Speaker 1: Today, I want to tell you about a journey that
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Speaker 1: I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and
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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here? Look him near the window now and
Speaker 2: I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the buddy out here? What quin I'm out there?
Speaker 2: It's thought of a mention about text nine. I don't
Speaker 2: know easy amount there. Yeah, I'm walking right.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks so much for joining me for the show.
Speaker 1: I got to sit down a couple of months back
Speaker 1: and talk to Tim Moon, the author of Tomato Field.
Speaker 1: It's a very interesting book. We get into discussions about
Speaker 1: what prompted him to write this book, specifically about Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and he tells us all about his brother's experience that
Speaker 1: he had that seemed to be the genesis for some
Speaker 1: of the research that Tim has gotten into, and of
Speaker 1: course eventually his book Tomato Field. I've got a link
Speaker 1: for the book right here in the show notes if
Speaker 1: you'd like to pick up a copy from Amazon. Today.
Speaker 1: Tim and I were already mid discussion when I hit
Speaker 1: the record button, so we just flowed right into this.
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit different than what you're used to,
Speaker 1: So sit back, relax, and let's join the conversation already
Speaker 1: in progress.
Speaker 3: The reason I'm interested in fiction is because I see
Speaker 3: a lot of nonfiction out there related to cryptids and
Speaker 3: issues related to UFOs and all of the stuff going on.
Speaker 3: But I don't see very much fiction that is gripping.
Speaker 3: And I think most people learn from stories. They're not
Speaker 3: as motivated as much by facts as they are by stories.
Speaker 3: Most of us learn by listening to people tell good stories.
Speaker 3: I thought, maybe you could attract people to this topic
Speaker 3: through engaging characters and interesting stories and things that would
Speaker 3: attract people and maybe, as a result, make it more
Speaker 3: of a legitimate thing than they might think of it
Speaker 3: right now. So maybe attract people to the subject matter
Speaker 3: who are necessarily that interested immediately, so not just the
Speaker 3: thought I had a number of years ago. Then I
Speaker 3: found out about my brother's encounter, which I didn't even
Speaker 3: know about. We were just watching the TV show. I
Speaker 3: think it was something related to bigfoot or up well,
Speaker 3: something along those lines. I asked him, what's the strangest
Speaker 3: thing you ever saw? I ask a lot of people that,
Speaker 3: if I know that they're out in rural areas or
Speaker 3: there in the woods a lot, instead of asking them
Speaker 3: directly about the Bigfoot, I'll just say, so, what's the
Speaker 3: strangest thing that ever happened to you out there? And
Speaker 3: if they say nothing or they don't mention bigfoot, I
Speaker 3: leave it alone because I don't want to cast my
Speaker 3: pearlgy for swine anymore. But I just asked him that,
Speaker 3: and he starts telling me about a level five encounter
Speaker 3: with a bigfoot that has every aspect of it. I thought,
Speaker 3: I can't believe you never told me this. He was
Speaker 3: outside his house working on his car, and he lived
Speaker 3: in rural Mason County, Washington, and right up lots of
Speaker 3: wooded area, lots of bigfoot activity, at least at one point.
Speaker 3: It's a lot more building now there, so there's less habitat.
Speaker 3: But at the time, it was in the nineties. He
Speaker 3: was working on his tail light and he's he held
Speaker 3: something funny, and he started looking around, thinking that something
Speaker 3: had died. He looked up to his left and there
Speaker 3: was a big foot standing there. He knows now it
Speaker 3: was about eight feet tall because he had markings on
Speaker 3: the light pole that he could identify the highs of
Speaker 3: those markings. So he went up with the tape maser.
Speaker 3: He's a contractor, and he went up with his tape
Speaker 3: measure and checked out how tall it was after the fact.
Speaker 3: The next day, it saw him and started screaming at him,
Speaker 3: and they were probably seventy five yards apart. He just
Speaker 3: freaked out and ran for his house, ran into his
Speaker 3: house and closed the door and grabbed his shotgun. Was
Speaker 3: looking out the window in the window at his door.
Speaker 3: He figured it was coming his way. He was pretty
Speaker 3: sure he was the target. He never seen anything like that.
