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<v Speaker 2>Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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<v Speaker 2>much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman

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<v Speaker 2>Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you listening. If you had to

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<v Speaker 2>have an encounter with a dog man, do you think

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<v Speaker 2>it could be better if it was just a regular

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<v Speaker 2>dog man or a mutated one. Well, considering the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that tonight's guest encountered would appear to be a mutated one,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he'd be the perfect person to ask that

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<v Speaker 2>question without any further ado. Having said that, let's bring

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<v Speaker 2>him in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight's guest wish is to mean anonymous, and with that

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<v Speaker 2>in mind, I'm just gonna call him Pancho. Poncho, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, how are y'all?

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<v Speaker 2>That's great having you here. Pancho, please give us a

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<v Speaker 2>brief bio in yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Brief bio is I'm a I'm an avid outdoorsman. I

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<v Speaker 1>love going outdoors, although I haven't been outdoors quite a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in the last few years just because of all

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<v Speaker 1>everything that's been going on. I'm a veteran. Uh I Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, I I love I love dogs, I

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<v Speaker 1>love I love animals. I love you know, farm life,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to say, what everyone call it, like

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<v Speaker 1>being outdoors. Uh uh. I don't know what to say

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<v Speaker 1>about me. I don't I don't talk about myself a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh uh, you know, I don't drink. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>drink a lot. Not much of a party animal. But

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<v Speaker 1>I like to get out and I like to get

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<v Speaker 1>out and out in the woods. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes when I'm up in tree stands or out in

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<v Speaker 1>the river or wherever I'm at, I'm as close to

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<v Speaker 1>God as I'm ever going to get.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say you are as close to God. Well, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>get closer after you leave this world. But well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand what you mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you so much for your service to our country.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>The recruiter lied Tomy, I was doing it for the chicks.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, they love the uniform.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they normally do.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, I am. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Those guys will tell you anything to get you to

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<v Speaker 2>sign it. Yeah, they definitely will. Considering all that time

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<v Speaker 2>you've spent in the outdoors. He said that you're an

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<v Speaker 2>avid outdoors man. And also you spend all that time

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<v Speaker 2>in the service. What's been the most frightening thing that's

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<v Speaker 2>happened to you that didn't involve a dog man or

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<v Speaker 2>a sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 1>Most frightened thing, you know, snow skiing. For whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my that's my one. Uh, that's my one. Like

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<v Speaker 1>irrational fear. I think it was. Uh, I think was.

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<v Speaker 1>We were in manans Manasses, Virginians skin and we're skiing along.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked to my left. I've seen a tree well,

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<v Speaker 1>and I looked down there and I said, if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>goes down there, they're dead. They ain't coming out. And

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<v Speaker 1>I looked up in my group. Since I was learning

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<v Speaker 1>to ski, they were, you know, seventy five hundred yards

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<v Speaker 1>in front of me. Maybe not that far, but well,

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<v Speaker 1>when they went down, they all went down out of sight.

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<v Speaker 1>But it looked like it was a straight road or

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<v Speaker 1>like a straight trail because it was a pretty simple trail. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>For whatever reason, that stuck with me. I can't explain

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<v Speaker 1>why it's snow skiing, but uh, yeah, that and that's

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<v Speaker 1>that I wouldn't say that was even scary. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>how I developed that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think if if I had to say so, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the actual scariest thing ever. I mean, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the seeing the bullet that was going to hit me,

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<v Speaker 1>but it went right over my head because I thankfully

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<v Speaker 1>I stepped down from off coming off a roadbed and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember looking up and it was the first round

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<v Speaker 1>fire and it went straight over my head. I just

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<v Speaker 1>seen an orange dot with a little black tip on

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<v Speaker 1>go right over my head. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, thank goodness he did step down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was it was like perfect timing.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, i'd say it wasn't goodness and that I like.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I I saw the one that was meant

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<v Speaker 1>for me, and it missed me by about three foot

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<v Speaker 1>and that's about how far I went down the hill.

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<v Speaker 1>But the guy behind me coming down the same trail

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<v Speaker 1>was about eight. He was he was he was an

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<v Speaker 1>Asian dude, so but he was probably at least a

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<v Speaker 1>good foot shorter than me foot and a half shorter

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm six four. So but yeah, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>went right over his head too. I just turned around

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<v Speaker 1>and said, did you see that? He said, get down anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>long story.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Yeah, that sounds like good advice to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>since you had an encounter with what would appear to

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<v Speaker 2>be a mutated dog man, like I said in the opening,

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<v Speaker 2>you're the perfect person to ask this question if you

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<v Speaker 2>had your drothers, would you rather have an encounter with

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<v Speaker 2>a normal looking dog man, a normal dog man, or

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<v Speaker 2>a mutated one like the one you encountered.

