Speaker 1: Caloroga Shark Media.
Speaker 2: Hey there, I'm Johnny Mackin Mike Chisholm, the host of
Speaker 2: The Letterman podcast, and we are friendly and sometimes we
Speaker 2: do crossover episodes. Mike and I recently did a session
Speaker 2: where we talked about things for like two and a
Speaker 2: half hours, and I chopped it up into pieces, and
Speaker 2: here Mike and I were discussing the state of comedy
Speaker 2: as twenty twenty five came to an end.
Speaker 1: It's been an interesting year in all sorts of areas,
Speaker 1: but in comedy, I don't know, man, I just feel
Speaker 1: like the genre and the industry that is stand up
Speaker 1: has never had a bigger, more successful year. But in
Speaker 1: that it's also felt never's felt as divided as it's felt.
Speaker 1: But you're the guru when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that assertation? Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I just saw a piece on Vulture suggesting that comedians
Speaker 1: need to get more angsty and fight more and believing
Speaker 1: as a pot cast host, I love when the comedians
Speaker 1: are battling. You know, you and I should start award
Speaker 1: just for the for the clicks. But let's do it.
Speaker 2: You know. On the other hand, if you look at it,
Speaker 2: what's really working is the Nate Berganzis of the world
Speaker 2: doing the clean comedy, family stuff. You know, Sebastian manaskalgo
Speaker 2: that style of comedy. But then at the other end
Speaker 2: you've got the the canceled of Ricky Gervais and Shane
Speaker 2: Gillis and Dave Chappelle. They're all canceled and they're never
Speaker 2: going to be able to speak again. They're selling out Arenas. Ye,
Speaker 2: you've got that other wing of austin Ish and the
Speaker 2: Chraysiers and the Rogans and the Sigoras. You've got all
Speaker 2: that going on, so it's sort of fractured. It's tremendously successful.
Speaker 2: I'm all over the place. When they did the Top
Speaker 2: Communities of the Century, Dane Cook wasn't mentioned. Has everyone
Speaker 2: forgotten what a huge comic Dane was and Dane selling
Speaker 2: out the Garden was a statement with three exclamation points.
Speaker 2: But now you know, I love them, But we're all
Speaker 2: sells out the Garden. Everybody sells out the Garden, so
Speaker 2: you know something has changed there. The business is bigger
Speaker 2: than ever. A lot of that is Netflix driven, for sure,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's just a weird time. But there's comedy
Speaker 2: for everybody.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, definitely, Like, but thank you for mentioning Dane,
Speaker 1: because I remember back in the day. It's interesting that
Speaker 1: you talked about all the different facets of comedy, and
Speaker 1: I remember how big of a deal it was when
Speaker 1: dice Clay sold out Madison Square Garden, Like that was
Speaker 1: a huge, huge, when when when dice Clay was, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Andrew dice Clay is doing an arena, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you know, you'd hear about it every once
Speaker 1: in a while. But then you got Dane who comes
Speaker 1: in in the early party and I okay, fine, the
Speaker 1: Billboard list was of the twenty first century, the top
Speaker 1: twenty five comics of the twenty first century. Well, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but if there was a guy that brought in comedy
Speaker 1: and elevated it at the beginning part of the century
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand, it was Dane. It was
Speaker 1: a big deal, the tour that he went on, that
Speaker 1: run he went on, and I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: different than Kennyson, but it's similar to Kinnyson in the
Speaker 1: sense that there's this huge thing that happens and it
Speaker 1: inspires all of these people, and then a couple of
Speaker 1: years later, you know, the star fades and it goes
Speaker 1: across and and and and and now we're here in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five and we're debating whether he should be
Speaker 1: even be on the list. Well, to me, of course
Speaker 1: he should be on the list, but some people have
Speaker 1: short memories when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 2: I suppose I have a strong opinion on My theory
Speaker 2: is that the stylized comedians and Dan Cook did have
Speaker 2: a style to him, the physicality and the way he spoke,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe not full on character like a dice,
Speaker 2: but it's the brick wall comedians that tend to last.
