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Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from
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My name is Craig Bryant, author, the investigator and collector
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the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. So hello and welcome to episode
fifty one of Paranormal Pandle, broadcasting to the Paranormal UK
Radio Network at PAUK radio dot com. So welcome to
my three guests on this particular podcast. I'm absolutely delighted
to have the three guys from Northern Frights. We've got Chris,
We've got Tom, and we've got Rachel. Hello, Hello, brilliant,
Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, I mean
it's it's it's great that we've got you on. I've
been having a look at your Facebook page which has
got some some really quite interesting investigations that you've you've
done recently, which i'd love to get get on to
talking about in a second, but I would like to
start off with though, is how did you guys meet,
because you're not all that close geographically, are you.
Speaker 2: No, So we've all got a mutual interest in the
Haunted Hotel in Chester, haven't we?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all sort of met through either being on the
same investigations or on the overnight stays or like the
recent fan page which has been up and running now,
and there's a chat in there where we can all
sort of chat and we sort of all know each other.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, so were you on sort of separate investigations
and you just sort of met and decided to form
a group? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I made a group with two of my other mates,
but they've not sort of been a part of it recently,
just being busy and everything. And then I put in
the chat on my Haunted Hotel fan book page and
Chris message saying he was interested, and then we met
Rachel at another investigation probably was it check mill?
Speaker 1: Well? The Haunted Hotel And for those people that don't
know too much about it, because it's becoming quite a
sort of famous place for people to go and investigate,
isn't that whereabouts is it based? And what's the story
behind it.
Speaker 2: So it's Yo King's Head in Chester and Harry, the
owner for many years, had an idea of cameras in
every room, letting people star in their own paranormal investigations,
and you know, they'd film it and release highlight reels.
And I think that's the big attraction, is that it's
accessible to everybody, and because everyone's so interested in joining in,
this community kind of built, didn't it. So it's not
just us three, there's there's many others that we've become
friendly with. Like you mentioned the girls that to investigate,
we met them through there as well, and others. So
it's really nice. Everyone seems to get on and some
good guys and yeah, we just do. We do enjoy
investigating there. How many times you record we've done it?
I must have done it at least ten times something
like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you, Rachel?
Speaker 4: Been a few times?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you find it? And I'm picking on
you now, but how did you find it myself? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Brilliant. I mean I know Danny pretty well anyway, because
I've been part of his other team, the Haunted Hunts,
So I've been there to visit a couple of times
and it's brilliant. It's a brilliant idea, and yeah, it's
very very popular, and obviously the USA one is getting
popular as well.
Speaker 1: All right, so there's one over in the States. Then
is it is it? Do you think it's going to
end up?
Speaker 4: I think it's going to end up pretty much worldwidees.
I think yeah, sort.
Speaker 1: Of translates into a sort of TV type investigation series,
because obviously that's the that's the big thing, isn't it
the minute all these different different TV series that are
going on, you know, with with Goss investigations and such. So,
I mean, you've obviously been to it a number of times.
Tell me about your experiences. Then what happened? Go on, Tom,
you go through. You've got a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first time that went so obviously not everything
happens every time you go, just with all the paranormal is.
But the first time I went, it was mostly quiet,
apart from maybe a knock on one of the doors.
But it was also on command. So one of the
other guests he was saying, you know, you can knock,
you can speak, can make any noise you want, and
almost on like you there was a knock on the door,
so that was interesting. Other than that, on the first night,
nothing really much happened, even with the knock on the door.
I was skeptical, you know, like, even if something is happening,
I don't quite get it, and you know, my brain
maybe doesn't register.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Happened, I think.
Speaker 3: The second and third time I went again, not much
apart from maybe a couple knocks. But the fourth time
I went, it was a quiet night in the hotel.
There was only like one other room booked. Sometimes because
it's quite busy, you can get a lot of noise
pollution with other guests obviously investigating as well. But the
fourth time it was it was only me and two
other guests in the book this one room, so we
pretty much had the full building to ourselves, and it.
Speaker 2: Was quite for quite a chunk of the night.
Speaker 3: But then we're in this one room, room six, and
it just went crazy for about fifteen to twenty minutes,
like there was bangs all over the room. I managed
to record a DVP in the center of the room. Yeah,
and then as quick as it started, it sort of stopped,
and then it was quiet again for the rest of
the night. Apart from another room we were getting sort
of knocks on command, sort of like intelligence, So can
you knock twice if you know whatever? And then two
little knocks straight after.
Speaker 1: That's another weird answering back to what you were Yeah, yeah, sorry,
can I ask you what DVP is just for those people?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a direct voice phenomena.
Speaker 3: So you get your you get your EVPs, which your
electronic voice from KO phenomena which you might not hear
at the time, but however it worked, is captured on
sort of like you know, your phone video camera or
something like that. But yeah, DVP is like in the room,
you actually hear it with your own ears.
Speaker 1: So what what was that like? Then? What did it?
Did it? Can you remember what it said? It's anything.
Speaker 3: No, it was more of a noise. It's kind of
like ah like that. It was just in the middle
of the rear. It was really weird.