Speaker 3: It just finished screaming, turned around and walked back into
Speaker 3: the woods. He never saw it again. He smelled it
Speaker 3: one more time, and he heard it more time, going
Speaker 3: up the hill, cracking branches. He's never seen it since
Speaker 3: he saw it, he smelled it, he heard it, he
Speaker 3: ran through it, just about everything that could happen in
Speaker 3: a big put story. So I thought, I've been toying
Speaker 3: with this idea. Maybe I could use this as inspiration,
Speaker 3: use it as an opportunity to actually try to write
Speaker 3: the book and play with fiction and see what I
Speaker 3: could do in terms of using it to draw people.
Speaker 3: So that's what I've been trying to do. It took
Speaker 3: me a while because I'd never written a novel. I've
Speaker 3: always liked to write, I've always been interested in it,
Speaker 3: but I just have focused mostly on nonfiction, both in
Speaker 3: reading and limited writing. Didn't really think much about fiction
Speaker 3: until I started appreciating it more in later years and
Speaker 3: then realizing that most people learn or most people are
Speaker 3: motivated more by stories and facts. Some people like facts
Speaker 3: and that's enough, but most of us like stories. So
Speaker 3: I wanted to use storytelling to win people maybe more
Speaker 3: to this subject. I think it's an important subject and
Speaker 3: it's broader than maybe most people think it is. I
Speaker 3: also like to bring that out.
Speaker 1: It is definitely a broad subject. Let's go back and
Speaker 1: talk about your interest in the genesis for all this
Speaker 1: for you, is it something that as a kid you
Speaker 1: were interested in growing up, Talk about what got you
Speaker 1: interested in the subject to begin with.
Speaker 3: Sure you've probably heard this many times, but my first
Speaker 3: entrance into it was the Legend of Bardie Tree. I
Speaker 3: watched that movie. Something inside me said there's something to this.
Speaker 3: It intrigued me, and I was probably ten or twelve
Speaker 3: when I saw it. I never forgot it. It started
Speaker 3: a lifelong interest in the subject for me, so I
Speaker 3: didn't really engage much with it from the time I
Speaker 3: was in high school until a later adulthood. Then I
Speaker 3: started looking into it more. By then I was a
Speaker 3: longtime history teacher and administrator, but I started looking at it.
Speaker 3: The thing that really got me thinking more about it
Speaker 3: was the massive numbers of oral reports and stories of
Speaker 3: people in their encounters, and how they all had some
Speaker 3: of the same experiences, and they were from different cultures
Speaker 3: and different language groups and ethnic groups, different religious groups,
Speaker 3: on different continents in different nations, yet they were seeing
Speaker 3: roughly the same thing. And I'm thinking, Look, you couldn't
Speaker 3: get all those people from all those places to agree
Speaker 3: on anything if you paid them. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: People just don't agree on stuff unless there's something motivating them.
Speaker 3: So I said, this is amazing evidence. I just don't
Speaker 3: think it's as a historian, I don't think it's evidence
Speaker 3: that's probable to ignore. I think it's almost sticking your
Speaker 3: head in the sand by pretending that they're nothing to it.
Speaker 3: It's too strong of evidence. So I thought, well, I'm
Speaker 3: going to start studying. I just studied it a lot
Speaker 3: for a while and read as many reports and documents
Speaker 3: as I could get my hands on. Then eventually, at
Speaker 3: first I was the Bfro range, where it was purely
Speaker 3: an animal, it was flesh and blood. Eventually we just
Speaker 3: have to find, well it just catch one. Now I've
Speaker 3: gone not completely the other direction, but I think if
Speaker 3: it was just an animal, it would be in the
Speaker 3: zoo already. We would have already caught it. I think
Speaker 3: there's a lot more to it. I don't understand it
Speaker 3: all entirely, but I give more credence to the more immaterial,
Speaker 3: spiritual type possibilities than I did before. Now I really
Speaker 3: don't care if they find one or catch one. I
Speaker 3: almost prefer they leave them alone because I don't think
Speaker 3: it matters. I think it's part of a bigger picture
Speaker 3: that until that bigger picture gets resolved, it's going to
Speaker 3: remain a mystery. But once that bigger picture gets resolved,
Speaker 3: everyone that go, oh yeah, it was standing here staring
Speaker 3: at us all this time, and it'll be after the
Speaker 3: fact that we just people just get it. But I
Speaker 3: don't think they need to shoot one or put it
Speaker 3: in a zooit unless it's trying to kill them.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about that. That's one of
Speaker 1: the many reasons I started this show. Wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to people and document as many encounters as possible, because
Speaker 1: I too, like you, enjoy looking at history, and I
Speaker 1: like to look at the anecdotal experiences that people share.
