WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.719 So they leave and it's just literally me then Senator Obama, 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:08.599 secret Service and our camera and a producer, so I 3 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:10.880 have there. I'm there for thirty to forty minutes, just 4 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.880 the two of us, and we'd already done the interview, 5 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:16.760 so we're just talking. Were talking about basketball, dada da, 6 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:20.359 and I just literally just had an epiphany and I said, hey, Senator, 7 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:22.800 if you win, I want to come to the White 8 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:25.640 House and do the bracket. And he said, hey, that's 9 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:29.839 a great idea, and to their credit, they kept the promise, 10 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:34.399 and months later, two thousand and nine, I did it, 11 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:41.719 and we did it every year throughout his presidency. 12 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:44.920 This is the Larravian La Peye Podcasts, a production of 13 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.679 iHeartRadio Podcasts with hosts Wayne Larravie, the voice of the 14 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:51.799 Green Bay Packers, and Matt Lapey, the voice of Wisconsin 15 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:55.840 Badgers football and men's basketball. The Lavian La Pey podcast 16 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:00.679 is presented by UW Credit Union. Here for every you. 17 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:05.120 Hi, everybody, I'm Wayne Larabee. On this episode of the 18 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:08.159 Lara of Ila Pay podcast, we check in with Andy Katz, 19 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:11.920 Reporter Extraordinary for Turner Sports and the Big Ten Network. 20 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:15.560 Was a busy weekend as college basketball starts lapping over 21 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.319 college and pro football. We'll discuss it all. Stay tuned. 22 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:23.760 Good stuff coming up on the Laraviela pay podcast. Got 23 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.040 Cheddar on your Mind? Uw Credit Union can help with 24 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:31.200 fee free checking and great rates to let you keep 25 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:36.519 more of your cheese. Join at WCu dot org insured 26 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:41.879 by NCUA Equal Opportunity Lender. We welcome in Andy Katz, 27 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.760 who's been an outstanding reporter and analyst along with the 28 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:49.079 sidelines of college basketball with a Big ten network NCAA tournament. 29 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.239 A University of Wisconsin Madison graduate, a history and political 30 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.239 science major. Andy, that was kind of I had a 31 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:01.760 political science minor. These are interra times outside of sports, 32 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:03.000 are they not? Well? 33 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:06.640 And here's the crazy thing. You know what my certificate was. 34 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:10.280 My minor was in Soviet and East European studies. 35 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:16.520 Wow, so let's talk about Ukraine? How about that? What 36 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:18.759 is that ever? Covered? Handy? Yes? 37 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:23.680 I use it all the time. Also shows that I'm older. 38 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:25.639 The fact that when I went to school, the Cold 39 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:27.840 War was still happening and the Berlin Wall was still up. 40 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:33.639 So you were you were on campus covering the Wisconsin 41 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:36.800 Arizona game last week? You are back on campus from 42 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.840 from time to time when you get back to town, 43 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:41.439 where's the first place you need to visit? 44 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.240 Well, because I'm also on the board of visitors for 45 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.759 the School of Communications, sort of just drawn to Vilas 46 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:54.280 Hall and so I feel like I'm always there, and 47 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.479 I really spent most of my four years in that building. 48 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:03.199 And the crazy thing it has not changed. In fact, 49 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.120 at our meeting they were talking about all that. I mean, 50 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:10.479 it's crazy to see all the incredible, you know, buildings 51 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:13.439 that have gone up and redone in business school and everything, 52 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:15.800 and that's the one building that has not really been 53 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:21.479 touched yet that in Humanities and literally the furniture everything 54 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.159 looks the same. I'm sure it's filled with asbestos and 55 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:28.400 lead and everything else, you know, just because it's been 56 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:32.039 there since probably the forties, I don't know, but you know, 57 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:36.879 I always go there. This was kind of quick, so 58 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.360 I felt I missed my opportunity to get to the Union, 59 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:43.919 which I usually go to and Bascom Hill. I love 60 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:48.240 taking walks along the water or run along the water, 61 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:51.400 so I missed on that opportunity, especially because the weather 62 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.800 was so great. Just because it was kind of an 63 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.159 in and out quick trip. But hopefully next time. But 64 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.000 those are sort of the spots that I always feel 65 00:03:59.000 --> 00:03:59.680 like I got to go. 66 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.159 To Andy, tell us a little bit about how you 67 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.680 got to where you are now. I mean, you know, 68 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.879 coming up the ladder, the way you have to to 69 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.080 be a sideline reporter, to be an analyst, that kind 70 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:14.879 of thing. How did you get going after you left Wisconsin? 