WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:01:02.439 Wait wait, said. 2 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.760 Welcome back to Midnight Viewing, the Horror anthology podcast, where 3 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:08.400 this season we are taking a look at George A. 4 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:12.480 Romero's nineteen eighties television series Tales from the Dark Side. 5 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:14.920 Sharing the Midnight view with me are the Projection Booths 6 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:16.799 Mike White, Well, I'm just. 7 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.359 Gonna break all of those ten commandments. 8 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:22.879 Also joining us is the Culture cast Chris Stashu. 9 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:27.840 I don't know if you guys know this, but practitioners 10 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:31.239 of Voodoo are known to make gingerbread. 11 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:36.120 Cookies damn fine ones. Evidently, just don't dunk them. 12 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:37.560 I've heard their killer. 13 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.159 Tonight, we are taking a look at two episodes from 14 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:44.959 season three. Those are Baker's Dozen and Deliver Us from Goodness. 15 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:49.239 Bakers Dozen season three, episode number nine, originally aired on 16 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.799 November the twenty third, nineteen eighty six, Written by George 17 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:56.280 Andrew Romero from a story by Scott Adelman and directed 18 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:01.359 by John Sutherland who is actually John Harrison. Not sure 19 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.959 why the pseudonym, because I actually anyway. This one stars 20 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:08.560 Mabel King, Larry Minetti, and Vernon Washington. It is the 21 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:13.159 story of an unscrupulous potential ad man trying to make 22 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:17.759 a cookie manufacturer famous in New Orleans. That's as broad 23 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:19.240 as I can get. What'd you think of this one? 24 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:19.479 Mike? 25 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:25.199 Oh boy, oh boy. Actually, I've gone on record many 26 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:29.159 times saying how much I dislike voodoo, especially in movies. 27 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:32.159 In real life, I guess it's okay, but in movies 28 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:35.960 and in TV shows it's usually just so hackneyed and 29 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.159 the whole thing of having voodoo dolls and all that 30 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:45.719 stuff usually it's just not pulled off very well. But 31 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.879 I love the meat spiritedness of this episode and just 32 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:56.319 how the just the use of these voodoo doll cookies. 33 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.879 They really played up for what I enjoyed quite a bit. 34 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:03.560 And then seeing Vernon Washington was fantastic as well. I 35 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:06.400 love him and things like The Last star Fighter and 36 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:08.960 other eighties things, so seeing him show up in this, 37 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:10.560 I was just like, yeah, this works for me. 38 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:14.639 Where I knew him from, Oh my god, I was great. 39 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:17.599 Ask you. It was the entire episode just going what 40 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:20.319 I know him. I know he said something that it 41 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:22.319 rings in my head, but what is it? It's from 42 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:23.680 fucking Last star Fighter? 43 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.360 Yeah, I think it's something like keep on Dreaming or 44 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:27.159 something like that. 45 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:31.159 Ah, Grace, what does you think of this one. 46 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.840 The amount of voodoo stuff that we've seen, Father Malone, 47 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.120 is a lot. It's not on one hand, it could be 48 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:40.719 counted on two. And I think this might be the 49 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:46.240 first thing that doesn't feel clicheang yeah, but also that 50 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.479 weird white people voodoo where it's like, this is voodoo 51 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:52.560 through the lens of the white man, right, this is 52 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:57.199 what I needed, Voodoo dolls and zombies. This is essentially 53 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.080 voodoo cookies, which is a subsidiary of voodoo donuts and 54 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:06.479 asshole Pacific northwesterners out there. I like the idea. I 55 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:10.240 think it works. It's bizarre, like you said, Father Moire, broadly, Yeah, 56 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:15.000 it's a pretty broad idea that makes no sense in reality. 57 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:19.279 But I enjoyed it. And the premise is weird tales 58 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.920 from the dark side and its mean spiritedness. And yeah, 59 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:27.680 it doesn't feel like a bunch of white people wrote 60 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:32.079 a voodoo episode set in Haiti, because that's literally what 61 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:36.560 we've seen. Look, it's probably they're verging on it by 62 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:40.720 setting it in New Orleans. I think we would all agree. However, 63 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:47.160 if that's what they're gonna do, Okay, I'm okay with that. 64 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.920 Just don't set it in fucking Haiti. Don't have people 65 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:53.639 dancing around a fucking fire and loin cloths because that's 66 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:56.839 literally tails from the Crypt and it was what's the 67 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:57.879 term racist? 