WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:34.920 Welcome to the great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:38.280 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.719 going to bring you this week's episode of Dragnet. But first, 4 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:45.600 I do want to encourage you. If you're enjoying the podcast, 5 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:50.640 please follow us using your favorite podcast software. Also, today's 6 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.159 program is brought to you in part by the financial 7 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:55.920 support of our listeners. You can support the show on 8 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:59.679 a one time basis by mailing a donation to Adam. 9 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.759 I am peelbox one five nine one three. That's peel 10 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:08.680 Box one five nine thirteen Boise Aldohol eight three seven 11 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:11.920 one five. 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A jewelry salesman 21 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.280 is slugged and robbed of twenty thousand dollars in precious stones. 22 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:09.319 After months of investigation, you'll finally discover the man responsible 23 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:11.800 for the hold up. You've got the evidence to prove 24 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:12.400 him guilty. 25 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:14.479 Your job bring him. 26 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:27.520 In Dragnet the document a drama of an actual crime. 27 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.560 For the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los 28 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:33.960 Angeles Police Department, you will travel step by step on 29 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:36.599 the side of the law through an actual case transcribed 30 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:40.639 from official police violence, from beginning to end, from crime 31 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:44.080 to punishment. Dragnet is the story of your police force 32 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:44.639 in action. 33 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:50.000 Course. 34 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:53.280 Thursday, July eighteenth was sultry in Los Angeles. We were 35 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.919 working the day watch out of Robbery Detail. My partner's 36 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:58.879 Ed Jacobs. The boss is Captain Dideon. My name is Friday. 37 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:01.400 It was one thirty five pm when we got back 38 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:05.840 to the City Hall, the interrogation room, is it not, 39 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.439 mister Garvey, Yes, sir, you want to call a captain. 40 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:10.319 They'd let him know where back. 41 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:13.199 Okay, I'd still like to know what this is all about. 42 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:14.919 Sorry and dragging me down here in the middle of 43 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:16.319 the day. I've got an office system. 44 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:21.199 Yeah, I just got back. Good you had interrogation room, right, 45 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:24.599 let us check in you. Yeah, I'm back workd out time. 46 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:27.120 Would you please explain what this is about? Why you 47 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.599 brought me down here? We think you know what I don't. 48 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.960 I haven't any idea. Take me away from my store 49 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:33.960 on a busy day, you put a police guard on it, 50 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:35.439 you insist on bringing me down here. 51 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:37.919 What's it all about? Tell me you tell us, mister Garvey, 52 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:40.400 tell you about what but jewel robbery nine months ago? 53 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:41.759 That hold up? What hold up? 54 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:42.599 My store hasn't been. 55 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:44.400 Talking about your friend Thomas Ashley? 56 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:45.719 Ashley, what about him? 57 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:47.879 I think you remember it nine months ago, parking lot 58 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:49.360 back of the building down on Poyt Street. 59 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:51.879 Oh sure, some hold up man slugged him just to 60 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:53.840 all his cases samples. I remember it now. 61 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:55.159 For a time. 62 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:56.680 Thief made a big haul, didn't. 63 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:58.280 He unset down? It was twenty thousand dollars worth. 64 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.560 I remember it now. I don't think Tom's gotten over it. Yeah. 65 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:03.759 It was a jewelry salesman for the same company at 66 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:06.120 the time, you know, same company Tom was working for him. Yeah, 67 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:08.879 some of the big bosses thought Tom had a hand 68 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:10.639 in it. I figured it was a put up job. 69 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:13.879 Nothing was further from the truth. So sure I know Tom. 70 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.120 He's a close friend of mine. He wouldn't be mixed 71 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:18.240 up in a deal like that. Tom and I worked 72 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.040 out of the same office for years. We've had him 73 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:22.800 over the house for dinner. We've even been on vacations together. 74 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:24.480 It's one of the most honest men I know. We're 75 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.319 sure of all this, of course, I'm sure that isn't 76 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:28.519 why you called me down here? 77 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:28.720 Is it? 78 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:30.920 You don't think Tom had anything to do with it robbery? 79 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:31.199 Did you? 80 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:32.560 You don't think he was in on it? 81 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:33.759 You had nothing to do with it. I think you 82 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:34.720 know that as well as we do. 83 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:35.800 Then why am I here? 84 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:37.560 There's nothing I can tell you about the hold up, 85 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:39.399 only what I heard from Tom, what I read in 86 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:39.680 the note. 87 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.839 You can tell us a lot more, Garvey. We didn't 88 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:43.360 bring here just past time a day. 89 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.120 Tom was sluck and his sample cases stones were taken. 