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The link to that to the podcast and 20 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:03,520 YouTube description and the big question though more, how are 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:03,880 you doing? 22 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: You see the Bulls banner on the board. 23 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:07,719 Speaker 1: Like, how does that make you feel when you come 24 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:09,280 in the room and that's the first team that you 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,359 know we're gonna talk about. 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: Honestly, I am so far removed from my twenty two 27 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,120 year fan hood off the team at this point that 28 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,799 it just it registers as any other NBA team, which 29 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:24,439 was a realization I had not that long ago, because 30 00:01:24,599 --> 00:01:26,439 you know, a lot of people always said, like, all 31 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:28,480 I grew up with a certain team that are going 32 00:01:28,519 --> 00:01:32,879 to be like lingering feelings, and like no, no, I 33 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:36,680 am fully on the other side, like the breakup is final. 34 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,719 I have had closure, Dan, So this is great. 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,359 Speaker 1: Look, I wore my Bulls red just for you, just 36 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,599 I want everything to come up Bulls. But let's get 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,519 started with because I'm excited you're gonna take us. You're 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,439 gonna take us on a journey and I can't wait 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,680 for it. But we got to get the minutia out 40 00:01:55,719 --> 00:01:56,040 of the way. 41 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: First. 42 00:01:56,719 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the Bulls's trade deadline vitals. 43 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,760 So they have about thirteen point six million dollars in 44 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,079 room beneath the tacks. They could have sixty million plus 45 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:09,560 in cap space this summer. That is them renouncing all 46 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:12,639 of their free agents. Kobe White, I would assum Munikolovucevich, 47 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:15,360 Kevin hurd Er, the whole nine your favorite, Zach Collins. 48 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,879 I know that'd be a bummer for you. They they 49 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,240 do have all their own firsts as of right now. 50 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,240 They also control Portland's first that is lottery protected more 51 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:25,680 until the end of time. 52 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: Did you know that correct? Yes, that that is actually 53 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:32,639 in the the lengo of the deal. Yes, until the 54 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,240 end of time literally, yes, but. 55 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: It's actually through twenty twenty eight. And if it doesn't convey, 56 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:40,639 it'll go. It turns into one second round pick. And 57 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,439 they also their biggest trade exception six point two million 58 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:46,080 dollars from the Isaaca Korro trade that to be honest, 59 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,800 it could have expired by the time you listen to 60 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,280 this February third, twenty twenty six. My question really quickly, 61 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,840 do you think the Portland pick will convey by twenty 62 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,919 twenty eight? I think it will, right, Yeah. 63 00:02:56,719 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 4: I think it will. They, I mean, depending on which 64 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,120 direction they go in. Obviously the Blazers, like dude, they 65 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:06,159 want to hit the acceleration button. I have a feeling there. 66 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,120 I don't think they're that interested in being bad anymore, 67 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:12,560 right Like, it feels like they've gotten a group together 68 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,639 that's interesting. Danny ab devis breaking out like Dame is 69 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,840 coming back next year. It just it feels as though 70 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:22,120 this team could make some noise. So I I want 71 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,080 to lean like I'm gonna attack this from a positive 72 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,840 ankle inside of the bulls for a change and say 73 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,719 yes for the sake of the bulls. I do hope 74 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:32,800 it conveys, because that would be the first time a 75 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,159 pick actually goes to the Bulls in like what six 76 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,719 hundred and seventy four years. 77 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:41,039 Speaker 1: Oh, when is the last time they got another team's 78 00:03:41,039 --> 00:03:42,800 first round I don't know that off rip is the 79 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:44,639 question is. 80 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,479 Speaker 3: That like the Eddie Curry trade, No, it has. 81 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:52,319 Speaker 2: From the I better not be for their say, but god. 82 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: I don't even remember. 83 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 4: Like they didn't even get like a real first by 84 00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:59,599 trading sac Lavine, Demartin Rosen or anyone like, oh. 85 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,639 Speaker 3: That would They didn't even get like the best assets 86 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:02,520 in the right. 87 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 4: Right, they got their pick back, which I don't think counts. 88 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,960 I don't think that doesn't. 89 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:10,039 Speaker 1: That doesn't count as acquiring an acquiring your own first 90 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,280 round pick is not the same as acquiring another team's 91 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,199 first round pick, right, So more of the story is 92 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,759 we both think that if they were to trade that 93 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:20,040 Portland pick, another team can view it as we will. 94 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:22,040 We're not getting it this year, but it'll convey in 95 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:23,800 twenty seven or twenty eight. So I think that's a 96 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:29,040 real first round pick, I think. So here's the question more, 97 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:32,040 how will they how should they approach the trade deadline? 98 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: You teased it. 99 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: I don't even know the full breadth of it, but 100 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,600 you said you had to take here, and so I'm 101 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:37,600 very happy to say here. 102 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 4: But let me let me first answer the actual question, 103 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:42,560 how will they approach the trade deadline? I don't think 104 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,439 they'll approach it in a way that we will understand. 105 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,639 I think they will do something that is weird and 106 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,279 where we're sitting afterwards and going, hmmm, all right, you 107 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:54,639 did that. 108 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: Sure, that's that's fine. 109 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: I guess like it's it's gonna be something where it's 110 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,079 gonna be weird and awkward and we're just gonna look 111 00:05:04,199 --> 00:05:06,040 at each other and going, do you get it? 112 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: No? 113 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,399 Speaker 3: Do you get it? Nope? 114 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 4: And that's gonna be the end of it now in 115 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,439 terms of how they should approach the deadline. So, Dan, 116 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,199 it's been a while since we've recorded together. So I've 117 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:19,759 come fully prepared with the loaded machine guns on this one. 118 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,519 All right, I think the bull should actually go in 119 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,879 on the Giannis Ansatakumbu sweepstakes. And because that is not 120 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 a single player on this roster who is untradeable. And 121 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,800 I say that as a major Matzas busselas fan, and 122 00:05:34,879 --> 00:05:37,680 I understand people will say, what about Josh Kitty. No, no, no, 123 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,079 no one on this roster is untradeable. They have control 124 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,720 of all the all their own draft picks, which you 125 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,160 