Speaker 1: Because what happens is you go to this Pacific northwester
Speaker 1: or you go up into Canada or even Alaska, and
Speaker 1: you look at some of these reports that have been
Speaker 1: documented over the last three or four decades. Then you
Speaker 1: go down to Florida. The people are having the exact
Speaker 1: same experience almost and reporting the exact same thing. And
Speaker 1: I like to see those threads that run through all
Speaker 1: of the reports. For me, it's a little bit of
Speaker 1: data in each one of them. It's a little data
Speaker 1: point that we can look back on I've done it
Speaker 1: since the first ten episodes of the show. Now I'm
Speaker 1: almost five hundred episodes into the show. I can look
Speaker 1: back to some of those people that I talked to
Speaker 1: three years ago and say, this guy had an experience
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two out in Idaho. Then I just
Speaker 1: interviewed a guy from Louisiana three weeks ago, and the
Speaker 1: experience was almost the same. These people don't know each
Speaker 1: other now. Of course, in the modern day. I've written
Speaker 1: about this in my own book recently. The pop culture,
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot is out there in the zeitgeist for everybody.
Speaker 1: It's a common word. I think you can go into
Speaker 1: any place in America right now, any home in America.
Speaker 1: Say there's two parents, two kids that are pre teens
Speaker 1: or teenage years you say what's bigfoot? Every single person
Speaker 1: in every single household, and that's going to be in
Speaker 1: their vocabulary. They're going to know what bigfoot is. It
Speaker 1: may be different to them, but everybody's familiar with it.
Speaker 1: It is literally a household name. So is it possible
Speaker 1: that some of these people are telling the stories. It
Speaker 1: may not be entirely accurate, it may not be exactly
Speaker 1: how it happened, and they pull little pieces of things.
Speaker 1: We've had entire shows about this in the past and
Speaker 1: talked about how people take a little bit from each
Speaker 1: story and maybe put it in and embellish, But ultimately
Speaker 1: I think it is important to document all of those
Speaker 1: experiences because we learned something from each one of them.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. We're going to get into
Speaker 1: tomato fields your book. I certainly want to get into
Speaker 1: the meat and potatoes of that and talk about where
Speaker 1: they can find the book and all those things. But
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about some of the stories
Speaker 1: and some of the things that you've read during your research.
Speaker 1: Is there any story that somebody has told you or
Speaker 1: that you've read that has stuck out to you over
Speaker 1: the years. Maybe a couple of those above and beyond
Speaker 1: some of the others.
Speaker 3: I don't know if any that stand out more than
Speaker 3: my brothers, because it was so many factors. I remember
Speaker 3: talking to a ranger, a forest ranger in Idaho when
Speaker 3: I was hunting there, and he would tell me the
Speaker 3: stories of being out there himself. I guess that's the
Speaker 3: one when someone tells you something they actually saw that
Speaker 3: has the biggest impact on you. Most of what I've
Speaker 3: heard from stories or from podcasts or from reading them
Speaker 3: in books. But when someone can tell you that they
Speaker 3: were there, that's a little different. I have a couple
Speaker 3: of different examples of that. But one was this ranger
Speaker 3: who said he was out and he was doing his
Speaker 3: ranger stuff and he had to stay the night. He
Speaker 3: heard something down by the river, which was just below him.
Speaker 3: I remember right. It was just over the hill. He
Speaker 3: had the high ground and he heard it down there,
Speaker 3: screaming and moving around. He was armed, so he didn't
Speaker 3: try to do anything, but he got up the next
Speaker 3: morning and checked on it and saw the footprints. There
Speaker 3: was a number of people who said they saw strange
Speaker 3: things when I was hunting in Idaho. Those always stuck
Speaker 3: out to me. I have a friend who used to
Speaker 3: live in Florida, used to work for NAASA. She was
Speaker 3: driving to work one day she saw one cross the road.