68 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:00.160 Yeah, that's the one you hit the nail in the hand. 69 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.480 It's the problem with every Voodoo episode, every Voodoo story 70 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:05.319 we keep getting, is because we end up in the 71 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:08.240 goddamn jungle in a hut with a half naked person. 72 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:13.079 It's ridiculous, multiple half naked people and literally full naked 73 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.040 tails from the crypts. 74 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.360 I'm thinking particularly of Lagoda's heads on that last season 75 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:21.399 of Night Gallery. 76 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.199 I'm thinking of that one from season two of Tales 77 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:27.199 from the Crypt where it's the bride dies and the 78 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:29.600 guy's head is on the plate. You remember that one, 79 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:30.639 the zombie Bride? 80 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:32.600 I do, and I know you do. 81 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:37.240 You're having fucking flashbacks like it's Vietnam or the Redheaded 82 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:41.040 James Remar episode with Woo Bee Goldberg doing voodoo. How 83 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:41.920 about that one? 84 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.120 Oh boy? You know The problem though, Chris, is that 85 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.399 when I flash onto those episodes in my mind, I 86 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:51.319 remember how good the visual effects were, and then it 87 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:54.240 starts to convince me that that was a good television series. 88 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.360 And then I think about all those people out there 89 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.680 and social media saying, remember this show it was the best. 90 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.920 I'm no, it wasn't. It was you are biking wrong. 91 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:08.720 Okay, remember how good this show was? Wow? 92 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:14.079 No, bring it back? Ye watch it also? No, just 93 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:15.800 sit down and do a rewatch and then and then 94 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.639 tell me how awesome it was. Here's my question, why 95 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.759 would you make an aggressive cookie? She has voodoo flavors 96 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:26.920 that will give you what they promise, So a happy one, 97 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.160 which is all she eats, keeps her happy all day. 98 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.519 And Larry Minette says, I had an aggressive one on 99 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:34.079 the way over here, and I'm like, why is she 100 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:36.680 making that for the Does she want her customers to 101 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:40.879 be aggressive suddenly? Like they can eat those in the store, Mabel. 102 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.160 Especially a white man in New Orleans. 103 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:49.279 Okay, I have of everything else. Pulling this out of 104 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.079 Haiti's perfect I don't. If you didn't tell me this 105 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:54.480 was New Orleans, I wouldn't have known. You could have 106 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.000 said this was Detroit. I would have been like, okay, fine, 107 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:00.000 this is some back alley right. Because the Larry Minette 108 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.680 character has shown up, he has discovered these cookies. He 109 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.920 knows that they have some sort of magical ingredient. He 110 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.959 doesn't know that it's magic. He's convinced himself it's not. 111 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.680 He just wants to market it for them. He's opening 112 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.199 up his own ad firm. We get too much backstory 113 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.279 on Larry Minetti's character in this Tales in the Dark Side. 114 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:24.480 His goal is simply to become her primary advertising agency, 115 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:28.720 and then he gives us the mockup of her of 116 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.680 the ad that he's come up with. And the ad 117 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:37.079 copy is this little brown bags full of country sunshine 118 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:40.560 to help you cope with city life. That doesn't make 119 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:47.439 me think about poop at all. That's his campaign. I 120 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:52.240 would say no, because that's terrible and get out of here, 121 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:54.639 like you should be ashamed of yourself. 122 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:56.800 You'd want to set those on fire and leave them 123 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:58.120 on your neighbor store steps. 124 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.000 That's what it sounds like to me. I would like 125 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.199 to say bravo to the editor of this episode for 126 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:06.160 dealing with all the ceiling fan laid shadows on the 127 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:10.079 actors actors' faces. That was a level of difficulty that 128 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:13.000 that editor didn't need, but really rose to the occasion 129 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.279 because John Harrison is constantly doing stuff like that. Again, 130 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:18.319 not sure why he pulled his name off of it, 131 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.399 where eventually going to interview mister Harrison and find these 132 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.519 questions out. But one thing I really did like he 133 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.839 does this in everything he loves transitions, and in this 134 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.560 one we