just outline, and I think that is crucial. That means 126 00:05:48,199 --> 00:05:51,319 that they can go in and offer Josh Kitty, Matzas Boussels, 127 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:55,120 and a bunch of draft picks, including some of the 128 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,000 and they're not the draft picks, but including some of 129 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,720 the expiring contracts to align salaries. Right, So here's my thinking, 130 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:04,639 because this has to be step one in at least 131 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:08,240 a two step plan. Now you get Giannis in there, 132 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,399 and you include the contract of Josh Gitty, which is 133 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:15,759 twenty five million on the books next year, and you still, 134 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,319 you know, you don't have to match as much salary, 135 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,160 like you don't have to make up in Giannis's entire 136 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,680 contract with expiring contracts like the twenty five million for 137 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:26,279 Josh Gitty. Right now, we'll take up like what a 138 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,959 little over half of the salary matching for Janni's. 139 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,319 Speaker 3: I think, so, can't you. 140 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: Just you could probably just do Josh Giddy and Zach 141 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,680 Collins and that might get you there. 142 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: Josh Giddy and Vooch would probably get you there. 143 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you. 144 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: Probably need to add Busselos obviously, And like some of 145 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,959 the maybe Dosumu or whoever, honestly, Dan, whoever the hell 146 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,319 they want. It's fine because the idea here isn't just necessarily, hey, 147 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:52,839 let's just trade for Yanna's and give up everything the 148 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,879 to the Bucks and then just try to win with 149 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:59,079 Giannis and nothing. No, the idea is that even if 150 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,600 you trade for Yanni's, who's going to be earning fifty 151 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:04,600 eight million next year? Fifty eight and a half million, 152 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:11,000 honestly next year, because of the plethora of expiring contracts 153 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,160 on their books. The Bulls after in this theoretical scenario, 154 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,360 after acquiring Yanis, could still go into free agency and 155 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:23,319 actually dangle Yanis as a hey come play with him. Hello, 156 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:27,000 Austin Reeves, would you like to come to Chicago? And 157 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:33,399 be the secondary option to janis Astakumpo. Now, some people 158 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,160 will arguably say, well, I mean, is that a lot 159 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,319 better than the depth that they have right now? Maybe not, 160 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:41,839 but it'll be more fun, Like it will be a 161 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,480 more competitive team. I think in terms of like the 162 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,879 high end ceiling, having a Yani's slash Austin Reeves duo 163 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:51,439 would at least be fun and it would at least 164 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,959 be competitive, like the the top tier ceiling I think 165 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,240 would be higher. And again like it's impossible trait the 166 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:03,800 entire roster, so some talents will still remain. Like if 167 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:09,160 the Bucks are disinclined to accept Iodosumu, for example, like 168 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:12,360 you can resign him this summer as well. There are 169 00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:16,480 a lot of options here for them moving forward. I 170 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,000 would just think that is more of an interesting pathway. 171 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:24,920 It's way more risky, but it's an interesting pathway instead 172 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:29,319 of just you know, training for Zion Williamson or on 173 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:31,399 a well, I mean, let's just be real here. Demantsa's 174 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:34,120 bonus has been bandied about as a bulls target for 175 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,679 about six months now. I don't think that's particularly inspiring, 176 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,279 So I think this could be more fun. Now, I 177 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,000 will say Just because they offer the farm for your 178 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:49,559 honest does not mean necessarily the bus will agree to it. 179 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,440 But that should be their approach at least. Just reach 180 00:08:53,480 --> 00:09:00,240 out to Milwaukee and just say listen, listen, Bucks, as 181 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,639 you see us lay down on the bed, just ravage 182 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,399 us for everything you want. Just take us for everything 183 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:13,000 that we have. That would be from the Bucks's perspective. 184 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,759 Speaker 1: Unless you like modest Boozellis and a bunch of Bulls picks, 185 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:19,879 They're like, what other team's future do you want to 186 00:09:19,919 --> 00:09:23,360 short more than the Bulls. Maybe the Kings, probably the Pelicans, 187 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,440 and I guess the Bulls have this knack for always 188 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,320 being in the middle, so you could, but for Milwaukee 189 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,480 unless you think that Aman Thompson or Dylan Harper or 190 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,399 someone's gonna be available to you over the offseason. I 191 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,360 think that's a very compelling. Modest Boozellis and a metric 192 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:40,360 ton of Bulls picks. I think that's great for them. 193 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:44,080 From the Bulls, I understand your map out of let's 194 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,879 get Yannis, let's have cap space, and that's definitely a 195 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:51,159 real pitch Yannis. It's like we could sit here and say, well, 196 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,879 you don't do that unless Yanna says he's going to 197 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:55,159 sign an extension with you, right, I don't think he's 198 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,600 giving the bull The bulls of all teams aren't getting 199 00:09:57,639 --> 00:09:59,879 that promise from him, and so as Chicago or you 200 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,519 making you're doing this anyway, you're going on that path anyway. 201 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 4: I mean, look, look, look at this team. Look at 202 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,480 this team, like there again in the middle of nowhere, 203 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:12,039 as they have been for what feels like half an 204 00:10:12,039 --> 00:10:16,399 eternity at this point. It's they're so irrelevant. They were 205 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:18,720 just like this is a team that does not matter 206 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,000 in many way, shapes and forms, and like even the 207 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,720 fan base has just completely tuned out on this. The 208 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:27,639 squad like they're they're just they don't care. They need something, 209 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:31,360 They need something major, like when it's the last time 210 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,519 they actually acquired a real superstar in the in his prime, 211 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,080 Dwayne Wade doesn't count. If they trade for Anthony Davis, 212 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:42,120 that won't count either, Like Giannis is that dude? 213 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: And yeah, some. 214 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: Bullsmen will say, well, I don't want to give up 215 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:48,320 Josh Giddy for Gianna Sanzukumpo, in which case I will 216 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:52,879 laugh at you very loudly, because yes you should. Again, 217 00:10:53,159 --> 00:10:56,080 this just this is something else and if they could 218 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,799 get this is the risky part again, like going into 219 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,799 free agency, because you never know. Austin Breeches might say, look, 220 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,519 that's playing with Giannis is super attractive, but I want 221 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:06,480 to stay in in. 222 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:11,639 Speaker 1: Could you imagine if the Lakers lost another homegrown player 223 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,679 essentially to the Bulls and free agency. 