WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:09.359 Caloroga Shark Media. 2 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.400 Hey there, I'm Johnny Mackin Mike Chisholm, the host of 3 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.719 The Letterman podcast, and we are friendly and sometimes we 4 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.440 do crossover episodes. Mike and I recently did a session 5 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:21.960 where we talked about things for like two and a 6 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.000 half hours, and I chopped it up into pieces, and 7 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:28.079 here Mike and I were discussing the state of comedy 8 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:29.839 as twenty twenty five came to an end. 9 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:31.800 It's been an interesting year in all sorts of areas, 10 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:35.479 but in comedy, I don't know, man, I just feel 11 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:39.679 like the genre and the industry that is stand up 12 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:43.039 has never had a bigger, more successful year. But in 13 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.479 that it's also felt never's felt as divided as it's felt. 14 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:49.240 But you're the guru when it comes to this stuff. 15 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:52.600 What do you think about that assertation? Yeah, it's interesting. 16 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:56.000 I just saw a piece on Vulture suggesting that comedians 17 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:59.200 need to get more angsty and fight more and believing 18 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:02.039 as a pot cast host, I love when the comedians 19 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:04.519 are battling. You know, you and I should start award 20 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:07.480 just for the for the clicks. But let's do it. 21 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:09.519 You know. On the other hand, if you look at it, 22 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:12.640 what's really working is the Nate Berganzis of the world 23 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:16.719 doing the clean comedy, family stuff. You know, Sebastian manaskalgo 24 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:20.120 that style of comedy. But then at the other end 25 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.439 you've got the the canceled of Ricky Gervais and Shane 26 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.799 Gillis and Dave Chappelle. They're all canceled and they're never 27 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:28.280 going to be able to speak again. They're selling out Arenas. Ye, 28 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:33.319 you've got that other wing of austin Ish and the 29 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.200 Chraysiers and the Rogans and the Sigoras. You've got all 30 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:41.719 that going on, so it's sort of fractured. It's tremendously successful. 31 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.079 I'm all over the place. When they did the Top 32 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:48.920 Communities of the Century, Dane Cook wasn't mentioned. Has everyone 33 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:52.159 forgotten what a huge comic Dane was and Dane selling 34 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:55.719 out the Garden was a statement with three exclamation points. 35 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.640 But now you know, I love them, But we're all 36 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:00.920 sells out the Garden. Everybody sells out the Garden, so 37 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:04.120 you know something has changed there. The business is bigger 38 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:06.680 than ever. A lot of that is Netflix driven, for sure, 39 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:11.840 but yeah, it's just a weird time. But there's comedy 40 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:12.840 for everybody. 41 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:17.360 Right, Oh, definitely, Like, but thank you for mentioning Dane, 42 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:20.120 because I remember back in the day. It's interesting that 43 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.360 you talked about all the different facets of comedy, and 44 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:25.199 I remember how big of a deal it was when 45 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:27.840 dice Clay sold out Madison Square Garden, Like that was 46 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.520 a huge, huge, when when when dice Clay was, oh 47 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:33.960 my god, Andrew dice Clay is doing an arena, you know, 48 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:36.439 and then you know, you'd hear about it every once 49 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.719 in a while. But then you got Dane who comes 50 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:42.560 in in the early party and I okay, fine, the 51 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:45.080 Billboard list was of the twenty first century, the top 52 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.800 twenty five comics of the twenty first century. Well, I'm sorry, 53 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:50.319 but if there was a guy that brought in comedy 54 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:52.560 and elevated it at the beginning part of the century 55 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:54.639 in the early two thousand, it was Dane. It was 56 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:56.919 a big deal, the tour that he went on, that 57 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:01.080 run he went on, and I mean, you know, it's 58 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.479 different than Kennyson, but it's similar to Kinnyson in the 59 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:07.639 sense that there's this huge thing that happens and it 60 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.080 inspires all of these people, and then a couple of 61 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.240 years later, you know, the star fades and it goes 62 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:16.400 across and and and and and now we're here in 63 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:18.360 twenty twenty five and we're debating whether he should be 64 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:20.240 even be on the list. Well, to me, of course 65 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:21.879 he should be on the list, but some people have 66 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:23.159 short memories when it comes to this stuff. 