WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.439 enough out here? Look him near the window now and 34 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:08.800 I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello, 35 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.719 hit the buddy out here? What quin I'm out there? 36 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.520 It's thought of a mention about text nine. I don't 37 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:17.919 know easy amount there. Yeah, I'm walking right. 38 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.680 Hey, thanks so much for joining me for the show. 39 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:22.360 I got to sit down a couple of months back 40 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:25.879 and talk to Tim Moon, the author of Tomato Field. 41 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:28.719 It's a very interesting book. We get into discussions about 42 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.599 what prompted him to write this book, specifically about Bigfoot, 43 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:35.439 and he tells us all about his brother's experience that 44 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.520 he had that seemed to be the genesis for some 45 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.080 of the research that Tim has gotten into, and of 46 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.560 course eventually his book Tomato Field. I've got a link 47 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:45.039 for the book right here in the show notes if 48 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.240 you'd like to pick up a copy from Amazon. Today. 49 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:49.800 Tim and I were already mid discussion when I hit 50 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.879 the record button, so we just flowed right into this. 51 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:53.599 So it's a little bit different than what you're used to, 52 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:57.520 So sit back, relax, and let's join the conversation already 53 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:58.120 in progress. 54 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.400 The reason I'm interested in fiction is because I see 55 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:05.960 a lot of nonfiction out there related to cryptids and 56 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.879 issues related to UFOs and all of the stuff going on. 57 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:14.080 But I don't see very much fiction that is gripping. 58 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:16.879 And I think most people learn from stories. They're not 59 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.960 as motivated as much by facts as they are by stories. 60 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.080 Most of us learn by listening to people tell good stories. 61 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.199 I thought, maybe you could attract people to this topic 62 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:33.280 through engaging characters and interesting stories and things that would 63 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.719 attract people and maybe, as a result, make it more 64 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.439 of a legitimate thing than they might think of it 65 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:42.840 right now. So maybe attract people to the subject matter 66 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:47.599 who are necessarily that interested immediately, so not just the 67 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.759 thought I had a number of years ago. Then I 68 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:54.360 found out about my brother's encounter, which I didn't even 69 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.199 know about. We were just watching the TV show. I 70 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.439 think it was something related to bigfoot or up well, 71 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:04.159 something along those lines. I asked him, what's the strangest 72 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:06.879 thing you ever saw? I ask a lot of people that, 73 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:09.280 if I know that they're out in rural areas or 74 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.520 there in the woods a lot, instead of asking them 75 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.800 directly about the Bigfoot, I'll just say, so, what's the 76 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.240 strangest thing that ever happened to you out there? And 77 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.319 if they say nothing or they don't mention bigfoot, I 78 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:23.480 leave it alone because I don't want to cast my 79 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:27.319 pearlgy for swine anymore. But I just asked him that, 80 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:31.480 and he starts telling me about a level five encounter 81 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:35.120 with a bigfoot that has every aspect of it. I thought, 82 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.879 I can't believe you never told me this. He was 83 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.560 outside his house working on his car, and he lived 84 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:46.040 in rural Mason County, Washington, and right up lots of 85 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:50.000 wooded area, lots of bigfoot activity, at least at one point. 86 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.959 It's a lot more building now there, so there's less habitat. 87 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:57.680 But at the time, it was in the nineties. He 88 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.279 was working on his tail light and he's he held 89 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.720 something funny, and he started looking around, thinking that something 90 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:06.240 had died. He looked up to his left and there 91 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.720 was a big foot standing there. He knows now it 92 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.199 was about eight feet tall because he had markings on 93 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.720 the light pole that he could identify the highs of 94 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.160 those markings. So he went up with the tape maser. 95 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.800 He's a contractor, and he went up with his tape 96 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:24.879 measure and checked out how tall it was after the fact. 97 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:28.680 The next day, it saw him and started screaming at him, 98 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.199 and they were probably seventy five yards apart. He just 99 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:35.800 freaked out and ran for his house, ran into his 100 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:39.720 house and closed the door and grabbed his shotgun. Was 101 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.800 looking out the window in the window at his door. 102 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.600 He figured it was coming his way. He was pretty 103 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.839 sure he was the target. He never seen anything like that. 104 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:54.319 It just finished screaming, turned around and walked back into 105 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.040 the woods. He never saw it again. He smelled it 106 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.399 one more time, and he heard it more time, going 107 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.800 up the hill, cracking branches. He's never seen it since 108 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.920 he saw it, he smelled it, he heard it, he 109 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:12.240 ran through it, just about everything that could happen in 110 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.600 a big put story. So I thought, I've been toying 111 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.800 with this idea. Maybe I could use this as inspiration, 112 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:22.879 use it as an opportunity to actually try to write 113 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.240 the book and play with fiction and see what I 114 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:28.040 could do in terms of using it to draw people. 