lose twelve of their starters, a lot of their defenses returning,
but well, the defense also finished ranked third last season.
They only have one returner on their O line, so
that's a little and Steve Sarkisian himself also said that
that's probably his biggest concern two weeks out into the
two weeks out from the season. But they lose two
very productive wide receivers, but they keep Wisner, who was
very very productive for the offense, rushed for over one
thousand yards last season. Like I said, they lose Isaiah
Bond and Matthew Golden, but they return Ryan Wingo who
had some playing time last season, and DeAndre Moore junior.
They both had like four over four hundred receiving yards.
And then they get Khalie Lockett, who is a true freshman,
five star recruit who's poised to make an impact on
this team. And they do have a pretty favorable schedule. So,
but does anybody here in this room think that they'll
win the opener?
Speaker 2: I do not. I think they lose to host it.
Speaker 3: I think they lose.
Speaker 4: I think they lose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they lose by double.
Speaker 3: Digits, but they'll lose.
Speaker 6: I'm actually with you on that one.
Speaker 4: Horns down the Texas really good Defensively, They're great, They're
no doubt about it. They got the best player in
the country and Jem Smith I think is really good defense.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Like I said, they're returning defense, yes, exactly. And
those are where all my questions are. I think that's
where majority of people's questions are is on the offense.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it is they're ranked number
one on everything that's actually fair, arc is going number
one in the draft next year? Are there questions for me?
Speaker 3: There are?
Speaker 2: Their polls don't matter.
Speaker 5: Their polls don't matter. The only one that matter is
the OTV poll. They do get a couple of defensive
linemen in the portal. They had like a very quiet
portal haul of only five players that they signed. But
one of the also another big loss for Texas is
Gunner Helms and he was a like you talk about
safety blanket. He was quin you were safety blanket. But
they go into the portal and they signed Jack Injuries
from cal and then another wide receiver from Stanford who
had five hundred and twenty five receiving yards last season,
So they do replace some of it. They do have
some returners that are wide receivers, but they don't have
Matthew Golden and Isaiah Bond Gunner Helms and uh yeah,
I'm gonna put them at ten or nine, sorry nine.
Speaker 2: When we get all the way to one, can we like,
as a stage, can we make a press release with
our top twenty five and see of people picking up
We should see how far somebody can pick this up.
Like radio station North Dakota talking about these.
Speaker 5: Idiots, I think we should Texas Texas audio stations.
Speaker 6: And we not put like baton rouge on it and
just be like just put it out and people are like.
Speaker 2: Ye love it.
Speaker 4: Texas schedule we all know that's where I was at
Ohio State Landra, what does it look like after you
played the buck Eyes on the road.
Speaker 5: So you host San Jose State and then you host
U T L Paso, You host Sam Houston, so again
a favorable schedule, but then you go to Florida and
if DJ Lagway in Florida is as good as everybody
saying they are, then they might have some troubles there.
They host Oklahoma, which that's played in the Cotton Bowl usually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're the home team this year. Yeah, that's
gonna be.
Speaker 5: At Kentucky at Mississippi States.
Speaker 2: Those are wins.
Speaker 5: Then they host Vanderbilt at Georgia which is gonna be tough,
host Arkansas, and then they also in the season hosting
Texas A and M, which might also maybe be.
Speaker 4: A tricky one.
Speaker 3: So well stretch for them to end the season. Now
two of those games are at home.
Speaker 4: Look, those schedules certainly not one of the more difficult
ones in the in the Southeastern Conference, it was not,
and now it's just flipped and just where they play
the game is different.
Speaker 2: So buddy, they're gonna get them, fear Mater, You.
Speaker 4: Do have look you've got a Georgia problem, and so
you're playing at Georgia on November the fifteenth, and then
you have two rival games against Arkansas and Texas A
and M.
Speaker 3: Again, both those games are at home.
Speaker 4: But with this schedule, like, I think that's maybe why
a lot of people like Texas as well. It's the schedule,
ye Like when you look at THEIRS compared to Oklahoma's,
or THEIRS compared to Florida, or There's compared to even LSU,
doesn't compare right right now outside now, look, I give
you a lot of credit for going to play Ohio
State on the road, but I'm talking about just the
conference portion of this.
Speaker 3: You you know, you go against a fifteenth.
Speaker 4: Rank Florida team and a nineteenth rank Texas A and
M team, So your your schedule really comes down to
at Ohio State and at Georgia for me, which is
two brutal games, don't get me wrong. But outside of that,
everything else feels like you can manage it.