67 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:25.960 I suppose I have a strong opinion on My theory 68 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.240 is that the stylized comedians and Dan Cook did have 69 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.840 a style to him, the physicality and the way he spoke, 70 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:35.639 you know, maybe not full on character like a dice, 71 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.960 but it's the brick wall comedians that tend to last. 72 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.000 The Bill Burrs, the Dave Chappelle is just a guy 73 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:44.800 talking in front of a brick wall. We could put 74 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.639 an arena, we could do with theater in the round shore, 75 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:51.000 but it's the traditional George Carlin esque stand up of 76 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:52.759 I'm gonna stand here and just tell you what's on 77 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.280 my mind. Where some of that stylized stuff we've seen 78 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:57.960 shooting stars over the years and they come and go 79 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.800 and they're they're white hot, and they have that three 80 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.039 four years and then they kind of go away. I'm 81 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.159 not sure Dane is full on stylized comedian to use 82 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.520 the term. But you know, he was just a monster, 83 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:12.120 a quote unquote rock star there for a while, good 84 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:16.680 looking guy, really lighting up crowds, people quoting his material, 85 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.560 and you know, you go about twenty years later and 86 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:23.079 it's like he's forgotten somehow. It's weird. 87 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.680 Now, Yeah, it's crazy that he wasn't on that list, 88 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:27.800 like like, like, as far as I'm concerned, he ushered 89 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:32.160 comedy into the twenty first century by making it more, 90 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.439 you know, talking about the MySpace stuff and the way 91 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:37.560 that he would use the Internet, not just in his act. 92 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.680 I mean, of course his act was very very you know, 93 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:42.199 it talked a lot about the Internet and things like that, 94 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.399 but the way that he built his community was a 95 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:50.480 blueprint for what I imagine if podcasting existed back does now. 96 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:51.800 I mean, he would have been one of the first 97 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:54.680 people with a podcast. He really really saw where the 98 00:04:54.680 --> 00:05:00.680 puck was going and led an entire genre in that direction. 99 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:04.079 I just so yeah. But that being said that, the 100 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:06.959 Billboard list was interesting. I really love I recommend everybody 101 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.800 to go back and listen to the Daily Comedy News 102 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:13.720 podcast episodes where where Johnny goes through the Top twenty 103 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:16.240 the Billboard Top twenty five Comedians of the Century. It's 104 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:18.480 it's it's very very good. You split up in two episodes. Again, 105 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:21.680 bite sized, really really simple, not like this behemoth of 106 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.560 a show where it's long form. I really really like 107 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:26.480 the bite size aspect of of what it is that 108 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.399 you're doing. And boy, you've got lots of stuff to 109 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.800 talk about, and we could do separate shows. And we 110 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:33.439 are going to do separate shows when it comes to this, 111 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.399 because there is so much to talk about. But the 112 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:40.800 guy who brought me into this podcasting game, David Letterman, 113 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:43.920 has put out in the last month a whole bunch 114 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:45.920 of new content. In fact, more content in the last 115 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.839 month than I think if you add up all the 116 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:51.000 rest of the months, I think you might be pretty close. 117 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:53.959 Have you watched any of the new My Next Guests yet? 118 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.040 I started to watch the Sandler episode, okay, and I 119 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:04.720 really struggle. So I'm stealing from Jimmy Buffett fans here. 120 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.759 There was a group of Jimmy Buffett fans who created 121 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:13.560 Church of Buffett Orthodox Yes, And what their premise was 122 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.720 was that at one point Jimmy Buffett was about, Hey, 123 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:17.519 let's hang out at the beach and have a good time, 124 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.959 and over the years, it became about product and knockoff 125 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.839 Corona beer and restaurants, and I kind of want to 126 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:31.920 form Church of Letterman Orthodox who believe in the I 127 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:33.560 got to have a self trouble here the Testament of 128 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:37.360 the twelve thirty. We might read the eleven thirty, and 129 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.600 then the later works of David Letterman just aren't our thing. 130 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.240 And boy, I just so just where my mind is. 131 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.160 I was on YouTube the other night and I almost 132 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.839 sent this to you, but then the clip went sideways. 