71 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.480 Well, one thing I wanted to say that that and 72 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:19.759 I say this to now students, you know, and we 73 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:22.759 met with students, and I do this every time is 74 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.480 first of all, never burnt a bridge, and you never 75 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.839 know when someone will help you. And I'm really conscious 76 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:33.079 of that now, of paying it forward. And so one 77 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.560 of the spots that it's not like a Michelin restaurant 78 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.240 or anything like that, But what has a warm spot 79 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.439 in my heart is the nitty gritty because Mars Shapiro 80 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.160 actually was the first one who gave me outside of 81 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:51.120 like the Daily Cardinal, like a real shot. And I 82 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.240 cannot remember, and I wish I could. I can't remember 83 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.199 what the connection was, but I knew someone who knew him, 84 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:00.079 and we were introduced and at the time he was 85 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:04.920 working for wiv A, and so he hired me to Uh, 86 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.839 to basically go get sound at the time with literally 87 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:14.279 like a sid Hartman recorder. Okay, we're all dating ourselves 88 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:16.959 by saying that, you know, with the handheld mike and 89 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.800 the pushing the button the cassette tape. And I went 90 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.399 to lambeau Field a number of times, uh, you know, 91 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:28.639 to get Packers sound. I went to Brewer Games, Buck Games, 92 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:31.279 and you know, that was sort of my first foray 93 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:33.800 in the in the professional sports of of just being 94 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.480 in locker rooms outside of you know, being a student reporter. 95 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:39.399 And then at that, you know, then it went from 96 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:41.879 there to to the State Journal and then and the 97 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.600 thing I also brought up that I really because we 98 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.480 talked about how this, you know, the current landscape is 99 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:53.040 so difficult and one thing again, I'm I definitely owe it. 100 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.759 The beginning of my career was we had a deal 101 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.560 that the current sports edt of the Daily Cardinal was 102 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:06.040 essentially like a paid intern of the Milwaukee Journal backing 103 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:10.600 up the full time person. So the year so prior 104 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:13.360 to me it was Rob Heerrnandez Phil Treewan, and then 105 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:15.480 it was me. Those were a three in a row 106 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:20.120 and my year. Here's a name from the past it 107 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:24.720 was Dennis Chapman who was the beat writer, and so 108 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:28.079 I was his backup, and he was new because he 109 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.079 was a news guy and he was brought over to 110 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.959 do sports, and so he kind of leaned on me 111 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:37.639 a lot because I knew everybody, and so I got 112 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:42.759 a lot of opportunities back then and covering football and basketball, 113 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.120 and then they gave me the hockey beat, and then 114 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.560 they went and won the national championship. Wow, And they 115 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:51.240 sent me to Detroit and that team was littered with 116 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:55.879 NHL players, and so I had like front page stories 117 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:59.240 in the Milwaukee Journal as a senior in college and 118 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.399 like that just does doesn't happen, and so you know, 119 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:06.040 and that springboarded me to ultimately do it, going to 120 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:11.720 Albuquerque and then to to Fresno to cover tarc and 121 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.319 while I was there, that's when I was freelancing for ESPN, 122 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.720 which then catapulted me to ESPN. So they're like all 123 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.399 these dots connect. And the one other thing I got 124 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:22.040 to just tell you that another thing I always tell 125 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.560 young people, and not to sound like the old guy, 126 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:28.399 but I mean this is true. You never know what 127 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.759 someone is going to be interested in that might hire you. 128 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:34.480 And that year, I was working with the Milwaukee Journal 129 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:39.319 of all things. Aaron Pryor was making a comeback in Madison. 