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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome keeping a chill

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to start. Welcome to season three, episode sixty six of

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Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Mockler, joined by Adam

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Osen and William Updike. We're finally all three decompressing about

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the Clippers season as a whole. We're gonna give some

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player grades, some coach grades, and some of the talk

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about the Lawrence Frank presser. There's two pretty big pressing

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questions for the Clippers. Thank you for hanging out. Thanks

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for watching all the lives that we did over at

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YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast. Some of those

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were very fun and four of them were not as

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fun because of how the team played. Before we get

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into the season as a whole. Adam Will wonderful to

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all be together. Has the taste of Game seven left us?

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How are you still? Do we are? We? Are we

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past it? Will? You're shaking your head?

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, like, like, you know, it's only natural

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to overreact. I just don't feel like this particular Game

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seven would be an overreaction. And you know it sucks

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because I you know, you went up against a really

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good team. It would be understandable to lose in seven,

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just not the way that the way that they did

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kind of taints the entirety of what they achieved this

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season for me, And I know that that's not you know,

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there's a lot leading up to those four games, right,

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there's eighty two other ones. But I think in the

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biggest of moments, the way that you show up shows

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a lot about the identity of the team. And I

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think that that is like that that's really a bummer,

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especially given like how good I felt about.

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Speaker 3: This team for that ending like nine game stretch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta be honest, No, it's not gone, and it

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completely changed my ideas and thoughts on this season.

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Speaker 1: It's the competitor mind that Adam, you were grimacing as

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I brought up Game seven still hurts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Will's harsh but fair. I think this

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is how the sour taste is going to be left

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in our mouths all summer long. It's the never ending warhead.

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Instead of gobstopper, it's sours. It's really frustrating because they

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were so competitive in that game. It was just by

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the first two minutes of the third quarter, it was

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over and at Kawhi hits a three It's an eight

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point game to start the third and they go on

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a seventeen oh run. How does that happen? How do

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you let go of the rope like that? In the

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series that was so close and back and forth and

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I yeah, I'm not over. It's gonna take some time.

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Speaker 1: It was disgusting. It was a really gross game of basketball.

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And watching the Nuggets get blown out the other day,

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it just the vibe, like what you said about how

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they kind of showed up and started the game the Clippers.

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You were like, oh, this doesn't feel good, Like, oh no,

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we're not locked in at all, Like this is the fans.

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You know, they flew the fans out, which is a

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very great move by Ballmer, but like, yeah, that to

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show up or not show up the way that they did.

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Speaker 4: Embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: It's embarrassing. Even Lawrence Frank said it, how that was

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a pretty candid moment from a GM to be like, yeah,

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we were that was embarrassing, Like that was indicative you

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should be embarrassed. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: It's one thing if you know it's twenty nineteen and

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you lose Game six badly to that Golden State Warriors

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team after you had won two games in that series,

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and you didn't feel like you ever really had a

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chance to win that series going in. It's bad when

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you get blown out at home by Phoenix in that

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game six and twenty twenty one. But that Clippers team

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fought and gave all they had, and they didn't have Kawhi.

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Eventually they broke they had everybody healthy. They just won

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Game six an impressive fashion with great performances from Kawhi

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and James Harden and then a complete dud of a

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game in Game seven outside the first quarter.

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Speaker 1: And on Will's birthday. Yet again, the Clippers disappoint Will

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at his birthday, something that has happened before and might happening.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the new tradition. They're just going to

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lose in the first round on my birthday until till

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we get those picks back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, until what twenty thirty one, twenty thirty.

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Speaker 1: I think twenty thirty.

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Speaker 4: We're right there, we're good.

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Speaker 1: Twenty thirty, we're right, we're knocking on the door. So holistically,

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we're kind of doing a post mortem here for some

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marketing talk. How will this season be remembered in three

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to five years for the Clippers? So just some team

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stats for everybody. Not as fondly as eighteen nineteen. I'll

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tell you that right now. Hey, you got that right.

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The Clippers were fourteenth in offensive rating, third in defensive rating,

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fifth and net twentieth in points per game seventh and

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three point percentage, but twenty ninth in attempts twenty second

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and turnovers per game. They won eight in a row

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to avoid the play in, and then got beat in

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seven games, the seventh game being the most gruesome. Buy

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the Nuggets holistically taking everything into account, I like what

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Will said, not as fondly as eighteen nineteen. I think

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I think the loss was so bad in game sevenhen

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it overshodoers. What was a overachieving regular season?

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Speaker 2: It went from like an overachieving regular season, like the

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Bad News Bears, lovable losers, to just straight up losers, losers.

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Take the levable out of it, the lovables out of

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the equation for me el for.

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Speaker 5: Love, Yeah, adam uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: The twenty one twenty two season comes to mind a

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little bit because they even make the playoffs, and they

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had a lot of fight, but then they lost the

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two playing games and the second one they're up by thirteen.

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I know they didn't have Paul George. I think both

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of them had double digit leads. That was frustrating after

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a really good season to not get into the playoffs.

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They lose technically in the postseason and they're planing. But

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this was a real missed opportunity for a group that

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had I think some high potential to make a little

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run to make it interesting. And yeah, it's hard to

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reconcile or just married the two things. You have a

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great regular season, you win fifteen more games than some

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people thought they were going to win. And those same people, though,

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were let down by thinking they're gonna win this series now, right,

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and they're gonna get some revenge for twenty twenty, right,

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And why is healthy? And we're good. We're the healthier team.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just losing, like I I that's just

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the thing I'm coming back to, man, Like it would

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be fine to lose a close game seven, This was

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a really close series. Yes, we were the healthier team.

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They have, you know, the best player in the world

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right now. It's just like it, It would be fine

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like that would it would be a totally different scenario

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to get like yet another like James Harden, no show.

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Just the way they got b is just come on, man,

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like what like it feels like we're just not even

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fucking close to anything right now in terms of like

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actual like like postseason contention, not the well, I mean,

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it was our year.

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Speaker 3: We pissed it away, but it was our year.

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Speaker 4: Is that the title of this video?

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Speaker 1: We pissed it away? That was our year? The first

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round exit the way they left the first round two.

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Because not to look too far ahead in some of

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our programming schedules, this is effectively the same core next

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this this is what we're getting next year two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's essentially exactly what Lawrence Frank said,

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like we're running it back.

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Speaker 3: There's not a lot of other.

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Speaker 1: Options, Yes, and for good reason. There's no other options.

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Speaker 2: For the best you can do is like minimize the

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amount of years you keep James Haven line up with

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the Kawhi years, and not any longer than that.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what James wants. What about James.

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Speaker 4: It is I really felt like they beat themselves in

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so many ways in the series too. It did indeed

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to go seven. The reason I had clips and six

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is because I didn't feel good about going there in

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a Game seven. I didn't turn out this poorly. We

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did bring up before game seven it's gonna go one

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of three ways. The Clips win close, Denver wins close,

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or Denver win's gonna blowout. Clippers winning gonna blow out

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was not on the table.

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Speaker 5: No, clearly.

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Speaker 4: So game one in game four. The game four is

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the one where it's just when you talk about identity

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and just coming out flat for a playoff game. After

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how well they played down the end of the regular season,

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down the stretch of games, winning eight straight, winning I

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think eighteen of their last twenty one, fighting like hell

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up in Golden State and winning that game to stay

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out of the playing How do you not have more

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intensity and urgency to start game four, to get down

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by twenty two, just to mount a comeback and then

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lose on a miraculous airball from you know.