133 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:51.160 But the first few minutes of the clip were guys 134 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:54.680 throwing stuff off a bridge onto a frozen lake, and 135 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:57.279 I was like, yeah, that, I want more of that. 136 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.319 Why isn't anyone doing that? Dave? Can you throw something 137 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.079 off a bridge on a frozen lake? I want to 138 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:07.040 watch that? And this Elder Statesman Letterman, I don't take 139 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.439 away anyone's enjoyment of it. I don't take away your 140 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.720 enjoyment of it. I'm glad Dave somehow has gone from 141 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:15.720 a guy in a bad mood that doesn't interview people 142 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.279 to the great interviewer. That's an interesting transformation. But those 143 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.240 of us in the Church of Letterman Orthodox, I just 144 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:24.360 want to throw stuff off a five story tower and 145 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:28.240 have Chris Elliott do something weird and make fun of 146 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:32.519 the whole thing not being that funny, making it funny. 147 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.879 And as I've called it over the years, Establishment Letterman 148 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:39.079 just isn't my thing. I feel bad saying this out loud, 149 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:43.240 especially off this show that's you know, maybe some of 150 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.160 your fans will be like, yes, Church of Letterman Orthodox, 151 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:46.759 I want to sign. 152 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.879 Up, Oh gosh, yeah, And I mean there are you know, 153 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:52.399 I like the fact that our show is the size 154 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:54.680 that it is because I can kind of look into 155 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:56.879 the people who support the show, and you can see 156 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:00.519 the different I can still see everything. It's like it's 157 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:02.879 it's like when a musician is still playing in a 158 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:05.800 in a venue that's like maybe under seven hundred people, 159 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:07.959 they can kind of still kind of see everybody that's 160 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:09.800 in the audience as they're playing on it. And it 161 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.720 kind of feels that way. Certainly, there is a huge 162 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:17.160 contingent of people who tolerate this show because every once 163 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:21.920 in a while they get a beautiful itch scratch talking 164 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:26.480 about the late night show that they enjoy enjoyed so much. 165 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.759 The Church of Letterman or the Orthodox Letterman Church would Yes, 166 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.679 there certainly would be a lot of members. But that 167 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:38.480 being said, the he did transform, and I would I 168 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:43.200 would submit that the long form, you know, skills that 169 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:47.279 Dave has has is now showing us. Really at the 170 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.000 end of the day, I think it took a career 171 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:52.120 to build the skills that he has done. When it 172 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.399 has has gotten when it comes to this stuff, I 173 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.120 see him interviewing Sandler and it's it's an interesting thing. 174 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:58.879 We'll do an entire episode once. I want to wait 175 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.440 till you watch the entire episode if you can stomach it. 176 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:04.679 Because one of the things that you talk about is 177 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:08.200 the idea about how strong a dramatic actor Adam Sandler 178 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:13.279 actually is as opposed to being a comedian or being 179 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:15.759 a funny man. And and and I love the reoccurring 180 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.039 bit that that appears. Whether it's a bit or not, 181 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:20.279 I guess remains to be seen on your show where 182 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.759 you talk about that. They certainly talk about it in 183 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.600 the in in Dave's long form interview with them, But 184 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:28.639 more so I think back to the days you were 185 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:32.320 talking about, and I can remember Adam Sandler's first few 186 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:36.759 times on Late Night, and it's really cool to watch 187 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:39.039 Dave go back and talk to some of these people 188 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.360 that he has had a TV or a showbiz relationship 189 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:45.720 with for so long, and they can talk about some 190 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:47.759 of those early days and things like that and add 191 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.080 that as an element to the to the conversation. So 192 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.240 you and I can go really deep on the Adam 193 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.799 Sandler one and that'll be a lot of fun. But 194 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.039 they're all good. The Mister Beast episode is good, really 195 00:09:58.080 --> 00:09:59.799 good in fact, especially for people who don't know who 196 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:02.639 Miss Beast is, you know, biggest broadcaster on the planet. 