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<v Speaker 1>Well whiskey, come and take my pain the moneys all ryn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Why think alone when you can drink it all in

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<v Speaker 2>with Ricochet's Three Whiskey Happy Hour. Join your bartenders Steve Hayward,

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<v Speaker 2>John U and the International Woman of Mystery, Lucretia. Well

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<v Speaker 2>this lapped it up live. It ain't you easy on

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<v Speaker 2>the should taps? Got to give me and let that whiskey.

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<v Speaker 2>The Three Whiskey Happy Hour is back from a road

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<v Speaker 2>trip over to Italy, now fully syncopated, polyphinous and angular,

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<v Speaker 2>which I only say because I don't know what they

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<v Speaker 2>mean and know it will annoy you guys. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>guys over your jet lag yet? Are you back up

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<v Speaker 2>in in the saddle? Eh?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yes, right, went dived at eight thirty last night.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that count?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've been doing that no long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, we are getting older. But and by the way, Lucretia,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll appreciate I think appreciate this. James Lilax on the

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<v Speaker 2>you know I often I usually post posted the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing him back to back this morning and John

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<v Speaker 2>was on in place of Charles C. W. Cook and

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<v Speaker 2>James Lylac said, I can see it now. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>in Italy are like that old cartoon of the two

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<v Speaker 2>people working their way on the same spand with spaghetti.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, ah, I have our cover artwork for

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<v Speaker 2>this week's episode, so we'll see what happens. But it

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<v Speaker 2>could be bad. It could be really bad. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>some jarnt you're you're looking into.

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<v Speaker 1>Space yet again, another reason not to substitute for some

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<v Speaker 1>Brett X pat Although you guys, I did a bad

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<v Speaker 1>job trying to fill his share and join you in

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<v Speaker 1>your love of the British monarchy and worship of King

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<v Speaker 1>Charles and his discredible family and his leadership with this

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<v Speaker 1>declining middle power which from which we properly declared ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>independent two hundred and fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we'll come back to that later.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've decided, by the way, I just have to

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<v Speaker 3>say this that I'm disgusted with the only English thing

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<v Speaker 3>that I still have any contact with, which is the Spectator,

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<v Speaker 3>and every day other than the occasional American guest writer,

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<v Speaker 3>makes me angrier and angrier that I ever gave them

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<v Speaker 3>a single penny of my money. Because this morning there

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<v Speaker 3>was this awful, awful article about some of you who

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<v Speaker 3>lived in Cuba for God's sakes, and talking about how

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<v Speaker 3>great Cuba is. That the hell is wrong with those

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<v Speaker 3>people anyway, Sorry, that was not on the agenda, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry I said it, but yeah, made me crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I have noticed the Spectator has gotten very

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<v Speaker 2>weird that way also, Chris, well, okay, but it's become

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were going to complain about some of

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<v Speaker 2>their anti Trump articles that they have.

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<v Speaker 3>Well this one was, believe it or not, they managed

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<v Speaker 3>all of the problem in Cuba are caused by bad

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<v Speaker 3>yellow man, orange man, orange man. Yes, sorry, go ahead, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm done.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, but I do have some good news for you, John.

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<v Speaker 2>While we were overseas, McDonald's announced that they're expanding their

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<v Speaker 2>bargain meal pricing on their menu, so you know you'll

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<v Speaker 2>be able to eat even more for less.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And their stock is up sharply this morning because it's

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<v Speaker 2>been slumping the last six eight weeks, which I figure

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<v Speaker 2>is your fault for under consuming.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I will and while we are in Italy, unlike

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<v Speaker 1>you guys who are such you know, hawk cuisine eaters,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually went to McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to McCafe.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that doesn't that's that's just a European invasion in McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's that's their bending the knee to anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>So I I they don't have budget meals over at

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald's in Europe. I bought a It was so painful.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a world class meal, which was a chicken

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<v Speaker 1>fried chicken sandwich, which I think was a good start,

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<v Speaker 1>which they claim was Japanese. So they poured kariaki sauce

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<v Speaker 1>all over it, and fries and a soft guess how

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<v Speaker 1>much it costs fifteen euros.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like, I mean, I should have just gone to

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<v Speaker 1>the Olive Garden, bottomless bowl of pasta and REDSTI got all.

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<v Speaker 3>Over, basically, and I pointed out to John that Steve,

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<v Speaker 3>his wife and I went to this obscure little place

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<v Speaker 3>recommended to them by one of their tour guides. And

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even remember the name Steve will I can remember.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't say. It just not a tourist trap. It

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<v Speaker 3>took a bit of a drive to get up to

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<v Speaker 3>the mountain to get to it, but we went and

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<v Speaker 3>had lunch at this lovely little place, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a huge lunch, but because none of us were all

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<v Speaker 3>that hungry. But it was lunch, you know, Urncini and

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<v Speaker 3>a whole bunch of things like that beer each for

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<v Speaker 3>the Haywards, and a glass of wine for Lucretia. Of

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<v Speaker 3>course you knew the ubiquitous sparkling water. You have to

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<v Speaker 3>purchase nineteen euros for three people to have lunch and drinks.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it was a non tourist chap, so much

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<v Speaker 3>so that we were getting nasty looks from people for

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<v Speaker 3>being there. Yeah, I mean people were.

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<v Speaker 2>Just kind of that was it was Chen. It was

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<v Speaker 2>Chen to Repay. Was that name of the place. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's lap High, you know, and it's one of those, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>one of those mountain towns in Sicily that they seem

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<v Speaker 2>to have a lot of those, they have a surplus.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still offended. I can't paign dollars. I mean, who

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<v Speaker 1>these people think they are? We already put well tek

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<v Speaker 1>to them since nineteen forty five. The least they can

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<v Speaker 1>do is let us use good American money and not

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<v Speaker 1>this euros with all these have you ever looked at

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<v Speaker 1>the euro with all these like people they put on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not play money designs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't. It's moknopoly money. Yeah. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Milton Freeman thought it wouldn't last, and it's still here,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll see. But one last footnote on McDonald's story.

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<v Speaker 2>I read a story here somewhere in the last week

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<v Speaker 2>or so, and I wish I kept it because it's

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<v Speaker 2>your kind of story, John. But it was about some

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<v Speaker 2>scheme that some beat some loopholes the people have figured

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<v Speaker 2>out in McDonald's when you order on their order the

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<v Speaker 2>computerized boards they have now the app the kiosk well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you go to the kioskin side, apparently, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if this was America or overseas what

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<v Speaker 2>this happened, but somebody figured out that you could customize

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<v Speaker 2>a burger order where you remove the meat and that

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<v Speaker 2>lowered the that lowered the price. And the thing was

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<v Speaker 2>if you if you ordered nine.

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<v Speaker 1>That's called you know what that's called bread? Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>the order bread.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, the way this worked is you'd order nine

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<v Speaker 2>burgers with the meat taken out, and then the ten

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<v Speaker 2>you'd order like a regular one, and it pants you

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<v Speaker 2>got it for free, and and the other nine pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of bread with you know, condiments on them were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>almost nothing, so you you actually got a free something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. It was very strange, and I thought, you

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<v Speaker 2>need to know about that scheme if it's can be replicated.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, why not just eat ten burgers? Who was

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<v Speaker 1>the point of this?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that would cost a lot more than fifteen eurosohn,

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<v Speaker 2>they're only two bucks each in America.