don't get a transition, but we get a 135 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:35.440 montage where the Rise of Cousins cookies through this advertising 136 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:40.720 sequence where he has taken slides and like projected images 137 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:44.240 onto like a radio. It's really cool for the limited 138 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:46.399 budget they've got going in here on Dark Side. In fact, 139 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.360 this entire episode looks really really good considering some of 140 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:51.120 the recent ones we've had. 141 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.320 Other than the cutaways with the rat, which is obviously 142 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.919 a budgetary thing, it's that's where it's they're getting the 143 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:00.600 most out of Vernon Washington that they can, and he's 144 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:04.600 doing what he can. But we go from man to 145 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:07.399 woman to man, man to woman to man, man to 146 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:10.519 woman to man, man to woman too, rat and she's 147 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:11.919 playing with Plato the whole time. 148 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:12.759 Is what it looks like. 149 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:13.840 It's like, what's going on? 150 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:14.759 What is going on? 151 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:17.120 Then he turns into a rat. That's the only time 152 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:19.639 it feels kind of cheap, but they work around it 153 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:21.679 in the only way that they can. I feel like, 154 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.200 it's the only way you work around it when you 155 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:25.799 have a budget of this level. 156 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:28.480 I can't even say, like where the rest of the 157 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.960 budget went necessarily, but there is a lot going on here, 158 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:33.679 you know what, I will say where it went to. 159 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:37.759 He made the episode look really good. He came in 160 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.759 with a shot list and a design for the episode 161 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:44.360 for this particular episode, and I've noticed Harrison does that 162 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.919 specifically for each of the episodes, tailoring it to the 163 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:49.919 story at hands. Yeah, I do think it's chintzy in places, 164 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.200 But if we're going to have chintzy be the false 165 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:58.879 looking cookie dough as opposed to it's obviously a fucking 166 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.480 set that I've thrown up some lights onto and it's 167 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:04.600 a couple of actors reading lives. For him, this felt 168 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:06.639 like a short film to me, with a couple of 169 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:08.279 budgetary constraints. 170 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:12.200 Agreed. I agree with that, because we've seen some real 171 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:15.639 clunkers in terms of the quality of the production design 172 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.919 of the sets. Sometimes we've seen some stuff that I 173 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.200 can't even I can't even believe that they were trying 174 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.960 to pass off in the mid eighties as anything other 175 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.120 than this is clearly filmed on a set. Yeah, this 176 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:28.840 doesn't look like it was filmed on a set. This 177 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.519 looks rather well done. Again, for me, it's just the 178 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.000 arbitrariness of the cookies in the voodoo. Oh yeah, my 179 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.600 problem is so weird, just arbitrary and random. 180 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.120 My problem with the episode is Romero, in any of 181 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:48.960 his writing, will always overwrite. At the beginning of an episode. 182 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:52.360 It'll be a weird exposition dump. And it sometimes doesn't 183 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.759 feel like an exposition dump, but it kind of always is, 184 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:58.120 and it always frightens me. And then once the plot 185 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.799 gets going and the characters settle in and it becomes great. 186 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:04.919 But I always have the fear at the beginning of everything, 187 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:06.879 and I had it again here because it is clumsy 188 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:09.679 at the very beginning of this. But what I loved 189 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:14.159 about the episode is what I love about Darkseide, which 190 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:19.000 is the entire time I'm thinking about this kitchen rat 191 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.480 that Vernon Washington is playing, and I'm wondering what the 192 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:25.639 relationship is here, and I'm thinking, is this like a 193 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:30.720 husband thing or family in some way turns out to 194 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:36.360 be Dad, and then she turns him into a rat right. 195 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.159 Over and over and over and over again. 196 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:41.279 Yeah, it's her term of endearment. 197 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:45.440 He's so incredibly mean here, and so at that point, 198 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.919 because now we're watching Larry Minette, who's clearly this greedy 199 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.120 prick and we're not rooting for him. I was kind 200 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.399 of rooting for Mabel King's character because she seemed to 201 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.279 like manipulate, not allowing herself to be manipulated and like 202 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:00.399 gaming the system. But now it turns out she's just 203 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.279 as bad as everyone. So at that point, I'm like, wait, 204 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:07.879 who am I rooting for? And sometimes that's great, Intel's 205 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:10.480 from the dark side because everyone is terrible. 