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<v Speaker 1>Tessy around. This is the seventy seven w ABC Mini cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Siegel, thank you so much for joining us. I

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<v Speaker 2>have so many questions. I want to start by bringing

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<v Speaker 2>up Rand Paul. He dropped over a thousand pages of

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Fauci's private notes, and suddenly, out of nowhere we

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<v Speaker 2>all see the doubts that he hid behind closed doors

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<v Speaker 2>on NASK school closure and the m RNA. Now right

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<v Speaker 2>before he pled the fifth it was one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eleven times on the hill. I mean, if the guy

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<v Speaker 2>running the narrative didn't even buy his own unanimous consensus,

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<v Speaker 2>why should the American public I view him?

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<v Speaker 1>I view this a little differently, I don't. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to look at it from the from the

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<v Speaker 1>perspective of who doctor Fauci is, who I knew him

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<v Speaker 1>to be, what his goal might have been, and what

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<v Speaker 1>he might have done differently, and not so interested in

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<v Speaker 1>number of things that are released or disclosed or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, I don't like witch hunts. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the question is regarding COVID origins. After two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and three, doctor Fauci was part of an effort

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<v Speaker 1>to build a global consortium of scientists that felt they

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<v Speaker 1>could trust each other in order to pursue viral research

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<v Speaker 1>because he didn't like what happened with Sarswan. We're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to hit everything, and he felt he could trust these

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<v Speaker 1>scientists and they worked internationally. Ralph Barish here in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States worked with Shi Jing Lee and the Wu

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt Institute of Virology. The Wu Hunt Institute of Virology

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<v Speaker 1>had multiple as multiple labs, but at the onset of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the pandemic, I asked some basic questions and

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't alone, but I and I wouldn't say that

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Fauci sidelined me because I had access to him

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<v Speaker 1>and I interviewed him multiple times. But I asked a question,

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<v Speaker 1>why isn't China allowing CDC boots on the ground In

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<v Speaker 1>January of twenty twenty, and Robert Redfield, the CDC director,

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<v Speaker 1>asked the same question, why can't I get in there?

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<v Speaker 1>And nobody really got in there? And the narrative that

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<v Speaker 1>was sold that this virus came from the Wuhan wet

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<v Speaker 1>market never really held much water because if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at if you actually look at the wet market, it

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<v Speaker 1>isn't some kind of zoological thing, you know, like some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of third world thing. It's actually in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of a city, and it's not a likely place for

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of event to occur, Whereas the Wuhan Institute

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<v Speaker 1>of Virology, with all of its safety violations, is busy

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<v Speaker 1>studying back coronaviruses, and so I'm not surprised to see

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<v Speaker 1>that doctor Fauci was asking the same questions at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the pandemic. But what I'm concerned about is

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility that, since he had helped to build that

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<v Speaker 1>consortium of sciences, maybe he was too willing to trust

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<v Speaker 1>them when you consider that some of them are under

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<v Speaker 1>the direct supervision of the Chinese Communist Party. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, George Gatto, the CDC director in China,

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<v Speaker 1>the World Health Organization, who I've come to know better

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<v Speaker 1>in recent months at the time, had as the lead

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<v Speaker 1>of emerging infectious diseases, someone that had been a Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>Party official for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet doctor, We're all told to take the vaccination.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I didn't mind. I was told, I was

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<v Speaker 2>given assurances. I rolled up my sleeve, my wife, my children,

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<v Speaker 2>my family, my friends. We rolled up our sleeves. And

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<v Speaker 2>what we did was we accepted the narrative to be

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<v Speaker 2>true and honest. Now I'm just curious to know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what it is I have in my body. That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying he's a good guy. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>he's a bad guy. I'm just saying that what he

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<v Speaker 2>said publicly is what's now come out in these documents

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be very different.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's switch tears now of the Ron Johnson thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What I was talking about was Ran Paul. Now Ron

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson is looking at the issue of the COVID vaccine.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my view on that. To answer your question, doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Fauci has a lane that he's an expert at. His

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<v Speaker 1>lane is immunology, in vaccinology. His lane is not lockdowns,

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<v Speaker 1>His lane is not school closures, his lane is not masks,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not ventilation. So he gave a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>advice about things that are outside his usual lane. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not an epidemiologist, he's not a public health specialist. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a virologist, an immunologist, and a vaccine expert. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>much more interested in what he had to say about

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<v Speaker 1>the vaccine. And I interviewed him about the vaccine way

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<v Speaker 1>before it ever came out in March of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, at best, it's going to be as

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<v Speaker 1>good as a flu shot. But when it actually came out,

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<v Speaker 1>it look from the early trials that it was ninety

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<v Speaker 1>to ninety five percent effective at preventing spread, and Israel

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to have the same response with that. It causes

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of local reaction, and it's been given to many, many,

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<v Speaker 1>many millions of people around the world, and there are

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<v Speaker 1>some concerns I have about it, but overall I happen

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<v Speaker 1>to think it's safer than COVID. And so if you

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the early days when President Trump actually

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<v Speaker 1>came up with Operation Warp Speed and got this vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>out there, you know within nine months after the pandemic started.