224 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:17,039 Speaker 3: That'd be really funny, man. 225 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,799 Speaker 4: I mean, look, I at least he's a one homegrown 226 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:23,960 who's like a real star, who would be like a 227 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:27,080 major ascid for once, Like, when is the last time 228 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,559 the Bulls gotta get Okay homegrown Caruso was like. 229 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's not. He wasn't on that level. You know. 230 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: No what I'm saying, it would be worse. It'd be worse. 231 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: It'd just be funny for the Lakers if Okay Caruso 232 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,440 left and time with the Bulls and Bray and Austin 233 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,240 goes and does the same thing. 234 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,519 Speaker 4: Right, Uh, Talen Horton, Tucker Slander all right. 235 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: No. 236 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:49,759 Speaker 3: Player option tailor? 237 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean that's I think it's interesting because 238 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,559 we are always looking at expiring contracts as though, like, oh, 239 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,960 how do you like go up this getting Giannis and 240 00:12:02,039 --> 00:12:04,639 still having this much money in free agency? How could 241 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,919 that not be an asset in and of itself, Like 242 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,879 you get a guy in who's like a Tier one 243 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:12,679 superstar who's like, at worst, what for worst in the 244 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:16,799 league or sorry for best? Like at worst, like he's 245 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,799 at that level, Surely someone will look at that in 246 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:23,639 free agency and go, oh, there's like a forty million 247 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,960 dollar a year contract waiting for me to play with Gianni. 248 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: Man I did not expect you to come out with 249 00:12:32,039 --> 00:12:34,360 that it I think from the bucks this person. When 250 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:36,320 you look at the teams that are mentioned for Giannis 251 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,799 as you and I are recording this, it's Golden State, Miami, Minnesota, 252 00:12:40,879 --> 00:12:41,480 and New York. 253 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: I agree that Minnesota has some. 254 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: Compelling pieces of what could you get for Jade and McDaniels, 255 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,000 and then Baron Jay and Terren Shannon Junior if he's 256 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,080 healthy or interesting. You can't sell me on Dillingham having 257 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,279 first round value right now. 258 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: I just haven't seen enough. 259 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: So the Knicks and. 260 00:12:57,159 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: The Wolves being in there just sort of is Giannis 261 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,879 forcing forcing his way there. The Warriors have a real package, 262 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:07,679 I think four first round picks, and Steph isn't going 263 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:10,639 to be there forever, Like that's that's a real Like, 264 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,600 that's a real offer, Miami khalil Ware, two first round picks, 265 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,799 other stuff swaps. They get to four first round picks 266 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:20,240 if they wait until the offseason. If you like Jakacionis, 267 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:23,159 they have some of these guys on the margint Pelle Larson. 268 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: Could be good. That's a real offer. 269 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: But like what you're laying out with the Bulls, even 270 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,159 if you don't think modest, Buzellis is a blue chip 271 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:34,759 type of prospect, and he's he's probably a cut below that, 272 00:13:34,799 --> 00:13:35,960 at least from what we've seen. 273 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 2: But like that's a that's maybe the most compelling. 274 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:45,799 Speaker 1: This offer hasn't been ruled out scenario that I've heard, 275 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,279 because from it seems like Houston, San Antonio and Oklahoma 276 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:52,399 City just aren't going to be involved. And I would 277 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,759 agree for the most part. Houston's a little more interesting 278 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,000 now just because of the injuries to Steven Adams and 279 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,320 maybe Apern shan Gun, But that's not a reason gonna 280 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,440 blow up your entire team for Giannis San Antonio. If 281 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,519 you could get there without Castle and Harper being involved, sure, 282 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,159 like this is a real I haven't seen the Bulls 283 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,240 listed as a Yana suitor just there anywhere. 284 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,039 Speaker 3: Else they're not. 285 00:14:14,279 --> 00:14:16,519 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm look, I'm gonna write about this over 286 00:14:16,519 --> 00:14:19,279 at Yahoo Sports like this that that article is probably 287 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:23,200 gonna publish before this podcast. But basically that's the pitch 288 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,279 I'm gonna lay out. And I love the fact that 289 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,720 you win Super Scilllis And I haven't even mentioned Josh Gitty, 290 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,799 who's part of this, because I have this is what 291 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:32,279 is interesting to me. I have no idea what the 292 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,799 hell Josh Gitty's trade value is around the league. I 293 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:39,159 have no clue. I think it differs wildly amongst teams. 294 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:42,879 Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean his he had like an awesome 295 00:14:42,919 --> 00:14:45,399 start to the season and the Bowls since December fifteenth 296 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,879 have one of the league's best offenses. But during since 297 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:51,320 the turn of the calendar's shooting sub twenty percent from three, 298 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,320 Like he's cooled off a great deal. They've been slaughtered 299 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:57,440 with him on the floor during the stretches. Of course, 300 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,759 he's missed like a bunch of time too as well, 301 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:00,919 So you need to facture that in. 302 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I don't know what his trade. 303 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: Value would be. 304 00:15:06,279 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: I you could. I'm trying to remove myself from it. 305 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:14,279 Maybe you get like a whatever first round pick for him. 306 00:15:14,279 --> 00:15:16,279 I don't know what team is coming in and saying, 307 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,320 here's a good first round pick or here's two yeah, 308 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,240 first round picks. 309 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,879 Speaker 3: I agree with that, So, like, is it contract is toxic? Though? 310 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: Look uh, the entire thing you mapped out. Like, if 311 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,200 I'm Milwaukee, I think even more so than the war 312 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,279 I think the Warriors to me have the most compelling 313 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,480 offer right now. But I tend to over romanticize picks. 314 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,720 If you really like kurtleel Ware or Yakachonis, I understand 315 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,360 why you'd prefer Miami's. But like, if you're Milwaukee and 316 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:49,159 you don't have your own draft picks again until twenty thirty, 317 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:52,360 they're just having Josh Giddy there to maybe he's good 318 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,559 and boost his own trade value, or maybe he's kind 319 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:57,120 of semi interesting, or you turn into something until you 320 00:15:57,159 --> 00:15:58,080 get your. 321 00:15:57,919 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: First round picks back. 322 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:02,159 Speaker 1: I think that's at the very least, his contract is 323 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,000 far from toxic. So I just if you're Milwaukee, you 324 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:08,440 just take on that mind. I mean you Damian Lillard's 325 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,120 dead money on the books for forever anyway, like that, 326 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,240 you're not getting out of a post Giannis rebuild until 327 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:16,559 Damian Lillard's dead. 328 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:18,559 Speaker 2: Cap hit comes off the books regardless. 