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<v Speaker 3>I will tell you the problem with never mind McDonald's

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<v Speaker 3>real Italian food in their seventeen thousand courses. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>even Steve after the third course was like, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>eat anymore. And then of course they bring the lovely

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<v Speaker 3>veal as the very last course, and you're struggling to

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<v Speaker 3>even get a bite down, so instead you just keep drinking.

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<v Speaker 3>You weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no problem. The only time I had trouble

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<v Speaker 1>keeping my food din was when Steve started doing magic

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<v Speaker 1>tricks in front of some of the highest ranking professors

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<v Speaker 1>in Sicily. He I mean, this was a national humiliation

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<v Speaker 1>that Alex has to think so poorly United States now.

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<v Speaker 3>But David Copperfield.

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<v Speaker 1>I still can't figeret how he does the damn truck

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<v Speaker 1>with the ropes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really easy, and it's called professor's nightmare, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's perfect for us. Okay, all right. One other,

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<v Speaker 2>not entirely silly item, Happy Pride Month. You guys, it's

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<v Speaker 2>June again. It's Pride month. Did you know that? May

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<v Speaker 2>I learned this only the other day was National Barbecue Month,

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<v Speaker 2>and naturally the news media ignored it and suppressed that

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<v Speaker 2>news because that would have been worth celebrating. I do, though,

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<v Speaker 2>think that Trump has the chance to do the funniest

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<v Speaker 2>thing ever. I think he should lean into Pride Month,

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<v Speaker 2>but change the name to Pride in America Month ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of July fourth, a month from now, just to watch

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<v Speaker 2>liberals go out of their mind. I think that would

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<v Speaker 2>be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen quite a few of those things at the

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<v Speaker 3>at the much lower level, people talking about what we

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<v Speaker 3>really need to be proud of, which is America. Not right,

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<v Speaker 3>because I actually saw an interesting one really quickly that

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, talked about all the reasons why pride

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<v Speaker 3>in in LGBTQ stuff was very shall we say, unbiblical,

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<v Speaker 3>but that that that that patriari pride in your fatherland.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a certain amount of biblical support for that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of pride, because it is not self serving and all

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<v Speaker 3>of those things. So so I think we should make

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<v Speaker 3>it a religious revival, to make the month of June

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<v Speaker 3>patriotic pride month.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, right still, the side month. If they

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<v Speaker 1>want to have parades, why not, I mean, what mat parades?

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<v Speaker 1>So we watched one, honestly one. Actually I never get invited, strangely,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've got no we what do we want to

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<v Speaker 1>stop people from having parades?

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<v Speaker 2>No, in an odd way that will scandalize the Christia.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm kind of with you, John and wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>stage war parades. And because you know, well, here's why.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the nineteen eighty four Democratic National Convention

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<v Speaker 2>in San Francisco as a reporter. The the day before

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<v Speaker 2>the convention opened, there was a huge gay pride parade

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<v Speaker 2>down Market Street and it was the total freak show.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're everywhere, right, but then it was the total

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<v Speaker 2>freak show. Sister Boom Boom and the Sisters of Perpetual

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<v Speaker 2>Indulgence and all these other weird people, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people with not much clothing on. Somehow

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<v Speaker 2>I was standing next to some Republican operative who was there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know how we figured out that we

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<v Speaker 2>were simpatico, but he said, you know, back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two when McGovern was was the nominee, we pay

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<v Speaker 2>people to do this. Now they're doing it for us

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<v Speaker 2>for free. So I think they're doing these crazy things

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<v Speaker 2>for free. Latest survey data from Gallup shows at public

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<v Speaker 2>sympathy for the whole identity politics, but especially the LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 2>plus stuff, including same sex marriage, by the way, is

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<v Speaker 2>now on the decline after deadly rising, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, only among Republicans.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but that's still you know, Republicans are going along

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<v Speaker 2>with it, and now they're saying, well maybe not so okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, look at taking a first quick ad break,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll be back and start doing our quick

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<v Speaker 2>hits on the news highlights of the week. So we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be right back. We're back with a couple of news

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<v Speaker 2>About this, the crazy business of British policing their George

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<v Speaker 2>Rocklingham, Rodingham, Rodingham, Yeah, Rotherham, Rotherham, Roderham, Rotherham.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry that, you know, allowing them to rape and groom

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<v Speaker 3>like I thought every person involved in the gang grooming

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<v Speaker 3>every time I see anything in America that even hints

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<v Speaker 3>It's ugly if it's the opposite way too, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if white people are killing black people or any other minority,

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<v Speaker 3>because if that's who they are, it's ugly. Let's stop.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's have a color blind attitude about these things. Oh sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>episode famous in you know, British literature of the colonialism

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<v Speaker 2>the British banned the custom of what did they call it?

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<v Speaker 2>parts of India. Right, No, it wasn't this different.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's not it, that's yeah, you're right, you're right it.

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<v Speaker 2>But they used to they used to like burn the

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<v Speaker 2>husband who died, and who knows how that started. But

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<v Speaker 2>the British put a stop to it, and they said,

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<v Speaker 3>So can you resurrect that colonel and put him in charge?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's my point, right exactly, Yeah, okay, okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>John Bolton is agreeing to a plead deal. And I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say, I mean, I have complicated views about

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<v Speaker 2>his ambition when I think he should have known he

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<v Speaker 2>was not a good fit for Trump, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was ambitious to be national security advisor. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's quite a contrast between his behavior and say hr McMaster,

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<v Speaker 2>but not one with the same pitch to it as

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<v Speaker 2>I have more thoughts than that. But John, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were going to.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought time was for Lucretia gloating is at a

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<v Speaker 1>set time of each show where we do Lucretia gloating.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm not happy that he's taking a plea deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish he would fight to it. I'm not convinced

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<v Speaker 1>that he violated the law. The facts are very different,

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<v Speaker 1>I think than say Sandy Berger, the Clinton National secure

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<v Speaker 2>I think he got probation, but yeah, very small information. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think it sounds like the plea deal.

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<v Speaker 2>we think Burger's fine was twenty five thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, uh, the bunch of yeah, there's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of other people too, like David Petreez who was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we both had classified information. But it's usually

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<v Speaker 1>shindn't was a children but Trump didn't, I mean sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Bolton didn't take any documents. What he did was he

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<v Speaker 1>right wrote a diary and he sent these diary everyday

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<v Speaker 1>diary entries to his wife and daughter who were helping.

