Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name
is Tim Duckworth. What's going on, sir?
Speaker 2: I munch and done good. How about you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. I mean a big hectic this morning,
but that's understandable. You've got a new haircut. I know
people can't see it, but those that join us at
the WSP in what three weeks time, I'm sure we'll
see this.
Speaker 2: You need If it lost, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, it should definitely last. I mean, you look like
an idiot, but I think it looks it looks kind
of great. You definitely look like you play Ossie rules football. Yeah, which,
by the way, I don't know if if you saw
on social media, but like there's like this new sport.
Have you seen this where basically two guys line up
and they just run at each other a million miles
an hour and basically kill each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's more rugby because whatever.
Speaker 1: Well it's that version of the like the slap.
Speaker 2: Like the slap. Yeah, it looks insane.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it looks absolutely wild. I mean these
guys were forced. Yeah, but didn't you just play something.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna line myself up against a three hundred
pounds samoan and try and knock him to the ground.
Speaker 1: Okay, but like when you go play, when you play
Aussie Rules, so like, are there big ass people on
the other side.
Speaker 2: Not as much as like a rugby is. It's more
about this more speed and agility than anything. Yeah, there's
obviously some big guys, but they're not as effective in
Aussie Rules. So I just try and run away from
people and not get tackled. I don't like contact them
a little bit of a baby, did you guys?
Speaker 1: I saw something on your Instagram some score that was
absolutely outrageous.
Speaker 2: It was, Yeah, we crushed We absolutely destroyed Orange County
Giants by ninety points, which.
Speaker 1: Is like, oh Orange County, huh, shout out producer Rich Ryan.
He's to join the squad Orange County.
Speaker 2: Let's go look Orange County. Good bunch, a good bunch
of blugs down there. So I might go play with
them in a couple of weeks for the thing it's
called the Sun Cup.
Speaker 1: If you and where was your team from?
Speaker 2: Basically, well, Vegas doesn't really have much of a team anymore,
so I basically just an Arizona Hawk.
Speaker 1: Now, I would have bet lots of money on the
Arizona Hawks versus something Orange County when it comes to
Ousie Wilson, I mean it will wait. Orange County brings
the heat and.
Speaker 2: There they've got some good players. But Hawks looking good.
We're coming for the championship this year.
Speaker 1: All right, Well we're all over the place to start
this part. Yes, but I mean I'll give you guys,
you know, we'll peel back the curtain a little bit.
Eight forty seven rolls around in the morning. It's it's
Thursday morning, May eighth. I'm driving home, just picking up
the coffees on the way home from dropping off the
kids for the wife, and I Tim text me, are
we still potting at nine? Immediately I'm like, oh shit,
I forgot to finish the rundown of the topics. I
like half did them, and then I kind of sketched
them out the other day. I forgot got busy whatever.
So Tim's like, well, what are we going to talk about?
I mean, and then in my mind I'm like, well,
if you're hitting me up thirteen minutes before showtime, you
obviously have not prepared for the rundown. So it does
not matter what I put on the rundown because you
have not prepared. So we're just gonna hit on some
general topics. We're gonna kind of bounce all over the place. Basically,
we just want to talk to you guys, you know.
So that's that's why we're here. You know, the dobasipy
plus app. They announced kind of some some further solidified details.
I know we hit on that last episode, but we'll
you know, we'll hit on it again, and it is
worth hitting on this multiple times because it is so
important for the summer. You absolutely do need to have
this app. So you know, we're going to probably drill
at home with you guys, you know a few more
times as we go. There are a couple updated WISIP
rules that we want to touch on. Probably the most
fun topic of this podcast, twenty five K fantasy. It
is coming baby, and we are in the dance once again,
well hopefully, but I'll talk about that when we get there.
Our old friend, Poker's old friend, Aliam Siirrovich is in
the headlines. I definitely want to hit on that. And
then just a couple of news items as it relates
to some online poker stuff here in the US that
I'll quickly touch on as we go. So that's going
to be the show today, and then I don't know,
maybe we'll talk about some other stuff as always though,
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Google Play. So the WSB plus app is going to
be mandatory to play poker this summer. You must have
the was B plus app, You must get an account,
and then you can register for ANYBASIP event through the app.
You're also still gonna need the Caesars Rewards cards. So
I would say, if you're out there now and you're
planning on playing the Wasp, you can just download the
app to your phone right now. I know Tim has it,
I know I have it. You know, plenty of people
have already done it. You can kind of go through
the initial process of things, maybe poke around a little bit,
see what's in there, and then once you get to
the property in Vegas, if you don't have one already,
you can pick up a Caesar's Reward card and then
there's gonna it's gonna prompt you in the app at
some point when you go to register for a tournament,
you're gonna have to enter that and link it. So
so that's gonna happen. So so make sure you're prepared,
don't you know, show up to the counter or whatever
and they say, hey, do you have the app? And
you say, oh no, what's that? Don't do that. Don't
be that guy or gal. This replaces Bravo Poker Live.
So I'm guessing no more kiosks at the series, you know,
So I guess could just quickly as as a side topic,
I don't know if you saw this, tim but Bravo Poker.
Bravo released the thing saying like they're gonna update all
their stuff. Oh and listen, you know I've said it before.
It's about freaking time, man. That I mean, that is
like the most archaic thing I've ever seen in my life. Now,
of course it's it did help at the summer, you know,
like being able to like just put the ticket in
and like whatever. I mean. So, yeah, so I'm looking
at some their the Bravo Poker Live Twitter slash x
account right now.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Just kind of funny is that this graphic also looks
very old and archaic. I feel like if you were
moving to update everything, you would splurge on a graphic designer.
So the graphic looked up to date as well.
Speaker 2: But they did.
Speaker 1: They did say We're thrilled to share exciting updates coming
soon too, Bravo Poker Live. Thanks for your feedback. We're
adding new features upgrading our platform to make your experience
faster and seamless. Then they put a couple of bullet
points of what to look forward to new look and
feel for the Bravo Poker Live app, tournament registration functionality,
within the Bravo Poker Live app, improved dashboard to manage,
manage and fund your Bravo tbic account, and then enhanced
waiting less sign up with mobile checking and push notifications.
So I'll say that this isn't only because of what
WSP is doing with WSP plus app. I would also
say this is because of Poker Atlas right. Poker Atlas
is definitely out there, so you know, I mean, the
timing could be somewhat coincidental that this dropped in light
of all the news coming out about the WSP plus app,
but I would bet that this has been in the
works for a little bit, and it's funny. One of
the first comment rule of first, how is your company
so absolutely terrible at graphic design?
Speaker 2: Lo o L. I'm reading this comment, when does registration
open for WSP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they didn't get the message. That's kill Billy g.
We should just fire him a message and say, hey,
you're gonna need the WSP plus app, buddy. But listen,
this is you know, this is why you know when
I say things like we need like another online poker
operator here in Nevada, stuff like that, it's because competition
is good. Competition forced you to improve, to advance, to update.
Like you know, we've talked about how the Bravo Poker
Live app is. I feel like they launched it whenever
they launched it, and it had never been updated since,
you know. So finally it's going to get updated. So
you know, now, of course we'll we'll, we'll poke around
in it, we'll see how it is when when the
updates come, you know. But that's at least a good
thing that they're you know, they got a little kick
in the butt to actually move things forward. So that's
a side topic there with all of this. But back
to the WSP plus app. So it is mandatory, as
I said, you know, just download that to your smartphone
device iOS or Android. You can find it in the
various stores there. It's all going to be linked via
what they call a GG pass account. Basically you're gonna
have one like log in across all the different GG
poker things, at least as it pertains to me here
in the US, like poker Steak, which is owned by
GG Poker, I use the same log in there. That's
poker steak dot com where you can sell action and
end by action as well. Also on Club GG, same
log in there. Now for the WSP plus app going
to be same log in there, I would imagine for
those of you in the rest of the world, it's the
same thing for GG Poker online, right, So all that's
going to kind of be rolled in together. So if
you have a GG pass account, that's what you'll log
in with. If not, you'll have to create a new account.