329 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: And so if you don't even want Josh Giddy for 330 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:22,600 three years after this one, but even then, it's like 331 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:24,720 it's so it's kind of short term. I know it's 332 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,879 a four year deal, but one of it's already gone. Basically, 333 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:31,159 I love this idea from Milwaukee's perspective. I don't think 334 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,039 I don't trust the Bulls to make the most of 335 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,000 having Giannis, but you're right if you wanna, you know, 336 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,519 it's the Bulls have shown some offensive signs and the 337 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:40,919 cardiac Bulls and all this stuff, some big crunch time 338 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,799 moments if you want a concrete direction, because right now, 339 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:48,080 like even when they're playing well, you kind of look 340 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,360 and say, well, Modus Bizillis hasn't been in a lot 341 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,240 of these high leverage crunch time minutes. It's like, so 342 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,320 what are we doing here? Like, who is the most 343 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,759 important player in this building right now? Kobe White is 344 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:01,200 available for trade and gonna be free agent. I would 345 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,879 assuming they prefer to keep him. I'm assuming because he's 346 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,480 cheaper and does more defensively for them. 347 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: Yiannis gives you a direction. 348 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:12,599 Speaker 1: I think it's an incredibly imperiled one because I mean, 349 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,880 if you want to test and see how badly players 350 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:17,960 want to sign extension, this is a good case study 351 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,319 because if I'm honest, I'm not signing an extension with 352 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:20,880 the Bulls. 353 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: Let's see how next season goes and then. 354 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:23,319 Speaker 3: We could talk. 355 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,039 Speaker 4: Well, see, that's the thing, because what if they then 356 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,880 get Austin Austin Reeves? I mean, I need it needs 357 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,799 to be noted, is a big part of this very. 358 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: Fantastical scenario, right, because. 359 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: He is probably the main guy free agency for me specifically, 360 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,960 if you look at it through the prism of getting Giannis, right, 361 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,599 I think that is the guy to like pair with 362 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,039 him and like the lead guard. 363 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:51,279 Speaker 1: Do you know what's tough about that, though, is do 364 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:54,480 you think the Lakers, like you, the Lakers are just 365 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:55,400 gonna max him out? 366 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,839 Speaker 3: Right? I just have trouble and vision him leaving. 367 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,319 Speaker 1: And that's what that's what gets dicey because then if 368 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,960 you make this trade, you kind of already had so 369 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:06,400 little in place, if you don't have any assets left 370 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,480 to trade, it's it's just Yannis and who Noah sen 371 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:12,359 Gay like I. 372 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 3: Lebron. That would be that would that would be so weird. 373 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't like to 374 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:26,119 like if we're talking about it, yeah. 375 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:27,279 Speaker 2: Because you just I guess it would depends. 376 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: I say, I like it for the Bucks, but I 377 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,359 need to know how many of Chicago's picks, okay, because 378 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,279 you need something left over to least trade for a 379 00:18:35,319 --> 00:18:39,640 lower end. Okay, we have if free agency doesn't pan 380 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,880 out or you're trying to sell Yannis on, well we'll 381 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,839 be able to do some real damage in twenty twenty 382 00:18:43,839 --> 00:18:45,319 seven free agency or something. 383 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 3: I mean, that's not far fatt you probably could. 384 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: Is he waiting that long? He's thirty one? That's the question. 385 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:54,119 That is the question. 386 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: It's all in all. 387 00:18:56,079 --> 00:18:58,319 Speaker 4: This is just to say this at least gives Chicago 388 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,880 a direction that is less rudderless than it has been 389 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,960 for years and years and years. But that's not gonna happen. 390 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,000 They're gonna trade for sa bonus and it's gonna be 391 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:12,519 immensely funny when Nikola Vusovic ends up in Sacramento alongside 392 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:17,759 Cyclovine and Tamarto Rosen, you know, Bull's West. It's gonna 393 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:20,240 be fantastic, but it's not gonna solve anything for the 394 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,160 Bulls because I'm a big fan of the bonus, but like, 395 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,440 let's be real, he's a center who doesn't you know, 396 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:31,640 protect the rim at at a great level. He's not 397 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,160 a three point shooter, so he's effectively a note the No. 398 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:36,960 Three center. He's fantastic as a playmaker, one of the 399 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:42,440 league's probably the league's best rebounder, super strong, fantastic on 400 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,839 the interior as a score. But like, you can't run 401 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,599 your entire offense through and you can't he can't be 402 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,440 the best player on your team, or you're pretty much screwed. 403 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:54,839 Speaker 3: You know what, would be hysterical. 404 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,799 Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to think of if you're gonna 405 00:19:57,799 --> 00:19:59,880 trade for for Giannis, I think part of the belief 406 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,160 need to be that if you can't get another big 407 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,559 name in free agency, that you can flesh out a 408 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,200 deep enough, impactful enough roster that Yannis as the only 409 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:14,200 top as the only All NBA level or All Star 410 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,119 level player on your team can do a ton of damage. 411 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,119 And now I'm almost I'm thinking, like a bunch of 412 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,079 steps ahead is would it be the worst thing in 413 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,480 the world if they're using some of their you know, 414 00:20:23,519 --> 00:20:25,799 you do not want to overpay, but christophs Porzingis is 415 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:27,359 a free agent that could be someone who's a good 416 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,880 fit next to you. Honest, they're gonna have they'll have 417 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,119 their own free agent guards. So do you bring do 418 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,119 you just consign yourself to bringing back Kobe White? Is 419 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,160 he part of the trade like with Milwaukee's ee value 420 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,400 in having him? And if not, okay, you have Iodis 421 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,039 soon mood Trey Jones might still be there. I'm trying 422 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:45,839 to think of guards that are on the free agency 423 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,400 market this year you're not gonna want like Quentin Grimes. 424 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: I was thinking about Quentin Grimes. 425 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:53,559 Speaker 1: Yep, that could be one, or like just again a 426 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:57,680 lower end solution, Anthony Simons, could you do something where 427 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:00,720 can you include enough picks? Or is the compation enough 428 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:03,519 to Milwaukee's looking at its roster and saying he only 429 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:06,079 has one year left on his deal before his player option? 