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<v Speaker 3>Him with the book, and then got them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. His mistake if he and this would have been

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<v Speaker 1>he learned from his day, you know, working as naturally,

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<v Speaker 1>whether he had properly sanitized them. And that's the question.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that he would ever have the mental

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<v Speaker 1>don't know whether he would have been convicted because he

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't contain that information, but we won't know, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that he actually violated the law. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also see why he would want to plead out

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<v Speaker 1>He's in his late seventies, I think, and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to spend millions of dollars engaged in criminal defense.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think John's one of the I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's a true patriot. He didn't do this

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was too dangerous and unstable a character to have

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and I am not going to gloat as much

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<v Speaker 3>both of that you are friends with him. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know him, I've never met him, but I will tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that I look at a similar situation with somebody

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<v Speaker 3>I do know, no well, have tremendous respect for, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was Michael Flynn and Michael Flynn did not do

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<v Speaker 3>his reason for finally giving in and you know, getting

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<v Speaker 3>a deal was because they were ruining him and then

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<v Speaker 3>they threatened his kids. It was just the most despicable

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<v Speaker 3>thing ever what happened to Michael Flynn. And I get

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<v Speaker 3>what you're saying, John, I'm sorry. When I talked to

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<v Speaker 3>mister Lucretia, Lucretio will stop and say, I can't talk

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<v Speaker 3>about that. I can't show you the document that I

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<v Speaker 3>stole from. I can't talk about that because it's a

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<v Speaker 3>violation of federal law to write anything down, to send

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<v Speaker 3>any kind of information, no matter how close you are

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<v Speaker 3>two five million dollars. I think he knows he's guilty

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<v Speaker 3>as hell. That's my belief. I think he knows he's

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<v Speaker 3>guilty as hell, and he he probably started off not

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<v Speaker 3>he was blind to what he was actually doing. He

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<v Speaker 3>and the elected president of the world of the country

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<v Speaker 3>was wrong blind him to his ethical duties and his

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<v Speaker 3>patriotic duties and his legal duties. There's I'm done gloating,

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<v Speaker 3>But again I don't. I mean, I look at that

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<v Speaker 3>as I compare that situation to Michael Flynn, who did

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<v Speaker 1>And first Flynn, Flynn didn't release classified information. He was

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<v Speaker 1>prosecuted for lying to the FBI agents, and I agree

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution. But it's very different. I mean, he's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a different crime.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>But he was ruined. He was ruined.

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<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't do it Bolton. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just no comparison to Bolton.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so much more serious. I get it. But

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<v Speaker 3>my point is Michael Flynn was my friend, and I

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<v Speaker 3>That's my point comparing them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think there is a broader rob information

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<v Speaker 2>is the knock on him, is Trump's just picking loyalists

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<v Speaker 2>for Trump. You know this administration, right, this is Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Poulty to be the new Director of National Intelligence, in yeah, right, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only going to harden the administration.

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<v Speaker 2>But see the point, he could have put a stop

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<v Speaker 2>to the Flynn prosecution. And if that happened now, I

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<v Speaker 2>think he would if in other words, if the Flynn

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances are happening now, Trump would squash it. Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>much more I think, perceptive of how deep the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is and be more assertive in his power. Maybe he's

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<v Speaker 2>taking it too far. I think some of his pardons

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<v Speaker 2>have been pretty dodgy too. But that said, I think

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<v Speaker 2>Trump learned a lot from that first term, and so

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<v Speaker 2>he would never have considered Bolton to be National security

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<v Speaker 2>advisor in Trump too. And then the thought experiment is,

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<v Speaker 2>this is maybe a challenge for you, Lucretia, is if

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<v Speaker 2>Bolton had written a book, I'll say, I suppose he

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<v Speaker 2>written a book saying Trump's the greatest thing since slice bread,

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<v Speaker 2>or if it had been more equivocal like HR McMaster's book,

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<v Speaker 2>which was much more measured. I mean, it was critical

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<v Speaker 2>but still also supportive of Trump in many ways. And

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<v Speaker 2>hr has been very measured in the way he talks

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<v Speaker 2>about Trump. He wouldn't tell you how he was going

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<v Speaker 2>it was pretty clearly thought. This binary choice is clear.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to vote for Trump. Okay. I think if

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<v Speaker 2>if Bolton had done something more in that vein, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I don't think this prosecution would have been brought.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. And then also John fight Remember the.

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<v Speaker 3>Biden administration brought it initially, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>They brought the investigation, yes, and then the Trump people

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying about it. He should have fought the charges.

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<v Speaker 2>He might have won. Look, the Justice Department was demanding

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<v Speaker 2>something like an eight year sentence, essentially the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>his life in prison if he's convicted. And I am

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<v Speaker 2>not convinced that a Washington d c. Jury wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to convict him because he's with the wrong party, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that, by the way, there's the dog that's not

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<v Speaker 2>barking everyone about screaming from the rooftops on the left

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<v Speaker 2>about Trump selectively prosecuting people. I haven't heard a boo

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<v Speaker 2>from anybody saying it's terrible what they're doing to John Bolton.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a word, because of course the left hates John Bolton.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're going to keep their mouth shut here.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I think the left will the enemy of my

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<v Speaker 3>enemy is my friend, even though yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, okay, Well, I don't know. Let's do another

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<v Speaker 2>quick break and we will come back with a couple

433
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<v Speaker 2>more news items from the week that are important, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a long read into the Supreme Court. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>go away, Okay. One of the happier things that happened

436
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<v Speaker 2>this week, I think, keep your fingers crossed, knock on wood,

437
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<v Speaker 2>is the results of the primary elections, especially in California,

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<v Speaker 2>where Steve Hilton has come in first. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to hang on to his first place position. That

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<v Speaker 2>was not to be assumed that there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of late polls showing that two Democrats might go one

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<v Speaker 2>and two. Instead, Tom Steyer has wasted two undred and

443
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<v Speaker 2>fifty million dollars, making a bunch of campaign consultants and

444
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<v Speaker 2>ad makers very rich. And then it looks like Spencer

445
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<v Speaker 2>Pratt is going to make the run off in LA.

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<v Speaker 2>Although this is a knock on wood part, a lot

447
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<v Speaker 2>of ballots still sitting out there, and he's got a

448
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<v Speaker 2>pretty good margin over the third place progressive Wacko lady.

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<v Speaker 2>But it looks like he'll make it, and that will

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<v Speaker 2>be an interesting thing. But it's going to take us

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<v Speaker 2>forever to count all the votes, which ought to be

452
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<v Speaker 2>a scandal. And I don't either one of you want to. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I've said.

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<v Speaker 3>This before, just shows we need to save act, which

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<v Speaker 3>well yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well okay, I'm not I guess that would affect

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<v Speaker 2>state elections. I haven't I've forgotten the details. Now, the

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<v Speaker 2>Pratt campaign, such as it is, I say such as

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It's the first crowdsource campaign of this scale.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've ever seen people making these videos and

461
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<v Speaker 2>posting them on Instagram. It's going to drive the regulators

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<v Speaker 2>out of their mind because it looks like campaign speech.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course, the way this racket runs is you

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<v Speaker 2>can't regulate speech. You can only regulate money spent. If

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<v Speaker 2>you spend over it's a very low threshold, just a

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<v Speaker 2>few hundred dollars, you have to report it. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you just make a video as a volunteer and you

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<v Speaker 2>post on Instagram, you haven't spent any money. The regulators

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<v Speaker 2>are going to hate this at this spreads to other

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<v Speaker 2>races around the country, which I think it will, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it will so.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesse, we have had a lovely discussion with Steve's wife

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<v Speaker 3>about this. Who is the expert, at least among this crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the expert, and she did explain Yet, yes, you

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<v Speaker 3>can regulate money, you can't regulate speech. And when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to AI, this I didn't know. I think our

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<v Speaker 3>listeners will find interesting. She explained that you can you

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<v Speaker 3>can regulate AI if it purports to be actual. Actually, like, so,

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<v Speaker 3>go back to my example of John when when when

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<v Speaker 3>I had people in my office make some AI videos

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<v Speaker 3>of the three Whiskey happy hour. The only way to

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<v Speaker 3>do it with the software we had, the software that

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<v Speaker 3>companies themselves have certain rules to make babies. Why because

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<v Speaker 3>John is a celebrity. He's a very famous public person,

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<v Speaker 3>and it would have required not just his permission, but

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<v Speaker 3>all sorts of blah blah blah blah blah. If we

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<v Speaker 3>made it seem like it was really John, if it's

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<v Speaker 3>a baby, everybody else that's not joy.