Speaker 6: I think even if they lose game one to Ohio State,
probably still picking Texas to go ten and two. I mean,
it's going to be tough in Florida. I think Texas
is a better team. They could lose the Oklahoma game,
but you get past Florida and Oklahoma, you're likely not
losing a game until you get.
Speaker 2: To ten and two, losing the playoffs. That's a good
recipe for number nine in the country at the end
of the year.
Speaker 3: Very fair summer.
Speaker 6: I like, I love their defense. Their offense concerns are a
little bit not because of Arch. I think Archer is
going to be good. We do have to see it,
you know, before we can and annoyed him the king
of college football. But they lose their top three receivers
here ago. Now Sark did a great job, brought in
two different five stars, Khalik Lockett, but also Jamie French,
who LSU wanted very badly. You get wise in their back.
Speaker 2: But Jayden Blue, he got.
Speaker 6: You a lot of tough yards last year. He plays
for the Dallas Cowboys. Now he's gone as well. Like
as good as that defense is going to be. The offense,
I think it's gonna be good. But out of the gate,
you gotta play a good defense like Ohio stage. I
think they're gonna sputter a little bit out of the game.
But I think Texas is gonna be really good.
Speaker 2: What's the line four and a half four at so
interesting comment in the chat right now, somebody said Texas
would be favored over a house state if it was
at Texas. That's true, I don't think so. I think
probably favored. I don't think they'd win, but I think probably.
You think they'd be the betting favorite probably right now.
I think so.
Speaker 6: I mean, just look at them on paper, They're not
that dissimilar, ye, And I mean, what they're three If
they're a three and a half point.
Speaker 3: Favorite alive, the lines down to two, okay.
Speaker 2: So yeah, something would be even money. Any more.
Speaker 3: Thoughts on the Texas Longhorns.
Speaker 4: I think obviously they are going to go as arch
Manning takes them. I think their defense is going to
keep them in every single game that they play this year.
I think it's gonna be one of the best defenses
in the country. Can their playmakers make plays. They get
some running backs back from injury, that's going to be big.
They returned the only thousand yard rusher in the SEC.
That's also going to help any young quarterback. You know,
the receiver position is going to be critical, the offensive
line is going to be critical, but it's going to
go as arch Manning goes. I think we can all
agree there, yeah, agreed, Yeah, Marcision, pretty.
Speaker 3: Good play, caller, it's pretty good play.
Speaker 2: But you gotta you gotta worry about the longevity the
team's gonna have. They are not real hydrated. Oh, I
think we kick him out of the top ten because
of that, making me horns down.
Speaker 4: All right, the Texas Longhorn, I'm with you, the number
nine team and the OTB Top twenty five.
Speaker 3: Uh, tomorrow will be number eight.
Speaker 4: And then on the final day if you're trying to
do some quick math there you're wondering, Wait a minute,
you don't have enough days. Actually number two and number
one will be on the Friday before the opening weekend
of college football. We go there, you go, number nine,
the Texas Longhorns. All right, we will take a break,
and when we come back, doctor stephn Ethridge will join us.
We'll talk about some of the injuries going across the NFL.
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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in O TV one four five
ESPN Baton Rouge one of our absolute favorites. Doctor Stephen
Athers joins us now feels like old six to eight radio,
right radio, hanging with Hester.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a little weird at night, but that
was this was like the one time one segment that
gave us a little like legitimacy to like actually talking serious.
So we're bringing it back to the mornings. Give me
too much credit there, no, no, no, all right, I
got doctor your name, so yes.
Speaker 4: So you know we obviously I'm gonna talk some injuries
here with doctor Etheridge, and like more than just like
get into okay, this guy and this injury, what's the timetable?
Like just the injury itself is typically what we kind
of get into there. So obviously there's you know, some
Saints offensive linemen there down there's some Saints tight ends
that are down right now. But okay, so turf toe
is one of the things that is keeping a Saints
offensive lineman out right now. And we were kind of
joking because I had the same thought as you had
growing up. When Dion Sanders had turf toe. I remember
hearing that as you know, gosh, ten year old whatever,
it was like turf toe. Man, if I said, if
I told my dad, I can't go out there because
I got turf toe, you know what you would say
to me? What is turf toe? And like how long
is that recovery? And when you go out there, is
it a situation where you can try to get back
too soon and you know, just continue to hurt it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's funny because like you said, it's it's one
of those things that just does sound like a big deal.
Speaker 3: It's a toe injury. We don't think a whole lot
about that.