206 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.519 I agree. That is like twenty twenty five TV at 207 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:19.480 writ large, you've got TV shows of just solely terrible 208 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:23.720 people being terrible to one another, a llah Game of Thrones, 209 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:28.360 House the Dragon Succession, and I'm sure the Sopranos, a 210 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:30.759 lot of the Breaking bad, like a lot of that 211 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.440 is now just like terrible. Like I don't understand why 212 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:35.639 we have to root for anybody in any of these shifts. 213 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:37.720 Kind of don't feel like it's a requirement. I kind 214 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:40.799 of would rather want everybody to get theirs in the 215 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:42.480 end and nobody be left standing. 216 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.399 But that's the thing, and that's where this series is 217 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:49.840 reigned Supreme because in the EC tradition, everyone's getting fucked. 218 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:53.559 Doesn't matter how good or bad you were, you're the 219 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.159 I loved the ending of this episode. God just to 220 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.919 jump ahead, I guess. But first of all, okay, they 221 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:04.120 introduced Larry Minette's wife, who I loved. This is this 222 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.559 actress has been in two things, this is one of them. 223 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:09.200 But she's just got a great face. So they introduced 224 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.200 this character. And then we get this rise to power 225 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.840 of Larry Minette. Obviously he's like the king of advertising 226 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.120 in the New Orleans area now by the time. And 227 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:21.679 then the wife comes back and I wrote in my 228 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:24.960 notes here she's still alive, like he didn't have her 229 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.600 killed in some way. Even if she was, like, she'd 230 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:31.799 still be with him. That's kind of silly. But then 231 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.639 they do the old found the whole tail receipt in 232 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.879 your pocket kind of situation here, but it's the handkerchief 233 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.919 and oh when she crushes the oh, the cookie and. 234 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.919 Then yes, it's because blood, the blood in the shower. 235 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.600 And it's not just it's blood, it's it's chunky to 236 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:53.720 the point of books. We're almost gonna get viscera. Oh yeah, 237 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.240 and once again i'd like to remind our listeners that 238 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:01.080 this television series was syndicated on Sunday nights at PF. 239 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:03.960 Wild. Yeah. 240 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:07.360 That is what really put this episode over the edge 241 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.879 for me was that crushing of the cookie and then 242 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.879 what happens to Mabel King. Oh man, oh my god. 243 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:17.360 And I was totally sad. They could have run the 244 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:21.240 credits over the shower full of blood. But now then 245 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:23.360 we got back to Mabel King who is having her 246 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.639 skull eaten away by a rat. 247 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:31.120 It does ah, oh, and it wasn't the wife, wasn't 248 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.240 she He kept dipping the cookie and hot coffee and 249 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:37.360 she's screaming from the hot coffee. I was like, oh, 250 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:38.320 that's so good. 251 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:41.840 And then he drowned someone. There's one of the things drowned. 252 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:46.799 County commissioner drowns dipping a cookie in a cup of coffee. 253 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:47.639 He was sick. 254 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:49.679 Fuck. Oh, I love it. 255 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:51.840 He gets what he deserves in this one, big time. 256 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:53.240 They all do. 257 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:54.720 Yeah, nobody's good. 258 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:57.519 The wife collects insurance. 259 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:00.120 Yeah, she'll be okay. And you like she was. It's 260 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.759 crazy about even she deserves something because she just thought 261 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.200 he was cheating on her, whereas she should just have 262 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.399 recognized what a dick. He was here was my favorite 263 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.360 line in the movie. In the show, Mabel king to 264 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:19.440 her dad, I'm gonna work you till you frazzle. Yes, wow, okay, 265 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.200 you gotta love a gingerbread vodoo doll. Back to the 266 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:25.320 original sort of point in this episode, like as far 267 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:30.080 as reimagining what a voodoo episode can be, like giving 268 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:34.799 us kind of the signs and signifiers but turning them 269 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:39.399 on their head a bit like Bravo dark Side and 270 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:45.759 also Bravo almost mid season three dark Side. This is 271 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:49.519 unprecedented in the world of thought and voluntary television for 272 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:53.080 us so far. Our next episode is Deliver Us from Goodness. 