Then you pick your event, you're gonna have to connect
your Caesars reward number as I mentioned, and then you
can purchase your tournament ticket. Just reading through a lot
of the stuff on social media, mostly coming from Kevmath,
shout out to Kevmath for all the work he does
and answering the bazillion questions that people are firing his way.
You know, it sounds like everything's just going to be
in the app. You know, like you're gonna have to
go basically get it verified and whatever to put money
in like one time, get your ID verified in all
of that, and then once you do that, you can
just click a bunch of buttons in the app. You know,
that's where your tournament ticket's going to show up, with
your table and seat. That's where if you're an alternate.
It's gonna I would imagine it's probably gonna ping you,
you know, at some point, but like, hey, your alternate
one fifty four, Maybe it tells you to go to
a late REGs table. Maybe it just it's all through
you know, push notifications. It says, hey, you know, your
table and seat is ready to go here, So that
sort of stuff. It's also going to be stuff, as
we talked about in the last episode, where you can
find the tournament clock, you can find various information on
the events. So I think it's certainly a welcome addition
to the DOUBSIP. It's gonna make things much more efficient,
at least that's how it should operate in theory. Now,
I'm sure there's going to be some kinks to work
out at the beginning. You know, I know that they've
had it in the Bahamas for the past two years.
The Bahamas is not Vegas. Vegas is fifteen x the Bahamas.
So it's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be interesting right
from the jump to see what sort of you know,
kinks they have to work through. Because that first day
is day one A of the Mystery Millions, and we
know that thing gets eighteen twenty thousand people, so that's
gonna be a fun one. One interesting thing that I
saw when I was playing around with the wasp plus
app is you can buy multiple tickets to an event.
Now two things here is that one. I think they
need to fix it because you can buy multiple pents
for literally at least you can click the button like
to go up to like I was able to click
nine for the Dovaspy main event, and then you click
purchase and it's like, okay, you own ninety thousand dollars. Well,
we obviously know that that one's a freezeout, so that's
gonna be one one update they're probably gonna want to
do in these next couple of weeks so that you
know freeze outs are freeze outs, other ones or whatever.
But listen, I do like the fact, and I always
wondered in the past when I go up to play
let's say the Colossus, why can't I just buy three tickets? Yeah,
and if I don't use them, okay, then it's on
me to go refund them. But and then you could
also have it in a thing where it's like okay,
if you don't if you don't, go get them refunded
by X date. Let's say it's December thirty, first, twenty
twenty five at any sort of Caesar's property or whatever. Well,
then you're just shit out of luck and you lost
your money. I mean, who cares that? I always thought
that would be a lot better instead of, you know,
constantly having to go back to the cage. So this
it appears like you are able to buy the multiple tickets,
which would be cool. You know, I would certainly like that.
Speaker 2: Well, the fact that it's anya fine now it kind
of you know, we don't really need to go line up, right,
So you don't really need to buy multiple bullets in
advance because you can buy while busting. True, that is
very could actually just buy it? Well what else the river?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well what I was thinking is, you know,
if you buy them in advance, are you like higher
up on the alternate list? Oh? You know what I mean?
Like it would essentially if I if I were to
buy tickets today and no one else has bought tickets
to Mystery millions. Okay, I'm let's say I buy two tickets,
I go in, I bust now while I'm playing. It's
like it's like a a like a tournament or sorry,
a cash game sign up list where you know, I
put my name, let's I call in, right, I put
my name in, and my name is at the top, right.
But if I'm not there, it just rolls it. So
like if I'm still in the tournament and I don't
use that ticket, like if I if I did purchase
that ticket, I'm technically alternate number one. But if I'm
still in the tournament or I don't like click like
you know, accept or go play or whatever it may be.
Whatever that mechanism is, it just kind of rolls me,
and it keeps rolling me. But the fact that I
did purchase it so early, you know, you would think
that you would stay kind of towards the top, right
that that that was my thinking behind it. So I
don't disagree with you, Like I still think it's going
to be extremely efficiently. You're literally you're gonna bust, You're
gonna click a few buttons on your phone, you're gonna
fire back in boom. But I was thinking, you know,
if you did purchase things ahead of time, then you
you know, you get up to that alternate list a
little bit higher. So that was that was my thought there.
But you know, that's one of the things that I'm
going to be and I'm assuming everyone's going to be
kind of keeping an eye on you know, how does
it work?
Speaker 2: I am like, go ahead, No, I have a question.
I'm hypothetically trying to buy into the Mystery Millions right
now click register, and then before I purchase my ticket,
it says, please note that you must register for this
tournament yourself after purchasing the ticket. What does that actually mean?
Speaker 1: What does that even mean?
Speaker 2: Is there one more step we need to do? Or like, like,
you know, we keep discussing this. We've talked to people,
They're going to give us our table and seat. But
then I don't understand this, like no, that we must
register the to one of me yourself.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's because you haven't verified like your
ID and stuff yet, Like you haven't done the one
time like put your money in, like get your idea verified,
all that sort of stuff ahead of time.
Speaker 2: Like because I've only done two of the three steps
for verification because the other one third one is on site.
So but yeah, that maybe that maybe that's a but
it would be silly, you know that if we barth
of this app, we buy it, and then we still
have to go, you know, do one more step check
in somewhere. Hopefully they can just send us, you know,
your yellow section table seventeen, seat four. That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Another thing I'm curious about, just being like the
the I guess kind of nerd I am about this
sort of stuff is I feel like the entire Divisity
schedule was completed before they knew that Doviasity Plus was
going to be available to them. And I say that
because and I'm sure there's people out there who have
worked with apps, who have worked with websites, whatever it
may be, that your dev team can tell you everything
is load tested until it actually gets tested. Like I mean,
I remember, like years ago going into the World Series
of Poker when I was running the Poker News team.
The first one of the first events was that forty
K anniversary Nolamit hold Them event, and it was like, No,
our website's ready, our websites' ready because we had just
done a bunch of new stuff for the website. No,
the website's ready, the website's ready, the website ready. Boom,
website crashes Like in the first hour because you can't
actually predict it like you can try. You can throw
a bunch of stuff at it in this sort of
you know, staging development world, but you can't ultimately be
prepared for that day one. And why say that is
like if you knew that do wasit plus app was
coming to Vegas and the load that's going to be
on it, would you actually start the dowicip with the
Mystery Millions? Wouldn't you kind of be like, We're gonna
start Day one is going to be the employees event
and that five k opener, and then day two, day three,
that's when Mystery Millions starts because at least you get
a test on the first day of you know, probably
one to two thousand people instead of five to six
thousand people possibly, right, So that's you know, that's just
a little interesting nugget there. Now I'll also say this,
we gotta bear with the DOUBSIP and GG Poker and everyone.
