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at you with the one, the Only, my certified fantabulous

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co host, mister Grant Hughes. It is live mail bag time.

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Our first mail bag of the season. Took us a

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third of the way through the schedule to get the one.

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bag before. We've done live shows, but maybe this is

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a first. It's the first of the season, that's for sure.

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We have lots of great questions to get to, leading

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with the existential crisis of the Golden State Warriors, to

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whom neither of us are beholden to, and then we'll

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get to some stat panning. We'll try and get through

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as many questions as we can in the next hour

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or so, and then we've got we've got loaded stat

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stat padding section. We're excited to add it up. First

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question of the day, though, Grant, how the heck are

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you doing?

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Speaker 2: As Steve Kerr said, that's uh, we're going to keep

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that in house. It's you know, it's what he say

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about the dreamland thing. It was a good answer, but

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it basically was like, we'll just we didn't say in house,

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but it was essentially like a none of your business situation.

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That's how I like to live my life. I like

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to keep all my disputes in house, or you know,

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just happy thoughts either way.

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Speaker 1: Did you So?

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Speaker 2: I was watching that game, and I don't know if

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this is a great sign. It took me a lot

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longer to notice that Draymond hadn't been in the game

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than it probably should have. Whether it was it's like

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things were going pretty well, and well, yeah, where's he been?

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Because I didn't catch the argument and the him leaving

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the bench in real time.

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Speaker 1: No, and do you assign before getting to the actual

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Warriors question that we have, do you assign any concern

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to this? I just feel as if, given all the

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things that have happened with Draymond Green, this is part

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of the Draymond Green experience, as you're going to have

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these blips, these curveballs, these antagonistic moments, and you're just

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gonna have to live with it. And maybe it's just

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harder to live with because because this isn't the Draymond

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Green that helps be your head, the same Draymond Green

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that helps be your head those four title runs.

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Speaker 2: That's the difference. Like, there there have been instances a

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lot like this and there can you imagine how many

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there have been in practice and just you know, the

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situations that we don't even know about. There have been

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so many and it's not a big deal, which is

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a weird thing to say, except for what you said

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where at some point the like the juice isn't worth

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the squeeze is like the wrong analogy, but it's something

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close to that where it's like you put up with

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all the Draymond stuff because of all the all the

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negative stuff and the headache stuff, because of all the

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good you get along with it. It's kind of it's individual.

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Draymond experiences like a total thing. But now that like,

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leading into the Orlando game, and that just people you know,

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if you've watched them regularly, they're just like egregious, like

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unthinkable turnovers, and he's you know, so he's just not

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the same player he was, which of course not like

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nobody is at that age.

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and maybe we can get to the question from Bill

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it does his decline and performance and maybe value to

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the team make it more likely that he gets traded?

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Warriors to include Draymond Green and a COMINGA slash Pods

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trade to improve the roster and give Steph a last

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chance at a playoff run? Is it too late? So?

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like is his value so low or is he such

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a tricky fit elsewhere that like he doesn't actually profile

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package with COMINGA and Pods. Is that how you're reading it,

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like the too late part of it, you know? Or

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it even worth it because you're not just giving up

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answer is no, you could still talk about trading Draymond Green.

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that attractive. And then the other element to it is, Okay, well,

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think he'll definitely have value. I don't know if you

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put him on the market that you would just get

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of what he can still do defensively on certain nights,

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and just the fact that he does have a player

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option for next season and so we're not talking about

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a long term contract, you could view him as salary

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ballast to put it, like super cruelly at that point. So,

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but if he doesn't, if he's not, if that team doesn't,

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if a team that's acquiring him isn't a help doesn't

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hume as a helpful player, Because whoever the Warriors are

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rebuilding or probably resetting, would be my guess. And Draymond's

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his late thirties a part of their plan. So if

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you're going to accept him as part of the package,

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guy or do I have hum is the avaliable, valuable

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mentor to some of the younger guys for the rest

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of the season and we revisit his value over the summer.

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because he's at what like twenty seven million or whatever

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it is the following season, He's not going to get that.

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the open market. But could he get sixteen eighteen over

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a longer period of time and he wants to lock

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down whatever money. There's so many moving parts to it.

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Speaker 2: Know, he's he's very anti Draymond trade. It would seem

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like the concept of trading him, My first thought was, well,

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who's who's got to have Draymond? You know, like, what's

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what's the team out there that's like this is this

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our operation to give something up of consequence. And it's like, well,

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this kind of defender and and like secondarily facilitator. I

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don't really know how valuable his facilitation is, like outside

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of playing with Steph, It's probably got some value, but

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do it because the way defenses cover him, like with

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the ball, he has to be a threat somehow, and

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shooting has never been that So if you put him

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what that would look like. So like, is this just

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with Aaron Gordon in those minutes.

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Speaker 1: Like the Knicks are the.

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Speaker 2: Second best offense in the league, Does he make sense

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you know, you could just go down the best offenses.

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Speaker 1: What about the Lakers just well, that.

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his true first love Lebron or something like that. I mean,

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they do need defense, is he Yeah, that's a good.

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great options, because you could, well, just so he's got

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right Like ever, so what do you do with him offensively?

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Speaker 1: Well, he's not a lob threat, but becauld you run

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Speaker 2: Feel like you'd switch everything. Yeah, I don't know, that's

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take back Paul George Like it's kaminga Draymond and whatever

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other salary and then the Sixers are sending you Paul

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really he's not been bad this year. It's moah price

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same team. What a team that is in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: I think. So that's the challenge. And so if you're

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trading Draymond Green, I don't know, there's the emotional component

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behind it, and you have to wonder if he provides

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the value in a larger package, is it worth jumping

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through that hoop or do you just think the player

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you're getting back is well, this player is such a

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good fit. We think it elevates our elevates our title ceiling. Well,

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we're using Draymond basically as salary at this point or

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the equivalent of second round picks. I just don't We've

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you need a player better than Steph Curry at this point?

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ten player, which is I just find that a little

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it's reductive. Yeah, I still struggle to find the player

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a lot better than some of the other teams that

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it's that's definitely better than the Knicks. It's better than

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start to stand out there? I think if you were

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do you think Draymond is in the Warriors' best lineups today?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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locker room after an argument? Like I think probably. I

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think the answer is still probably. So that's that's the

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threshold you have to cross if you're trading him, and

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that's eaving aside the possibility that's like Steph just says, no,

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he would say it.

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Speaker 2: I I think it depends on what you're getting. I

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think I think you would need, man, I don't know

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the situation because Clay wanted to leave right, so that

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like took all the It took Steph out of having

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to weigh in, I think, and even then he tried

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to convince him to stay right like I think, but now.

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Speaker 1: That is it sort of Dams already broke though, so

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he might there's some of that.

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Speaker 2: There's some of that, and I think, now what two

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years down the line, it's like the the finite nature

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of this seems competitive window like it's it's all the

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all the clearer now that everybody's a couple of years older, right,

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the end is way closer now than it was then.

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So maybe there's enough urgency on Steph's part to be like,

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I don't want to do this, but we gotta. And

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it's easier because we are like all three of us

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will not have you know, we won't all three be

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one career one team guys. I just it's I think

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my gut says. It's still really hard to imagine Steph

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green lighting that, and he would almost he would have

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to maybe that he would have to, right, I think.

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Speaker 1: It's for the A fine exercise would be would Steph

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think about green lighting the trade for this player.

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Speaker 2: So it would have to be a no brainer at

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that point. Anthony Davis, I think a great name. I

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think he would do it for Davis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but not a Trey Murphy or Derek White.

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Speaker 2: Then I don't know. I don't think so. I think

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it would have to be a quality of player where

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it was just like no one could hold it against him.

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Not that anyone in Golden State's ever gonna hold anything

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against Steph, but it's like if it would, it would

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feel like a betrayal of sorts because there's again like

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it's a necessary condition of a Draymond trade, like Steph

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has to say he's okay with it now.

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Speaker 1: Just asking questions here, what if the Warriors that they

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they're probably putting everything on the table, and this team decides, hey,

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we think he had we have his hair apparent or

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a big man of another big man of the future. Here,

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we don't know what our next big name that we're

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gonna be able to acquire. Who that's going to be.

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The Warriors put literally everything on the table.

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Speaker 2: Bam Adebayo, I mean, he's he might be more valuable

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than Davis if you're factoring in durability, So I mean,

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I don't, I don't know it's you. You could make

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a case, I guess if you're gonna know Brainer Anthony Davis,

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because of the availability question marks, you would have to

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do the same. Well. Davis is weird too though for

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the Warriors because he's just killed them, Like he's been

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such an unsolvable guy for several meetings and series so like,

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I mean, he seems like the bigger name in a way.

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But if you're like, who's gonna help us win in

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a sustained way, It's like, I don't know. Bam is

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pretty hard to beat, and he has like so many

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He does a lot of what Draymond does, but a

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lot of what Draymond can't. So it's like the fit

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would seem to make a ton of sense there too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what about Kawhi Leonard.

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Speaker 2: I've always kind of liked that just because I think he's,

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oh you like, well, I mean, is that kind of

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is a wild take because nobody should be that interested

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in having Kawhi, But like he's I think he's probably

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a better player than Butler is. Still, like even if

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you I like, just the ceilings higher, I mean think

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about that team you were talking about Paul George Steph

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and right, yeah, I mean that's on the Davis level probably,

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that's probably one where if that, if that was what

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was gonna happen, Steph would have to like think about it.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I think that Kawhi Leonard would do more

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for the team ceiling if everyone's healthy. But I think

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Anthony Davis might have more like future value because he's

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less of a wild card where I could see Kawhi

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Leonard is retiring at some people.

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Speaker 2: Well right, yeah, but you're in the Kawhi sweepstakes because

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it is California, Like, there can't be that many teams

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he would consider playing for. And Golden State, I imagine,

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is one that's a that's a short or short PJ

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flight back down to San Diego. So so I want

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to is it too late for the Warriors to include

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Draymond in a in a trade.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it is. I just don't

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think they will.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's too late at all. I

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think there is a question of like is it too

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late in the sense of like would it even matter?

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You know, like is he is him and whatever else?

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Enough to get this team where it wants to go. Like,

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but then that's not even a Draymond specific question. That's

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just like can this team do it right?

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Speaker 1: And that's what's so fascinating. I've asked you some variation

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of this question probably a dozen times this year, is

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that if you were to fill like throw names out

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of the equation, what is the type of player that

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makes you feel like, what is that play the what's

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the biggest thing anyone they acquire in a consolidation trade

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needs to do.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm still stuck on someone that and this

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is a superstar almost by definition, so like, okay, great,

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it's just someone that with it's got to be kind

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of with their athleticism and just individual ability, can just

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beat his guy and get into the paint and draw

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other defense like just a second, call it a secondary creator,

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but just someone that you don't need to run a

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bunch of split cuts and a bunch of handoffs and

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a bunch of this and that to get a paint

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touch to then start the offense going, you know, And

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it takes the Warriors like fifteen seconds to accomplish that

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because they don't have a beat your guy from a

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stance to player. Butler does that some, but it's foul

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griff and it's not a blowby thing. I think they

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need that kind of guy where it's just.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: That was fun when we thought maybe that that would

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be in the bag. But I think I think that's it.

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You could say more dynamic, offensive, big guy for sure,

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but I still think just someone that can make stuff

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happen offensively independent of the warriors like system, and they

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just they don't have that. Guy like Pajemski stands out

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because he cannot do that and he's like they asked,

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they need him to and it's just beyond his ability.

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Speaker 1: And the final leg of this question would be part

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of the appeal of trading Draymond is because of that

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extra salary. I don't know who's the best player that

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you could acquire without including his salary, because it's a

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struggle to I mean, you would be kind and I

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think they could get there because what's kaminga at twenty

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twenty four. They could definitely get there. But like if

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you wanted to five, if you threw everything on the table,

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because Jared Junior is at thirty five million, is that

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front core then too small? I mean him and Draymond

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Intuitive On offense, I would say, you don't have to

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worry about the Jeneral Jackson Junior's three point efficiency's always

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all over the place, but he'll take them. He's maybe

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not as athletic as you were hoping, but we saw

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mostly last season he could create from dead stops for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yep, no I had. He wasn't someone I was thinking of,

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but yeah, I mean because of the position he plays,

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any ability whatsoever to create from nothing is like super

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valuable because that's normally guard stuff, and you're sort of

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limited in the kind of you can't play another small

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guard for example, like just I don't know why he's

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not popped into my head, but like Jeremiah Fears can

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just beat his guy. He's not obviously on the table,

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but like, you can't really play a guard of that

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size next to Steph and get away with it against

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really good teams. So the guard side of that, when

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you're looking for that type of player is kind of limited.

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Whereas if it's the center, great, like, yeah, that's that's perfect.

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Speaker 1: This is an interesting comment. Video editor for Hardwood Knox

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Andrew Willett. I feel like it's size, but get the

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secondary creation that granted talking about you might need two transactions, Yeah,

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getting a creation in a big because even Anthony Davis

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I think falls short of that and that little bit.

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Could that be? The other thing is is it just

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the Warriors need two medium sized trades that you know,

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we're trying to galaxy bring this and get them a

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huge name. But if you I'm trying to think of

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what would be like a meet like a you know,

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like who's a big that's not making too much money

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that maybe you go out you take a fly er

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if you were able to get a Robert Williams and

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a freaking secondary creator.

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Speaker 2: Cole Andrews suggested in the next comment, I mean Kobe

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White is the level of of you know, if we're

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talking to trades. I don't know if if you're getting

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a d and Kobe White, but if it's Robert Williams

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or Daniel Gafford and Kobe White, you know, in two

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separate moves like that gets you pretty, that gets you closer.

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So I think what you're looking for, it's White's definitely available.

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It sounds like more. I think the report was like

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more than ever the bulls are willing.

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Speaker 1: Which is just malpractice because you should have already been available.

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He should have been long gone. Yeah, I do think

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that's even though that path feels a little more complicated,

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doesn't it maybe feel more light, It feels more likely

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than anything, is more likely than them trading Draymond, even

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if they were getting honest, I would probably just assume

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that Jimmy Butler is the outgoing South.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, maybe right, Yeah, that's that's the other

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thing is that the green lighting of that trade by

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Steph would be just like that might not even be

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one the Warriors would feel like they really needed like

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his full approval on because it's just not the same

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even though, right, Butler's a better player than green Right.

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Speaker 1: Now, that was our default question. So do you want

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to pick? You can take the first pick of the

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Now we're just get to bounce around all these great

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questions we have. Yeah, let's see here.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I'm trying to make sure we don't get too

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much overlap like topically here, Okay, let's just.

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Speaker 1: Do this one.

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Speaker 2: From Maddy l And light of all the talk about

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the Clippers potentially giving their pick to Okac, could you

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explain how pick protection works exactly in particular when we

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hear someone has the worst pick of three different teams. Also,

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how do teams go from having no picks to trades

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to having, for example, three first rounders available at the

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start of the next year.

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Uh well, I guess let's take the first part, which

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is how pick protection works.

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Speaker 1: Just take more confusing if you believe the Board of

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Governors apparently.

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Speaker 2: But well apparently, I mean that is you know, that

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is something that I did just skim what some of

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the anti tanking proposals are, and it's just the idea

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would be to limit the types of protections you can

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put on picks to either top four or top fourteen

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basically right, because at the moment you can protect anything,

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like there's sections of picks that are protected, like the

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Warriors had the Washington one, which is like it was

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protected twenty one to thirty or what was it.

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Speaker 1: It was some kind of weird twenty one to thirty,

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And so it's the more interesting part of that pick

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is still.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, which is you don't see a lot of

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those What you typically see are hey, Dan, I'm trading

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you this pick. In a trade, you will only get

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it if it falls outside of the top just let's

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use the Utah, Okay see example, because that's kind of

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top of mind. So the Jazz had to dump Derek

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Favors salary. They attached a first rounder to do that.

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Oklahoma City Opportunistic took the deal, and the Jazz have

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owed the Thunder a first rounder with protections on it

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that have changed over the last couple of years. But

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so this year. The example is if it's inside the

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top eight, the Jazz keep it. If it's ninth or worse,

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the Thunder get it, and I don't know what happens

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that usually that's the other complicating factor is like they'll

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roll over like if not conveyed. You can then condition

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different things to happen to that pick. It can be extinguished,

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it can turn into two seconds that seems to have

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been pretty popular for a while. It can turn into

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a second.

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Speaker 1: Turned into nothing. That's what turned into States does right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's right. So that's the basics of

474
00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:52,119
pick protection. I hope I'm not like over explaining.

475
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,519
Speaker 1: It's really just the it's the selected range where you

476
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,400
could get the pick. An unprotected pick is you get

477
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,759
it a first round pick, let's stick with no matter

478
00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:03,279
where it lands. They could win the lottery and get

479
00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,480
the number one pick. You get it. They could finish

480
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,279
twenty fifth, you get it. And it's that the I

481
00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:12,440
think for me at one point, what was more confusing

482
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:14,640
is how do these and I still get it wrong

483
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,079
sometimes is how do these picks all of a sudden

484
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:17,759
open up?

485
00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 2: Right? Well, that's that's the third part of the question

486
00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:25,200
is like built into the calculus here is the Stepian rule,

487
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,920
which is a team cannot basically trade or cannot be

488
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,359
without its first round pick in two consecutive drafts. Right,

489
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,599
but if you have somebody else's first does that factor?

490
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,440
I never remember it?

491
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,039
Speaker 1: Does you have to guaranteed though? So right, if it's conditional,

492
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,759
that's where you can't then trade an outright first like

493
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:46,079
the heat run into like some of this stuff, like

494
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,759
some of these issues, and that's where the conditions get confusing.

495
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,119
The oka I know I.

496
00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, so this is the example that Maddie

497
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,039
raises of, like how does the team have no picks

498
00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:57,960
and then at the start of next year suddenly there's

499
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,559
three What there's like there's simil cases. Now that's that's

500
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,759
an ex Usually it's not no picks. Usually it's like

501
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:06,640
they can trade a maximum of one, which is like

502
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,200
kind of where the Lakers are or some other teams

503
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,400
are at the moment the Bucks, and then if you

504
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,839
get to the next league year, it can be up

505
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,279
to three because one the latest down the line seven

506
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,960
years off pick that you can trade probably comes into

507
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,839
play in two. You've done something to make it so

508
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,119
that you're not violating the Stepian rule by trading three picks,

509
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,559
Like there's enough years in there to where you've got

510
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,240
alternate years being conveyed or whatever, right, Like, is that

511
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:33,759
I feel like.