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<v Speaker 1>The one I saw it wasn't It wasn't scary. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was there was nothing scary about it. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no like, I didn't see any exposed teeth, the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the uh it's it's it's face or it's muzzle. Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not to interrupt you there upon you, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on to any details about that guy until after

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<v Speaker 2>I asked you to tell us about your encounter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd much rather just run into what I ran

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<v Speaker 1>into again. Is it? It just looked like when it

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<v Speaker 1>when it turned and faced me for the second time,

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<v Speaker 1>it just looked like, hey, dude, you're cool, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>or or he loved me or something. I just felt

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like once it once I got after about

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<v Speaker 1>a half a second looking at it, I just thought,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that is, it's not it doesn't mean you no harm,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank goodness with that. Yeah, definitely. In our first conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>you said that your dog mean encounter didn't leave you traumatized,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just explain, why does that mean that you're

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<v Speaker 2>open or even hoping to have another encounter with a

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<v Speaker 2>dog man or maybe even that same one or are

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<v Speaker 2>you good?

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<v Speaker 1>H You know, I wouldn't mind seeing it again if

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<v Speaker 1>it was the same one, I think. I think maybe

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<v Speaker 1>if there's lines of communication that we could go down,

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<v Speaker 1>or some kind of mutual respect that we can discover

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<v Speaker 1>about each other, I don't think I think that would

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<v Speaker 1>be cool. I mean, I wouldn't mind it if if

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<v Speaker 1>I had, if it kept coming to my house the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, I wouldn't. It wouldn't bother me,

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<v Speaker 1>is what I saw. Like I said, I wasn't real

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<v Speaker 1>scared of it. I mean at first I was in shock,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was going so fast at the time. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it happens really fast when you're on the bicyt. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, as you can say that that's a really

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<v Speaker 2>good thing, because as sure beats the pants off you

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<v Speaker 2>being traumatized and having a hard time doing what you

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<v Speaker 2>need to do in life. Fake goodness, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>It could after the fact, or well no, actually, right

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<v Speaker 1>when it happened, I knew. I was like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I said this in the story. I knew positively It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm either going to be dead or I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a good story. And that's literally what I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I thought, it's either going to kill

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<v Speaker 1>me because it's arms gonna come out and just grab

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<v Speaker 1>me as I go by, or I'm gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>good story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you're right about the second part. You do

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<v Speaker 2>have a good story. And speaking of that, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>to it now. Please tell us all about that experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. I had just moved from Oklahoma up here to

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri with my Family's got some land down south here,

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<v Speaker 1>south of where I'm living now, and so i'd been

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<v Speaker 1>in this area before, but back in the mid eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And it was just to play ghosts in

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<v Speaker 1>the graveyard with some uncles and well cousins of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>not uncles, but cousins of mine. And I've been in

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<v Speaker 1>the area down there at the Greenville the Lower Greenville

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<v Speaker 1>or what they call Old Greenville State or state park

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<v Speaker 1>slash campground. Now, I've been down there, but when I

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<v Speaker 1>was down there, there was no paved trails, that's there

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<v Speaker 1>were the camp sites weren't there. There was just all trees.

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<v Speaker 1>There was like little playground or what have you. But

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<v Speaker 1>the cousins, being so much older than me, they all

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just went their way and kind of left me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't get much ghost in the graveyard. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a military cemetery there on the on the

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<v Speaker 1>facility on in the in the campground, and there's two

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<v Speaker 1>of the unknown soldiers, not maybe three or four miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>Then down on a F F Highway is where my

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<v Speaker 1>And once I get kind of got my feet on

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<v Speaker 1>decided one weekend to go out there to the back

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<v Speaker 1>trail out there, and I just you know, i've mountain

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<v Speaker 1>bike with my dog. I was training him training at

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<v Speaker 1>Sabo to you know, ride with me. You know, paved

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<v Speaker 1>trails perfect. So we go down there one weekend and

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<v Speaker 1>we were driving down there and get down there and

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<v Speaker 1>I just as we get to the park, I realized

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<v Speaker 1>that there's some signs out that says, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>campground's closed. You know, park is closed. D da da

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<v Speaker 1>da dah. And I'm thinking, yeah, whatever, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>I get on the trail, you put on my gear

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<v Speaker 1>on whatever, now mine you it's January's and it's cold out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the first, if not the second week of January.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cold out, and you know, had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>of rain and what have you that that month. And

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<v Speaker 1>going on. And I got on my bike. We rode

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<v Speaker 1>into the Midway cafe. Had something to eat, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that day. I can't remember what I had now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>burger and shake or something, or I always get a

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate dip cone because that's where one of my uncles.