Speaker 3: The skunkcake with the dark red for across right in
Speaker 3: front of her and jumped over a fence and went
Speaker 3: back into the other side. She was really taken back
Speaker 3: by that. That had an emotional effect. That's what I
Speaker 3: look for even when I hear podcasts now, because you're right,
Speaker 3: there's thousand different stories and everybody's heard something, so you've
Speaker 3: got to take a little bit with a grain of salt. Today,
Speaker 3: when people tell you things, I look for a real
Speaker 3: emotional impact, that they're really fear, that there's either some
Speaker 3: fear or some excitement, or something that shows me that
Speaker 3: they're engaging with their emotions. Now they're just not telling
Speaker 3: me a story. It's hard for the common person to
Speaker 3: have enough acting ability to pull that off. Most of
Speaker 3: us aren't actors. Unless you practice doing that, you're not
Speaker 3: going to be able to engage people emotionally with something
Speaker 3: like a story unless you actually live through it and
Speaker 3: then it's real. So I think there's a greater likelihood
Speaker 3: that it's real if you can get that when you're
Speaker 3: talking talking to them. That's what I like the best
Speaker 3: is talking to people who really had the experience. Then
Speaker 3: I like hearing the ones about when people interact with them,
Speaker 3: like they feed them or bring them into their house.
Speaker 3: I've heard of, you know, where they brought them into
Speaker 3: their house and gave them cookies and stuff. If that
Speaker 3: really happened, that's amazing, And I would love to talk
Speaker 3: to people who really had that experience and communicate in
Speaker 3: a What is it when they silently communicate to you?
Speaker 3: The mind speakers someone through their mind and they just
Speaker 3: tell a path people get. I think that's fascinating. I
Speaker 3: can't get enough of that, so I just think it's
Speaker 3: super interesting. I just never get tired of hearing good stories.
Speaker 3: But I do realize some of them might be either
Speaker 3: made up entirely or at least partially made up. So
Speaker 3: I may have messed up my brother's story by now,
Speaker 3: I think I got it right, but it was his story.
Speaker 3: He's experienced that You'd probably have to hear it from
Speaker 3: him to know exactly for sure. But I remember his
Speaker 3: eyes when he was telling me the story.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about it. You mentioned this
Speaker 1: difference in the flesh and blood and the high strangeness
Speaker 1: of the woo part of Bigfoot. That is something that
Speaker 1: is always talked about on this show and every other
Speaker 1: podcast about it. Frankly, you mentioned that you had evolved
Speaker 1: over the years. I have went back and forth myself.
Speaker 1: I believe these things, if they exist, are flesh and blood.
Speaker 1: I've never seen one, certainly had some experiences I can't
Speaker 1: explain that seemed very flesh and blood But for you,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you think there may be more to
Speaker 1: this story. Let's talk a little bit about that and
Speaker 1: what got you to that point. Is it just the
Speaker 1: fact that for some people, it's simply I'm even getting
Speaker 1: to that point frankly a little bit in my own
Speaker 1: journey in Bigfoot, is that we haven't found definitive proof.
Speaker 1: These things should have been proven by science at this point.
Speaker 1: If they are just flesh and blood, I think we
Speaker 1: would be farther down the road in certain cases. But
Speaker 1: I'm sticking in that flesh and blood camp. But I
Speaker 1: do hear a lot of stories from people who have
Speaker 1: a lot of strange experiences, and some people just tell me,
Speaker 1: if this were a flesh and blood creature, we would
Speaker 1: have found it decades ago. It would be on a slab,
Speaker 1: somebody would taken one down, and or it would be
Speaker 1: in the zoo somewhere. So what has caused that evolution
Speaker 1: for you to be moving in that direction of there
Speaker 1: may be more to the story.
Speaker 3: I think that one of them is that I think
Speaker 3: that under normal circumstances, if this was just an animal,
Speaker 3: and there's more factors involved in this than the flesh
Speaker 3: and blood issue. But if this was just an animal,
Speaker 3: we would have there's just too many stories we would
Speaker 3: have caught one. I think the fact that it's not
Speaker 3: just an animal is indicated both in the fact that
Speaker 3: we haven't caught one that there might be some paranormal
Speaker 3: And paranormal means is it's beyond normal. So it doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that it's I hate the term boup because all
Speaker 3: that is that hominem attack not dealing with issues. They
Speaker 3: want to just discount issues and get rid of them
Speaker 3: by naming them something. Paranormal is better word. Paranormal just
Speaker 3: means beyond normal. It's something we don't understand yet. Doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that there's not a good scientific reason for it.
Speaker 3: It just means right now doesn't make sense to us
Speaker 3: based on what we know. And I think there could
Speaker 3: be that aspect to this. And I also think it's
Speaker 3: being covered up. I know they have bodies already, I
Speaker 3: know the government has I'm sorry, I just have seen
Speaker 3: too much and heard too much. With that much smoke,
Speaker 3: there's got to be some fire. I'm asking why are
Speaker 3: they covering it up? What are they covering up and why?