90 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.800 That's all I can kill a liar, mister. You engineered 91 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:49.199 the whole thing. 92 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:50.120 We know it, and so to you. 93 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:52.199 Was this some kind of a joke. If it is, 94 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.360 I think it's in very long away from a joke, Garvey, 95 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:55.959 you've planned the job, you got the loop. We can 96 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.319 give you a chapter in verse. I really think you're serious? 97 00:04:58.399 --> 00:04:59.360 You think I robbed Tom. 98 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:01.800 We're past thinking stage, Garvey. We already told you, we 99 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.480 know you robbed him. Wait a minute. This thing is ridiculous. 100 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.519 The whole idea is ridiculous. I don't know who gave 101 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:08.600 you the so called information on me, but it's wrong. 102 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.120 There's nothing further from the truth. Nobody gave us the information. 103 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.360 We got it ourselves. You're really serious. I robbed Tom 104 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:15.360 and you can prove I didn't. 105 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:16.240 You're getting the idea. 106 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.680 I know what's say. It's fantastic. 107 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:21.839 I robbed my best friend Tom Ashley nine months ago. 108 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:23.920 I have twenty thousand dollars worth of diamonds, and you 109 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.319 can prove it, every bit of it. What about it? 110 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.079 I think you're out of your mind. My name is 111 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.399 George Garvey. You sure I'm the man you want? There 112 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.480 couldn't be a mistake. No, there's no mistake. This seemed 113 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:35.240 to be funny. If I didn't think you were serious, 114 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:37.279 let me ask you just one question. Maybe that'll clear 115 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:40.079 it up for you. Yeah, if I held up Tom Ashley. 116 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:41.399 How is it he didn't recognize it? 117 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.079 You know better than that, Garvey. You didn't hold up 118 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:46.319 Tom Ashley yourself. You had someone to do it for you. 119 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.920 Oh, I'll cloak and dagger. I'm afraid this is getting 120 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:50.839 a little too wild for me. 121 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:51.240 Sergeant. 122 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:53.439 Maybe you can waste time making ridiculous charges. 123 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:53.759 I can. 124 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:54.839 I'm going back to my store. 125 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:56.399 Weak bluff mistress, not gonna do it. 126 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:57.040 Excuse me? 127 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.680 Are you sure you two men haven't been drink? Mister Garvey, 128 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.519 I told you, and do you make my stool down? Look, 129 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.560 you have no right to keep me here. These are 130 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:09.240 ridiculous charges. You think I'm one of those cheap hoodlings 131 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:09.839 you used to dealing. 132 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.319 I'll come off at mister. You've got a five thousand 133 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:14.199 dollars car and a forty thousand dollars home. That doesn't 134 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:15.879 reach you a special treatment. You're a thief and you 135 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:17.560 know it as well as we do. I don't have 136 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:19.480 to take this from you. You haven't got much choice. 137 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.319 We just finished five months leg work proving it, proving what. Alright, 138 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:25.480 I sit down there. You engineered that hold up. We 139 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:26.879 know who you got to do it, We know how 140 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:28.399 it was carried out. We know how you're planned on 141 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:30.279 disposing of the diamonds. We know who your fans was, 142 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:31.639 we know what the split was, we know what you 143 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:32.439 did with part of the money. 144 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:34.639 We know how much you got left. Right, Yeah, that's right. 145 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:36.759 What can I say? I don't even know what you're 146 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:39.040 talking about. Any way you want it, mister Garvey, maybe 147 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:40.600 you'd like to tell me why I did always you 148 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:42.079 know what better than we do, you know, I mean, 149 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.040 and tell me you weren't making enough money at your 150 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:47.000 job to suit yourself suit your wife either. It's pretty good, 151 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:48.439 Maryland get a big kick out. 152 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.240 Of that, all right, So we can wait it out 153 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:53.639 as long as you want. We spent nine months on 154 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.199 this already. In another few days, I'm going to make 155 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:56.240 that much difference. 156 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.360 Just as a matter of curiosity. How'd you first start 157 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.600 off on this tangent? Whatever gave you the idea that 158 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:01.519 I had anything. 159 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:02.120 To do with the hold up? 160 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.399 When you started to spend money a new car, new 161 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:06.759 office for yourself, for a code for your wife, transferred 162 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.279 your two children to that private school. 163 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:09.800 And that makes a hold up man out of me, 164 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.199 because I wanted to send my kids to a better school. 