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<v Speaker 1>He allowed us the ability to create a blanket of

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<v Speaker 1>immunity towards COVID that I believe to this day you

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<v Speaker 1>get with less expense in quotes expense than COVID itself.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, we worry about myocarditis from this vaccine, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're ten times more likely to get it from COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>and COVID risk of myocardia his decreases with the vaccine.

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<v Speaker 1>The vaccine decreases your risk from COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>But all I wish, then, doctor, is that he would

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<v Speaker 2>have not played the fifth one hundred and eleven times.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have given us the But you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>bring up something interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really good attorney, Michael, And I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 1>said that, because I have that same feeling I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree with that. I want him to participate

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<v Speaker 1>in a public dialogue here what the hell happened, what

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<v Speaker 1>he knew about and and how and how he changed

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<v Speaker 1>his mind or didn't, because the point that you were

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<v Speaker 1>getting to was the issue of miscarriage. And what happened

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<v Speaker 1>is that initially studies didn't show a correlation with miscarriage

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<v Speaker 1>and the COVID vaccine. At the time that the COVID

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<v Speaker 1>vaccine was no longer effective at preventing spread to the

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<v Speaker 1>same extent, and it was still an emergency use authorization,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were still using it to decrease severity and

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<v Speaker 1>prevent hospitalizations, and pregnant women at being at particular risk

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<v Speaker 1>because they're immunal compromise, and we might have wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>make an argument to give them the vac A study

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<v Speaker 1>came out that appeared to show an increased miscarriage risk

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<v Speaker 1>I knew about it. He knew about it, it was published,

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<v Speaker 1>it was public information. The idea that he was debating

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<v Speaker 1>whether this was something he should speak to the public

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<v Speaker 1>or not or keep from the public's attention is very

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing to me. I don't think that public officials should

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about what the public should know and what

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<v Speaker 1>they shouldn't know. That's problematic. I do think the decision

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<v Speaker 1>about whether to take a vaccine should be between you

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<v Speaker 1>and your obstetrician, or you and your physician, not you

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<v Speaker 1>and a public health official who doesn't practice medicine necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>Later studies appear to show that that vaccine does not

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<v Speaker 1>cause miscarriages, but at the time there was a real

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<v Speaker 1>question about that, and that question should not have been

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<v Speaker 1>submerged any more than the other question about where COVID

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<v Speaker 1>came from. If we're not knowing what the hell we're

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<v Speaker 1>being hit with here, and we're being hit with an avalanche,

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<v Speaker 1>we need full disclosure. We don't need bait and switch,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need to be managed as there were children.

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<v Speaker 2>So doctor, you brought up that Trump was actually the

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<v Speaker 2>one that created the movement for the vaccination through operation

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<v Speaker 2>warp speed. Well, just the other day the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 2>put out in executive order and it's made people apoplectic

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<v Speaker 2>in it where people are now claiming that it bans

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<v Speaker 2>childhood vaccines. It does not. In fact, what it does

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<v Speaker 2>is it restructures the timeline. It breaks up the combination

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<v Speaker 2>shots like the MMn R, and it spreads them over

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<v Speaker 2>multiple visits to lower the single day biological load, bringing

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<v Speaker 2>the United States in fact, closer to the way Europe

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<v Speaker 2>does it, to the European standard. So the question this again,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's all sorts of claims that it's now causing

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<v Speaker 2>that these large quantities of the vaccination causing things like autism.

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<v Speaker 2>The question I want to ask you is why has

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<v Speaker 2>the establishment media intentionally conflated spacing out doses for safety

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<v Speaker 2>and parental choice with anti vaccine extremism, And why do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that they're so damn afraid of parents literally

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<v Speaker 2>asking for a modified schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a mouthful. Here's my answer, and it's not exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what you expect me to say. President Trump said two

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<v Speaker 1>things that I agree with that are scientifically correct in

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<v Speaker 1>the press conference on Monday. One is he said that

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<v Speaker 1>parents should be given the right to space out vaccines

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<v Speaker 1>as he did with his children. I mean, look how

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<v Speaker 1>smart they turned out. And I think my personal favorites Ivanka,

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<v Speaker 1>but they turned out amazingly. And the other point he

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<v Speaker 1>made was bundling vaccines can lead to more fevers. He's

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<v Speaker 1>actually right about that. That's scientifically correct. The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>that he didn't say that I would add is that

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<v Speaker 1>we're and you just hinted at this, is that we're

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<v Speaker 1>at a time of great distrust and consternation and people

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<v Speaker 1>feeling ambushed or maybe beat over the head coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of the pandemic. So that we want to have parents

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<v Speaker 1>feel more comfortable. Here's the way to do that. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you some science, Michael, some of which you're not expecting. One,