512
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,279
Speaker 1: That's not Let's use the Lakers as an example. They

513
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,279
owe there twenty twenty seven and twenty twenty nine first

514
00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:44,400
which means they cannot trade what right now. As of

515
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,319
right now, they can't trade twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight,

516
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:51,240
or two thousand and thirty right, so those.

517
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: That would be two and two years in a row,

518
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,440
and you can't.

519
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: Do that, right And because you can go only seven

520
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,160
years out into the future, you have to look, that's

521
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,200
two thousand and thirty two is as far out you

522
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,079
can trade a first round pick right now, So they

523
00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:04,920
can trade thirty one or thirty two, that's the pick

524
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,920
they could trade. But what you said about the new

525
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,119
league year is once the new league year resets, you

526
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,559
can say it's the equivalent of trading a first round pick,

527
00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:15,799
because it is. But they're basically trade like on draft night,

528
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,559
they can trade this year's first round.

529
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: Pick, the guy they pick basically right that you're just

530
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,200
picking for that other team mostly or.

531
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: The right you're picking for that other team. So in

532
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,920
that scenario, because it's you're talking about a new league year,

533
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,279
they're trading their twenty twenty six first round pick. But

534
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,640
they can also once the new league year resets, trade

535
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,039
out until two thousand and thirty three, So all of

536
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:41,079
a sudden, you can trade thirty one, leave the gap

537
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,720
in thirty two, and trade thirty three. And it's something

538
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,039
similar to what the Bucks are doing is they can

539
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:49,400
only trade one first round pick right now. That becomes

540
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,599
three when factoring in this draft as you see that

541
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,720
two pick bump, because what you're effectively doing is you're

542
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,119
not trading a future first round pick anymore, you're trading

543
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,400
a current first round pick. Right. Is basically how I've

544
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,359
always defined and what teams do. And this is not

545
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,240
to confuse it further. There's no way like around it.

546
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,160
But is the swaps. It's just what we can't trade

547
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,839
you an outright first round pick. But look at that

548
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:12,000
the Bucks again when they got Drew, they traded Drew

549
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,880
Holiday for Damian Lillard. They gave Portland all of these

550
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,960
swaps because you don't you can as long it doesn't

551
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,400
have to be your own or it doesn't even like

552
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:21,640
Phoenix has traded like a swap of a swap of

553
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,799
a swap, which gets really confusing to track as well.

554
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:27,880
And so that's the part that I think is more

555
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,519
confusing than the all they could be confusing. But the

556
00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:34,319
protections are I feel like, are way more straightforward than

557
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,039
the Steppian rule gets complicated because of the way that

558
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:40,559
current first round picks are. However, you want to frame

559
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,119
what happens with the new league year.

560
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: And then last thing like how to teams or what

561
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:47,880
about when we hear that someone has the worst of

562
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,079
three picks, So that would actually apply to what is

563
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,720
it Milwaukee, Atlanta and New Orleans this coming draft, right,

564
00:26:56,319 --> 00:27:02,640
because New Orleans traded the best of its own and

565
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:07,039
Milwaukee's twenty six first to Atlanta in that Draft night trade.

566
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,920
So Atlanta gets the best of those three, No just

567
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,200
gets the best of those two, right, right, So.

568
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,839
Speaker 1: It would just be let's just say you're owed, because

569
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,039
it happens a lot with second round picks or something

570
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,119
too is Well, let's say Oklahoma City is going to

571
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:27,440
get the most favorable pick from Philly, Los Angeles, or Utah.

572
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:31,119
So most favorable would be who has the highest pick,

573
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:35,559
which which is effectively of Utah is tenth and Philly

574
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:39,759
is sixteenth and Los Angeles is first. They get los

575
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:42,400
Angeles because that was ranked highest with first, and if

576
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,519
it's the worst, they would get Philly finished the sixteenth

577
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:50,200
in that scenario. So that what's interesting with those is

578
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,960
I don't know if they come into play nearly as often.

579
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:58,559
Just it's it that that's like you need to have

580
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,839
an embarrassed you need to It feels like have an

581
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,759
embarrassment of riches already to even like offer those types

582
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:05,680
of paths, Like you need to write multiple first round

583
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,039
picks in the clip to even offer that type of package.

584
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:11,039
Speaker 2: Well, I do think too, like if this is confusing,

585
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,200
like I get it, because I feel like we are

586
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:19,960
at peak complicated pick protection and like obligation status right now,

587
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:23,200
which is got partly in addition to curbing tanking. It's

588
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,880
got to be why the league is looking at like

589
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:28,480
we gotta we gotta simplify this process because like it's

590
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:31,759
an interesting it's like it's worth knowing, right, Like if

591
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:35,160
your team, Oh, everybody loves the trade market, right, that's

592
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,000
that's all everybody wants to talk about. It's like, well,

593
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,359
you got to know what your team's pick situation is.

594
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,960
And it's like even for fans of one team, it's

595
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,680
like it can be very complicated. So just because teams

596
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:48,000
I don't know have gotten create like the swaps of

597
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:50,359
swaps and the phoenix of it all, and like there's

598
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,319
so many encumbrances at the moment that I get it.

599
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: If it's if it seems like just.

600
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:57,519
Speaker 2: I don't know, like an advanced math class or so

601
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,680
like an advanced logic class or something where you just

602
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,160
have to juggle several ideas.

603
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: It easier. Yeah, I hope it was probably a journey.

604
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,279
It was way easier to track these a few years ago,

605
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,799
because now I find myself double checking so many things

606
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,480
because of it's not not so much the protections, but

607
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:17,240
it's just like the swaps are just they're not confusing,

608
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,759
but as well, did they swap this pick? Did they

609
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,319
actually even have their own pick? Even than the Phoenix?

610
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,319
Is just I couldn't even tell you whose pick they're

611
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:26,279
gonna have in a given season at this point. It's

612
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,839
just it's it's insane, And this question is kind of

613
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:31,920
adjacent to it, and it touches on what the league

614
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,119
has talked a lot about with regards to tanking. But

615
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,519
it comes from, Uh where is this one come from? Uh?

616
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,599
Dark wing duck? How many teams tanking is too many?

617
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,720
How close do you have to be to competing for

618
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:48,839
a champ or how close do you have to be

619
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,559
competing for a championship in order not to tank? And

620
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:57,960
should front offices be fired for unintentionally not being incompetent? Uh? Grant,

621
00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:00,440
I'm gonna do something a little bit more extensive on

622
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:05,200
the tanking stuff. I don't know if is there a

623
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,160
hard and fast number for you. Let's tackle the first one.

624
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,880
How many is too many? And I think if you

625
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,119
get to there's probably a point of the year where

626
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,480
it feels like eight or nine teams are tanking and

627
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,119
that's too many. I think that's too many. Once you

628
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:25,079
cross the threshold of like flagrant entire season tanking anything

629
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,720
above four makes me uncomfortable, I will.

630
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I And you also don't see as much of that,

631
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:34,640
I guess, Like, so, who are those teams this year?

632
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:39,119
Like from day one this was a tank and even and.

633
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: Like Charlene count or did they well.

634
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: So that's what I can't It can't be because there's

635
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,160
no payoff to tanking, so like they're out that they.

636
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: Don't say there's teams that think they're good and just

637
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,920
organically so the Kings aren't tanking, the Kings suck.

638
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:55,039
Speaker 2: No, that's I think that's an important distinction because the

639
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:58,000
process Sixers kind of took this to a level that

640
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:02,319
was like from the start the goal was to be bad,

641
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,200
and they took more steps I think than almost anybody

642
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,119
that I can remember to just stay bad, right, whether

643
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,319
that's like how who they played, how much they played them,

644
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,599
the style that they played, like all that stuff. Am

645
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,200
I like wrong that we haven't really seen that level

646
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,319
of sustained purposeful losing, certainly since the lottery odds were

647
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,640
like rejiggered, like the payoff was just it was you

648
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,400
might you might get in the top four, or you

649
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,799
might not. I think that went a long way towards

650
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:34,759
curbing that. So I would say that in general, like

651
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:38,599
the most egregious tanking you don't see anymore, but in

652
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680
some ways the whole, like what Dallas did a couple

653
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,440
of years ago to keep that top ten protecting first

654
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:46,319
that turned into I guess that would have been the

655
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,440
lively pick that they traded with the thunder Flour, Like

656
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,319
the teams that are pretty good but decide we'd rather

657
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,160
have our pick than make the play in or something

658
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:59,519
like that. Doesn't that feel like a bigger problem in

659
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:02,440
some way, or at least like because then tanking is

660
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,160
creeping into like this team isn't shitty, Like they they

661
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,319
could compete night tonight if they wanted to, and they're

662
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,559
choosing not to. That feels like a bigger problem.

663
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,319
Speaker 1: How often does that happen? Though some version of it happens.

664
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,599
Speaker 2: I mean the Blazers have done it's the shutting down

665
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,759
the Jazz I've done it. It's the the teams that

666
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:22,559
are competent that are deciding we're gonna purposely not be

667
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,680
competent or competitive. If you're Brooklyn, if you if you're

668
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,279
you know, the Wizards, like that's not on the table

669
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:29,519
for you.

670
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,039
Speaker 1: It's a difference. That's the That's the other distinction though,

671
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,400
is by tanking, are they trying to incompetent? Do they

672
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,640
think that? Let choose Washington in Brooklyn as an example,

673
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,559
that these teams should have done more to maximize the

674
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,279
immediate value out of their roster, because what the I

675
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,119
think what the Wizards are doing is probably the most

676
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,519
ethical brand of tanking, if you want to call it.

677
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:51,880
That is, they're not They're still they've played some of

678
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,240
the like the veterans that they have, but they haven't

679
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,400
actively gone out and tried to upgrade the roster yet.

680
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:01,039
And so is that a problem that they've been in

681
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:04,839
this rebuilding period for the past three seasons or like,

682
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,480
isn't this what teams are supposed to to do? Like,

683
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,119
how else are you suppose, especially for teams that we

684
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,119
know free agency is dead, but the threat of a

685
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,200
player wanting to leave or not wanting to be there, Like,

686
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:18,039
they're not a team that's going to First of all,

687
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,759
I don't think most teams should do this, but you

688
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:23,599
can't really build from ceiling to floor where they would

689
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,480
just consolidate and get a star right and then try

690
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:28,200
to work their way back there might be some teams

691
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,119
that could believe they could do that. So how do

692
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,200
you get that initial star you draft to draft them?

693
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,599
And how where are you more likely to get that

694
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,440
star higher in the draft? Yep. And even once you

695
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,559
draft these guys, whether they're drafted highly or not, they

696
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:44,720
need to play, yeah, to develop them. And so that's

697
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,880
that's what I struggle with. And even we have zero

698
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,000
Dave and the chat said easy way to curb tanking

699
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,480
is worse two teams locked out a lot lottery and

700
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,440
locked into fourth and fifth pick. That's not as nuclear

701
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:57,279
as some of the other proposals I've seen, but it

702
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:01,359
just feels like we're already seeing teams that aren't terrible

703
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,960
win the lottery when you look at what just happened

704
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,240
with Dallas. I don't know that we need to add

705
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,719
another variable because now all all you might be doing

706
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,159
by trying to address tanking is perpetuating certain teams being bad,

707
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,039
whether it's organically or deliberately.

708
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:20,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like the second part of that question

709
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,000
is really interesting to me, just the how close do

710
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,760
you need to be to championship contention to justify not tanking? Cause, like,

711
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:30,920
what we we're so hard on the teams that stick

712
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,000
in the middle, like the bulls of the world, and

713
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,559
like I mean the Kings are we to some extent

714
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:39,000
are kind of that way. I mean honestly, like I

715
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,599
think we've been critical of Indiana prior to last year

716
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,440
of just like, ah, they won't they're not. Really, it's

717
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,679
so stupid, like just because what you just said is right,

718
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,199
like the way that you look at the teams that contend,

719
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,400
like Jannis drafted, Steph drafted, Yoki's draft, Like now, these

720
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,400
are all over the map in terms of where they

721
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,320
were picked, but like Anthony Edwards in Minnesota another like

722
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,719
the best teams.

723
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: Typically have drafted their guy.

724
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,119
Speaker 2: So like we knock these middling teams because they're not

725
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,079
willing to tear it all apart, and also because we

726
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:13,679
don't have like skin in the game. There tend to

727
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,000
not be our favorite teams. We don't have to watch

728
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:18,159
them eighty two times like a fan would, so the

729
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,360
calculus is different. But like how do you then? I

730
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,360
guess this is another version of like how do you square?

731
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:26,239
Because we do it, everybody does it. We pile on

732
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,000
these teams that stick in the middle. But we're sitting

733
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,440
here talking about like it's kind of bullshit to just

734
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,880
tear your team down if it can be competitive, because

735
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,679
if you can't compete for a title, then what are

736
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:40,559
you doing. The goal is to win a title. So

737
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,199
if you're not just stripping everything down when it's the moment,

738
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,320
it's clear, you're not a top flight contender, Like that's

739
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,760
a mistake strategically, right, because like, I don't know, it

740
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,599
makes for some like tricky arguments. I just think, like

741
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:57,360
I don't know where that line is. I guess, like

742
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,480
what teams are we cool with not tanking? Like where

743
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:03,880
is the line is it? Is it a playing team?

744
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:05,800
If you're a playing team, you should always be you

745
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,039
should be tearing it down if you're in the top six. Okay,

746
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,000
most of the time, we're not gonna we're not gonna

747
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:16,440
knock you for for not like trying to seek better

748
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,039
draft position. Is it that clear cut? Or I just

749
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:20,079
don't know where the line is?

750
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you think that having the play in tournament

751
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:27,519
has made it easier to distinguish where that line should

752
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:28,840
be or has it been harder?

753
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: Well?

754
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: I think we just don't.

755
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: We make jokes about like, oh cool, another play in

756
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,320
for the Bulls and the Hawks and the Heat and whoever, like,

757
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,320
like who cares? You know, they're obviously the no playing

758
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,639
team is ever gonna win anything. So I think I'm

759
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:44,079
just playing like Devil's advocates, so like, obviously that's stupid

760
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:45,840
to care about the play in, right.

761
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,199
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting is that where it feels like

762
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,199
the Bulls aspire to just get in the play in,

763
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,599
like that's what they're trying all they want. That's the high.

764
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: That's as high as they want to climb.

765
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: You'd almost you respect a team like Atlanta where maybe

766
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,559
they misread how good they were, but like going for

767
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:03,920
it and then it just kind of fails. Yeah, I

768
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,400
don't know how could you need to be, But I

769
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,079
would think it's tough because in the West it feels

770
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:12,039
less wide I mean, the league feels less wide open

771
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,440
so long as the thunder exists. But I think the

772
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:17,920
idea of the play in, especially when if you look back,

773
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,440
we've had seven consecutive different NBA champions in theory, the

774
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,360
idea of getting into the play in and oh, like

775
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,440
could anything happen there? Would that give teams an incentive

776
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,119
to You'll get some extra games of gate revenue if

777
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:32,719
you make it in the first round of the playoffs.

778
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,840
But the NBA postseason is set up so that the

779
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,320
best teams typically win. It's so much harder to upset

780
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,880
a team four times in seven tries than if it

781
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,639
was the one off like we see in the NFL,

782
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,760
like the way their playoffs work. You're not going to

783
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,599
be able to replicate that in the NBA unless you

784
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,559
do you do something where could you bring the first

785
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:57,280
round back to best of five and then that increases

786
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,320
the value of getting into the play in because in theory, oh,

787
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,039
like we could be three out of five is so

788
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:03,480
much easier than four out of seven.

789
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's tricky. I do think, like just to

790
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:13,880
maybe try to wrap the tanking discussion, like the simplest

791
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,000
answer has always been, it's more about incentivizing winning than

792
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:21,360
it is disincentivizing losing. So like the example of if

793
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,920
you're one of the two worst teams, you're you're stuck

794
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,760
outside of you got to pick fourth and fifth. But

795
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,280
like I guess, in a way, that is incentivizing you

796
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,679
to not be in the bottom two. So it's like

797
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,760
win more. That's that that is sort of a positive incentive.

798
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,320
So I don't know It's just it seems much harder

799
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,800
to like, what can you put out there for teams

800
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,119
in that like lower middle class that are that are

801
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:48,880
candidates to tank or to go for a play in?

802
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,400
Like what can you give them? Because the play in

803
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:53,559
I don't think, I think pretty clearly is not enough

804
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:55,920
on its own. But how what else can you give

805
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,280
a team to incentivize these last fifteen games of the

806
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,559
year you're out of contender, try to win as many

807
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:04,719
of them as you can, Like, what what can you

808
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,880
as a carrot dangle if you're the NBA as opposed

809
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,719
to just like I don't know, penalizing them somehow?

810
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: What do you think about the idea of locking the

811
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,800
lottery odds on March first? And so if you know

812
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,519
where your lottery position is already, does that incentivize you

813
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:23,320
going into the plane? Hmmm?

814
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:26,079
Speaker 2: I guess you wouldn't be what you would not be

815
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:29,119
incentivized to lose. So that's good, right because it does

816
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,239
not help you. I don't know if that incentivizes you

817
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,760
if you're locked, does that incentivize you to I think

818
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,639
you might still rest guys that you would otherwise rest

819
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,280
because you're worried about wear and tear, you know, like, well,

820
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,159
I think that to some extent that does help because

821
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:49,840
it but that just removes the incentive of losing. I

822
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,599
don't know if it incentivizes winning, which is like it

823
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:54,840
sounds like I'm making a distinction that doesn't exist.

824
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: But I think you are two separate. That's that's a

825
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,960
fair point. And I don't know how you're We've already

826
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,039
kind of seen it with people are gonna react to

827
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,559
the NBA Cup differently when there's half a million dollars

828
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,400
per player on the line. And Andrew Will in the

829
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,920
chat says, what's the downside of a single elimination tournament

830
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,079
of all the non playoff teams for the number one pick,

831
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:17,159
throwing some prize money? So players care about it? In theory,

832
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:19,679
that'd be cool. I just don't think players are gonna

833
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:21,960
get up to compete so that you could potentially draft

834
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:22,599
their replacement.

835
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: That's the dynamic that's weird that yeah, Like I mean right,

836
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,039
because the organization would be like, guys, we got to

837
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,840
like the front office would be super motivated, the players

838
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,840
especially like imagine there's like a positional overlap too. It's

839
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,559
just like it would be difficult to really want to

840
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:42,079
go for that.

841
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have any perfect answers, and we'll dig

842
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,199
deeper into the topic of the final leg of this

843
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,760
question from dark Wing Duck though, should front offices fire

844
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,639
for failing to tank? Be fired for failing to tank properly?