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's because they're worried about the
Speaker 3: lumberjacks losing their jobs, They lost a lot of jobs
Speaker 3: for a spot at out. There's no reason they wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to do that for a big Foot. I think
Speaker 3: that there's other things involved in it. I think it's
Speaker 3: related to who we are in this universe, contrary to
Speaker 3: what we want to think we are in this universe,
Speaker 3: and the impact that knowing what we really are in
Speaker 3: this universe would have on business interests and political interests
Speaker 3: and religious interests. We are a very small part of
Speaker 3: a massive universe, and we probably have had alien visits
Speaker 3: here for a long time, if not living here right
Speaker 3: now with us. I just think that when we understand
Speaker 3: our place in this world, in this universe a little
Speaker 3: bit more about what actually is out there and the
Speaker 3: diversity of lives that exists in our universe, I think
Speaker 3: we'll understand the Bigfoot issue and it'll makes sense. And
Speaker 3: I think it's very likely that there's some extraterrestrial connection
Speaker 3: there that would explain their ability to do things that
Speaker 3: they at least are reportedly able to do. And that's
Speaker 3: moved with speeds that are just unheard of, to jump
Speaker 3: distances that are just unheard of, to positively mind speak,
Speaker 3: to disappear, change, become invisible. I'm not saying for sure
Speaker 3: that stuff has had that has happened. I've certainly never
Speaker 3: seen it, but so many people have seen it. It's
Speaker 3: hard to explain everything away. So I just take with
Speaker 3: the grain of salt. I don't judge people. Whatever they think,
Speaker 3: that's fine. They have just as much right to come
Speaker 3: up with ideas as I do. Nobody knows, so you
Speaker 3: got to give everybody benefit out and.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: But I think I suspect if I had a bet
Speaker 3: on it, I would suspect there's some kind of extraterrestrial origin.
Speaker 3: Rather it was either broad here, it was adapted or
Speaker 3: made your baby other people and other planets got sick
Speaker 3: of them and said let's just drop them over there
Speaker 3: on Earth and let them bother them. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but to be able to jump that high, run that SaaS,
Speaker 3: and be that strong, and be that big and then
Speaker 3: not be visible, clearly visible and easy to catch, it's
Speaker 3: just something. I think there's more to it than what
Speaker 3: we can know just merely as a flesh and blood animal.
Speaker 1: So I find the conspiracy theory or the fact that
Speaker 1: the government knows about these things and there's a cover
Speaker 1: up interesting. It's something I've talked about before on the show.
Speaker 1: I was in law enforcement for a lot of years
Speaker 1: and I worked for government. I've always jokingly said, you
Speaker 1: would be surprised what we didn't know most.
Speaker 3: Of the time.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious about how you got to that point
Speaker 1: because people say that often, and when I try to
Speaker 1: dig into what has brought a person to that decision
Speaker 1: that place in their bigfoot journey to say, I think
Speaker 1: the government knows about these things. I think there's a
Speaker 1: cover up. Is there a smoking gun for you or
Speaker 1: something in particular? Maybe it's a couple of things that
Speaker 1: you've seen over the course of looking into this that
Speaker 1: has pointed you in that direction that would bring you
Speaker 1: to that conclusion that the government knows about them and
Speaker 1: they're covering them up.
Speaker 3: Just the numerous stories I've heard of them being chased,
Speaker 3: them being killed through governments sources, through FBI, through special forces.
Speaker 3: It would require special forces to kill one. No one's
Speaker 3: could catch alive. You're just not going to or you
Speaker 3: could trap it in a cage. Maybe, And I don't
Speaker 3: know how effective that would be, but you would have
Speaker 3: to knock it out and throw it in the cage.
Speaker 3: But I think you'd have some challenges with that too,
Speaker 3: I think. But they can track them as a group.
Speaker 3: I've heard many stories of them being tracked as a
Speaker 3: group and shot they can't do anything about it. What
Speaker 3: do they do if they admit that there's these things
Speaker 3: in the woods that they can do nothing about. But
Speaker 3: what's that going to do to people? People are going
Speaker 3: to lose their confidence in government. But I wonder if
Speaker 3: they're trying to protect their backsides instead of telling people
Speaker 3: that these things are out there and being honest about it,
Speaker 3: they just wait till one causes trouble and then they
Speaker 3: go and get them rogue. They go after the rogues
Speaker 3: and then they take them out. I wonder about that.