430 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:08,640 Can you get Ryan Rollins as well as part of that? 431 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,640 There there are things that could you You could also 432 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,599 do this. I'm not an advocate. I hate the fit, 433 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,759 but if they're really one of these teams are so 434 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:20,519 out on one of these other expensive names or bigger names, 435 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:22,680 like could you just turn around and trade for jaw 436 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,680 or Karl Anthony Towns at that point, So you could 437 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,880 do mort I love this, I love it? 438 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: Do it? Do it? 439 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:36,559 Speaker 1: Excellent idea by you question to them, you actually this 440 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:37,680 dovetails nicely. 441 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,759 Speaker 2: How important? 442 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: So let's remove the Giannist thing from the equation. We 443 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,480 agree that they should be trying to get assets some 444 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:48,759 other way, not consolidating into anyone. But be honest, how 445 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,519 much should they be prioritizing their cap space this summer? 446 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 3: Though? In anything that they do. 447 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 4: It's difficult because again this summer specifically, you know, you 448 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:01,279 have so much any of these players coming in on 449 00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:04,480 player options where they can dictate their own future, so 450 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:06,799 that you don't know, you know, Trey Young, is he 451 00:22:06,839 --> 00:22:08,799 going to be an unrestrict free agent? Is he going 452 00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:11,799 to you know, pick up the forty nine million dollar 453 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,440 player option and stay with Washington? Like, there are just 454 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,559 so many unknowns. So I would probably if I were them, 455 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,440 I would look at twenty seven instead to gain more control. 456 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,960 But at the same time, man, this is the thing. 457 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,759 If you plan ahead, you know for a year and 458 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:30,839 a half, you also just know that this league moves quickly, 459 00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:33,240 So you can sit there and say, oh, I'm planning 460 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,200 for twenty seven and then come trade headline in twenty seven, 461 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,519 you have everyone size extensions and like the guys goes 462 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,559 goes down with injuries and like all of a sudden, 463 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,480 like the best player you can go get in twenty 464 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,559 seven is like CJ McCollum, I don't know, like somewhere 465 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,000 like CJ catching straights there. I'm sorry, CJ, but like 466 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,359 you know what I mean, it's that's just not good enough. 467 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,599 So I it really comes down to he's there a 468 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,000 player or maybe two players, because the Bulls can have 469 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:06,200 oodles of cap space this summer, where you say this 470 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:07,359 is going to elevate this. 471 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,079 Speaker 3: Better than the players that we have on the expiring contracts. 472 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the right way to approach it. 473 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,079 If you're the Bulls, do you view is Austin Reeves 474 00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:21,480 a target for you almost regardless of what they do 475 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:22,119 at the deadline? 476 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he should be. He should be. 477 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,799 Speaker 4: And again that's also because I don't trust the Josh 478 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:31,279 Giddy experiment because I think Reeves, I think is so 479 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,160 much better in terms of like creating gravity. He's not 480 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,680 he's not a super strong off ball shooter, but he 481 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:42,240 is good enough to the point where defenses bend a 482 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:45,599 ton on him, and then he's just a more natural score. 483 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,960 I mean, I gotta give him this. He's phenomenal in 484 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000 that regard. Like he'll come in and he'll take and 485 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:54,119 make a lot of pull ups in the mid range area, 486 00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:56,440 Like he'll play a lot of pick and roll basketball, 487 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,519 Like his whole body doesn't have to contort when he 488 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,960 takes a jump shot, like Josh Giddy, Like he is 489 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,119 a more natural fit in Like however we slice it, 490 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,480 is he as good a rebounder and playmaker? No, that 491 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:10,680 is what you lose. Josh Giddy will have him beat 492 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,839 in those departments. But in terms of like just the 493 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,240 scoring punch, he could come into the Bulls and average 494 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:22,240 twenty eight per game, probably fairly easily and efficiently as well. 495 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,759 So it comes down to if you get that guy in, 496 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,480 who are you going to align him with? Is that 497 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:30,640 going to be a Kobe White? Is that going to 498 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,039 be a weird backcourt? Is it going to be Bussilis 499 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,960 who you think as your secondary guy? Like, there are 500 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,240 a lot of possible names to come up with that way, 501 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:44,200 but Austin Reeves to me is absolutely someone if I'm 502 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,599 the Bulls I'm looking at this offseason. 503 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: Yes, So let's go through two of their biggest names 504 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:53,119 that people expect to maybe be on the move. 505 00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: What should it take to move Kobe White if you're 506 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:57,640 the Bulls. 507 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, the Bulls can't really dictate terms on this one. 508 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,079 They painted themselves into a corner. They had Kobe White 509 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,119 for a while, They had him on a three year 510 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,079 contract that was so below far market value. 511 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,559 Speaker 3: And they never utilized him. 512 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 4: Now teams trading for him will get one play or 513 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,680 not one playoff series, one playoff year of him at 514 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,680 best before he's an unrestricted free agent this summer, so 515 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,720 like his value is gone. There was a point when 516 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,559 he had, you know, two playoff years left on his 517 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,359 deal where you could realistically expect the Bulls to actually 518 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,079 fetch a quality return like one or two maybe even yeah, 519 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,559 maybe even two unprotected first rounders because he was that 520 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,920 good in terms of being implemented. You know, you had 521 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,400 the financial security for a while with him where he 522 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:51,000 was very cost controlled. That's out the window. Now he's 523 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,960 an unrestricted free agent and the word is out. He's 524 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240 good and he's someone who you can plug and play 525 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,559 to a great extent. Because he plays in Chicago. I 526 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,599 don't think people really watch him a hold ton. He is, 527 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,119 in my perspective, pretty underrated, just in terms of how 528 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,599 you can implement him scoring wise, Like, yeah, he's not 529 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,319 a great defender. I'm not going to sit here and 530 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:14,680 say that. You know, he's He's someone who dictates the 531 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,440 flow of a game milk. Defensively, he's a decent passer, 532 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,720 he's a decent ball handler. He's a quality rebounder for 533 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:24,480 his position, by the way, but his major strength is 534 00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:28,839 just finding ways to be a major offensive influence. He 535 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,680 can play off of ball dominant guys. He can also 536 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:34,440 handle the ball himself and create for himself. 