Speaker 1: No, no, Well, I can imagine that that will be
quite quite a sort of strange thing to hear.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, did you.
Speaker 1: Manage to record it as all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got it on Yeah, I've got it on video.
And then it was also included and I think it
was on the so did my hotel have like a
subscription service as well, so I think they featured in.
Speaker 2: One of them episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, does anybody know what the history of this place?
Does anybody know why there's so much paranormal activity going
on there?
Speaker 2: I mean, Chester is quite a historical city. It's links
right back to you know, the English Civil War. I
think that building is from sixteen twenty two, isn't it.
It's also near the river and this series isn't it
about moving water and energies and things like that, So
you know, who knows who knows why? But for whatever reason,
it seems to be a hot spot for things going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sort of age in history, it's not surprising, really, Rachel.
What about you then? What happened when you went there?
Speaker 4: Well, a few times that I've been there in the beginning,
nothing much happened. It's very quiet. I mean, the odd
device is going off, things like that. But I recently
went in January an investigation there and it was quite interesting.
I had like three loud knocks in room six and
we also heard what sounded like sex noises in the cellar. Yeah,
and they actually caught that on their camera as well
as mine. Interesting tell more, Well, to us it sounded
like a child at first, but reviewing back, it sounded
a bit naughty, right, And then room seven that's that's
kicking up now as well. But when I went in there,
I didn't hear anything physically, but on camera as reviewed
as I was reviewing, I did hear some like wolf whistling.
Ah right, okay, so that was quite weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously with him in such an old,
an old building, I mean, I presume it's always been
an inn of some sort. You could certainly imagine going
back a few hundred years there would have been less
than salubrious activities going on in a in a place
like that, So, I mean, who knows, you know that
they could well have been. You know, it's put too
far points on it. Working ladies, working girls. It's well
known there's an area known as the brothel there you go.
Then that obviously explains that, doesn't it. So that's that's
that's a phenomenon that I've not heard of before. Actually,
that's quite interesting. Maybe I need to visit myself there
you go for it, Chris, what about yourself? What I
was spoilt?
Speaker 2: Actually the first time I went there, they do nights
at the weekend where you don't stay over, and there's
an event's company called after Life and Spooky Events.
Speaker 1: That was my first experience.
Speaker 2: And we were in room five, which is one of
the more active rooms there, and from out in the corridor,
we were hearing footsteps, we were seeing shadows move under
the door, and each time those happened, two of us
were darting up as quick as we could to get
in that corridor to see if there's anybody there, not
a soul, not a single person around. In fact, that
happened two or three times, and then after the third
time we said, right, we're going to camp in this corridor.
We're going to go and sit in there and wait
and see what happens. While we were there, we heard
a massive scream in room five where we just come from.
The people who'd stay in there actually heard a baby crying.
And that's not the first time that's been heard. It's
been heard a few times in there. And there's also
in room five a doll that inexplicably just throws itself
off the shelf down again.
Speaker 1: They did it.
Speaker 2: It did it twice for us that night as well.
This is all the first time so you can imagine
I'm thinking, oh my god, this place is you know,
a hotspot, and then I think the next three or
four times I went there and nothing happened.
Speaker 1: Did you did you actually see the doll sort of
levitating off the.
Speaker 2: Yes, So it's weird. It's caught on camera. It almost
seems to twist itself on one of the times, rather
than just going falling forward, it seems to twist before
it fell. And interestingly, when they moved it, they moved
it to another room the Haunted Museum, so they've got
a lot of haunted artifacts in there, and when they
moved it in there, it's it's never fallen again, has it.
It's like Room five is known to have two child
spirits that live in there, is it Billy and Emma.
The theory goes that maybe one of them is tugging
on it or something, you know, they recognize it or something,
and when they moved it to another room, they never moved.
Speaker 1: So interesting. Does anybody know the story behind those two children?
Were they murdered there or something like that? Too well known?
Is it? We're not sure, We're not. I always I
always find gossip children a little bit sad.
Speaker 4: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: And I've supposed to people who've had experience selves of
you know, gossi of children, and it always it always
makes me feel a little bit a little bit sad
that they're still there and still around, you know, and
and they find it difficult to move on. I mean,
you think that's sad.
Speaker 2: Who was it that caught in room five on a
really sensitive microphone called a zoom H four they caught
a child said mama, right, Oh yeah, that pulled at
the heart strings.
Speaker 1: I can imagine, Yeah, it was was that. That wasn't
one of you guys, was it not?
Speaker 2: No, it was a different different guests, different.
Speaker 1: Guests, right, Well, it sounds like a really interesting place.
And yeah, like I say, I've spotted to a few
other guests on the podcast recently who've who've been there
and had similar sort of experiences. I think it's interesting
that it's not the sort of place where I mean,
it's it's refreshing that that you say that you've been
a few times and on most of the times you've
been there, nothing's really happened. And I think that when
when that's the case, when something does happen, it makes
it more credible. Absolutely you know, rather than sort of
going in and everything happening all at once as soon
as you walk through the door, Because to me, that
that just makes a little bit less sort of believable.