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Speaker 3: Get stigured.

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Speaker 4: That's the game. That's the one that just kills me.

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It's like you you had to go up three to one.

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I remember texting Carlos, I was like, gotta get both,

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gotta get both these games ad into a dome. You

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want to win this series, you got to go up

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three to one on them. That's the way I know

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a lot of people be like, oh, well we want

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to get on them. I don't care. Then you have

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a chance to close that at home in game six.

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That's really bothered me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not chasing Game one. Both teams, Like the first

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two games, I think both teams felt like they should

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have won the game that they lost, right Like Game one,

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it was like, felt like the gliber should have won

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this one. Game two, you're like, I have the hell, okay,

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we'll take it, like make up for game one. Game four.

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The number one team in defensive rebound percentage all year,

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the Clippers, which is something we all wanted them to

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work on in the preseason, which they did. But then

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the lineup that was out there, the laxa daisical. Nit

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James Harden just watching someone get a board like over him.

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It feels like I'm not putting the whole loss on him, obviously,

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but he had a pretty He didn't talk to the

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media for three games in this series, which means he

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had a bad series. I love what he did in

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For the whole season, but there was like it's just.

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Speaker 4: They played like a team to me at times that

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thought they had a larger margin for error in this

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series and they really did. Oh look at how Denver

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had to limp into the playoffs firing their coach and

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GM and they don't have a bench, and how are

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they going to be able to, you know, beat this

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team with this depth that is on this rule. I

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don't know. I really think maybe they they underestimated the

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Nuggets to some degree. It felt like that at times.

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I don't know how else to explain some of just

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the sleepwalking efforts to start games.

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Speaker 1: And like you mentioned this to Adams, starting games has

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been something that's plagued, I would say, because it really

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didn't help the end of this season.

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Speaker 4: They were good in the regular season with it, but

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they weren't good in the series. It came back the

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old bad habits came back on yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the old good habits went away right like all

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the all the pick and roll habits we built up

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in the in the regular season that you know, the

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zoo touches just unraveled. Is maybe it was the last

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eight games. Maybe it was gunning so hard they didn't

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have any gas to avoid the plan in itself.

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Speaker 4: But I think gets six days off which we start

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of this series. I don't know. I think I think

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they clearly weren't. I came into the series and I

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did say, I don't care that their defense is twenty first.

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I don't believe Denver is that bad defensively when they

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actually care. I never bought into that.

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Speaker 1: And they they were number one and like points off

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turn like they were number one and two. I think

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it was points off turnovers and fast brak points or

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something where it was like that kind of defense, even

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if it is ranked twenty first, is the kryptonite for

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a team like the Clippers who turns the ball over.

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Speaker 3: They're like they're an average too above average defensive team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great way.

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Speaker 5: To put it.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Gordon was maybe the best player in the series,

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that led to a lot of those offensive rebounds. His defense,

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defender on Kawhi, and he showed it at times outside

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that's going to become a much bigger conversation now about

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the power forward stuff. But they exposed some weaknesses for sure.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the the law list of what do

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you think the priorities are for the Clippers? Of the

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five positions? Where do you think power forward is on

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Speaker 4: Do you put it last?

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Speaker 1: That's fourth.

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Speaker 4: At the four?

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Speaker 1: You know what, maybe it's thinking Okay, before we get

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staff on the whole. Would you consider this? The balloons

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season of success? Regular season? Regular season was a success? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: The season, Like if you're including postseason now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they honest question.

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Speaker 4: I'll say yes reluctantly lowercase yes. Yeah, it's okay. I

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said six through ten they'd finish in the West and

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they gave us so many memorable moments during the regular season.

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as bad as the ending is, and that's when you

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need to be at your best. I still I gotta

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go with the five months that led up to it

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and put that a little bit higher and say, yeah,

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it was a success and it will feel better I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the dot dot dot sure

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is my answer right now as of May six, fifty

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Speaker 2: I just my concern is that that Game seven said

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a lot more about this team and what it's going

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to look like next year then the other.

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Speaker 1: I do think that this season will be better than

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next This season will be looked at, I think compared

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to next season, compared to next season. Yeah, you know

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what I'm saying, like putting a bunch of carts before

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a bunch of horses. I think people like I think

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this year, regular season wise, we over we over punched,

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which is good. That's what you want to do. You

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want to play better than you're supposed to be. But

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know if you think the regular season was a success

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or the whole season was a success, either at Clippers

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us about free agency. Yet we're gonna get into that

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at some point. The list is not pretty for who

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grades after a quick audio break. If you want to

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into clips and did We are doing a

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bit of a Clippers sort of season post mortem over here.

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We're talking the whole season grades. We'll just kick things

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off with the starters. I'd like to start with a

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guy that I think we're all going to be in

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agreement on and I think is sort of unimpeachable really

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through this entire thing. Couldn't go with the Piazza Zubots

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And I'm going big a now.

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Speaker 1: That Adam is gonna do.

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Speaker 2: I know that Adam's gonna disagree with this one. I

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know that he's going to disagree pretty harshly.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I knew it was coming. So Also, we

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did the whole season because I think for the regular season,

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because of how well the team played in the regular season,

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you'd probably give everyone on the roster in it just.

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Speaker 3: The way they overachieved, it would be pretty difficult not.

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Speaker 1: To not to be a right. Like I mean that respectfully.

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Like everyone played pretty damn good.

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Speaker 4: It's not very interesting if we just go regular season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd go a for Zoo as well. He took

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the leap, he did everything all. He played so well.

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Carl Tart bought his jersey the biggest Hopefully he remains

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on the team. If you know about the Carl Tart curse,

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he excelled. He was great in the short role with passing.

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He played great defense. He played really good defense on Jokich.

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As Adam mentioned on Twitter, he did everything that everyone

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who loves Zoo knew that he could do, and who

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didn't like who wanted him to do right Like he's

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a double double monster. Hard to not give him an A.

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I don't think anyone would give him over.

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Speaker 4: Even though he wasn't great. Also in Game seven, he

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still gets an A plus For me. On the year,

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it was tremendous. He can be the All NBA third team.

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He's definitely going to be making All Defensive team. Him

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being on conversation for Defensive Player of the Year is awesome.

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This was his year. I might look back on this

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year and think about bigs New's year.

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Speaker 1: That's a good call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that definitely is a positive takeaway. And he still

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did have the second lowest plus minus of any starter

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in Game seven. It was him and Derek Jhonesonior. Still

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in the negative there, but not as much as some

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other folks, not as much as the other fuckers.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, who are we grading next? Next?

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Speaker 2: Putting the fire, Let's go done, Let's go Chris done. Chris,

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who I feel like is an interesting one, had some

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ups and downs. I think you know that there are

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times where his defensive impact was undeniable. Unfortunately, some of

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the struggles on the other end really sort of reared

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their ugly head in the in the playoffs, although I

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do feel like we saw him grow throughout the season,

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or at least get to where he's spent at other

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points in his career as a ball handler, because I

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feel like at the trade deadline we were all sort

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of like bemoaning the fall off in ball handling, especially

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when Norm was out for that period of time, and

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I do feel like Dunn was able to rise to

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the challenge. He was able to become much more of

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like the facilitator and playmaker that I kind of thought

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that he was when we when we acquired him. But

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done is an interesting one for me because so much

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of the season I would say, you know, it's like

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pretty much goods as promised.

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Speaker 1: The best perimeter to fender of the Clippers I've ever had,

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or damn close to it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like absolutely, like yeah, absolutely elite. It's

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just so tough though, because it's like.