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<v Speaker 1>We used to go there all the time. When we'd

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<v Speaker 1>go to our property, we'd stop buy it there. We

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<v Speaker 1>out there. We always get a soft Incombe, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that was that week and I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>i'm'll come back next weekend. So the second weekend, we

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<v Speaker 1>but it was earlier than the last time the week before,

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<v Speaker 1>got it seemed like it was at least nine o'clock,

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<v Speaker 1>eight thirty nine o'clock in the morning we were pulling in. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe later. I didn't check the time. But if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody goes down to the Greenville Green that that area

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a there's a river access points, got a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the There's there's like a an old ferry

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<v Speaker 1>on a boat, on a on a raft. There's some

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<v Speaker 1>history there there. There's part of the there's an old

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<v Speaker 1>Civil War skirmish took place on the on the property.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a trail of tears went right through old Greenville

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day, they you know, some one of

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<v Speaker 1>the sad event. I can't believe that's stuff's happened anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So but as we're going down that road, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, what the you know, was that? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what what am I what sensation? As I as I

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<v Speaker 1>realized or as I'm going through trying to figure this out,

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<v Speaker 1>and black Hughes helicopter or I don't think Hughes makes anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a bell, but it's an old, huge

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, I was thinking, oh, it's an old

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<v Speaker 1>joy riding whatever they're doing. And as I make the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of turn off the park or turn off into

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<v Speaker 1>the into the parking area for the boat ram, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going through this in my mind. I turn right

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of get or it's hard to say, but

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<v Speaker 1>then I look off to my right, underneath the bridge

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<v Speaker 1>where sixty seven goes over the river. I look down there.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some vehicles down there. Well, I go park and

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<v Speaker 1>I realize, being that I used to work for the

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<v Speaker 1>Corps of Engineers, there's two Corp of Engineer police vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>two State Game War vehicles, and a pickup truck with

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<v Speaker 1>sitting everything and I didn't know it was a fuel

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<v Speaker 1>tank at first. And there's some ATVs as well. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just remember, oh, well, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here. I'm not going back. I mean, it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>two hour ride down here. I'm gonna jump back and

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<v Speaker 1>or get my stuff on. And when I say getting

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<v Speaker 1>my stuff on, I'm decked out. I got like an

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<v Speaker 1>orange construction jacket on. My bicycle's orange tables, got an

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<v Speaker 1>orange jacket out, I got orange gloves on. It's you know, January.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna get out in the woods and not

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<v Speaker 1>wear on right and uh so, but I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys are over in the main parking lot, over

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<v Speaker 1>by where the playground is and the bathrooms and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably so they could warm up, get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the weather or whatever. But anyway, there's a trail that

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<v Speaker 1>goes off, you know, kind of on the north side

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<v Speaker 1>of the park. I took that trail, and I rode

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<v Speaker 1>right back at them. They didn't wait, they didn't look,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't yell at me, they didn't nothing. And I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. I get down there, and I remember I

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<v Speaker 1>took the right hand turn there, and then there's a

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<v Speaker 1>little trail. You can either go straight through the campground

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<v Speaker 1>or you go right, and there's an old they are

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<v Speaker 1>not old, but they got a trail that that basically

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<v Speaker 1>cuts through the old town of Greenville where there's some

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<v Speaker 1>old foundations and sidewalks and street signs, and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>few park benches and well, uh not park benches, but

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<v Speaker 1>chairs and seating and stuff that you go by. And

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm cruising down there, and just you know, going

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<v Speaker 1>to ride the same trail I rode the weekend before.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go down there and there's a I get

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<v Speaker 1>on the trail and I'm cruise now. Also, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I mentioned this when the last time I

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<v Speaker 1>told the story. I have a little I have a

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<v Speaker 1>bluetooth speaker on my bicycle that I'm just blasting. I

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<v Speaker 1>like to and for whatever reason, I like to blast,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a tribal or American, tribal Indian music drums,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what have you. And uh so I'm blasting

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<v Speaker 1>that as loud as I as loud as I speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Real go and I'm going down this trail. I get

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<v Speaker 1>all the way down to Mountain. I would say, let's

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<v Speaker 1>just call it the halfway point. Where there's a y

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<v Speaker 1>in the trail. You can go left and you go

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<v Speaker 1>over to the Saint Francis River, or you can go

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<v Speaker 1>straight and go into Greenville. And uh, I like to

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<v Speaker 1>go over and I do some recreational activity over there

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<v Speaker 1>at the at the at the table, and I jump

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<v Speaker 1>back on my bike and go into Greenville. And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's by now. It's it's eleven o'clock. Probably I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I want to keep it track of no time. But uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I eat something, grab another cone or whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I ate, get back on my bike and I get

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<v Speaker 1>stable straightened out. When we get across the street, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a dollar General. There's a a little you know, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>surp not surplus store, but like a what do you

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<v Speaker 1>call it? A hardware store? And then a bank. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I pull up to where the sidewalk kind of ends

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<v Speaker 1>there at the bank, and I'm letting Sabo off and

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<v Speaker 1>I look down at him, and he's coiled up, like

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<v Speaker 1>ready to strike, and I thought, well, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a he's a he's a high high, high maintenance dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Not maintenance, but just high energy dog. And maybe he's

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<v Speaker 1>just ready to go, you know, you know, he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>doing so good, I thought he would just follow me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Well, he takes off towards a highway and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what because I didn't really I didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And he took he took off on what

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was immediately I knew he was he was

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<v Speaker 1>tracking something. I mean, he was, he was. He had

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<v Speaker 1>taken a pursuit angle, like you were doing football. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy catches football and you run, you run in

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<v Speaker 1>front of him to catch him, right, And he was