845
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,920
This could be I think a lot of people viewed

846
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,000
as a Utah Jazz question. I just think you can't.

847
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:03,360
Is that more of a coaching thing? Is it more

848
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,360
of a player It's just you can't fault the Jazz

849
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,719
for being more competent, especially on the offensive end when

850
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,760
they've done the This is short of they need to

851
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,280
trade lowry marketing, I guess, But like, think about how

852
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,880
how good are the Jazz? Sorry if Walker Kessler Nevert

853
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,119
gets injured.

854
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, I mean that even ties to the

855
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:27,800
like where's the line this year's Jazz, I think are

856
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,360
just they're too good to have started the year trying

857
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,159
to tank, and and that's that's been a problem. Like,

858
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,239
I think it's more a front office to me? Is

859
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,280
more is dropping the ball more if it's full of veterans.

860
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,159
The roster's full of veterans. It's just the bulls thing

861
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,880
or even the Kings where it's like your veteran led

862
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,920
you know the stealing is not high. You can't just

863
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,280
keep running it back like that. To me is a

864
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,719
more agree just I don't know, failure then like what's

865
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,480
happening in Utah, because in some ways that's what's happening

866
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:08,800
in Utah is like a positive just because it means something.

867
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:09,840
Guys are pretty good.

868
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: They George got better. That's kind of part of the

869
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,599
whole reason why you do this. Maybe should there be

870
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,599
some sort of an impartial committee that you have to

871
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,880
be forced to because franchise valuations are so going up

872
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,239
so wives that if you are not in the playoffs

873
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,440
for five consecutive years, that you need to be like

874
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:28,880
a committee comes in and decidesable have you taken the

875
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,719
steps necessary to even attempt Because the.

876
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: DAN wants a greater government oversight. You heard it here.

877
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,599
First he wants he wants the federal government to take

878
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:40,239
over the NBA front office.

879
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: After that that I do not. That's that's a tough question.

880
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,159
I think only the only reason you get rid of

881
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:52,199
a front office for overachieving by not under achieved is

882
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,639
there just has to be a disconnect between what is

883
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,360
ownership expecting, what was the plan that was laid out.

884
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,119
And if the plan was, oh, Utah is going to

885
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,039
get top four lottery odds in three consecutive years and

886
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,760
then we're gonna move on, then okay, that's they've failed

887
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,119
at that job. That's what was mapped out. But some

888
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:12,400
of what's happening in Utah is lowry marketing blossomed a

889
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,400
ton Walker, Kestler ended up being a great acquisition pick.

890
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,639
Whoever you want to frame it. Kiante George is now

891
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,679
kind of Dean Austwitz don't love him still because of

892
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:23,519
the defense, but Caante George is still like he's getting better.

893
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,800
And you do have Ace Bailey like that might be

894
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,840
the player that you were kind of waiting on. So

895
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,679
I don't have answers, and we're gonna go more at

896
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,159
length at this Do you want to take us to

897
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:33,280
another question?

898
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,599
Speaker 2: I kind of want to hit this one real quick though,

899
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:37,639
just to so this is from it never makes no sense.

900
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,239
Would any of the tanking be a problem if the

901
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,800
season was shorter. But I don't know why I think this,

902
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,239
but my gut says that if the season were shorter,

903
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,400
just everything would be better. So like I assume that

904
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,599
tanking would be less of an issue. I don't know,

905
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:53,840
maybe because like a smaller sample means it's harder for

906
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,519
separation at the very top and very bottom to occur.

907
00:43:56,679 --> 00:44:00,320
Because I don't know, I just I wanted to hit

908
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,719
that because I've never really thought about that as as like,

909
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,440
what's what's another benefit of a shorter season? You might

910
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,239
see less tanking? I don't know, what do you think

911
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:07,599
do you.

912
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:11,159
Speaker 1: Think that going to sixty five games or sixty games

913
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,719
or whatever? Like, is there that because doesn't it all?

914
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,239
Doesn't it even would it incentivize more early tanking? Because

915
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,519
oh interesting so much, you know what I mean?

916
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: So because you know you got to get after it

917
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,320
if you're trying to be at the bottom.

918
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: Because right now Dallas is a great example a mid

919
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,639
season tank from them is they could fall below some teams,

920
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:32,679
but they're gonna be hard pressed to really blot them out.

921
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,960
So it's going to increase the like, you know, the

922
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,679
the egregiousness of it. There's probably no perfect solve.

923
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: Tanking's a hard thing.

924
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: This all of it turns out.

925
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: Also other than unless you're gonna do relegation, if I

926
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,800
think you would, really that would be that would incentivize

927
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,320
them teams because the money you lose getting relegated to

928
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,119
some second tier league for a year would be motivating.

929
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if sports betting wasn't legal, how big of

930
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,719
a topic would this be.

931
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: Is it wouldn't be that's okay, I want to do.

932
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,119
This is from Ogeary nine thousand. If there was one

933
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,559
retired role player that played for your team that you

934
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:12,320
could add to your current team, who would that be? Parenthetical?

935
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,159
The player cannot have made any All Stars all NBA

936
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,960
teams or have been the leading scorer while on your team. Well,

937
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,079
this is this is killing me because it means la

938
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:22,079
Charle Spreewell can't be my pick for the Warriors and

939
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,960
I take him from your Knicks. Uh, the player you

940
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:26,960
choose will only be as good as when he was

941
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,800
on your team previously. So I guess that's that means like,

942
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,280
it can't be. I'm trying to think of the player

943
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,159
that got traded to some other team.

944
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:36,559
Speaker 1: It can't be.

945
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: Like, if you're the Mavericks and you choose Jalen Brunson,

946
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,000
you don't get Nicks Jalen Brunson. You get You're the

947
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:47,199
best you get is Mavericks Jalen Brunson just hypothetically, Okay,

948
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,440
that's a good one. Am I gonna take Jordan Poole?

949
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,519
Is that?

950
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: Who is that? Who? I did not well, I did

951
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,400
not see that coming.

952
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,519
Speaker 2: I said, oh my god, that's not my official pick

953
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:03,880
because I before I read the parenthetical, I was going

954
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,559
to take spree Well because all NBA first Teamer All

955
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:12,280
Defensive was an All Star. Is exactly the type of

956
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,920
player Golden State would need right now in the backcourt

957
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,360
next to Steph because he could guard ones and twos.

958
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,400
We're talking ninety one ninety two spree Well or ninety

959
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,519
two ninety three. I forget which, man, because who else?

960
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,679
Let's you can chip in on the Warriors and I'll

961
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,199
help you on the knicks. Is there someone that's like

962
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,159
at that level like Igodala?

963
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:33,519
Speaker 1: Does he?

964
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:37,159
Speaker 2: I don't know if he solves anything for what this

965
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:38,199
team needs right now?

966
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:39,519
Speaker 1: Is there?

967
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: Man?

968
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,679
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to reread the criteria too on this.

969
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:46,920
So if there was one time.

970
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,679
Speaker 2: I couldn't say like DeMarcus Cousins, for example, for a

971
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,599
number of reasons, because one, you wouldn't get King's DeMarcus

972
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:56,320
Cousins and he's made a bunch of All Star teams.

973
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,639
So it's a role player specifically.

974
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: From the Warriors. You want some jack? Yeah, he want Jack?

975
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,440
So could they? Are you saying they never could have

976
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:13,239
been an All Star? They never could have been an

977
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,039
All Star with your team, and they could have went

978
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,039
maybe and been an All Star. So like DeMarcus Cousins,

979
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,320
what if you wanted to pick him would be viable?

980
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,639
Speaker 2: Because I I read it as he cannot. This is

981
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:27,199
about a role player, so it cannot have been someone

982
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,360
that's ever been an All Star or All NBA or

983
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,440
anything like that have been well, let's see, I don't

984
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,880
know that's it depends on how you read these clauses.

985
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,000
I guess it's more you could interpret it as this

986
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,760
guy cannot have been an All Star, All NBA or

987
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:48,559
leading scorer while on your team. So maybe maybe Oh damn,

988
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:55,239
you're speaking to my heart. Yeah, I did enjoy the healthy,

989
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,400
healthy ish version of Andrew Boge. I guess you could

990
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,760
go way back like Chris Mitch Richmond must have made

991
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,679
it all. He made a couple of All Star teams.

992
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: They make them with the Warriors, though.

993
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: I don't know he did, not sure he'd be pretty

994
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,119
good if he didn't make him with the Warriors. He

995
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:15,400
might have let him, might bet mollin probably let him

996
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,679
in scoring when they overlapped.

997
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: No, he didn't. He won Brookie in the year with

998
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,239
the Warriors, but he did not make it. Uh make

999
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,639
an All Star team with the Warriors.

1000
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: That might be it. That might be it, although who

1001
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,760
knows what his game looks like now? But we'll we

1002
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,000
won't dig that deep. Okay, I'll take Mitch Richmond then

1003
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:33,639
if if we can fudget that way, all right? For

1004
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:39,000
the Knicks, man, I mean, is the answer just Gallinari?

1005
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:44,280
For you? You get peak Gallinari, peak Gallinar.

1006
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean they need a bigger wing. What about Well,

1007
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,440
this wouldn't fall He didn't make it with the next

1008
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,360
but Larry Johnson.

1009
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so do you get peak Larry Johnson or you

1010
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:57,599
can only get you only get as good as he was.

1011
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: With Well, Oh, I shouldn't say, I say a heart

1012
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,719
and Stein would be a good one.

1013
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:08,039
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Like, So you can't take like Derreck

1014
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:11,199
Rose and say I get peaked Dereck Rose for example, right.

1015
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: And also on this NIXT team, I don't think peak

1016
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,960
Dereck Rose. But right, because Emmanuel quickly would be more

1017
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,960
appealing to me than him.

1018
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: What about hold On, you don't want peak Derreck Rose?

1019
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:30,039
Speaker 1: No, that's crazy. I have Tyler Kohlick. Okay, I'm trying

1020
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:32,000
to think along the lines of just someone who might

1021
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,159
be more of a wing because Hart and Stearin when

1022
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:39,079
you have Robinson in Towns, I don't think is the right.

1023
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: Okay, you need a wing. Uh, I'm sure Alan Houston

1024
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:49,159
made All Star teams. I wonder if I mean, did

1025
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:50,880
Spreewell make All Star teams with the Knicks?

1026
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: He must have.

1027
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,639
Speaker 2: Uh, just trying to get spree Well picked here is

1028
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,840
really what I'm.

1029
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: I think he did. I'll double check that. What about

1030
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,840
would Spencer Haywood qualifies a wing in today's game or

1031
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,039
does he need to be more of a big?

1032
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 2: You've you ask anything about Spencer Haywood. You've exceeded my

1033
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,440
Spencer Haywood knowledge.

1034
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,159
Speaker 1: I have none. He Oh, it's pretty well did make

1035
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:14,559
an All Star team, But then he made one in

1036
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:15,400
two thousand and one.

1037
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: Too bad. That would have been a great pick if

1038
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:17,840
he hadn't.

1039
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,119
Speaker 1: Oh, Jason Kidd, that's still guardy. I don't know if

1040
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,000
I want to guardy. Oh, you know what I might

1041
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,920
just because they don't really have like this night. Dante

1042
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,840
Devincenzo interesting, Yeah, just guy who's gonna shoot sham it

1043
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,239
on steroids.

1044
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: Get ten threes up and yeah, I mean there's.

1045
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: Gotta be Anthony Mason, but that's just like I don't know, Yeah,

1046
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:50,719
I don't think Anthony works today. Yeah, I think I

1047
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,519
might be dark.

1048
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: Stark's probably made an All Star Game and he's not

1049
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,199
like a.

1050
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,079
Speaker 1: Did he I don't know. I don't know if I would

1051
00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:59,199
need it. If I'm the Nicks, I don't know if

1052
00:50:59,239 --> 00:50:59,920
I need him on it.

1053
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 2: You want a bigger wing than Stark's probably.

1054
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:05,519
Speaker 1: Right, what about Quentin Grimes.

1055
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: Stark's Starks did make an All Star Game ninety ninety four.

1056
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: I think I might lock myself into even though he's

1057
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,199
not really a wing. Dante DiVincenzo. I'm like struggling to

1058
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,880
think of what would be the the other guy that

1059
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:27,559
again if I'm I'm thinking just about how they played

1060
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:35,199
with the Knicks specifically. Yeah, yeah, I think it's I'm

1061
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:38,400
gonna go with I'm gonna go with Dante DiVincenzo, and

1062
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,920
I think lock it in, Okay, I like it. Larry

1063
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,400
Johnson was tempting, but I just don't know defensively if

1064
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,840
he would be like archetype wise might make a lot

1065
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,320
of sense, But defensively, I don't know if he does

1066
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,800
enough of what I am looking for if I'm running

1067
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,559
the ducks. All right, this question is interesting, Grant, and

1068
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:59,360
it comes from where did I lose the name?

1069
00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:59,599
Speaker 2: Here?

1070
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: Cosmic Raccoon. Who are the most the best veteran minimum

1071
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,280
bargains in the league this year that signed those vetman contracts.

1072
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:12,159
They gave Josha Kogi as an example. He's certainly done

1073
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,480
way more in Houston than I thought that I thought

1074
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:20,719
he was going to. Yeah, uh mamu in Toronto signed

1075
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:21,360
a minimum.

1076
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,679
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm looking I'm looking for that. John Hollinger just

1077
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,039
wrote up a good value article and like, both of

1078
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:30,800
those guys are in there. So I'm hunting for that

1079
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,039
so I can refresh. One.

1080
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: Do we start listing Celtics?

1081
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,639
Speaker 2: Cada has been a huge one.

1082
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: Well on a yeah, he is on a minimum. I

1083
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,440
think Marvin Bagley is one. He's been pretty good this year.

1084
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,199
That's a just you laugh, But I mean.

1085
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: It's just incredible that we're here.

1086
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 1: Where where you're.

1087
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:53,159
Speaker 2: I mean, when's the last time you said something positive

1088
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:55,760
about uh about Bagley?

1089
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: What about Tim Hardaway Junior has been very good for

1090
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:05,199
day this year. Yeah, I gotta get I'm not gonna

1091
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:05,599
find it.

1092
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: Let's see who else is in a huge value. I

1093
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,159
guess like rookie scale guys don't count.

1094
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:13,119
Speaker 1: No, I'm not and like it. Even if they were

1095
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:17,320
second round picks, I'm not considering them. Jordan Goodwin in Phoenix,

1096
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:20,559
so you're not counting.

1097
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Nem hard you're not counting in Dallas for example.

1098
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, is Congolest beast all off? That's minimum because he

1099
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,480
would definitely be one then too.

1100
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they converted him, He's got to be that's yeah,

1101
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,559
there's all like uh, Dominic Barlow in Philly. Yeah, I

1102
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:45,679
think he got converted. Man, there's a lot, right, isn't that?

1103
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,719
Like it feels like a lot of guys this year

1104
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,840
have been Yeah, Cam Spencer isn't Cam Spencer on a minimum?

1105
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: I guess he was.

1106
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,639
Speaker 2: He was a rookie. Maybe he's a rookie scale, but

1107
00:53:57,679 --> 00:53:58,880
he was a second rounder.

1108
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:03,199
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah he was he converted last year or he

1109
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:03,840
you know.

1110
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: Andrew's got our Andrews got our Celtics here, Walsh and

1111
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,440
why not that's pretty good?

1112
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: Did you say those guys?

1113
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: I know he said Cada and Garza?

1114
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: I said why not Garza? And you said Kata? And

1115
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,559
who was the other one he listened to?

1116
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: I mean, arguably the best of the group.

1117
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah there, man, there have been a lot this year.

1118
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,639
I think I'm trying to do we miss anybody?

1119
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:33,039
Speaker 2: I'm sure we did. Okay, I want to let's see

1120
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:36,599
whatever there was one that I saw? Okay, we'll do

1121
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:41,000
this one from Bryan Sapporik. What's the most that a

1122
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:44,039
team should pay the following free agents this summer? This

1123
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:49,719
will assume opt outs on all fronts. Trey Young, James Harden,

1124
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,559
Lebron James. Let's take Trey first, so he opts out,

1125
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,119
we don't need to. I guess go through how many

1126
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:01,159
teams actually could pay him? Just say in a vacuum,

1127
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,239
Trey Young is worth X. We can do years and dollars?

1128
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:04,880
Like what are you?

1129
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: So? What is he eligible for?

1130
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: Let's start the extension? It gets just the Fox number right,

1131
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,400
like four for two twenty nine? Is that what it?

1132
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: What it is? Basically? Well, if he the clients the

1133
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,000
player option, wouldn't it be.

1134
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 2: That's a exten He's eligible for an four year for

1135
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,559
four years two twenty nine on an extension, So if

1136
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:29,079
he declines it, what can he start at thirty percent?

1137
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: He's signing a max deal next year, and he's in

1138
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,559
the seven to nine year range, right, so he could

1139
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,079
come up to five years, two hundred and eighty eight

1140
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:40,280
point eight million dollars is and then a four year

1141
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,639
max for him would be too twenty three point one.

1142
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: I'm not touching either of those, I can tell you that.

1143
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,320
So let's say, is he worth maybe maybe we can

1144
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,360
zero in on it this way. If I told you

1145
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,639
that Trey Young signed for four years, years and two

1146
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:03,880
hundred million, are you like that? Seems I'm not doing

1147
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,840
flat fifty, just fifty a year average annual value. So

1148
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:11,000
for example, the player option he'd be declining in twenty

1149
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,800
six twenty seven is just under forty nine million. So

1150
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:18,840
if you go out average annual fifty, you're gonna be

1151
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,519
talking about because that's forty nine million in next year

1152
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:27,679
seventy almost thirty. But that's to be in the mid

1153
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,960
to low twenties with the cap going up by the

1154
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:30,480
end of it.

1155
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,639
Speaker 1: What you're if you're starting it out, if you like

1156
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,280
you're saying you're paying him his max salary next year,

1157
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,119
which is he can't even get.

1158
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,119
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm saying the total value is two hundred,

1159
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,719
so you're probably starting it at like forty or or

1160
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,599
something like that. You're saying, fine, and two hundred is

1161
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:51,639
what you're Yeah, I said four for two hundred, a

1162
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,880
four for two hundred. It's not I'm not paying I'll

1163
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:55,920
we don't need to do the math.

1164
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1165
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,599
Speaker 2: I think I think, like to me, he's worth forty

1166
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:03,719
million a year, I would say overall. So like if

1167
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,159
you're starting that at that's the crazy thing, Like is

1168
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,760
he gonna take a ten million dollar plus pay cut

1169
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,840
in twenty six twenty seven salary to get one?