I had all cunny Facebook page. You've done quite a
lot of investigations recently. I'm going to put you on
the spot and I'm going to mention a few that
you've done if there's any others that you want to
throw in while we're at it. That's absolutely great stock
on Trent Museum. That was the first one that I
looked at. You put a post on there, Rachel. You're
smiling and nod in your head, So go on, I'll
let you start with this one.
Speaker 4: It's an amazing building. I really really enjoyed my night.
I thought it was going to be over hyped and things,
but we got some good confirmation there. I don't want
to say too much because the full episode hasn't been
edited yet, so I just kind of done look like
a little teaser. Yea. So I did the first session
episode and yeah, we had some very strange voices coming
through on the spirit Box and it was like the
same lady twice that came up saying let me go,
and then she said it won't let me go, so
like a panicky kind of kind of way. Yeah, we
caught loads of loads of different things.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, isn't it that that would suggest then that
she's been held will maybe will yeah, by maybe another spirit. Again.
I've sports people who've investigated places where there's been very
distinct spirits, and some of the spirits have been very
scared of other spirits and they've they've sort of said
that they were scared of them. So I always find
that quite interesting. What did you guys think of it? Then? Tom?
Speaker 3: I wasn't actually at this one. I wasn't able to
make it, so it was just Chris and Rachel Rice
go on there.
Speaker 2: Chris, I was going to say, I don't want to
say too much. Probably Rachel's probably thinking the same thing
as me. But after reviewing the foot reach may have
spotted something pretty big. But we like to make sure
we do, you know, due diligence and make sure we
can't debunk it before we actually say it. But potentially
there's something big there and we're just waiting for confirmation
from the people who weren't there, who have kindly offered
to check cameras and things for us.
Speaker 1: So yeah, watch this space, well I will. I will
push any more on that. Then when when do you
expect the footage to be on a YouTube channel? Any idea?
Do you have a YouTube channel? Sorry?
Speaker 2: We do, Yeah, we do. So there's a Northern Frights UK.
We've got a bit of a backlog, haven't we. I
think Tom's working on one for the hotel. I'm working
on one at the moment for both Delabare and the
Screaming House.
Speaker 1: That we've been too recently. So soon can you talk
about that or do you want to tell me about
some that are already on there.
Speaker 2: This is Tom's baby, so I'll let Tom take it away.
Speaker 3: So I've got one that i'm brilly editing, which was
an after life event at my Haunted hotel.
Speaker 1: Happened a good while ago.
Speaker 3: Now I've just not got around to sort of editing,
been a bit busy and with life and stuff. But yeah,
I've got hopefully trying and get it finished this weekend
and then we'll have another one for maybe Sunday or
the week after.
Speaker 1: Okay, So can you tell me about any of your
investigations then that are already sort of of up there
that you can, yeah, talk about a little.
Speaker 3: The first one I think we put on was Church Mill.
Chris sort of organized that one, which was I don't
know too much of the history about that building, to
be honest, but it was an interesting building. We had
a few bits go on and stuff. But it's a
building in We're Wrexham, is that right, Chris.
Speaker 2: Yeah, de yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think that's the first one where we all
sort of met up together, meet Chris and Rachel and
then form the team sort of from there.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a mill. What sort of mill is it?
Speaker 2: Can you remember what mill it was, Chris?
Speaker 1: I do you know what?
Speaker 2: I think it was like a cool mill or something
like that, a flower mill, something along those lines.
Speaker 1: But it goes back so far.
Speaker 2: The lady that owns it, Tracy, she's still trying to
find history on it because it goes back so far.
She's got photos, she's got local books that talk about
the place being a mill, a few stories, but there's
still big holes in the history to that place. So
she's still you know, digging and finding out what she can.
The site used to have houses on there as well.
You know, some of the photos or the drawings that
got the place showed just how big and how important part.
Speaker 1: Of the community it was at one time.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's been a working mill for quite
some time, so it's now a showroom for I think
they do beds and bedspreads, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But there's some wonderful.
Speaker 2: Historical like antiques in there, and she's slowly she's doing
an interesting project. So basically she's taking old antiques and
putting electronics in them. So you goo shunting equipment like
your rempods, your motion centers, that sort of thing. She's
putting them into actual antiques, so they become part of
the building. You know, they don't stand out of place,
so they're fully functional, but.
Speaker 1: They look great. You know, they look really impressive. So
what sort of equipment do you use? Then?
Speaker 2: As a group, I'd say we prefer more scientific approach,
just so that you can back it up. I am
fully open minded to things like mediums. However, evenly got
one person speaking out loud, and you have to trust
that person to believe what they're saying. Similar with like
Oiji boards, again I don't not believe in them, but
again it could easily be manipulated by someone at that
table at that time. So we prefer things like spirit boxes.
We've had some great results with those rempods. You know,
if something activates a rempod, it's pretty concrete, or you
can believe it. Your EMF detectors, that sort of thing.
That those sort of things you can catch on camera.