Speaker 2: The Bill Burrs, the Dave Chappelle is just a guy
Speaker 2: talking in front of a brick wall. We could put
Speaker 2: an arena, we could do with theater in the round shore,
Speaker 2: but it's the traditional George Carlin esque stand up of
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stand here and just tell you what's on
Speaker 2: my mind. Where some of that stylized stuff we've seen
Speaker 2: shooting stars over the years and they come and go
Speaker 2: and they're they're white hot, and they have that three
Speaker 2: four years and then they kind of go away. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure Dane is full on stylized comedian to use
Speaker 2: the term. But you know, he was just a monster,
Speaker 2: a quote unquote rock star there for a while, good
Speaker 2: looking guy, really lighting up crowds, people quoting his material,
Speaker 2: and you know, you go about twenty years later and
Speaker 2: it's like he's forgotten somehow. It's weird.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, it's crazy that he wasn't on that list,
Speaker 1: like like, like, as far as I'm concerned, he ushered
Speaker 1: comedy into the twenty first century by making it more,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the MySpace stuff and the way
Speaker 1: that he would use the Internet, not just in his act.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course his act was very very you know,
Speaker 1: it talked a lot about the Internet and things like that,
Speaker 1: but the way that he built his community was a
Speaker 1: blueprint for what I imagine if podcasting existed back does now.
Speaker 1: I mean, he would have been one of the first
Speaker 1: people with a podcast. He really really saw where the
Speaker 1: puck was going and led an entire genre in that direction.
Speaker 1: I just so yeah. But that being said that, the
Speaker 1: Billboard list was interesting. I really love I recommend everybody
Speaker 1: to go back and listen to the Daily Comedy News
Speaker 1: podcast episodes where where Johnny goes through the Top twenty
Speaker 1: the Billboard Top twenty five Comedians of the Century. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's very very good. You split up in two episodes. Again,
Speaker 1: bite sized, really really simple, not like this behemoth of
Speaker 1: a show where it's long form. I really really like
Speaker 1: the bite size aspect of of what it is that
Speaker 1: you're doing. And boy, you've got lots of stuff to
Speaker 1: talk about, and we could do separate shows. And we
Speaker 1: are going to do separate shows when it comes to this,
Speaker 1: because there is so much to talk about. But the
Speaker 1: guy who brought me into this podcasting game, David Letterman,
Speaker 1: has put out in the last month a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of new content. In fact, more content in the last
Speaker 1: month than I think if you add up all the
Speaker 1: rest of the months, I think you might be pretty close.
Speaker 1: Have you watched any of the new My Next Guests yet?
Speaker 2: I started to watch the Sandler episode, okay, and I
Speaker 2: really struggle. So I'm stealing from Jimmy Buffett fans here.
Speaker 2: There was a group of Jimmy Buffett fans who created
Speaker 2: Church of Buffett Orthodox Yes, And what their premise was
Speaker 2: was that at one point Jimmy Buffett was about, Hey,
Speaker 2: let's hang out at the beach and have a good time,
Speaker 2: and over the years, it became about product and knockoff
Speaker 2: Corona beer and restaurants, and I kind of want to
Speaker 2: form Church of Letterman Orthodox who believe in the I
Speaker 2: got to have a self trouble here the Testament of
Speaker 2: the twelve thirty. We might read the eleven thirty, and
Speaker 2: then the later works of David Letterman just aren't our thing.
Speaker 2: And boy, I just so just where my mind is.
Speaker 2: I was on YouTube the other night and I almost
Speaker 2: sent this to you, but then the clip went sideways.
Speaker 2: But the first few minutes of the clip were guys
Speaker 2: throwing stuff off a bridge onto a frozen lake, and
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that, I want more of that.
Speaker 2: Why isn't anyone doing that? Dave? Can you throw something
Speaker 2: off a bridge on a frozen lake? I want to
Speaker 2: watch that? And this Elder Statesman Letterman, I don't take
Speaker 2: away anyone's enjoyment of it. I don't take away your
Speaker 2: enjoyment of it. I'm glad Dave somehow has gone from
Speaker 2: a guy in a bad mood that doesn't interview people
Speaker 2: to the great interviewer. That's an interesting transformation. But those
Speaker 2: of us in the Church of Letterman Orthodox, I just
Speaker 2: want to throw stuff off a five story tower and
Speaker 2: have Chris Elliott do something weird and make fun of
Speaker 2: the whole thing not being that funny, making it funny.