115 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:31.839 So that's what I've been trying to do. It took 116 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:35.319 me a while because I'd never written a novel. I've 117 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:38.040 always liked to write, I've always been interested in it, 118 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:42.360 but I just have focused mostly on nonfiction, both in 119 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:48.160 reading and limited writing. Didn't really think much about fiction 120 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:53.279 until I started appreciating it more in later years and 121 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:58.279 then realizing that most people learn or most people are 122 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:02.360 motivated more by stories and facts. Some people like facts 123 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:05.560 and that's enough, but most of us like stories. So 124 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.879 I wanted to use storytelling to win people maybe more 125 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.439 to this subject. I think it's an important subject and 126 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.519 it's broader than maybe most people think it is. I 127 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:17.800 also like to bring that out. 128 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.240 It is definitely a broad subject. Let's go back and 129 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.439 talk about your interest in the genesis for all this 130 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:25.439 for you, is it something that as a kid you 131 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.560 were interested in growing up, Talk about what got you 132 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:30.000 interested in the subject to begin with. 133 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.879 Sure you've probably heard this many times, but my first 134 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:37.519 entrance into it was the Legend of Bardie Tree. I 135 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:41.079 watched that movie. Something inside me said there's something to this. 136 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:44.319 It intrigued me, and I was probably ten or twelve 137 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:47.720 when I saw it. I never forgot it. It started 138 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:51.399 a lifelong interest in the subject for me, so I 139 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.199 didn't really engage much with it from the time I 140 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:57.839 was in high school until a later adulthood. Then I 141 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:00.959 started looking into it more. By then I was a 142 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:04.920 longtime history teacher and administrator, but I started looking at it. 143 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:07.839 The thing that really got me thinking more about it 144 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:12.279 was the massive numbers of oral reports and stories of 145 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:17.279 people in their encounters, and how they all had some 146 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:20.639 of the same experiences, and they were from different cultures 147 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:26.040 and different language groups and ethnic groups, different religious groups, 148 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.199 on different continents in different nations, yet they were seeing 149 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.480 roughly the same thing. And I'm thinking, Look, you couldn't 150 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.480 get all those people from all those places to agree 151 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.679 on anything if you paid them. It just doesn't happen. 152 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:45.799 People just don't agree on stuff unless there's something motivating them. 153 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.799 So I said, this is amazing evidence. I just don't 154 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:52.600 think it's as a historian, I don't think it's evidence 155 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:56.759 that's probable to ignore. I think it's almost sticking your 156 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.639 head in the sand by pretending that they're nothing to it. 157 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.720 It's too strong of evidence. So I thought, well, I'm 158 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:05.799 going to start studying. I just studied it a lot 159 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.159 for a while and read as many reports and documents 160 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.639 as I could get my hands on. Then eventually, at 161 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.039 first I was the Bfro range, where it was purely 162 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:19.399 an animal, it was flesh and blood. Eventually we just 163 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:22.080 have to find, well it just catch one. Now I've 164 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.240 gone not completely the other direction, but I think if 165 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.320 it was just an animal, it would be in the 166 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:31.639 zoo already. We would have already caught it. I think 167 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:34.039 there's a lot more to it. I don't understand it 168 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:39.960 all entirely, but I give more credence to the more immaterial, 169 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:44.679 spiritual type possibilities than I did before. Now I really 170 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:47.639 don't care if they find one or catch one. I 171 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:51.799 almost prefer they leave them alone because I don't think 172 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:54.799 it matters. I think it's part of a bigger picture 173 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:58.679 that until that bigger picture gets resolved, it's going to 174 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:02.200 remain a mystery. But once that bigger picture gets resolved, 175 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:06.000 everyone that go, oh yeah, it was standing here staring 176 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:08.720 at us all this time, and it'll be after the 177 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:11.600 fact that we just people just get it. But I 178 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:13.519 don't think they need to shoot one or put it 179 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:15.360 in a zooit unless it's trying to kill them. 180 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:17.360 Let's talk a little bit about that. That's one of 181 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:20.799 the many reasons I started this show. Wanted to talk 182 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.039 to people and document as many encounters as possible, because 183 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.399 I too, like you, enjoy looking at history, and I 184 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:30.240 like to look at the anecdotal experiences that people share. 