Speaker 8: But when you're talking about a turf toe, it's specifically
a big toe injury, so the great toe of the
big toe. And sometimes they'll lump a few different diagnoses
in that category. But technically, when we talk about a
turf toe, it's an injury to what's called the plant
or plate, so that's on the bottom of the toe,
so it's the area right at the base of the
big toe. And what happens is that toe gets hyper extended.
So if your foot's kind of bent and you come
down the front of that toe and that hyper extended position,
especially if you have like all your weight come down
on or somebody falls on the back of your foot
or falls on your body, you can sprain or even tear.
Speaker 3: That ligament is kind of capsule under the toe.
Speaker 8: And so then every time you try to push off,
And as much as we don't think of toe as
being that important, especially that big toe, if you think
about how much with a sport you're up on your toes,
you're pushing off everything you do.
Speaker 3: That's explosive.
Speaker 8: So even as alignment, when you're getting out of your stands,
when you're having this kickstep and come back and land
on that toe in that bent position, every time you're
hitting that tear, every time you're hitting that injury. So
while it doesn't sound like it's that big of a deal,
I mean it can be excruciating it and functionally very difficult.
Speaker 3: Is it something that you can continue to like make worse?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It is it a pain situation?
Speaker 4: Can you continue to just look every time you go
out there, it just you kind of hate reset.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, like a lot of injuries about severity.
Speaker 8: So turf toe, if you have a mile kind of
a Grade one that's more of a spring that kind
of stretch it, you kind of irritated it. Those are
the injuries you can kind of play with with those guys.
You know, sometimes put it like a carbon fiber insole
on the shoe that gives a little more rigidity to
the shoe, so there's a little bit less bend to
that toe. You can do the typically you know, therapy,
anti inflammatory is all the normal stuff that we do
in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can usually play through that.
Speaker 8: Now when you start getting in the grade two, that's
a partial tear, that's the one that you know, we
might boot that guy for you know, anywhere from four
to six weeks, kind of keeping them kind of you know,
to let that heal. But those will heal and then
you can have a full tear. So if you if
you push these guys back too early, yeah you could
tear it. Full tear is usually going to be surgery.
So that's you know, potentially season ending if that's the case.
Speaker 2: Can we come up with like a just a more
better name for it, because what you're explaining here, it's like, yeah,
that's like a torn tendon like in the bottom of
at my big toe, right, Like, let's just come up
with a little bit better name, more severe you say,
like like a torn achilles or a torn a cl
Everyone's like, whoa you say turf toe.
Speaker 3: It does make it sound really bad.
Speaker 8: And you know, and I guess you know, you can
always use fancier words, you know, a sprain of the
plate at the first, you know, metata turf if you
want to get it, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I take it back, that's right, but with a planner though.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever had like plantar fasciaties.
Speaker 4: I've I've had that, and they're like, it's better to
actually have that fully tear, then maybe just have something
partial that it's gonna continue to just you know.
Speaker 3: Aggravate you. Like I actually heard mine Pope.
Speaker 8: Like plantar fashion those they just feel better when they tear.
You know, it's it's it's chronically inflamed and irritated plantar fascia.
You know, compare the toe because it's not quite as
structurally significant that big toe being able to flex and
push off of it. You know, if you have a
complete disruption there, functionally, you're gonna be limited.
Speaker 2: Man, I want to talk to out. We brought him up. Al,
you got a friend of the show here and he
will clap. So, first preseason game, couple of couple of
plays into god, you know, an experience that so excited
to get back to New Orleans. So kind of heartbreaking
the scene and like go down with an injury so
fast in the first like preseason game. So he has
a Liz Frank injury and in his right foot. Can
you kind of explain what that is, Like, what like
from a medical standpoint, what a Liz Frank is and
like what is actually tearing or breaking in the foot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Liz Frank.
Speaker 8: It's kind of fun because at least a little more
mysterious name there. It's not quite it's a fun name
and a lame as a turf toe sounding it was.
But so so this is an injury more in the midfoot.
So another foot injury. These these are unfortunately not that
uncommon in sports. Typically this is going to be a
little bigger injury. I mean there's all again degrees of severity.
Is this just a mile this Frank sprain versus a
complete disruption. But you have this area right at the
base of your what are called your metatarsals. So the
meta tarsals are the long bones in the foot. They're
the they're the bones that kind of go from the
midfoot to the toe. So we all have more on
that basically lines up with each toast. You have five
meta tarsal bones, and at the base of that second
meta tarsal where it articulates with the rest of the foot,
these smaller tarsal bones, you can have a disruption of
a ligament there and potentially break the base of that
second meta tarsal. So, Liz Frank, injury is really some
combination of one of those two things.
Speaker 3: There's a ligament and a.