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Speaker 1: It he's a specialized tool.

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Speaker 2: He's a specialized tool, and it's not like, well, I

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want to say, it's not like it was like, oh shit,

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like this is like wildly exceeding my expectations, but I mean.

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Speaker 3: Defensively, like, I mean, the guy is a monster. It

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was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: I gotta go.

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Speaker 3: Considering like sort of the totality.

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Speaker 2: Of everything, as we often should do, I'm kind of

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on in B minus C range.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm gonna go be minus for what it's worth.

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He shot thirty three and a half percent from three

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of three attempts per game.

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Speaker 3: What his exact career average or slightly below?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What does average like? Thirty two?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty one?

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Speaker 1: I think, okay, a couple percent.

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Speaker 3: So that's why he's getting to be minus instead of

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a seat.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna go B plus just because of the

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defense was so good he I mean even in the playoffs,

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him fighting off that, him fronting Joker for that ten

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second like that is just like the epitome of what

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this team in the regular season with Bill Donalds was

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crazy good defense and not giving up on that end

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of the floor. Wait, you're going to be B plus

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plus eighty eight and a half percent. You're nearly A

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on this, So what you're nearly A on this? Nearly A.

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It's just the only thing preventing it. Was just like

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he is a specialized guy. And in the playoffs, you know,

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we saw the lever pool from Tyloo whatever whatever, but

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like you said, he was able to be a release

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vel for Harden. He got a lot better at that

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than I thought he was gonna be. I gotta go

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back you just so.

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Speaker 2: I'm understanding this curve. Zoo is an A. Chris Dunn

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is all so nearly in A.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Zuo's an A plus. Zoo was an A plus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I said A.

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Speaker 1: But you know, but I'm going B plus. Yeah, Adam,

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what are you going? Hoye?

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Speaker 4: B I was thinking A minus for a second, but

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you're right, I'm giving Zoo the A plus. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think they're in the same tier in

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terms of like expectations to delivery Personally, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Just relative to who he's been in his career, and

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I do think he exceeded expectations. He became the best

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perimeter defensive. This is the best perimeter defensive season we've seen.

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I enjoyed watching him so much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh, he was good early on in the series. Unfortunately

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he started missing a lot more. He still shot I

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guess thirty five percent in the series from three he

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shot almost thirty six or said ten eight.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'll go B plus as well. But I was really

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really encouraged with his play. I love washing him. Here's

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a difference maker. They're not a top five defense without him.

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That point of attack defense from Chris Dome was spectacular.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to see what did hold on? I

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mean Norm shot thirty Yeah that yeah, anyway, Yeah, I'd

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like the difference maker part he's getting. There's also some

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intangibles of why I'm giving him the BB plus range

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twos because he was a leader. He had the G

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league guys asking him questions. He was a trickle down

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vibes guy. Him and Batoomb filled that role of like

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defense by example. Okay to a be this, we're in

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the teacher's lounge. Okay, who's who's next to the start?

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Speaker 2: You don't want to hear from his parents later. It's uh,

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next up, let's go. Let's go norm.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this one is tough, dude. He's the reason. He's

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a huge reason why the Clippers won fifty games. He's

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an absolute he had his best year ever. And this

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one isn't hard for me. Where are you going? This

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is a for me?

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Speaker 3: This is an a season for norm I was gonna

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go I can see that, but like it's it's it's

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a career year. He rose to the challenge.

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Speaker 1: He got hurt the other part. He got hurt at.

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Speaker 3: The like the wrong part of the season, which sucks.

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And he just kind of never really like.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, he couldn't bounce back out for the

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All Star break, you know, like yeah, and the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: He was at the absolute worst time, like.

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't incredibly stellar in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I think that's why I'm going to be that's fair.

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I think the playoffs because he.

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Speaker 1: Had from three sixteen points per game.

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Speaker 4: The first forty five games are a plus plus spectacular.

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It's not his fault. He got hurt, it's not his fault.

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He comes back and now Kawhi's roll and it's kind

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of clunky. It's the fits difficult, it's not, but the

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playoff series I needed more. The game seven, Norm was

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really bad, dribbling the ball off his foot at one point.

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It was rough to watch, and he just if he's

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not scoring, he doesn't offer much else. And the defense

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at times earlier in the season I thought it was

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pretty good. I thought it was good at times. God

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was it. Game six, he had a possession where he

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locked up Aaron Gordon. I'm like, why doesn't he do

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this more? And that's frustrating.

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Speaker 1: He had fluxes of defense where you'd be like, oh damn,

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you sat in the chair, you like really gritted this

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one out, way to go, and then it would just

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flutter away.

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Speaker 5: You damn box out.

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Speaker 4: At the end of game four, right, yeah, I love Norm.

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00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:22,559
Speaker 1: Absolutely, be all right, that's fair. Who's next? Will we

475
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,920
got the two big guys next? So which one are

476
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,720
we going with.

477
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: Let's let's start with Kawi and we'll end this one

478
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:30,880
on Harden.

479
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: So Kawhi thirty seven games played, Man, this one is tough.

480
00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:41,519
Is B minus fair?

481
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: I'm at I'm at B B minus. I'm probably closer

482
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:49,799
to the minus.

483
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: I think part of me is saying this too, because

484
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,759
he's a little older. He's lost the explosiveness that once

485
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,119
was obviously expectation. I was so excited. The ramp up

486
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,640
was so perfect, right, like they brought him back then. Also, wait,

487
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,920
the medical team a plus for the Clippers this year.

488
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,920
Everyone shits on the medical team. They did a wonderful

489
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,680
job this year with bringing Kwhi back and everything. I

490
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,960
got it. Yeah, like b minas like, but I think

491
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,480
maybe that's just because I was. I still want him

492
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:28,359
to be top five in the league, and I don't

493
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,559
think he is. That's not disrespectful. He's still very high

494
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:30,960
up there.

495
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: But no, he wasn't. Yeah, not consistently. I don't think

496
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,519
he was at that point.

497
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam, what are you going? It's a tough one

498
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,240
to great die.

499
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,599
Speaker 4: It's funny because you mentioned thirty seven games in the

500
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:52,240
regular season and twenty two or twenty three of those

501
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,119
he was really at an all NBA level, yeah, and peaking,

502
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,400
and he comes into the playoff series.

503
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: Which is like a back from last year.

504
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 4: Someone I in interm of a number of total games

505
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,519
like played at that level. Like I thought he was

506
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,839
pretty close near the end of the season to about

507
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,240
where he was last year at his best, honestly, Like

508
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,440
he was awesome in the game against Golden State, but

509
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,480
it's the playoff series and it's not that he was bad,

510
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,079
like I think he might have led both teams and scoring. Still,

511
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,359
he shot fifty four percent from the field, forty one

512
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,759
percent from the outside, twenty five points a game.

513
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,359
Speaker 1: Like, it's not can he showed he had to set

514
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,599
the tone like you're just getting doubled.

515
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,519
Speaker 4: Like I saw him moving fast at the you know

516
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,359
down by twenty he was still rotating. And I think

517
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,480
I think I'll go b because I just needed a

518
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:55,799
little bit more in the playoffs, I needed one more

519
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:58,480
game two from him, and that it really wouldn't been

520
00:28:58,599 --> 00:28:59,519
enough to win the series.

521
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,839
Speaker 1: Maybe in the in the rhetoric kind of after Game

522
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,000
one of like he's got to be in attack mode,

523
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,000
it was kind of like, yeah, man, you should be

524
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,319
an attack mode. We would prefer that.

