WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.320 Welcome back to Babylon. 2 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:03.160 We had the podcast last We actually crew that as 3 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:05.839 watching and breaking down episodes of Babylon five. We just 4 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:10.439 watched season three, episode two, Convictions, in which a lot 5 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:11.359 of stuff went. 6 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:14.439 Bruce shoved a calm link up his butt. 7 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:17.839 That might be the most important thing. 8 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:21.199 Sorry, it makes me happy because every other show they 9 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:23.480 always talk about it and they never do it in 10 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:23.920 this show. 11 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:28.600 You just like shut show delivered and he didn't hesitate. 12 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:29.760 Didn't even have a flared base. 13 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.479 That truly did. Stephen Franklin was going to have to 14 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:35.399 figure that one out. 15 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:41.359 Yes, the Babylon podcast was our last best hope for 16 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:50.600 a concise discussion. It failed, but in the Year of 17 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:56.759 the Great Tangents it became something better, our last best 18 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:59.960 hope for clarity. 19 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:01.840 The year is twenty twenty six. 20 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:07.719 The place wherever you get your podcasts. 21 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.200 We should introduce ourselves before we get into the nitty 22 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:12.439 gritty about that. 23 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:13.799 I've know that what I call. 24 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:16.439 Hey. 25 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:19.959 Hey, my name is Jenny. 26 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.159 I'm a big fan of the show and I've watched 27 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:23.680 it through many times. 28 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.480 My name is Jen, I'm a screenwriter and how runner. 29 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.280 I watched the show back in the day and I'm 30 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:28.799 watching it. 31 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:32.480 Again, Gus actor, first time watcher. 32 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:39.680 Ali, I'm a lot of stuff and Jen's like Jens 33 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:43.280 like say it, say it. Hey, I'm a sure runner 34 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:44.439 and an actor. 35 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:48.280 And go watch the reaction for more context. 36 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:52.680 A sure runner and actor. And this is my first 37 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:54.079 time watching Babylon five. 38 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:56.799 It's very exciting. 39 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:02.359 Before we get into the uh nitty gritty. I'm gonna 40 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:04.359 use the phrase again and it makes me uncomfortable now. 41 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.759 This episode was written by JMS and directed by Believe 42 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:09.719 Michael Behart. 43 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:10.560 Oh he's back. 44 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:13.919 Yeah, I think so. Let me just double check that 45 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:15.280 before because I got it wrong in one. 46 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:17.000 Well, that's because the Lakers was wrong. 47 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:19.479 The other side was wrong. 48 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:22.159 The Lurkers guy was right. The other side was the 49 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:24.479 other side that I used was wrong. This one is 50 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:25.919 right and is Mike Mayhart. 51 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:28.120 Yeah, And. 52 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.400 I guess before I added to this, you kept like 53 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:36.159 you were talking about bombings in the reaction. This episode 54 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:39.599 dropped November thirteenth, nineteen ninety five. 55 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:41.520 Yeah, Jen's Dodding. 56 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:46.159 Oklahoma City bombing happened April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, so 57 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:51.199 this is almost certainly a response to that. 58 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.039 And I was like, wasn't there a bombing in the 59 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:55.759 nineties that was very important. 60 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.240 Yes, and it was, and it was this this character 61 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:02.159 was like obviously based on that, Like it was the 62 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.080 I haven't been understood. I've been like, you know, like 63 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:06.560 no one oh respects me. 64 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:08.639 A lot of people say that about Timothy mcveay. 65 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.759 Timothy yvay was like he had copies of the Turner 66 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:14.599 Diaries in his car, which is like a racist white 67 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.280 people have managed to kill all the rest of the 68 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:20.000 people in the world and we now have a white utopia. 69 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.919 Like it sounds like a deeply misunderstood individual. 70 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.199 Exactly, he was a racist. He was a racist white supremacist. 71 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:31.400 But for some reason, what a surprise, a racist white 72 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:33.400 supremacist does other shitty stuff. 73 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:36.639 Yeah, we talk about it, like we don't know what. 74 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:41.639 He had ages from his favorite chapters of the Turner 75 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:42.719 Diaries in his. 76 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.759 If you've read the monoc so you have favorite chapters, 77 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:46.800 you're a shitty human. 78 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:48.680 Probably something wrong going on there. 79 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.120 Exactly, exactly. 80 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.680 Listen, I know we're in the we're in the like, oh, 81 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:55.520 this war criminal is a complex character. 82 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.639 But no, no, no, no, no, no, Look that character 83 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:02.599 is a complex character. The bomber man was not a 84 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:03.599 complex character. 