Speaker 8: Bone, sometimes both, sometimes one, and just like we're talking
about with the turf toe, if it's a mild sprain,
you know, that might be something that we can kind
of boot up for a little bit, we can sort
of work with it. But once you get a true
disruption of the ligament or if you have the fracture injury,
that joint becomes unstable, and an unstable joint in a
foot that's carrying all your weight, especially a big guy
like will, Yeah, that's not a good injury.
Speaker 3: So that's usually gonna be surgery.
Speaker 8: You're usingly have to go restabilize, put a screw in,
put some kind of a tight wire, depending on where
the injury is, and then let that heal.
Speaker 4: Man, you start talking about all the different injuries just
in the foot alone, I know, right, and like how
many different things can go wrong?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to ask you a four list, right?
Is it a surgical situation? So you're talking, yeah, it
could be, depending on severity, plate screws, things like that.
Speaker 3: Right, And I'm not sure with Will's situation.
Speaker 8: I haven't heard the official, but you know, if you
hear he's out for the season, you know my assumption
is more than likely he's getting that fixed.
Speaker 4: All right. So ACL is something that you know, we
talk about probably more than any injury in sports. It's
the ACL and it's the how long is it going
to take to get back?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Obviously, if we're having this conversation twenty years ago, like
we're not even really having it, it's like, nope, done
out Sea, doesn't matter. It's going to be like a
full calendar year, like twelve months, and we're talking maybe
even longer than that. But now we're seeing guys come
back I think much quicker from that injury. The Saint's
got a couple tight ends that are dealing with that
that you know, they happen at the end of last year.
Is it possible for them to have that in December
January and then assume that they can help you out
in September?
Speaker 3: You know, September is hard.
Speaker 8: We've had guys probably kind of in that eight ish
month range, probably on the short end to make it back.
That's where we are now, and like you said, that's
it's much faster than what it used to be, but
unfortunately that's probably the shortest you're gonna see. And for
for somebody to get back at that eight month it
really needs to be a perfect case scenario, just an
ACL injury, because sometimes you damage the ACL, you can
have moniscus and cartilage injuries with it and everything that
goes into that slows the recovery a little bit. And
then you just got to really just have really good fortune.
We're very lucky, you know, with our athletes that we
have so many resources, uh what we have today even
compared to a few years ago. Let alone when when
when you all played or when I played, even it
wasn't that long ago that the advances we have.
Speaker 2: You know, except I appreciate it.
Speaker 8: It's it's it's it's it's the rehab, it's the nutrition,
it's knowledge, it's it's better surgical techniques. There's a lot
of things that go into it. But unfortunately you're still
looking at several months. You know that the graft has
to heal in so when you when it's an ACL injury,
you basically make a new ACL. It's not you don't
go in and fix the old one. So that that
new ACL, basically we have to see it mature. We
have see the bone around it grow in. We have
to see all that. Then you've got to get your
muscle strength back. You know, you got to be fairly
symmetric toye side. You got to have good balance, appropriate recession,
and basically teach the body to use this new knee
right as technically it's not the same knee it was,
So you have to kind of learn all that again.
So that whole process takes takes months, and if you
rush it, you're probably gonna retear it and come back
just weaker and not as as functionally well. But again,
reinjury is a big concern.
Speaker 2: How has the over the years, how often does that
surgery for an aco because I would say from season
ending it's like the most prevalent one for a season
ending type interlay. What has all changed because I know,
like there's been periods of time where it's like cadaver.
There has been you take hamstring, muscle, like you take
different things. So what is that grafting process now, Like,
what are the specifics why it is so much better
and faster now than it was you know, probably five
to ten, you know, certainly twenty years ago.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so some of it, like like you said, there
are different graphs. Most of the times we're using something
from your own body. So you can use cadaver tendons
and ligaments, but you know the problem with those is
sometimes the little bit weaker, there's a little bit more
risk that those may tear again in the future.
Speaker 3: So we find that if we're able to use your
own bodies tissue, we're able to do better.
Speaker 8: Usually that's coming from either your hamstring, the pateeller ten
or the quad ten and those the big three that
were typically using.
Speaker 3: You'll talk to different guys.
Speaker 8: That's always a debate in our circles which one's better,
you know, And there's some reasons why each one probably
has favorability over the other.
Speaker 3: You know, one might be a little more.