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<v Speaker 1>on some sort of a pursuit angle, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>not just what the heck are you doing? Some yellow

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<v Speaker 1>for him? Yellow for him? I kind of ride up

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<v Speaker 1>the trail towards there and there's a there's a tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>that goes underneath the highway. Well before that is where

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<v Speaker 1>he where he stopped off giving chase, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>he got he ran through the open field to the

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<v Speaker 1>to where the vegetation line was, and then he just

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<v Speaker 1>cut off and he just turned around and ran right

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<v Speaker 1>to me, jogged right up to me like nothing never happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hook him back into the least and I'm like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that no more, you know, trying to trying

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<v Speaker 1>to teach you the rights and wrongs. The whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, I'm about to lose my dog. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>even a year old now, you know. And uh he

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<v Speaker 1>might have been eleven months I think that was. I

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<v Speaker 1>know he was, that would have been thirteen months old.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have been, Yeah, he's thirteen months old then,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh so I just hooking back in. I get

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<v Speaker 1>to riding and it's kind of a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>open uphill until you get underneath the bridge where there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of uphill. When you get past the tunnel,

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<v Speaker 1>you get you know, you go through the tunnel and

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<v Speaker 1>then pass that just a little litle bit of uphill

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<v Speaker 1>and it starts a downhill. Well we got up to

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<v Speaker 1>about I don't know, I wasn't out of the out

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<v Speaker 1>of the tunnel more than twenty thirty yards. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let's try this again. Let's let him off

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<v Speaker 1>the leash. And I let him off the leash and boom,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone. Well, no, he ran for we. I got

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<v Speaker 1>back on my bike, start peddling, and then boom, he

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<v Speaker 1>just takes off again. But he goes up to the

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<v Speaker 1>top of this hill and he's kind of running the

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<v Speaker 1>ridge line like just I mean, I can see him.

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<v Speaker 1>So I start pedaling and I'm trying to keep up

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<v Speaker 1>and and I'm on this big twenty nine inch bike,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm up pretty high and I'm peddling. I'm yelling

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<v Speaker 1>at I'm like, hey, come on, dude. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember my music was going. I don't remember what song

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<v Speaker 1>was playing or whatever, but it was, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it was tribal music. So I'm going and I just

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<v Speaker 1>keep yelling at him, yelling at him. So I come

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<v Speaker 1>to the top of the hill. When you get to

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the hill, and it starts going downhill,

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<v Speaker 1>and I start getting up some speed and I look

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<v Speaker 1>up and there is still still on the top on

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<v Speaker 1>the ridge line. I'm like, you know, he's wearing oinge.

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<v Speaker 1>I can I can see him for a distance, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say it. I just looked forward and as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming down the straightaway, I look up on this

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<v Speaker 1>hill where it kind of there's there's he's on this

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<v Speaker 1>ridge line, and then there's a little saddle and then

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<v Speaker 1>it comes up to this next hill and it goes

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<v Speaker 1>up again, and then there's another ridge line. But that

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<v Speaker 1>ridge line kind of runs runs left and right in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me. And and if you follow that ridge

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<v Speaker 1>line right across it, he would like create imagine their

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<v Speaker 1>line across it will across my trail again. Where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>riding my bike and I look up and I see

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<v Speaker 1>this big, I mean, just hulking gray object, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking what And when I saw it, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to think. I just thought, whoa, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>because it looked like to me, I imagined that he

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<v Speaker 1>had just come to a stop like it was running

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<v Speaker 1>away from us, and then did one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>degree turn and and and when it did it, it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like it literally like planet its left foot picked

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<v Speaker 1>up its right foot and pivoted on its right foot

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<v Speaker 1>but kind of raising its knee up, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>turned and let that leg down, stopped and then like

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<v Speaker 1>like it was looking for Sabo because he had a

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<v Speaker 1>bell on too. He has a bell on his on

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<v Speaker 1>his leash all the time, so he might have been

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<v Speaker 1>looking at that or seeing that, because on my bicycle

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<v Speaker 1>he might not. I don't know if he saw me

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<v Speaker 1>or heard me or what it was, but he looked

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<v Speaker 1>over at Sable and I thought, oh, god, he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to eat my dog, you know, or whatever. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it looked and it saw me, and I said, what

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<v Speaker 1>is that? You know kind of deal, and and then

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<v Speaker 1>it turned and made a left face, did a ninety

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<v Speaker 1>degree tack, turned to the left, and when it took

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<v Speaker 1>off started running, picked up its one leg. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just like a train, just like like like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a steam driven piston, you know. Just it took three

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<v Speaker 1>good steps before it actually got moving at a decent speed.

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<v Speaker 1>But once he got going, I was like, oh, And

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<v Speaker 1>at the whole time, I'm thinking what you know? And

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<v Speaker 1>I also thought as soon as I saw it and

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<v Speaker 1>it started turning, everything, I thought, well, that thing's it's smooth.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see any texture to it. There's no you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's it's it looked like a like an old mid

417
00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:13.559
<v Speaker 1>eighties jogging suit, like gray jogging suits. I'm like, is

418
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.880
<v Speaker 1>that a jogger. If that's a jogger, there's nobody over,

419
00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:19.119
<v Speaker 1>there's nobody jogging over seven foot tall, that's you know.