165 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:13.600 Where the money come from. Can you explain that? 166 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:14.879 Don't you think that's my business? 167 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:15.199 Sergeant? 168 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:16.759 Where I get my money? What'd I do with it? 169 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:16.920 Now? 170 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:17.879 When you get it? Stealing? 171 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:20.040 I'm afraid you're going just a little too far. You 172 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:22.160 insist I'm a thief. I'm going to insist you prove it, 173 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:22.680 all right. 174 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:24.480 I have a look over here, mister Garvey. 175 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.079 Yeah, some of the reports on. 176 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.759 The investigation reams of them. They cover everything from the 177 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:31.560 time of the jewel robbery of the late yesterday. It's 178 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.519 all right there, everything from the crime report to science statements. 179 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:35.680 How would that concern me? 180 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:37.680 Three quarters of the stuff concerned? You have a look 181 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:38.199 for yourself. 182 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.439 I still can't yet it's straightened my mind. What makes 183 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:42.240 you think I had anything to do with that robbery? 184 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.040 You know what this is, mister Garvey? This machine right here. 185 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.839 No, I'm kind of recording apparatus. 186 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:50.160 That's right, it's a tape recorder. 187 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:52.879 You've been taking down this conversation, and why no not 188 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.399 this one. We've been recording every conversation that took place 189 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:56.279 in your office. 190 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:56.839 For the last four months. 191 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:58.279 Every word, what do you mean just. 192 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.560 That, mister Garvey? Every time you talked on uphone every 193 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:02.720 visitor you had. It's all down on tape, twenty five 194 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:03.199 years of it. 195 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:05.560 Interesting. Is that supposed to frighten you know? 196 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.360 No, we don't care. If it's frightens you're not something 197 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.079 else here. Yes, the reports on what you've been doing 198 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.519 for the last four months, daily reports, every movement you made. 199 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.720 That's so everywhere you went, everybody you talk to, everything 200 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:21.879 you did want to hear sample. 201 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:23.959 This must be some kind of a joke. That's the 202 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:25.360 only explanation I can think of. 203 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:30.600 May twelfth, Thursday. Sergeant's bitter Off and rapperty Those are 204 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:32.440 the two officers who were tailing you at the time. 205 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.000 You checked in at your new office at nine thirty 206 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.360 eight am. At ten oh three am, you had a 207 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:40.159 visitor at Kenneth Tyson. You talked to him in your office, 208 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:44.480 conversations recorded. Tyson left at ten eighteen am. At ten 209 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:45.960 thirty two am, you left your office. 210 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:47.879 If you're trying to impress me, I'm afraid it isn't 211 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:51.000 working out very well. You care for a cecarectulary? No thanks, 212 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:55.480 I have my own. I've wasted enough time. Exactly what's 213 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:56.240 the point of all. 214 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:59.960 It pretty simple? You're responsible for a robbery you can prove, 215 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:01.840 but we're giving you the chance to make statement. 216 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:05.759 It's nonsense, isn't of course, people following me checking everything 217 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:07.559 I do, where I spend my money, where I send 218 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:08.320 my kids to school. 219 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.799 What's it all about? It doesn't make any sense, all. 220 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.919 Right, christer Garvey. We've said it before. We can wait 221 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.000 it out as long as you want. Look, let's get 222 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:17.840 this thing straight. Let's go back to the beginning and 223 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:18.960 take it step by step. 224 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:19.679 That's fine. 225 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:22.840 The whole up was last fall, but sometime in October. 226 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.600 October seventh, Monday twenty in the afternoon. 227 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:26.519 All right, now, just what am I supposed to have done? 228 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:28.600 None of your vague references about a new coach for 229 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:30.480 my wife or where I send my kids to school. 230 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:31.799 Let's have some facts yo. 231 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.679 All right, mister Garvin. You went to work as a 232 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.120 jewelry salesman for the company ten years ago. Your friend 233 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.720 Tom Ashley, the victims, started the same year. The two 234 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:42.960 of you have been pretty close friends. 235 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:43.360 That's right. 236 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:44.919 I told you that I will skip the rest of 237 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:49.159 your background for now. Two weeks before the robbery, on 238 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:51.519 September twenty fourth, we had a meeting with Kenneth Tyson. 239 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.879 You met in the cafeteria on South Broadway. Tyson's nineteen 240 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.759 years old, lives with an older sister. He works in 241 00:09:57.799 --> 00:09:59.919 the Gas States Olympic Boulevard, has done some work. 242 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:00.519 We're careful. 