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<v Speaker 1>Protects me because they know who's really in charge around

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<v Speaker 1>exactly AI.

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<v Speaker 3>You need that AI. But here's the point. There was

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<v Speaker 3>no campaign finance kind of regulation, very little regulation at

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<v Speaker 3>all of electoral activities for several almost several centuries, right

494
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<v Speaker 3>for decades, until money became such a big deal, because

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<v Speaker 3>it used to be to stand out on the street

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<v Speaker 3>corner and you could say anything you wanted and they

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't do anything about it, and you could do it

498
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<v Speaker 3>as a candidate, and you could do it as a supporter.

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<v Speaker 3>With AI and the Internet, we're back at that situation

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<v Speaker 3>right where I can say I can make my own

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<v Speaker 3>AI video about Spencer Pratt and Karen Bass and put

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<v Speaker 3>it on the Internet, and as long as I don't

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<v Speaker 3>pretend that it's actually them saying what they're saying, then

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<v Speaker 3>there's absolutely no regulation against what I do. Am I correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think so. I think. I do think the

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<v Speaker 2>problem of deep fakes, which they're going to get better

507
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<v Speaker 2>and better was the technology evolves, it is a serious problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure regulation. I mean, I think California has

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<v Speaker 2>passed the law against using deep fakes for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of purposes, not just political and campaign speech. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure in the campaign context if regulation is the right remedy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it has always been the case. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I can remember one race from thirty years ago where

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<v Speaker 2>a campaign had put up a TV ad that had

515
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<v Speaker 2>incorrect information, and the person that was directed against threatened

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<v Speaker 2>to sue the TV stations that were running it in

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<v Speaker 2>the campaign for putting it up and got them take

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<v Speaker 2>and down. I'm not exactly sure how the law worked

519
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<v Speaker 2>in that particular case, but I think the remedy should be,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in the campaign context, you know, some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of claim, a false information, slander something love That kind

522
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<v Speaker 2>hard to do in politics, right, because you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what can what can we say about Graham Plattner that's

524
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<v Speaker 2>not going to turn out to be true? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, things I could have never thought of turned out

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<v Speaker 3>to be true, So I guess you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the other thing is, I mean, there's also the

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<v Speaker 2>I mean a lot of the Spencer Pratt videos have

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<v Speaker 2>got caricatures of Karen Bass and Governor Knew some but

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<v Speaker 2>they're obviously caricatures, so they're not represented as real representations.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't and there's got to be an artistic

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<v Speaker 2>license there. It seems to me otherwise every political cartoonist

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<v Speaker 2>in the newspaper would be out of business.

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<v Speaker 1>Help us out, John, I'm not sure what the question

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<v Speaker 1>is anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. I mean is there a problem

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<v Speaker 2>or if there is a problem with.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so, I think one thing that you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about is that the social media makes an AI make

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<v Speaker 1>possible decentralized campaigning where you have a huge effect without

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<v Speaker 1>spending hardly any money, and you're relying on these kind

542
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<v Speaker 1>of you just citizen supporters to make ads and videos

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, since the campaign laws are based on contributions

544
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<v Speaker 1>and money, this is just going to fall completely. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not even really First Amendment issue yet because the statutes

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<v Speaker 1>they've written that these legislats have writ to control campaigning

547
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<v Speaker 1>don't cover this kind of activity. So Lucretia's right, we're

548
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<v Speaker 1>getting back to the world before there was a bottlenecks

549
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<v Speaker 1>control created by the control of the media, where just

550
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<v Speaker 1>anybody could print leaflets and say what they wanted, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's going to be outside campaign finance on if

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<v Speaker 1>they did, if the legislatures did try to cover it,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be a mistake, then you'd have First Amendment

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<v Speaker 1>free speech problems. So I don't I don't see how

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<v Speaker 1>the government's going to be able to keep up with these,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, rapid fire developments because of social media and AI,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is another example why AI to me

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<v Speaker 1>and social media are a good thing not a bad

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<v Speaker 1>thing to be regulated.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, so believe it or not. In nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 3>five I wrote my master's thesis on the subject of

562
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<v Speaker 3>campaign finance reform, and ultimately the conclusion was is that

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<v Speaker 3>it was the law of unintended consequences. Every single time,

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<v Speaker 3>every single attempt to regulate campaign finance financing the money

565
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<v Speaker 3>in politics ended up benefiting those who did the regulating.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what it comes down to. So I find

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<v Speaker 3>this whole thing very enticing. I guess you could say,

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<v Speaker 3>just to see if we can actually destroy the entire

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<v Speaker 3>call it the campaign consultant complex. If all of these

570
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<v Speaker 3>people soon will be out of business instead of getting

571
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<v Speaker 3>their millions of dollars from Tom Steyer, et cetera, et cetera,

572
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<v Speaker 3>who needs them. They're still putting TV ads on television

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<v Speaker 3>that nobody watches anymore. I mean, if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>anything about television, the most popular programs, you had something

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<v Speaker 3>on substack about this Steve whatever it was. Sixty minutes

576
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<v Speaker 3>used to be like, you know, everybody what, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what sixty minutes and forty years, you know? And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know anybody who has. I don't know anybody

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<v Speaker 3>who would watch sixty minutes, and you know, I really don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you guys probably do because you're you know,

581
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<v Speaker 3>those Aragal snobs. But I don't, and so they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Well anyway, that's my might. My thought is maybe this

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<v Speaker 3>is a really good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, at the broader point about campaign finance regulation, which

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<v Speaker 2>is goes back to fifty years now, the seventies with FACO,

586
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<v Speaker 2>isn't that the first and the act is that it

587
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<v Speaker 2>has helped erode and destroy political parties and it centralized

588
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<v Speaker 2>our politics more. Those are broader subjects to pass along.

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<v Speaker 2>I just will mention in passing because it's too much

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<v Speaker 2>fun not to that. One of the heroes of resisting

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<v Speaker 2>all that early on, in one of the early key

592
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<v Speaker 2>cases was a guy named oh yeah. That guy's name

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<v Speaker 2>was John Bolton. He did a lot of the principal

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<v Speaker 2>legal work of the Buckley be Balo case.

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<v Speaker 3>He's probably guy yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The giant of the Federal Society, a guy named Ralph Winter.

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<v Speaker 1>It was my professor of corporate law and at Yale

598
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<v Speaker 1>and became a judge and a Pella judge and Connecticut

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<v Speaker 1>and was a great figure, and he argued he was

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<v Speaker 1>a great figure of the conservative legal movement, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the one who won the case a question. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's a longer story than I tell in my biography

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<v Speaker 2>of Stan Evans, but that decision is what allowed independent

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<v Speaker 2>expenditures to help revive Ronald Reagan's campaign in nineteen seventy

605
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<v Speaker 2>six when it looked.