85 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:06.080 Yeah, he was just a dickhead. 86 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:07.400 He was just an asshole. 87 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:09.639 Yeah, I will say I doubt that. 88 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:11.759 I don't know that that was common knowledge that he 89 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:13.759 had to the Turner Diaries in his car at the 90 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:14.879 time of this episode. 91 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.399 But I just find it frustrating that people still say that. 92 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.959 About Timothy Day, like, oh, we don't know what the 93 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.879 guy was a racist, white supremacist who thought that white 94 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:24.600 people should. 95 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:24.839 Rule the world. 96 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:26.160 Sometimes people are just. 97 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:34.319 Yes, yes, so yeah, anyway, So yeah, this episode in 98 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.519 which something got shoved up Bruce's butt. 99 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:37.160 That's the main thing. 100 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:39.279 That's the main thing. 101 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:41.639 That's all I really want to talk about for the. 102 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:43.879 Next I mean, I told you that this is true. 103 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:45.639 I don't remember this episode. I don't think I saw 104 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.600 this one and back in the day, and it is 105 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:49.040 a very much of a one off episode. 106 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.399 I mean remember watching the episode where he showed something 107 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:53.000 up his ass. 108 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:54.879 Yes, so when I said, but he said where should 109 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.680 I put it? And I yelled, up your butt. I 110 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:00.639 didn't actually think he was gonna put also yelled that 111 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.040 we both did, and he did. He did exactly what 112 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:04.720 we told him to do. 113 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.199 So once they follow my instructions. 114 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:10.759 Exactly, it makes me happy in the show because like 115 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:12.920 every show, they say it and then it's like a 116 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.120 joke and then it doesn't happen, and it and it 117 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:17.879 was a plot point because it was up his butt 118 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:23.279 and then he sat down and that's what alerted him. 119 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:28.120 It's it's just look, I recognized that laughing at this 120 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:32.439 is perhaps somewhat immature. Sure, then who. 121 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.399 Gives a ship. It's funny as fuck. 122 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:39.240 This is the thing. Here's the thing. Immaturity is underrated. 123 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:42.920 What are we doing so seriously? Why are we taking 124 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.079 life so seriously? We're in meat suits. 125 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:48.920 That's funny. 126 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:50.800 We're meat. 127 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.720 We're meat donuts. That's what humans are. We're just meat donuts. 128 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:55.360 We have like a big hole in the middle. 129 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:56.560 And it's. 130 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.600 Guyton about the fact that we got a big hold. 131 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:03.519 And you know, you're full of bones. 132 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:08.519 A machine machine to know, you know they're a machine. 133 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.959 Sorry, you're a brain full of bones piloting a meat 134 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.279 suit on some bones. You're a gun. Congratulation. 135 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:17.360 Your bones, all your bones are wet. 136 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.519 They're just bones are wet. Yeah, yeah, your bones are wet. 137 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:23.839 I'm gonna leave anyway. 138 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:26.399 Never mind, that's donuts with wet bones. 139 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:31.920 I have boundaries now, I have boundaries. Now, okay, I'm sorry, 140 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:33.720 I have boundaries now. 141 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.560 But it was funny, like Garibaldi was like, turn up 142 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.439 the volume, we'll hear what you had for lunch. Like 143 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:40.600 it was all they knew. 144 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:43.079 What they were doing was funny. Gat that was good. 145 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.439 This is really good. This episode was really good. 146 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.360 And as a standalone it was really good. Like normally 147 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:51.000 the normally the like I mean, I always go back 148 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:52.680 to X Files and the like Alien of the Week, 149 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:55.399 but this was not an Alien of the Week. It 150 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.480 was absolutely we could pick this episode up and take 151 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:03.800 it out and the story would continue. And yet it 152 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:06.560 was like, I mean, you know, it was great and 153 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:09.439 fun and interesting and I cared and I was involved 154 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:10.160 and interested. 155 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:12.800 Yeah, well, I mean yeah, we could pick it up 156 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.720 and take it out. Yes, but you know, a lot 157 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.360 of character development, right, we got we got Londo was 158 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:25.399 a lifeet to linear. We've got that is not really 159 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:28.560 sure about the decision Lanier and Jakar not linear, Londo 160 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:32.279 and Jakar in the elevator, Uh big for both of them. 161 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:33.399 Kind of I feel like. 162 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:35.240 I'll tell you, I'm going to tell you that's one 163 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:36.720 of the most famous scenes in the ship. 164 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.959 It's that scene is fantastic. Yeah, it didn't change anything 165 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.040 in their relationship, but you know, because that's a moment 166 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:47.560 where you could see one or the other of them 167 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.680 extend some kind of olive branch and they both said, no, 168 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:52.000 fuck you. It's season three. 