525
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was.

526
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 4: It was a good series. It wasn't a great series exactly.

527
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,559
It's about Kawhi's standard that he has said. So I'll

528
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,160
go be the overall for the season.

529
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, m all right, now, maybe maybe the hardest guy

530
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,359
in the grade in terms of duality between regular season

531
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:37,599
and postseason. James Harden and I got maybe this isn't

532
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:40,240
a hot take, but I'm going to see because it

533
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,240
was what seems to be an average James Harden season,

534
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:47,920
which is the regular season. You go, holy shit, this

535
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,039
guy is leading the team. He's putting his body on

536
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:54,039
the line. Second night of the back to back, I'll

537
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:57,119
put up fifty during which that game also did turn

538
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,559
the Clipper season around. That game against Detroit is huge.

539
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,240
Then the playoffs were just so incredibly frustrating. Doesn't talk

540
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,759
to the media for those three games C plus B.

541
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,480
Maybe I'm being too harsh, but she was so good

542
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,039
in the regular season. Again, I cannot stress that enough.

543
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:18,319
And I changed. I didn't. I wasn't a James Harden hater,

544
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,079
but I did really come to appreciate and respect what

545
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:24,799
he does for a team, the young guy stuff, preseason

546
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:28,680
stuff like yeah, I'll have the bad taste in my mouth.

547
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: I like, I I think take like, you know, thinking

548
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:36,359
about relative who to who he is, which is a

549
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,640
Hall of Famer, which is, you know, one of the

550
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:41,960
one of the greatest scorers of his generation, which.

551
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: Is so many like elite things.

552
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: To me, this is a sea season because it was

553
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:52,680
basically status quo, I mean, which again for him, a

554
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,839
really good standard to set for a lot of the time.

555
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,319
I'm not saying that, like, I'm not saying that he's bad,

556
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,759
but like it was just more of the same in

557
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,480
the playoffs, and then the way he chose to address it,

558
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,000
like there's it just doesn't even feel like there's any

559
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,240
self awareness or attempt to try and improve some of

560
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,480
these things. And I think that that is like, to me,

561
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:14,920
that's really troubling. So it just feels like more of

562
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,640
the same. And he could have another great regular season

563
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,279
next year, and I wouldn't expect anything different in the

564
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,759
playoffs than what we got this year and what we've seen.

565
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:27,880
What's the stat of like the five greatest like players

566
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,519
of this generation, like Lebron Stepp whatever, He's the only

567
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,240
guy to have more than like five games with less

568
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:36,640
than four field field goal attempts and he has like thirty.

569
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not a good sat Adam, this is the

570
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:42,839
toughest wonder Great.

571
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go I'm gonna go be because yes, it's

572
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:53,799
a similar regular season to the things he's done in

573
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:58,880
the past. He's also thirty five though now, and that's

574
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,960
gonna heavily way into my decision here. Even though Game

575
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,720
seven was bad, I'd say he had four good games

576
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,359
in this series, Like Game one would have been his game.

577
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,759
If they win Game one, that's on him, like he

578
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,079
was killing it. Yeah, but Game seven, Yeah, I agree

579
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,640
with Will, like I it's it's all on him at

580
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,440
this point to flip the narrative like and I don't

581
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,599
know this late into into his career if he if

582
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,480
he can do it. But these elimination games, they just

583
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,319
haven't been good enough. But Game six was great and

584
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:33,119
that was an elimination game. We technically got a Game seven.

585
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,559
But yeah, it's rough b B B B to be

586
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:39,039
minus somewhere in there.

587
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's we're gonna see it again next year, just

588
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,279
for this core just you know what I mean.

589
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,559
Speaker 2: So, and again I do want to stress like he

590
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,000
was incredible at points during the regular season, Like I'm

591
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,960
not taking away anything. Yeah, he he really, I mean

592
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,200
he's a huge part of the reason this team was a.

593
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: Zoo doesn't take Zoo doesn't have the season he has

594
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:01,920
without James Harden.

595
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's tough, Like I am definitely grating him

596
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,200
on a harder curve because of like what's expected and

597
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:10,839
like you know, like and what he's done and who

598
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,559
he is. So for a lot of other players, you know,

599
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,799
this would definitely even playoffs and pan, like even you know,

600
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:21,519
playoffs included, this would probably be an a season. But

601
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,680
because of like who he is and what he's done to.

602
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: Me, this is like this is a C season for him.

603
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,759
Speaker 1: Well yeah, Kawhi and Harden are on a much different

604
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:35,960
curve than anybody else for for what this team is now,

605
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:39,960
of the bench, who do we start with here because

606
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,279
we we're just we're doing with guys who finished the

607
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,839
year on the Clippers. Do we go Derek Jones junior

608
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,920
because he was a starter? No, ku, no, no KPg.

609
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,680
I don't think what's after a they have new grades.

610
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,720
How kids can get like six point zeros in the

611
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,839
high school now, don't even get me started on that. Uh,

612
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:08,239
Derek Jones Junior season grade. If you need a refresher

613
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,760
on his.

614
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: Stats, I know B plus.

615
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm investment where I'm.

616
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: At year shooting wise for the regular season.

617
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: Great defense obviously, like Electric gave us the legs, gave

618
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,599
us the dunks.

619
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 4: Like some of the best highlights from this season from DJ.

620
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: That one the put back he caught, It was like

621
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,719
all the way back here, camera working. That was phenomenal. Okay, yeah,

622
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,320
pretty firmly B plus overplayed his contract. Ten million a

623
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,320
year for Derek Jones Junior is crazy.

624
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,159
Speaker 2: He might be an at for me low a A

625
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,800
minus one.

626
00:34:53,679 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: Ninety Bogey bogged and Bogdanovic whole season considered short for

627
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,800
him for the Clippers, thirty games for the Clips, twenty

628
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,840
five minutes per game, did get off to a rough

629
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,760
start and then proceeded to shoot forty from three for

630
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,199
the Clippers.

631
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: I'll probably go BE minus.

632
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:21,679
Speaker 5: Yeah.

633
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:28,039
Speaker 4: He played better in the playoffs. He was inconsistent. His

634
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,519
playoff start was kind of like the start with the Clippers.

635
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,760
He started slow, he didn't make a shot the first

636
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:41,119
couple of games. Yeah, B minus C plus somewhere in there.

637
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: I think I would go B but only for all

638
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,079
the reasons you just said. I'm only bumping him up

639
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,800
because he made the shot to give Zoo his triple double.

640
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,639
Oh that's a good one. You know when you're you know,

641
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,880
when you give a teacher like, oh, goat you like

642
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,920
an apple or whatever. I'm he gets a B because

643
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:08,039
he he helped which he almost missed. So but yeah,

644
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,760
start of the playoffs was rough. He couldn't defend Lebron.

645
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,400
You know what the hell's to deal with that? What

646
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:18,880
do you think we brought you here for? We brought

647
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,840
you to stop him Brom? Uh, well, what are you

648
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,159
going be?

649
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,519
Speaker 5: Uh?

650
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in that like I'm in that mid B

651
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,280
I think range. He he did exceed expectations for me,

652
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:33,360
which were lowered by the start of his tenure, and

653
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:35,639
just this season in jail that he.

654
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: A lot of clippers.

655
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:44,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would say he slightly exceeded expectations. So

656
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,280
I'm gonna go B B two B minus Nick Batoon

657
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:52,239
a A.

658
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: How is he still doing this? He never plays bad?

659
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,679
How is he still doing this?