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<v Speaker 3>Doomed their ad noll that was eighty four.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is seventy six, when it was challenging Ford

608
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<v Speaker 2>and Reagan was down and about out, it was preparing

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<v Speaker 2>to drop out, and then a bunch of people's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my mentor Stan Evans said hey, you know what this

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<v Speaker 2>court decision says, we can spend money on your behalf.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to go do it and it'll turn around

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<v Speaker 2>in North Carolina and became a very close race. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I do think I've happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I think with Lucretia's right that inevitably campaign finance laws,

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<v Speaker 1>efforts to regulate politics themselves, so inevitably is used by

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<v Speaker 1>incumbents to keep themselves in power. So any of this

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<v Speaker 1>decentralization is just to be welcome because it'll help, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>help reduce the incumbent advantage in these elections. One other

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<v Speaker 1>point about the Save Act I think Lucretia mentioned it

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<v Speaker 1>is I don't think the Save Act would apply to

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<v Speaker 1>these California races because the Constitution's election Clause, which the

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<v Speaker 1>Congress is acting under, only applies to federal elections. So

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<v Speaker 1>states are allowed. You know, California is allowed to right

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<v Speaker 1>screw up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we have this crazy jungle primary where you're allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Congress couldn't overrule that because that applies if

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<v Speaker 1>they could overrule it as applies to election of federal officers.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it comes to like the state governor, to

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<v Speaker 1>state legislators, to the mayor here in San Francisco, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the state's allowed to screw up its elections as much

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<v Speaker 1>as it once. There's no the election clause doesn't cover it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, true enough, but what about the fact that that

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<v Speaker 4>would mean having two entirely separate electoral systems going on

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<v Speaker 4>and eventually what I mean, okay, this time it doesn't, well, no,

637
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<v Speaker 4>because you've got in November, you'll have federal elections, So

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to have two separate electoral systems to elect

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<v Speaker 4>your members of Congress's Senate, and you're.

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<v Speaker 3>President and then you're I mean, I know that it's

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<v Speaker 3>done on city councils. There are city councils that allow

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<v Speaker 3>that allow illegals to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that Congress can't. Congress can't regulate the state

644
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<v Speaker 1>of options even if they're used. You know, the process

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<v Speaker 1>is the same for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. But also I mean, I mean, does this mean

647
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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna like some parts of the bout are not

648
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<v Speaker 2>going to be counted first? I mean that just seems

649
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<v Speaker 2>like a codal god awful mess to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Administratively, it would be a pain in the neck,

651
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<v Speaker 1>and most states would probably just conform to the federal standards,

652
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<v Speaker 1>but they don't have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, I totally get it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's let's have another quick break for a

655
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<v Speaker 2>sponsor and we'll be right back. Oh. I did mention

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<v Speaker 2>the Obama Library opening and that thing that looks like, uh,

657
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<v Speaker 2>the Guardian describe it as looking like a kling on prison.

658
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<v Speaker 2>And when the Guardian is dumping on your choices, that's

659
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<v Speaker 2>really something.

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<v Speaker 1>British don't understand America, because there's no such thing as

661
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<v Speaker 1>cling on prisons. Now, they don't take prisoners, they just

662
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<v Speaker 1>have work camps, like in Star Trek Sex where they

663
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<v Speaker 1>sent them to slave labor camps. British once another example

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<v Speaker 1>of why we should throw off this, your guys, bizarre

665
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<v Speaker 1>idolatry of the British just because of their funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Your example, John shows why William Shatner, as much as

667
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<v Speaker 2>I adore him, should never be allowed to direct a

668
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<v Speaker 2>movie because he's terrible at it. But that's the subject

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<v Speaker 2>for another.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Star Trek five.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So here's here. So here's my quick wrap up

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<v Speaker 3>of this. And I started to tell Steve this when

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<v Speaker 3>we were in Italy in this absolutely beautiful church. We

674
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<v Speaker 3>went in so many churches that were so old and

675
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<v Speaker 3>so beautiful. I don't remember which, but it reminded me

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<v Speaker 3>of what my old professor told me many many years

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<v Speaker 3>ago about the difference between Protestantism and Catholicism and why

678
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<v Speaker 3>Protestant churches. And I spent my early years in Protestant

679
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<v Speaker 3>churches with their hard benches and the you know, very

680
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<v Speaker 3>plane walls, and maybe there's a maybe, you know, there's

681
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<v Speaker 3>a single crew to fix somewhere, but there's certainly no

682
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<v Speaker 3>beautiful artwork or any of those things, at least not

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<v Speaker 3>in in uh newer Protestant and and his argument was

684
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<v Speaker 3>this that that Protestantism, especially this sort of evangelical product,

685
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:21.480
<v Speaker 3>it becomes a very personalized thing. And if you're I'll

686
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<v Speaker 3>try my best, and I'm going to relate it back

687
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<v Speaker 3>to Obama's library. If you're in a in a you know,

688
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<v Speaker 3>bare bones Protestant church, you're thinking about you. If you're

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<v Speaker 3>in a very ornate Catholics, uh, you know, any kind

690
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<v Speaker 3>of beautiful church, you're you're overtaken the awe inspiring artwork

691
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 3>and you know all of that. So it's it's it's

692
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<v Speaker 3>just a difference in perspective that one looks to versus

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<v Speaker 3>the other. Back to the library. The reason that Obama

694
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<v Speaker 3>designed that ugly monstrosity the way he did, and the

695
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<v Speaker 3>reason Steve actually brought it up and said, what can

696
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<v Speaker 3>we relate this to Rutalist architecture in general, is yes,

697
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<v Speaker 3>you know what, we don't want people looking beyond that.

698
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<v Speaker 3>We don't want people looking to beauty. We want them

699
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:16.039
<v Speaker 3>looking at us. And if it was a beautiful library,

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00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 3>people would be in there talking about how, you know,

701
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<v Speaker 3>the how beautiful it is and all of those. Instead

702
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.719
<v Speaker 3>who's the king of the library. It's Obama, and you're

703
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 3>never going to forget that, because what else is there

704
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 3>to think about if it's so damn ugly. I'm not

705
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<v Speaker 3>doing a really great job of explaining it because architecture

706
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 3>is not my thing. But you get the point that

707
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<v Speaker 3>it's all a kind of narcissistic all about me and

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<v Speaker 3>denying aesthetic beauty altogether, because aesthetic beauty takes you outside

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<v Speaker 3>of yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, just as political philosophy has disappeared from

711
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 2>political science or least sensible ones, aesthetics, which used to

712
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 2>be a major sub field in philosophy, has nearly vanished

713
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<v Speaker 2>from academic philosophy. Why it's too subjective and unscientific. And

714
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<v Speaker 2>I actually think that the what do you say, the

715
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<v Speaker 2>worldview of the left, however, whichever ways you want to

716
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>describe it, is connected in some level to this architectural question.