1170
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,079
Speaker 1: I think if you could lock onto that, if you

1171
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:14,880
could do forty million a year or so four for

1172
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,639
one six three, even if it was do you get

1173
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:18,559
the fifth year? If you go five for two hundred,

1174
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:21,320
you're locking down him. That's what's that.

1175
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: Do you want the fifth year?

1176
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:25,599
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is from Trey Young's perspective, Okay,

1177
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:28,440
you're you're slated to make fifty next season, but you

1178
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,559
can guarantee yoursel an extra one hundred and fifty million

1179
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:33,000
dollars over an additional four years. You might need to

1180
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:36,760
take that security when looking at the the climate, I'm

1181
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,440
gonna say I'm probably with you. I think he's worth

1182
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,679
about He's like in the twenty five to thirty percent

1183
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:44,199
of the cap range for me, and it might be

1184
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:48,000
something slightly under thirty percent of the salary cap. I

1185
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,639
think even when he gives you the defensive effort you're

1186
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:54,519
looking for, it's not He's not gonna be good on

1187
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:56,360
that end. And the other thing is is we have

1188
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,039
yet to have enough evidence that he can play in

1189
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,599
these different ways. We've seen him play off the ball

1190
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,199
a little bit more, we've seen him play a little

1191
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:06,280
bit faster, but can he exist in these systems that

1192
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,480
want more functional variability. It's look, it's probably flown under

1193
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,440
the radar. I still think what Luca was able to

1194
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,400
do in Dallas before they try like they had played

1195
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,880
faster with Luca. What Jalen Brunson in New York's offense

1196
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,840
this year. Yeah, there's still those possessions where he's pounding

1197
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,840
the ball like Trey Young has never played off the

1198
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,719
ball as much as Jalen Brunson does. Right, now, so

1199
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:26,840
that would be my biggest content. And then of course

1200
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,679
there's just this season and then last season have not

1201
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:32,000
been the best versions of Trey Young, which complicates that

1202
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:32,840
even further.

1203
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:35,079
Speaker 2: Which maybe is what you're getting going forward given his

1204
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:37,079
age and small guard stuff and all that. So I'd

1205
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:39,960
say we're somewhere in the neighborhood of the most you

1206
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:46,559
would pay him is forty million, assuming raises per year.

1207
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,840
Start just talking about like the first year of his

1208
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:54,840
new deal, and we're probably not getting over like like

1209
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,840
one seventy over four years, right, Like, yeah, some like

1210
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,480
I'm not I think I'm lower on him than you are.

1211
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,719
I have concerns with him specifically of like can he

1212
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,199
be a role player period? Like is that just?

1213
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:08,719
Speaker 1: Is that?

1214
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: Is that not possible? And then if the answer is no,

1215
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,400
then it's like, so is he a six man now?

1216
00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:15,599
Like is that how we're gonna do?

1217
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:15,679
Speaker 1: That?

1218
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: Seems crazy that we would consider that.

1219
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: But do you think it's more about him specifically or

1220
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,199
about the league zagging away from that type of not

1221
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,119
that type, that kind of archetype. I guess because there's

1222
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:31,679
still helio centric offense in the NBA. But think about

1223
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:34,199
some of the teams that run it feel uniquely vulnerable

1224
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:35,400
in ways that others.

1225
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:40,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I mean, I think it's him

1226
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:43,840
more than anything, just like to be he has to

1227
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,239
be so good as a driver of offense because of

1228
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,000
all the other drawbacks that like, he the bars just

1229
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:53,519
really high for be for for a team to say

1230
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:58,679
he's the guy we're oriented around. I just I think

1231
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,719
it's it's almost unreasonable. It's like the X he would

1232
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,199
have to be, like you don't have to be Steph,

1233
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,960
but you got to be pretty close to like Dame

1234
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:10,559
Lillard of you know, five years ago or or something

1235
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:12,760
like that. And I just don't think young is is

1236
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,039
quite that Well.

1237
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,079
Speaker 1: Here, here's a fun stough. So the next name would

1238
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:21,159
be James Harden. Who's making Look at what James Harden

1239
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:24,360
the number is slated to be at next season or

1240
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,280
like his player option, he's at sub forty two next year.

1241
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,039
Are you paying James Harden more than Trey Young in

1242
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:34,400
a vacuum or is it because Trey Young is younger

1243
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,280
and you're hoping for better out years that you'd be

1244
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,159
willing to invest more in Trey James harder to me

1245
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:42,519
might be more. I might here's a way our frame it.

1246
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:45,639
Would you be more likely to give Trey Young a

1247
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:48,719
four year and one hundred and seventy million dollar deal

1248
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:51,679
or just give James Harden a two year, ninety million

1249
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:52,239
dollar deal.

1250
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,519
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather do the hardened deal. I'd want

1251
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:58,519
it shorter. If you do the Trey Young deal for

1252
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,760
a couple of years, that's maybe a different conversation, just

1253
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,599
because in both case, I mean, Harden, Harden is kind

1254
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,159
of the trend is what it is now with his

1255
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,920
with his contracts, I think they're gonna all be shorter.

1256
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,280
But I wouldn't you say, like, Harden was much better

1257
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,800
than Tray last year, and injuries have had plenty to

1258
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,719
do with it, but Harden's been better than him this year.

1259
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: So like basically the only thing that keeps the Clippers

1260
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,800
offense afloat. Yeah for a lot of the time.

1261
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I would pay hard and more, but

1262
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,119
I would never go more than like a one plus one.

1263
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,920
I just right, like, you can't be that this he's

1264
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,039
there is his age thirty six season, Like you can't

1265
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,360
you can't his go further down the road than that.

1266
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:40,079
Speaker 1: His max salary next year could be There's no fee.

1267
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:42,199
I can't imagine the Clippers. It would fifty eight point

1268
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,039
one million dollars. So if you were to go like

1269
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:49,960
a two year max on James Harden, you're talking two

1270
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,000
years and one hundred and thirty about.

1271
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,559
Speaker 2: Which you don't have to because he's already like he's

1272
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,239
anchored down around forty million. Like you're, I think you

1273
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,599
can go below that to probably given his age. What

1274
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:01,880
about Lebron?

1275
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,159
Speaker 1: Is some of the US splitzer packing a bleak picture?

1276
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 2: What does he so this I mean talk about like

1277
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,280
a watershed moment?

1278
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:12,639
Speaker 1: Is this?

1279
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,199
Speaker 2: I know he took slightly less than the max, but

1280
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,440
like he's not. So he's at fifty two zero point

1281
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:19,559
six this year.

1282
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: His mask, he's a fifty eight point one next year.

1283
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: Now you're I will only go on one plus one

1284
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:27,239
every right, and he probably is only.

1285
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: You think if something Team K came, well, I think

1286
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,519
he's so he's limited. He's gonna be limited by the

1287
01:02:33,519 --> 01:02:36,039
over thirty eight role too. So okay, there's that. That's fine.

1288
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:40,280
There's the problem with Lebron and I think we should

1289
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,800
evaluate it outside of this, is you would sign him

1290
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,519
to a MAX just because of what it would do

1291
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,840
to your attendance or your marketability as a team.

1292
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not going to do.

1293
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:52,639
Speaker 1: That with Trey Younger James Harden. So if you filter

1294
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,079
that out and you're a basketball team entering the twenty

1295
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:01,960
twenty six twenty seven season, what Lebron James as a

1296
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,320
player still worth and that will be his it could

1297
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,239
be his age forty two season. That's nuts.

1298
01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: I mean he's still that's so.

1299
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,639
Speaker 1: Like he's still just twenty and seven and he's shooting

1300
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:16,760
the three balls not falling. His two point shots still

1301
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,559
fifty six seven from from two.

1302
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he can't be your best player. I mean

1303
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,039
he could be your best player if you have the

1304
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,880
like a really ideal supporting cast and you're trying to

1305
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:35,360
finish fifth in the conference or something like that. So

1306
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,559
I think that drops him below like the fifty million

1307
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:40,400
dollar range. Although if you're factoring in like all the

1308
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,599
things you're talking about.

1309
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,199
Speaker 1: The game, do thatay?

1310
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you exclude that, like what is he

1311
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,599
worth on the court, you price in he's gonna miss

1312
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:52,480
time too. It's it's probably pretty close to like hardened level, right,

1313
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,559
like we're talking forty something like that.

1314
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, he's just such a well so is James Harden,

1315
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:02,159
that's Trey Young. To be fair, they're all brilliant playmakers.

1316
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,280
Is who's the of the three, Who's the one you're

1317
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,199
promising the most money to for their encore value next season?

1318
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:18,159
Speaker 2: Honestly, I might say Lebron just because I guess it

1319
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:21,760
should be hardened, just because he's played at the highest level. Well,

1320
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,199
Lebron was good last year. I don't know, it's it's

1321
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:24,599
not Trey.

1322
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: I guess. Here's the other thing too with Lebron is

1323
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,760
as we're recording this how many games he's played in

1324
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,559
eleven games, and so it's just it might take some

1325
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:36,000
time with him. And so I'm just wondering. I'm not

1326
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:39,239
expecting a forty one year old to all of a

1327
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:42,679
sudden be an MVP candidate moving forward. But the Lebron

1328
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:45,760
that we've seen to this point, after missing more time

1329
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,000
than ever in his career right just consecutively, might not

1330
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,320
be the Lebron that we're gonna see if he's still

1331
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,400
healthy come March April playoff time. So I think I

1332
01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,559
go with Lebron as well. James weren't like he might

1333
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:02,559
have the more the higher individuals soon, but I also

1334
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:05,239
can't tell if the Lakers pecking order in hierarchy right

1335
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,599
now is kind of screwing with that for me? Because

1336
01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:11,360
Luke is there, because Austin Reeves is there. Is Lebron

1337
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,960
still who's the best defensively of this group right now?

1338
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:15,880
Is that still him?

1339
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:20,519
Speaker 2: He would certainly mean by default size, Yeah, so I.

1340
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,159
Speaker 1: Think it would be him. I'd be willing to just

1341
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:26,920
go I'd give him fifty, but at that you're saying

1342
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,679
he's your best player, so he's probably more closer to

1343
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:31,239
forty five. But I would pay him the most out

1344
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:33,679
of anyone from this group. How much you think? It's

1345
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:36,320
a pretty sobering question. Yeah, all right.

1346
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: I see one that I like here from Demos kind

1347
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,280
of related to the above question. I'm not sure which question.

1348
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,480
Maybe it's the offensive rebounding one. But look at the

1349
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:49,760
recent he has a Kevish's injury where he said that

1350
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:52,239
in an interview not injury, where he said that in

1351
01:05:52,239 --> 01:05:54,599
the past, it was exciting to see NBA coaches playing

1352
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:57,039
their own style. Nowadays they're all playing the same Do

1353
01:05:57,079 --> 01:05:59,199
you agree with that? I think it's pretty clear we don't.

1354
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,880
I think the criticism that all teams play the same

1355
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,960
way or coaches coach their teams to play the same way.

1356
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,320
I mean, I guess there's a kernel of truth in it,

1357
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,679
and that like generally speaking, you want to play faster

1358
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,079
and shoot more threes. I think the other trend we're

1359
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:22,360
seeing is you generally want to play all of your

1360
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,440
players lower minute totals and shuttle them in more. Because

1361
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,639
we're learning that like the ability to play as hard

1362
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:31,480
as possible is like a hack that the Pacers really

1363
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:34,960
kind of leaned into last year. But in terms of

1364
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:39,840
like the way teams go about trying to generate shots

1365
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,119
and scoring chances and what they do defensively schematically, I mean,

1366
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,400
I just I guess on some level, yeah, like if

1367
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,119
you're not really looking closely at it, I guess you

1368
01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:55,760
could say that it's pretty similar. But it's like that's

1369
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,400
only because the objective of the game is the same

1370
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:01,039
for every team. Like you're trying to score as efficiently

1371
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:03,199
as possible, and you're trying to force the other team

1372
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:06,079
to attempt to score as inefficiently as possible, and there's

1373
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:09,719
just like stuff you should do to achieve those goals.

1374
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,719
But like, right, the actual styles I think this this

1375
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,800
year in particular, is not the year to be making

1376
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:21,239
that argument because there are some pretty distinct personnel based

1377
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,559
stylistic choices that we're seeing. There's some pretty extreme like

1378
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:30,119
attempts by certain teams to like push boundaries of like

1379
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:34,039
how far can we go with offensive rebounding, screening, all

1380
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:37,239
kinds of stuff. Right, Like it's like, what would you say,

1381
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,199
do you one? Do you agree that, like you kind

1382
01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:43,039
of can get it when people say that things are

1383
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:47,000
kind of homogeneous, but also like it just ultimately like

1384
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:48,760
at the bottom of it, that's just not true.

1385
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: I think that there's a perception problem more than anything,

1386
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:53,639
And that's.

1387
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: What do you think that stems from?

1388
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: Like why? I think it stems from until maybe things

1389
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,760
change with Amazon and NBC. But I think that the

1390
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,840
league's primary broadcast partners or the outlets that are most

1391
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,800
tasked with covering the league don't. It's not that they

1392
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,519
have to masturbate over everything that's happening on the court

1393
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:15,239
every single night. I'm not looking for that masturbatory coverage,

1394
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,039
but they don't. They analyze the game from the same

1395
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:22,920
old way, and it's legacy debates or it should. We

1396
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,680
talk about trades a lot. We love trades, like the

1397
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,520
transaction game is huge, but so little has to do

1398
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,119
with what's actually happening on the court, and when they

1399
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:33,560
are talking about it, it's overly simplified to where there's

1400
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,680
just I don't hear this a lot, but the version

1401
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,119
of who wants it more? Defense is an effort thing

1402
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:41,239
you're not spending time. There's more people doing that, and

1403
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,560
there are people in this space that do an excellent

1404
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,199
job of doing that, but it's not mainstream coverage. And

1405
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:48,439
I think for you and I or anyone who works

1406
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,760
in this the like in the business, the podcast or

1407
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:56,000
media member, whatever, you're in your silo because you're exposed

1408
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,119
to such talent and such nuance on a daily basis,

1409
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:02,199
because that's what you see out But the information and

1410
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:06,079
the coverage that is readily available that is most widely disseminated,

1411
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,840
it's the it's not informative in any way shape or

1412
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,359
you have some of it, like there's a place for

1413
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,680
like there's a place for legacy talks, absolutely, but just

1414
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,640
the stuff that's out there or the stuff that is

1415
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,279
looking to incite the most reaction is this is a

1416
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,800
larger comment on probably social media in general, where it's

1417
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:27,880
all about garnering these reactions that you're gravitating towards these

1418
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:31,920
they're not even just magnetic topics or even polarizing. They

1419
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,640
almost feel disingenuous a lot of the times where how

1420
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,479
many people it's dumb when I see it With writers,

1421
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,159
it's no one gets paid enough as a writer to

1422
01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:42,960
actively do this. But you do start to wonder if

1423
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,800
a lot of the talking heads podcasters around TV are

1424
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,920
they just playing a character at this point because these

1425
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,439
questions just have no bearing. And I think that's the

1426
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,000
biggest thing with a perception problem, And just on a

1427
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:57,319
fact basis, I think you hit it is that teams

1428
01:09:57,319 --> 01:09:59,439
are trying to do the same thing and they're just

1429
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,840
going about in dramatically different ways. And what I think

1430
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:06,520
is not being paid enough attention to is the three

1431
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,479
point attempt rate is down this year. It's the right.

1432
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,119
Speaker 2: Pre point attempts are like the stand in for or

1433
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,199
like the first thing anyone points to when they say

1434
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:15,279
everybody plays the same.

1435
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: And yes, it's down only a tick, but it's I

1436
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,560
don't know, if I had to go back and look

1437
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,439
how many years that it's actually dipped over the past twenty,

1438
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:27,039
would you even predict one? I might not. Yeah, And

1439
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:31,880
so I think that it has It shouldn't always be

1440
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,600
on fans, because one, you have enough work to do

1441
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,000
as a fan to go find out where the game

1442
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:39,000
you want to watch is being inhered at this point,

1443
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:42,079
it shouldn't be on you to then seek out how

1444
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,279
the Warriors play defense, or like how to spot a

1445
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:48,159
zone defense or how to spot peel switching. That stuff

1446
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:51,439
should be it's available, it's out there. There's everything is

1447
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,840
saturated when it comes to NBA coverage, but that stuff

1448
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,319
doesn't feel as accessible because it's not as widely disseminated.

1449
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:00,720
And I think that's to me, that's I don't think

1450
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,520
it's because fans are stupid and it's too complicated. I

1451
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,319
think the two things are is that the companies behind

1452
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:08,359
it that are driving the coverage is this is the

1453
01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:10,319
easy thing to do, This is the one that will

1454
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:13,119
draw the most reaction, whether it's negative or not. And

1455
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:15,880
then the other thing, and this is to give credit

1456
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,600
to the media, like not credit in some defense of

1457
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,960
the media of which we are tangentially a part of.

1458
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,319
There's eighty two games, and you have very little time

1459
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:28,000
and space in between possessions, in between games themselves to

1460
01:11:28,119 --> 01:11:31,000
go if you if you cover more than one team, Like,

1461
01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:34,199
it's just impossible to cover it at the scale of

1462
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:37,279
what NFL writers and media members would do while also

1463
01:11:37,399 --> 01:11:40,000
earning like a reasonable living, because you need to carve

1464
01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:42,479
out time to Actually, it's not just about this is stupid.

1465
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,359
You don't get paid to watch games. You get paid

1466
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:48,000
to produce content. That's what we're paid to do now,

1467
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:51,560
And the watching games and doing the research, it's I

1468
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,560
just think it's harder. I'm not saying the game is

1469
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,800
harder that people who cover the NFL, or I'm not

1470
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,840
saying that by any like media times could run circles

1471
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,079
around probably any NBA x's and zero. But I do

1472
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:04,680
wonder the time or the number of games, coupled with

1473
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,560
the speed of the games, if that just makes it

1474
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,760
harder to get into some of the nuance of the game.

1475
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,439
It's not that fans are stupid, it's not even that

1476
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,199
the media members are stupid. It's just sort of this

1477
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:15,720
logistical hurdle. I went on for way longer than I

1478
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,560
thought what's going on.

1479
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,279
Speaker 2: I think that's all really well said. I don't have

1480
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:21,279
a lot to add what I would. What strikes me

1481
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:23,319
as interesting, though, is that.