185 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.320 Because what happens is you go to this Pacific northwester 186 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:37.080 or you go up into Canada or even Alaska, and 187 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.000 you look at some of these reports that have been 188 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.759 documented over the last three or four decades. Then you 189 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.480 go down to Florida. The people are having the exact 190 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:49.879 same experience almost and reporting the exact same thing. And 191 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.360 I like to see those threads that run through all 192 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.000 of the reports. For me, it's a little bit of 193 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:56.840 data in each one of them. It's a little data 194 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.200 point that we can look back on I've done it 195 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.159 since the first ten episodes of the show. Now I'm 196 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:05.080 almost five hundred episodes into the show. I can look 197 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:06.639 back to some of those people that I talked to 198 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.559 three years ago and say, this guy had an experience 199 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.879 in nineteen seventy two out in Idaho. Then I just 200 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.879 interviewed a guy from Louisiana three weeks ago, and the 201 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.960 experience was almost the same. These people don't know each 202 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.960 other now. Of course, in the modern day. I've written 203 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.879 about this in my own book recently. The pop culture, 204 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.039 the Bigfoot is out there in the zeitgeist for everybody. 205 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.360 It's a common word. I think you can go into 206 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.559 any place in America right now, any home in America. 207 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:38.519 Say there's two parents, two kids that are pre teens 208 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:42.440 or teenage years you say what's bigfoot? Every single person 209 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:44.600 in every single household, and that's going to be in 210 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.440 their vocabulary. They're going to know what bigfoot is. It 211 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.759 may be different to them, but everybody's familiar with it. 212 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:53.440 It is literally a household name. So is it possible 213 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:55.600 that some of these people are telling the stories. It 214 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:59.360 may not be entirely accurate, it may not be exactly 215 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.919 how it happened, and they pull little pieces of things. 216 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.519 We've had entire shows about this in the past and 217 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:06.519 talked about how people take a little bit from each 218 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:10.080 story and maybe put it in and embellish, But ultimately 219 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:12.519 I think it is important to document all of those 220 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:15.600 experiences because we learned something from each one of them. 221 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:17.320 Let me ask you this. We're going to get into 222 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.879 tomato fields your book. I certainly want to get into 223 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.879 the meat and potatoes of that and talk about where 224 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:23.240 they can find the book and all those things. But 225 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:25.840 let's talk a little bit about some of the stories 226 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:28.200 and some of the things that you've read during your research. 227 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.279 Is there any story that somebody has told you or 228 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:33.559 that you've read that has stuck out to you over 229 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:36.399 the years. Maybe a couple of those above and beyond 230 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:37.080 some of the others. 231 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.759 I don't know if any that stand out more than 232 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.960 my brothers, because it was so many factors. I remember 233 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.519 talking to a ranger, a forest ranger in Idaho when 234 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.720 I was hunting there, and he would tell me the 235 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.960 stories of being out there himself. I guess that's the 236 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:57.919 one when someone tells you something they actually saw that 237 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.080 has the biggest impact on you. Most of what I've 238 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:04.279 heard from stories or from podcasts or from reading them 239 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:07.879 in books. But when someone can tell you that they 240 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.559 were there, that's a little different. I have a couple 241 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:14.399 of different examples of that. But one was this ranger 242 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.200 who said he was out and he was doing his 243 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.519 ranger stuff and he had to stay the night. He 244 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:24.879 heard something down by the river, which was just below him. 245 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:27.840 I remember right. It was just over the hill. He 246 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.000 had the high ground and he heard it down there, 247 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.840 screaming and moving around. He was armed, so he didn't 248 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:36.759 try to do anything, but he got up the next 249 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.879 morning and checked on it and saw the footprints. There 250 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.720 was a number of people who said they saw strange 251 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:46.080 things when I was hunting in Idaho. Those always stuck 252 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:49.519 out to me. I have a friend who used to 253 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:53.960 live in Florida, used to work for NAASA. She was 254 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.960 