You can back it up, you can correlate it and
say we've had two or three pieces of evidence there,
and it's more scientific approach and you can back it
up and show to other people rather than oh, I
got this feeling, and again I'm fully open minded to it.
You know, Rachel's quite sensitive.
Speaker 1: Aren't you.
Speaker 2: H but we'd still try and back it up with something,
you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just gonna ask, actually, if any of
you are more sensitive to things than others, I mean,
how does that sort of manifest itself to your Rachel
when you go into a place.
Speaker 4: The feelings and being sensitive. I don't try to use
psychic abilities on investigations because it kind of takes away
that experience. So I don't tend to have that kind
of feelings as much as I used to, but I
do tend to hear a lot more than kind of say, oh,
I'm picking up on a male energy. Things like that,
like in at the at the Sorry the Museum, I
thought I heard a whisper, but nobody else heard it
and it was actually captured, and you know, things like that.
So I'm quite sensitive to hearing what's around me.
Speaker 1: And I was right next to Rachel.
Speaker 2: Didn't Rachel heard it, And when we played the recordings
back yet there, so it's backed up.
Speaker 4: That I did hear something but nobody else heard it.
So yeah, So I tend to not try to go
to investigations and say, oh, I'm picking up on a
male energy, because it kind of spoils it for everyone,
you know what I mean, unless I can back it
up like someone could say, actually, there is a male
spirit called Robert here. You know, it's different. But I
like to keep it low key because some people don't
believe in it.
Speaker 1: So, no, that's very true. I mean, do you sort
of get those feelings?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think it's natural for everyone. Everyone's
got that natural ability to sense and feel things within
the room. I mean, it's energy at the end of
the day, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just a case of whether you can
tune into energy, isn't it. It's some people think are
more more able to do that than others. So do
you often get sort of audible phenomena? Do you hear
a lot of stuff that other people don't in the past?
Speaker 4: I have, Yes, I've heard whispers, growls, Yeah, I've heard
a groun. Yeah, but I actually had two guests that
heard it at the same time as well, so very
very close.
Speaker 1: Are they sort of animal growls or no?
Speaker 4: It was like a man grunting, like a I'm not
going to even try and press it.
Speaker 1: All right, don't worry. I think we're not what you
mean going back. We're going back to the Haunted pub again,
aren't we?
Speaker 4: But yeah, everyone's got that sensitive abilities.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just been able to tune into stuff, isn't it? Okay?
So again, any other any other investigations that really made
an impression on you? Then? Which are the ones that
that you can talk about and that you really sort
of remember as being, you know, particularly good ones?
Speaker 2: I think mean me and Tom went to thirty Strive,
didn't we us about that?
Speaker 1: We talked.
Speaker 2: We talk about like, you know, being sensitive and things
like that. I'd never classed myself as sensitive. But when
Tom and I first walked in that building, what did
it feel like? Tom just felt dead heavy.
Speaker 3: And then when we went into one of the rooms upstairs,
so the first bedroom that you might sort of facing
once she gets on top of the stairs. For some reason,
every time I went into that room, I just felt
sort of, I don't know, like really heavy atmosphere and
I got like sort of tinglings down like my arms
and my backs, like almost every time that I went
into that room.
Speaker 1: It was weird. It was.
Speaker 2: It was a strange building. Because I'm not one to
get freaked out. I'm not want to panic and things
like that. But that building that that I came close
to being actually scared, do you know what I mean?
There was just a feeling about the place and stairs,
wasn't it. You know, around those stairs, I was positive
I was going to catch something on there.
Speaker 1: It was just But yeah, that place that that really delivered,
didn't it.
Speaker 2: And we can talk about that one because the episode
is out there and we did get things happening. We
did hear little voices, bangs, that sort of thing a
lot on the spirit box that night through SSK methods,
and that but actually the best captures came when we
were reviewing the footage later, and we got some electronic voice.
Speaker 1: For number through the video camera.
Speaker 2: Full on voices and like breaths as well, like a
breathing on the camera when the camera's on the side
watching one of us.
Speaker 1: So we're not anywhere near it, you can just hear a.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'd say, go and check out the video.
Because there is an area called the smoking room, think
it's called these days. Tom and I are in there.
We hear a noise from behind us. We go to
check it out, and as we kind of almost we
don't move that far away, but you just hear a
girl's voice.
Speaker 1: Check it out. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. What did the
voice say.
Speaker 2: I can't really tell, can we I don't know. It
sounds like a different language.
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 2: It sounds like savage, didn't it sound like yeah.
Speaker 1: Like that something. Yeah, it was weird. It's weird.
Speaker 2: But it sounds so female that I can't understand who
else it would be, because everybody else was upstairs.
Speaker 1: Me and Tom are on our own.
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 3: It sounds quite electronic as well, which is weird. But
there was definitely nothing plaining. At the time.
Speaker 2: It was dead, silent, weird.
Speaker 1: There's nothing there. So did you did you stay there
all night? Yeah? We left Tom on your own, didn't we.