Speaker 2: And as I've called it over the years, Establishment Letterman
Speaker 2: just isn't my thing. I feel bad saying this out loud,
Speaker 2: especially off this show that's you know, maybe some of
Speaker 2: your fans will be like, yes, Church of Letterman Orthodox,
Speaker 2: I want to sign.
Speaker 1: Up, Oh gosh, yeah, And I mean there are you know,
Speaker 1: I like the fact that our show is the size
Speaker 1: that it is because I can kind of look into
Speaker 1: the people who support the show, and you can see
Speaker 1: the different I can still see everything. It's like it's
Speaker 1: it's like when a musician is still playing in a
Speaker 1: in a venue that's like maybe under seven hundred people,
Speaker 1: they can kind of still kind of see everybody that's
Speaker 1: in the audience as they're playing on it. And it
Speaker 1: kind of feels that way. Certainly, there is a huge
Speaker 1: contingent of people who tolerate this show because every once
Speaker 1: in a while they get a beautiful itch scratch talking
Speaker 1: about the late night show that they enjoy enjoyed so much.
Speaker 1: The Church of Letterman or the Orthodox Letterman Church would Yes,
Speaker 1: there certainly would be a lot of members. But that
Speaker 1: being said, the he did transform, and I would I
Speaker 1: would submit that the long form, you know, skills that
Speaker 1: Dave has has is now showing us. Really at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I think it took a career
Speaker 1: to build the skills that he has done. When it
Speaker 1: has has gotten when it comes to this stuff, I
Speaker 1: see him interviewing Sandler and it's it's an interesting thing.
Speaker 1: We'll do an entire episode once. I want to wait
Speaker 1: till you watch the entire episode if you can stomach it.
Speaker 1: Because one of the things that you talk about is
Speaker 1: the idea about how strong a dramatic actor Adam Sandler
Speaker 1: actually is as opposed to being a comedian or being
Speaker 1: a funny man. And and and I love the reoccurring
Speaker 1: bit that that appears. Whether it's a bit or not,
Speaker 1: I guess remains to be seen on your show where
Speaker 1: you talk about that. They certainly talk about it in
Speaker 1: the in in Dave's long form interview with them, But
Speaker 1: more so I think back to the days you were
Speaker 1: talking about, and I can remember Adam Sandler's first few
Speaker 1: times on Late Night, and it's really cool to watch
Speaker 1: Dave go back and talk to some of these people
Speaker 1: that he has had a TV or a showbiz relationship
Speaker 1: with for so long, and they can talk about some
Speaker 1: of those early days and things like that and add
Speaker 1: that as an element to the to the conversation. So
Speaker 1: you and I can go really deep on the Adam
Speaker 1: Sandler one and that'll be a lot of fun. But
Speaker 1: they're all good. The Mister Beast episode is good, really
Speaker 1: good in fact, especially for people who don't know who
Speaker 1: Miss Beast is, you know, biggest broadcaster on the planet.
Speaker 1: A lot of people still don't know who who he is.
Speaker 1: I didn't know who Mister Beast was other than his name,
Speaker 1: so it's interesting to hear Dave kind of come from
Speaker 1: the curiosity standpoint with him. The Michael B. Jordan episode
Speaker 1: very very good as well, very strong. I put that
Speaker 1: up there with some of the other episodes of people
Speaker 1: who I didn't know who they were, very very very
Speaker 1: very well, like they weren't super familiar with me, and
Speaker 1: and then you get a whole bunch of insights and
Speaker 1: now you look at the body of work and some
Speaker 1: of the things that this person has done, and it
Speaker 1: adds dimensions to it. And Michael's did that with me.