197 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:04.759 A lot of people still don't know who who he is. 198 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.080 I didn't know who Mister Beast was other than his name, 199 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:10.879 so it's interesting to hear Dave kind of come from 200 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:16.120 the curiosity standpoint with him. The Michael B. Jordan episode 201 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.919 very very good as well, very strong. I put that 202 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:20.679 up there with some of the other episodes of people 203 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.039 who I didn't know who they were, very very very 204 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:27.440 very well, like they weren't super familiar with me, and 205 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:29.519 and then you get a whole bunch of insights and 206 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.720 now you look at the body of work and some 207 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:33.360 of the things that this person has done, and it 208 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.919 adds dimensions to it. And Michael's did that with me. 209 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:39.000 But for me, the highlight of all of them was 210 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.720 the Jason Bateman episode. I mean that that episode to 211 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:47.480 me was absolutely perfect. By the way, it's not throwing 212 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:50.159 stuff off towers, but Dave is doing silly things a 213 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.320 little bit. In some of these episodes. He goes to 214 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.799 a hat shop in London. He smokes a cigar for 215 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.279 the first time ever. I smoked cigars because of David Letterman, 216 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:59.840 so I thought that was really really interesting. And then 217 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:01.440 of course at the end of the Bakman episode there's 218 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.679 an arrested development thing with Ron Howard in the whole 219 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:09.600 nine yards, and it seems fun big time is what 220 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:11.879 it felt like to me. So anyway, there's a sum 221 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:13.440 up of how I feel about that. We're gonna do 222 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.679 post mortems, Johnny and I will do a post mortem 223 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:17.519 on Adam Sandler. We're going to do post mortems on 224 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:19.960 the other three episodes with the appropriate guest as well. 225 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:22.360 Thank you for letting me monologue there for a second, 226 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:23.879 my friend. I appreciate It's been a while since I've 227 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:25.840 done one of these, so I needed to get that out. 228 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:26.200 Thank you. 229 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.679 Oh no, I feel bad. So I started to watch 230 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.799 the Sandler one, and you know, it's fine. It's just 231 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.519 that this is all about me and my sensibility. I 232 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:39.360 was recently thinking about. So I'm going to drop a 233 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:41.679 name that you know, unless you lived on the East 234 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:43.240 Coast at some point that I'm not aware of, you're 235 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:45.159 gonna have no idea what I'm talking about. But a 236 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.080 section of your viewership is going to know the name 237 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.679 Uncle Floyd. So Uncle Floyd had a uhchf show in 238 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.799 the eighties when you know, we didn't have cable and 239 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:58.559 Queen's so you played with the other knob and you 240 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:00.879 one night you come across this Uncle Floyd show an 241 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:03.519 editor at six o'clock and it's this dude from New 242 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:06.840 Jersey with a puppet with a lower budget than we're 243 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:09.320 using right now, Like at least you have a backdrop, right, 244 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.159 you know, maybe my setup with this stick on the window. 245 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.120 Maybe that was the budget of the Uncle Floyd show. 246 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:17.360 And he had a puppet and a couple other guys 247 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.320 from Jersey and they did pardon my French, half assed 248 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.440 sketches and a viewer mail type thing and it was 249 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.559 hilarious because it was just so anti and that's what 250 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.639 appeals to me. And if I go back to twelve thirty, 251 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:34.440 especially once God bless my godmother gave me, maybe for 252 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:37.399 my fifteenth or sixteenth birthday, a VCR, so I didn't 253 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:39.399 have to stay up till one o'clock every night. But 254 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.240 you know, you hand me an episode of Late Night 255 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:43.720 with David Letterman and you know from New York insert 256 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.000 joke here, it's Late Night with David Letterman, tonight's guest 257 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.679 Jason Bateman and you know, quirky guest on the back half. 258 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:53.240 I probably would have watched the opening, the Paul segment, 259 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.440 the desk piece, fast forwarded through the guests, and then 260 00:12:56.480 --> 00:12:58.720 caught the middle weirdness when Chris Elliott came out and 261 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:00.320 did something and then bailed on the opp So that 262 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.120 was how I consumed the show. But that that's not 263 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.879 a ticket, Dave. That's just how I. That's where my 264 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.440 head is at, and that's one of the major influences 265 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.879 on how I approach everything creatively. Like that was formative 266 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:17.240 in my brain that things like Floyd on how you 267 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:20.000 do all this, like don't do don't try and do 268 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.399 Johnny's Tonight Show. Johnny did that already, Right, Let's deconstruct 269 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:25.720 this whole thing and do something crazy yep. 270 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.480 Yeah, and and and they they not only again we 271 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:31.159 talked about Dane at the beginning of this how he 272 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.200 kind of created a blueprint. Well that's what Dave did, 273 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.720 David company. They created a blueprint for you know, that 274 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:40.039 would influence all of entertainment and comedy and how we 275 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:41.960 view it and how we look at it. They added 276 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.919 that element of cynicism, which I just absolutely I'm an optimist. 