Speaker 8: Durable, one might get you back a little quicker, you know,
And we can sit here and have a whole scientific
discussion on which is better. That could last days and
probably not determine it to everybody's satisfaction. But the reality
of it is, what we found is that using your
own tissue typically goes better. And then those techniques for
how we get that, you know, going in and harvesting,
because if we're taking a portion of your Beteller tendon, well,
not only does that ACL have to heal, but that
Pteller tendon has to heal. You might have p Teller
tendon I has problems down the road and things like that,
So we got to be really careful with how we're
harvesting it. But I think a lot of it is
we've learned the perfect amount to take, the perfect place
to put it, you know, where do you put the
tunnel on the bone. There's so many different variables that
go into it, and I think when once we've kind
of researched it and gone back and been critical of
our own work, we've been able to get to a
pretty good point, but it's still a hard surgery.
Speaker 4: Now, Doctor Arthurage, obviously we we you know, we can't
talk LSU injuries and that's the team that you work
with there, and we're not going to get into any injury.
Speaker 3: I'll just ask you one question I think you can answer.
Speaker 4: Have you ever had to explain what tendonitis was to
more people over a short period of time?
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's for some strangeries and have been an interesting
topic lately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, tendonitis.
Speaker 8: And it's funny because you know my clinic, I tell
patients tendonitis is one of the you know.
Speaker 3: Quote unquote weird problems, you know.
Speaker 8: Because you doesn't again kind of a turf tow It
doesn't sound that bad. It sounds like this kind of
mild little thing. But tendonitis, just like the turf toe injury,
there's a lot of different severity. It's it's a hard
injury sometimes to treat because the tendons don't have a
good blood supply. You know, I tell patient all the time,
if you ever look at a piece of steak, you
have this red piece of meat, but a portion of
it starts to turn white. Well that's the tendon because
of poor blood supplies. So that lack of blood supply
can make these injuries hard to heal. So so yeah,
it's a it's a weird problem that that that has
a lot of variability. And and yeah, we've definitely been
been talking about a tendingapathy lately.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I know we're not talking about anybody specific,
but y'all did a really good job of replacing Nuss's
leg when it fell offs ago. Yeah, a good job.
That surgery is quick, he was on the field, so
good job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and proud to be a part.
Speaker 8: Of that year for sure.
Speaker 2: Really good job, good stitching. Uh No, So I've just
been curious over the last couple of years. I felt
like I went the first let's just say thirty five
years of my life maybe saw one athlete tearing achilles tendon. U.
It seems like there's ten a year now, Like what
is what? Why is there? Is it just something that
wasn't diagnosed in the past. It's better diagnosis of it
was it called something different back in the day. But
why is there so many achilles injuries right now in sports?
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 8: There does seem to be more you know, I don't
know for sure if there is or if it's just
something we're more aware of. That's always one of the questions,
and there is a lot of speculation.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: Part of it is surface. You know, we always talk
about grass versus turf. Could that play into it? You know,
I'm not saying it does or doesn't, but it's something
that comes up a lot in our discussions. And then
and then I think part of it too. You have
you have guys that are bigger and faster and stronger.
I mean, I swear every year I see these guys
coming in and maybe it's just because I'm getting older
and smaller, but they look bigger and faster and stronger
every year. And and the thing is, you know, it's
all about physics. You put so much load on any structure,
eventually you're going to reach that peak. So if we're
talking about bigger and faster and more explosion, uh, you know,
sports have become more year round. If we look at
sports right now, they're training more and more. And while
that might make them bigger, faster, stronger, it's more wear
and tear as well.
Speaker 3: So I think it's probably all those things.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Kirk Cousins fits that mold though, yeah,
or Aaron Rodgers for that matter. Well was turf though,
So it was turf. It's interesting. It's wilds I mean,
have to we talked the Achilles. It's just it's so
crazy how they do to such a prevalent injury right
now everywhere. And I don't understand.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't ever remember hearing it when we were playing.
Speaker 4: Teammates.
Speaker 8: I don't remember a lot, you know. And again it's
it's it's maybe again. Maybe that's just the memory thing
not working as well. But uh, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4: All right, Doc, before we let you go. If you
don't know, Doc played football at Florida State. Florida State
didn't have a great year last year. They had two victories,
one against an FBS team opening up with Alabama. I mean, what, hey,
what a great way to get back on track. It
would be a great way. You know.
Speaker 8: I want to say I have confidence in my seminoles,
but in that one, you know, I'm just hoping for
a close, close game and hoping they do well.
Speaker 2: And it was. It was a rough year.
Speaker 4: It is a dope and they did. They upgraded dok
and they've got new facilities. Found No, Jimbo was was
screaming for That's really the reason he left and went
to Texas A and M.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the facilities needed an upgrade, and I'm glad to
see they're doing it.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you it's it's a beautiful stadium.