Speaker 1: But for me, the highlight of all of them was
Speaker 1: the Jason Bateman episode. I mean that that episode to
Speaker 1: me was absolutely perfect. By the way, it's not throwing
Speaker 1: stuff off towers, but Dave is doing silly things a
Speaker 1: little bit. In some of these episodes. He goes to
Speaker 1: a hat shop in London. He smokes a cigar for
Speaker 1: the first time ever. I smoked cigars because of David Letterman,
Speaker 1: so I thought that was really really interesting. And then
Speaker 1: of course at the end of the Bakman episode there's
Speaker 1: an arrested development thing with Ron Howard in the whole
Speaker 1: nine yards, and it seems fun big time is what
Speaker 1: it felt like to me. So anyway, there's a sum
Speaker 1: up of how I feel about that. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: post mortems, Johnny and I will do a post mortem
Speaker 1: on Adam Sandler. We're going to do post mortems on
Speaker 1: the other three episodes with the appropriate guest as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me monologue there for a second,
Speaker 1: my friend. I appreciate It's been a while since I've
Speaker 1: done one of these, so I needed to get that out.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I feel bad. So I started to watch
Speaker 2: the Sandler one, and you know, it's fine. It's just
Speaker 2: that this is all about me and my sensibility. I
Speaker 2: was recently thinking about. So I'm going to drop a
Speaker 2: name that you know, unless you lived on the East
Speaker 2: Coast at some point that I'm not aware of, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have no idea what I'm talking about. But a
Speaker 2: section of your viewership is going to know the name
Speaker 2: Uncle Floyd. So Uncle Floyd had a uhchf show in
Speaker 2: the eighties when you know, we didn't have cable and
Speaker 2: Queen's so you played with the other knob and you
Speaker 2: one night you come across this Uncle Floyd show an
Speaker 2: editor at six o'clock and it's this dude from New
Speaker 2: Jersey with a puppet with a lower budget than we're
Speaker 2: using right now, Like at least you have a backdrop, right,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe my setup with this stick on the window.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was the budget of the Uncle Floyd show.
Speaker 2: And he had a puppet and a couple other guys
Speaker 2: from Jersey and they did pardon my French, half assed
Speaker 2: sketches and a viewer mail type thing and it was
Speaker 2: hilarious because it was just so anti and that's what
Speaker 2: appeals to me. And if I go back to twelve thirty,
Speaker 2: especially once God bless my godmother gave me, maybe for
Speaker 2: my fifteenth or sixteenth birthday, a VCR, so I didn't
Speaker 2: have to stay up till one o'clock every night. But
Speaker 2: you know, you hand me an episode of Late Night
Speaker 2: with David Letterman and you know from New York insert
Speaker 2: joke here, it's Late Night with David Letterman, tonight's guest
Speaker 2: Jason Bateman and you know, quirky guest on the back half.
Speaker 2: I probably would have watched the opening, the Paul segment,
Speaker 2: the desk piece, fast forwarded through the guests, and then
Speaker 2: caught the middle weirdness when Chris Elliott came out and
Speaker 2: did something and then bailed on the opp So that
Speaker 2: was how I consumed the show. But that that's not
Speaker 2: a ticket, Dave. That's just how I. That's where my
Speaker 2: head is at, and that's one of the major influences
Speaker 2: on how I approach everything creatively. Like that was formative
Speaker 2: in my brain that things like Floyd on how you
Speaker 2: do all this, like don't do don't try and do
Speaker 2: Johnny's Tonight Show. Johnny did that already, Right, Let's deconstruct
Speaker 2: this whole thing and do something crazy yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and they they not only again we
Speaker 1: talked about Dane at the beginning of this how he
Speaker 1: kind of created a blueprint. Well that's what Dave did,
Speaker 1: David company. They created a blueprint for you know, that
Speaker 1: would influence all of entertainment and comedy and how we
Speaker 1: view it and how we look at it. They added
Speaker 1: that element of cynicism, which I just absolutely I'm an optimist.