130 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:45.560 The boxer wait, and I knew nothing about boxing. This 131 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:49.759 is zero, but they sent me to cover it. And 132 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:52.920 so I covered this boxing event Aaron Pryor as this 133 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:56.360 comeback and I can't even remember where Madison was, but 134 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.560 it's just this bizarre whole scene. And I write all 135 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.519 these stories. And at the last second, when I was 136 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:04.480 getting the job to cover well, when I was applying 137 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.879 for the New Mexico job, I think, you know, let 138 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.279 me just throw this in as something like just different. 139 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:17.839 Turns out the sports editor in Albuquerque huge boxing guy huge. 140 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:21.480 He sees that he and he immediately says, oh, this 141 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.879 guy can do pretty much anything. And I mean, at 142 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.439 twenty two, I got hired over a lot of other people. 143 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.399 And he told me that that was one of the 144 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.480 main reasons that he hired me, because I showed I 145 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.279 could do more. And so, like you never know how things, 146 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:38.720 you know, how it all connects. 147 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:41.639 I remember I covered that deal too with their implier 148 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.399 who was from Ohio. I was on the phone a 149 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:48.519 lot with a reporter at WLW radio in Cincinnati, because 150 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:50.360 he had to get cleared. He had an eye inject 151 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.639 I had medically cleared, and the and the event was 152 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.039 on again, off again, on again, off again. I can't 153 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.000 even think of where, like you, I can't think of 154 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.399 where exactly it ended up. You know that some church 155 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.120 or something I think it was. And he couldn't even 156 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:06.919 tell you the guy. I think it was a phantom 157 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.919 punch that knocked the guy out. But it was a 158 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:13.840 bizarre It was a bizarre day. I appreciate what you 159 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:15.759 said said a couple of minutes ago that never burnt 160 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.879 a bridge, because you never know what could come back 161 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:21.519 around for you. And I remember while I was talking 162 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:25.120 to your Friday night and you mentioned working out at 163 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:28.919 the Fresno b and covering Jerry Tarkanian's PRESDO state team. 164 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.399 Oh my goodness, the stories, the personalities, and you know, 165 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:37.159 from Chris Harron to Melo Eli, that's probably twenty years 166 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.440 worth of stories into what two or three years you 167 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:40.320 were out there with them. 168 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:42.360 Yeah, I was there four and I will say that 169 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:46.639 was by far the most challenging part of my career 170 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.159 outside of when you know which I can tell the 171 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.440 second boat when I got laid off with the money 172 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:57.679 cut back to ESPN because so then I was only 173 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:01.679 like twenty five or twenty six, and I'm thrust into 174 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:06.559 basically there's news every day. And the columnists at the 175 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:10.320 time was Adrian Wadronowski. Okay, so we were there together 176 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.919 and because we had both applied to be the beat writer, 177 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:18.440 and then they they said they want to take us both, 178 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.360 so they made him the columnists, me the beat writer. 179 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.679 But then they basically essentially at one point said that 180 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:25.120 I had to be the good cop in him the 181 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:27.399 bad cop, because they wanted because they had all these 182 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.399 loyal fans that you know, loved Tark and they want 183 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:35.159 copying the paper. Yet there was constant chaos, and so 184 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:40.159 I constantly had to walk this fine line of getting information, 185 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.840 helping our news side, but at the same time talking, 186 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.440 you know, just doing basketball and covering Tark and all that. 187 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:51.039 And it was a hard straddle that I was. I'll 188 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:53.080 be honest, I was very stressed the whole time I 189 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:57.679 was there because something was always happening something. 190 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.360 Well tell you know, and I don't want to make 191 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.200 this just about Tark, but he is one of the 192 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:10.159 most interesting, polarizing, endearing figures all wrapped into one and 193 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.639 in the history college basketball, what kind of when you 194 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.120 peel back the layers of that onion, what kind of 195 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:16.679 guy was he? 196 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.120 Well? And so I had an interesting vantage point because 197 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.360 I caught him at the end, and so he was 198 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:26.240 a little softer for lack of a better term. You know, 199 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.519 he wasn't as I mean, I just I wasn't. You know, 200 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.159 I didn't cover him in the heyday of UNLB in 201 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:36.919 the eighties, so he you know, I he was older. 