537 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,039 Speaker 3: So like, I'm. 538 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,279 Speaker 4: Looking at good teams that might have a chance to 539 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,880 go out and get him and then say, fine, well 540 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,400 we only have to match like twelve point nine million 541 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,000 this right now, that's peanuts, and then we can try 542 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,440 to resign him in the summer. 543 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,319 Speaker 1: Do you think they get a first round pick for 544 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,799 him or do you require a first round Let's just 545 00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,359 as an example, is just the team the Clippers. 546 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: Let's say they put their two sets round picks. 547 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:02,279 Speaker 1: I think they have them in twenty thirty one and 548 00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:05,759 twenty thirty two on the table and it's salary matching. Yeah, 549 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:07,640 do they need to get more than that if they're 550 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,920 gonna move Kobe White. 551 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 4: If I'm the Bulls, I'll obviously prefer to get more. 552 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,480 But is that deal out there? I mean again, what 553 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:15,839 you really have to do with you the Bulls? You 554 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,960 have to create a bidding warp between the contenters. If 555 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,039 you ask me, like the Bulls know that they messed up? 556 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,039 I think I have to assume because if we know, 557 00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:28,759 they better Dan well know. So the only way to 558 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:31,440 create like a lucrative market for Kobe White is to 559 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,039 basically go to every contenter imaginable and say, hey, you 560 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,079 only have to match twelve point nine million to get 561 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,720 a guy who can come in and be either a 562 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:44,960 starting guard for you or a very explosive six man 563 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,440 which could help you go into the playoffs on a 564 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,400 high note. That is the play they have, and if 565 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,440 that's the play that they're going to utilize, which I 566 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:54,480 really hope for their sake instead of just letting him 567 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,920 expire and cross their fingers and hope for magic, it's yeah, 568 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,319 I think you can get a first. 569 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 3: Would you do so? 570 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,079 Speaker 1: Teams like a team that doesn't have a first though 571 00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,839 that's been linked to him as Minnesota. Is the structure 572 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,839 of Dillingham and Tarren Shannon enough salarywise, you would need 573 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,640 another player in there. Or it could be Mike Conley 574 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,119 and Tarren Shannon Jr. Or is that too little? 575 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 4: I personally think that's too little, But I mean it's 576 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,960 the Bulls, so who knows. 577 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,599 Speaker 3: The other one that would be? 578 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,799 Speaker 1: I feel like could be interesting and it would probably 579 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:31,559 take a third team. But let's just say they can 580 00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:34,920 get the Celtics out of the tax because they have 581 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,039 all that room beneath the tacks themselves. If Boston's putting 582 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,200 its twenty six first on the table with Anthony Simons 583 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,200 and then you have to you're trading White and then 584 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:46,920 like maybe you're sending it's part of a three. Maybe 585 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,480 you're sending to Sumo elsewhere because some assumed team plenty 586 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,480 of teams will want him. 587 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,319 Speaker 3: Do you do something? Is that? Is that enough? 588 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,799 Speaker 1: So basically Boston's twenty twenty six first round pick for 589 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,000 Kobe White and Simons is really the structure right? 590 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 3: Yes? 591 00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean that is at least interesting. I think 592 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,960 that is a real first I mean not in terms 593 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,160 of like, you know, it's not gonna be high because 594 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,680 Boston has surprised us all this year. But if it's 595 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,680 unprotected and you know it's gonna convey, yeah, absolutely, But 596 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,920 can they let me just make sure? Can they trade 597 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400 that right now? Because oh, they have their twenty seven 598 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:20,799 as well? 599 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:21,519 Speaker 3: All right? Cool? 600 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,079 Speaker 4: I thought for some reason that there was some some 601 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,799 pick protection there. No, that's an outright I wonder. 602 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: If Boston would do that because it would be easy 603 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,359 to find, like, because Chicago can't just give White for 604 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,519 Simon's straight up, but they could do. They need another 605 00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:36,720 like seven million bucks out going, which is right in 606 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,000 dessous Mu's wheelhouse. 607 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:39,119 Speaker 3: I'm sure teams would want. 608 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they just have all these other expires. It 609 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,960 could be part of a bigger deal where they're taking 610 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,319 back money. So that doesn't that almost feel like the 611 00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:50,000 ceiling on the White value though at this point is 612 00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:53,200 they got a first round pick that's gonna convey in 613 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,200 the twenties. That's what it feels like to me. 614 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:57,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, So where's Boston right now? 615 00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 4: They're projected to twenty four, so that's probably going to 616 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,240 be between twenty five because I assume White is going 617 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:05,920 to make them better, So that's probably going to be 618 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,880 twenty five to twenty seven presumable. It's look, if you 619 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,200 look at the entire evolution of Kobe white is then 620 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,920 is it then a total loss in terms of getting 621 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,920 him when he was what the seventh overall pick and 622 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,880 he's been a very good player for them over the 623 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,799 course of his career. They were, Yeah, but I mean, 624 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,119 this is the situation they found themselves in. They could 625 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,480 have traded him for a freakin' haul. 626 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: A year get to It's like the extension rules aren't 627 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,680 news today, right, so they could have You're right, they 628 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,319 should have traded him when he was at the peak 629 00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:35,559 of it. 630 00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:38,559 Speaker 2: They could have gotten after the first season of that deal. 631 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: Is when everyone started talking about or even at last 632 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,640 year's trade deadline, it felt like they could have gotten 633 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,599 real stuff for him. 634 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: They could get it. They could. 