Speaker 3: I was in the living room sleeping on my own
and it was so weird. I woke up maybe like
four or five times. There was one point where it
felt like something brought me up by sitting on the sofa,
but I was half asleep. I could have, you know,
But yeah, I just remember waking up scared sort of
like four or five times throughout the night, and the morning.
Speaker 1: Offered it pretty well to actually get any sleep at all. Yeah,
I think I'll probably be set up all night, to
be honest with I mean, what's what's the what's the
history of that place? I mean there's obviously a lot
of Polticis activity goes on there as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean there's actually a film about it.
Have you ever seen When the Lights Went Out? It's
very interesting. I mean, it's been dramatized for Hollywood, hasn't
it really over the top, But some of the fundamental
stories of the place are there.
Speaker 1: So a family I think it was.
Speaker 2: In the sixties or seventies moved in and experienced some
quite violent poltergeist activity I think was the girl dragged
up the stairs or something by what is believed to
be do they call it the dark Monk Black Monk?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's actually photos of this month that have
been caught on the stairs and as an area in
that smoking room where some of the folk two is
the guests have caught are on the wall, and honestly
to see them, some of them are mind really really
impressive but horrible at the same time.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: People people say it's it's dormant these days, but what
we experienced there, if that's it when it's dormant, I
would love to see it on an active night.
Speaker 1: I really would. Sorry, go on, sorry, Tom.
Speaker 3: Like I said, we were there actually to investigate for
the night, and they've got a clip.
Speaker 2: On the video where they.
Speaker 3: Hear something in the kitchen and on that same camera
that we mentioned that we were No, No, it was
a different one. It was like a static camera that
was just recording all night or when motion was detected
and they're screaming because they hear something in the in
the kitchen, like get the camera, get the camera and
then at the slight straight after, like a voice mimics
and something that give me the camera or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's dead weird. Oh yeah, is that at the same
time as well? Wear another camera that we set up
in the living room. Doesn't it catch like a slight
shadow moving past the door or something through the glass
shadow in the kitchen?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So it's a it's a great place. I'd
love to go back there sometime.
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a privately armed house? I believe
it's now what is it? Is it the director of
the film that bought it? I think he did, didn't he?
And now he kind of gets me.
Speaker 2: He gets the next door neighbor to rent it out for.
Speaker 1: Him, doesn't he.
Speaker 2: She comes and lets you in. Yeah, so it's just
hired out to teams. But I think it's it's booked
up months in advance because it's that popular.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's still sort of furnished, isn't it. In
it's sort of like seventies, sixties, seventies sort of furnishing.
So it's obviously as it was when when the family
just just left, I mean, did the family just just
pack up and leave? Was it? Was it that bad? Apparently,
I think so.
Speaker 2: I think I think they got to the point. I
think at first they were adamant that they wanted to
remain there. They weren't going to be shoved out of
their own house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it got to.
Speaker 2: The point where that much was going on for their
own safety, they just had to get out. And I
think I believe when when the next family moved in,
it was nowhere near as bad was it?
Speaker 1: It had share to them field poltergeist to it doesn't
that really does? It really does?
Speaker 2: And both cases have like a young girl involved.
Speaker 1: Don't they ask about that? Yeah, because they're acting that
that's a lot of poltic guice activity is attached to
adolescent children, aren't they particularly adolescent females, although there have
been occasions where they'd been attached to adolescent boys as well.
I mean, I know that there's there's a very similar
one in Acarington. Sign of Acrington, whether it was a
council house, which was in the in the seventies and
the eighties, was was very similar. Family moved in and
there was an awful lot of poltergeist activity. Made the
local news, made the local tea a news, local papers
and everything else. And eventually the family moved out and
I don't think anybody's ever moved in there since, and
it is just a lawn by the council and it
is well, it was empty for a long time. I
think something might actually be in there now. But it
was quite quite a sort of similar again, very similar
setup to both as Drive and the Mfield Paltergeist. It's
quite quite odd in that respect. It turns to be
the same sort of houses, don't they? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, In fact, we we investigated one recently, didn't we
that Rachu did one on the Murder House or the
Screaming House, didn't you for the Haunted And we went
to investigate there and we've got quite a bit of
activity there, didn't we as well?
Speaker 1: Whereabouts? Is that? Then? What? What's what's the story behind
that one?
Speaker 4: Halford and Chester? So a young seventeen year old girl
named Brenda Evans, she was walking home, well, she was
walking to see her uncle. I think it was after work.
She worked in the post office. She must have been
kidnapped and murdered because they tried to find her and
they found her in a manhole basically strangled with their
own with their own tights. So yeah, that's the story
behind it.
Speaker 1: And what sort of manifestations happened there then, Well, when
I went there, we didn't get a lot, but it
was a lot of spirit.
Speaker 4: Box kind of activity. So I heard like a lady
or a young girl saying I'm here, which was quite weird.
And I don't know, we heard a couple of ruffles,
but it's a really kind of rough bungalow. It's very derelict,
so lots of animals could be in there, like rats,
mice or anything like that. So it's very very hard
to pinpoint little noises. But Chris had quite a lot
going on with his camera.