420
00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:22.319
<v Speaker 1>All these things are going through my mind and I'm like,

421
00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:26.160
<v Speaker 1>and I just remember it and it's hands. When it moved,

422
00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:27.960
<v Speaker 1>it was like if you tuck your thumb into your

423
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.599
<v Speaker 1>middle fingers, and that's what it looked like. It looked

424
00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:35.079
<v Speaker 1>like just like you know, and it just started churning,

425
00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:37.039
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like it was. It was running, but

426
00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:40.119
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't normal. It wasn't It wasn't like an athletic,

427
00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you know runner it was doing. It was more like

428
00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:44.880
<v Speaker 1>a I don't know what you would call it, but uh,

429
00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's a scientific term for it. But then

430
00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:50.960
<v Speaker 1>as it was running, I realized, I'm and as I'm

431
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.119
<v Speaker 1>picking up speed going down this hill, and i know

432
00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of outrunning running Sabo now because I'm I

433
00:22:55.799 --> 00:23:01.559
<v Speaker 1>got the I'm using gravity, and uh, this thing runs

434
00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:04.880
<v Speaker 1>across this trail and it stops on this tree and

435
00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:10.519
<v Speaker 1>it just goes just like that, stops and I look

436
00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:12.640
<v Speaker 1>at it and I see its face now and I

437
00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:14.720
<v Speaker 1>see it and all I can tell is it's muzzle

438
00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:17.720
<v Speaker 1>isn't long like most dogs. It isn't short like a pug,

439
00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:20.680
<v Speaker 1>somewhere in between kind of I would say, kind of

440
00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:24.079
<v Speaker 1>like a mountain lion, cougarish leath, you know, just not

441
00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:28.240
<v Speaker 1>not pug, not not full full muzzle. And it had

442
00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:35.160
<v Speaker 1>like inverted triangle, you know, patch of black and I

443
00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and then when I first saw it, I thought it

444
00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:38.960
<v Speaker 1>had it had a hood on with like I said,

445
00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.519
<v Speaker 1>I headphones on, which would make it a little bit

446
00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:43.960
<v Speaker 1>bigger than its face and everything. But it looked like

447
00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:46.920
<v Speaker 1>it was just wearing a hoodie. But it was kind of,

448
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, just kind of bigger than what you

449
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:51.519
<v Speaker 1>you know. It just made it look like it was

450
00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:53.960
<v Speaker 1>big ears or something, but it wasn't. It was it was.

451
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:56.759
<v Speaker 1>I didn't I don't remember seeing ears so much as

452
00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:01.319
<v Speaker 1>I saw that hoodie, the shape of the hoodie. But

453
00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:04.400
<v Speaker 1>uh so it crosses the road, it looks like it

454
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:06.519
<v Speaker 1>looks at me like that, and I get half a

455
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:09.599
<v Speaker 1>second and that's where I thought, oh, shoot, this thing

456
00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:11.960
<v Speaker 1>is either gonna it's gonna reach out from behind that tree.

457
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.160
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna take me off the bike, and it's I'm dunzies.

458
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:16.920
<v Speaker 1>And I thought to myself, I said, I don't care.

459
00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:19.799
<v Speaker 1>It's just gonna pedal faster. I'm a pedal hard and

460
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>at this point in my life, I don't care, you know.

461
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:31.759
<v Speaker 1>I just I just I was ready to I I

462
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:33.599
<v Speaker 1>knew for a fact I was either gonna it was

463
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:35.880
<v Speaker 1>my life was gonna end right then and there, or

464
00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna have a great experience or a story

465
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>to tell it, you know. And uh, it did this

466
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:47.519
<v Speaker 1>like a I call it a dip out like people say, hey,

467
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.359
<v Speaker 1>I got a dip you know, like like I gotta leave.

468
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:52.079
<v Speaker 1>It just kind of took a let he kind of

469
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.480
<v Speaker 1>just like like when his hands was like this, he

470
00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:56.960
<v Speaker 1>just kind of lowered his hands, took a left step

471
00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:59.440
<v Speaker 1>behind that tree where I couldn't see it no more.

472
00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.240
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't two or three seconds later. I was

473
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:05.440
<v Speaker 1>not more than five at the most eight feet away

474
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.599
<v Speaker 1>from where it was standing. And I looked over my

475
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>shoulder as I passed by it still speeding, and it's

476
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 1>gone now. Mind you, When I say it took that

477
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.319
<v Speaker 1>left step. Everything to the left, it's an old railroad

478
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:20.720
<v Speaker 1>grade through there. Everything to the left of that where

479
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>he stepped, which would be my right, is downhill into water.