635 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,039 Speaker 4: I mean, I've heard through the grape Wine that they 636 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,880 had some real offers for him last trade deadline, where 637 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,119 I was pretty surprised that they didn't. You pull the trigger, 638 00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:59,119 But again it's because it was apparently picks oriented, and 639 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:04,200 the Bulls have it's historically been very very not anti 640 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,720 draft picks, but they're just not that interested in going 641 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,559 the draft route, which is lunacy. But that's also why, 642 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,480 like I flipped it on his head with the honest idea, 643 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,519 because like, all right, if you don't care about draft picks, 644 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,680 then it shouldn't cost you anything to go in for 645 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,559 like a top three player in the NBA. 646 00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:23,039 Speaker 1: I heard they didn't get any real offers for Kobe White, 647 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,599 and they never got real offers for Alex Caruso and all. 648 00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:29,119 This is just an agenda driven against the Chicago Bulls, 649 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,079 who are victims of the hashtag media final player? 650 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: What would it take you to move? Io? To soon move? 651 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,480 It does seem like they're more interested in keeping him. 652 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,599 Speaker 1: They're big on the oh, he like the Illinois ties, 653 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,319 the Chicago ties. I think if you could get he's 654 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:47,480 such a good player, but because of his free agency, 655 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,599 you're not getting a first for him, if you can 656 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,079 get two seconds for him, or if you're getting a 657 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:56,319 first because you're taking back bad money. Sure, I mean, 658 00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:58,680 like even this doesn't get Boston out of attacks. But 659 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,319 if Boston said, hey, and Frey Simon's our first round 660 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:06,000 pick and a second round pick for I own Kobe White, 661 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:07,839 I don't know like how much like are you doing 662 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:08,640 that if you're Chicago? 663 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:09,519 Speaker 3: Is that not enough? 664 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,119 Speaker 4: If I'm the Bulls and I know the fact that 665 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,240 Iola Assumer wants to resign. He's also said as much recently. 666 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,799 I am doing everything in my power in not including 667 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,640 him in the honesteel first and foremost, and I am 668 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440 doing everything I can to go into free agency and saying, hell, hey, 669 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,319 look this works like you're a Chicago guy, We're giving 670 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:34,279 you minutes, We've you reaching a new pinnacle in your career. 671 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,680 I would do whatever it's necessary there. What's interesting to 672 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,640 me is and that this is something I need to 673 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,559 look into, because admittedly I just haven't what the hell 674 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,519 is his cap hole for this summer set that's like 675 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,039 fourteen point three million or something. 676 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: I think it's under fifteen or isn't it under fourteen? 677 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:55,079 Speaker 4: It's around there, which just makes it so much easier 678 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,759 if you go, like if you're Chicago and you actually 679 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,279 go out and find it an expensive player and then 680 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,400 still resign him afterwards, Like even the afore mentioned Gianna scenario, 681 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,559 you could probably still go out and get it, get 682 00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:13,440 another guy, and then resigned Iotosumu. At the same time, 683 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,240 it's like you you will have to relinquish some guys, 684 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,920 and like the big issue here is Patrick Williams in 685 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,799 that contract, Like if you could ever get off with that, 686 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:23,720 you cans that is that. 687 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: Is, could you get off of that in the Yiannis 688 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,920 deal if you're including enough stuff and the Bucks are 689 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,200 just like on whatever timeline is it, like Patrick Williams. 690 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:34,759 Imagine Patrick Williams and Josh Giddy or just the matching 691 00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:39,240 salary and the Bulls have traded three three first three swaps. 692 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 3: And models adream scenario. 693 00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 4: Like for the Bulls, if that if look, if they can, 694 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:47,119 if they can pull this off not giving up any 695 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,839 expiring deals, they would be in the most advantagious position 696 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,400 they've probably ever been in. Besides the Jordan heres going 697 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,319 into free agency like that, that'd be ridiculous. So you're 698 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:03,079 getting off like what twenty no, forty five, forty three 699 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,519 million in addition to the sixty million they could probably get. 700 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,119 Speaker 1: Right and to be the Josh Giddy thing just doesn't 701 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,360 feel like it would be a deal breaker from Milwaukee 702 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,679 because that contract is fine. The Patrick Williams of it 703 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,119 all is just that thing's got another three years left 704 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:17,360 on it. 705 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there's probably easier to get 706 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,320 off of Isaac Corro if anything, because it's it's just 707 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,480 shorter and smaller. 708 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, that could could you could basically view if you 709 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,800 can get off Isaaca Corro, you could view that almost 710 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,239 as the Iodasumu cap. 711 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 4: Hold rightly close to it exactly. So my entire point 712 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,639 is this, as we're wrapping up Dan is, if this 713 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:44,239 team was run in a manner of you know, competence, 714 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:49,119 and if ownership and the front office had just one 715 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:54,719 milligram of creativity in their brains, this could actually be 716 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,400 a highly interesting situation going into the trade deadline? 717 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,079 Speaker 2: Do you view that is having a tent pole? 718 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 3: For sure? 719 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: But if you're looking at where the roster's at now, 720 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,960 what do you view as their big If they were 721 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,599 to take a flyer on a let's say, a distressed 722 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:13,360 asset or a young player, right, where would you want 723 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,639 that to come from? 724 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,519 Speaker 4: So I've been very high on the vouch for a 725 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,719 kuminga idea which you know hasn't been bandied about as 726 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,280 much recently, but that that is like I think one 727 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,000 of their biggest things, just more youth, more athleticism. There, 728 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,519 you know, they finally hit one, right, in Sailors for example. 729 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,760 They they are a little bit younger now than they 730 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,440 were a couple of years ago where they were leaning 731 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:44,000 into like the current you know do they went timeline 732 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,280 with Drosen and Cyclovino with those guys, So just getting 733 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,039 younger I think is a major priority for them. Vouch 734 00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,559 who's actually done fairly well and it's been consistent and 735 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,039 available all throughout. I don't think that's necessarily a bad 736 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:03,679 deal for either team, like this the Warriors, even they 737 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,840 what they take on, less money on top of it, 738 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,199 and they get a guy in who I assume Steve 739 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,039 Kerr would trust more and who would help them spacing wise, 740 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,519 Like that's a deal I wouldn't hate. That is the 741 00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:19,079 type of need that I think they have. Just get younger, 742 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:19,960 get better. 