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<v Speaker 1>the MMR vaccine has been studied versus no vaccine no

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<v Speaker 1>vaccine in six hundred and fifty thousand Danish children, and

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<v Speaker 1>there is not an increased risk of autism. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that autism occurs in the womb. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 1>it occurs from childhood vaccines. I think the President's right

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<v Speaker 1>that the increase that we're seeing in the world right

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<v Speaker 1>now is enormous and it's not something to be ignored,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's environmentally induced in addition to genetic predisposition.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm more worried about organophosphates than I am worried

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<v Speaker 1>about vaccines early childhood vacases. Having said that, I also

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<v Speaker 1>think the MMR vaccine is probably one I wouldn't decouple

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<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't have an increased risk of fever or

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<v Speaker 1>side effects, and it's a way to do it efficiently.

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<v Speaker 1>But I might not give it with another six shots,

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<v Speaker 1>to his point, and I wouldn't give it with vericella.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he probably was referring to, because the studies

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<v Speaker 1>show that the MMR vaccine plus varicella the v MMR

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<v Speaker 1>V doubles your risk of fever, increases your risk of

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<v Speaker 1>febril seizures. And I don't want my kid having a

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<v Speaker 1>febrill seizure, So the decoupling of verseella makes a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sense. I think MMR is fine, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>some of these other vaccines should be spaced out. And

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, Michael, parents are all coming to me saying,

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<v Speaker 1>can I delay a bit? Can I delay a bit?

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<v Speaker 1>And you don't want a pediatrician who's rigid. You want

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<v Speaker 1>a pediatrician who works with you, who works with your

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<v Speaker 1>comfort zone, who works with information. I said to one

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<v Speaker 1>of the top vaccine experts in the world the other

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<v Speaker 1>day on the radio. She's in Australia. I said, what

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<v Speaker 1>about community immunity and she said, forget that word. People

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<v Speaker 1>now want to talk about their own child, their own risk,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how you speak to them the way I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing it right now with you. So it's not about

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<v Speaker 1>community immunity has some value. It's how we stamped out months.

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<v Speaker 1>It's how we stamped out rubella in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>It's how we stamped out polio. But we're at a

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<v Speaker 1>stage where there's a lot of public distrust and the

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<v Speaker 1>way to battle it is with one on one mana

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<v Speaker 1>amana in the examination REU pediatrician and pairent.

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<v Speaker 2>See. I'm not saying that the research proves that these

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<v Speaker 2>vaccines cause autism. In fact, I've done some research onto

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<v Speaker 2>it because sadly I have friends who have children who

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<v Speaker 2>are severely autistic, and they're very much involved with things

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<v Speaker 2>like Autism Speaks, So I've done quite a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>reading onto it. My understanding is it has to do

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<v Speaker 2>with some mutation in the male sperm that ends up

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<v Speaker 2>causing it because we're seeing older men having children, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they believe. It has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the MM and R or.

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<v Speaker 1>The exactly exact.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I am saying, though, is that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with Trump in this, we still don't have enough information.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know enough about what's driving the rise in autism.

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<v Speaker 2>So my question, he's one hundred percent right. So the

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<v Speaker 2>question that I'm asking someone like yourself, a seasoned doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the harm in conducting more research, including looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the vaccine timing, rather than just shutting the door

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<v Speaker 2>on questions that we haven't fully answered.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to look at the vaccine timing over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be done all the time. And but the

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<v Speaker 1>endpoint may not be autism. It may be something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it may be ADHD. Who knows what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but whatever it is, we should be looking at what

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<v Speaker 1>we put in our children's bodies and we should be

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<v Speaker 1>studying it. And we shouldn't just accept answers from decades ago. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason I asked these questions, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why the audience is so interested in this

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<v Speaker 2>is that every single major network, especially the left leaning

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<v Speaker 2>ones like the CNN and the MS. Now, every single

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<v Speaker 2>one of these news panels, they reacted to the childhood

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<v Speaker 2>vaccine schedule change with like this. I don't know this

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<v Speaker 2>breathless claim that the administration is endangering children. Is this

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<v Speaker 2>outrage genuinely about pediatric health? Or is it about protecting

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<v Speaker 2>a trillion dollar pharmaceutical model that is built on forced mandates,

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<v Speaker 2>liability shields, and rigid one size fits all schedules.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answer to that. That's more in

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<v Speaker 1>your lane. I'm interested in fear on both sides of

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<v Speaker 1>the equation. I don't want parents and to be afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of life saving or life protecting vaccines, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want them to feel bully either. So so yeah, industry

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<v Speaker 1>always goes to the heart of this. It's always about money,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it. But I also have to say Pfizer has

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<v Speaker 1>done a lot of great work in the world, So

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<v Speaker 1>it depends, you know, it's both both are true at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, doctor, I want to thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for joining me on when you know, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people actually really want to know. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a great interviewer.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me, appreciate you