driving to work one day she saw one cross the road. 255 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.480 The skunkcake with the dark red for across right in 256 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.639 front of her and jumped over a fence and went 257 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.480 back into the other side. She was really taken back 258 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:09.759 by that. That had an emotional effect. That's what I 259 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:13.279 look for even when I hear podcasts now, because you're right, 260 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:17.279 there's thousand different stories and everybody's heard something, so you've 261 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:20.320 got to take a little bit with a grain of salt. Today, 262 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.279 when people tell you things, I look for a real 263 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:27.600 emotional impact, that they're really fear, that there's either some 264 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:32.600 fear or some excitement, or something that shows me that 265 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:35.600 they're engaging with their emotions. Now they're just not telling 266 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.799 me a story. It's hard for the common person to 267 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:42.960 have enough acting ability to pull that off. Most of 268 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:47.080 us aren't actors. Unless you practice doing that, you're not 269 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:49.879 going to be able to engage people emotionally with something 270 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.840 like a story unless you actually live through it and 271 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.120 then it's real. So I think there's a greater likelihood 272 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.799 that it's real if you can get that when you're 273 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:01.919 talking talking to them. That's what I like the best 274 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.279 is talking to people who really had the experience. Then 275 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.840 I like hearing the ones about when people interact with them, 276 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.919 like they feed them or bring them into their house. 277 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:14.039 I've heard of, you know, where they brought them into 278 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:16.200 their house and gave them cookies and stuff. If that 279 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.279 really happened, that's amazing, And I would love to talk 280 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.080 to people who really had that experience and communicate in 281 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.879 a What is it when they silently communicate to you? 282 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:30.840 The mind speakers someone through their mind and they just 283 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.399 tell a path people get. I think that's fascinating. I 284 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.200 can't get enough of that, so I just think it's 285 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.720 super interesting. I just never get tired of hearing good stories. 286 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:44.279 But I do realize some of them might be either 287 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.799 made up entirely or at least partially made up. So 288 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.480 I may have messed up my brother's story by now, 289 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:52.759 I think I got it right, but it was his story. 290 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:54.960 He's experienced that You'd probably have to hear it from 291 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:57.759 him to know exactly for sure. But I remember his 292 00:15:57.919 --> 00:15:59.799 eyes when he was telling me the story. 293 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:01.440 Let's talk a little bit about it. You mentioned this 294 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.480 difference in the flesh and blood and the high strangeness 295 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:06.559 of the woo part of Bigfoot. That is something that 296 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.399 is always talked about on this show and every other 297 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:13.000 podcast about it. Frankly, you mentioned that you had evolved 298 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:15.120 over the years. I have went back and forth myself. 299 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:17.440 I believe these things, if they exist, are flesh and blood. 300 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:20.200 I've never seen one, certainly had some experiences I can't 301 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:23.159 explain that seemed very flesh and blood But for you, 302 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.120 you mentioned that you think there may be more to 303 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:27.120 this story. Let's talk a little bit about that and 304 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.720 what got you to that point. Is it just the 305 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:32.240 fact that for some people, it's simply I'm even getting 306 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:35.039 to that point frankly a little bit in my own 307 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:39.200 journey in Bigfoot, is that we haven't found definitive proof. 308 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:41.840 These things should have been proven by science at this point. 309 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:44.440 If they are just flesh and blood, I think we 310 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.279 would be farther down the road in certain cases. But 311 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:49.399 I'm sticking in that flesh and blood camp. But I 312 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:51.600 do hear a lot of stories from people who have 313 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:54.480 a lot of strange experiences, and some people just tell me, 314 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:56.679 if this were a flesh and blood creature, we would 315 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.399 have found it decades ago. It would be on a slab, 316 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.480 somebody would taken one down, and or it would be 317 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:05.640 in the zoo somewhere. So what has caused that evolution 318 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:08.599 for you to be moving in that direction of there 319 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:09.720 may be more to the story. 