169 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:54.560 Yeah, you would see it. Either happened, Like I was 170 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.399 actually expecting to see Jakar reach into the hallway and 171 00:07:57.439 --> 00:07:59.720 grab Londo and pull him out of the hallway, but 172 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:02.839 he did right, so Londo had to jump, and then 173 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.800 of course it was like easy opportunity two hours for 174 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.839 Jaikar to kill him and get away with it despite 175 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:11.639 the you know, the treaty thing. I had forgotten about 176 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.279 that until he said it, but you know, and so 177 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.279 it was a chance for a lot of things to 178 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:23.360 happen that didn't. And yet it also it also validated 179 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:27.439 where they started in the show because we actually got 180 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.360 clowns at the end of it. I mean clowns with 181 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.120 a lot of baggage, but we got clowns at the end. 182 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:33.960 And it was like we all we say that every 183 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:36.320 almost every week during the opening credits, were like, I 184 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:39.159 miss it when Chakar and Londo were clowns and they 185 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:40.000 gave it to us. 186 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:44.879 Interesting they've switched because it used to be the lanier. 187 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.960 God damn it. Londo was the sad clown in Jakar 188 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.679 was the mean clown, and now Jakar's sad clown and 189 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:51.840 Londo was the mean clown. 190 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:52.840 Yeah. 191 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.360 And how incredible able to easily switch. 192 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.279 Yeah. 193 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:02.279 And I think there was like during that two hours 194 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.799 when he had time, like he could have killed him. 195 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:06.960 I think that's what Londo was frustrated about in this 196 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:08.480 two hours. What have you done to try. 197 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:12.000 And say, have done anything? I just wanted to watch 198 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:12.799 you slowly die? 199 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:14.840 Yeah, And I wanted to see you slowly sixty eight. 200 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:16.879 I was on my bucket list. 201 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:18.440 Yeah, that was it. 202 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:22.519 Willing to die so Londo would die, Yeah, exactly. 203 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:22.840 Yeah. 204 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:25.799 I have you know, personally, I've never had someone hate 205 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:29.240 me so much that I think they'd want to watch 206 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.919 me slowly. They'd want to slowly ashixiate to have the 207 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:34.440 opportunity to watch me slowly sixty eight. I feel like 208 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.200 that's probably a sign that I'm doing something right. 209 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:38.879 You know what else? I just I should have realized 210 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.799 this in the moment Jams. Did he set up a 211 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:48.720 situation where somebody saved Londo at the expense of potentially 212 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:50.759 the expense of his own life. And then we had 213 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.200 a situation where somebody is willing to kill Londo, allow 214 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.480 Londo to die, also at the expense of his own life. 215 00:09:55.559 --> 00:10:00.159 The expensive complex card. Yes, yes, a complex. 216 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.480 Can who you went a allie and then got mad 217 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:05.799 at yourself for aweing the war trips. 218 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:10.200 Here's the thing about me, empathy. 219 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:16.600 It's a difficult thing to have, Like like the oh, 220 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.039 look at people who are bad people, objectively bad people, 221 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.039 and I'm like, I feel really sorry for them, because 222 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:25.000 like I can't imagine going through life having done those 223 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:25.799 things to people. 224 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:27.440 And then I. 225 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:29.720 Get like sad on their behalf of how like lonely 226 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:31.159 and twisted their souls must be. 227 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:34.799 And then I'm like, but at the same time, fuck 228 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:35.440 those people. 229 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:38.960 But at the same time, oh, maybe their parents just 230 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.000 like were really awful to them. But then I'm like, 231 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:43.679 but fuck them, that's an excuse, And I to just 232 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:45.279 go back and forth like that forever. 233 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:49.279 Compassion Yeah, in my fantasy. 234 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:50.799 Serious, you know, I just I think about it. 235 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.720 I'm like, you know, I've had some really mess up 236 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.279 things that happen, and I'm like I'd much rather be 237 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:58.519 the person that had those set things happen than live 238 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.879 my life having done those things. People Oh my God, 239 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:05.039 like Guykes and magic. 240 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:06.960 In my food. 241 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:10.840 Yeah, I just think I think about that sometimes I'm like, 242 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.840 oh no, it's a much easier burden. 243 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:18.759 Well, from the way, yeah, from the JMS speak section there, 244 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.679 he does say Londo and then like emphasis, Londo does 245 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:25.360 have his moments where one almost likes him. 246 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:26.360 In spite of himself. 