202 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.600 I mean, he had he would forget things, and uh, 203 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:43.360 you know, it was kind of like when I would 204 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.440 I mean, I took many trips with him, and you know, 205 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.159 because they wanted me to like always be with them, 206 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:49.679 and it was almost like I was, you know, with 207 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:51.799 my grandfather or something. But I mean because I had 208 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:55.080 sort of shaper him around sometimes. But no, he was 209 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:59.639 the people that he that attracted to him. It was 210 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.279 care It was like a it was like a sitcom, 211 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.639 you know what I mean, or like sopranos more like 212 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:08.279 you know, because there was I'll never forget his buddy 213 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:14.480 from Piero's, the Vegas restaurant. There was one game after 214 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:18.679 they played Santa Or State and he goes into the 215 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:24.799 locker room, and uh, he's congratulating all the players for 216 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.039 the money that he made off of them because they 217 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.320 covered the spread and you know, like and just that 218 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.919 kind of stuff just happened, just happened. But you know 219 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:39.759 the thing it's crazy is his whole career was fighting 220 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.200 the NCAA and all these rules. And it's really I 221 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:48.559 do really wonder what would he think now when essentially 222 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.480 everything's legal, you know what I mean, it's now above 223 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.240 the table, And like I do wonder, like, well, what 224 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:55.799 would you think of all this because like there's no 225 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:57.879 shady deals, it's just all happening. 226 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.799 It is where thinking about the Wisconsint they had the 227 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.159 shoe box deal like twenty five years ago, and now 228 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:07.159 it's like, really that's all you got? I mean, have 229 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:08.000 you get ramped up? 230 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:09.159 Baby? This is not good enough. 231 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.960 And idear to God that that when I talked to 232 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:15.879 Bow at the Hall of Fame, I forgot that's when 233 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:16.600 he came in. 234 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.080 Yeah he inherited that, Yes, yeah he did. They had 235 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:23.440 a couple of guys they had to kind of monitor, 236 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:27.080 you know, or minutes or whatever they were. They had 237 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:28.919 a couple of guys maybe the previous year had to 238 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.039 sit for a couple of games. The football guys that go. 239 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:33.840 But yeah, the sanctions, I think we're still a little 240 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.559 bit in existence there. We'll go back to tark though, 241 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:40.000 I mean, love him or hate him, a true character 242 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:43.679 of the game. And people now they watch college sports, 243 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.000 who are the characters? Who are the coaches that you 244 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:49.679 genuinely you know they're they're really good at what they 245 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:53.399 do what you would describe as a character. Is there 246 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.120 still a cluster of coaches who fit. 247 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:59.919 Well, it's unfortunately declining because guys are retiring or passed. 248 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:03.200 You know, there's no question that cal John cal Perry 249 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.840 is a character, and he continues to be now at Arkansas. 250 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:09.960 You know, I think Tom Izzo is in his own way. 251 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:13.960 Uh So those two jump right out, you know to me, 252 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.960 you know, the I mean we just you know, Beehon 253 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.799 just left, you know, Roy Kay like Kay was as 254 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:24.919 much a character. But you know, I mean, I think 255 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.320 those are the sort of the two that jump out 256 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.360 the most. I mean, Bill self obviously is you know, 257 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:37.200 one of the winningest coaches now at Kansas and all time, 258 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:42.279 but he's not He's a little more reserved in that sense. 259 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:43.360 Uh. 260 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:45.600 You know, we don't have John Cheney anymore, Nolan Richard's 261 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.039 and Bob Huggins. So it'll be interesting to see if 262 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:54.039 any of the younger guys, you know, go in that direction. 263 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:58.519 I mean, like, you know, someone like Pat Kelsey who 264 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.279 constantly sort of puts on a show. I don't really 265 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:04.200 know what the real person is there. We'll see if 266 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.039 he can be successful at Louisville to where that is relevant. 