660
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go a minus only because I could have

661
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,199
used more of him at times in this series. Yeah,

662
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,119
and the regular regulations in the regular season for the

663
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,119
series and then, oh, we don't know how many minutes

664
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:18,519
he can play. They didn't say that, but some people

665
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:22,719
were wondering, well, why don't we find out since it's

666
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,039
the playoffs. Now, let's see how far we can push

667
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:25,440
this thing.

668
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: Also, they didn't have like a stellar, stellar game seven.

669
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: But uh was he seventeen minutes a game in the

670
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,840
regular season something like that.

671
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,519
Speaker 5: That's low.

672
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: For what the Clippers need. Ben Simmons, see, he was hurt.

673
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,000
He like his best game was maybe his first game

674
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,719
for the Clippers. The injury really does it.

675
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: This is a this is a C minus for me

676
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:02,280
minus too. It's still passing, I guess.

677
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:09,039
Speaker 4: But the first two games of the series he was good.

678
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: He did have some he have some really good moments.

679
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:21,199
Speaker 4: But he was good. Yeah, more than serviceable. But I

680
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,719
think he didn't play. He didn't play enough. The injury

681
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,840
hurt him. And his best game was that first game

682
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,559
against Utah.

683
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, Oh yeah, I forgot that it was

684
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,280
against Utah. So it's like just still.

685
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:36,079
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, just still some of the same some passivity.

686
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: Tyler talked about it just like.

687
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: The exact same issues and like this is this was

688
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,119
a team that was asking him to do like considerably less,

689
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:45,880
maybe a little bit more when he first started in

690
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,559
the lineup, just given sort of like yeah, they wanted

691
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,800
him to do some more ball handling, but like, other

692
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,800
than that, I just feel like he wasn't in a

693
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,320
position where he was really stretched as a player at

694
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,559
all or asked to do anything that would be crazy.

695
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: Like difficult for him.

696
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,639
Speaker 2: And I still feel like he kind of underwhelmed me

697
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,199
in a lot of those areas. So I would say, yeah,

698
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,599
it's a a C minus for me, because again, if

699
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,599
it was over, like if we had him over a

700
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:16,320
longer span, I don't know that this would be a

701
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,239
passing grade if the status quo stayed the same. But like,

702
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,960
I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt

703
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,679
and he's getting the C minus or what we saw.

704
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: Okay, a mirror coffee someone who a lot of fans

705
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:33,519
thought that would have turned the tide of the playoff series.

706
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:36,679
One guy stopped said he stopped listening to our channel

707
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,679
because I said that a mere coffee probably won't play

708
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,440
in this series, and for good reason. You're a fool,

709
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,960
I'm an idiot.

710
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 4: He'll never hear this that guess up.

711
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:53,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I hope you got muted.

712
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,599
Speaker 3: I hope you got hidden from the channel on YouTube.

713
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:56,960
So you're screaming to the void.

714
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,679
Speaker 1: See this, hide everybody. No one's getting blocked, but you

715
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,079
are screaming at nobody. If you're screaming on this chair,

716
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,559
where are you guys going? This is a weird one.

717
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:10,239
See maybe C minus. He was really bad defensively to

718
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,199
end the year. He played in more games than I

719
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,079
had remembered.

720
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of wish that we could take like

721
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:20,800
pre All Star break for a mere coffee because it

722
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,480
was just felt like such a jam.

723
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,199
Speaker 1: Twenty four game ten points, shot.

724
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,559
Speaker 4: Shooting splits are good. Yeah, Like I think I go

725
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:31,280
B minus.

726
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with that, like B minus to be it's well,

727
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:39,039
I mean, I was gonna say, it's not his fault.

728
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: You can play in the playoffs.

729
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,119
Speaker 1: His defense again, I love him here. He's weirdly one

730
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:50,760
of the longest tenure Clippers. But the defense at the

731
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,519
end of he was biting on pump fakes, he was

732
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:56,639
fouling shooters, he was doing stuff that this team. If

733
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:59,000
you're an offensive juggernaut, you can have a guy who

734
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,519
like oh weriginally felt when you're built on defense and

735
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:05,159
you have whatever the fourteenth ranked offense, you can't be

736
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,119
given away free buckets, and it felt like he was

737
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,679
doing that a little bit at the end of the year.

738
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:12,480
And I don't think he would have made a difference

739
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,519
against the Nuggets. I'm sorry, probably not.

740
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, as.

741
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he's bad either. He's a rotational NBA player.

742
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I don't know. There's role players struggle so

743
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,280
much in this series. I don't I don't know. AMR

744
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:36,119
might have been better than some of these guys the

745
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:37,760
way they were playing, but he.

746
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: Was just cold too.

747
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 4: Well, he got hurt. It was weird that he didn't

748
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,119
play even in garbage time of this series. And I'm

749
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,000
pretty sure he's gone this offseason.

750
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 5: But uh, I don't know.

751
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,199
Speaker 4: It would have been interesting to see, but be minus

752
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:55,519
for me.

753
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: We'll probably see it next year. Drew Eubanks the Australian Sensation.

754
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:17,039
Speaker 4: D down and uh.

755
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:19,079
Speaker 1: Yep plus yeah, Like, I don't know, backup center, he's

756
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,360
not the worst backup center the Clippers have ever had,

757
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:31,840
so that's should he should put that somewhere. Kobe Brown, Yeah, Moses,

758
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Kobe Brown felt like you didn't really take a step.

759
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,119
Maybe an incomplete and but like a respectful incomplete, Like

760
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,599
you couldn't have gotten this down. I'm really sorry. Got

761
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,679
some playoff minutes killed it in game seven. No one's

762
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,159
talking about that part of the game.

763
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:53,119
Speaker 4: I'll go see minus. I don't.

764
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: It's a weird one to grade.

765
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:57,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is an incomplete type thing.

766
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Patty Mills, Hey, hey, I for like. He was

767
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,960
great with the content team. He was here to do.

768
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,320
He did it what he.

769
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: Did exactly what I thought he was gonna do, man

770
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:13,559
and bring good vibes.

771
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: Just brings bring the vibes. Finally, Jordan Miller.

772
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 4: I'll go C plus they see see.

773
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,159
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. He's running out of time to show

774
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,239
what he can do, and I don't like. I think

775
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,679
we've seen it far. That's the roster construction far, that's

776
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:43,039
the minutes he's been given. I don't know if we've

777
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:44,079
seen it.

778
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 4: It was a big story the first two months of

779
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,360
the season. Oh yeah, we talked about Jordan Miller so

780
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,400
much and he started hot and then they adjusted and

781
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,639
he's got to adjust back.

782
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,159
Speaker 1: He's got to adjust back. Next year's grade will be

783
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:00,599
a lot more important. He's got to adjust back. Now

784
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:03,440
we get to the coach. I just want to level

785
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,039
set though, JVG and Brian Shaw. We're giving a's right.

786
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, Tyler, what does Brian Shaw do?

787
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:23,519
Speaker 1: Interim coach goes? He goes undefeated? TYLERU holistic season grade.

788
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:29,440
I'm going B minus.

789
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: This is heavily waited on the playoff series. Therefore, yeah,

790
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:40,559
it's B minors to C plus.

791
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: Regular season A A plus plus plus.

792
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,039
Speaker 4: It's just there was still like sixty percent of your

793
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:52,920
grade was still waiting in the playoffs.

794
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,159
Speaker 1: And that's exactly. Yes, it's like, yes, it's exactly that's

795
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:58,239
how it's waiting on this show.