1482
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:25,199
Speaker 1: I think if you.

1483
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 2: I think if you give broadcasts, uh, the broadcast broadcasters,

1484
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,199
the people providing the NBA product and pack packaging it

1485
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:38,840
to fans, if you give them a little credit and

1486
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:44,279
assume that what they're doing is what fans want, you know, Like, Hey,

1487
01:12:44,359 --> 01:12:47,279
the reason that we have legacy debates and we talk

1488
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:50,039
about who played harder and wanted it more is because like,

1489
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,119
generally speaking, the average fan is like, I understand that

1490
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:56,560
I like this kind of content. It's the and in

1491
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,079
that you know, that's a problem because it ties into

1492
01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:02,960
like heads doing just rage bait all the time, right, Like,

1493
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:05,439
but people want that, they respond to it, they watch longer,

1494
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,079
we have the numbers, like all that kind of thing.

1495
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:07,319
Speaker 1: Right.

1496
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: So it seems to me that the level of discourse

1497
01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:13,920
that leads to all teams play the same seems to

1498
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,359
be what most fans actually want because everybody with a

1499
01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:20,479
stake in it understands like, well, we should serve fans

1500
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,239
what they want. I don't think networks are necessarily wrong

1501
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,600
or media outlets are wrong in covering the game the

1502
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,680
way that they do, because I think the reverse is

1503
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,399
like if they knew a way to make people more

1504
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:37,239
interested and to keep attention for longer and to drive

1505
01:13:38,119 --> 01:13:40,680
dollars in traffic and whatever more effectively. They would cover

1506
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:41,560
the league that way.

1507
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,520
Speaker 1: So I do think it is like this.

1508
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 2: Is what fans, like capital f fans like generally speaking want.

1509
01:13:48,119 --> 01:13:51,239
But it's so interesting that like it's a feedback loop

1510
01:13:51,279 --> 01:13:55,000
because that's exactly the group that's saying all every team

1511
01:13:55,039 --> 01:13:57,720
plays the same and there's no identity anymore. It's like

1512
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:00,920
you think that because you're being fed nothing but what

1513
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,640
you want, you know, by by the algorithm, by just

1514
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,560
whatever the numbers are telling networks to to say to you,

1515
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,880
does that make sense? Like it just feels like a

1516
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,399
and And the root of it all is that.

1517
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:14,159
Speaker 1: It is easier.

1518
01:14:14,279 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 2: It is easier to say, well, this is what fans want,

1519
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,560
let's give it to them. And it's easier as a

1520
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,319
fan to say, like, I don't know leaning into like

1521
01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:23,680
how many ball screens Team X sets, and like how

1522
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,840
quickly they get into their actions and like positioning on

1523
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,880
the floor, Like I don't have second spectrum, Like how

1524
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:29,720
am I supposed to? Like?

1525
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:31,239
Speaker 1: It's just that I don't.

1526
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people want to engage with basketball

1527
01:14:34,119 --> 01:14:36,720
on the level of granular detail that it would take

1528
01:14:37,119 --> 01:14:41,000
to actually appreciate that teams play differently. I'm not sure

1529
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,039
there's an interest in that.

1530
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,039
Speaker 1: But don't you think that? And I'm and I think

1531
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:47,199
you might be right. And it's especially when it comes

1532
01:14:47,279 --> 01:14:49,760
back to the transaction game in the NBA. It's this way.

1533
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,920
I don't follow any sport as closely as the NBA.

1534
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:55,520
Maybe tennis, but there's you're not there's not trades in

1535
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,840
the individual sport. People like trades. That's just a part

1536
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,439
of It's the same with the like knowing that it's

1537
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,319
the same with MLB for sure. I don't know how

1538
01:15:03,359 --> 01:15:05,239
if it goes hard with the NHL.

1539
01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 2: I don't think anything's quite the same as basketball though

1540
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,000
I don't think. I don't think it gets to that

1541
01:15:09,159 --> 01:15:11,119
level really well.

1542
01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: So one the NBA built it feels like an entire

1543
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,600
generation on free agency, like remember the not forget about

1544
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,800
Lebron leaving and free do you remember the year's long

1545
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,800
lead up to Lebron's free agency? Unlike anything I've ever

1546
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,199
experienced as a sports fan. But what I really want

1547
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:29,439
to ask you is, I think you might be right,

1548
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:30,800
and we know that this is and you and I

1549
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,640
have seen like data on it, just based off the

1550
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,760
stuff that we write and cover and even the podcast,

1551
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,039
Like we know our busiest time of the year is

1552
01:15:37,119 --> 01:15:39,760
when it's the trade deadline, and it's over the off

1553
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,640
season when a lot of podcasts do their worst numbers

1554
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:46,680
because that's when transactions are happening. But doesn't it isn't

1555
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,720
it reasonable to think that if places were willing to

1556
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,119
invest in these types of coverages and stick with them,

1557
01:15:53,159 --> 01:15:54,680
you have to have a stomach for there to be

1558
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,000
some short term pain if you want to shift the

1559
01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:01,279
long term tenor because can we say, what is the

1560
01:16:01,319 --> 01:16:04,039
outlet that has come or the company that has come

1561
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:09,039
closest to providing this that type of analysis consistently and

1562
01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:11,279
then stuck with it. It's it feels like it's going

1563
01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:14,319
to take an iron stomach, which none of us have anymore,

1564
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:17,920
because anything longer than sixty seconds is basically considered long

1565
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,720
form content. Yeah, if you were here at the seventy

1566
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,239
five minute mark of this podcast, still listening, you're probably

1567
01:16:23,279 --> 01:16:27,520
in like the zero zero zero point one percent of listeners.

1568
01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 2: Right like, because talk about an esoteric conversation, We're just

1569
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:31,800
like we're not even like talking about the game. We're

1570
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,640
talking about like the methods of consumption, and like is

1571
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,439
the market driving the content or is the content driving

1572
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,920
It's just like I mean, so it sounds like what

1573
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,560
you're asking is, like, what's the example of the quote

1574
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:49,479
unquote smart basketball media property that has only operated that

1575
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,279
way and has lasted a long time. I don't think

1576
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:55,560
there's anything that rises above the level of like niche.

1577
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,680
And I don't mean that as a pejorative. It's just like,

1578
01:16:58,079 --> 01:17:01,439
I don't know if there's mass appeal, and I'm trying

1579
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:02,399
to think of an example.

1580
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1581
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 2: Let's let's just use like I think dunked On does

1582
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,840
smart basketball discourse and it's very popular for what it is.

1583
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,199
But I can't. I have no idea, Like it's a

1584
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,479
fraction of like your ESPNS and your like your other

1585
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,279
media monsters right that are giving you none of that

1586
01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:22,800
kind of content, but giving you all the legacy talk

1587
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,000
and that this team.

1588
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: Wanted it more.

1589
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: We're painting with a broad brush because there are some

1590
01:17:27,079 --> 01:17:30,279
like ESPN, and just to use them as an example

1591
01:17:30,359 --> 01:17:33,479
or Prime or NBC or whatever, like there's real discussion

1592
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:38,279
of like with nuance and like granular detail and value

1593
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:43,399
hit your micuh and but just just generally speaking, it's

1594
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,920
it's hard to do smart discourse and have it last

1595
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:50,279
shout out.

1596
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:53,359
Speaker 1: That was gonna be our last question. Why don't we

1597
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:56,000
do one more to goes on? Like not the heaviest

1598
01:17:56,039 --> 01:18:00,159
note possible, grant Well, I don't think we're gonna well,

1599
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:01,560
I don't know why I want to do this question.

1600
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,439
I don't think we're gonna close on the happiest note.

1601
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,840
But what would you do if you were running the

1602
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,800
Sacramento Kings right now and you can't can't Let's not

1603
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,600
paint with generalities here to where I would just move everybody.

1604
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,199
Do you like, do any of these guys have real value?

1605
01:18:16,279 --> 01:18:18,680
Or are you better off just sitting them and being

1606
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,279
bad and gutting it out and when they're expiring contracts

1607
01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:23,640
maybe use them to take on bad money attached to picks.

1608
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,800
You're you are controlling the Sacramento Kings right now. Vivek

1609
01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:30,520
has given you actual carte blanche. He hasn't hired your

1610
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,039
next coach before you've been hired, or shoving a coach

1611
01:18:33,079 --> 01:18:35,039
down in your throat. What are you doing with the

1612
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:36,319
Sacramento Kings.

1613
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:42,319
Speaker 2: I think I think it's pretty clear, and I thought

1614
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:44,640
I think BJP by the way I apologize or not,

1615
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,000
I think it's gotta be. We can get more detailed

1616
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,359
about it. But I do think there's an opportunity right now,

1617
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,720
if you're gonna go on the multi year rebuild track,

1618
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:00,840
to really capitalize on it, as in so far as

1619
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,760
you can with flattened lottery odds, because a lot of

1620
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,119
the other teams you'd be worried about being worse than you,

1621
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,079
Washington Washington's in year two, they're the Wizards are gonna

1622
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:12,960
be a little better next year, I don't you know,

1623
01:19:13,039 --> 01:19:15,680
And like your Brooklyn's, there's other teams that are a

1624
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,600
year or two ahead of you in the process. So

1625
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,319
if you are trying to bottom out, I think next

1626
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:24,720
year and maybe the next couple, there's a chance to

1627
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,399
be in like pole position for that right as far

1628
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,239
as as much as that matters. Who knows what they'll

1629
01:19:29,279 --> 01:19:31,119
do with the lottery odds. They might flatten him even

1630
01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:34,479
more towere there's no point. So having said that, I

1631
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:38,560
am willing to take on longer term bad money, which

1632
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,920
you probably have to do to move Levigne specifically right,

1633
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,199
like I think, I.

1634
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:47,359
Speaker 1: Think, I think, I think if he's willing to decline

1635
01:19:47,359 --> 01:19:49,359
his player option and do what Rudy Gobert did in

1636
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:51,319
Minnesota to whear, Okay, what is he at Let's say

1637
01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:52,920
fifty million next year or whatever it is. And he

1638
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,039
declines that and says, hey, I'll sign three for one

1639
01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:57,560
hundred or three for something that makes it more palatable.

1640
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,880
But what I was actually, when you're throw I do

1641
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:02,600
this all the time. Yeah, take back bad money? What

1642
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,880
is the bad money floating around there right now? The team?

1643
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:05,039
Speaker 2: Are you?

1644
01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:08,119
Speaker 1: Are the Sixers compensating you to get off of twelve bead?

1645
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, this might be a Paul George thing. No,

1646
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,439
that's a good point, I guess.

1647
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1648
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: Maybe we can talk in specifics more, but my general

1649
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,319
plan is, like I'm ready for a two to three

1650
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:24,039
year We're gonna be bad. We're gonna, you know, accumulate

1651
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:26,960
draft capital. We'll take shots just the playbook. We'll take

1652
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,399
shots on second draft guys. But we got to get

1653
01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:32,920
out from under the current core. And that might mean

1654
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,439
having like a worse I don't know your right to

1655
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,880
point out like where's this bad money, Like who's who's

1656
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,039
got it? I think you've got to be willing to

1657
01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:44,840
take on wherever that stuff wherever it comes from in

1658
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,159
order to get draft picks to you use or trade

1659
01:20:48,279 --> 01:20:48,840
or whatever.

1660
01:20:49,119 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 1: It's just got to be a full reset.

1661
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 2: Now, if there are specifics you want to get into

1662
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,520
with certain players, we could we can do that.

1663
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,279
Speaker 1: Next. Who We kind of already went over this a

1664
01:20:57,319 --> 01:20:59,840
little bit, But who do you think is their most

1665
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,159
Aside from so, I'm moving Keon Ellis, that's step one.

1666
01:21:03,279 --> 01:21:05,359
It's just that's over with, and I would like to

1667
01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:09,039
move everybody. But realistically speaking, I think I'm coming into

1668
01:21:09,079 --> 01:21:13,720
this by saying I'm not trading Sabonus right now because

1669
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,520
he's injured and I'll get no value for him. Now,

1670
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,880
if teams came with an offer, I guess this would

1671
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,199
actually be the better, more specific question. If teams came

1672
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:25,039
in and they just gave you expiring contracts, that's it

1673
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,239
for Sabonis, for Monk, for everyone. Are you at that

1674
01:21:28,359 --> 01:21:31,119
level of clean house where I don't care whether I'm

1675
01:21:31,159 --> 01:21:34,000
extracting value. I want flexibility and I want to increase

1676
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,720
the value of my own picks moving forward. Are you

1677
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,119
at that point with the Kings.

1678
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 2: Not with Sabonis Because of what you said, I think

1679
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,800
there's he's got this year, next year in the following

1680
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,039
year average value of like forty five million over the

1681
01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:52,199
three Essentially, I think there's some point between now and

1682
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,399
the end of that deal where you can do better

1683
01:21:54,600 --> 01:22:00,319
than the expiring salary. I would hope, and so he him.

1684
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,800
I would need to be getting much more than just like, well,

1685
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,239
you're you don't have forty five and forty eight in

1686
01:22:08,279 --> 01:22:11,319
the next two years to worry about. You're just clearing

1687
01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:14,039
that off. I think there's enough value to be extracted

1688
01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:16,079
from that that you can't quite go that route.

1689
01:22:16,079 --> 01:22:19,399
Speaker 1: Now. For Levigne, I mean maybe.

1690
01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 2: He comes off the books anyway, just out.

1691
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 1: So it would be a good test of how much

1692
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,479
do you loathe Sacramento. Is he just gonna right, just

1693
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:27,359
get me out of here?

1694
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 2: DeRozan's different because he's got that the partial guarantee for

1695
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:35,880
next year. Yeah. I So to answer specifically, I don't

1696
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,359
think you you don't You're not giving up Sabonis just

1697
01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:40,279
for flexibility, right, because what's that even mean?

1698
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: In Sacramento. I am more likely because you can help

1699
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,640
facilitate trades. But I'm with you. It's when even the

1700
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,920
Clippers and the Lakers talk about these Grand Cat or

1701
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,680
Peat grand cash place plants in twenty twenty seven. I

1702
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,359
just come back to why, Yeah, I would be more

1703
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,239
likely to do that. I'd be less likely to just

1704
01:22:58,279 --> 01:23:00,640
take expirings for Sabonis right now than I would is

1705
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,159
the Kings to be like, look at the distressed star

1706
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:06,760
market right now, like who could we get in on

1707
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,840
and try and really just like accelerate this without being oh,

1708
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,520
we didn't give up our twenty twenty six draft pick.

1709
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,199
Could I get Anthony Davis? Could I get LaMelo Ball?

1710
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,039
I would investigate that if I'm not if I'm keeping

1711
01:23:18,039 --> 01:23:20,920
my twenty twenty seven pick, because we talk about teams,

1712
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,640
they weren't tanking out of the gate, but they might

1713
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,600
as well have been, Like they're in position to continue

1714
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:29,520
just racking up those losses. I'm not opposed to them

1715
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,680
doing that, but I'm not doing the thing where I'm

1716
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,880
giving up my twenty twenty six draft pick, which could

1717
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,399
just be in the top five. You can't. But no,

1718
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,520
you can't. But if there was a challenge trade out there,

1719
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,560
if Memphis wanted to get off John Morant's long term

1720
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,199
money and you wanted to roll the dice on that,

1721
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,479
I'll keep going back to the LaMelo Well, that's something

1722
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,239
that I'm not totally opposed to, because I think I

1723
01:23:50,279 --> 01:23:52,960
don't view them as having their best player of the

1724
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,560
next great Kings team on there. They had a chance

1725
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,239
when the Bonus and Fox were there, and they they

1726
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:01,319
fucked it up. They fucked it up. But I'm not

1727
01:24:01,399 --> 01:24:04,600
opposed to the idea of could Sabonis, when he's healthy,

1728
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,119
be partnered with someone else and we are relevant again

1729
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:10,239
and were it feels like we're building towards something without

1730
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:11,640
bottoming out well.

1731
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: Right, because the point of bottoming out would be to

1732
01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:16,119
like if you ended up a two to three year

1733
01:24:17,119 --> 01:24:20,880
bottoming out stretch with the rookie version of LaMelo ball,

1734
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,960
you'd say, like pretty successful, right, Like if you could

1735
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,119
imagine the Kings in Charlotte's position of a few years ago,

1736
01:24:27,159 --> 01:24:28,720
where it's like, hey, this is the guy we got

1737
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,840
now you kind of have a better sense of how

1738
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,439
good LaMelo is now. But like that type of player

1739
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,640
on a rookie scale contract, you would view that as

1740
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,119
like a successful effort, right. So yeah, I think you're

1741
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:44,079
right to give the alternative of if you could just

1742
01:24:44,119 --> 01:24:48,239
get an early to mid twenties star on a rookie

1743
01:24:48,279 --> 01:24:51,800
scale deal like Jaw or even like Davis. Davis is

1744
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:52,399
harder for me.

1745
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 1: But of the jar or LaMelo or.

1746
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 2: Even like I don't know who else are we even

1747
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,079
it's really those those two guys like Trey Young is

1748
01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:03,119
a lot scarier for me.

1749
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,159
Speaker 1: If I'm they think about mid mid twenty stars, is

1750
01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:08,960
that they're just not available generally, well, like.

1751
01:25:09,039 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 2: If and if they are, there's something up like with

1752
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,359
Jaw or with you know, there's there's real questions for sure,

1753
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:16,600
would you do.

1754
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like another name that was

1755
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:21,600
bring to mind, So I'm thinking of ones that aren't

1756
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,800
gonna cost you the farm. This could be a terrible

1757
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,840
functional fit. But I'm also kind of at the point where, well,

1758
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,680
what's at Zion? What happens?

1759
01:25:29,079 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of love the flexibility you get

1760
01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:34,239
with this contract so like because you can get you

1761
01:25:34,399 --> 01:25:37,439
because then it's like, all right, plan Plan A flopped,

1762
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,600
We should have seen this coming. You can't stay healthy.

1763
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,039
Plan B is we just wipe that off the books, right,

1764
01:25:42,039 --> 01:25:44,319
because you can do the same thing with him next year.

1765
01:25:44,359 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: I think this is I'm just playing off your California

1766
01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:50,640
comments from before. If you call that, why.

1767
01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 2: God, I mean, I don't think so. I think I

1768
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,720
would I would take that off the list of things.

1769
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,119
I would try as sacramound we bottom out or you

1770
01:25:59,159 --> 01:26:02,840
go get the mellow or equivalent to sell some some

1771
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,079
hope to fans that like, this might be the guy

1772
01:26:05,319 --> 01:26:06,279
that we can build around.