320 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:12.799 I think that one of them is that I think 321 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:16.119 that under normal circumstances, if this was just an animal, 322 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.440 and there's more factors involved in this than the flesh 323 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:22.279 and blood issue. But if this was just an animal, 324 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.480 we would have there's just too many stories we would 325 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.880 have caught one. I think the fact that it's not 326 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.559 just an animal is indicated both in the fact that 327 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:36.119 we haven't caught one that there might be some paranormal 328 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:39.359 And paranormal means is it's beyond normal. So it doesn't 329 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:42.279 mean that it's I hate the term boup because all 330 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:46.039 that is that hominem attack not dealing with issues. They 331 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:48.759 want to just discount issues and get rid of them 332 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.000 by naming them something. Paranormal is better word. Paranormal just 333 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.599 means beyond normal. It's something we don't understand yet. Doesn't 334 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.039 mean that there's not a good scientific reason for it. 335 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:02.880 It just means right now doesn't make sense to us 336 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.799 based on what we know. And I think there could 337 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.119 be that aspect to this. And I also think it's 338 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:12.680 being covered up. I know they have bodies already, I 339 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.440 know the government has I'm sorry, I just have seen 340 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.680 too much and heard too much. With that much smoke, 341 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.359 there's got to be some fire. I'm asking why are 342 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:24.319 they covering it up? What are they covering up and why? 343 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:26.759 And I don't think it's because they're worried about the 344 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.599 lumberjacks losing their jobs, They lost a lot of jobs 345 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.000 for a spot at out. There's no reason they wouldn't 346 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:35.119 want to do that for a big Foot. I think 347 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:37.759 that there's other things involved in it. I think it's 348 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:42.119 related to who we are in this universe, contrary to 349 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:44.279 what we want to think we are in this universe, 350 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.079 and the impact that knowing what we really are in 351 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:51.160 this universe would have on business interests and political interests 352 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:54.640 and religious interests. We are a very small part of 353 00:18:54.720 --> 00:19:01.200 a massive universe, and we probably have had alien visits 354 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.400 here for a long time, if not living here right 355 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:07.640 now with us. I just think that when we understand 356 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.279 our place in this world, in this universe a little 357 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:14.119 bit more about what actually is out there and the 358 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:18.839 diversity of lives that exists in our universe, I think 359 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:21.799 we'll understand the Bigfoot issue and it'll makes sense. And 360 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:26.000 I think it's very likely that there's some extraterrestrial connection 361 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:29.599 there that would explain their ability to do things that 362 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.079 they at least are reportedly able to do. And that's 363 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.880 moved with speeds that are just unheard of, to jump 364 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.720 distances that are just unheard of, to positively mind speak, 365 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:47.400 to disappear, change, become invisible. I'm not saying for sure 366 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:50.799 that stuff has had that has happened. I've certainly never 367 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:53.960 seen it, but so many people have seen it. It's 368 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.319 hard to explain everything away. So I just take with 369 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.680 the grain of salt. I don't judge people. Whatever they think, 370 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.720 that's fine. They have just as much right to come 371 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.759 up with ideas as I do. Nobody knows, so you 372 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.039 got to give everybody benefit out and. 373 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:12.319 Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be 374 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:14.160 right back after these messages. 375 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.559 But I think I suspect if I had a bet 376 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:25.160 on it, I would suspect there's some kind of extraterrestrial origin. 377 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:29.200 Rather it was either broad here, it was adapted or 378 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.880 made your baby other people and other planets got sick 379 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:34.799 of them and said let's just drop them over there 380 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:37.799 on Earth and let them bother them. I don't know, 381 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.319 but to be able to jump that high, run that SaaS, 382 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.559 and be that strong, and be that big and then 383 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:49.720 not be visible, clearly visible and easy to catch, it's 384 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.720 just something. I think there's more to it than what 385 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.680 we can know just merely as a flesh and blood animal. 386 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:01.119 So I find the conspiracy theory or the fact that 387 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.359 the government knows about these things and there's a cover 388 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.480 up interesting. It's something I've talked about before on the show. 389 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:09.839 I was in law enforcement for a lot of years 390 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:13.279 and I worked for government. I've always jokingly said, you 391 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:16.519 would be surprised what we didn't know most. 392 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:16.799 Of the time. 393 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.240 So I'm curious about how you got to that point 394 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.079 because people say that often, and when I try to 395 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.200 dig into what has brought a person to that decision 396 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:29.319 that place in their bigfoot journey to say, I think 397 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:31.000 the government knows about these things. I think there's a 398 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.880 cover up. Is there a smoking gun for you or 399 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:36.079 something in particular? Maybe it's a couple of things that 400 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.920 you've seen over the course of looking into this that 401 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.119