273 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.720 This is season three, episode ten, aired originally on November sixteenth, 274 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.679 nineteen eighty six, written by Julie Selbo, a story by 275 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:06.440 Susette Hayden Elgin and directed by Warner Shuck, starring Kailani Lee, 276 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:10.639 Mary Louise Wilson as Steven Vinovich, and Jane Adams giving 277 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:13.840 the first teenage performance on an anthology show that wasn't 278 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:17.919 completely annoying but actually good. This is the story of 279 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.639 a mother and housewife who is an accidental saint. When 280 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.480 her husband is running for office, her godliness is getting 281 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:27.480 in the way, so she has to sin her sainthood 282 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:31.320 away to ensure her husband's election. Chris, what did you 283 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:31.840 think of this? 284 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:37.960 Here? Are you speaking in fucking tongues right now? Hey? 285 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:44.000 It's the most exposition he shit possible. What a strange, odd, 286 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:49.480 bizarre episode. Unlike the last one, feels very set downd. 287 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.039 Unlike the last one, everyone for the most part seems 288 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:56.639 perturbed by one another in some form or fashion. 289 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:58.600 And I. 290 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:02.200 The premise is so strange. 291 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:03.440 I just. 292 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:07.640 What were they on? What the fuck were they on? 293 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.079 This is a strength the last premise was. I understood it. 294 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.039 They're like taking the voodoo tradition with the cookie with 295 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:16.359 the dolls and turning him into cookies. With this, it's 296 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:21.160 a guy running for mayor his wife becomes a saint, 297 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:26.559 and so she starts just becoming an immoral clown. But 298 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:29.920 she could just go suck some dicks walking through the 299 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.759 parking lot, to quote Clerks, and that's more than enough 300 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:34.880 as long as it's not her husband. Per the Bible, 301 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:39.240 stou shall not commit adultery. I don't under And then 302 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:42.480 this is solved like it's the concept is weird. It 303 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.240 makes no sense. I hope that maybe I'm not the 304 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:48.319 only one who feels this way. Maybe I am. I 305 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.319 turned the floor over to Mike White. 306 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:54.920 Yeah, I'm really on the fence about this episode. I 307 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.960 like how hyper stylized it is. You mentioned Jane Adams, 308 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.799 who at this point in her life was twenty one 309 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:04.519 years old, so and I wonder she was playing a 310 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:05.920 really good teenager. 311 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:06.839 Damn it. 312 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.960 She does it great, though, And I mean I love her. 313 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.519 I love her in everything that I've seen, even Orange 314 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:15.559 County I thought she was great in. But yeah, I 315 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.000 love her and happiness and everything else I've seen her. 316 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:20.039 And I loved the whole thing of her and the 317 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:25.759 colose things baton, yes, thank you, and yeah, she's just 318 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.680 such a spas But yeah, I kind of like how 319 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:32.759 just over the top all of this acting is our 320 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:37.279 main character just is way bigger than life. That southern 321 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.319 accent is just off of the chain, and yeah, it's 322 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.759 just it feels very and yeah, I think I kind 323 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.880 of liked it. To Chris's point, it felt like once 324 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.519 they got the point of she's a saint, but she 325 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:56.079 doesn't want to be a saint, then yeah, maybe they 326 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.119 could have had a lot more fun with that. We've 327 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:01.640 seen people in movies commit a lot of sins. One 328 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:04.440 of my favorites is Day of the Beast the Galicia 329 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.440 in Euroto. No I can't remember who directed that one, 330 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.039 but where the priest is trying to meet the devil 331 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:13.359 and so he starts doing all these horrible things so 332 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.519 that he can hopefully conjure the devil to meet him 333 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:20.960 and avert the Antichrist being born. But anyway, that was 334 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:23.559 very fun. I wanted them to have more fun with 335 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.839 this one. The Ruby character looked very familiar to me, 336 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.599 but I cannot place where I've seen her before. But 337 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.559 then with her suddenly becoming a saint at the end, 338 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.440 I was like, wait, no, she's not supposed to be 339 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.319 a good person. She's the one that was teaching this 340 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.000 other person how to be evil. The end of this 341 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.519 it didn't stick the landing. Let's put it that way. 342 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:44.799 What do you think fathom. 