480
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Because of all the rain, the melt off, and just

481
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 1>the high water levels, there was eight ten inches of

482
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>water down there. I didn't see anything down there. Nothing

483
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:38.640
<v Speaker 1>was moving, nothing was running. So I stopped. I wasn't

484
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:41.480
<v Speaker 1>thirty forty yards from where I passed that tree, and

485
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.279
<v Speaker 1>I stopped, and I'm calling for Sabo now, and he's

486
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.160
<v Speaker 1>running down that hill. I mean, he was right on it.

487
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I know for a fact he was chasing whatever that was.

488
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:54.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm saying it's a dog man. Now that

489
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I've had some time to reflect on it, I started

490
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>looking for after the fact. That's kind of how I

491
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.839
<v Speaker 1>got involved with some of the other programs that I

492
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:05.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, what's what, and then you know, led me

493
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 1>to you. I was doing a little research and I thought, Nephi, Liam,

494
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, well I learned of uh the Egyptian Uh well,

495
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:20.079
<v Speaker 1>I can't even think of now, but anyway, so I

496
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>thought Sable came down the hill. I'm kind of spasling

497
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.119
<v Speaker 1>right now, but Sable came down the hill and he

498
00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>ran right up to that tree where I saw him

499
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 1>last him or her, And he came up to that

500
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>tree and then he was he turned off. Now sable.

501
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:36.519
<v Speaker 1>When he's on, he's on, and when he's off, he's off.

502
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 1>And I knew he was like he had switch flipped

503
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:40.680
<v Speaker 1>on him. He's like, oh, I'm done, and he runs

504
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:42.960
<v Speaker 1>right to me and I hook him in and I'm thinking,

505
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, I stop and I probably sit there for

506
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, two three minutes at the most, going

507
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:50.839
<v Speaker 1>all right, if this thing's going to jump out from

508
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>behind the tree, he bring his family, and I didn't

509
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 1>know what was going to happen next. It's just like

510
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.279
<v Speaker 1>I was prepared for it. I didn't go for my gun.

511
00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:59.759
<v Speaker 1>I just was like I was just pretty pretty much

512
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:02.359
<v Speaker 1>just like I can't believe. I just saw that, you know.

513
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 1>And at this time, I'd been seeing a lot of stuff,

514
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot of UFOs, and I had a previous experience

515
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.759
<v Speaker 1>three months before. We won't get into it just yet,

516
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:18.880
<v Speaker 1>but that was something else. And I pedaled my bike

517
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.599
<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't know. It's forty fifty more yards and

518
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>there's goes up a little hill and there's a there's

519
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>a table there, park table, and I think the trash

520
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.880
<v Speaker 1>cans since been moved or gone, but there's a park

521
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:33.319
<v Speaker 1>table there. And I just sat there for I don't know,

522
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>fifteen twenty minutes, thirty minutes, you know, just trying to

523
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>soak all this in and figure out what I was

524
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:43.279
<v Speaker 1>going to do next. And I guess, you know, me

525
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.640
<v Speaker 1>being me, I thought, you know, i'm by myself. I'm

526
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:50.440
<v Speaker 1>not really ready to get into the woods. That thing

527
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>is big. Whatever I was going through my mind then,

528
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>that just was ready to get out of there. So

529
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I loaded him up and we got out of there.

530
00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>And as we're pedaling back, we go past those rangers

531
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 1>again and they're just and now I heard the helicopter

532
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:10.599
<v Speaker 1>on the way back, but I didn't see it, but

533
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.799
<v Speaker 1>the helicopter was landed there, so I assumed, you know, well,

534
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:17.559
<v Speaker 1>it's a state doing something, and pretty sure it was.

535
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>They were hunting hogs, but I didn't know, so I

536
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.279
<v Speaker 1>just kind of passed them up. I won't go and

537
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>talk to him. I you know, i'd do the same

538
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>for Bigfoot. I was like, you know what, before I

539
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>tell anybody what I just saw, especially when I know

540
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.119
<v Speaker 1>these people are armed, because they were using a pretty

541
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>high end Vanelli shotgun twelve gate shotgun that I saw

542
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.559
<v Speaker 1>the second time I saw the helicopter. I know that

543
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 1>they were using a Banelli shotgun not the first time,

544
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.319
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't see any guns the first time. But

545
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 1>so I went to my truck from there and just

546
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to kind of soak all this in and get

547
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 1>get out of my cause I got this really cool

548
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 1>set of cover alls. I like, I'm taking them all off,

549
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>and there's no sooner and I'm done getting or getting

550
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:05.799
<v Speaker 1>ready to get in the truck and get out of there.

551
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>A Nissan I think, I want to say it was

552
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>a Titan, that a maroon Nissan Titan pulls up and

553
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 1>a lady gets out and she's like, hey, what's going on?