Speaker 1: I'm a natural optimist. I'm a positive guy. Uh but
Speaker 1: I do have this cynicism streak in me and it
Speaker 1: was given to me by David Letnerman, by by pro
Speaker 1: wrestling as well. But but both of those things, I
Speaker 1: thought that was a knee addition to that was something
Speaker 1: that they brought to the table, that the idea of
Speaker 1: of of kind of not trusting leadership a little bit
Speaker 1: in a different way. Now, of course, it has ballooned
Speaker 1: into you know, I think I think most people are
Speaker 1: are are mostly cynical now or a lot of people
Speaker 1: are mostly cynical now. But adding a little cynicism to
Speaker 1: the to the comedy, I think was a phenomenal thing
Speaker 1: to do. And then again, the celebration of failure. You know,
Speaker 1: you talk about Floyd and and and what he did
Speaker 1: well well, really, at the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: idea of let's give a bunch of hooligans at television
Speaker 1: studio and see what happens. You know, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a that's a fun premise right there. Who knew that
Speaker 1: that that that the guy who did it would probably
Speaker 1: turn into or would turn into who is probably known
Speaker 1: as the you know, the greatest broadcaster, uh, that we've
Speaker 1: ever seen. That's how I see him anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody could have predicted that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it changed a culture. It really did. The kids in
Speaker 1: college watching you know this show. Don Giller told me
Speaker 1: a story and then and then a few of the writers,
Speaker 1: uh you know, confirmed it the first time the show
Speaker 1: went up to California. You know, when they when they
Speaker 1: when they took it, they basically they were just kind
Speaker 1: of doing the show. They had their heads down and
Speaker 1: everybody was just trying to make stay on the air,
Speaker 1: make the best show that they could make. And then
Speaker 1: at some point they said, okay, let's take the show
Speaker 1: to California. And when they took the show to California
Speaker 1: and the crazed lineups for tickets for people to get
Speaker 1: in the the the the insanity of what was going on,
Speaker 1: lineups around the block and things like that, and the
Speaker 1: staffers were just baffled by it. They had no idea
Speaker 1: that they were taking an entire generation of of you know,
Speaker 1: late baby boomers, early early gen xers and and kind
Speaker 1: of steering what their comedic sensibility would be, you know,
Speaker 1: for the next quarter century. It's it's remarkable what they did.
Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, I'm just preaching to the choir when
Speaker 1: it comes in.
Speaker 2: Well, also, the box that Late Night was put in.
Speaker 2: The things you can't do because Johnny does those you
Speaker 2: can't use those, Yes, forced some creativity there. You can't
Speaker 2: do a ten minute monolog all right, Well we got
Speaker 2: to fill an hour. We got to come up with something,
Speaker 2: and you know, all those little things just added up
Speaker 2: to magic. Then when you get to eleven thirty in
Speaker 2: the box, isn't there anymore? You can wear an o'mani
Speaker 2: suit and wear shoes and look like a grown up,
Speaker 2: you know, and we all age I guess, well, no,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm wearing a hoodie. But you know, you know,
Speaker 2: you start to take that step towards establishment. Letterman as
Speaker 2: I call it. Now the Netflix show is Elder Statesman
Speaker 2: Dave and again I just want to throw a watermelon
Speaker 2: off a tower. More with Mike chishom in a second.
Speaker 2: He hosts The Letterman Podcast, which you should check out.
Speaker 2: Be right back, continuing my conversation with Mike Chisholm from
Speaker 2: The Letterman Podcast. In this segment, we discussed some of
Speaker 2: the factual inaccuracies in Dave Chappelle's recent special.
Speaker 1: That's interesting how the people are calling him out for
Speaker 1: some of the factual inaccuracies. Now, you don't hear that
Speaker 1: happening to stand up very often.
Speaker 2: Now. I guess the notable one was Hassan Minaj, And
Speaker 2: you know that's a weird one. Here's a guy that
Speaker 2: just seemed like the next daily show host, right. It
Speaker 2: was just perfectly cast and probably would have done a
Speaker 2: good job. And for some reason people took his stand
Speaker 2: up special seriously and it went sideways, so that you know,
Speaker 2: that whole thing was weird, you know, nitpicking Chappelle. Nitpicking
Speaker 2: Chappelle about Representative McCain versus Senator McCain, I don't think
Speaker 2: is a big deal. I do think Trump being the
Speaker 2: one to pardon Jack Johnson is interesting and left out
Speaker 2: of the story. But these were all just, you know,
Speaker 2: choices we make. We edit on the fly doing the podcast.