243 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:02.279 That's how you have to know him. Yes, I think 244 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.159 I remember the boy. I don't know him well, though, 245 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:05.159 I don't recall the meeting. 246 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:07.480 No, you know the boy very well. The time of 247 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.159 the meeting, you promised him a thousand dollars I could 248 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.799 hold up your friend Tom actually did. Tyson agreed to it, 249 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:13.519 and you briefed him on the plan. The following day, 250 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.639 you gave him a gun thirty two caliber Smith and Wesson, 251 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.799 serial number three six two seven four nine. 252 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:20.159 Sense where did you get that in from? 253 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:20.799 Tyson? 254 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:21.559 Well, he's lying. 255 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:23.960 Believe me if he told you that he's lying. Is 256 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:26.960 he the one who robbed Tom October seventh? At your direction? 257 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.559 He was in the parking lot behind the Hunter Crosswell Building. 258 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.639 Tom actually came out to get in his car. He 259 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:34.399 had his case of sample diamonds with him. Tyson held 260 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:36.440 him up, slugged him, took the stones and got away. 261 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.679 Of course, it's obvious Tyson's trying to say, I put 262 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:40.039 him up to it. He's trying to get out of it. 263 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.360 That pat not mister Garvey boy couldn't have carried off 264 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:43.240 a hold up himself. 265 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:45.480 Of course he could. It's obvious he's trying to cover up. 266 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.240 There were six people in the company you worked for. 267 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.320 We knew that on Mondays actually always took the case 268 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.399 of sample diamonds long when he made his calls. Only 269 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:53.080 on Monday. You were one of the people who knew that. 270 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.480 I suppose you've considered the other five people and they were. 271 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.039 All checked out at the time. They were all cleared 272 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:57.720 you along with him. 273 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:00.559 But I'm not clear anymore. Is that it this young 274 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.159 hoodlum tyson? You're willing to take his word over mine. 275 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.120 After the robbery, took the case of dimes to you. 276 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:05.960 That was the next day. 277 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:07.879 You paid him five hundred dollars and proms from the 278 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:09.600 other five hundred when he got rid of the stones. 279 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.759 Oh, I suppose I've gotten rid of them, or do 280 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:12.600 I still have him? 281 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.120 Two months after the hold up, you contacted a fence 282 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.600 something in San Francisco. You drove up there and sold 283 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:19.159 him some of the stones, and he broke him up 284 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:20.919 and sold him. We know where he saw him to. 285 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:22.960 We know what he got for him with this fence. 286 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:24.600 He's supposed to be another good friend of mine. 287 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.679 He's still doing business with him. His name is Fred Lawrence, 288 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:29.399 who went on me. I don't know any Fred Lawrence. 289 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:30.519 Can't even recall the name. 290 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:33.399 Now, maybe this will help you, mister Garvey. Listen to 291 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.720 him little teeth recorder. It's reel four in the day. 292 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:38.639 Yeah, so I'll labeled there right on the. 293 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.200 Back of the black Yeah, you're with. 294 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:43.879 Well, what's all this about? 295 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.679 Phone conversation, mister Garvey. One of the things were recorded 296 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:51.440 from your office. I told you about it before. Let's 297 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.600 see this one was on March eighteenth. 298 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:55.919 I always thought wiretapping was against the law, or do 299 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:56.919 you pay any attention to that? 300 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.440 He didn't have your telephone line. We recorded everything. Come 301 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.279 to take the grabb installed in your store and back 302 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.480 in your office. They started recording the day you moved in, 303 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:04.759 and that was the first to March, wasn't. 304 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:06.559 I don't know why you're telling me. I can sue 305 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:06.960 you for that. 306 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:08.960 You know, I can sue you for your last dollar 307 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.039 all working sermons? Right now? Is Fred Lawrence? You say 308 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.600 you don't know what t Have you listened to this? 309 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:19.960 This is recorded March eighteenth in your office? Okay, here 310 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:20.240 we go. 311 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:25.480 Yeah, I'm right? 312 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:27.320 Is the Lawrence? 313 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:28.120 Yeah? 314 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:28.480 Sure? 315 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:29.039 Put money? 316 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:31.919 Hi Fred? 317 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:32.320 How are you. 318 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:35.480 Good? No? Are they fine? 319 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:35.639 No? 320 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.039 He at all Ie? No, he's all right. 