554
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 1>And I remember just kind of being being me, you know,

555
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, hey, you know, uh, you know,

556
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.839
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing much I got to I just you know,

557
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I just turned the conversation into me. I was like, yeah,

558
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I got a good job of driving a nice truck,

559
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of like what you doing, like hey, hey,

560
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of flirting with her a little bit,

561
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, in a cute little way. And then the

562
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>guy that gets out of the driver's seat, and it

563
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't hit me because I've got so many uncles. I mean,

564
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I come by that just my mom or just my

565
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.720
<v Speaker 1>mom's side of the family. I know there's there's at

566
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:56.200
<v Speaker 1>least twenty two grandkids or children of my grandfather's he's

567
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I've got twenty two aunts and uncles that and then

568
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>four are adopted. Uh so there's there's there's really twenty six.

569
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.039
<v Speaker 1>And then we found we found out at least two,

570
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.519
<v Speaker 1>if not three, since then our children and my grandfather.

571
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>My grandfather was ladies man. I guess you'd say so.

572
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.799
<v Speaker 1>I had three grandmother's long story. But so one of

573
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:22.799
<v Speaker 1>them gets out of the truck and I swear to goodness,

574
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 1>like I said, it didn't hit me at the time

575
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 1>because it's one of the uncles I don't know very well,

576
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.599
<v Speaker 1>but I swear it was one of my uncles got

577
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:31.799
<v Speaker 1>out and you know, here I am joking around with

578
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend, wife whatever, and uh, it just didn't hit

579
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>me until after I after the fact, a few days later.

580
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:41.759
<v Speaker 1>I think it was when I was like, was that

581
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>one of my uncles? I haven't you know, I don't

582
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:45.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't talk to that side of the family very

583
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 1>much anymore because it's some other family issues, you know.

584
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that that was. That was it, you know,

585
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>that was pretty much you know, And I didn't And

586
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it was a few days later that I came home

587
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.039
<v Speaker 1>and had another event. But I don't know what it was.

588
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 1>I was. I was in the backside of the property

589
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>here where I walk my dog, and it was oh, well,

590
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, it was dark. It was ten

591
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>thirty eleven o'clock and it was still kind of winter.

592
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>It might have been February by now by the time

593
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 1>this happened for all I know, but it was still

594
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>pold and I can't remember if there's snow on the

595
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.039
<v Speaker 1>ground that day or not. But I remember walking Sabo

596
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 1>out back and there's a hill there where there's a

597
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.039
<v Speaker 1>retaining wall, but you can there's a portion of it

598
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>where you can still walk up and there's no you know,

599
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.119
<v Speaker 1>where the retaining wall ends. You can kind of walk up,

600
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and there's another parking lot there, and there's a trail

601
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 1>where I always take Sable. Well, this big dog goes.

602
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was every minut as big, but as

603
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:47.759
<v Speaker 1>of a Dalmatian, not Dalmatian. All those big old Marmaduke dogs. Anyway,

604
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 1>big dog. It just went trotting into that trail where

605
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Sable and I go all the time. And I'm sitting

606
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>there thinking, oh, the one day I don't bring my flashlight,

607
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, and this happens, and I just I

608
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 1>just take Sable and we just go right back under

609
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>the house. We just I was like, whatever, you know,

610
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 1>and I just kind of blew that off, you know.

611
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 1>And it took me a few, I don't know a

612
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.559
<v Speaker 1>few times to even realize that could have maybe been

613
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>that thing may have followed me. I don't know if

614
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>it was, or it could have just been a straight dog.

615
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>But I ain't seen it since. And usually if you

616
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>see a straight dog, you know, especially with all the

617
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>food and stuff that's around here, you're probably gonna see

618
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>it again. But I've never seen that dog again. But

619
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 1>with what little light I could see in the distance

620
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>from the light, it was it was just a dark

621
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 1>it was just a shadow basically, by the time I

622
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:41.480
<v Speaker 1>saw it, it was a dark shadow. No I don't

623
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>say it was black, but it was either brown or gray,

624
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But uh, but that's my pretty much

625
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:50.319
<v Speaker 1>my whole dog man experience.

626
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really does make you wonder if the second

627
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.359
<v Speaker 2>one that you saw there was a dog man or

628
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.839
<v Speaker 2>if it was just a big straight dog. It's really

629
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 2>hard to say. And of course, not everything that runs

630
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>around on all four legs, and you know this, not

631
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 2>everything that runs around on all four legs out there

632
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.039
<v Speaker 2>that is can it in appearance is a dog man?

633
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:17.079
<v Speaker 2>And we talked about that before. You're the first one

634
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>to acknowledge that fact. But it really does make you

635
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:21.799
<v Speaker 2>wonder if it was that big, what it was.