796
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,599
Speaker 4: I was thoroughly disappointed with Coach Lou in his playoff series.

797
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,920
And I love Coach Lou, but I expected to be better.

798
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: I don't think it had a larger tactical advantage in

799
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,760
this series, which is.

800
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: Kind of shocking.

801
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 4: I do put I do start with players when I

802
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,280
think about this stuff. But the series was so close

803
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,280
that when you don't put in rebounding personnel at the

804
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,519
end of game four defenders and you lose that game,

805
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:39,400
and yes they came back, I don't know how to

806
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,519
weigh how much blame should go and coach Lou for

807
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:44,360
the lack of urgency and how much is it on

808
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,480
the players? I don't know how to divvy up that

809
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:50,519
type of play, especially why did they come out flat.

810
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:54,199
Speaker 1: In game seven? Specifically kau I had it. Yeah, game

811
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:59,519
six they played good. Well, excuse me, we are grading.

812
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

813
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,039
Speaker 4: Get I don't blame the turnovers on him in game one.

814
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,519
Speaker 1: Oh god, no, I do not blame the turnovers. I'll die.

815
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 4: It's it's really it's because in game four so much

816
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:21,159
was demanded strategically and they came up short there and yeah,

817
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,880
and then not playing I think. I don't know. I

818
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,239
thought I thought after game four, okay, but team's gonna

819
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,480
start game five, here we go. He doesn't start till

820
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,840
the second half a game six. So I do think

821
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,199
there's some level of the urgency starts up top. It's

822
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,039
got to be there, and then it trickles down to

823
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:41,599
the team and the players. I know it's not it's

824
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:43,679
a really tough job, but yeah, I'm going to be.

825
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:51,199
Speaker 1: Minus well yeah, I mean, like.

826
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 2: Range, he is just such a huge part of this team.

827
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,440
Over exceed like you know, over exceeding expectations. That's really

828
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:05,440
hard for me, Towagh, but I've been super harsh on

829
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,719
everybody else through the playoffs. So I'm with Adham though,

830
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,039
because I just the thing I struggle with a lot

831
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,880
is like, yes, there are some some tactical errors and

832
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,480
in key moments, but like, how much of these games

833
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:26,519
coming as close as they are, it's really just about

834
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,039
execution on the side of the players. And I just

835
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:32,519
don't know, you know, like I know that I know

836
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,519
that this is a thing that happens a lot to

837
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,039
the Clippers, like sort of regardless of coach. So I

838
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:38,679
don't know, you know, like I don't really know like

839
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,360
what to say about that, Like I have no comment.

840
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,679
Speaker 1: On that, but.

841
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 2: There's a lot that went wrong in that series that

842
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,960
I can't put on tie. So that's why he's not

843
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,280
like a CEE or below to me. But yeah, I'm

844
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,639
probably probably at like a B minus.

845
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

846
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 4: They hit their threes. They're wide open threes that they

847
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,440
generated through ties and James Harden's offense, Like they shot

848
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,599
three percent or three and a half percent worse from

849
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:12,960
three than Denver. That could easily be the difference.

850
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: I even some of the defensive schemes, which I know

851
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:22,159
is like JBG as well, but like there were times

852
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,119
that we were not executing on stuff that we had

853
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:26,920
done all year long, and I just like that, like

854
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:29,679
that's why games get close, that's why you blow games,

855
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,000
And that has nothing to do to me personally, that

856
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:32,800
has nothing to do.

857
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 4: With the coach.

858
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: Coach isn't out there. We ended the season on an

859
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,079
eight game winning streak to avoid the plane too, Like

860
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:43,920
it's like, it's not like we walked into fifty wins.

861
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 4: Yeah no, yeah, I mean coach Lou had a good year,

862
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,440
a really good year. It was just that series that

863
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:57,320
left you one and war and a lot of this

864
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,360
is on the players for sure, because there were many

865
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,760
times were it's like you've got the mismatch Kawhi, you

866
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,960
have Jamal Murray on you now go at him like,

867
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,199
I don't know. It was just a bad, bad series

868
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:11,679
all around.

869
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. That in the Beverly Hills video, I know that's

870
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,679
weighing on Will's grade.

871
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it.

872
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,559
Speaker 1: Oh really well, I never saw it. He's just like

873
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,320
walking around some guys like what are you doing? Man?

874
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,000
He's like, We're good. What's up? All right? Let us

875
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:34,960
know your player grades at Clippers Pod on Twitter at

876
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,920
Clippers podcast on YouTube. I know that no one will

877
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,920
agree with anything that we said. I promise you we

878
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,719
didn't mean to personally offend you with our grades. That's

879
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:49,599
all I can say. Great our grades, Yeah, great, our grades?

880
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

881
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: Right? Your professor over here? Yeah, who's got the most

882
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,000
chili peppers? All right? Coming up quick, just Lawrence Frank

883
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:01,000
presser talk and then we we'll send all of you

884
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:04,239
on your way. Audio break with some ads coming up

885
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,239
in three two one.

886
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 4: Welcome back in is clips and Dip episode sixty six

887
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,000
of season three. I'm out of Maslam. We got Chef

888
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:18,800
Mackler and Will Updyke here as we work through the

889
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,119
start of the off season now, and it really starts

890
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,480
when you get that exit interview from Lawrence Frank, the

891
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:29,800
postseason presser from him, and he commented about he was

892
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,079
hoping to push this back longer and in this effect

893
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:35,199
to be doing it right now. Hey, coach lou thought,

894
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:39,039
you know they be taken on OKAC. Unfortunately it's not

895
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:43,679
the case. We heard from l Frank on Monday a

896
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:49,480
couple of different pressing matters. I guess when it comes

897
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:54,039
to this offseason. The first, I mean, we got time,

898
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,480
so I don't know how pressing they are. But the

899
00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:00,440
one thing that came to mind immediately after the season

900
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:01,840
was over, it because I think it's kind of been

901
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,320
underreported throughout this year, is like, guys, if James Harden

902
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,239
opts out and leave, it's like they're gonna have thirty

903
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,079
five million dollars to play with now. Is that unlikely? Probably,

904
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,719
but it could happen. I don't know. He didn't talk

905
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,519
to the media the last three games they lost in

906
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:25,039
this series, which was rough, so L Frank made it

907
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:29,559
known that his thinking is that he and Kawhi will

908
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:32,639
be back, but he obviously has a contingency planned in

909
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,239
plays if James Harden doesn't, because he could be a

910
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,760
free agent, they could restructure a new deal for two years,

911
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,000
line him up with Kawhi Leonard or James Hard Can

912
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,599
can I go for more money in that case, I

913
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:46,840
don't think they're going to, you know, take it past

914
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,079
two years with him as a Clipper, so they're going

915
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:52,000
to have to figure something out. If he really likes

916
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:53,480
La enough, I think it has to be a two

917
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:56,679
year deal. But that's the first I think Domino to

918
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,199
fall that would really change the offseason for the Clippers.

919
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like what Will said earlier too, is like

920
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,360
match it with Kawhi. I just hope we can match

921
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,280
it with Kawhi's years. Everyone the scuttle but has kind

922
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,559
of been that he's going to opt out and resign

923
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,679
with the clip like that that's been most I.

924
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: Just don't know that the offers are out there otherwise,

925
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,880
Like what I mean, like, if you're Houston, would you

926
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,679
offer him an extra year on a lower deal and

927
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,880
hope that you know, just live with what it is

928
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,639
that he does in the playoffs and be like, well,

929
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:33,480
we could we need offense of some kind and if

930
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:35,400
we can get him for the right price, like we'll

931
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:36,199
take it.