Speaker 8: If y'all never been, it's, in my opinion, I'm very biased,
one of the prettiest stadiums.
Speaker 3: But uh, but yeah, I hope they have a good year.
Speaker 8: Last year was rough, you know, a tailor two different
years the past couple but hopefully this will be closer
to two years ago.
Speaker 2: College football's better in Florida State is at least sure, right, for.
Speaker 4: Sure, Auburn tried to take away y'alls nineteen ninety three
national championship yesterday though, all right, good year by them. Yeah,
flor stay one at that year. But it sounds like
maybe Auburn thinks they did as well. Doctor Dwreds, We
appreciate it, man, It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 3: My pleasure, thanks, doc. All Right, Well, they rate.
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Speaker 1: From the locker room to the airwaves. It's off the
bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
Speaker 9: Min it's not my time.
Speaker 4: It's not my time to.
Speaker 2: Know why there.
Speaker 5: Now you're now your I don't.
Speaker 9: Never, I'll never, says comes.
Speaker 4: As Daniel Bassom says he on the body for chat.
Finally some bush tush. Finally, I'm just case that Bush push.
Speaker 5: I didn't even think about the Bush thing earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, be messed what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the Reggie Bush Bush push push push.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then turned into because we're child.
Speaker 2: Because we're children with immature brains. You're welcome.
Speaker 4: Is what it is, is what it is.
Speaker 2: But we did bring some intelligence to this studio. It's
gone now God high intelligence. Shit, Thank doctor Ethartes. We
appreciate where you are going to try, depending on schedules
prevailing for him to make that a more common segment,
maybe a weekly segment, because we just find it fascinating
to we all hear the injuries, we talk about them.
We hear players all over the NFL with you know
there's something new that pops up every single year with
something happening. So we're gonna be able to get an
inside look from a doctor's perspective on an orthopedic and
somebody that works with athletes on just taking a deep
dive and educating us all on the specifics of that
and the specifics for the treatment, the surgeries and what
they're actually doing. So it's really cool, really cool stuff
that he is he's willing to do that.
Speaker 4: I like, I have heard turf toe, Like I've talked
about turf toe for a long time.
Speaker 3: That is the first time I actually know what turfoe is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was kind of just like a hangnail.
Speaker 4: I thought it was more like a big toe't sprain,
Yeah you know what I mean, till hurts, till hurts, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you get ingro Ton there, But something on the turf No,
So I've got a different perspective on that. And uh,
hopefully we're gonna have doctor Ethrids join us on Wednesdays
and so any injury throughout the NFL any with obviously
the New Orleans Saints. Now again he knows LSU team doctor,
so we're not going to dive into LSU, but you know,
just injuries in general, like if you see them pop up,
we can talk through them, talk rehab process.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Doctor Athridge was such a great asset for us. If
you remember when everybody was having tightrope surgery, remember two
talking about Loa had that in twenty nineteen. It was like,
wait a minute, what is this?
Speaker 2: And so like every year it's something new, like there's
some sort of injury or surgical technique that is the
hot technique, the tightrope man.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that one job because it was like
nobody was like, we hadn't talked about it. Yeah, it
was something it was like high ankle's brain right, It
wasn't like a severe thing, but they did a pretty
severe surgery for a get fairly common injury. Yeah, that's
something's gonna keep you out, you know, maybe a couple
of months, maybe a month, maybe six weeks maybe yeah,
maybe four to six weeks and it got you back
in two to three Yeah. Yeah, So I.
Speaker 3: Mean, is a juice worth a squeeze? I guess at
that point would be the question.
Speaker 4: But you know, if it's your quarterback and you've got
national championship aspirations.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I guess it is.
Speaker 2: M two I got. I will do anything like old.
Speaker 3: Old Bud Kilmer.
Speaker 4: You know he will.
Speaker 2: He will do anything to throw a couple of passes
on Sunday. God bless him.
Speaker 4: Toughness to a fault, which I appreciate.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love the fact.
Speaker 3: But no, man, Coach Kilmer's got that needle.
Speaker 4: Keet that thing away from my knee before God.
Speaker 2: That needle comes anywhere, nigger his knee, rip your arms
off and bait you over the handle them.
Speaker 3: Why in the hell did you sound just like James Vanderbeek.
Aren't they have you seen this movie?
Speaker 2: Because I don't want your life? Oh that that was
actually scary. Oh that was actually Billy Bob who said that,
right p I.
Speaker 4: Know, but you sounded just like James Vanderbeek.
Speaker 2: It's called the Oop, do you? Is it?