Speaker 2: Every day, I edit on the fly and just I
Speaker 2: don't talk about things that just don't interest me, or I
Speaker 2: don't want to go there. Just top of mine. As
Speaker 2: we're recording this, there's a Russell Brand story in the news,
Speaker 2: and I just don't want to go there. I try
Speaker 2: and stylize my show as something fun to listen to,
Speaker 2: especially in the morning, and some of the Russell Brand stuff,
Speaker 2: I just I just don't want to go there. It's
Speaker 2: not censorship, it's just choosing differently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, which is, by the way, what freedom
Speaker 1: speech is all about. Be able to just make a
Speaker 1: choice and say no, I'm going to leave that and
Speaker 1: everything's going to be fine. They can have that. I
Speaker 1: can have this right and yeah, that's well.
Speaker 2: Even like about the name of my show, Daily Comedy News, Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not The New York Times. Jason'sinnimon has
Speaker 2: accused me of being a journalist, which I reject. Jason
Speaker 2: to him, I'm not a journalist. I'm a dude in
Speaker 2: a podcast, just talking to a microphone, and he goes, now,
Speaker 2: I'm a journalist and I'm and is no like am
Speaker 2: I talking about things in the news. Yes, but like
Speaker 2: I don't consider myself any sort of you know, not
Speaker 2: the Dan rather of comedy. It's just I don't know.
Speaker 2: Here's some stuff. I go, well, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: riff about it and kill twelve to twenty minutes and
Speaker 2: go home and hope you had a good time. And
Speaker 2: you know, some of it has said lighthearted and you know,
Speaker 2: like we've talked about it, it's all real. I don't
Speaker 2: actually I don't enjoy Adam Sandler comedies. As I've explained
Speaker 2: to my audience repeatedly, I don't walk around all day
Speaker 2: going I can't believe you made her get more to them.
Speaker 2: So I met like, I just don't care. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to watch it. The story where I forbade my
Speaker 2: children from renting Jack and Jill and said that I
Speaker 2: would rather light the five dollars on fire is a
Speaker 2: true story. That's not even having to for effect. I
Speaker 2: could none of I could turn home right now. I
Speaker 2: could bring them in here and they'll tell you that
Speaker 2: that's a thing that happened. So that is how I
Speaker 2: feel about Sandler comedies. But do I play it up?
Speaker 2: Of course, I play it up, just like the Joe
Speaker 2: Coy bit or the Jay Leno bit or anything else.
Speaker 2: These are just recurring Touchsdownes back to that lettermanesque sense
Speaker 2: of humor of We're all in this together, and if
Speaker 2: I'm doing the show right and I'm building a community,
Speaker 2: you know where I'm going to go before I go there,
Speaker 2: and that's part of the fun.
Speaker 1: Yep, where did Chappelle end up on your list for
Speaker 1: the year?
Speaker 2: I have it like maybe like five. So my takeaway
Speaker 2: on the Chappelle special was I compared it to you
Speaker 2: sit down and watch a baseball game and your starting
Speaker 2: pitchers just got it today, and you're like, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 2: he's just untouchable today. And we're four innings in and
Speaker 2: it's a no hitter, and he struck out nine guys
Speaker 2: in the first four innings, and wow, this is just
Speaker 2: gonna be unstoppable. And then you know it, hit happens
Speaker 2: and then the starting pitcher leaves and gives up two
Speaker 2: runs and seven innings with twelve strikeouts, which is a
Speaker 2: great performance, but not the one you had in your
Speaker 2: head an hour ago. And that's how I felt about Chappelle, Like, right,
Speaker 2: a hit play. It looks great, it looks like a
Speaker 2: major special. And Dave comes out and he commands the
Speaker 2: stage and he's got something to say, which is very
Speaker 2: important to me as a comedy snob. I want you
Speaker 2: to have something to say, and he's got something to say,
Speaker 2: and he's saying it. He's presenting it at as very
Speaker 2: thoughtful and I'm hanging on every word and for the
Speaker 2: first warnings, Holy cal this is the special. And by
Speaker 2: the time I got to the end of it, it
Speaker 2: was really good, but just didn't sustain the same way.
Speaker 2: So I still have Mark Maron as the top special
Speaker 2: of the year. Yeah, I think Maren that. I think
Speaker 2: that's peek Maren, and Maren had something to say and
Speaker 2: said it very well. I have Kevin hard at number two,
Speaker 2: which is just silly fun, just joke jokes. Robbie Hoffman
Speaker 2: special is very good.