277 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:49.000 I'm a natural optimist. I'm a positive guy. Uh but 278 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.960 I do have this cynicism streak in me and it 279 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.000 was given to me by David Letnerman, by by pro 280 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:59.080 wrestling as well. But but both of those things, I 281 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:02.120 thought that was a knee addition to that was something 282 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:04.240 that they brought to the table, that the idea of 283 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.720 of of kind of not trusting leadership a little bit 284 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.320 in a different way. Now, of course, it has ballooned 285 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:12.799 into you know, I think I think most people are 286 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:14.639 are are mostly cynical now or a lot of people 287 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.559 are mostly cynical now. But adding a little cynicism to 288 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.879 the to the comedy, I think was a phenomenal thing 289 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:23.440 to do. And then again, the celebration of failure. You know, 290 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.919 you talk about Floyd and and and what he did 291 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.000 well well, really, at the end of the day, the 292 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:31.679 idea of let's give a bunch of hooligans at television 293 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:34.960 studio and see what happens. You know, that's a that's 294 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:38.039 a that's a fun premise right there. Who knew that 295 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:40.720 that that that the guy who did it would probably 296 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:43.159 turn into or would turn into who is probably known 297 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.600 as the you know, the greatest broadcaster, uh, that we've 298 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.519 ever seen. That's how I see him anyway, you know, 299 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.320 I don't think anybody could have predicted that. But yeah, 300 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:55.440 it changed a culture. It really did. The kids in 301 00:14:55.519 --> 00:15:00.360 college watching you know this show. Don Giller told me 302 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.159 a story and then and then a few of the writers, 303 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.720 uh you know, confirmed it the first time the show 304 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.039 went up to California. You know, when they when they 305 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:11.960 when they took it, they basically they were just kind 306 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:13.639 of doing the show. They had their heads down and 307 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:15.559 everybody was just trying to make stay on the air, 308 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:17.600 make the best show that they could make. And then 309 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:19.240 at some point they said, okay, let's take the show 310 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.159 to California. And when they took the show to California 311 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:25.840 and the crazed lineups for tickets for people to get 312 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:28.720 in the the the the insanity of what was going on, 313 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:30.440 lineups around the block and things like that, and the 314 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.759 staffers were just baffled by it. They had no idea 315 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:37.840 that they were taking an entire generation of of you know, 316 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:41.279 late baby boomers, early early gen xers and and kind 317 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:46.679 of steering what their comedic sensibility would be, you know, 318 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.279 for the next quarter century. It's it's remarkable what they did. 319 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.080 And uh, anyway, I'm just preaching to the choir when 320 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:53.399 it comes in. 321 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.879 Well, also, the box that Late Night was put in. 322 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.759 The things you can't do because Johnny does those you 323 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:04.399 can't use those, Yes, forced some creativity there. You can't 324 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.320 do a ten minute monolog all right, Well we got 325 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:08.200 to fill an hour. We got to come up with something, 326 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:13.360 and you know, all those little things just added up 327 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:15.879 to magic. Then when you get to eleven thirty in 328 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.519 the box, isn't there anymore? You can wear an o'mani 329 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.720 suit and wear shoes and look like a grown up, 330 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.279 you know, and we all age I guess, well, no, 331 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:26.200 I mean I'm wearing a hoodie. But you know, you know, 332 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:31.039 you start to take that step towards establishment. Letterman as 333 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.720 I call it. Now the Netflix show is Elder Statesman 334 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.759 Dave and again I just want to throw a watermelon 335 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:39.840 off a tower. More with Mike chishom in a second. 