Speaker 4: Mississippi Valley.
Speaker 2: The Valley scores forty points a game with the offense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they do the Valley that they do. I wonder
if the Saints can get back either one of those
tight ends during the season. And when that's gonna be
I mean a cl It's not twelve months anymore, but
also like can you come back in nine? I don't
really know that information. It's a it's a position where
they needed some help.
Speaker 2: Doctor said, it's tough, Like yeah, and I think it's
probably person my person, dude, and I I'd like to
get in like next time he's on about you know,
the what they're doing for recovery too, So like the
grafting and the techniques are a lot better. Certainly gets
you there a lot faster and it's not a career
ending injury situation anymore. But like the techniques because there's
stem cells technology, like there used to be PRP but
now it's more stem cells, Like how is that all?
And it depends on how your body accepts them, and
like it's just individualized so much. And and then the
physical therapy it's like how you know, how accomplished are
your pets and how quickly can they their program? But
it's it's you know, one guy, they might both be
in great shape, they might be doing the same things,
but one guy's body just responds to those stem cells
or p RP or whatever. It is a little bit
more like what you know, I don't even talking medical stuff,
but you get it.
Speaker 3: Doing a great job.
Speaker 2: You get it. I have stems, thank you, white blood cells.
Speaker 5: What he's talking about, and I do, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just people don't think I do, so they're going
to discredit it. I had stem cells multiple times. They
actually stem cells gave me ten and nightis right here
my elbow. He talked about how the tendons don't get
a lot of blood flow, right, because I learned a
lot about that. Yeah, it gave me probably two to
three years extra stem cells and driving inland.
Speaker 4: I when I first when we first started doing this here,
I guess twenty eighteen. I think it was the first
year we started doing hanging with us for that sur
Night sounds right. I don't know if you remember, but yeah,
we had we had a stem cell sponsor for a
little bit, and they did it on my knee like
full on, like took it from my love handles, did
the hole, spinning it up, put it in my knee,
And there was a like a big portion of my
life where I couldn't drive past like thirty minutes if
I s cruise control, cool, but I couldn't have my
foot on the pedal like on a road trip. Like
my knee had a Baker sist it would swell up
where it would just it would go to sleep and
you'd have to like hit it and I try to
move it around, get some blood flowing. And man, I
had that procedure. No more trouble, it's no swelling. They
took it themselves. They got they extracted that from fat. Yeah, well,
I love handles. I mean I think it's you know,
well there's.
Speaker 5: Different ways batteries and lose love handles at the same time.
Speaker 3: Well, no, you don't lose them. Yeah, it's not like.
Speaker 2: Yeah that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sounds perfect. Yeah, they get it.
Speaker 4: And I mean, dude, I was in the office for
a morning. I mean I was there for like four hours.
And when I say, like I couldn't do anything without
my knee just like swelling and getting to a point
where it's like it felt like it was gonna pop.
Speaker 3: And so you know, it is like its just like
you can't bend it.
Speaker 4: It's so I'm a full believer in getting no for sure,
that does.
Speaker 2: I got my tenant I in training camp in Seattle,
and it was like debilitating path like I took a
you know, liver killing amount of anti inflammatories like to
practice and to be able to play right. So like
at the end of the year, I go to a
medical facility, a famous medical facility. I get like I do.
I do the PT there, we do p r P,
and I don't throw for two months. I pick a
ball up and at that time, I like just getting
traded to Oakland. At the time I pick a ball up,
I throw it. It hurt the exact same amount. So
I leave. I come back to bat Ruge. I start
getting dry needling. I get introduced to stem cells, and
I got stem cells for the first time, like in
August in I'm middle of the training camp in Oakland,
and and it doesn't work at first, Like they have
to like they have to take over, they have to
be accepted, and they have to start doing making doing
their doing their magic. And so this stem cell came
from the crown of my hip. So they extracted bone
mara out of the hip, spune around, got the stem cells,
and they mix it with your your your red blood cells,
your PRP. They put it back like right on the spot.
It was. It was a wild procedure too, because like
I hear the they're drilling into my hip, I'm you know,
I'm the lake for all this like you're seeing like
the they're doing it by ultrasound too, so they can
see where the needle's going in. I see like my
older nerve and I'm like, it's like so close to it.
I'm like, please don't hit up, Please don't hit up.
That would be awful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be real bad if you didn't have any
feeling in your fingertails.