717
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<v Speaker 2>So Trump in his first term without an executive order

718
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<v Speaker 2>saying federal buildings should be designed on the classical model

719
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<v Speaker 2>that Washingt d c. Was built out with, right, you know,

720
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<v Speaker 2>very roman asque for a Greek. Biden repealed that executive

721
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<v Speaker 2>order on day one. You would have thought that would

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<v Speaker 2>have been, you know, something to do on week three,

723
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.000
<v Speaker 2>but now it was important enough for the left that

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to rescind that on day one, because who

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<v Speaker 2>knows how many federal buildings were in the process of

726
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<v Speaker 2>being planned. Federal courthouses are often the worst. I don't

727
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<v Speaker 2>know if you paid attention to this, John, but a

728
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<v Speaker 2>lot of them are very very expensive, lots of blasts

729
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<v Speaker 2>and weird stuff and designed to be They look like

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<v Speaker 2>the Obama Library in some cases. I mean, they're really

731
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<v Speaker 2>really awful. So I don't know, there's this just shows

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<v Speaker 2>you the problem is comprehensive.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys take a long time just to say something's ugly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm a fan of presidential libraries. I actually have

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<v Speaker 1>visited a large of them. They're just a few I

736
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<v Speaker 1>haven't visited. And as you say, the newer ones get

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<v Speaker 1>uglier over time because they're the I guess the people

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<v Speaker 1>who plan these museums, and they're usually archives as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to be taken by, you know, the latest

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<v Speaker 1>architectural feds. I liked the one, for example, the more

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<v Speaker 1>traditional ones. For example, you go to FDRs, which I

742
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<v Speaker 1>don't think is probably a lot of visitors. It's basically

743
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<v Speaker 1>is how the house he was living. Yeah, and then

744
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<v Speaker 1>there's like another building that's the archive, but it doesn't

745
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<v Speaker 1>you would never mention it's not meant to make an

746
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<v Speaker 1>architectural statement or the other ones I mean, for example,

747
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<v Speaker 1>Eisenhowers I think is similar. It's not some grand architectural

748
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<v Speaker 1>statement in Abilene, Kansas. But then you get to more

749
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<v Speaker 1>resents like Clinton's, which if you go to Little Road

750
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<v Speaker 1>is like it's like a l upside down and it yeah,

751
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:02.719
<v Speaker 1>gets along the river and it kind of sticks out

752
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:05.599
<v Speaker 1>over the river and people, I just don't know this

753
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 1>true joke that where he's starting to do is bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember his phrase was building a bridge to the

755
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<v Speaker 1>twenty first century. I'm sure Clinton wishes he didn't cross

756
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.519
<v Speaker 1>that bridge actually now all the trouble they're in, but

757
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 1>it's unfinished, like a lot of things that they did, right,

758
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.280
<v Speaker 1>it's like not even close to halfway across that river. Right,

759
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.679
<v Speaker 1>maybe they had some grandiose plan to put a bridge

760
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<v Speaker 1>or across the bridge over the whole thing. Another I

761
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<v Speaker 1>don't know if the Obama administration will have this problem

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<v Speaker 1>with their museum. But another just great tidbit about going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Clinton Library and museum. I did a debate

764
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<v Speaker 1>there at the library, and so I got to take

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<v Speaker 1>a tour with the curator of the museum. And the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing he says, when you need hi, miss, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>before you even ask, I'm going to tell you we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the blue dress, right yeah, And he says.

770
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<v Speaker 1>Every single person comes as where's the blue dress?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's interesting, he said, John, you're a lawyer. You

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<v Speaker 1>know where the dress is, don't you. And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess right, because it's evidence in a criminal trial.

775
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<v Speaker 1>And so after the trial's over, you give it back

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<v Speaker 1>to the owner. So Nicolowski must have this stress. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I can't wait till she puts it

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<v Speaker 1>up on eBay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go. Oh what I would sell for

780
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<v Speaker 2>a lot, wouldn't it? All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's wait, wait, wait, before you go, I just want

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<v Speaker 3>to make one further point about the left and ugliness.

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<v Speaker 3>I this is not lookism. This is I think that

784
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<v Speaker 3>the the the human equivalent of the Obama Library is

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<v Speaker 3>your average leftist. I'm at the pharmacist the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm standing beside behind these two people, and one's a man,

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<v Speaker 3>one's a woman, barely barely capable of noticing that covered

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<v Speaker 3>in tattoos. Their hair is shaved up to hear both

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<v Speaker 3>of them, huge gauges, you know, making their ear lobes

790
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<v Speaker 3>this big multiple you know this, and that purple hair

791
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.679
<v Speaker 3>or no more like truce hair. And you know you

792
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 3>could not have made yourself uglier if you tried.

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<v Speaker 2>Well wait a minute, okay, no, you really.

794
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<v Speaker 3>Couldn't overweight dumpy the clothes they were wearing, and they couldn't.

795
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was weird. You stood up.

796
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<v Speaker 3>The clothes they were wearing were designed to be ugly,

797
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 3>like they had holes in them and they had runs,

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00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 3>and I was just standing there sort of in awe

799
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<v Speaker 3>about you know, some of this stuff is expensive, like

800
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<v Speaker 3>lots of tattoos. That's expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, now that you say you couldn't make yourself uglier,

802
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.800
<v Speaker 2>have you seen Jane Fonda lately?

803
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<v Speaker 3>Now, Oh, Eugene Fonda is.

804
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<v Speaker 2>Just a freak now, I mean she's approaching Michael Jackson

805
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<v Speaker 2>levels of freakishness and all the look. She's been getting

806
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<v Speaker 2>debt and fender work done for forty fifty years, the

807
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<v Speaker 2>Collier Horowitz book about her hazard from you know, forty

808
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<v Speaker 2>years ago. But lately she just had so much facial work.

809
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<v Speaker 2>I get it that women want to preserve their looks

810
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<v Speaker 2>as they age.

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<v Speaker 3>That's working toward beauty, not against it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but but but yes, but the impulse to do

813
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<v Speaker 2>what she's been doing to herself isn't that connected idiologically

814
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<v Speaker 2>the same phenomenon we're talking about with the Obama Library,

815
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<v Speaker 2>the conquest of nature? Right, okay, yeah, yeah right, And

816
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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's astounding to me. I mean, what, she

817
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<v Speaker 2>looks much worse now if she let herself age more naturally,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put it that way, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's tough. Trust, it's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>One last to look in the mirror and see those wrinkles.

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<v Speaker 2>But one last footnote from where we kind of began, John,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, are you still nominally episcopalian? John? Why? What?

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<v Speaker 1>Model?

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<v Speaker 2>Nominal? Nominal? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because because you know, the nineteen seventy nine Prayer book,

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<v Speaker 2>which was very controversial, because replace the twenty eight prayer

830
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<v Speaker 2>book that was much more classical. It has as one

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<v Speaker 2>of its youth buristic prayers what has long been known

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<v Speaker 2>as the Star Trek prayer. Do you not know this? No,

833
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<v Speaker 2>here's how this is the it's one of the collects.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's eucharistic prayer. See in the prayer book. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>a little of it. You'll see why. It's called the

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<v Speaker 2>star Trek prayer. God of all Power, Ruler of the universe,

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<v Speaker 2>You are worthy of glory and praise Lord to you,

838
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 2>forever and ever. At your command, all things came to be,

839
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<v Speaker 2>the vast expanse of interstellar space, galaxy, suns, the planets

840
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 2>in their courses, and this fragile Earth are island home.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts to sound like an Anthony Kennedy opinion.