247 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:28.840 The second episode of Year three has scenes in which 248 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.480 you don't like him and then you do like him enormously, 249 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.600 and then you don't again. He's caught in the scissors 250 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:37.559 and trying madly to find some way out of the situation. 251 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:39.120 Yeah, I mean mostly fuck him. 252 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:40.720 But yeah, I mean I think that's important. 253 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:42.720 I mean I've also known people who have done some 254 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:45.360 pretty messed up things, and it's like, yeah, they're not 255 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:50.759 all like nobody is a monolith, right, Like yeah, Like 256 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:54.159 they also might like love dogs, or like had a 257 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.879 parent that loved them or like you know. I mean, 258 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:00.519 that's the difficult thing about like human beings is that 259 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.799 they contain multitudes exactly. And I think that's kind of 260 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.840 important because I think a lot of the time, people 261 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.080 will be like, ah, of course I would stand up 262 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:11.080 against injustice. 263 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.080 Of course I would do X, Y and Z. 264 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:14.799 And I have people say that to my face and 265 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.559 then like something happens and then they're like, oh, well, 266 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.279 but they're my friend so and you're like, yeah, all 267 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.480 the more reason we must hold our friends accountable as well. Like, 268 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:29.080 I know, it's uncomfy when it's your community and when 269 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:30.799 it's your like you'd like to think that you're the 270 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:32.639 kind of person that was stand up and you're like 271 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.840 with these faceless people who are over there who I 272 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.200 don't know, right, of course I would. And it's like, well, yeah, 273 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:42.799 that's a much easier person to confront about their shitty behavior. 274 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:46.399 Other things I just trying to other things that happened 275 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:51.799 to We had the introduction of some monks into this introduction. 276 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:56.360 They stick around. They stay. When you say introduction, it 277 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:58.240 makes me think they stick around and they're not a lot. 278 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:06.840 Of things introduced to us in this episode. We have 279 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:10.159 something exciting to tell you about the month, Yes exactly, Yes, 280 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:12.480 something exciting to tell you about the monks. 281 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:14.240 What do you have to tell us about the monks? 282 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.440 Remember how I was like all up in the like, God, 283 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.840 I could listen to that guy's voice. I like it. Yeah, 284 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:21.279 it was also like, it's really familiar. I should know this, 285 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.240 and I should have known this because Jenny and I 286 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:24.559 have actually talked about it before. 287 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:34.919 Yes, it's Draw though, Yes, its original Draw planet. Oh 288 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:36.720 that's that's so he just. 289 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:39.559 Yeah, understandable. 290 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:42.159 The reason he didn't come back for because he was 291 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:42.840 sick at that time. 292 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:44.559 Yeah, it wasn't because he was going to do this. 293 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:45.240 He just didn't come. 294 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:46.879 Back for New Draw because he was a different season. 295 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:47.159 Yeah. 296 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:50.679 Yeah, yeah, he's just sick at that time. But they 297 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:53.480 brought him in to play Theo. There's a lot in 298 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:56.759 the Looker's Guide about the name Theo. It's just a 299 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:02.159 name that that Jamis really likes, and it's I would 300 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:05.600 have assumed because he's a month in his theology theology. 301 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:10.399 But no, it's Vincent dan Go's brother. It's one of 302 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:11.440 his favorite names. 303 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:15.360 Yeah. Yeah, I did think at first, is this kind 304 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.840 of drawl like? And then I went no, probably not 305 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.559 like it's literally comments as draw. 306 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:25.799 It's matters for talking too much, and you know, and 307 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:29.279 then when we don't talk, we we don't say something important. 308 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:30.000 That's right. 309 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.039 Well, that's that's one of the paradoxes of reactions. 310 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:34.679 People want to see you react, but they want to 311 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.039 see you react exactly the way they react and say 312 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.080 the things that they're thinking. 313 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:43.840 It's like, it's just, yeah, that's called projection a little bit. 314 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:46.120 A little bit, it's like, I don't want to hear 315 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:46.440 to talk. 316 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:48.279 But when you when you saw this part, you should 317 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:49.639 have said the thing that I was thinking when you 318 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:50.279 saw that part. 319 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.879 But this line you didn't visibly react to. Sorry, yes, 320 00:14:58.200 --> 00:14:58.840 but yeah. 321 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:00.960 The monks were useful you. I kept worrying that the 322 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:01.679 monks would. 