932
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,559
Speaker 3: And it's a you know, a little bit of a

933
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:39,519
reunion tour.

934
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:41,519
Speaker 1: Because he has lef money on the table throughout his

935
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:42,039
career too.

936
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,559
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, a lot.

937
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: Like I mean, we're talking like one hundred and fifty

938
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,159
million dollars, two hundred million dollars, so it's a lot

939
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:51,639
of money.

940
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,679
Speaker 1: And the new Apron rules make it weird. I don't

941
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,360
even I gotta we'll get into detail with this later,

942
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,800
but I don't know what the Clippers can offer him contract.

943
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,280
Why if he does opt out. With the new Apron

944
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,480
rules and stuff.

945
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 3: They're gonna stay under. They're gonna stay under tax any tax.

946
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they could give him like two years

947
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,039
eighty million suppot that.

948
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 5: I think I.

949
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: Would be fine with that.

950
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 4: I guess it's a bump of five million per year.

951
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:27,159
Speaker 1: We also, as would Adam, kind of will to desperately

952
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,079
need him. No matter what you think of Harden for

953
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,719
next year, the books don't open up until the end

954
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,079
of next season. We desperately need If you thought we

955
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,840
didn't have a point guard this season, and.

956
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: I guess, and I guess like sort of our harsh

957
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:42,199
grades aside.

958
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,199
Speaker 1: But we need him to be the point guard next

959
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,760
year or this team is a maybe a thirty five team.

960
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at how Game seven started

961
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,719
to unravel, it was the first two minutes of the

962
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,800
second quarter with James Harden's off the floor. The Clippers

963
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:03,360
offense has nothing. We've seen that many times, so are were.

964
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: Actively changing his grade. No grades are final in my class.

965
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,639
Uh yeah, it's I think everything points to him every

966
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,719
all the signs are putting into opting out and signing again,

967
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:21,000
it's the years that's the big thing.

968
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:23,599
Speaker 4: I think he wants to be in LA. I think

969
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:27,280
they obviously want him back. I think he's worth more

970
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,159
to the Clippers that he'd be pretty much anywhere else.

971
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,559
I just don't know about.

972
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: Like forty forty for James anywhere else to me seems

973
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,199
kind of like a stretch like who has like you know,

974
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,960
like who has a cap like like the cap space

975
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,239
plus is in you know, fringe contender ish, you know

976
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,079
who like that he would actually be valuable for because

977
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:53,440
obviously there's teams with cap space. They're not the teams

978
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,960
that are going to sink forty million dollars into James Harden.

979
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
And there's not that many teams with cap space to

980
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,480
begin with, so I think the demand is kind.

981
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: Of yeah, it's not very hi.

982
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:09,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree. It's like if you let so,

983
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:12,039
let's say a mirror is making like four million this year,

984
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,679
if they let him goat and give James Harden four

985
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,039
more million per year over the next two than he

986
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,800
had last two years, Like, that's how you can do

987
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,480
it right there.

988
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why it's very workable for them. And as

989
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,719
much as sorry, no, I mean as much as people

990
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,679
are going to go why are you guys doing this

991
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,440
and he didn't show up in game seven. A lot

992
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,440
of guys didn't show up in game seven. Of course

993
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,960
he has the track record. We're still paying a lot

994
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,400
of that in regular season production, and he was I

995
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,719
think the MVP this season, the biggest reason they got

996
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:48,800
to fifty games.

997
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's a It's not a quagmire because

998
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:54,719
he is so good during the regular season, but the

999
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,679
Clippers are kind of stuck. And I don't mean that

1000
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,679
in an incredibly negative way, but just where the team

1001
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,480
is to lose James Harden again, no draft pick. We

1002
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:06,400
can't tank. If you're a new Clippers fan, a trade

1003
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,519
happened a couple of years ago where we cannot tank.

1004
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:12,239
So they're and they've stated like we're not going to

1005
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,800
put out a shitty team, basically like we're not going

1006
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,000
to tank. Also, when you have quite literally no incentive

1007
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,920
to do that, you kind of have to resign James

1008
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,159
and then there's probably be back here in three hundred

1009
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:26,000
and sixty five days. But that's a different discussion.

1010
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 4: There's not a point guard as good as him in

1011
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,840
free agency that.

1012
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,639
Speaker 3: She can only move close, only moves backwards.

1013
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there aren't even two that can kind of

1014
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,960
do his production. I think that are younger. No, that

1015
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:46,199
stuff doesn't happen. A conversation for another day, but oh yeah,

1016
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,599
part of the funds they're going to have open up

1017
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,639
for them over twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven. It's like,

1018
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:58,360
this is great, but you're probably still going to have

1019
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,679
to make a big trade because the guys that you like,

1020
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:05,719
it's rare guys hit free agency anymore that are that good.

1021
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,039
They let Paul George go, and that was kind of

1022
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:13,079
a rare thing. He was also thirty four and injury prone,

1023
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:17,840
and it was the right move. But especially as I

1024
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,880
look forward to seeing seventy million dollars in Kapri open

1025
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,960
up in twenty six, it's like, this is awesome, but

1026
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:28,840
to find that guy, you're probably gonna have to trade

1027
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,039
for him, because teams aren't dumb enough to let guys

1028
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:32,199
leave for nothing anymore.

1029
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the other guy, Paul.

1030
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: George gets an A on the season. Just thank you

1031
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:41,239
for validating that. Thank you for validating our decision in

1032
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,760
every single way. I know that the season ultimately ended

1033
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,760
similarly as to uh it did when you were here,

1034
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,119
but it felt a whole lot better Buddy so a

1035
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:51,480
a plus to Paul George.

1036
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: Damn, this is a teacher who just got tenure. Okay.

1037
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,920
Nick Patum reportedly said to opt into him his player option. Great.

1038
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:04,679
We also probably need Nick Patum next year if you

1039
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:07,880
look at who's on this team. And then last thing,

1040
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,920
the Norm Powell extension. El Frank's quote he's locked in

1041
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,360
next season for twenty million, then he's unrestricted. I think

1042
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,159
he lost himself a lot of money in the playoffs.

1043
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:21,039
But whatever L Frank said, there's nothing better when you

1044
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,599
have guys who have been in organization and that you

1045
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,119
can financially take care of. And we also share a

1046
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:28,880
big picture. This is how we plan on building the team,

1047
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,280
and see if it's a marriage that makes sense. Interested

1048
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,440
to see what these negotiations look like for Norm Powell.

1049
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,519
They have time, as Adam said, but I don't know

1050
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:44,239
if he will be back after next year, depending on

1051
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:45,800
how the contracts line up.

1052
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd kind of be I might be surprised if

1053
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,000
he's with them past next trade deadline.

1054
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,559
Speaker 1: You can get a first round pick, Adam. You and

1055
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:58,079
I were talking about this the last time we did

1056
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,480
a live someone in them. If you can get a

1057
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,440
first round pick for Norm pal next year. Make that deal.

1058
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:07,360
I love Norm. He's a really he was untouchable this

1059
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,079
year because the Clippers needed them. But now the shop

1060
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:13,280
they for sure shopped.

1061
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:13,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1062
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: But now if he has another hot start or something,

1063
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,559
you know what I mean, Like, I think he's we

1064
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:22,000
need it.

1065
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,719
Speaker 4: He's your best chance to try to get that for

1066
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:32,440
trading Norm Powell. People talk about the John Collins thing

1067
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:33,960
all the time, but maybe.