This is ultimately going to be a very good thing
for the series. I fully believe that it's going to
make things way way way more efficient. It's going to
make the process way way way better. You know, of course,
there are going to be some quote unquote growing pains
with things as as you know, one everyone gets used
to it. Like, there's probably going to be lines initially
because you're going to have people that are coming to
the WSB that need to go and do the whole
ID verification and funding of the accounts like in person. Yes,
but then after that it should be extremely streamlined. Right,
So again, just you know, bear with every everything as
much as possible because ultimately, you know, as the summer
goes on, this is only going to improve and it's
going to get better. It is going to be a
very very good thing. And then in years to come,
you know, in future summers, this is going to be
a big benefit. And it's also something where I would
imagine other operators take on a similar sort of path.
You know, I know, Tim, you and I have already
heard the There are various other operators we won't name names,
but you know they've been poking around being like, hey,
we should have this too. So yeah, there's that. I know,
Poker Stars has the Poker Stars Live app, and outside
of the US, you know, it works very similar to this.
In the US. There's of course, all the the issues
you and I did the whole Resorts World NAPT thing,
and that was kind of like, well, what's the point
of the app if I have to go stand in
seventeen different lines and get eighteen different tickets and you know,
all this sort of stuff. But again, maybe this is
like this prompt Resorts World and the NAPT with Poker Stars,
which is coming back at the you know, in the
second half of this year to kind of streamline that
that process. So all in all, I think this is
a very good thing, and it's going to you know,
if if this is the only like noticeable change. I
know people have thought since it was announced that gigipover
acquired the w SP that you're gonna like walk into
Paris Horseshoe and it's going to be like a complete
different thing. If if everything is the same, but this
is the only change, it's a massive win. Okay. Yeah,
Like so I just want to make that clear, and
it's very cool. And listen again, if you are out there,
if you're in Vegas, I would try and get this
this stuff done early. You know, is there like a
date when you can already can you go down there today?
Speaker 2: No? May fifteenth, I believe is the first thing.
Speaker 1: Well, that gives you essentially two weeks yeah ahead, So
I would, you know, go down there, like get to
get this stuff in order, Like you don't want to,
you don't want to show up May. What is it
May twenty seven, May twenty eighth, and there's that massive
line of all the people wanting to play the mystery, Like,
so go down there and get this stuff done. I
think you and I will obviously try and do that.
Speaker 2: I uh, I'm just kind of playing around with the app,
and I went to my much. You know, you can
make your own story in the app. It's basically kind
of like a Twitter feed. So I posted something the
other day. You know, you can kind of post updates
in the event you are asking questions. I don't know
who's really going to respond to you, but when you
click you know, your story or your profile page, there's stats.
You know, obviously this says for me, this player has
no data. I'm assuming people that have used this or
you know, have a GG proger account, we'll have some
data there. So you know, once I bust the colossus
in the first level, that's probably going to say zero
from one. It's got my first story. But then the
third tab staking you know, it says my staking well
has a typo there, but staking statics. I'm assuming that's
supposed to be statistics. But it also has my purchase history.
And I think that's kind of interesting that you know
this is going to be kind of public. I'm not
sure what the the general public is going to think
of that.
Speaker 1: Will that all be public?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm assuming you can. Well, let's check.
Let's see if we can access someone else's story. Well,
I guess you know, whether it's okay, I'm looking at
this person. Yep, I clicked on t con two four.
He has a story that says will Stacks be blinded off?
He's got a response there from someone kep Math should
be in this app responding to everybody. But if I
click staking, it says no staking information.
Speaker 1: Nowhere are you looking? By the way?
Speaker 2: Okay, so are you on the app? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I click on my profile, click.
Speaker 2: On your profile, then click on my story. Got it,
and then you'll see the three tabs. Now, that person
I just clicked on maybe he's never bought anything on
poker Steak or that maybe it is public. But I'm
just that's that's interesting, whether it's whether it is public's
pretty cool or if it's just private. I guess we'll
find out as the kind of series kicks off.
Speaker 1: Also, you would you would think that the the stats
tab they would just populated with all like past data, right,
I mean, now that you own the WSB brand, right,
you should you should just basically import that data, yeah,
and then you have it all there. So like if
I were to go into let's say, Daniel lagron Is,
I could see, like, you know, he's got seven bracelets,
he's won this many millions, you know, this many cash is,
like all all that sort of stuff. I think you
would you would put that in there butt you know,
maybe that's one of those like this is version one
of the app, you know, where you're going to get
version you know two, whatever, et cetera. It's going to
go like that. So so yeah, I also wonder if
I mean, you mentioned the story section, you know, and
it prompts you in here it says, how's the tournament going?
Is this going to be similar to like the Poker
News my stack where can you can I enter just
like just my chip count? And then it feeds into
let's say the WSP dot com reporting. You know how
is that going to work? You know, you and I
have both heard that they're exploring talking to different reporters.
So is the plan to ultimately take all the reporting
in house? I mean, how is that going to work?
You know, it's it's definitely there's a lot of like
breadcrumbs that are out there.
Speaker 2: I don't think you've got to do your your chip counts,
but I think it's more they want kind of people
posting in a way my stack, but like without the
chip count so posting questions, posting photos, you know, generating
a bit of kind of content through the app, and
like you can already see if you kind of you know,
there's hashtags. There's for different events, as there's an overall
WSP hashtag. You know, there's people can kind of browse
the feed. You know, the post I had last week
has a couple of thumbs up, a couple thumbs down.
Quite rude. But I think that's kind of the goal.
Whether we can put in counts, I'm not sure is
good because I think, you know, we've both experienced firsthand
the issues of my stack abuse.
Speaker 1: And I think my stack is goaded.
Speaker 2: No, I do too, But like I guess the only
issue with my stack. Is is the abuse and you know,
being able to put yourself at a million chips in
the first level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think the abuse has actually been nullified,
Like it's not really a thing anymore. I mean only
was a thing for sure, But I think it's gotten
much better now, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.
But yeah, I mean I clicked this little story's button.
There's a whole bunch of people in They're asking questions
or they're just chatting or whatever the heck. I mean,
it's essentially like a Twitter feed, but within this app.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna see if I can tag a play
I'm gonna I'm gonna make a post right now. I mean,
I also I can tag, Oh, I can tag players?
Can I tag you? What's your name on this? Donald?
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. So I go into my profile
and at the top left, I'm g g six space AJJ.
Speaker 2: Okay, how many hell is that? Okay, mine's Timothy Duckworth.
So how many ratification steps have you done?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So if I click on that, it says this
is it says what is this idea? You must be
a registered WSP player to participate in all wa Spy
related competitions whatever, Like you know, the idea is the
wsp player ID automatically generated when signing up for the app.
But what's interesting is I mean, I feel like they
should have my stuff on file because if I go
to my story and then I click my staking, like,
I have a whole bunch of staking stats from my
time on poker Steak, like events sold one oh two,
number of investors six seventy three, current available steaking seven,
So like, you know, I have a bunch of stuff
in there. So I feel like this should already just
be tied in. I also don't like, and this is
also something that I didn't like with poker Steak is
that when you do sign in with your your GG pass,
it gives me at least my name that I have
on the club gg app, which is Daisy Duke, which
is after my dogs. But like, why why can't it
be Why shouldn't it be a photo of me and
my name?
Speaker 2: It is? That's what mine is, minds me and a
cowboy hat and my.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine, mine's mind's the picture of a dog and
it's a Daisy Duke.
Speaker 2: Go to profile that you can have display name or nickname.
Nickname would be Daisy Duke. Real name would be Don Repeats,
And you can change the photo right there, and I
changed the photo. I went to my display name because
I'm assuming when let's say we both play the mistream millions, right,
mine would say have a photo of me and have
Timothy Duck with you, alas would have a picture of
a dog and Daisy Duke. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it should just default to real name.