Speaker 1: It's very good. I watched it. I watched it as
Speaker 1: a I hadn't it had n't my radar at all,
Speaker 1: and listening to you talk about it, I watched it
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: very very good.
Speaker 2: You know, So those are. There's plenty of fine specials.
Speaker 2: And again, I am a comedy snob because of what
Speaker 2: I did for ten years just listening to Everybody's a material,
Speaker 2: the versions that they chose to release, listening to that
Speaker 2: all day, every day, I can see the matrix. I
Speaker 2: can see what you're doing. I understand why doing. I
Speaker 2: get why people think it's funny. But like if you,
Speaker 2: if you make me watch Sebastian Maniscalco's new special, I
Speaker 2: totally understand why a random couple from suburban Philadelphia is
Speaker 2: going out and having a good time at that show.
Speaker 2: I get it, But I just I'm watching it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh stop, I mean, just can you not make the
Speaker 2: ridiculous faces? Can you tell a real story here somewhere?
Speaker 2: But you know, Chappelle again and keeps saying the phrase
Speaker 2: he's got something to say and that's why he's at
Speaker 2: the top of the game.
Speaker 1: Sebastian to me, and I love him, love him. But
Speaker 1: to me, you go back to whichever special it was.
Speaker 1: I want to say, it's like twenty fifteen, maybe is
Speaker 1: the one where you talked about company the company did?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: To me?
Speaker 1: He looked at himself back then and decided to turn
Speaker 1: the volume up to eleven on the character of yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that Since then, it was nice when he had like
Speaker 1: a little bit of the you know that that act,
Speaker 1: that mob, the affict whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: the affectation, thank you, that's perfect. Now it's just like
Speaker 1: he's just he lives in it, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's lit up to ten. It should be back at four.
Speaker 1: It should be a little more subdued. I think, I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's just that's just my It's just more
Speaker 1: of the same, right, And I don't know why I
Speaker 1: have a problem with Sebastian doing it.
Speaker 2: Whereas my friend Larry the Cable Guy Dan Whitney. You know,
Speaker 2: here's a guy that if I called him right now,
Speaker 2: who do my podcast like, you know, yep? Do we
Speaker 2: hang out every day? No, But he's a friend. He's
Speaker 2: not somebody I know. He's a friend. And I've been
Speaker 2: backstage talking to Dan Whitney. And then he slips into
Speaker 2: the Larry character, who speaks a little differently and as
Speaker 2: a hot more of an accent. And I think we
Speaker 2: all understand the Larry the Cable Guy character. First of all,
Speaker 2: it's called Larry the Cable Guy. It's not ladies and
Speaker 2: gentlemen Dan Whitney going up and doing that material. It's
Speaker 2: it's something called Larry the Cable Guy that doesn't wear sleeves.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's because Sebastian Meniscalco has
Speaker 2: evolved from being Sebastian Maniscalco Italian American comic to Sebastian
Speaker 2: the Italian Guy. Maybe it's that right, Maybe it's that
Speaker 2: mm hm.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to see what Gervas's special does
Speaker 1: to the list.
Speaker 2: Ricky knows what he's doing. He's trying to trigger people.
Speaker 2: He successfully triggers people that he doubles down that he
Speaker 2: triggered you, and it's your fault that you're triggered. He
Speaker 2: understands what he's doing. But he's really good at I mean,
Speaker 2: Chappelle's doing the same thing, and people just get really
Speaker 2: irate at Ricky Gervas's specials. But they're pretty funny and
Speaker 2: I can sit on the couch and understand what I'm watching,
Speaker 2: right Like, I get what he's doing there. He's gonna
Speaker 2: make some points and he's gonna push some buttons along
Speaker 2: the way and hopefully we have a laugh, and we
Speaker 2: go home, and then he goes and donates two million
Speaker 2: dollars to the animal charity. So, you know, much like
Speaker 2: Jay Leno. I'm not sure Ricky Gervas is the worst
Speaker 2: person who ever lived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's your daily coming for today again, check
Speaker 2: out the Letterman podcast. Mike is the host, a really
Speaker 2: good guy. I always enjoyed chatting with him. And I'll
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow.