Speaker 1: So let's get into some talk about you know, one
Speaker 1: person to another. Uh, the dc is slate. So on Monday.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they did this, but I think
Speaker 1: they're just like, we got to start talking because people
Speaker 1: are getting Nancy like myself because we did a newscast
Speaker 1: me and too, I did weekly geeks. So it's funny
Speaker 1: that we did talking about like some issues we had
Speaker 1: with the DCU stuff going on. And then Monday they
Speaker 1: did this precedent where they announced a few things, but
Speaker 1: it was more of like, uh, you know what's going on,
Speaker 1: which you know what? And I will say this, actually
Speaker 1: is it called or quarreled?
Speaker 2: A lot of my concern professor at Quirrel's quarrel.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this calmed some of my concerns
Speaker 1: because I respect that pretty much. What they went out
Speaker 1: and they said that they got a six year plan
Speaker 1: from Superman to now. There's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: I'm going to go some points and if you have
Speaker 1: nothing to say, we'll move on. But they have very
Speaker 1: much stress that when we hear about movies, because there's
Speaker 1: movies that they talked about this precedent where they're like,
Speaker 1: oh and the t Titans and even Saffron was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Anna Narwaga's writing that, and James like, well, we've never
Speaker 1: announced that. He's liked, no, I'm pretty sure we have.
Speaker 1: And James like, no, that's just Scoopers. That got that
Speaker 1: we've never publicly said. So he let it. He let
Speaker 1: like a writer go accidentally. But I appreciate that they
Speaker 1: said that. That stuff that like we talk of all
Speaker 1: the time, like, oh, they're doing this, we do this movie.
Speaker 1: That anything we hear from DC in the future, it's
Speaker 1: like in development. It doesn't mean it's a sure thing
Speaker 1: James gonna stick in to, Like we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: plan and write a script and if the script is great,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through. That's why Clay Face and Sergeant Rock,
Speaker 1: which weren't on the original slate, are going through. Where
Speaker 1: like he was honest and said, like, oh, stuff like authority.
Speaker 1: We've made a bunch of changes and it just doesn't work,
Speaker 1: so we don't want to rush it. What was a
Speaker 1: Booster Gold because he said there's been a bunch of
Speaker 1: bumpy projects, but he said Booster Gold. We had a
Speaker 1: showrunner and they just dropped out and said we didn't
Speaker 1: want to do it. So that's where that went. He said,
Speaker 1: the Waller Show, we're making lots of script issues. What
Speaker 1: else was there? There was another there's another one of those.
Speaker 1: But I really appreciate that they were very candid and
Speaker 1: honest about this. So I a lot of the worries
Speaker 1: I had, have a lot of fires been put in
Speaker 1: the water. But the one thing I will say, some
Speaker 1: mean old point by point here. Those were some of
Speaker 1: the things that they were talking about, these projects that
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, this is why we're just we're not
Speaker 1: They don't want to stick to Hey, we've announced this
Speaker 1: and we have to do it because we put it
Speaker 1: out there. I think I do like that, because we've
Speaker 1: talked about like MCU's finally doing that with like war machines.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, you know what, this isn't a good idea.
Speaker 1: Let's not do this. We're before maybe they they would
Speaker 1: have been like, we have to do this, but this
Speaker 1: is where I saw some worries. They said that they
Speaker 1: plan on having seven projects a year. Originally it was
Speaker 1: two movies, two shows, but now they're going with two
Speaker 1: live action movies, uh, one animated movie, two live action series,
Speaker 1: a live and then I think it's like a live
Speaker 1: action animated or sorry, an animated show. Either way, seven projects, right,
Speaker 1: very messy. I saw this mic in the discord if
Speaker 1: they James got the fall of the DCU red, I thum, Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know what yet, but if it's all in
Speaker 1: the DCU, they Gun and Company and Saffron should know better,
Speaker 1: like look at MCU like like there's already too many projects.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, Kirka, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Seven projects a year? I'll say this again because I
Speaker 1: know it's word vomit. But two live action movies, one
Speaker 1: animated movie, two live action series, an animated series, and
Speaker 1: then I don't know there's something else that's seven. I've
Speaker 1: sucked it up again.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be at least two animated series.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: what it is. Yes, because those are a bit cheaper
Speaker 1: to make. But seven projects of a year is their plan.
Speaker 1: And they did say that they do plan in six
Speaker 1: years to culminate in like an Avengers type of movie.
Speaker 1: My last point two, I guess before I threw the
Speaker 1: use that he said they very much want to try
Speaker 1: to not make it the homework issue. So it sounds
Speaker 1: like they want to be like MCU Phase one, where
Speaker 1: yeah you had Cap, Ironman, Thor and Hulk, but like
Speaker 1: they weren't super connected, right, little connections. Yeah, sounds like
Speaker 1: they want the DCU to be that going forward. So
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, why is clay Face happening right now?
Speaker 1: Just because they think it's a good idea and they
Speaker 1: want to make it. They don't want a bunch of
Speaker 1: you gotta watch this to do this, So I know
Speaker 1: it's a.
Speaker 3: Lot there, but yeah, I mean seven projects a year
Speaker 3: just for DCU, I feel like that's a lot. And
Speaker 3: you know, as a podcast or someone that talks about
Speaker 3: these things, that's awesome. More coverage, more discussions, I like it.
Speaker 3: It just seems like such a high number though to
Speaker 3: like just out of the gate, like just that's our
Speaker 3: goal and that's what we're gonna be sticking to. I
Speaker 3: feel like over two years, that like makes a lot
Speaker 3: more sense. But yeah, I guess they're just up in
Speaker 3: the ante and it's uh, I I don't know how
Speaker 3: it's gonna feel natural, and like, like even for a
Speaker 3: dc fan, I feel like it's gonna be tough to
Speaker 3: like follow all of that. Like seven projects a year,
Speaker 3: and especially if it is an animated show and then
Speaker 3: like a live action, like it seems like it's gonna
Speaker 3: be covering like a wide range, even though it is
Speaker 3: all under the DC banner. So to get that, although
Speaker 3: they don't want to make it like homework, it kind
Speaker 3: of is, you know, like if you really want to
Speaker 3: get all of the lead up, like you're gonna be
Speaker 3: doing that. So if, like you said, a couple of
Speaker 3: years down the road, they're like, it's all gonna be
Speaker 3: aligning to this, it's just hard for me to really
Speaker 3: see it looking natural and clean and uh without things
Speaker 3: being canceled and issues, because even just getting a project
Speaker 3: out has issues, right, Like it's like many things we
Speaker 3: just talked about, the whole Disney thing or sorry not Disney.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I guess Lucasfilm and Star Wars and how
Speaker 3: many things were promised and many things were not seen
Speaker 3: by us or by any anyone. So yeah, no, that's
Speaker 3: just my initial thoughts. But as a glutton for content,
Speaker 3: like yeah, fuck yeah, seven seven projects, let's go, And
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: Think it's smart for them to clarify that. They said, like,
Speaker 1: unless we announce this in production, don't take it as yeah,
Speaker 1: like to kind of like we talked about with Star Wars,
Speaker 1: they'd always say like, hey, we're doing a ray movie.
Speaker 1: And what would always bug me is they would announce
Speaker 1: it and they're still meaning they don't even have the
Speaker 1: script done. It's like this, That's that's what bugs me.
Speaker 1: Where I like that. They even said with Flannagan that
Speaker 1: he pitched them on Clayface. They said, no, he wrote
Speaker 1: a script. I'm assuming he wrote a script during the strike.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say he did. But it's just like
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, and then he turned it into script.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, you had some downtime put it
Speaker 1: and they're like, this is a great script, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do it. And then they announced, hey, this is actually
Speaker 1: going into production in the fall, like it's happening. We're
Speaker 1: all these other like we talk on these rumors and stuff,
Speaker 1: but again that's not stuff they like. Me and Taylor
Speaker 1: talked about last week that Daniel Craig dropped it as
Speaker 1: Sergeant Rock, like he said, they've never officially ever they
Speaker 1: there's nothing gun Saffron DC relay them saying hey Sergeant
Speaker 1: Rock is coming. It's just stuff that because it's the
Speaker 1: way we the world works now, right that all these scoopers,
Speaker 1: they they get charts and they get casting, so it's
Speaker 1: like stuff that you don't even want to out there.
Speaker 1: We're Star Wars. That's what bugs me. It's like, don't
Speaker 1: officially announce the Ray movie till it's like we're good
Speaker 1: to go, are locked and loaded, which they've done with
Speaker 1: many right.
Speaker 2: So mm hmm yeah, I mean I have you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I don't have my own hashtag like
Speaker 2: Travis told you, but I feel like I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: the Dylan told you here because I feel like since
Speaker 2: this thing was announced, I was like, this is far
Speaker 2: too you know, bold and brave to use the the
Speaker 2: Batman naming scheme to come out here at the Gate
Speaker 2: without anything in production at all and announce all these things. Uh,
Speaker 2: and there's gonna be connectivity between the animated shows, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna do the voice actors, and they're gonna come
Speaker 2: into live action. It's gonna be seamless and perfect and
Speaker 2: all these things are gonna happen. I was like, no chance,
Speaker 2: Like that's just not it's not gonna be as easy
Speaker 2: as they envision it, which clearly has been the case
Speaker 2: if they can't get you know, writers to stay in
Speaker 2: the room long enough to write some of these things.
Speaker 2: And I think now, especially like up in the Ante
Speaker 2: to seven, just seems like even even crazier. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, I I like, we still haven't even gotten
Speaker 2: Superman yet, you know, Like I guess it's kicked off
Speaker 2: now with Creature Commandos. But and then you know, all
Speaker 2: of this is built on the foundation of like WB's
Speaker 2: incredibly shaky foundation, which at any moment could just slip
Speaker 2: out from nt of them and cast all this stuff anyway,
Speaker 2: which feels like six year plan really, Like, I guess
Speaker 2: it's good to think about the future, but at the
Speaker 2: same time, you think that's gonna last that long. We'll
Speaker 2: have to wait and see. And it's like kind of
Speaker 2: outside their control to some extent too, unless their movies
Speaker 2: are all just huge billion dollar movies and all these
Speaker 2: shows make a shit ton of money. But I don't
Speaker 2: even know how shows make money, really, I don't understand
Speaker 2: the economics of all that. It's hard to follow sometimes,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. This is uh not really
Speaker 2: surprising to me. I guess I've always liked the transparency
Speaker 2: but at the same time, I think it could lead
Speaker 2: to some bad blood with people who are really excited
Speaker 2: about these things. You know, the world's number one booster
Speaker 2: gold fan. Holy shit, I'm finally getting a movie. I
Speaker 2: can't believe they announced that and then it just gets
Speaker 2: pulled out for really no like this that's not really
Speaker 2: good reason, Like, oh, the writer kind of just said
Speaker 2: give up on it. Like that sounds like you we're
Speaker 2: not pretty much effort in that project, of like it
Speaker 2: was that easy for it to fall apart. I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes, of course,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't know. We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 2: But I don't buy it. I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 2: go off as smoothly as they expect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I appreciate them being honest, but they also
Speaker 1: don't need to say seven projects, right they because like
Speaker 1: if things don't make it stead, I'm sure they won't
Speaker 1: hit that all the time, right, But just I guess
Speaker 1: maybe just put out what you're gonna put out. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's just higher ups as well too,
Speaker 1: saying we need you to have a quota of this,
Speaker 1: this and this, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah that the no homework thing. To Kirkland's point,
Speaker 2: like so we're getting seven things a year for five
Speaker 2: to six years before we get so we're gonna be
Speaker 2: about thirty to forty projects in between these like team
Speaker 2: up things well health.
Speaker 1: I think they're planning is so I think they're plan
Speaker 1: what they are gonna try and do, which I wish
Speaker 1: the MCU would do something like Clayflace, like you won't
Speaker 1: have to watch at all period. Like they're just like,
Speaker 1: we want to make a monster movie for forty million
Speaker 1: dollars and that's like a cheap movie we can put
Speaker 1: out during Halloween. Boom done. Like I think they do
Speaker 1: plan to have many of those where it is six
Speaker 1: to seven, but it's like, how like right now, I
Speaker 1: guess MS you kind of did, like with Moon Night, right,
Speaker 1: you don't have to, but at the time we're like, well,
Speaker 1: where is Moon Night playing everything? They don't want to
Speaker 1: make it, Like I think Justice League will probably just
Speaker 1: be your like Avengers, where hey watch these you could
Speaker 1: watch these four but like you don't have to. You
Speaker 1: don't have to watch Guardians right to watch Avengers two,
Speaker 1: they have nothing to do. But I think that's what
Speaker 1: they're trying to do like overall. Spub says, that means
Speaker 1: we're gonna be get fifteen DCU projects in time between
Speaker 1: Batman's Reeves movies, which you know what, again, Gunn, they
Speaker 1: did again. I appreciate the clarification after the delay and everything.
Speaker 1: Obviously they could just be lying and just bullshit us,
Speaker 1: but they said, like, hey, that's not our plan to
Speaker 1: make him the Batman. We're doing our own thing. And
Speaker 1: I've said before, as long as I get the Batman,
Speaker 1: I don't really give a fuck what they do at
Speaker 1: the DCU. They can do whatever they want. Does that
Speaker 1: Reeves finishes stuff, But they said they have no plans.
Speaker 1: I think what is interesting before I throw the Taylor
Speaker 1: is they said they're working on the script and the
Speaker 1: first person to see the script will be Andy Andy Mushet,
Speaker 1: who is the director of Braving the Bold, which to
Speaker 1: me makes very little sense that he's like, has very
Speaker 1: little connection with this project until they finish the script.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, he ain't in this movie, and I
Speaker 1: think it'll be someone else. It could even be James
Speaker 1: gun because Jamis Gunn says he loves Batman and he's
Speaker 1: working on something and yet there's even talks of like
Speaker 1: no talks with people just wondering if he's doing a
Speaker 1: Batman Superman moving like a team up and he's not
Speaker 1: doing this. But I'm happy that Pattison is not uh
Speaker 1: not doing that. And uh yeah, they announced like a
Speaker 1: Green Lantern animated show. They announced a Starfire animated show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they confirmed that Teen Titans film. So there's some stuff
Speaker 1: they did confirm here. But uh, tay, what do you
Speaker 1: take from uh all the do you think?
Speaker 4: Do you think James Gunn just he just is like, no,
Speaker 4: no one else can do this, So I'm gonna direct it.
Speaker 4: I did Creature Commandos, I directed Superman, I'll direct Batman
Speaker 4: Braving the Bull, I'll direct Supergirl.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna direct all of it. I think with
Speaker 1: uh not not he didn't do Supergirl Supergirls. Halfway through
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying he'll just take over. No, he
Speaker 1: said that script's going well, like he said, the production's
Speaker 1: going well, that's gonna be ready for next year. I
Speaker 1: think the ones that he will be a part of
Speaker 1: Creature Commando's was just like like whatever, he just did
Speaker 1: that because he just wanted that's a James gun isn't
Speaker 1: think I think anybody that is in that Just League movie,
Speaker 1: that's where he could step in, where it is Superman, Batman.
Speaker 1: I don't know where the fuck Wonder Woman is. Obviously
Speaker 1: we'll talk on Monday about the game. But like even
Speaker 1: in general, like canceled, you should probably be getting that
Speaker 1: that thing going. I'm already said the six year plan
Speaker 1: and no video games. James Gunn did say expect something
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years. I think Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: Games is just a mess right now. So I feel
Speaker 1: like James Gunn, like I get the film thing under
Speaker 1: control and then worry about the game.
Speaker 2: He doesn't really have anything to do with that, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know because he does. He doesn't know, but
Speaker 1: I know he said that they're gonna make games for
Speaker 1: the DCU, So I don't know what that partakes. But
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, just wait on that Warner Brothers Games.
Speaker 4: The fucking release a new roadmap for Kill the Justice League.
Speaker 1: Game or anything.
Speaker 2: We're getting to ten projects a year. Everyone had some
Speaker 2: games in there, good.
Speaker 1: To go, Yeah, but here continue Hi, So I can
Speaker 1: answer your question. He'll do that with the important projects.
Speaker 1: I don't think if he feels it's not working out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think his transparency and his blundness just address that, Hey,
Speaker 4: this is how it is with these projects, and that's great.
Speaker 4: That's wonderful. I think other companies could look at that
Speaker 4: and learn a thing or two. Disney, I would.
Speaker 1: Love to know. I would love to just sit by
Speaker 1: you down and be like, why was Marshay announced in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: And here we are, you know, and have James Gunn
Speaker 4: in the room with you when you break down crying.
Speaker 1: Like like, honestly, that's not their biggest thing. But I
Speaker 1: would love to ask those though this particulars, but they don't. Right,
Speaker 1: we're Gunn. That is something he is doing a bit differently.