Speaker 2: I think it should, but maybe there's maybe some legal
reasons why it's you can get to choose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever, legal All right, we've done enough going through
this app. But I mean you guys should do basically
what Tim and I just did is play around with it.
That way, you familiarize yourself with the app. You're ready
to go for the summer. The more people that you
know are up to speed with how the app operates
and all that already have it on their phone, et cetera,
the faster the entire summer process is going to go
for everyone. So my recommendation is to get the app,
play around with it a little bit. Of course, if
you have any questions. I mean, he gets blown up
a lot, but probably hit up keV Math on Twitter
or just you know dump it in the app app,
as is evidence by the fact that there are a
lot of questions in the app already. That's another thing,
by the way, they should they definitely.
Speaker 2: Need a dedicated support.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there needs to be somebody in this
app NonStop responding to these questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's just like basically every time it
comes in, you know, a ticket needs to go through
to whoever or somebody is just constantly in the app
just you know, firing stuff away obviously. I mean that
could be Kevi Math, yes, but it also should not
be Kevi Math because he's doing a business business.
Speaker 2: I've seen I clicked a random story, I've seen him
responding to someone's question. So he's in the app, but
he is answering questions. Shout out to Kevi Math for
double duty Twitter and WSPS.
Speaker 1: He should have an increased salary. I would hope if
he's doing this and that keeping with the WSP, there
are a couple of tournament rules that are new slash
updated for twenty twenty five that we just wanted to
hit on. The one that's being talked about the most
is the one that has to do with electronic devices
and what they're doing. How about this, I'll just read
the rule, okay, and then we'll discuss. So, once participants
have reached the final three tables in any tournament, all
approved electronic devices must be removed. An announcement will be
made to participants once they have reached the final three
tables to remove all such electronic devices. Failure to do
so will result in penalties up to and including disqualification.
So this could be twenty seven players left, This can
be twenty four players left, twenty one players left. It
just depends what the tournament is, and then you're going
to have to be electronic device less going forward. I
find this a little bit interesting. I mean, on the surface,
maybe it's a good thing, but I don't know. Like
part of me is like, if you're if you're promoting
people play all these WACIP online events, then what happens
if somebody also makes the final three tables of a
tournament while they're doing that? Yes, that is one thing.
Another thing is like I just feel like, so, for example,
are we gonna lose Daniel and the grandeou vlogs if
he makes the final three tables of an event.
Speaker 2: It's him, They're gonna let me.
Speaker 1: But okay, but that's okay. That's a separate issue, is that,
you know, doing something for something something for somebody else.
I just feel like, I feel like this issue would
be better solved if you just had dedicated floor person
for the final three tables of a tournament, and then
that person can essentially watch things, you know, like just
make sure that people aren't on their phones on you know,
the different solver apps or whatever the it is, you know,
because that's what that's what this is geared towards, you know,
getting rid of right. So so yeah, I don't know.
I feel like I still do feel like there is
a bit of an overreaction from what happened at the
Spin Event final table last summer with Jonathan Tomayo and
Dominic Niche with the laptop on the rail sort of stuff.
And I just I don't know, I don't I don't
fully get it, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's good to they're trying to
protect everybody, they're trying to protect players, completely get it.
I think it's fine. We do some of this stuff
in the studio, but the difference between the studio and
the World Series of Poker is that it's our environment.
We control everything, and it's much easier for us to
execute World Series. We're gonna have three you know, we're
gonna have a tournament plane down at three tables. It's
gonna be over in say the gold section. There's another table,
you know, on the main stage. There's three of those.
You know that who's taking the phones? Where we're putting
the phones. There's a safety issue here with you know,
people being able to access other people's devices, or are
they going to just let the players kind of keep
them in their pockets.
Speaker 1: Probably just keep them in their pockets. I would guess
yea put out, it's just whatever.
Speaker 2: So then the other issue is obviously you have you know,
people vlogging, you know, you have people. I just think
it's going to be hard to manage. I think the
motivation behind it is fine. How efficient or how effective
the rule will be will be kind of a bit
more up for discussion. Obviously, when we do film feature tables,
we do take the phones, but that's from a couse
of medic reason than anything.
Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting, just from a macro standpoint
that everything in society has trained us to be on
our phones like mobile first, right, including things like basically
plus app, you know, doing the poker news my Stack app,
and doing the live reporting like all that sort of stuff, right,
you know, playing w CB dot com events on your
phone on mobile, Like everything is is geared towards we
are a mobile first society. So what I'm getting at
is like I think people are just naturally going to
pull their phones out of their pockets because that's just
how they're They're like trained, like that's that you know,
you just pull it out. You don't even realize that
you just pulled it up, right exactly, Like I mean,
can't you do things like if this is obviously geared
towards the whole solver thing and using those sorts of
programs and whatnot to gain an advantage? I mean, can't
you just like geo blockgto wizard dot com.
Speaker 2: I'm just going.
Speaker 1: To have an app like you have to go to
actual gto Wizard dot com Like that's how it works.
So like, can't you just geoblock that website for in
the Horseshoe and Paris?
Speaker 2: So yes, But here's the other issue, And I kind
of had a long discussion with some of that plays
about it is that, you know, if we're talking about cheating, obviously,
the first way you cheat is okay. The second way
you cheat is you're looking at these apps while playing poker. Okay,
so that's easy to outlaw you just no phones, et cetera.
But then, well, are we taking away Apple watches too?
The other part is that, okay, we're not taking away
Apple watches or garment watches or any other smart device.
You got those metaglasses. Now, how about you know you
can still receive texts, you know, like people can text
you charts or text you yes or no answers, So
you know, you can step away from the table and
say something like, you know, ace ten cut off seventeen
bigs seven handed to your friend or your coach, who
can then go access gtr wizard or whatever. You know,
however they're looking whatever charts they're looking at, and just
send you a text back that just says fold twenty
eight percent. Right? Isn't that technically also cheating? I would
say yes. So it's like, where do we draw this
line with how to kind of protect and outlaw certain
devices or certain things. And it's tough. I think it's
way too It's way more complicated than people really want
to think about. You know, they've just kind of slapped
this rule up and think that covers everything. But I
don't really think it does. And so for us in
the studio, I'm kind of and I'm not the only one,
like Paul, like the IRA people are also just kind
of hands off because there's too much to this. There's
too many levels to what players can do or what
they really want to do if they had to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also just I mean, maybe I'm just
a complete idiot and I'm naive, but I feel like
I've been around enough poker, I've played enough poker that
I just don't think solvers are actually an issue. Like
I mean, I don't, like, I like, no one is.
I have I have yet to see someone. I mean, listen,
if somebody is on a solver in the middle of
a hand at the WSP or at any tournament, Okay,
I totally get it, but like that's the most obvious
thing because they have to like have their phone in
their hand, which is you can't have your phone in
your hand when you have a lot anyway, Like it
doesn't matter if you have a solver open, or if
you're you know, talking to your wife about what dinner
is later tonight, like it doesn't matter, you know, So
like that is I think that solves that rule. Now,
if somebody wants to look at a solver like in
the middle of like after they fold a hand, how
is that any different than when a golfer shoots a
t shot and then discusses with his caddy what he's
gonna do on the next shot, or gets up to
the green and he spends fifteen minutes, you know, trying
to look at the lay of the land to see
how the ball is going to roll, and talking with
his caddy and all this sort of like how like well,
like I just I don't I don't really see that.