323 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:03.919 Be well, I worried that the monks would be evil 324 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:08.440 because I was like, Okay, you established with the writer thing. 325 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:11.240 I guess with the drawsy guys, you established there are 326 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.759 missionaries to make me feel calm about the fact that 327 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:17.879 there are random factions. Then you brought in these monks 328 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.960 after having established there are missionaries on board. Now we 329 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.679 also have some monks. Ah cool, I can just brush 330 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.120 that off because we've already established their missionaries. If they 331 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.440 were the only missionaries that if they were the only 332 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:30.679 missionaries that we had show up, then I would be 333 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.320 suspicious of them. But we already established there are some missionaries, 334 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:34.960 so then the monks can slide under the radar. Then 335 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:38.360 we didn't talk about them for fifteen to twenty minutes 336 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.799 after establishing bombs is a thing, and I went okay, well, 337 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:44.519 the monks showed up in a way that made me 338 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:46.879 not think about them too much because I already had 339 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.919 other missionaries. Then we had bombs and the monks seemed 340 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:53.360 too good to be true. And then when she was like, 341 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:54.919 I can get the monks to help with the bombing, 342 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.519 I went, nope, never mind, We're fine, because at that 343 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:00.600 point I was like, well, why what and why not 344 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.559 just bringing the monks? If the monks are just chill 345 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.840 ass monks, just bring But if you want me to 346 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.759 not necessarily remember that the monks stick out as a 347 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:15.279 total anomaly, prime me with the drowsy and then bringing them. 348 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:16.559 Yeah, that's where I was at too. 349 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:17.919 Yeah. 350 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:20.840 I was kind of operating under the whole like Bones 351 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.840 thing where I'm like, whoever they interview first, is not 352 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:28.039 it so if they interviewed yes, oh okay, yeah, it 353 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:29.759 show bones. 354 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:32.039 He is the second person they talked to in almost 355 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:32.799 every episode. 356 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:34.679 Yes, And then. 357 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:37.200 They spend the entire episode investigating stuff that doesn't matter 358 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.320 while they wait for a lab result to come back 359 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:41.679 that they sent in ten minutes into the episode, and 360 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:43.799 then the lab result comes back and it turns out 361 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:45.639 it was the second person they talked to, who they 362 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.840 thought had nothing to do with it. Yeah, I thought 363 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:49.320 it was a bones thing kind. 364 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:52.120 Of I understand. I understand you thinking it was a 365 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:52.600 bones thing. 366 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:54.000 I thought it was a bones thing. 367 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.600 Monks are just they were just chill. I love them. 368 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:59.320 I love the text because. 369 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:00.440 That was kind of a thing for while in the 370 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:02.639 nineties too, with like all those little crime shows and 371 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:04.640 stuff where I was like, it's always the second person 372 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:05.240 that they talked to. 373 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.039 How much do we love Lanier telling a lie to 374 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:19.680 get that guy off of him? 375 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:23.279 Yes, that was absurd, Yes, exactly. 376 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:26.759 Why, by the way, was that he had something called 377 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.119 letters syndrome? 378 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:33.759 Yes, yes, it's the executive producer of the show. 379 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.319 Who also was the picture of Santiago. 380 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:37.799 Yes to the president. 381 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:39.720 And there's also been a mention in one of the 382 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:42.880 episodes previous and somebody called somebody General Nett. 383 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:47.000 You know, just yeah, got drop it in. That's cute. 384 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:48.640 That's the other thing. I was like, why did we 385 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.359 have a forty five second scene of Lanier being annoyed 386 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.440 by a man and then he blew up, and I 387 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:56.359 was like, to make. 388 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.319 You remember you like him before they and it was 389 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.079 It's also a moment of he's like, I'm leaving because 390 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:03.680 I found that I'm sick and I have seven days 391 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.079 to live. And while we all didn't really think that 392 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.920 that was true, we also like had a moment of 393 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.759 being like, oh my god, what what's going on with Linear? 394 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:15.359 And then you're like, oh my god, he's lying. Of 395 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:17.319 course Lanier's not going to die, and then ten seconds 396 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:18.400 later you receive a good blown up. 397 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:22.599 Right, it's false sense of security. You never feel secure 398 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:25.839 for some reason. If Lanier had just shown up to 399 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:28.200 open the door and then gotten blown up, I would 400 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:31.119 have gone, well, he's gonna be fine because they're not 401 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:35.519