Speaker 2: Well, there was the night I went with another There
was Tom was with us, and there was another couple
of people with us as well. We were all in
the living room and calling out spirit boxes on that
sort of thing. And I'm in the door door to
the living room back to the bedrooms, and there was
an almighty kind of loud scuffle from one of the bedrooms.
Had described it as somebody moving in there. Of course
terrified us, but I was straight in there with the
camera trying to, you know, see what it could be.
I didn't find any definite cause What there was though,
is one of the windows is smashed and there are
plastic bags in there, so it potentially could have been
blowing the bags. So I said, we always try and
debunk these things for it could have been. It didn't
sound like that. It sounded like somebody moving in there.
But you can't They can't say for definite, can you.
So I'd never go out and say yeah, it's It's
not worth saying it unless you can prove it for definite.
But we got some sounds, didn't we as well? Tom
on the on the cameras like on.
Speaker 3: A zoom mic as well, didn't we Yeah, did you
say Birmingham or something like that?
Speaker 2: Something like that?
Speaker 3: It was weird, like no one else was talking, or
maybe they were. I can't remember if we've cleaned it up,
but yeah, and there was just like a really sort
of out of place like man to say Birmingham a
summer or I don't know, I can't really tell what
it says.
Speaker 2: But that was weird. But we also got it when
when in one of the bedrooms, and it might have
been near where Rachel got I'm here.
Speaker 1: We got it.
Speaker 2: We got it as well when we were just about
to walk into one of the bedrooms. I think you're
filming on your camera. Neither of us heard a thing
at the time, but there's quite clearly a voice there
saying I'm here, and we were calling out yeah.
Speaker 1: Things like that. You just can't explain. No, and that
what did you say? That was a girl's voice? That
was a female voice? That one the Birmingham I think
was a male voice, wasn't it. I take it this
this place isn't anywhere near Birmingham. Well, it's strange. I mean,
why why would why would why would the spirit say Birmingham.
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's audio paradolia. I think
we're hearing that, but it's actually something else we have
been trying to guess. But yeah, because it sounded on
was American as well?
Speaker 1: Was sorry, sorry twenty American listeners. I may have got few.
My apologies for the for the crappy accent. I thought
he's very good Rach.
Speaker 4: As well. But it was a very weird e v
P that you caught there. But we will try and
set that out. What you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I suppose the more you listen to it,
the more you your brain sort of mix things up,
doesn't it when you because you because you're trying to
you're trying to work out what it's saying, and and
and so you're sort of filling bits in, aren't you
You subconsciously to make it sound like something that you recognize,
which I suppose is why you think it's same Birmingham,
because it's been some quite quite sort of clause. Yeah, yeah,
well else could it be girl in now? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I'm sure I did a good guess of what it said,
but I honestly can't remember. Now I'll have to have
a luck.
Speaker 1: Look back through the footage. I mean, I mean, which, what,
what's what's the scariest place you've ever been to? What's
what's the one place that really sort of freak you out?
Is or have you not been sort of affected to
that extent? I mean, obviously East Drive sounds like it was.
It was pretty pretty close to your scariest experience.
Speaker 3: One of the times where we got the really active
night of my own to hotel. I've been mostly other
signs with like a friend or one of my siblings,
but that one time I went on my own and
obviously slept in a room on my own.
Speaker 2: I used to sleep all right, to be fair, but
getting to.
Speaker 3: Sleep was it was. It was a bit, you know,
a bit nerve wracking.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like you could sleep through most things, Tom,
to be honest, by the places.
Speaker 3: You've It's weird though, because when I sleep anyway, I
always just dream about the place that I'm at. So
at the Honted Hotel, I dream that I'm at the hotel,
or like East Drive, I dreamt that I was at
East Drive.
Speaker 2: Again, it's weird. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: What about yourself, Chris, what's the what's the scariest pleasure
you've been to?
Speaker 2: I would say on the whole thirtiest Drive is the
scariest place. However, one of the I would say scariest
but also most exciting moments have had is Church Mill.
The first time I went there, and I went in
the day before we did our actual proper investigation at
the nighttime. I went there with just a bit of equipment,
talking to Tracy there and she left me on my
own in the actual mill building, and I had a
H four zoom mic that picks up really low sounds,
So any kind of whispers or anything like that you
hear and I'm just coming down the stairs and I
thought I heard a voice, so I stopped turned. Then
all of a sudden, I heard a woman's voice going,
I'm ready, So I thought, what the heck was that?
So I thought Tracy's come back. Tracy hadn't come back.
Tracy was in another building across the courtyard. She was
nowhere near the building, so I thought, maybe who was
meeting me there that night, maybe she'd gone there. Nope,
it wasn't there. I was on my own in that
building and I heard a woman's voice, So that freaked
me out a bit. But also I don't know that.
The spidery senses got tingling. I was excited. I wanted
to hear it again, trying to have a conversation with it.
I was for the rest of that evening. I was
trying to find it again. I was calling out all
sorts of nothing. Where it came from and where it went.