321 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:45.799 I believe he's a good kid. Nice alright? Where Oh, 322 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:47.360 I know it might not be so good as you've 323 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:48.039 seen down here? 324 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:49.639 Only your clock? 325 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:50.240 Are you thirty? 326 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:51.679 Okay? Fine? 327 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:52.399 Close a thirty? 328 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:52.679 Is you like? 329 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:53.679 Like? 330 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.639 Like mister Gary? 331 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:00.879 You recognize that? How about it? 332 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:03.320 Guard? I understand they can do clever things with tape 333 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.799 recorders nowadays. There's a way of piecing words together. 334 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:06.240 Is in there. 335 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:08.360 They can record your voice and then fix the tape. 336 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:10.559 Take a simple sentence and change the words around me 337 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:11.600 in just the opposite cam. 338 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.240 You examine the tape, if you liked it, didn't make 339 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:14.960 a splice in or tell you'll find it the usual 340 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.320 factory splice it just where it comes from the manufacturer. 341 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:18.320 What difference does it make? 342 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:18.679 Anyway? 343 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:21.080 There's nothing criminal about that conversation, nothing at all. 344 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:22.639 You told us a few minutes ago you didn't know 345 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.559 Fred Lawrence. You never heard of him on that recording. 346 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:25.919 It sounds like you know him pretty well. 347 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.320 It's a fairly common name, wouldn't you say, must be 348 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:29.600 quite a few Fred Lawrence's. 349 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:31.440 I didn't happen to remember the name right off. 350 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:36.240 How about Tyson? Tyson? He told us you didn't know 351 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:38.200 him well at all. I don't well, I didn't sound 352 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:39.879 that way on that tape, did it. If you were 353 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.720 telling Lawrence that he was all right? You said, believe me, 354 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.679 he's a good kid. Now what you said to How 355 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:45.000 about it? 356 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:45.200 Mass? 357 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:45.639 How about? 358 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:47.440 What is this some kind of a frame? What are 359 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:48.399 you trying to make me say? 360 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:50.279 We're not going to make you say anything, Garvey. We 361 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:52.799 work robbery detail. That's a job robberies. They pay us 362 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:55.759 to clean them up. I can pay you well, never mind, 363 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:57.720 I didn't mean that. I meant I pay my taxes, 364 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.360 I pay your salaries. I helped you anyway. I don't 365 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:01.519 know why I have to be treated like that. 366 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.200 No reason to make a big headache out of this 367 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.240 for anybody, Garvey. Now you engineered a hold up. We 368 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.080 can prove that. We're giving you a chance to make 369 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:09.360 a statement. That's all we want here. 370 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:11.600 I have got nothing to say, make a statement about 371 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:15.039 what all you're going on is hearsay circumstantial evidence. 372 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:16.320 You can't say I planned that, Rob. 373 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:17.600 But do you admit you know Tyson? 374 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:18.240 You know them? Well? 375 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:18.679 I don't. 376 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.720 I admit nothing. What about the phone conversation? 377 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:21.559 It's a fake. 378 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:23.480 They're phoning those things up all the time. You know 379 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:24.240 it as well as I do. 380 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:26.919 You admitted you know Fred Lnes. Prove that from the recording? 381 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:27.799 I admit nothing. 382 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:28.799 You don't even know Tyson? 383 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:29.639 Is that what you want to say? 384 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:31.639 I know him, that's all. He worked on my car 385 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:33.240 a couple of times. I don't know him well. 386 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:35.360 All right, sir, to play another recording? 387 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.279 So waste of time. I haven't got the whole day 388 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.120 to spend here. I got to get back to my store. 389 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:40.000 I've got a business to. 390 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:45.080 Offer here we are April fits a lot of foolishness. 391 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:45.440 Anyway. 392 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:47.639 How do I know you made those recordings? You could 393 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:51.559 have gotten actors. Maybe you made them up yourselves. There 394 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:53.919 weren't any dictographs. How do you make those sayings? 395 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.799 There? Word dictographs? Mister Garvey? Remember before you moved into 396 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.039 that new suite of offices, you had them redecorated. Yeah, 397 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.799 or sound technicaltions from our crime lay about their working 398 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.039 side by side of the painters and carpenters installed dictographs 399 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:06.720 in your store from back in your office. They bug 400 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:07.399 the entire. 401 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.639