343 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:49.400 Alone about that ending? To me felt like in the end, 344 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.519 sainthood is more of a contagion than anything. Yes, yes, 345 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:57.920 so that I really liked. I really liked this episode. 346 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:02.240 I know was sent bound. It's Warner show directing Warnershook mainly. 347 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:06.039 An actor was in Night Riders and Creep Show. He's 348 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:10.400 cousin in Father's Day, he's Richard the nephew the Oh 349 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:15.480 my god, that's Warner Shook, and by now had started 350 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.400 directing theater would end up winning a Pulitzer Prize for 351 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.599 the Kentucky Cycle. I believe as a director. And what 352 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.680 we're seeing here are stage actors being directed by a 353 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:32.160 stage guy who isn't that adept visually. Nevertheless, the writing 354 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:36.519 is so fucking over the top in height, and everyone 355 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:39.480 I think is coming up to that. I really liked 356 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:43.960 to talk about high concept. Okay, mom's a saint. Didn't 357 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:48.559 realize that an accidental saint, and in order for her 358 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.319 husband to be elected mayor, she has to no longer 359 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.920 be saintly let's go along with this, and then so 360 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.359 now she has to break all ten commandments. I agree 361 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:01.960 didn't have enough fun with it, but then I think 362 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.960 they're just worried that they were overloading us by that 363 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:10.839 point with so much as far as plot contrivance. Nevertheless, 364 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.240 what this reminded me of was the very economical sequence 365 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.480 in Used Cars where Garrett Graham has to have all 366 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:21.240 of the bad luck so his bull loose in the 367 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:23.519 bar where he has to climb under a ladder and 368 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.000 dump out all the salt and break a mirror. They 369 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:31.119 could have gone for that. Nevertheless, the performances across the 370 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:35.160 board I really enjoyed, particularly the mom Kailanie Lee, who 371 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:40.079 seemed so cartoony and yet grounded at the same time, 372 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:44.559 and yet I believed everything that was going on with her. 373 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.640 I love the fact that at a certain point Bruce 374 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.079 Springsteen becomes a deity to be prayed to along with us, 375 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:57.200 and just as far as having fun with breaking the commandments. 376 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:00.000 When the mom comes in and she's wearing Jane Adams 377 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:02.599 Bruce Spinstein shirt and she's like, that's my Shirt's like, no, 378 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:05.799 it's not, it's mine, and you get oh, she's lying 379 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.200 and stealing at the same time. Okay, this is good 380 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:12.880 now to the point of the adultery. She fucks the priest. 381 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:19.680 It's true. What what I was. I hadn't seen this one, guys, 382 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:23.039 but this is the first time for me deliver us 383 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.960 from goodness. That floored me. That and then that it 384 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:32.960 wouldn't work because I don't know if Julie Selbo or 385 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.680 Susette Elegin is Catholic. For Catholics intent counts. That's the sin. 386 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:41.880 So if you're doing the wrong thing for the right reason, 387 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:45.519 it doesn't count. I love that that was introduced. 388 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:46.799 Here, and this goes back to some of these other 389 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:49.640 heightened ones that we've talked about. I guess I might 390 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:53.039 just not be the biggest fan of these heightened episodes 391 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:54.799 because I wasn't a big fan when we saw it 392 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:57.119 on Tales from the Crypt, wasn't a big fan we 393 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:00.359 saw it on Twilight Zone eighty five something about these 394 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:02.839 Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I think that's 395 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:06.839 ultimately the problem with something that's hyper stylized is there 396 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.319 will be people that falld on the outer margins that 397 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.920 just don't vibe with it. And I think I might 398 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.599 be in there. I like the idea of the episode. 399 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.079 I just think, yeah, to your point, Father Malone, like 400 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.160 to say they don't explore it enough is maybe under 401 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:24.960