Speaker 4: So mm hmm. The plethora though of projects that are
Speaker 4: gonna be coming out, I am just overwhelmed. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm totally okay with you know, two a year, Sure,
Speaker 4: I'll be greedy, but one.
Speaker 2: A year totally works for me.
Speaker 4: Like, holy smokes, I don't need like on and on
Speaker 4: and on and on like a show and a t
Speaker 4: and a movie. That's totally fine. But to I mean,
Speaker 4: clearly they have some goals and clearly they want you
Speaker 4: to make up for lost time, and what happens is
Speaker 4: some of these projects bomb. I don't think Superman's gonna bomb,
Speaker 4: But what happens if Superman.
Speaker 1: Doesn't do very well?
Speaker 4: And is that gonna kind of rock the boat a
Speaker 4: little bit?
Speaker 1: If Superman if that bombs or disappoints, I think it's
Speaker 1: actually just over. I think it's just they go back,
Speaker 1: Like I think this is all I think it is.
Speaker 1: I think they'll do like, oh, I think Reeves will
Speaker 1: be fine, but I think they'll just go back to
Speaker 1: We'll just do a project here and there. I don't
Speaker 1: think Superman is gonna bomb, but I think that's what happened.
Speaker 1: But like to answer your question, that's why you make
Speaker 1: clay Face for forty million dollars, right, Like that helps
Speaker 1: you instead of fight? That's right? Oh well this is
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty dollars move two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty million, like Joker too, right like that? What could
Speaker 1: happen there? So if you make clay Face for forty million, easy,
Speaker 1: Sergeant Rod forty sixty million, Like I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone wants to starge a rock movie, but like you know,
Speaker 1: Green Lanterns is a TV show on HBO Max, you know,
Speaker 1: or HBO Storry just HBO. So so Mike says the
Speaker 1: Superman two happens, does undo it or pass it off?
Speaker 1: I think he definitely does it. But I think I
Speaker 1: do agree with the rumors because he says he's writing something.
Speaker 1: It's not announced. He just says it's connected to Superman.
Speaker 1: I do think he is, because that's every thing too
Speaker 1: with the Batman. He said, well, you might see the
Speaker 1: Batman before Raven Bold. I guess you could have him
Speaker 1: in clay face. There's a chance. But I think you
Speaker 1: will get a Batman Superman movie and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: called World's Finest and that you'll have the team up first.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna laugh if it makes a billion dollars,
Speaker 1: and because the whole thing about BVS not making a
Speaker 1: billion dollars, I don't know if it would, but I
Speaker 1: think that's his next project. But my point is, I
Speaker 1: think Superman two is like after the six Year Plan,
Speaker 1: unless it's a massive movie.
Speaker 4: What was the company he said about Batman, you'd see
Speaker 4: it before.
Speaker 1: He said, there's a chance you'll see him before Braybell,
Speaker 1: because he.
Speaker 4: Said that before after Creature Commandos.
Speaker 1: He said this like it on Monday.
Speaker 4: Oh just okay, now you're gonna say like Creature Commandos
Speaker 4: already proves this point.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, he's in there. But I think people said
Speaker 1: like would because he said they're not gonna, which was
Speaker 1: also interesting. He said he's working at the right room,
Speaker 1: Brad of the He said he would not reveal the
Speaker 1: writer because there'd be too much pressure on them. So
Speaker 1: I'm very curious who is writing Brave in the Bowl,
Speaker 1: like maybe Legit, like or Pierre Saffer and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write my first movie and that's gonna be Batman.
Speaker 1: But no, I think some report asked about Clay Face
Speaker 1: and he said, like there's a chance you'd see Batman before.
Speaker 1: I think it's just because they have no idea when
Speaker 1: Braving the Bull is, and I think they just have
Speaker 1: I think it's all Matt Reeves because unfortunately he did
Speaker 1: say that Matt Reeves still hasn't turned the script yet
Speaker 1: for the Batman and Matt's, you know, take taking his time,
Speaker 1: he's cooking. But I think that's the problem. They have
Speaker 1: no idea when this Batman movie is, so it's like
Speaker 1: like they got to get Batman in there at some point.
Speaker 1: Right and cast Glen Powell.
Speaker 2: So mm hmm give me some points, Yeah, give you some.
Speaker 1: Points for sure. So all right, let's take yeah, last
Speaker 1: that break, and then we'll be back with some daredevils.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back