1773
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 1: This would have to be a three team situation. I mean,

1774
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,079
maybe they'll be interested in King's draft picks. But Darius

1775
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:14,399
Garland might be another name to throw in there.

1776
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's I mean, he shouldn't be.

1777
01:26:17,359 --> 01:26:21,520
Speaker 1: Darius Garland with Domonte Sibonis. I'd probably still prefer Peak

1778
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,479
Clamelo with Sabonis just the size form LaMelo, but that

1779
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,159
offense probably ends up in the top five in the league.

1780
01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: It's it should be good if if Garland can ever

1781
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:31,600
get back to that.

1782
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Do you have one? It's it's super

1783
01:26:35,399 --> 01:26:38,760
quick from Greg war Which former coach would you want

1784
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:39,520
to have on hardwood?

1785
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: Knox Grant former coach?

1786
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,359
Speaker 1: So we can't play. Yeah, So to talk about the

1787
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:52,079
state of the game today, hmm, that's a good question.

1788
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean, stan Van Gundy has got his like got

1789
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,880
a pretty good head on his show, like for a

1790
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,439
for a quote unquote older coach. I think he really

1791
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,479
does appreciate ciate that teams are playing differently, Like that's

1792
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,239
what we're asking, That's what's being asked, right Like, who

1793
01:27:04,279 --> 01:27:07,159
would you like to sort of elucidate what we're talking

1794
01:27:07,159 --> 01:27:09,880
about with respect to like stylistic differences and stuff. He

1795
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,520
would think he would do a good job at that.

1796
01:27:12,319 --> 01:27:16,159
Speaker 1: Does so can we pick anyone who's like what if

1797
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:20,159
they're an assistant right now? Sure? I wouldn't mind talking

1798
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:24,840
to Jeff Fang on d either. Asking Chris Paul questions.

1799
01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:25,279
Speaker 2: Got a lot of questions.

1800
01:27:25,359 --> 01:27:27,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what about Greg Popovich?

1801
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,279
Speaker 2: I was thinking that, Yeah, like we I don't feel

1802
01:27:30,279 --> 01:27:31,520
like he would tell you anything.

1803
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: I think he would.

1804
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 2: He would be like, none of this matters, man, Like,

1805
01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:36,359
let's let's talk about wine.

1806
01:27:38,079 --> 01:27:42,239
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson's a no for me. No, what about pat Riley?

1807
01:27:44,359 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 2: That would be interesting? You think he's still got Yeah,

1808
01:27:47,039 --> 01:27:50,039
I mean he look, he'd let the heat do weird

1809
01:27:50,039 --> 01:27:52,600
stuff on offense this year, so he's he's definitely like

1810
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:56,840
still out there looking for advantages. There's gotta be like

1811
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,359
who would just be like a ton of fun like that.

1812
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: Mike Puttenholzer, I feel like, philosophically, like when you look

1813
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,119
at the way he's running past teams would be interesting,

1814
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:10,199
but he feels toneless when he like, that's just not

1815
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:12,840
someone I could be a good podcast guess. I mean.

1816
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 2: I would have a lot of questions for Taylor Jenkins.

1817
01:28:15,159 --> 01:28:17,680
He's had an interesting couple of years there with Memphis

1818
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:18,399
for a lot of reasons.

1819
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:20,279
Speaker 1: He'd be interesting to talk to him. You're grooming for

1820
01:28:20,319 --> 01:28:22,439
sure would be on the list of those questions. Talk

1821
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,479
about an expert Steve Nash, What was it like coaching

1822
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,119
as a collective with Kyrie and Kevin Duran And actually

1823
01:28:29,119 --> 01:28:31,680
Steve Nash would be He hasn't mind the game with

1824
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,600
Lebron though, so maybe that's yeah.

1825
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 2: I feel like we already know what Andrews got.

1826
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 1: Joe Mazoula.

1827
01:28:38,279 --> 01:28:41,119
Speaker 2: Could you imagine if we had him for like an hour, Like,

1828
01:28:41,159 --> 01:28:43,760
would he get six minutes in and just refuse to

1829
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,159
speak anymore and just like look at us like we're idiots?

1830
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:50,279
I think, yes, yeah, man, he's currently employed though, so

1831
01:28:50,319 --> 01:28:52,079
we can't unless you think he's gonna get fired, we

1832
01:28:52,119 --> 01:28:52,800
can't go with that.

1833
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,239
Speaker 1: Oh, Bratt Stevens would be interesting, right.

1834
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,039
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's another one that he's too cagy. He

1835
01:28:58,039 --> 01:29:00,640
wouldn't say anything. I don't think Okay, we need someone

1836
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,760
that's got who's got like nothing to lose. Yeah, just

1837
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,000
that was like he's not he's not trying to coach again.

1838
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:07,359
Speaker 1: Mike D'Antoni.

1839
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was gonna say don Nelson. Don Nelson

1840
01:29:10,199 --> 01:29:11,600
would would say anything.

1841
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,079
Speaker 1: We all just get like totally blazed out of our

1842
01:29:14,119 --> 01:29:16,479
minds and we're just The thing is.

1843
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 2: Like he's so forthcoming that he has already said a

1844
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,079
bunch of like I don't know if we could get

1845
01:29:21,119 --> 01:29:23,479
anything new out of him, but I would like to

1846
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:24,760
talk to don Nelson.

1847
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:29,199
Speaker 1: Sewan Sween. He's not a bad one. David Blatt is

1848
01:29:29,239 --> 01:29:35,319
still solid. Oh man, Yeah, I don't know.

1849
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 2: There's a lot of good options.

1850
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a ton. I think this is it feels

1851
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,000
like the obvious one. But I would love I'll even

1852
01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:44,720
I hate drinking wine, but I would get the most

1853
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:46,560
expensive bottle of wine possible. Just be able to talk

1854
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,279
who so Greg Popovich and ask him questions about anything

1855
01:29:50,319 --> 01:29:50,880
at everything?

1856
01:29:51,279 --> 01:29:54,279
Speaker 2: Right right? Yeah, I assume if he would answer, because

1857
01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:57,800
like you could ask him, you could ask him like, hey,

1858
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,479
remember when you guys were kind of the first shoot

1859
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,720
a lot of threes and nobody like or like to

1860
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,680
find the value of the corner three, like how did

1861
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:09,039
that conversation start? And like you could just anything, like

1862
01:30:09,119 --> 01:30:11,600
I would love Tim Duncan stories because those don't exist

1863
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,840
because he never talks like you could get all kinds

1864
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:14,880
of great stuff out of there.

1865
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:17,079
Speaker 1: And the Spurs like to get.

1866
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,079
Speaker 2: Back to the kind of where the questions stem from,

1867
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:21,920
Like the Spurs changed how they played a ton of

1868
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,399
times over that dynastic stretch.

1869
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead. They were at the.

1870
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 2: Forefront of like three different like oh shit, this is

1871
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:35,600
how you should play now, like they were nobody.

1872
01:30:35,399 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: I was going to ask about, like what's the coach

1873
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,560
that feels like they've overseen more functional shifts in how

1874
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,800
they actually operate because Tom Thibodeau, as an example, for

1875
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,840
the most part, stubbornly committed to his principles. Phil Jackson

1876
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,319
is the same way. I think even you know, maybe

1877
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:57,399
Eric's currently employed those where Carlisle has changed a bunch,

1878
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:58,760
but those were I.

1879
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 2: Think Carlisle's a really good example because remember like the

1880
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,079
knock on him was like he calls every play and

1881
01:31:04,199 --> 01:31:06,720
just from that to the Pacers style was just like

1882
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,880
the the the distance between those two is vast. I

1883
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,880
just had somebody that I was thinking of the change

1884
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:15,560
that they played. Now I came, I mean again at

1885
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,279
Stanman Gundy, like the Orlando for out thing, and that's

1886
01:31:19,279 --> 01:31:21,760
coming on the heels of like coaching some Miami teams

1887
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,199
that did not play that way. Briefly, I mean so,

1888
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,720
and then I don't know that I can't really pinpoint

1889
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:34,520
how I would describe the Piston's style when he was there. Yeah,

1890
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,279
I don't know. There's a there's a lot. I think

1891
01:31:36,319 --> 01:31:37,800
Carlisle is the guy though, like.

1892
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:42,039
Speaker 1: He just he's Oh, you're talking about the answer my question.

1893
01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, answering your question.

1894
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good one. But Grant, I

1895
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:57,640
also think it's time for stat Petting is back. Do

1896
01:31:57,680 --> 01:31:59,880
you want to go first? We have some joint one,

1897
01:32:00,039 --> 01:32:01,920
We've got some I got some trivia for Grant. How

1898
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:03,359
do you How would you like to begin?

1899
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 2: So? I have some things that that I put together

1900
01:32:06,119 --> 01:32:09,199
for you that I didn't tell you about. I don't

1901
01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:12,279
think I told you I had some. So we're gonna

1902
01:32:12,279 --> 01:32:15,279
go back to an oldie but a goodie here, which

1903
01:32:15,359 --> 01:32:18,840
we haven't done this in a while. Dan, I'm gonna

1904
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,560
give you two teams and a player. You got to

1905
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,600
trade this player, and he's got to go to one

1906
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,920
of these two teams. So it's up to you. You're

1907
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,800
gonna have to justify your decision. Generally speaking, these are

1908
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,119
players we've had in the rumor mill to one extent

1909
01:32:32,199 --> 01:32:32,560
or another.

1910
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 1: So we had in the room, they've they've been podcast before,

1911
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,560
got coaches in the room, got players in the room.

1912
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We're gonna start with LaMelo Ball, Portland Trailblazers or Toronto Raptors.

1913
01:32:44,039 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 2: Where would you like to see him traded more?

1914
01:32:46,119 --> 01:32:48,560
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him in Portland more. That team

1915
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,119
has a good defensive base. And so you said, like

1916
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:56,199
having him if you get to keep Tamani clinging and Denny,

1917
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,880
if that's your four person core moving forward, I'm all

1918
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,920
over it and him and on Handsome if he's still there, Hey.

1919
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 2: I think you would probably get to stay. I like

1920
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,119
the idea of Denny Avdia going against like a defense

1921
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:11,560
that isn't completely dialed into stopping him and him alone.

1922
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,159
Speaker 1: That would be fun, all right.

1923
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,159
Speaker 2: Jonathan kaminga Brooklyn Nets or Sacramento Kings.

1924
01:33:19,319 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm gonna say Brooklyn Nets just because I'm not

1925
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,079
gonna wish the Kings on anyone, even if I wish

1926
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:29,079
better for the Kings fans themselves, and I do think

1927
01:33:29,119 --> 01:33:31,279
that when you kind of look at what's happened with

1928
01:33:31,359 --> 01:33:34,159
Keegan Murray even need Clifford and Keon Ellen. Who's the

1929
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:38,039
organization're gonna trust to develop a younger talent At this point,

1930
01:33:38,079 --> 01:33:40,119
it's not even a question. It would be Brooklyn.

1931
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Speaker 2: I think that's right. Next player, Anthony Davis, Toronto Raptors

1932
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or Atlanta Hawks.

1933
01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:50,520
Speaker 1: Oh man, I think the Raptors. I might be too

1934
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,560
low on Yaka Pertle. I just I understand his importance

1935
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,960
as a screen ear and a decision maker to that team.

1936
01:33:56,319 --> 01:33:58,000
And if you're not gonna have an A plus passer,

1937
01:33:58,039 --> 01:33:59,720
I think all the stuff he does on offense wilcome

1938
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:01,800
that much more important. But if you want to get

1939
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:06,000
bigger and more menacing on your front line, Calmery Boyle,

1940
01:34:06,039 --> 01:34:09,640
Scottie Barnes, and then that's just not Mama's game. I'm

1941
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:10,640
gonna say the Raptors.

1942
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:15,039
Speaker 2: I think I go Hawks. It's close, but just because

1943
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:19,279
they need someone to rebound. And then on paper, the

1944
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:25,439
Davis tray is probably gone. I guess the Davis, Jalen Johnson, Alexander.

1945
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,319
Speaker 1: You could keep Tray. Wouldn't the point be to keep Trey?

1946
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:28,640
If you're well in Atlanta?

1947
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,279
Speaker 2: Yetti Davis or no, you want to have the You

1948
01:34:31,319 --> 01:34:33,000
want to have the bigger conversation about her? Are they

1949
01:34:33,039 --> 01:34:34,079
better with or without him?

1950
01:34:35,079 --> 01:34:38,279
Speaker 1: Challenge? Trade Trey for Anthony Davis. I don't what are

1951
01:34:38,279 --> 01:34:40,319
you doing with Kyrie at that point? In Dallas though?

1952
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:43,800
Is what what are you doing with Ryan Imhart? Do

1953
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:48,000
you go with Brandon Williams? All right? Big name Giannis?

1954
01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 2: I did a coombo going to the San Antonio Spurs

1955
01:34:52,359 --> 01:34:56,479
or the Golden State Warriors, the Knicks or you Dan's

1956
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:57,279
going off the board.

1957
01:35:01,039 --> 01:35:05,199
Speaker 1: I think I think the Spurs. The idea of Giannis

1958
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:09,600
and Steph would be a lot of fun. But Wemby

1959
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:13,119
and Yannis defensively, and they should compliment one another offensively,

1960
01:35:13,159 --> 01:35:16,119
But that might be or do we enter I know

1961
01:35:16,199 --> 01:35:19,359
this is infringing upon Oklahoma City's territory, but if you're

1962
01:35:19,399 --> 01:35:21,800
even keeping one of Steph Castle and Dylan Harper as

1963
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:23,560
part of that, are you just entering the territory of

1964
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,920
Is this maybe gonna be the greatest defense of all

1965
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,720
time in a single season? That's that front line is insane?

1966
01:35:31,239 --> 01:35:34,520
Speaker 2: It's I just think I think it's the Spurs as well.

1967
01:35:35,319 --> 01:35:39,159
And I think it's just because I want to see

1968
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,800
what would happen with Wemby with a player like that

1969
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:43,880
next to him, Like, I just like, what do you so?

1970
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:44,680
What do you do with them?

1971
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: Now?

1972
01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 2: How do you like on either end of the floor?

1973
01:35:48,359 --> 01:35:51,960
Just his ability to roam on offense, Like you can't

1974
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,600
gear maximum defensive attention towards Wemby if Yannis is like

1975
01:35:56,359 --> 01:35:58,960
bowling balling down the lane and just knocking all the like,

1976
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,079
what do you Yeah? So I think that's the right. Okay, Okay,

1977
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:06,880
slightly smaller scale here, Kobe White, Miami Heat or Orlando Magic.

1978
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,119
Speaker 1: Oh man, we're still doing the guard thing with Orlando.

1979
01:36:10,199 --> 01:36:17,359
That's kind of terrifying. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Miami,

1980
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:19,119
I'd be interesting. I think that he could probably fit

1981
01:36:19,159 --> 01:36:21,159
the way they're playing offense really well. I don't know

1982
01:36:21,159 --> 01:36:23,640
what you do defensively with him and Tyler Hero there,

1983
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:27,520
assuming Tyler Hero is still there. But I'd be more

1984
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,760
intrigued with him in Miami just to another team where

1985
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,640
it's oh, do they have the A plus pass or no?

1986
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,479
But now you have a bunch of different decision makers

1987
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:34,000
on the ball.

1988
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 2: All right, A couple more, Lari Markinen probably not getting

1989
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:42,680
traded to the Detroit Pistons or the San Antonio Spurs.

1990
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,239
Speaker 1: Detroit's just like that's the band, and we've already sent

1991
01:36:45,279 --> 01:36:48,199
Youannis to San Antonio. But marketing, I feel you put

1992
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:50,640
him on Detroit in the East and you could probably

1993
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,239
make a case that Detroit might win the East at

1994
01:36:53,239 --> 01:36:53,720
that point.

1995
01:36:54,199 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fit is like just you can't beat it.

1996
01:36:58,359 --> 01:37:01,319
Speaker 1: All right, A couple more. I'm trying to decide which

1997
01:37:01,359 --> 01:37:01,800
to use here.

1998
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:05,199
Speaker 2: Uh, Okay, we haven't talked about this guy. Don't even

1999
01:37:05,279 --> 01:37:06,800
know if he's in the rumor mill.

2000
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,560
Speaker 1: We we might put him there.

2001
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 2: Dylan Brooks Los Angeles Lakers or Toronto Raptors.

2002
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 1: I think the Lakers, I don't. I do believe that

2003
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:19,680
people are underestimating how much adding a non shooter to

2004
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,840
the lineup could impact a team that doesn't take or

2005
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,840
make enough threes as it is already. But they just

2006
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:29,159
need like a big, nasty defensive wing. And yeah, I

2007
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:31,199
want to see him and Lebron on the same I

2008
01:37:31,239 --> 01:37:32,720
absolutely want to see that.

2009
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:35,600
Speaker 2: Be best buddies right away. All Right, I think that's enough.

2010
01:37:36,119 --> 01:37:39,119
Speaker 1: We'd spoiler, al Is, I did put Dylan Brooks in

2011
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:40,960
the rumor mill in something that will be dropping on

2012
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:46,039
Saturday around those parts. Very exciting I have. Is that

2013
01:37:46,079 --> 01:37:48,720
the only thing you have for me? That's it, all right?

2014
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,479
So I have two things that are Grant specific. Are

2015
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:55,399
you ready for the first one? Just some basic trivia here, okay,

2016
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:01,000
Grant Five NBA players have dropped fifty points in a

2017
01:38:01,039 --> 01:38:05,359
regular season or playoff game before their twenty first birthday.

2018
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:10,399
How many can you name? I will give you three strikes.

2019
01:38:11,039 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 2: Fifty in a game before their twenty first birthday. Correct,

2020
01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:19,359
Brandon Jennings.

2021
01:38:21,079 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 1: He is the youngest player in NBA history. Fun fact

2022
01:38:24,359 --> 01:38:26,279
to have hit the fifty point threshold. He did it

2023
01:38:26,319 --> 01:38:28,439
in twenty and nine with fifty five, So you're right

2024
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:35,159
where I was. Lebron he did it twice. You have

2025
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:39,680
two of five. His highest was fifty six points.

2026
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:43,520
Speaker 2: Before their twenty first birthday. Now I'm just in strike territory.

2027
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 1: I feel like you're missing an obvious I thought this

2028
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,520
was the one of the three that you have not gotten.

2029
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,239
I thought was going to be your first pick. If

2030
01:38:51,279 --> 01:38:52,239
that's any consolation.

2031
01:38:52,399 --> 01:38:55,039
Speaker 2: Oh man, does that mean this must be recent?

2032
01:38:55,079 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: Thing, and I'm just.

2033
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,680
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag had forty, right, I don't think he had fifty,

2034
01:39:02,319 --> 01:39:06,119
So I'm not gonna say him, who's another youngish Yeah,

2035
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:14,079
this is gonna get bad. Fifty before twenty one, I

2036
01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:16,600
don't I don't even have anyone coming to mind right now.

2037
01:39:17,079 --> 01:39:19,279
I'll guess Anthony Edwards.

2038
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 1: That is strike one, Okay.

2039
01:39:22,399 --> 01:39:24,239
Speaker 2: I think the strikes are going to come fast and

2040
01:39:24,279 --> 01:39:27,000
furious here. So I'm now trying to think, like, who

2041
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:31,000
who would be obvious? Sure it happened within like the

2042
01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:32,359
last two weeks, and I just.

2043
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:36,520
Speaker 1: Was like locked that it did not happen within the

2044
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:37,119
last two.

2045
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 2: Weeks, all right, Fifty before, Man, this is not this

2046
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,359
is not only is this not a good sign for

2047
01:39:45,399 --> 01:39:47,439
this exercise, this is not a good sign for the

2048
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,319
rest of stat padding. Because my brain is not working

2049
01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:54,279
very well. I will just say I'll just start going

2050
01:39:54,359 --> 01:39:58,800
usual suspects. I'll say Kevin Durant, strike two. Okay, here

2051
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:03,960
comes strike three. I will say, I don't know. I'll

2052
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:05,960
say Wimby. I don't think he has a fifty.

2053
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 1: But he's on there. Three of five. He dropped fifty

2054
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,039
in twenty twenty four. Look at you, grant you need

2055
01:40:11,079 --> 01:40:11,960
to believe in yourself.

2056
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:17,119
Speaker 2: Okay, if you don't believe it, you will, Uncle Dennis, Uh,

2057
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,000
I'll say, Luca.

2058
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: That is strike three. You still did not get the

2059
01:40:22,039 --> 01:40:25,399
name I expected. The two remaining were Kevin Porter Junior

2060
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:29,479
dropped fifty in twenty twenty one. Devin Booker seventy point

2061
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,920
game in twenty seventeen. That's the wow. Seventy point game

2062
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:33,960
is what I thought you would get.

2063
01:40:34,319 --> 01:40:37,319
Speaker 2: No, I did not remember it was that far back.

2064
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:39,399
I don't know how many strikes I would have needed

2065
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,039
for Kevin Porter. I don't think I would have got.

2066
01:40:41,159 --> 01:40:42,560
I totally forgot he had fifty.

2067
01:40:43,159 --> 01:40:45,119
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to get four on that.

2068
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:48,000
I would never have remembered the KPJ one either.

2069
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:52,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Weirdly Booker Booker seventy does not feel that

2070
01:40:52,199 --> 01:40:53,800
long ago, but time as a flat sir.

2071
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 1: No, that's when I saw the year. I was just like,

2072
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:01,560
oh shit, yeah old we washed. This Next one for you,

2073
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:06,800
Grant is where would these NBA MAX salaries ranked today?

2074
01:41:07,039 --> 01:41:10,239
So I'm going to give you an NBA legend and

2075
01:41:10,279 --> 01:41:14,119
you have to guess whether their highest single season salary

2076
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:17,399
for their career where it would rank in today's NBA.

2077
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,199
But I'm going to give you an over under and

2078
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:24,000
then I'll reveal the salary at the Okay, okay, So

2079
01:41:24,079 --> 01:41:27,680
Michael Jordan, would his highest salary of his career have

2080
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,600
been a top fifty salary this season? Yes? Or no?

2081
01:41:31,039 --> 01:41:35,239
Speaker 2: Ooh man, I don't know if he ever made forty.

2082
01:41:37,319 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Top five?

2083
01:41:38,399 --> 01:41:39,800
Speaker 2: Would it be a top You said, would it be

2084
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:40,680
a top fifty?

2085
01:41:41,359 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 1: Correct?

2086
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say yes because I'm pretty sure he made

2087
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:47,279
at least thirty and I think that might be enough

2088
01:41:47,319 --> 01:41:48,520
to get into the top fifty.

2089
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: You are correct, it would have ranked fiftieth, just behind

2090
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,399
Chris Middleton. Michael Jordan's career high was thirty three point

2091
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:56,199
one million dollars.

2092
01:41:56,239 --> 01:41:59,520
Speaker 2: Okay, she keeps a lot of money in like ninety

2093
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:00,720
seven dollars.

2094
01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 1: That is Shaquille O'Neal. Would his highest salary have been

2095
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:10,000
a top fifty salary this season? Oh man?

2096
01:42:10,119 --> 01:42:15,279
Speaker 2: What was Shack's highest salary? That's I think it would have.

2097
01:42:15,319 --> 01:42:16,319
I'm gonna say yes.

2098
01:42:17,079 --> 01:42:20,319
Speaker 1: That is incorrect. It would have ranked sixty fourth. It's

2099
01:42:20,359 --> 01:42:24,039
twenty seven point seven million dollars, just behind RJ. Barrett.

2100
01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 2: The most Shack ever made was twenty seven million.

2101
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, Okay, Carmelo Anthony. Would his career high salary

2102
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:37,079
have been a top seventy five salary this season? I

2103
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:37,960
mean he had to?

2104
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:43,560
Speaker 2: Oh man, so we know that that doesn't even have

2105
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,000
to be that high. That might only need to be

2106
01:42:47,399 --> 01:42:49,560
just over thirty did mellow?

2107
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 1: Ever, man, I.

2108
01:42:50,399 --> 01:42:53,359
Speaker 2: Guess he's been out for a little while. I'm still

2109
01:42:53,359 --> 01:42:55,760
gonna say, yes, it would have been top seventy five.

2110
01:42:56,199 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 1: That is correct. His career high of twenty six point

2111
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:02,359
two million would have ranked sixty ninth, nice, just behind

2112
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:03,840
John Collins.

2113
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:06,479
Speaker 2: So twenty six guy, this is good. I need to

2114
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:10,239
keep this information. Twenty six million is good for top

2115
01:43:10,279 --> 01:43:11,039
seventy five.

2116
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:15,359
Speaker 1: Got it? Derek Rose? Would his career high salary have

2117
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:20,399
been a top eighty five salary this season? All right?

2118
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:26,039
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess he never made more than like twenty

2119
01:43:26,079 --> 01:43:29,479
three million, So I'm gonna guess that was not in

2120
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,560
the top That would not be in the top eighty five.

2121
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:35,079
Speaker 1: You are correct, and this one was bait because Derek

2122
01:43:35,159 --> 01:43:37,520
Rose his career high of twenty one point three million

2123
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,920
would have ranked eighty sixth this season, just behind Vooch.

2124
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:45,880
All right, here we go, Grant Magic Johnson would his

2125
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:50,760
career high salary have been a top three hundred salary

2126
01:43:51,079 --> 01:43:51,680
this season?

2127
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,520
Speaker 2: Well, all I remember is that he signed one of

2128
01:43:55,560 --> 01:44:00,359
those incredibly long contracts, and so I think he was

2129
01:44:00,399 --> 01:44:04,199
stuck making very little for a very long time. So

2130
01:44:04,319 --> 01:44:06,520
I'm gonna say it would not have been in the

2131
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:07,319
top three hundred.

2132
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 1: Your correct? Again, it would have ranked three point one

2133
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:14,279
million dollars, would have ranked three hundred and second, just

2134
01:44:14,359 --> 01:44:21,479
behind Deron Holmes the second. That's tough, Grant Kobe Bryant.

2135
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,840
Would his career high salary have been a top fifty

2136
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:25,880
salary this season?

2137
01:44:28,199 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 2: Oh? What was the number that everybody got all bent

2138
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,039
out of shape? That felt like it was like two

2139
01:44:34,119 --> 01:44:38,119
for forty eight or something back like over ten years ago,

2140
01:44:38,199 --> 01:44:40,920
or like wow, clearly winning's not the most important thing

2141
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,840
to him if he's getting all this from the Lakers.

2142
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:47,319
I definitely made that argument in a past life. Uh,

2143
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:53,119
top fifty, you said, correct? Did he make more than

2144
01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:53,600
twenty s?

2145
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:58,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, yes, that is incorrect. He's thirty point

2146
01:44:58,319 --> 01:45:01,399
four million dollar career high salary ranked fifty ninth, just

2147
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:07,640
behind CJ. McCollum, Tim Duncan. Would his career high salary

2148
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:10,560
have been a top one hundred salary this season.

2149
01:45:11,079 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 2: Hmmm, man, I wish I could remember that what he signed.

2150
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no, it would not have been a

2151
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:23,319
top one hundred. That is incorrect. Twenty two point one

2152
01:45:23,359 --> 01:45:25,920
million was his career high. It would have ranked eighty third,

2153
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:32,520
just behind Kyle Kuzma the compstor great all right, three more,

2154
01:45:33,039 --> 01:45:36,359
Alan Iverson. Would his career high salary have been a

2155
01:45:36,399 --> 01:45:38,560
top one hundred salary this season?

2156
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 2: I gotta say no, that is incorrect.

2157
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:47,039
Speaker 1: It would have ranked eighty ninth, just behind Norman Powell.

2158
01:45:47,039 --> 01:45:52,039
Twenty point eight million. Wow, he made twenty okay? Kevin Garnett.

2159
01:45:52,319 --> 01:45:55,399
Would his career high salary have been a top seventy

2160
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:57,640
five salary this season?

2161
01:45:58,279 --> 01:46:00,039
Speaker 2: If you'd given me top one hundred, I definitely I

2162
01:46:00,039 --> 01:46:02,119
would have said yes. Seventy five makes it harder. So

2163
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:05,159
we knew Mellow at twenty six was just above that.

2164
01:46:06,199 --> 01:46:08,159
Speaker 1: Did Garnett ever make twenty six?

2165
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:11,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, oh, what was I'm gonna say no,

2166
01:46:12,039 --> 01:46:14,319
I'm gonna say it is not inside the top seventy five.

2167
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,079
Speaker 1: That is incorrect. Kevin Garnett's career high salary was twenty

2168
01:46:18,119 --> 01:46:21,520
eight million dollars, which would have ranked sixty third, just

2169
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:22,960
behind Derek White this season.

2170
01:46:25,279 --> 01:46:27,399
Speaker 2: Another Celtics legend.

2171
01:46:27,079 --> 01:46:31,239
Speaker 1: Final one here, Dirk Noavitzky. Would his career high salary

2172
01:46:31,399 --> 01:46:34,720
have been a top seventy five salary in twenty twenty

2173
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:36,000
five twenty six.

2174
01:46:36,399 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no, because he took the sweetheart deal

2175
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,000
towards the end, and those should have been like the

2176
01:46:41,079 --> 01:46:43,359
big Goudie earning years.

2177
01:46:44,319 --> 01:46:47,319
Speaker 1: That is also incorrect. His career high salary is twenty

2178
01:46:47,319 --> 01:46:50,359
five million, which would have ranked seventy second this year,

2179
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:55,279
tied with equally legendary names such as Josh Giddy, Fred

2180
01:46:55,359 --> 01:46:57,279
Van Vliet and Trey Murphy.

2181
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 2: Oh Man I wish Nick Wilson in the chat did

2182
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,560
say inflation adjusted question mark, it'd be interesting to look

2183
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:08,920
at those that Jordan figure thirty years ago making thirty million.

2184
01:47:09,039 --> 01:47:11,000
That's that's got to be up there.

2185
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been as it would have been. I

2186
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:15,800
thought it was confusing enough to explain without adjusting for inflation.

2187
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,920
It also wo I'm just it wouldn't have been stat

2188
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:21,520
padding if we included inflation adjusted. But it was just

2189
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:23,600
funny to see how in a short amount of time,

2190
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,520
how much. It seems like like the mellow stuff to

2191
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,720
where it's oh, that's just twenty six plus million dollars.

2192
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,399
It's like not even a top fifty salary anymore.

2193
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a what a heist it would be to

2194
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:38,079
get a Carmelo Anthony making twenty six million dollars right now?

2195
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:41,359
Speaker 1: So we we have some group ones. Now do we

2196
01:47:41,399 --> 01:47:43,560
want to do? We want to get to those. Yeah,

2197
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:46,960
so let's do should we do the building a lineup

2198
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:48,680
of smalls one? This one seems difficult?

2199
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:50,960
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this was I wish I had like a

2200
01:47:51,079 --> 01:47:52,920
day to research this, but let's dive in.

2201
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so grant, we are tasked with building a starting

2202
01:47:57,039 --> 01:48:01,479
lineup that would rank in the top five defense. Here's

2203
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,199
the catch. None of the players we select can be

2204
01:48:04,279 --> 01:48:07,920
taller than six foot five, and we are maxed at

2205
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:11,239
taking one player from a single team, so we cannot

2206
01:48:11,279 --> 01:48:16,000
just draft Oklahoma City Thunder players ad nauseum, I will

2207
01:48:16,119 --> 01:48:19,600
humbly defer to you for the first pick of this draft.

2208
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:23,319
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna this is such a no brainer pick.

2209
01:48:24,199 --> 01:48:26,760
But and it's you pointed this out. I did not

2210
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:29,039
think there was any way this guy was listed at

2211
01:48:29,039 --> 01:48:31,479
six' FIVE i thought he was, taller but we have

2212
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:33,800
to take, him and we have to burn our thunder

2213
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:36,680
pick BECAUSE i was gonna Take Alex, caruso but you

2214
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,279
pointed out That Jalen williams is listed at six foot.

2215
01:48:39,319 --> 01:48:41,960
FIVE i don't believe, it but we're going with it

2216
01:48:42,279 --> 01:48:45,359
because we need somebody that can guard up and it's

2217
01:48:45,399 --> 01:48:46,359
really hard to find.

2218
01:48:46,399 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: That any.

2219
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,720
Speaker 2: Play we're gonna have no problem like with the, ballhawk

2220
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:53,439
jumping passing lanes, guys but we got to have someone

2221
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:57,079
that can credibly guard almost any four and did spend

2222
01:48:57,079 --> 01:49:00,279
time last year as like an elite rim. Defender remember

2223
01:49:00,319 --> 01:49:02,159
that that was a fun stretch of last season When

2224
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:04,560
sido was like one of the best rim protectors in the.

2225
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 1: League he's the rim protector on this. Team he's still

2226
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:10,760
contesting over forty percent of opponent shots when he's on the.

2227
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:13,159
Floor he's the rim protector on this. Team, IMMEDIATELY i

2228
01:49:13,159 --> 01:49:15,399
don't know who else we were, Draft, no it's got

2229
01:49:15,399 --> 01:49:18,199
to be. HIM i will say that does Remove Cason,

2230
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:20,960
Wallace Alx, caruso And Lou dort and Aj mitchell if

2231
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:25,520
you're so inclined from the board pick number. Two now

2232
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:27,680
this is already getting, tough isn't. It, Yeah i'm Gonna

2233
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:33,119
i'm gonna go With Jalen. Suggs, yeah he is pretty,

2234
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:36,359
strong and he is just an absolute menace and is

2235
01:49:36,359 --> 01:49:38,680
gonna be able to force a ton of. TURNOVERS i

2236
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:41,920
don't trust him to guard up as, much BUT i

2237
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:43,960
think that you could put him on bigger players and

2238
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,079
have him uck up a ton of possessions away from the,

2239
01:49:46,119 --> 01:49:48,920
ball because it will probably be easier as we go

2240
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:51,199
through this to find guys who can defend the ball.

2241
01:49:51,279 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 2: Adequately we don't care about, offense Right we're the top

2242
01:49:56,840 --> 01:50:00,760
five Defense, okay cause not Saying i'm picking, him But

2243
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:05,159
Anthony edwards, qualifies and, like if we care to help

2244
01:50:05,279 --> 01:50:09,439
the rebounding overall quality of the, Team we're not going

2245
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:13,840
to go that. Route, MAN i THINK i think this

2246
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,000
guy's too, old But i'm still we still have to

2247
01:50:17,039 --> 01:50:20,800
be able to guard. Up AND i Think Drew holliday

2248
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:24,239
can still do well against like finger wings and. FORWARDS

2249
01:50:24,279 --> 01:50:26,159
i don't like him against ones and twos.

2250
01:50:26,199 --> 01:50:29,119
Speaker 1: Anymore but can we play him just the first fifteen

2251
01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:31,000
games of the, Season that's the? Thing?

2252
01:50:31,159 --> 01:50:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah are we? Sure are we worried ABOUT i guess

2253
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:34,880
we're only drafting five, guys so we're not like depth

2254
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:37,279
is not a. Consideration you can talk me Off Drew,

2255
01:50:37,279 --> 01:50:40,439
holiday BUT i do think we still need someone that

2256
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:43,359
you can throw on forwards like The we're gonna be

2257
01:50:43,359 --> 01:50:46,000
fine in the. BACKCOURT i Just i'm struggling to find

2258
01:50:46,039 --> 01:50:49,880
someone THAT i like better as like A i, mean

2259
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,159
like he what he, Started Kevin durant like in the playoff.

2260
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: Series CAN i throw this out from a rebounding guarding up,

2261
01:50:57,039 --> 01:50:59,960
perspective we're still pick number three. Here, Yeah Josh. Hart

2262
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:06,000
he's not shutting anybody. Down he's not turning off the

2263
01:51:06,039 --> 01:51:07,439
water the way That Drew holliday.

2264
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:10,319
Speaker 2: Would the rebounding is is a big deal, though like

2265
01:51:10,359 --> 01:51:13,000
you're you can't just it doesn't matter how effective you have.

2266
01:51:13,079 --> 01:51:15,359
Speaker 1: Toossessions, yeah, right you got to end the.

2267
01:51:15,359 --> 01:51:18,760
Speaker 2: POSSESSION i think there's room For Josh. Hart there's no

2268
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:23,640
Other bridges is too, tall og is obviously too. Tall

2269
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:26,479
there's nobody else you'd think about on The Knicks, McBride

2270
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:29,279
it'd probably Take heart because of the. Rebounding all, Right

2271
01:51:29,279 --> 01:51:31,359
i'm gonna Allow Josh. HART i THINK i think we

2272
01:51:31,399 --> 01:51:33,920
can work with. That we do need, rebounding.

2273
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,079
Speaker 1: So my pick was going to. Be ACTUALLY i Had

2274
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:39,840
Anthony edwards in my. Head oh, really BECAUSE i WANT

2275
01:51:40,039 --> 01:51:42,800
i want the rebounding and he gives you a little

2276
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,239
bit of, that and it's now can he guard? UP

2277
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:47,520
i don't, know but we know he when he's locked,

2278
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:51,039
in he can turn off the water of elite. Players

2279
01:51:51,079 --> 01:51:54,359
AND i don't know if we're using J dubb as

2280
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:57,520
kind of our back line. Guy so you Have, Sugs

2281
01:51:58,239 --> 01:52:01,239
Anthony edwards and Because Josh hart's not going to be

2282
01:52:01,239 --> 01:52:02,479
that guy if he's on the, Team so we have

2283
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:04,159
two guys that we're not gonna use in that.

2284
01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:08,039
Speaker 2: CAPACITY i, mean you could Go Chris dunn if you,

2285
01:52:08,079 --> 01:52:13,000
want like the on Ball Derek white To Derek white's

2286
01:52:13,039 --> 01:52:17,439
another pretty clear one good shop blocker for a. Guard

2287
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:20,760
so who are our definites right? Now suggs is on,

2288
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:22,520
It jado's on.

2289
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,279
Speaker 1: It i'm kind of not married to anybody.

2290
01:52:25,359 --> 01:52:31,119
Speaker 2: Else, OKAY i Think, HEART i. DON'T i, mean is

2291
01:52:31,159 --> 01:52:34,720
there a better defender Than? Hart, probably but the rebounding

2292
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:38,479
is if HE i think maybe we both looked At.

2293
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:40,479
EDWARDS i think we put it better Put edwards on the.

2294
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:42,319
Speaker 1: Team, Okay i'm with.

2295
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:45,319
Speaker 2: That So edwards is there with what About Niki Alexander.

2296
01:52:45,359 --> 01:52:49,399
Speaker 1: WALKER i, DO i do love naw.

2297
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:56,159
Speaker 2: He guard up a little, bit is? He do you

2298
01:52:56,279 --> 01:53:02,520
like him better Than hart Done white or guarding?

2299
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:07,920
Speaker 1: UP i might like him better Than Derek. White he's

2300
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:10,359
also contested an insane number of shots at the rim

2301
01:53:10,399 --> 01:53:11,760
this year To Nikil Alexander.

2302
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:15,640
Speaker 2: Walker, YEAH i kind of just Want Derek white, Now,

2303
01:53:16,279 --> 01:53:19,319
OKAY i care too much about the, offense BUT i

2304
01:53:19,399 --> 01:53:20,359
Think Derek white's really.

2305
01:53:20,359 --> 01:53:24,239
Speaker 1: Good, Okay so we Have Derek, White Anthony, Edwards Jalen,

2306
01:53:24,279 --> 01:53:28,039
suggs And Jalen. Williams that is already. Good. Four we

2307
01:53:28,079 --> 01:53:28,439
need one?

2308
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:32,279
Speaker 2: More, yeah we needed. This. Now this guy's gotta BE

2309
01:53:34,399 --> 01:53:36,880
i don't know if this player, exists he's gotta he has.

2310
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:38,920
To maybe it needs to be heart because of the

2311
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:44,399
rebounding and the playing up. Stuff Just Dyl, brooks he's

2312
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:46,800
got to be six seven or six.

2313
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 1: Six if he's six,' five i want to medal because

2314
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:54,279
that becomes the. Obvious, Pick, correct yeah you are you

2315
01:53:54,319 --> 01:53:56,119
looking it up? Right now i'm looking. Up Now So

2316
01:53:56,199 --> 01:53:58,760
dylan BROOKS on nba dot com is what will agree

2317
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:02,800
what we agree. To use he is listed at six,

2318
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,880
Foot seven. Holy ship that's bigger's. Too big, he was.

2319
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:09,880
HM hmmm i thought he might be six. OR five

2320
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:13,479
I thought i could sneak it. IN there i think we.

2321
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:15,239
BETTER go i.

2322
01:54:15,279 --> 01:54:16,760
Speaker 2: Don't know do you feel like if We, pick heart

2323
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:20,000
everybody's gonna, be, like actually his defensive numbers are not?

2324
01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:24,279
Speaker 1: That, GOOD yeah, i, MEAN yes. I do. I'm trying

2325
01:54:24,359 --> 01:54:26,760
i'm just trying to think of WHO what, i mean

2326
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:29,279
we really, want to like to we go with Like

2327
01:54:29,319 --> 01:54:33,720
A drew Smith in. MIAMI ord, I.

2328
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:35,399
Speaker 2: Mean I think i think we.

2329
01:54:35,439 --> 01:54:37,079
Speaker 1: Should GO so I think holiday is.

2330
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:41,079
Speaker 2: A candidate we Haven't Mentioned marcus.

2331
01:54:41,079 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 1: Smart either we don't. Need to, that's fine That's fine

2332
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:48,520
Smart And. Drew holiday I'm Taking drew holiday. NINE times

2333
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:49,119
I think i.

2334
01:54:49,159 --> 01:54:52,000
Speaker 2: Am Too gary payton the second should be mentioned because

2335
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,119
that's why he's in the league, is defense but and

2336
01:54:54,199 --> 01:54:58,720
he's technically a. Power forward We Took Derek White.

2337
01:55:00,399 --> 01:55:05,079
Speaker 1: Io desumu to do some. OF that I think i

2338
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:08,359
think we might Be At drew, holiday territory or at

2339
01:55:08,399 --> 01:55:09,039
least the Idea Of.

2340
01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:11,399
Speaker 2: DREW holliday i Think it's Holiday, or heart and it's

2341
01:55:11,439 --> 01:55:14,680
just DO you I think holiday is not going to Rebound,

2342
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:19,359
like heart which might be, what Matters, but holidays JUST

2343
01:55:19,399 --> 01:55:20,880
like I think holiday is still probably a.

2344
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 1: BETTER defender i Would. Vote holiday I'll vote holiday too

2345
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,119
because even some of. The Names max pristy doesn't throw.

2346
01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:30,119
That out so we ended Up With, Jalen Williams, Drew Holliday,

2347
01:55:30,439 --> 01:55:34,279
Anthony Edwards, jalen Suggs And. DEREK white i think that

2348
01:55:34,319 --> 01:55:39,600
team right ranks top five. In defense, say no. IT'S

2349
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:41,600
not i Mean Having antony Edwards And derek white goes

2350
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:43,960
a long, way There and jabb we have we have

2351
01:55:44,079 --> 01:55:47,760
what two number two options and a number one option on.

2352
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:52,000
The team? Pretty, good okay are? YOU ready i. INVENTED

2353
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:53,760
this i don't know if it's, out There, grand sorry

2354
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:56,359
are you ready to do A game? I invented i'm?

2355
01:55:56,840 --> 01:56:03,880
So ready, start bench, trade cut. Friendly, fire addition we

2356
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:07,479
begin With The San. Antonio spurs our four player Pool Is,

2357
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:12,039
steph Castle, Dearon Fox, Dylan Harper. Devin vasselle so you

2358
01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:13,000
have to take the lead on.

2359
01:56:13,039 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 2: This team, All right i'm. Gonna, start oh this is

2360
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:21,720
this is. Already hard the start should. Be easy you

2361
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:23,199
Know Where i'm you Know what i'm gonna. Do here

2362
01:56:23,239 --> 01:56:26,600
i'm going To Start, STEPH castle i am going to

2363
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:30,800
BENCH what i thought you were? Gonna, do, Wow Bench,

2364
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:35,840
DYLAN harper i am going to Trade, dearon FOX and

2365
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:39,760
i am going To Cut. Devin vassell sorry. To Everybody

2366
01:56:40,199 --> 01:56:41,239
wall what order would you have?

2367
01:56:41,279 --> 01:56:44,000
Speaker 1: GONE there I think i would Have flipped Harper. In, castle,

2368
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:47,439
okay FINE but I find i kind of saw where

2369
01:56:47,439 --> 01:56:51,840
you were Going with Fox. And, vissel yeah, all right

2370
01:56:52,079 --> 01:56:54,039
do you want me to give you the? Next, one yeah? Let's,

2371
01:56:54,039 --> 01:56:54,800
alternate yeah.

2372
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 2: All right so For The, Washington wizards dan, start, bench

2373
01:56:59,119 --> 01:57:03,720
trade Cut, Bilaal, Kolabali, keishawn George, Trade Johnson.

2374
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 1: Alex sar i'm going To Start. Alex sar i'm going

2375
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:18,239
To Bench. Keishawn, GEORGE ah i can't. Do this I'm

2376
01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:24,520
gonna i'm Gonna Trade blahkola bali And Cut. TREY johnson

2377
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:26,520
i don't feel confident in that last. Part though.

2378
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:28,880
Speaker 2: That's tough the trade in the cut is like you

2379
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:29,760
don't want to do either.

2380
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:32,359
Speaker 1: Of those but that's why this is A tough i

2381
01:57:32,399 --> 01:57:34,439
Think would blah get what Would trade johnson be the

2382
01:57:34,439 --> 01:57:38,439
one who got more in? A trade? Right now, OOH

2383
01:57:39,079 --> 01:57:41,520
uh i don't.

2384
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,359
Speaker 2: THINK so i don't. Think so that's. The thing you're

2385
01:57:44,479 --> 01:57:47,319
almost complimenting the guy you trade because, you're, saying yeah

2386
01:57:48,119 --> 01:57:49,640
You're help you're helping us by getting.

2387
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:55,319
Speaker 1: Us Something The Oklahoma city thunder grant start, bench Trade, Cut,

2388
01:57:55,439 --> 01:58:01,159
Chet Holmgren, Alex Caruso, cason Wallace And. Jalen Williams, SO jada.

2389
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 2: I am going To. Start jadob i'm Gonna. BENCH chet

2390
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:10,800
i am GOING to i think you get More, For

2391
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:14,399
Wallace so i'm Gonna trade Wallace and i'm Gonna. Cut

2392
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,279
Caruso the thunder just got a.

2393
01:58:16,279 --> 01:58:22,560
Speaker 1: LOT worse I think i probably would have done what you.

2394
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:25,399
Speaker 2: DID good, i mean that's how we know. It's Wrong

2395
01:58:26,359 --> 01:58:30,800
The houston rockets. Are next dan start, bench Trade cut

2396
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:34,199
Alpha and Shangoun. Read shepherd you know where. That's Going

2397
01:58:34,439 --> 01:58:37,359
Jabari smith junior And A. Men thompson this is the

2398
01:58:37,399 --> 01:58:37,960
hardest one.

2399
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:42,239
Speaker 1: So Far so i'm going To start Alpa. And shangoon

2400
01:58:43,279 --> 01:58:47,159
i'm going to Bench. READ shepherd i am going To

2401
01:58:47,279 --> 01:58:52,640
Trade amen thompson And Cut Jabari. SMITH junior i think

2402
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:55,359
to me it comes DOWN to i do Believe that

2403
01:58:55,439 --> 01:58:58,079
Shangun and shepherd will be better at driving offenses for

2404
01:58:58,119 --> 01:59:00,880
an entire Team than thompson and you could probably get

2405
01:59:01,159 --> 01:59:04,439
so Much From hen thompson in a trade, right, Now.

2406
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,000
Speaker 2: Argue yeah could you get more? FOR him i think

2407
01:59:07,039 --> 01:59:09,439
you probably still get More, for Shingoon. But thompson would

2408
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:10,439
you get a haul for?

2409
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:14,359
Speaker 1: That? Guy YEAH so i feel confident in. THAT decision

2410
01:59:14,479 --> 01:59:16,640
i might, have Started. Read Shepherd maybe i'll regret. That

2411
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:22,319
one Grant Your New. York knicks start bench Cut, trade, Ognanobi,

2412
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:24,800
McHale Bridges, mitchell Robinson And Karl.

2413
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:30,479
Speaker 2: Anthony towns, ALL right i am starting O g i,

2414
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:37,880
am oh, All right i'm Benching McHale bridges And, trading

2415
01:59:39,239 --> 01:59:43,239
CAT and i Am Cutting. MITCHELL robinson i don't know

2416
01:59:43,279 --> 01:59:45,039
what you're Getting, for cat but he can't be a

2417
01:59:45,079 --> 01:59:46,920
starter a BENCH so I don't i don't know what to.

2418
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:49,279
Speaker 1: Do, THERE yeah I think i think that's Right Because,

2419
01:59:49,279 --> 01:59:52,000
mitchell robinson with the health stuff and the, lower salary

2420
01:59:52,039 --> 01:59:53,800
what are you gonna get for him in a? Trade? Anyway,

2421
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:57,840
yeah yeah. All Right, Charlotte horns oh this is, Me

2422
01:59:57,920 --> 01:59:59,560
sorry i'm, gonna yeah this has to.

2423
01:59:59,479 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 2: Be well this isn't gonna be that hard. For you

2424
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:07,760
start bench, Trade Cut, LaMelo, Ball, Miles Bridges, Conk Nipple

2425
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:09,079
brandon Miller.

2426
02:00:10,039 --> 02:00:12,479
Speaker 1: Oh Man So LaMelo. I'm starting that'll surprise no one

2427
02:00:12,479 --> 02:00:17,279
who listens to. This Podcast maybe. I'm pilled i'm Gonna Bench,

2428
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:21,640
conka Nipple Trade brandon Miller And. Miles BRIDGES good gtfo

2429
02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:22,159
he could.

2430
02:00:22,159 --> 02:00:25,560
Speaker 2: Be cut that's the correct order unless you want to

2431
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:29,479
go Your. Trading lamello but that's. Not you that's not

2432
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,199
a move you, would Make so i'm.

2433
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:31,680
Speaker 1: Not would you have.

2434
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 2: MADE it i think it's more interesting if You, start Canipple,

2435
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:39,199
bench Miller trade LaMelo And. Cut bridges bridges is the

2436
02:00:39,279 --> 02:00:41,960
easiest cut we've had of, any TEAM and i don't

2437
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:43,279
think that's gonna change the rest of.

2438
02:00:43,319 --> 02:00:49,199
Speaker 1: The Way Grant portland trailblazers, start, bench, Trade Cut, Tamani Kamara,

2439
02:00:49,399 --> 02:00:52,439
Donovan Klingen, scoot Henderson And. Shaden sharp this is.

2440
02:00:52,479 --> 02:00:56,560
Speaker 2: Fucking hard this is really hard because there's it's just

2441
02:00:56,720 --> 02:01:02,079
completely four totally, different players, All right so the starter

2442
02:01:02,359 --> 02:01:04,800
is something it's like you can't miss on. The starter

2443
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:10,079
so a prisoner of the. Moment situation, RIGHT now I

2444
02:01:10,119 --> 02:01:15,760
think I'm starting Shade, and sharp which who And then

2445
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:20,399
i'm gonna Bench To. Moni kamara i'm going To trade

2446
02:01:20,479 --> 02:01:22,920
Scoot and i'm gonna cut clinging.

2447
02:01:23,479 --> 02:01:27,479
Speaker 1: Wow yousing so You thing scoot. HAS More i i'm

2448
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:30,279
probably tantalized By the Shade and sharp. Upside too and

2449
02:01:30,319 --> 02:01:32,399
if you're not gonna, pick him if you're saying you're

2450
02:01:32,439 --> 02:01:35,039
gonna start so, and so so you're kind of just

2451
02:01:35,439 --> 02:01:37,760
like just out on any of these guys becoming a

2452
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:41,479
cornerstone at, that point Unless. It's, scoot yeah.

2453
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 2: IT'S tough, i MEAN like i think before, THE season

2454
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:45,880
i probably would Have said I'd pay kamara MORE than

2455
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:47,760
i Would pay Shade, And sharp but that would have

2456
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:51,119
been a dumb thing. To say sharp's upside is still,

2457
02:01:51,159 --> 02:01:55,279
just yea, Who, knows right. That's tough if You throw avdia,

2458
02:01:55,359 --> 02:01:57,079
in there everything gets a. Little simpler but.

2459
02:01:57,279 --> 02:02:01,279
Speaker 1: That's why that's why he wasn't in it, All Right

2460
02:02:01,399 --> 02:02:06,199
Memphis Grizzlies, Dan, Start, Bench, Trade Cut, Cedric Coward, Zach

2461
02:02:06,439 --> 02:02:12,920
Edy Jaron. Jackson Jr And. John, morant okay so this

2462
02:02:13,079 --> 02:02:15,640
is harder if you're thinking about gaming out the. Actual

2463
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:21,239
FRANCHISE but i am going To Start Jaron. Jackson, Jr Bench,

2464
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:28,760
cedric coward, do, It Trade zach Edy And Cut. Jahn

2465
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:31,560
morant what is his trade value? Right now are you

2466
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:34,560
seriously give me the team that is giving up a

2467
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:36,680
first round Pick For john morant? RIGHT now i think

2468
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:38,800
maybe this is Stupid Because. Zach edie what are they

2469
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,079
giving Up For zach edy with? The, health yeah you

2470
02:02:41,199 --> 02:02:44,319
have to you have To Trade, john Morant Cut.

2471
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:48,439
Speaker 2: Zach edy the thing the takeaway here is there's no

2472
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:52,159
scenario where you start Or. Bench jaw he's firmly in

2473
02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:54,479
the trade. Or cut this is how every front office

2474
02:02:54,479 --> 02:02:56,199
should make. Its decisions they should all get in a

2475
02:02:56,239 --> 02:02:58,760
room and just, play, start, bench, trade cut and then

2476
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:01,159
that's How you that's how you game out the.

2477
02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:07,439
Speaker 1: Trade. Deadline mike the friendly fire of it all was,

2478
02:03:07,439 --> 02:03:10,199
interesting too because it's normally just players from. Different teams

2479
02:03:10,399 --> 02:03:12,079
but when you're starting to think about it from the same,

2480
02:03:12,239 --> 02:03:15,600
organizational perspective it. Gets harder maybe we should bring if you,

2481
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:17,920
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2482
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:20,560
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2483
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:22,680
ELSE grant i don't think so that's a.

2484
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:26,159
Speaker 2: Good invention i'll just say that because you have to

2485
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:32,039
be a super big trend not to, my knowledge so

2486
02:03:32,239 --> 02:03:34,760
it's new. To, ME no i think that's gonna Do

2487
02:03:34,760 --> 02:03:37,560
it thanks everybody for your. Mailback submission sorry if we

2488
02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:39,359
didn't get, to you we'll try to get it, next

2489
02:03:39,359 --> 02:03:41,600
time and thanks for the in the moment comments. As,

2490
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:46,000
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2491
02:03:46,039 --> 02:03:47,880
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2492
02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:50,760
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2493
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:53,319
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2494
02:03:53,399 --> 02:03:53,920
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