I have no idea, but I heard it as clear
as though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that was exciting and disconcerting the same.
It's one of those it's it's what you go there for.
Speaker 2: When it actually happens and you're on your own, it's
a little Yeah, the nerves get running out through the
adrelline gets pumping.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was excited, pissed off that there was
nobody else there to witness it.
Speaker 2: A little, a little, but at the same time it
backs up that it couldn't be anybody else talking you
know about yourself, Rachel.
Speaker 4: Well, I've been to so many places that are very,
very eerie, but I'm not easily scared. But I'll say
two places. Tat an old hall when Race the Doll
was there, creep the hell out of me because I've
never seen an item that's supposedly haunted before, and I
think that was coming out of that thing. Oh, it
was absolutely scary. He was pretty terrifying, to be honest.
Grace the Doll, Race the Dolls. She's actually at the
hotel now, Danny has moved her into room eight.
Speaker 1: Right, this one that comes off the No, this is.
Speaker 4: A different one. She's actually cased in a box with
the cross and chains.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what's the story. I've not heard about this,
So what's the story behind behind that and what happened.
Speaker 4: I think they bought the doll. I think it's just
like an ordinary doll that they used as a trigger.
Object in nan Cloyd de Dre and that's where the
attachments started with her, I believe, with a witch named Jeannette.
So they've had like a five or six year project
with the doll at Tattenhall Hall, I believe, And yeah,
she's she is something. A lot of voices have come
from that doll. And there's another doll called Willow. We
also heard her singing at tatten Hall and I was
actually in the room when it happened, and we were like,
who's singing? And we thought it was one of the
guests messing about and we were all just like looking
at each other, like what what's happened? And I said
to Danny, I was like, it came from that doll Willow.
And He's like, well, she's been dormant for like ages,
like nothing ever happens with her. I said, well, tonight
it has, and I think it happens a couple more
times after also, So she's also at the hotel on
display at the bar area.
Speaker 2: I believe, moving as well, didn't they she moved in moving?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Grace moving as well?
Speaker 1: Actually on film or camera? All right? Is that footage
available anywhere? Yes? I believe I've been shown worldwide.
Speaker 2: There's a clip of it being on Spanish news I think,
isn't it right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got YouTube channel and like Tom said before,
they've got a new VHX channel as well. So yeah,
that's one of the most terrifying items and experiences that
I had there.
Speaker 1: Did you think, she said, Obviously you can. You can
sort of feel stuff when when you're when you're in places,
even though you might not necessarily tell people that you're feeling.
Did you get any any bad feelings from these these dolls?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say bad feelings, but kind of like with Jeanette,
I feel like, I don't know, with her, I feel
like she's been betrayed a little bit to be evil
when she may not be that evil, but there's meant
to be like three other entities with the doll also,
so I don't know whether it's them three that are
being quite dominant towards her. Maybe, but that's just my opinion. Really,
that's how I feel, and I have spoke to other
people and they've also thought the same about Jeanette. Also,
you know that she's probably misunderstood. But that's what the
whole project's about. We need to find out more about her.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, interesting, So there's sort of multiple spirits attached
to her, you think, yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 4: It's been proven that there's three entities with her with
Grace the doll. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And do we know why they've attached themselves to that
object in particular?
Speaker 4: I don't think so. No. I think this is why
Danny's got this project still ongoing, so we can find out.
But you know, they're not performing monkeys at the end
of the day, are they.
Speaker 1: So No. No, But I think I think any any
sort of inanimate object that has the ability to to
behave in that way, I find particularly scary, to be honest.
Speaker 4: It's the way that come out of that thing. It's
really horrible.
Speaker 1: Can you I think.
Speaker 4: Danny was threatened to have his eyes burned out at
one point, to be killed, things.
Speaker 1: Like that, this is the witch? Is it that's attached
itself to There is.
Speaker 4: A witch, but there's also three other entities?
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But Jeanette has Jeanette has been quite vocal at times.
She will say things. I mean, I can't remember exactly
what she has said in the past, but.
Speaker 1: She's cool. Said something like a moss I you're moss
or something along those lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think she gets on with him, but I
don't think he gets on with her either.
Speaker 3: It's also made the sound of like a goat bleating
as well, hasn't it, and a child screaming and just
making other weird noises they had. It happened on Halloween,
was when no one was in the building five four
o'clock in the morning whenever it was just like a
blook gurdling scream come from that room and then you
could hear it saying I'm sorry or something.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's strange. I don't even fully believe in like haunted,
but it's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's quite disturbing, really, isn't it that? Yeah,
it's it's pretty unpleasant. Yeah. No, no dolls. I think
in particularly a lot of people have got four mes
anty about about dolls and clans. But won't we won't going,
we won't going to that. When I was having a
quick look on your on your first book page an
artist that you'd you'd been to, what was dub UK's
most haunted h castle?
Speaker 2: Oh that was Dudley Castle. So I also volunteer for
afterlife and spooky events, and I was invited to go
and host at Dudley Castle. So done myself there early
and just did a little mini episode.
Speaker 1: Wandering the grounds.