1068
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:36,239
Speaker 1: Maybe this is the year.

1069
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:40,039
Speaker 4: This is our year to get John Collins.

1070
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we was talking about, John Collins. And

1071
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:48,679
who's the other one. That's all about Miles Turner. I

1072
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:51,639
saw some people asking law Murray about getting Miles Turner.

1073
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:53,400
We're not gonna do that. We can't.

1074
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,199
Speaker 3: Are you watching the Pacers right now?

1075
00:59:56,039 --> 00:59:57,559
Speaker 1: He's loving his life.

1076
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's like a free agent that's gonna get

1077
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:04,559
paid a ton of money deservedly.

1078
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, but it's like, dude, he's not leaving in the.

1079
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,719
Speaker 4: Like he's a center too. I don't think he could

1080
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:11,400
play next to the he sas Zubas. I don't think

1081
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,079
that would work well. Yeah.

1082
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:17,079
Speaker 1: As also said, we need to have a new conversation

1083
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:20,199
about what Fords do in the NBA. Well, how do

1084
01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:27,760
you feel about Norm? Quick? Norm thoughts tell you what.

1085
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,199
I hope he starts the next season like he did

1086
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:29,679
this season.

1087
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's he's extension eligible essentially, so they could

1088
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,480
lock him up for another what three years or test

1089
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:39,079
free agency.

1090
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 4: The thing is, it's the same thing where you'd want, like, Okay,

1091
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:50,559
it would be great to have Norm for two more

1092
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:53,519
years to line him up with Kawhi and James Harden.

1093
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:55,000
Also is.

1094
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: On the third he's got the he's got the guaranteed

1095
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:03,199
year on next season, and you give them.

1096
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: Two with the player option. Wait two with the player option. Yeah, okay,

1097
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:10,599
three with the player option would be crazy because he

1098
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:12,039
would opt into that in a second.

1099
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 4: You want to clear your books for twenty twenty seven.

1100
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:20,559
So I just think he rightfully so you could get

1101
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:24,519
one hundred million dollars over like three years, and he

1102
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:27,039
should do it. I just don't know if the Clippers

1103
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:31,639
is the perfect situation for that, I think. And now

1104
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:33,440
you're going past twenty twenty seven.

1105
01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 7: Rockets should make some calls again every team They actually should,

1106
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,239
maybe though, Yeah, the signing Norm to one hundred million

1107
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,719
dollar contract would give me a headache.

1108
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: That's what the big, the big, that quote he should

1109
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,599
cash in like him in a mere coffee, different levels

1110
01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:59,239
of cashing in cash in.

1111
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1112
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,639
Speaker 4: Now, if they could get him on a team cap

1113
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,920
friendly extension that's still a tradable extension like that what

1114
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,719
they did with Terrence Man, all good. Yeah, then that

1115
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,159
might make him more valuable in a trade for a

1116
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:19,639
team because they know they haven't locked up for this

1117
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:23,519
many years. But I would be surprised if he just

1118
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:25,559
with them past next trade deadline.

1119
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, cap goes up every year, some weird situation, all right.

1120
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:31,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like.

1121
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: I guess at two and one or a one and

1122
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,840
one at thirty with the cap going up thirty one

1123
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,039
seem as crazy.

1124
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:49,719
Speaker 1: Oh I thought he might his age, Yeah.

1125
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 4: I mean lot do it. Yeah, this is your time

1126
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,159
to get like that four year deal.

1127
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he got hurt, you know what I mean,

1128
01:02:58,800 --> 01:02:59,280
Like it's not.

1129
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:01,679
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1130
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,679
Speaker 4: So I think he got like four to ninety from Portland.

1131
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,639
I think he's got one more of those in him,

1132
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:08,119
he does.

1133
01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is his last big contract.

1134
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 4: And I love Norm I hate to see him go.

1135
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,159
But you got to get understand the timeline and where

1136
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:20,960
the Clippers are at and where he's at It's just

1137
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:25,920
I don't know. I think he's We've been talking about

1138
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,119
Norman being trade though for years and we've been wrong before,

1139
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:31,960
so maybe it's he's gonna be a lifelong Clipper, right.

1140
01:03:32,199 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll build the statue, all right. Think about that

1141
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,800
about wraps it up. Our first full up of the

1142
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,440
off season. We did it. We made it, no dips.

1143
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:45,280
We get grace on the first did you bring dips?

1144
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:46,599
Speaker 5: Okay?

1145
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 4: What I did earlier?

1146
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: What did you make a dip?

1147
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:55,079
Speaker 4: I went through the Taco Bell drive through, right and

1148
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,880
I ordered chips and nacho cheese, and I saved like

1149
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,199
one ship and a little bit nacho cheese. That was

1150
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:04,320
gonna fake it and be like, yeah, guys, I've had

1151
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:05,320
my dip the whole time.

1152
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: Oh I love it.

1153
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:12,199
Speaker 4: You know, it's just been sitting there for hours.

1154
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:16,039
Speaker 1: No such thing as a deep fake. We're gonna be

1155
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,760
back next week at some point to talk the free

1156
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,679
agent list that everyone no doubt has looked at and

1157
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:27,199
gone okay, as well as what moves the Clippers can

1158
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,119
actually make. The dip recipes. If you're new to the show,

1159
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,079
we do dip recipes in the off season because the

1160
01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:37,280
people demanded us. They would write us letters and say

1161
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,519
clips and dip. I know, when there's basketball, it's fine,

1162
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:43,719
where are the dips? We will be making dips and

1163
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,960
reviewing them during the off season. It's not the whole

1164
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,039
show could be. If you have any dip recipes that

1165
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:53,000
you think we should try, tweet them to us at

1166
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,320
clippers Pod.

1167
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 3: Put the comments on YouTube.

1168
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: Or put them on the co with the ingredients. Don't

1169
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,199
be like trying. We got some bangers and we do

1170
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,400
have secret recipes. We do healthy dips. Wills bring in

1171
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,800
the healthy dips. I sometimes stretch the definition of dip,

1172
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:13,000
but it's a fun time. People like it.

1173
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:16,039
Speaker 3: Solsa is a dip hot sauces not yes, exactly.

1174
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: Well, now that we're talking about dips and giving player grades,

1175
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,239
where can people express their.

1176
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, look, the real season starts right now. Okay

1177
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:33,719
on this show, the off season is uh oh, got it.

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It's the these theories day resistants. It's what you come

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here for. So you're gonna want to go ahead and

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tell your friends, tell yourself, send a little reminder to

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listen to the show wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah,

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but listen over on Apple podcast, Spotify, go ahead, leave

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a little regular review helps us out. But the best

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way to watch this show, to see these delicious dips

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across your screen, is going to be at YouTube dot com.

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That's at Clippers Podcast with however you listen and watch.

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Speaker 3: You know, we appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: When you met delicious dips, were you talking about the

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condiment or us? Oh freak, I thought that was pretty good. Okay, Adam,

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this you did. You had to do the hardest. Give

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something to be positive about last week. I don't know,

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I can't, I can't. I actually can't remember anything from

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last week. I've white, I've men in blacked myself. One

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positive thing, Adam, for these Clippers fans.

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Speaker 4: You know a lot of teams have been unlucky with

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injuries in the playoffs, but not us.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we'll go into the off season fully healthy.

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Speaker 1: I love that. He's absolutely right. All right, we will

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be were smiling through the pain. We will be back

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with a coot mall next week. Have a great western

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of your week and the weekend, and as always, let's

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go Clips.