Speaker 3: And the story seemed that I heard in the past
Speaker 3: seem to come from people who knew what they were doing.
Speaker 3: When you hear enough of them, it makes you wonder. Then,
Speaker 3: with everything going on with the UFOs, the disclosures, I
Speaker 3: just think it's so deceptive and dishonest. Just tell us
Speaker 3: the truth. They're always beaten around the bush, or they
Speaker 3: say just enough to get people off their back and
Speaker 3: then it goes away again for ten years. If you
Speaker 3: told me that someone landed a spaceship in my backyard
Speaker 3: and the aliens are in my basement, I would want
Speaker 3: to see the aliens. Why isn't the media outraged? Why
Speaker 3: isn't this the number one issue? In spite of all
Speaker 3: the insanity that we see in our politics, that should
Speaker 3: still be the number one issue. We're not alone in
Speaker 3: the universe. There's other creatures that have either traveled here
Speaker 3: or I've been living here with us for a long time.
Speaker 3: That should be the number one issue in our media,
Speaker 3: in the world. Two weeks of publicity and now it's over.
Speaker 3: That makes me think it's a cover up by occuscation
Speaker 3: and ridicule. They've done that a long time. They've been
Speaker 3: ridiculing these things and the people who believe these things
Speaker 3: for a long time, and that's a pretty good way
Speaker 3: of obfuscating the issue. So anyway, that's how I've come
Speaker 3: to that. I have very little trust in the government,
Speaker 3: and even less now than I did ten years ago,
Speaker 3: much less, if any if I have any at all,
Speaker 3: I would have never dreamed that I would ever see
Speaker 3: some of the things I've seen in the last ten years.
Speaker 3: I think there's probably something to some kind of cover up.
Speaker 3: I don't know. If it's more global than national, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know if it's some countries but
Speaker 3: not other countries. I just don't know. I really am
Speaker 3: in this country, so I see everything from that perspective.
Speaker 3: I've heard other countries are more open, but I don't
Speaker 3: know for sure. I've heard Putin's actually seen them from
Speaker 3: his helicopter and investigated it. But you'd think if he
Speaker 3: cared about finding one, that they would have found some
Speaker 3: more evidence. In Russia. They have a lot of forests there,
Speaker 3: And if.
Speaker 1: Any of Putin's people happened to be listening, I would
Speaker 1: love to have him on the show for an interview
Speaker 1: to talk about his bigfoot again. Or if that's the case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's shift gears a little bit here, Tim and talk
Speaker 1: about the book Tomato Field. Let's start at the very beginning.
Speaker 1: What was the impetus of this, Where did you get
Speaker 1: the idea, what made you want to write a book
Speaker 1: like this, and why did you choose fiction over fact?
Speaker 1: As you said earlier in the beginning of the interview.
Speaker 3: I was just toying with the idea of using it
Speaker 3: to engage people, maybe in an angle that wasn't as
Speaker 3: common most of the stuff that I had seen to that.
Speaker 3: I've seen more fiction since this, but before this I
Speaker 3: saw mostly nonfiction as far as bigfot was concerned. I thought,
Speaker 3: maybe you could write some interesting stories. And I had
Speaker 3: read enough stories and seen and heard enough encounters that
Speaker 3: I can use my imagination and get pretty close to
Speaker 3: a reality that someone at least has come close to.
Speaker 3: So I had the ingredients for the recipe, and I thought,
Speaker 3: let's write a story and see how see if that
Speaker 3: can make a difference and attract people to the topic.
Speaker 3: So that was my impetus when Joe told me his story.
Speaker 3: Then he explained where he thought the bigfoot had come from.
Speaker 3: It had come from an area he referred to loosely
Speaker 3: as the tomato fields, which was a sewage dumping plant
Speaker 3: that they used to just dump the sewage out in
Speaker 3: the field. The sewage would then grow into vegetables because
Speaker 3: of all the steeds in the sewage, there would be
Speaker 3: huge vegetables and tomatoes and all kinds of plants growing.
Speaker 3: Now they treat the sewage in a plant same area.
Speaker 3: They'd treat the sewage in a plant. There's some environmental
Speaker 3: requirements that don't allow him to just freely dump it.