Speaker 2: And what was brilliant was we had one of the guides,
one of the ladies that works there, knows the place well,
and she gave us the full history and a full
tour of the grounds.
Speaker 1: That place is incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean I went on a wet and windy February night,
so I didn't get.
Speaker 1: The full effect, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It was horrible whether it was awful, but still the
bits I saw left me wanted more. We had little
bits of activity, things like k two meters going off
on their own on demand. Actually in the episode as well,
you'll hear we actually caught a whistle, a whistle from
nowhere when actually we've been asking for someone to make
a sound or.
Speaker 1: Make a whistle.
Speaker 2: But the whole place kind of gives just a vibe.
There's been a lot of it was around during the
English Civil War.
Speaker 1: There was a blaze I think.
Speaker 2: It was in seventeen fifty where there were some people
caught up in there. Jacob I think his name is
supposedly haunts the place.
Speaker 1: But what was interesting was.
Speaker 2: The lady that showed me around was giving me the
tales of a little girl that she'd seen a couple
of times, a little girl just running around that she
just catches now and again.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: And also there's a there's like a cafe there and
a pub that's named the Gray Lady. That's the most
that's the most famous spirit around the place. And it's
actually been caught not long ago on camera, right. But again,
there's various accounts of this Gray Lady wandering the grounds.
The story goes that she wasn't granted what she asked
for on her deathbed, so she asked for a husband
to be there and to be buried with a husband
or something, and it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: So she's believed to wonder the ground looking for him.
Speaker 2: So it's a wonderful place and I need to go
back a lot of history. There a lot of stories
about the place. I don't think I've got the full
effect that night because of the weather, and I'd love
to do it again.
Speaker 1: But whereabouts is it Dudley Castle?
Speaker 2: So actually it's on the top of a hill near
the zoo. So in the middle of Dudley itself, there's
there's the zoo that's on the side of a hill,
and they'll the castles right at the top and actually
you can still walk up one of the towers you
go to the top, and actually the view from the
top over the city is amazing to.
Speaker 1: Sort of Norman then in age or I think, yeah,
I think it goes way back.
Speaker 2: I think originally it was a wooden fort, so there's
been something there for an awful long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Norman times. Yeah, yeah, So it's probably
like probably built on the hills, probably a Motta Bayley
or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And another thing that's interesting about the site is it's
made of limestone, and there's a belief in the paranormal
community that limestone can hold energies. Whether it's true or not,
it's an interesting theory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard. I've heard similar I've got certain theories
about the area where I live on Pendal Hill and
why Pendle Hill is so active, not only in historical
terms obviously with the peddal which is but a lot
of UFO activity around here as well. So and that's
actually limestone and sandstone, so that's quite interesting. You mentioned that.
Speaker 2: It's certainly on the book at list. Is somewhere I
want to go to very soon. Yeah, Penal Hill.
Speaker 1: Well, by all means, let me know when you're here
and I'll take you on a guide to fantastic I
might take you up on that. No, don't mind at all, No, No,
it's it's interesting you mentioned about. I mean, geology is
something that we could go off for the tangent and
talk about. I think there's a lot of a lot
of links between paranormal activity and the geology of Worry
place is not only the history of what's gone on there,
but also where it is in in you know, terms
of like said, water is a very very important factor
as well. I think a lot of times so I
tend to find a lot of places near water, don't you,
that are particularly activity. So yeah, yeah, So, well, it's
been amazing talking to you, Talking to you guys. You've
obviously had some some really really interesting adventures. Shall we say,
have you got anything in the pipeline that you're particularly
looking forward to? I mean, obviously we'll be so much
about it, but any places you're going to in the
near future, I'll let you pronounce that whole rate go on.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I can't even remember it's called.
Speaker 1: I don't know it was going to be Welsh I
want to say Clannidole.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in Welshpool. We'll call it welsh Pool Hole.
So we've got that private hide so that will be nice.
It's just the three of us going there. Got a
new CCTV system already to go that we can take there,
so hopefully we catch some good stuff there.
Speaker 1: Excellent, So what what's your You've got a Facebook page
Japan as well as your YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've got Facebook the Northern Frights UK
Frights with a Z. It's the same on YouTube, and
then we also have a TikTok as well, which is
t n F dot UK.
Speaker 2: Find us on there.
Speaker 1: Excellent, good stuff. But it's been brilliant talking to you guys.
Thank you so much for coming on. It's been it's
been really really entertaining, and good luck with your future
investigations and you'll have to come back on again sometime
in the near future with when you can tell me
more about you the stuff that you've get on with
that backlog, Tom, and we need to talk about you
talk about all your investigations that are all are all
backed up. I know what it's like when you when
you're doing video editor. It's it's hard work, it really is.
But it's been great talking to all three. Thanks very
much for coming on, no problem at all, care and
good luck with your investigations.
Speaker 2: Thanks Craig Jeers than you can visit my website at
www dot Craig Bryant dot co dot uk.
Speaker 1: Paranormal Pendle will return and remember to keep watching the shadows.
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