I don't see the solver stuff as an issue. Now, Listen,
there are other ways to get advantages, there are other
ways to cheat, like that sort of stuff I understand,
and that sort of stuff, of course needs to be
addressed and ruled out. But as it pertains to the
actual solvers, I don't know. I still personally feel like
all of this and it's not just the WS beast off,
it's everywhere. It's just a bit of an overreaction to
the stuff that happened with Tomaiyo and Dominic Niche, Like,
I mean, what does it matter if like you're sitting
across the table from me and you're looking at what
to do with your ten big lines? I mean, like
I don't necessarily maybe I just don't care that much
about like what people are doing. And if I and
I've been in a spot, you know, a couple of
years ago, I remember pretty distinctly, I was playing the Colossus.
This was like maybe the first year it moved a horseshoe,
and the guy on my direct left was looking at
a solver and this was obviously before all the solver
stuff like really became like a hot issue, and he
kept looking at it between hands. So in my mind,
I'm just like, Okay, I have a decent idea of
how these solvers operate because I look at them and
try and study them. So I now know how this
guy's gonna play. Like, so I know that he's got
eighteen big blinds over there. If he three bet jams
on me, his range is going to be probably pretty
confined to X because he's just looking at a solver
versus like if I'm looking at some guy who you know,
just got off the horse rode in from Texas, shout
out to all the cowboys out there, yourself included. Like
you know, I mean, that guy could be shoving with
you know, King Douce Off because he just looks at
me and says, this kid doesn't have it, like you know.
So it's like, you know, I feel like it kind
of goes both ways. I don't know. I just I
feel like one side of the entire community wants to
make poker like this, this elite mind sport. But then
the other side of the community is like, no, you
can't have the things that make it this elite mind sport.
It needs to just be a peer to peer game.
I don't know. Maybe I'm just the idiot on an
island here and I'm just you know, I.
Speaker 2: Think we should want everyone to get better. I think,
you know, I think it helps the industry. I can
see the arguments to it not helping the industry, but
you know, people getting better, I think they're going to
play more, events will keep growing, prize schools will keep
going bigger. So I don't think we should be opposed
to people wanting to improve, just like an athlete wanting
to get uh, you know, a running coach or wanting
to get a strength and conditioning coach. This is kind
of a version of that.
Speaker 1: I also think along those lines that it's the way
that we've as I'm talking like we as a community
have gone about this entire issue. It's almost like when
you see someone looking at a solver in a tournament,
you're like, oh, that guy's a cheater. Like, no, he's
not a cheater, Like he's he's he's Like it's like
if you said this athlete is is going to do
the bench press, you know, or he's doing some squats
because he wants to like get better little lower by strength,
Like no, in his in his downtime or whatever, He's
not that's a cheating, Like, it's just he can actively
working to get better. So like, don't don't classify these
people as as cheats, which I think it's just very
easy to to give that sort of characterization and that's
not that's not how this should be.
Speaker 2: Everyone. The thing is everyone has access to gto wizard.
They can go you know.
Speaker 1: Can I just say one thing quickly? I know and
it's not just now I'm just you. You said it,
so I'm gonna bring it up. It's we always default
to gto Wizard. I think everyone does that, but it's
it's not just gto Wizard. There are I'm always about there,
so you know, it's it's not just like.
Speaker 2: So everyone can access off to the.
Speaker 1: First of all, apologies on behalf of the community, the
gto Wizard, because I feel like they catch the brunt
of a lot of this stuff because people are just
like gto Wizard, G Wizard, GT Wizard when we should
just say like solvers.
Speaker 2: Solvers, Yeah, solvers, chots, whatever it is. Everyone has the
access to these. They can pay the subscription, pay the membership,
whatever it is. You just have to put in the
time yourself to to understand how to use it. Now,
we've talked about poker and how you spend a lot
of time trying to get better at poker. Me the
complete opposite. Don't want to spend my time looking at charts.
And I'm not going to really judge anyone for doing
that because that's my decision. If I really really cared
about getting better and wanting to be some high stakes hero,
I would spend the time looking at charts and understanding
this stuff, but I don't. But everyone has equal chance.
It's not like gto Wizard or op to Pipoker or
run at Once is captive a certain amount of users.
Anyone can go sign up to these sites. So just
like anyone go lift a you know, lift a dumbella
running outside.
Speaker 1: Going back to what we talked about the beginning of
the episode Ozzie Rules Football, I know you have obviously
taken a lot of like prioritization with your health and fitness.
Anyone can do that when they go to play Ozzie
Rules Football. People shouldn't show up to Ozzie Rules Football
on Sunday or whatever the heck it is and be like, oh,
Tim's cheating because he just bought a sauna and he
has a personal trainer, and he has all this gym
equipment and whatever. Like you said, everyone has access to
that if you want to do that, like and just
because Tim does that and now can outperform you on
the field, doesn't mean Tim is now cheating. Like I
just I just find it again a little bit weird
that you know, we want poker to like grow and whatever,
yet we just we kind of like we have these
opposing things working against one another. Again, you know, poker
is commonly equated to golf. Golf has caddies and you're
constantly talking with your caddy in between shots and trying
to figure stuff out and get tips and whatever. You know,
Like on in regular sports, you have coaches who are
helping you and talking to you and possibly calling time
out and you know, being like, hey do this do that?
Drawing stuff up on a board. Like you know, in football,
the quarterback gets off the field and goes over and
he's either looking at a tablet immediately or he's looking
at printed pieces of paper that show what the defense
was doing. Like, so, I don't know. I just don't
think that the solver issue is really that big of
an issue in live poker, you know, again, in the
middle of a hand, like if I'm like pulling up
my phone on the turn saying like, hey, this guy
just bet twenty five percent, what do I do with
this hand? I get it. That's completely not allowed. But
that's also that's not allowed anyway, because you can't have
your phone out period, like when you're doing that. So
I don't know. Now you want to talk about online poker,
completely different universe, and I think that stuff is much
more important to be addressed there, Like it's just rampant
in terms of what everything is happening now live. I
don't know, I just personally don't really see it that
often in terms of it being a very bad thing.
And again maybe I'm just a total idiot. And but
just listen, don't have your phones out with three tables
left in a tournament at the divsp'. That's the gist
of this, bringing it back full circle. I also wonder,
is I don't I didn't see it in the rules
or maybe maybe I just missed it because I was
kind of just skimming them. But is is this one
of those things where you can like get up and
move to Like if I want to get on the phone,
can I like walk to somewhere?
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you can like step away from the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm just I know that I know that
they have a similar rule, if not the exact same
rule at WIN when you get down to the final
three tables, like you can have your phone, but you
can like get up and like go to the aisle
or whatever, you know, and then use your phone. You
know that sort of thing. So I just find that's
that interesting or what I'm assuming that would can Can.
Speaker 2: I listen to music?
Speaker 1: I would guess no.
Speaker 2: If but if my phone's away, right, I'm not touching
my phone, I can still listen to music.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, But I mean that's going to.
Speaker 2: Be an issue because some people like need something in
the ear and so that's just too bad.
Speaker 1: I actually think that like having headphones in is probably
an easier way to do something nefarious than having your
phone out. How do I if you have your iPods in,
your ear pods in, how do how do I know
you're actually listening to the music in your pocket or
you're not just talking to some guy upstairs or on
the rail, or like how do I know that? Like
that's different?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, like you can just be on mute,
right or you know, yeah, or someone's talking to me
or I'm on a FaceTime call. I think the biggest issue,
and we've seen it a little bit in our studio
and I'm wondering how to affect the World series is
these new the new metaglasses that people wear where you
can scan food and you can I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't think those should be allowed either.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the capabilities aren't, you know, you know,
not to put anyone on the spot. Dane or Groundo
has a pair he was using by the studio, but
more for fun. He was like, how many calories is
in this bag of nuts? And you know he he
I think he brought up himself. He can correct me
if I'm wrong that. You know, these could be an issue,
but he bought them for obviously, not to cheat them
to like his life. And you know, I've seen other
people wear them. I've seen some media people in the
poker industry have a pair. I think they're kind of cool.