Speaker 3: But it's more just grass and low grass at this point,
Speaker 3: or a green field. But he loosely called the tomato
Speaker 3: fields and thought that'd be a good name for a
Speaker 3: book when I told him I was interested in writing
Speaker 3: a book, so we just took that name, and then
Speaker 3: I wrote the story around his house in the seventies.
Speaker 3: So I went back twenty years and wrote it from
Speaker 3: the perspective of the seventies so that it could be
Speaker 3: before all the Bigfoot popular area, when it was still
Speaker 3: quite a bit of a mystery and people didn't really
Speaker 3: understand what was happening. So you could bring out some
Speaker 3: of that in the tension of the story of the book.
Speaker 3: So that was the goal. It took me a while
Speaker 3: to learn how to do fiction, to learn some of
Speaker 3: the technical aspects, because I know when grammar's bad, but
Speaker 3: I don't know why. All the time, I don't have
Speaker 3: all of that knowledge. I'm still learning. There's a lot involved,
Speaker 3: So learning all the technicalities of grammar and punctuation learning.
Speaker 3: It's one thing to know them, and it's another thing
Speaker 3: to recognize them. Not everybody recognizes them as readily when
Speaker 3: they read. I've had to learn how to tune myself
Speaker 3: in that regard become a writer, so that took a
Speaker 3: while to do that. Then I had to learn what
Speaker 3: publishing is. There's a lot that goes into publishing. So
Speaker 3: in addition to writing, I was doing self publishing, editing,
Speaker 3: I was doing marketing. It was like going to college again,
Speaker 3: and you don't get paid for it. It's really a
Speaker 3: hobby until you can be lucky enough maybe to make
Speaker 3: it big, but it's not a massive amount of money,
Speaker 3: so you're really just investing a lot of time and
Speaker 3: energy and passion and some faith that there's going to
Speaker 3: be something at the end of this that's going to
Speaker 3: be valuable. So it took me about ten years start
Speaker 3: to finish that off, and then I had to go
Speaker 3: through some things in my personal life, so all of
Speaker 3: that took that long. Now I'm working on a sequel
Speaker 3: and i'll probably finish that this year, at least. The
Speaker 3: version going to the editor this year. That went much faster.
Speaker 3: It's taken some time because I'm going to explore some
Speaker 3: of the paranormal aspects of this thing. I'm going to
Speaker 3: do it in Texas, down in the big thicket. But
Speaker 3: once you've done it once, doing it again is faster,
Speaker 3: you know a little bit better what you're doing. So
Speaker 3: in that regard, I learned a lot. It's been beneficial
Speaker 3: and I've met some great people. I just love meeting
Speaker 3: podcasters because I've met some really cool pece and both
Speaker 3: podcasting and the bigfoot community. So that has been very
Speaker 3: valuable and useful. But it's a lot of work. But
Speaker 3: I'm also happy that I did it, and I think
Speaker 3: it was valuable and I think people have liked it,
Speaker 3: and it has, in a small way, had the impact
Speaker 3: I wanted to have, and maybe down the road it
Speaker 3: will turn into more of a larger impact.
Speaker 1: I hope, so I definitely think it will. Let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about what people can expect in the book.
Speaker 1: Obviously we're not going to give away everything here, but
Speaker 1: can you give them a little overview of the book
Speaker 1: and what they can expect when they pick it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to have it be Have you ever
Speaker 3: seen the movie Jaws? I know you have. I shouldn't
Speaker 3: even ask.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites of all time.
Speaker 3: I love Jaws, and that kind of inspired for this
Speaker 3: book because I wanted it to be at that everybody
Speaker 3: knows everything now today about white sharks and how your sharks.
Speaker 3: That it's common knowledge today, but nobody knew anything about
Speaker 3: it when I was growing up and that movie came
Speaker 3: out and it was just oh no, we can't go
Speaker 3: in the water. Their sharks everywhere. It just made you
Speaker 3: wonder what is reality? So I wanted to have a
Speaker 3: similar impact here they had when they did that movie.