Speaker 2: So they're like, Okay, this is gonna take you know,
eight to eight to twelve months to ever like to feel,
or eight to twelve weeks or something like that to
start feeling effect. Maybe six to ten something like that. Well,
I didn't feel any relief. But two months later I'd
been released from Oakland Yea, gone to Buffalo and I
got back to Green Bay that time period, my two
weeks in Buffalo is started feeling better then I got
to when I got to Green Bay, hardly any pain
at all. Yeah, all pretty much gone, and then there's
a little bit there lingering. Went back and got another
round of it in the off season. I've never felt again.
Wow it. I would not if I didn't find that,
Like if I would have said, all right, the PRP
doesn't work. My treatment doesn't work. I'm at like this
big institution famous for being able to heal people and
treat people. It didn't do anything. Yeah, like what do
I do? I can't keep taking these anti flams like
I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not healthy yeaing them like their tic TACs.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they did, and then I played two or three
three more years. So were we year was up twenty
twelves when I got the ten and nightis originally no
it's still like played it was, but it like I
went to Oakland, huge effect on me, well because I just.
Speaker 6: Remember when Peyton was having the stem cell therapy on
his neck.
Speaker 4: You had to go overseas that aint that was the
same time period.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it said Peyton had it in eleven so
like but I remember they said it wasn't like super
readily available.
Speaker 4: I mean the libraries that I was doing for this company,
like it was in the library, like you used to
have to go to like Germany for this, and then
you could do it in ban Aruge in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: So when I would when I got them, I flew
to Denver to get mine because there was in Colorado
you could do it from bone marrow, which is the
most effective one, at least at the time it was
or known to be. And what I heard, I don't
know if this is true. Never never asked questions, but
it was like this is These people are one of
the reasons why Peyton also kind of went to like
he had these that kind of treatment available to.
Speaker 4: Him for his real quick before we take a break,
I think we have a new tagline for this show,
and it's thanks to our guy Scott Dyce inside to
buy you four chat. Okay, welcome to OTB where we
are made up of stem cells CTE and toward all.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that, and it was indocent
for me.
Speaker 3: It was toward off for me. So you're on the
right track.
Speaker 4: You want to put that wear straight into the IV
before the game?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead? Yeah, main vein that.
Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 3: Hey, where's our box? Oh uh, what'd you do with that?
Speaker 4: Why'd you think Dr Radwis was gonna steal it? Some
pretty big cards in there. We got our the cards
that we've been talking about for a long time, some
of the month ago, the old big boys.
Speaker 2: It's about a month ago. We sent off five cards.
It was our biggest cards that we had raw and
we sent them off to p. S A.
Speaker 3: And even it takes a month.
Speaker 2: Extra paid the extra for the expert that it took
a month. It's right here, big deal. We'll got that
beat right there. See this little cardboard box. So we
are going to actually open them. We're gonna do it
on the show. We're gonna give a little teas. We're
gonna make a video. What do you want to do?
M So we're gonna see what we got graded right here,
big boys.
Speaker 4: We got two minutes. Can you do it in two minutes?
Speaker 2: The people need to know. We need to spend lots
of time on it. On our sports cards. Oh those
are sent to Dragon Yeah yeah, Dragon Flying domestic shipping.
Speaker 4: I've got to know like what the carrier like when
he's printing that off.
Speaker 2: He's like dragon. Uh his parents hate FedEx. Guy was like, hey,
you gotta get you for drag. Yeah, buddy, it's me.
Speaker 3: That's a self given nickname.
Speaker 4: There, mister deliverer person of it.
Speaker 2: Not on a birth certificate. Yours truly gave it to
yours truly. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The card grading stuff is it's fascinating to me just
with how much more value it can bring your card
or you know, honestly, if you get a bad grade,
like you can kind of keep it the same even
though you went through this entire process and sometimes like
even like keep it right at the raw number.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a very interesting market because it is
not it's kind of like judging like a gymnastics me.
It's kind of like there's parameters you stay within, there's
things you look for, but at the end of the day,
it's kind of kind of somebody's opinion and there's a
big swing in value based on that final opinion. Right. Again,
there's parameters they work and know they're centering. There's edges
and corners. They're like things that are obvious but to
the naked eye, to these eyes, they should all be tense.
Speaker 3: They should all be billy about.
Speaker 2: Oh, we wouldn't be sending them in if we didn't
think they were beautiful and perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is wild the amount, like certainly of bigger cards.
The bigger you get, the more it matters, like the
difference between a PSA nine and a PSA ten and
the value of that card, even though it's just.
Speaker 3: One number away.
Speaker 4: It might be one little centering issues. Maybe it's just
like this one little small thing and what it does
to the value.
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big boy value. Oh, we just wasted our time and money,
which a lot of the card game.
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