I don't wear glasses, so it's not something I'm going
to spend. Who knows how much they cost on. But
that's I think the more of an issue than anything,
because you know, you can I think you can bring
up charts and videos on the screen so only you
can see it. No one else could tell that. You know,
you're watching something or looking at a chart or a
solver or whatever. I think that's something to really watch
out for and kind of keep your eyes on in
the punt going forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would specifically ban those those types
of glasses. I don't think that they should be allowed.
You know. Now I know somebody who has them might
be like, well, they can just be sunglasses if I
just turn them off. Well, you know, I'm not chattering those,
you know any sort of like I mean smart classes
is that what they're called. I don't even know, but
those I would for sure just put like a one
hundred percent ban on those. I would also I do
like banning you know, headsets and and you know, music
devices and stuff like that, you know, because again I
don't necessarily know what's what's in them. You know what
if you just make a track that's literally just you
talking about tournament ranges on reports.
Speaker 2: Oh think of that. Yes, that is actually and.
Speaker 1: That's like you know that could happen. Yeah, So it's
like it's like that's just ridiculous. So I would just
again like you have to like there are certain things
that yes, I think you're just like this is all
banned over here, like you can't you can't use this,
this and this like end of story, see you later.
Like that's just how it is. And if you're somebody
who you know, I would even go as far to
say like okay, like let's say somebody shows up with
those metaclasses and they are ultimately it's final three tables,
So they're on a feature table. Let's say, and they say, well,
I have this eye thing, I need sunglasses and whatever.
If I'm the operator, I have like like when you
go to a nice restaurant and you're supposed to wear
a coat, but you don't have a coat, they go
pull a coat out of the back and they say,
put this on. You know, so I would have a
bunch of glasses, you know. They would they would probably
be just those cheap sunglasses and they would have they
would have doubicippy on the side, and I would say, here,
you can wear these if the light bothers you, like,
you know, like that sort of thing, like because that's
what I don't want people to like make that claim. Well,
you know, medically I have to wear these glasses or
the light bothers me or whatever, Like, Okay, here's some glasses.
Have fun. You're not wearing these, Like you're not wearing
the ones with the camera on the side that's just
not happening, or the glasses that have the the audio earbuddets.
You're also not wearing those, you know. So I think
all that stuff. I'm fine with, like totally banning that,
I get it, you know, But I think the phone
thing is like kind of like, I mean, I don't know. Again,
it's maybe this is just me being naive. I just
don't personally see it, or maybe I just don't necessarily
care as much about somebody being on a solver. And
and I also kind of think that that thought is
shared with a fair amount of the high stakes community.
Again because in the studio, like, huh, we don't we
don't say no, you can't look at a solver. All
these everyone in the studio knows you could possibly look
at a solver. Now, of course you can't do it
in the middle of the hand. We totally get it.
But like, you know, like so I just find that interesting.
So again, it's one of those things where this rule
is now on paper. We're gonna have to see how
it plays out. I'm guessing though it's it's probably pretty
good overall, both from policing it on the operator side
and then also from the players side, because so much
was made of the the Jonathan Tomiow and Dominic Niche
thing at the WSP Main Event final table. You know, again,
that was the biggest stage to actually have that happen on.
So I think a lot of people are gonna kind
of just not do it anyway. You know, They're going
to be like, I don't want to be that guy.
I don't want to get called out, you know, I
don't want to be decued, you know, I don't want
to have a penalty whatever it may be. Now, this
next rule though, this one' let's go baby. A participant
who intentionally dodges his or her blinds when moving from
an existing seat must forfeit both blinds and the big
bine ante if applicable, and will receive a one round penalty.
Give these people a seven round penalty for all I care.
These people are the worst of the worst.
Speaker 2: Wait did the blinds go though? Is it a splash
pot or put it in the pot?
Speaker 1: Who cares? I mean maybe they just take them off
the table. I don't know, But who I don't care
where it goes. That person does not get them. It's
it's ridiculous when you see these people walking around like
with their head up, acting confused, and you're like, bro,
your table is right okay, or your table is here
and I'm sitting at it sit your ass down and
let's I.
Speaker 2: Find the funniest one is when someone has like who
comes up to a full table and they're like, what
table numbers this? I'm like, buddy, there's no seat here,
just like, yeah, are they are?
Speaker 1: They are? They come up to that table and they say, hey,
what table numbers this? And then they they like they
come up. Let's say the table's four, and the dealers
like table four, and the guy has like card sixty four,
and then he goes to the next table. What table's
number is this? Bro? You have sixty four? We just
told you it's four. It's probably on the opposite side
of the room, Like, what what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I guess my first question is, yeah,
what happens with the blinds that should be in the rule?
Should are they? Are they removed from the tournament? Or
they made as a splash pot? If they're a splash pot,
think about it. You see someone walking around and you're
on the bottom with aces, right, you're gonna just call
the floor up and be like, hey, he's at this table.
Speaker 1: I would as soon it be like the next hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then like if you have a good hand
or you have a bandhand. You probably want to you know,
there's there's some you can do some finagling with that pot.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I know, I know you like to
get into specifics and details more than I do. I'm
I'm just happy that that this rule is on the
books and people can look at it and say, no,
your ass was walking around the tournament area clearly trying
to miss blinds, like let's go, like, let's let's figure
this out.
Speaker 2: And I get Look, I get it, I've gotten I
mean I got loss at nap t trying to find
my table because it was in it. We're in one
section of the room, and the one table on the
other side of like the the you know, the little
carridors they put in was my table, and bloody you've
took in. Jeremy Becka's like, are you blind dodging and like, no,
I honestly don't know where my hell my table is
and it was on the other side of the room,
which made no sense. So I get it. It is hot,
but you don't go to you can tell when someone's
dodging blinds. You know they're going to every table they're
going to.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you can just you can count your face
and you just like this guy is for sure dodging
the blinds, like you know, you know what's happening.
Speaker 2: And I mean, like, yeah, it's annoying so many people
do it. It's at least this is good. This is
a Maybe one round penalty is not enough. Maybe forfeiting
both blinds is not enough. Maybe it should be worse.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm I'm for having this rule. I'm
for actually enforcing it. I think these people are just
the worst, you know, trying to get this ridiculous advantage.
Just go to the next damn table, pay the blinds.
I mean, it happens, you know. Like I would also
add that, you know, even even before this this rule,
because oftentimes this happens because a table broke. If you're
caught stalling at a table that's about to break because
you don't want to pay the blinds, you should also
get a penalty.
Speaker 2: Look, I've done that. You should It's it's like stolen
to get to the money. Okay, it's not.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. If it's day one a of the
Colossus and you're asked a stalling no, you should be
get out of here.
Speaker 2: Ok.
Speaker 1: Not not if it's a four and you're looking at
a seven thousand dollars prize jump on a four dollars buying. Okay, understandable,
I get it. That's within the strategy of what's going
on here.
Speaker 2: There is an installing and it's only really acceptable closing
in on the money pay jumps, and to a degree,
if you have like sub ten big blinds or something
and you're about to get a table breaks.