336 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.200 He hosts The Letterman Podcast, which you should check out. 337 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:48.120 Be right back, continuing my conversation with Mike Chisholm from 338 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.919 The Letterman Podcast. In this segment, we discussed some of 339 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:54.279 the factual inaccuracies in Dave Chappelle's recent special. 340 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:56.360 That's interesting how the people are calling him out for 341 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.159 some of the factual inaccuracies. Now, you don't hear that 342 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:00.679 happening to stand up very often. 343 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:05.720 Now. I guess the notable one was Hassan Minaj, And 344 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:08.640 you know that's a weird one. Here's a guy that 345 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.200 just seemed like the next daily show host, right. It 346 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.119 was just perfectly cast and probably would have done a 347 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:19.480 good job. And for some reason people took his stand 348 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:23.920 up special seriously and it went sideways, so that you know, 349 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:30.200 that whole thing was weird, you know, nitpicking Chappelle. Nitpicking 350 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.000 Chappelle about Representative McCain versus Senator McCain, I don't think 351 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.000 is a big deal. I do think Trump being the 352 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.799 one to pardon Jack Johnson is interesting and left out 353 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.680 of the story. But these were all just, you know, 354 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:48.240 choices we make. We edit on the fly doing the podcast. 355 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.359 Every day, I edit on the fly and just I 356 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.039 don't talk about things that just don't interest me, or I 357 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:55.680 don't want to go there. Just top of mine. As 358 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:58.839 we're recording this, there's a Russell Brand story in the news, 359 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.160 and I just don't want to go there. I try 360 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.920 and stylize my show as something fun to listen to, 361 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:08.880 especially in the morning, and some of the Russell Brand stuff, 362 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:11.720 I just I just don't want to go there. It's 363 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:13.799 not censorship, it's just choosing differently. 364 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:16.759 Yeah, oh yeah, which is, by the way, what freedom 365 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:19.480 speech is all about. Be able to just make a 366 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.519 choice and say no, I'm going to leave that and 367 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:24.799 everything's going to be fine. They can have that. I 368 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:27.079 can have this right and yeah, that's well. 369 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:32.000 Even like about the name of my show, Daily Comedy News, Yes, 370 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:37.160 you know, it's not The New York Times. Jason'sinnimon has 371 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:39.519 accused me of being a journalist, which I reject. Jason 372 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:43.440 to him, I'm not a journalist. I'm a dude in 373 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:45.799 a podcast, just talking to a microphone, and he goes, now, 374 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.960 I'm a journalist and I'm and is no like am 375 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.519 I talking about things in the news. Yes, but like 376 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:55.920 I don't consider myself any sort of you know, not 377 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.079 the Dan rather of comedy. It's just I don't know. 378 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:00.599 Here's some stuff. I go, well, and I'm going to 379 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.079 riff about it and kill twelve to twenty minutes and 380 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:04.839 go home and hope you had a good time. And 381 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.880 you know, some of it has said lighthearted and you know, 382 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:12.200 like we've talked about it, it's all real. I don't 383 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.960 actually I don't enjoy Adam Sandler comedies. As I've explained 384 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.079 to my audience repeatedly, I don't walk around all day 385 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:20.160 going I can't believe you made her get more to them. 386 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.039 So I met like, I just don't care. I'm not 387 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:24.880 going to watch it. The story where I forbade my 388 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:27.240 children from renting Jack and Jill and said that I 389 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:29.200 would rather light the five dollars on fire is a 390 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:31.279 true story. That's not even having to for effect. I 391 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:32.759 could none of I could turn home right now. I 392 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:34.319 could bring them in here and they'll tell you that 393 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:36.720 that's a thing that happened. So that is how I 394 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:40.000 feel about Sandler comedies. But do I play it up? 395 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:42.440 Of course, I play it up, just like the Joe 396 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:44.880 Coy bit or the Jay Leno bit or anything else. 397 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:48.160 These are just recurring Touchsdownes back to that lettermanesque sense 398 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:52.119 of humor of We're all in this together, and if 399 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:54.559 I'm doing the show right and I'm building a community, 400 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:57.599 you know where I'm going to go before I go there, 401 00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:59.039