842
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:33.159
<v Speaker 1>This is not book in the Book of common it is.

843
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not making it in some kind of immense it's

844
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's in right to eucharistic prayer. See you can

845
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.920
<v Speaker 2>look it up. As they say, Oh, I know it's pretty.

846
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone uses it, but it's there. And

847
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 2>all right, all right, quick break and we'll we'll get

848
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 2>out with a few words about the Supreme Court. Since

849
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 2>as usual we have run long, but this commercial break

850
00:45:53.760 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 2>will not run long. Don't go away. Well, it's been

851
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:05.320
<v Speaker 2>another busy week of the Supreme Court. But I think

852
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 2>we want to hold a lot of stuff until the

853
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.000
<v Speaker 2>term ends here at the end of the month or

854
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.199
<v Speaker 2>early July, as it's been doing lately. I did think

855
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the best article I read this week was Paul Marino

856
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.119
<v Speaker 2>of Hillsdale College, who's a historian there. I've never met him,

857
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>but I's written some really good stuff in an article

858
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 2>on law and liberty. That was a review of the

859
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Sarah Isger book, which is what the Last Branch Standing.

860
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 2>That's she's getting lots of press and everybody's falling all

861
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 2>over how great it is. And I'm gonna skip over it.

862
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:31.760
<v Speaker 2>For the most part. I think it's overdone. For one thing,

863
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Lucretia Sarah Is I don't know her, but she does

864
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 2>a podcast with David French, and that's all you need

865
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to know, right, I mean.

866
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:42.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay, but come on, what is it with people that

867
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 3>think they have to be scatological in what purports to

868
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 3>be a scholarly work. I am just so tired of

869
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 3>standing just being absolutely abandoned.

870
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, well, well, Lucretia's referring to is some really

871
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 2>stupid lines in the book that quotes in his review

872
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>that I will skip over. I will say one thing

873
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I like about the review. So he gave me a

874
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 2>new German word that I'd never heard before, geffousturisprudens, which

875
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:13.159
<v Speaker 2>he says is a jurisprudence of emotion and sentiment. The

876
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Warren Court approach, right, it goes a lot with my

877
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.239
<v Speaker 2>favorite German term I got from Albert Herschmann Velt for schlecktorer,

878
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:24.159
<v Speaker 2>which means world worsener, and that describes almost every progressive

879
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I like that world worsener veal for schlecturer. Look, the

880
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Marino article talks about how we really have seen I mean, okay,

881
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.199
<v Speaker 2>are the items on our minds. We have the major

882
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Questions doctrine, we repealed, the Chevron doctrine. Originalism is writing

883
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.760
<v Speaker 2>in the saddle in the various forms that it has.

884
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.119
<v Speaker 2>But he says we've now getting rid of judicial supremacy

885
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.159
<v Speaker 2>by degree. At least he thinks that's what's happening. We

886
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.679
<v Speaker 2>are abandoning the idea that the Supreme Court should be

887
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 2>the avatar of progress in the terms that Alexander Bickel

888
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.119
<v Speaker 2>laid out in that really terrific book of his from

889
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the early seventies I think, which I dusted off after

890
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Paul's article. So what do you think is that overly

891
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:08.519
<v Speaker 2>brought I mean, is that really the outline of sanity

892
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:11.480
<v Speaker 2>at the moment from our courts or let's start with you, John,

893
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 2>since you know I want to pull you out of

894
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 2>the weeds, to get you up with the limbs of

895
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 2>the trees a little bit.

896
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, I haven't read Sarah's book. You should realize Sarah

897
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:23.719
<v Speaker 1>is a kind of Well, is a Claremont a student

898
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and a fellow at one of the Claremont Institute summer programs,

899
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.199
<v Speaker 1>which is where I first met her. And she's a conservative,

900
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and I think she was writing the Trump first term.

901
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:41.400
<v Speaker 1>She was the press secretary for Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

902
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:44.800
<v Speaker 1>That's how she got her star. So she's no liberal,

903
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>but she is basically a journalist. And so I think

904
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Marino and other people like guess we might be expecting

905
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:56.440
<v Speaker 1>too much from her book because it is more, from

906
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:59.639
<v Speaker 1>what I can tell, a kind of journalistic account, and

907
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.400
<v Speaker 1>UH is going to praise. The main subject of what

908
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.360
<v Speaker 1>she covers is the Supreme Court. That's not no surprise.

909
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.119
<v Speaker 1>But then you know she's going to fall into the

910
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.559
<v Speaker 1>traps of the way the media covers the Supreme Court right,

911
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:17.000
<v Speaker 1>which is, as you say, judicial supremacy. Steve has let

912
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:18.639
<v Speaker 1>the dogs out as usual.

913
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 2>It's Lucretius dogs. Yeah.

914
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, the camera is showing that the chaos. That's that's

915
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that we see in Lucretious cave that she calls us.

916
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, there's like a puppy.

917
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Well we heard about this last week. There it is.

918
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 2>There's a puppy.

919
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh what a cute dog.

920
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

921
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I wasn't on the podcast last week, but I

922
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.800
<v Speaker 1>did listen to that's you guys, and are Jay engaging

923
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 1>in your self self referential Claremont cheer session? From what

924
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 1>I could tell, Oh, there you go again, right, But

925
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.280
<v Speaker 1>just to go back to the book and the review,

926
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:58.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, she's just, you know, she's going to follow

927
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the conventional wisdom on the court, which is, oh, judicial

928
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:04.639
<v Speaker 1>supremacy is fine, and why isn't the Supreme Court and

929
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.800
<v Speaker 1>more to save America? And aren't the other branches so terrible?

930
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 1>And we love the Supreme Court because it is the

931
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, the only institution that seems to be working.

932
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.920
<v Speaker 1>You'd expect her to do more. I think defending the

933
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Court is an institution from the attacks.

934
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Of the left exactly, yes, but you know I think.

935
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<v Speaker 1>That, yeah, to the extent that Marino's review is corrected,

936
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.880
<v Speaker 1>it sort of slides over this very important debate that

937
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>we're all familiar with about judicial supremacy versus departmentalism, which

938
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 1>is each branch interprets and constitution for itself. You know. Again,

939
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>she's writing a more journalistic account, and so we can't

940
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:48.880
<v Speaker 1>expect her to have delved into that important issue. But

941
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:51.199
<v Speaker 1>to the extent she believes in judicial supremacy, she's going

942
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:55.119
<v Speaker 1>to be wrong, right, Like, that's inconsistent with the original

943
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:57.760
<v Speaker 1>understanding and the basic structure of the Constitution.

944
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, you just laid your finger on a key point

945
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to draw Lucretia out on, which is, Look,

946
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:06.880
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty clear that the left's next target to delegitimize

947
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.719
<v Speaker 2>as the Supreme Court. If they can't pack it and

948
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:10.559
<v Speaker 2>own it, they're gonna attack it. They're already doing it.

949
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 2>They say it's an illegitimate court. That's the phrase that

950
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.119
<v Speaker 2>they use because they don't control it. And it seems

951
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>to me that a book about the last branch standing

952
00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:22.719
<v Speaker 2>ought to have some serious arrows aimed at that problem.