Speaker 1: I actually have a question. This brings something up. So
I know some places I would say chief among them
is the studio. Is that when you get down to
a certain time on the clock five minutes left right,
they pause the clock and they draw for hands so
that people can't stall for the next blind jump. Whatever.
What if you did that for table breaks? Hey, this
table's breaking next, you have two more hands to play,
like and it's just listen, it's two hands to play,
or it's whatever hands to play. That's just how it is.
But like we're not letting you be, like you come
over or it's sometimes they don't announce it, of course
because they don't want people to stall. But you see
the guy rocks up with this giant wheelbarrel of racks.
You know your table's breaking next there's no other tables around,
you know, so people you know, might play a little
bit slower whatever. But what if the floor person just
be hey, three hands, that's what we're doing, don't I.
Speaker 2: Think it should just be random table break? Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you really do? Can you really do random
table break at the wsh A P like let's say
losses when.
Speaker 2: There's no under tables. Once you're in the money, you
can get to a point where you can start doing it.
Now do I want to do it with sixty tables left? No?
But you could expand to say ten tables.
Speaker 1: Sure, But that's but that's where I'm saying. Before that,
could you do you go up to a table and
you you just high card at the table, Hey one
through four, pick a number of hands, let's go.
Speaker 2: I mean that number. I don't know if it's that
vital that like early on in a colossus. I think
it matters more later.
Speaker 1: In the I mean, listen on the on the the
prioritization total poll, it's probably very low. But what I'll
say is that if you're trying to improve everything, this
is something that you could that could potentially be improved. Sure,
so you know, you go up to the batch of
tables that you're about to break, you draw, you say, okay, guys,
you're playing three more hands, don't stall, like, let's let's go,
you know, let's make this happen. And I think that
that could could could work, you know. So those those
are the rules mainly, but the most important rule, of
course is what we hit on first basby plus app
get it, you're gonna need it. Let's go. All right,
twenty five K fantasy is back, baby, and at least
I am hopefully in it once again. And I say
hopefully because I have to sell action. I don't play.
If I don't sell action, I'm not going to put
up the whole twenty five K myself. That's just not
how this works. We do have a listing posted on
poker Steak. It's Team dp m D because I will
be drafting with friend of the pod Mickey Doft. We've
already been deep into our research for a couple of
weeks now. I'm just kind of trying to do a
little bit every single day, so that stuff is happening.
If you want a piece of the team, no markup,
of course, never any markup. You can head on over
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it's Team DPMD shares are as low as twenty five dollars.
And then I mean, if I listen, if I know
you personally and we've talked in the past, feel free
to DM me and we can do something on the side.
But of course it's a bit easier if we can
just do everything through poker Steak as much as possible.
So would love for everyone to be able to get
into the mix and sweat along. Again, if we don't
sell out, we won't be in. And something I've also
said is that the year that I don't sell to
get in is the year I'm done doing it. I mean,
I just think, you know, it's like it's like, Okay,
the run is ended. I'm just gonna move on with
my life. There are two rule changes this year, kind
of small but notable. So one thing that they're gonna
do is for anyone who wins a bracelet, you're gonna
get a twenty five point bonus, So it boosts up
that first place points total a bit more.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's a ten k event, first place would
be one hundred points. With the old rules, first place
to be one hundred, second place to be ninety, third
place to be eighty, et cetera. So you know, the
jump from like second to first, isn't that meaningful. I mean,
it's good to have the additional ten points, yes, but
it's not really that much. Now this year it'd be
ninety to one twenty five, so winning like actually matters
much more, so that's good. The other rule change is
that so they had the field size bonus was capped
at eighty one players, the final eighty one players for
events that were less than one thousand dollars. This year,
it's going to be events that are fifteen hundred or less.
So that includes things like the Mystery Millions, you know,
which had a massive field bonus last year. It'll include
things I think like the Monster Stack, the Millionaire Maker,
that sort of stuff. I would guess those are also
included in there. Just need to I just need to
verify I guess if it's if it's fifteen hundred and
lower or fifteen or lower than fifteen hundred. Just need
to kind of clarify that. But either way, it's going
to include a few more events for that field bones
not that the field bonus won't be big. It's just
going to be harder to achieve because it'll be a
fewer spots. It'll be capped at the final eighty one entries.
So we got that. I know you bought a piece,
so you're aided, of course. I mean, listen, we won
the thing two years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you better win it this year.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping. I'm really hoping. You know, last year I
felt like we had some unfortunate spots, I would say.
I mean, listen, obviously everyone knows we drafted Daniel last year.
Everyone knows the stuff he goes through because he puts
it on the vlog every single day. And he got
just in a lot of spots deep in tournaments, which
you know sucked. And then the other one was, you know,
Sean Winter. I thought got afft a lot deep in tournaments.
You know, most notably was the two hundred and fifty
K when he had Kings versus Taylor von Kreigenberg's Queens,
and that was for a ton of chips with like
two tables left or something, maybe even the final time
I can't remember exactly, but yeah, I mean that would
have been absolutely massive, massive, massive for us, but you know,
such as life. But you know there are fewer things
I find as fun as fantasy poker all somewhere along.
So if you want to join along again, you can
head on over to poker steak dot com. You can
find our listing, or you can look at my Twitter page.
I've been posting about it with the listening there again,
if I know you personally, if we've you know, done
some deals or whatever in the past, or maybe you've
bought some action, I don't know, but just you know,
you can hit me up with a DM and we
can do things that way. But it should be fun.
Poker Goo will be streaming the draft once again. It
will be on what is it Tuesday, May twenty seventh.
Speaker 2: Yep, a one o'clock.
Speaker 1: I think one o'clock. It'll be on the poker Go
YouTube channel in addition to poker Go, so you guys
can check that out. Are you back as auctioneer?
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's my call. I think that's
a miss Daniel Groner's decision.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, has he talked to you?
Speaker 2: He hasn't. Maybe I'm out. Wow, I may the replace him?
Speaker 1: Know you should do? Is you should send him a
photo of your haircut and you'll be back there.
Speaker 2: You know, that might actually definitely force me out.
Speaker 1: So that I think you're in. So so yeah, twenty
five k fantasy. Let's go. Hopefully we get back in there.
We sell the action that we need to if you
want to sweat again, poker steak dot com action as
low as twenty five buckeroos. So let's have some fun.
Let's try and win it again this year. All right,
Moving on, we got some news coming out of Florida.
Aliam Sirovich kicked out of the Run Good Poker Series
Best Bet Jacksonville main event. Now I find this a
little bit interesting. He was kicked out of the I
think it was a twelve hundred dollars buy in main
event after the dinner break on one of the day ones.
There were eighty players in the field or eighty entries
in the field total, there were thirty left, and he
was the chip leader. From what I understand, they went
on dinner break, they come back and he's gone, and
then it's confirmed that he was in fact removed from
the tournament. Now, a couple things. One, why did they
wait till the dinner break to get rid of him?
Why didn't you do this? Now, I'm not saying that
like somebody at the registration cage necessarily knows who the
heck aliam Sirovich is or everything. You know, they're you know,
they're just working away doing the thing, collecting the money,
giving you a ticket and moving on. But somebody didn't
see him in level one be like, uh, hey, like
you know you can't play. The other thing is that
he has cash is at best Bet like in November
and in January, So like, was this a run good decision?