Speaker 3: And I've had at least one reviewer who's pretty good
Speaker 3: knows his stuff tell me that I did that. I
Speaker 3: wanted them to be afraid. I jokingly used the thing
Speaker 3: don't go into the woods, because remember Joss said don't
Speaker 3: go in the water, So I said, don't go in
Speaker 3: the woods in a similar way, inspired by that. But
Speaker 3: the idea is that an animal shows up and starts
Speaker 3: causing problems, puts people in danger, and a sheriff in
Speaker 3: a rural town in Mason County, Washington doesn't know what
Speaker 3: to do about it. The whole thing is how a
Speaker 3: few people in a small town man together and try
Speaker 3: to fix an issue they never thought they'd ever have,
Speaker 3: and everything they learn about themselves and this monster. In
Speaker 3: the process. Also wanted to make it so if you
Speaker 3: were more on the paranormal side, you could go into
Speaker 3: the book and read it and not feel like you
Speaker 3: had to get a dispense with that side. If you
Speaker 3: were just in the flesh and blood side, you could
Speaker 3: go in and not feel like you had to dispense
Speaker 3: with your beliefs. And I didn't want to take a
Speaker 3: sight on that. I wanted to make it so it
Speaker 3: was possible for anybody to engage in the book and
Speaker 3: feel like their side was as possible as anything else.
Speaker 3: That was one of the goals. That's probably the easiest
Speaker 3: way to explain it. I don't want to say exactly
Speaker 3: how it ended. There was one character that I liked
Speaker 3: to talk about named Bear, who was a Native American
Speaker 3: who brought the Native American perspective demonstrated more of a
Speaker 3: spiritual understanding of the creature. Then there was others that
Speaker 3: became nothing about him as society was a monster and
Speaker 3: wanted to kill him. So it was fun developing those characters.
Speaker 3: Everybody can relate to at least one of them. Some
Speaker 3: people will relate to more than one. That's the idea.
Speaker 3: Then it opens the door for sequels, but I'm not
Speaker 3: going to give that away. You can clearly see that
Speaker 3: in the last chapter.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I've seen the progression with more,
Speaker 1: as you said, just as of late, more people getting
Speaker 1: into fictional stories about Bigfoot. I agree with you. Some
Speaker 1: people just don't want facts. It's simple. They want stories.
Speaker 1: They don't really care where they come from. I did
Speaker 1: a series here on this show about dog Man last
Speaker 1: year Tiffany Dora, and she turned it into a book
Speaker 1: and published it. People love those stories. It's one of
Speaker 1: those things that it's bringing attention to a subject that, frankly,
Speaker 1: facts and scientific things just don't do for people. So
Speaker 1: I think we need a balance out there. So I'm
Speaker 1: glad to see that there is a balance. I just
Speaker 1: wrote a nonfiction book that was published a few months ago.
Speaker 1: Now you've got a great fiction book out there for
Speaker 1: people to get. I think you can get something from
Speaker 1: everybody that has a stake in this, and you put
Speaker 1: it all together and then you make up your own
Speaker 1: mind about what you believed. I encourage everybody to go
Speaker 1: out and pick up their copy of Tomato Fields.
Speaker 3: Can I show you one other thought that absolutely? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I'm a teacher and an administrator, and the students came
Speaker 3: to me and a teacher of the sound design class
Speaker 3: asked if they could do my book as an audio book.
Speaker 3: The students spent all last year recording the book as
Speaker 3: an audiobook, and now they're finishing up the editing. I'm
Speaker 3: going to have a student produced audiobook to have available
Speaker 3: for Tomato Fields in August, so that's coming up too.
Speaker 3: If you like audiobooks better than regular books or electronic books,
Speaker 3: then it is available on Amazon. You can just plug
Speaker 3: my name in Tim Moon Tomato Fields. It comes right up.
Speaker 3: It's available in paperback ebook, soon to be audiobook. I'm
Speaker 3: about to go wider and publishing. That means you're opening
Speaker 3: it up to other distribution formats, and I'm changing the
Speaker 3: cover to be a little bit more engaging. That should
Speaker 3: be done in a couple of weeks, and then it'll
Speaker 3: be out on Barnes and Noble, and it'll be on
Speaker 3: a number of different publishers and that will hopefully create
Speaker 3: a little more interest too. But right now it's easy
Speaker 3: to get on Amazon.
Speaker 1: I'll do one better. I will have it linked right
Speaker 1: here in the show notes. All you got to do
Speaker 1: is Click the link, folks, and you can get your
Speaker 1: copy from Amazon today. Tim, thanks so much for coming on, man.
Speaker 1: I had a blast talking to you.
Speaker 3: It's been fun. I appreciate it. I'm glad we finally
Speaker 3: worked out all the details. I hope this goes well.
Speaker 3: Appreciate your help. Thank you.
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