267 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.600 But he tries to be that. I will see if 268 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:10.679 that plays out that way. 269 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:12.360 All right, guys, I got to tell you, in my 270 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:15.720 early days of doing television college basketball, it was the 271 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.320 Missouri Valley Conference back in the eighties. You talk about characters, 272 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:27.440 let's start with Dick versays, Nolan Richardson, Jean Smithson. Goodness, 273 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.320 and they had players, My god, that they have players 274 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.440 on that level. Nothing like the I mean, the Valley's 275 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:36.320 a good league, don't get me wrong. It still is 276 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:41.120 to this day. But back then they had real meat 277 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:44.600 and potatoes kind of players. It was really something to cover. 278 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:49.080 Yeah, And you know, I feel like coaches today are 279 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:55.120 a little bit more. They're more guarded, you know, and 280 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.120 and and some of them maybe don't have the equity 281 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:58.879 that they had. And I think this is happening in 282 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.840 football too. Oh yeah, you know I know that that 283 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:05.039 that there. I mean I think back just when I 284 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:09.200 was in college. You know, we had Hayden Fry at Iowa. 285 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:13.519 Bo Schambeckler was a Michigan. I think I think what 286 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:18.240 he's was already gone. But you know there was definitely 287 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:21.440 well turn state, Yeah, you're Joe fraternal. 288 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:21.919 Yeah. 289 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.360 And then and then in his old way sort of 290 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:26.200 Barry comes in. I mean, but you know, and he's 291 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:30.159 a presence, So there was definitely I mean, that's definitely 292 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.720 dissipating as well. 293 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:38.159 On Wisconsin off fees, get fee free checking options in 294 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:40.840 war at UW credit Union, join at u W, c 295 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.399 U dot org. Terms and conditions apply ensured by n 296 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:49.039 c U. A. You mentioned a few minutes ago you 297 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:52.080 were in Springfield when when Bo Ryan was inducted into 298 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:55.039 the Nasement Basketball Hall of Fame, a character in his 299 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:59.600 own category. Yeah, I guess people around here were pretty 300 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:02.320 impress that he actually stayed under the shop clock with 301 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:05.480 his speech, which was really good. And I mean you've 302 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:10.000 gotten to know him, You've obviously interviewed him dozens of times. 303 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:12.640 When I say the name, you know, coach bow Ryan, 304 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:14.319 what's the first thing that comes to your mind. 305 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:16.480 Well, I just think of being a winner. I mean, 306 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:18.519 that's the word that pops in my head. I mean, 307 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:20.839 I don't have the stats in front of it, but 308 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.359 I don't know if he even had a losing season. 309 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.480 You know, he just he just always won and he 310 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.880 did it his way, stubborn. And actually, you know, he's 311 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:34.279 another interesting you know, how would he handle this current 312 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:39.440 situation and also how would he handle the change in personnel? 313 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.079 And that's one thing not to get ahead, but I'm 314 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.480 really impressed. Even just two weeks in, already we're feeling 315 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:50.200 like greg Gard has adapted to the personnel and not 316 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:52.000 like this is the way we play. You come here, 317 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.039 this is how you play. He's got guys that can 318 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:56.920 go up and down and score. Okay, let's go. You know, 319 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.880 I don't I'm not saying bow wouldn't you know it 320 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.319 was hard to get that kind of player at Wisconsin 321 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.440 and so you know, who could just fill it up. 322 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:09.079 I mean they had the great run where they had 323 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:12.119 some scores, but even like Frank Kaminsky, no one thought 324 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.039 he'd be that kind of a score. I mean, you know, 325 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:19.279 so would he adjust to the way the game is played, 326 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:23.480 what do you deal with nil and the collective? And 327 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:27.319 you know, like the one thing we don't I mean, 328 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.119 I've talked to coaches, but I don't really have a 329 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:32.559 full grasp of how much time they have to spend 330 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.559 on that that pulls them away from I mean, I 331 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:40.240 know that's why they're hiring specific people for that at 332 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:43.519 a lot of these schools, including Wisconsin. But the time 333 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:44.480 spent that you got to. 334 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:44.960 Deal with that. 335 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.000 And I go back to like last March, I'm doing 336 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:51.079 sideline in the in the region in Boston, and I'll 337 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.960 never forget during the shoot rounds that day for the 338 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:58.960 for the Sweet sixteen, Brad Underwood comes in and he 339 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:00.599 was like sort of hurrying in and he's like, oh, 340 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:02.359 I was just on the phone dealing with the portal, 341 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:06.640 you know, for next year, and he's about the coach 342 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:07.400 of the Sweet sixteen. 