But again, why wasn't it made earlier? Was this a
best bet decision? But then why have you been letting
him play in other events? So I'm just listen, it's
obviously what aliam Ssirovitch did and the fact that he
didn't really come clean about all the cheating allegations and whatnot,
like it doesn't help his cause in any sense. But
like I just from a venue standpoint, I'm kind of
just wondering process here, Like, I mean, if you're not
gonna let him play, then you know, don't let him play,
But are you just like I don't know because maybe
the partner said something, but I don't really understand. I
don't know, you have obviously dealt with this a little
bit more of commissioner, I mean, what are your thoughts
on this whole situation.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, the fact that he has cashes, you know,
within the last few months, shows that he's been allowed
to play obviously at Best Bet, so it seems like
it comes more from possibly run Good side of things,
which is fine, nothing against that. Maybe just hey, do
it a little earlier then dinner break, you know, while
he's chip leader. That's my only thought on that. But
you know, look, who knows. Maybe it's something completely unrelated
to Run Good you know and Best Bet. Maybe he
you know, did something on property that day that was
out of line, so you know, without the information coming
from Best Bet or run Good directly, I think we're
just kind of assuming a lot here.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I mean again, I just find it
interesting that it seems like they've been the property has
been letting him play and hasn't really had an issue
with it, because again, he does have cashes, and if
you have cashes, you're not cashing every single event, so
you're probably played a bunch of other events too. So
I just thought it was very interesting how this was
gone about. I mean, listen, if the guy's basically banned
from all of poker, I mean, I'm not gonna necessarily complain,
you know, I don't think a lot of players would,
given everything that has been alleged to go on with him.
So if that's the case, that's the case, and if
that's your stance, that's your stance. Yes, But I also
just think that, like, it doesn't seem like that's been
your stance. So I'm just I'm just kind of like, oh,
that's kind of interesting to bring up. So yeah, just
kind of wanted to mention that. And then news just
dropped today, you know, shortly before we hit the record
button that Poker Stars is postponing it's Pennsylvania Shared Liquidity.
So of course we talked about how Pennsylvania joined the
Multi State Internet Gaming Agreement with Michigan, New Jersey. I
believe it's el Aware and Nevada. Also maybe West Virginia,
but West Virginia doesn't have poker right now. Anyway, Poker
Stars is not going to be linking its platform across
the states, at least immediately. It said it did cite
global operational priorities for this, So I don't exactly know
what that means, but I'm guessing we'll find out what
that means in the coming months, maybe the coming year,
maybe even shorter than out the coming weeks. So yeah,
so that's that's interesting. I mean, I think the delay
is I would say, maybe a little bit surprising, you know,
just because I view Poker Stars as a leader in
the online poker category. You know. I know, it's obviously
things are a little bit different here in the US
because you only have a few states that are involved,
so it's not as big as rest of the world. But
the brand Poker Stars, you know, I thought would be
kind of first and foremost to doing this sort of thing.
So so yeah, I do think it's interesting. Now they
do have New Jersey and Michigan are linked those player pools,
and Poker Stars does not operate in Nevada at least currently,
so maybe it's something where they want to wait till
they get into Nevada to join. I don't know, I'm
just kind of kind of speculating, but I did find
that that a little bit interesting, and you know, kind
of big picture because you have betam JM Poker has
already done it in linked now betam JM Poker is
not in Nevada, but you know across New Jersey, Pennsylvania,
and Michigan, those pools are linked. And then you have WSOP,
which is in Nevada and now is linked with Nevada,
New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. I mean, Poker Stars. I
feel like it's just gonna fall further behind in the US,
which is not what you want to do, right you
know if especially like let's say you're in Pennsylvania, you
know you have an option to obviously, you have an
option to play on all the sites that you want. Yes,
I will tell you, as somebody who has played online
poker quite a bit, it's just easier just to have
all your funds and everything in one plays and fire
up one platform. That's just easier. Like yeah, you know,
like the true diehards and the pros will fire up
multiple sites and whatever. But a lot of people, I
think just they play where they play. You know, they
put all their money on the they're five hundred bucks,
their a thousand bucks on one site and like that's it.
And if if the biggest and best games are are
I would say Devasity first because they include Nevada, and
then second to bet MGM, doesn't Poker Stars kind of
like fall further down. So I don't know, I found
the I found the decision to be interesting. That said, again,
you know, they did say they're not immediately going to
do it, kind of like it seems like it's like
a prioritization thing. So that would tell me that there
are plans for it. Yes, So so we'll see. I
don't know, do you have any thoughts here?
Speaker 2: I think it's just I just my guess is that, yeah,
obviously there's a lot more things at the forefront for
pocus Stars around the world then the merge liquidity here
in the States. They probably also want to see how,
you know, how it works for Nevada, how it works
for you know, a bet MGM if that comes next,
and see if there are any issues before they kind
of launch into it. And yeah, I just don't think
it like like they've said, it's not a priority. Their
priorities obviously real money gaming outside of America, their tours,
and then when you come here, it's going to probably
be resorts World, the return of the napt which you know,
having this live leading into that is good for boosting
numbers and satellite qualifiers, et cetera. So maybe not a
priority now, but hopefully a priority soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I also do think you know, you
mentioned the NAPT I mean, they did say that that's
coming back, you know, similar sort of timeframe. I would
guess November, right, So, I mean I would I would
have thought that, you know, you want to link the
player pools because you want to be able to run
more qualifiers for that event. Now we all know they're
not in Nevada, yes, but this I would say, Flagship
North American event is in Nevada, So don't you want
like bigger qualification pools and satellite qualifiers and all that
sort of stuff like it Just that seems like it
would make sense. But hey, who knows, there's probably news
that that is going to come out, So we'll just
kind of keep an eye on this one and see
how it goes. But right now, you know, Poker Stars
has put out a statement saying, you know, it is
postponing the the joining of the Pennsylvania Shared Liquidity, So
just just kind of kind of flagging that one. And
then also as it relates to online poker. You got
Club WPT Goal, which is a sweepstakes poker model similar
to that that is offered by Global Poker. They are
reportedly switching from a web based platform to a downloadable client,
and they're also going to introduce multi table capabilities, So
this is interesting. Before it was web based, both on
desktop or on mobile devices, and you could only play
one table, right, Yeah, So I find it interesting because
I don't know, I feel like it's a move to
become a poker site that's geared more towards poker players,
which I don't necessarily disagree with. I'm just pointing that
out how I'm kind of thinking about things. But when
you start offering things like multi tables, and you know,
doing that via a downloadable client, I feel like that's
going to benefit more pro players, more serious players, which
then makes the site harder, which can ultimately kill off
your player pool. So it's just an interesting development, is
kind of what I'm getting at.
Speaker 2: So so we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean I think people kind of thought, okay, like
you know, Club WPT Gold is probably fairly soft right now,
and does this mean that it's only going to get harder?
And then if it gets harder. Does the player pool shrink?
And if the player pool shrinks but they want to
keep the same revenue, do they then have to increase rake?
Like that's just a big picture, Like how does this
all play out? I mean, I would I'm not going
to be against being able to play multiple tables on
Club WBT Gold. Yes, but like you know, is that
is that ultimately going to be a positive or negative?
You know, I don't know. I guess we'll wait to
see how it plays out. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of agree with everything you said there.
I think they're still trying to figure out exactly what
they're trying to do, you know, different types of promotions.
You know, they have their big promotion coming up during
the summer. But yeah, like it's it's kind of hard
to gauge their strategic goal. But yeah, definitely leaning into
more being poker player friendly than anything, especially with you know,
having done polk having you know, Ethan Yall involved, Like
more poker player than none.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, another thing like the Poker Stars news.
You know, Well, we'll see how this one goes.
Speaker 2: All right.
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