953
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.440
<v Speaker 2>And I think all can gather she's really kind of

954
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:28.239
<v Speaker 2>dodged all that, and I think that is a failure

955
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:28.599
<v Speaker 2>of nerve.

956
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.320
<v Speaker 3>I think I would say she dodges it too by

957
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.039
<v Speaker 3>sort of embracing that silly nonsense about the three three three.

958
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:38.920
<v Speaker 3>So what I mean by that is there a three

959
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:43.000
<v Speaker 3>in her opinion. There's not six conservatives and three liberals.

960
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:48.000
<v Speaker 3>There's six excuse me, three liberals, three conservatives, and she

961
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:52.679
<v Speaker 3>really despises Clarence Thomas, it's obvious. And in the middle

962
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:57.320
<v Speaker 3>you've got the great people Kavanaugh, Roberts and what's her name,

963
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Amy Cony Barrett and are the people who care about

964
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:07.599
<v Speaker 3>the institution and care about preserving what I always say

965
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 3>about John Roberts, which is he cares more about the

966
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.239
<v Speaker 3>integrity of the court than he does the integrity of

967
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:16.760
<v Speaker 3>the Constitution. And you know, so I get from a

968
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 3>call it as John does a journalistic point of view,

969
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:24.320
<v Speaker 3>I prefer it more as a as a typical millennial

970
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:28.960
<v Speaker 3>political I'm going to be middle way support of point

971
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.920
<v Speaker 3>of view. Yeah, you've got to overturn all of those

972
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 3>horrible things that the war in court did. You don't

973
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.920
<v Speaker 3>have a choice that you would do it slowly, that

974
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:41.599
<v Speaker 3>you would do it incrementally. It's it's absolutely fine, But

975
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, I just it's it's it's really awful that

976
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:49.639
<v Speaker 3>something like that is becoming such a you know, causleb

977
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.760
<v Speaker 3>for everyone. Because I guess I should write it. A

978
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.480
<v Speaker 3>better book needs to be written.

979
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:57.679
<v Speaker 2>All right, So I want while you queue up your

980
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Babylon bees, to take us to the end. Do you

981
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.000
<v Speaker 2>see some questions in the chat? Is the new dog

982
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 2>named Baron like Baron von Richtover or Baron after the

983
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 2>b e r e and the No?

984
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 1>No, of course, Lucretia named it after President Trump's son.

985
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.800
<v Speaker 3>No, no, I didn't name it President. I didn't name

986
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 3>it because it's really not my dog. It's my dog,

987
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.880
<v Speaker 3>my son's dog. And he named it Baron b e

988
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.400
<v Speaker 3>r E. N Oh, yeah from the silk. I can't

989
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.599
<v Speaker 3>even say the word, much less to spell it.

990
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

991
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 3>And he had a different name in mind, but some

992
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:36.360
<v Speaker 3>sort of wolf dog, but it was too hard to say,

993
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:38.320
<v Speaker 3>and it ended up sounding like we were calling.

994
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Him wan oh bayorn Byorn was the was the big

995
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:43.719
<v Speaker 2>sort of wolf bear character in the Hobbit.

996
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.679
<v Speaker 3>I think, I think, I don't know, I'm not I

997
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:51.039
<v Speaker 3>am not the expert, so anyway, so he's But I

998
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:54.199
<v Speaker 3>have one quick thing for everybody who's followed my dog

999
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:58.119
<v Speaker 3>life Kaiser, who's about one hundred one hundred and five

1000
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:01.800
<v Speaker 3>pounds very you know, stuck and is scary looking. That's

1001
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:06.960
<v Speaker 3>my dog at this age weighed eight pounds. This is

1002
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:11.880
<v Speaker 3>a dog from the same line of German shepherds. He

1003
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.679
<v Speaker 3>had his eight week and so it would be not

1004
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.400
<v Speaker 3>he was nine weeks old. At his appointment yesterday with

1005
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 3>the vet. He weighs eighteen pounds. Oh he's going to

1006
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:25.719
<v Speaker 3>be huge. Oh boy, I could barely pick him up

1007
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 3>because he weighs eighteen pounds at nine weeks old. So anyway, sorry,

1008
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.519
<v Speaker 3>and he's grown two pounds since we've had him in

1009
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:32.000
<v Speaker 3>a week.

1010
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:35.679
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, got some bees, I.

1011
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Do I do much sorry about that for people who

1012
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:44.480
<v Speaker 3>for all our Muslims listeners out there, I apologize, not really, Okay.

1013
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:48.960
<v Speaker 3>California announces they have finished counting the votes and Ronald

1014
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Reagan has won the nineteen sixty six governors.

1015
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I like that one.

1016
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I know. There's a lot of good ones.

1017
00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 3>I'll keep it short. Sixty minutes begin search for new

1018
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:05.400
<v Speaker 3>pompous blowhard. That was one of my favorites. Uh kure

1019
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Starmer warns uk about rise of murder murderer phobia. Yeah,

1020
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.960
<v Speaker 3>I can't even say it, Grandplatt, and we didn't talk

1021
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.440
<v Speaker 3>about it much. It'll be interesting to see how this

1022
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.159
<v Speaker 3>thing all falls out. I do want to mention that

1023
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that the Times story really was an attempt

1024
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:29.119
<v Speaker 3>to uh A, get ahead of everything. But b they

1025
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:34.119
<v Speaker 3>are pushing a certain pushing for a certain uh part

1026
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<v Speaker 3>of the electorate that that is not bothered by the

1027
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.119
<v Speaker 3>fact that this guy is just a vile scumbag of

1028
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:40.519
<v Speaker 3>a human.

1029
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.079
<v Speaker 2>You're talking about, Graham Platina.

1030
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Now, oh sorry, So yeah, I'm looking at it. That's

1031
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:47.199
<v Speaker 3>my I apologize. Graham Platner reassures voters that there are

1032
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:51.679
<v Speaker 3>probably only fourteen or fifteen more horrific revelations to come.

1033
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

1034
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know it's bad. I'll end it with this,

1035
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:01.159
<v Speaker 3>just when this one's just for John Silton pleads guilty,

1036
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:05.280
<v Speaker 3>sentenced to five year imprisonment at SeaWorld, and he's sitting

1037
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 3>on a rock with a bunch of Walruses.

1038
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:09.800
<v Speaker 2>What's so bad about Sueworld?

1039
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Nothing bad about it. He'd probably be happy to be

1040
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 3>hanging out with the Walruses at SeaWorld if he does

1041
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:19.280
<v Speaker 3>actually get those sixty month in jail, he won't I

1042
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 3>don't think. But anyway, I'm done.

1043
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, always drink your whiskey, neat buy more books than

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<v Speaker 1>Steve your new sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, We'll just do a generic one for now

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm behind on everything. You've been listening to Three

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<v Speaker 2>Whiskey Happy Hour. We thank our sponsors at the Civitas Institute,

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<v Speaker 2>where we're all three of us happy fellows. Now. We

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate our hosts at Ricochet for hosting and producing our podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll be back next week. We hope we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>scattered again around the world, it turns out, with another

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<v Speaker 2>edition of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go out at the end of the month with

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<v Speaker 2>a big Supreme Court roundup. So for that, enjoy your weekend, everybody.

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