743 00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it would be cooler to see 744 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,599 they do need a big man of the future, but 745 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,119 I would like to see it like a Kaminga's like 746 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,440 a combo forward wing player. I know they have Boozellis, 747 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,039 but I'd like to see them have another younger one 748 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:40,199 of those I don't like. Noah sang Gay Okay, he's there. Yeah, 749 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,280 I think that's right. I thought the two names that 750 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,559 I thought about is I don't know what the cost 751 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:47,400 would be, but he's just had such a checkered health 752 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,440 built throughout his career. Derek Lively the second, if he 753 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:52,880 was available, I don't know what it would cost to 754 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,639 get him from Dallas, but to just get him in 755 00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:56,199 your program and oh hey, hey, maybe we have a 756 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,920 center And the other one I thought about it seems 757 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,599 like they might be more inclined to pay him and 758 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,119 Christian Brown at this point, even though they already paid 759 00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,760 Christian Brown. But what do you have to do if 760 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,760 Denver's so scared about what Peyton Watson is gonna get? 761 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,960 Peyton Watson be really interesting here too, And if you could, yes, 762 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,199 you take on the Nause deal, which I know people 763 00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:15,880 are joking, doesn't look that bad anymore. 764 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 2: You could send them Io. 765 00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:20,679 Speaker 1: There are crazy complicated structures where they could get Io 766 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,840 and Kobe White. Or do you just entice them with hey, 767 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,760 that Blazer's pick, Like, would you give up the Blazer's 768 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,199 pick to have Peyton Watson? 769 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 3: I wouldn't. 770 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,079 Speaker 1: I know he's gonna be a restricted free agent, Ah yeah, 771 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,480 but I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule that out if it 772 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:36,320 was available. I mean you're just flirting with me right 773 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,079 now by suggesting Iodol Sumo and Denver because that is 774 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,960 like my preferred destination for Io that I've been I've 775 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,679 been thinking about this for like nine hundred days straight. 776 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,639 How to get Iodo Sumo to the Denver Nuggets. Could 777 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,159 you just imagine having his floor presence the point of 778 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:56,360 attack defense? This just the smart decisions him playing off 779 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,840 of Nicola Jokic, Jamal Murray and like be either if 780 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,559 whether he's coming off the bench or you're starting in 781 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,599 a pinch, this guy is just Taylor made to play 782 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:11,559 with Nikola jokicch would So let's assume Peyton Watson is 783 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:14,360 not on the table. If you got Denver. If Denver 784 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,079 gives you a first round swap and it's twenty thirty 785 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,880 two second round pick, do you consider and you know 786 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,559 the money you're gonna have to take back in that deal, 787 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:23,239 do you consider it? 788 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,639 Speaker 2: Or is that not enough for Chicago to bite. 789 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,639 Speaker 3: When it's the swap? That's my question. 790 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,199 Speaker 1: Uh, the swap I think can be into It can 791 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,920 go as late as two thousand and thirty one, so 792 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,719 it could be. That's probably the one that's interesting, right 793 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,920 because they already traded their twenty thirty two first, Yeah. 794 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 4: So it's a Brooklyn but like that's to me, it's 795 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,280 interesting because then you're so far out where what's the 796 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,840 deal in Denver at that point in time? Is Yokich 797 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,679 still there? Is he still as good? Like he probably is? 798 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,559 But like that's at least a so, yeah, you could swapce. 799 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,679 You could swap with Denver in twenty eight thirty and 800 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,280 thirty one. A right, give me thirty one, give me, 801 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,400 give me the furthest out. 802 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: You can't, so you would, but if that because you're 803 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,280 taking back Zeke Nagy as part, like that's one. 804 00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:19,039 Speaker 3: Four year, two two more years after this one, okay. 805 00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:21,599 Speaker 1: So a swap and that second and does what is 806 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,039 Denver's Do they have another second they could throw in there? 807 00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:24,639 Speaker 3: No they do not. 808 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 4: So oh but you know what the sikh Nase contract 809 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,920 that it's that is declining in value. So that's not 810 00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,000 too bad. It's going to go down to like seven 811 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,320 and a half the next two years, right. 812 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: His, I mean it's it's super cheap relative to the 813 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,880 percentage of a cat the cat, right, yeah, for sure, Like. 814 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,119 Speaker 3: That wouldn't that wouldn't bother me. I can live with that. 815 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: If I'm the Bulls, I wonder do the Nuggets live 816 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,000 with that? Zek Nagi has been he's been playing a 817 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,920 lot of them at the injuries, not hitting threes. 818 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 4: But but if they're getting I had to assum back, 819 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,400 like at some point I get that there's still gonna 820 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,599 be a position on need because of Yo kitchen everything, 821 00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:04,239 but like it, that's a talent upgrade immediately. 822 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, if you're not giving up Peyton Watson, 823 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,679 that's just insane. I don't envision the Nuggets paying both 824 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,920 of them, but that would be an insane And also, 825 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,760 as we're recording this, Aaron Gordon's going to be out 826 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,599 four to six weeks at least again, so you could 827 00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:18,280 use any. 828 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 3: Real help start. I will do some more power forward. 829 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,119 It's fine, It is fine. What makes trading Zeke Naugy 830 00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:27,039 a little more painful? Right? Yeah? Yeah, it will absolutely. 831 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 2: Do you have anything else on this team? 832 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,679 Speaker 1: Or or can you tell the audience members where they 833 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,199 can find you in all the great work that you do? 834 00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 4: Ye, well, thank you for that. You can find me 835 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,559 over at Yahoo Sports. You can find me at the 836 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:42,800 NBA podcast. If you speak Danish or understand Danish You 837 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,960 can follow me on buzzer Beater at Danish podcast, or 838 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,760 you can catch me calling games. 839 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 3: On HBO and Max. 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