343 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:10.440 You know, if it had been the Elite eight game, 344 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.799 then maybe people would have been critical because so poorly, 345 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:16.799 but they won the Sweet sixteen yet, But yeah, I 346 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:18.640 mean the fact that you know that they're dealing with 347 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:19.759 this stuff all the time. 348 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:22.680 Yeah, you know, Andy, you bring up such a great 349 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.039 point of how coaches and I don't care if it 350 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:31.359 if it was Bob Knight, any of these number of personalities. 351 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:35.839 We talked about bow Ryan, anyone like this, and I 352 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.240 am really impressed, as you are, with Greg Gard and 353 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.279 the way he has adopted. He came from the bow 354 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.240 Ryan tree. They do things a certain way. They get 355 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:45.720 a player as a freshman. He doesn't probably see much 356 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.119 light of day as a freshman, but a little bit 357 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:50.000 more as a software they develop, and he's in All 358 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:52.440 America as a junior and senior and he goes on 359 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.480 from there. That's the type of thing. And I talked 360 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:58.000 to Greg Guard about this about two years ago when 361 00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:59.680 I was in there to do a game, and he said, 362 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:03.240 you know, this is where a program like ours is 363 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.640 getting hurt because we develop our players, and that's not 364 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:11.680 the case. These players don't. They don't have that long 365 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:14.599 an attention span, they don't have that much patience to 366 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:18.359 wait on their careers. And then you've got people say, well, hey, listen, 367 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.680 if you come over here to Akron, we'll get you 368 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:22.839 a nice little stipend and you'll play right away. That 369 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:25.000 kind of thing, and so the kid flips in a year. 370 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:29.279 It's really changing. But I think the great coaches, and 371 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:34.000 Bob Knight probably begrudgingly would have changed, so would Bow 372 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.240 as you pointed out, And I think we're seeing it 373 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:39.400 with Greg Gard very much a system type of coach, 374 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:42.039 but a guy who's had to adapt to what's going 375 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:45.799 on in the game today and player movement, and that's huge. 376 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:48.559 Well, and I will say this, I think you know, 377 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.640 there are collection of schools that do this. Marquette Shak 378 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:54.960 has been able to do that, certainly Matt Painter for 379 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:57.640 the most part, Toime Izzo. I think you can include 380 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:01.240 Mark fu doing that, Gonzaga and obviously Dan Hurley Yukon 381 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:03.559 where yeah, they're bringing in some guys, but they really 382 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:10.119 are also developing and that's obviously, you know, important to 383 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:14.599 have consistency in the program, and so that allows them 384 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.920 to do that. I mean, I will say that I 385 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:19.559 don't know about you, but I kind of feel like 386 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:23.440 that the coaches might have going from era to era 387 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.119 having a harder time, would have a harder time than 388 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:28.599 if we were to pluck a player from another era 389 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:30.400 and put them into this one. 390 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:32.279 No, it's a great time. I need a lot of 391 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.359 ways to be to be a player. My question is, 392 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:37.240 and we were all trying to figure out how this 393 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:39.519 is going to look in the next couple of years, 394 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:42.680 even with revenue sharing coming on the path to that 395 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:46.599 effective for next season. But the biggest complaint that I 396 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:49.039 hear is not the players are getting money, is that 397 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:52.319 every year a players a free agent. What's the most 398 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.119 realistic solution to that? Is there a way to get 399 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:58.559 a binding if it's two years whatever, some multi year 400 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:01.799 agreement where okay, you will make this from revenue share. 401 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:04.559