636
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, and if it was, it wasn't as big

637
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:26.799
<v Speaker 1>as it was, if it was the same thing, it

638
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.440
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the same size. It was big, but it wasn't

639
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.559
<v Speaker 1>as big as what I saw that day that that first,

640
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>the first experience I had with a dog man. It

641
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>was not that big because this thing, I mean, it

642
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>had to be I'm must say nine to And I

643
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 1>went back out there and kind of used the tree

644
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>to kind of figure without a ruler. I kind of

645
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:51.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe on the high side, twelve feet I doubt it,

646
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>but i' must say nine ten foot for sure. You know,

647
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.519
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty big, and it just it was it

648
00:33:57.559 --> 00:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>looked just like if to me when it turned to

649
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.519
<v Speaker 1>its and it just looked like a dog if it

650
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 1>would even put its legs up on a tree or

651
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.559
<v Speaker 1>something and stretch out. That chest was just very pronounced,

652
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:12.320
<v Speaker 1>very very much so like a like a dog, and

653
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 1>very skinny at the waist. But it seemed like to

654
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.400
<v Speaker 1>me it's legs and everything were just not in the

655
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.559
<v Speaker 1>right portion. It just and then the way it took

656
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>off and chugged those first three times, I almost thought

657
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it was wounded or maybe with it in its color,

658
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>in its smoothness, I was just like, man, that thing

659
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 1>was in some kind of transformational stage, like it was

660
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.599
<v Speaker 1>about to you know, beat me up, Scottie or something

661
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of heal. And but I didn't. I don't remember

662
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:41.760
<v Speaker 1>seeing a tail, and I don't remember seeing fur. I

663
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>just remember it was literally like it was just wearing

664
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 1>a jogging suit, very smooth texture, you know, and your

665
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.119
<v Speaker 1>arms were big and muscular, like like kind of like

666
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the ones that you know on your little picture there

667
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>on the left of the screen. They were just like straight,

668
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, just there weren't defined. There weren't nothing but

669
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:08.320
<v Speaker 1>his back his rear legs. Look, I mean, there was

670
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a distinct difference. They were like big and muscular and

671
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 1>just misproportion when it turned and it had that leg

672
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>up and it just went chug, chug chug, and I

673
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>say chug, but you get it, and it just but

674
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.039
<v Speaker 1>it ran through the woods. There wasn't and I've been

675
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>back there Samson walked that ridge line and there's a

676
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of stuff that slowed me down, and this

677
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.320
<v Speaker 1>thing was gaining speed. There wasn't nothing stopping and going

678
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.280
<v Speaker 1>through there. But I didn't, you know, with the wind

679
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and the music going and everything. What's odd though, I've

680
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 1>been back fifteen twenty times since then, But now when

681
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I go through that area, I do not get a

682
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.679
<v Speaker 1>signal from my phone in that area no more. So

683
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't hear any music when I go through that

684
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:56.159
<v Speaker 1>area anymore. And I don't know why, but now most

685
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>every time I stop, I stop, and I and I

686
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.320
<v Speaker 1>probably can't remember exactly what tree it was. And I

687
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>wish if I'd had more wherewithal about me, I would

688
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>have stopped and looked for footprints and marked the tree,

689
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, and all that, and took pictures. But I

690
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to get out of there. And yeah, because

691
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 1>it was just a really eery feeling, because you know

692
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>when you when you're sitting there, you think, you know,

693
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 1>with everything I've been through in my life, like, hey,

694
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I may be dead in the next few seconds. I

695
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of didn't want to die there, you know. So

696
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>but I still know know when I go back and

697
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't let the experience, you know, get

698
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.199
<v Speaker 1>to me or nothing. I go back there. I didn't

699
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>go back there for a good probably six eight weeks

700
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:43.199
<v Speaker 1>after that, but I've been back quite a few times

701
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.519
<v Speaker 1>after that and since then. But now I just sit

702
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 1>there and I talk to it, you know, I don't.

703
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.159
<v Speaker 1>There's people come around the woods and their little electric bikes,

704
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, hearing me talking because I speak out loud

705
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>when I talk to them now. But I'm just like,

706
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.679
<v Speaker 1>if you're out there, you know, I'd love to see

707
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 1>it again, you know kind of deal. But uh, yeah,

708
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>it was just can't explain it. I mean, it's it's it.

709
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>We were talking before the show. You know, I wouldn't

710
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:18.800
<v Speaker 1>have probably seen it again. I would.

711
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, as long as you can say that, then that's

712
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>a good thing. That's a really good thing. And he

713
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.519
<v Speaker 2>said it didn't look like it was injured to you

714
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 2>making a move the way it did, But do you

715
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.199
<v Speaker 2>think it might have been sick? And that's why it

716
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:33.599
<v Speaker 2>looked the way that it did.

717
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was thinking it could have been injured. It

718
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.199
<v Speaker 1>was like I think my first thoughts were, it's either

719
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>injured or in some kind of transformational phase, which is

720
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>why it seemed like it was moving kind of weird

721
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>because we like when it was running, it wasn't running

722
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.159
<v Speaker 1>like we would run. It was just it kind of

723
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:53.039
<v Speaker 1>had this different, like just different movement to it. I

724
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:59.360
<v Speaker 1>remember that, you know, But I didn't, like I said

725
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.159
<v Speaker 1>it when it looked at me, and I knew I

726
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 1>was looking at it, and I didn't really see its

727
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 1>eyes as much as I've seen. What I thought was

728
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.719
<v Speaker 1>a mask, you know, like a raccoon mask almost, And

729
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I just thought, you know, this thing isn't mean it's

730
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 1>it's not out to hurt me. It's you know, but

731
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I was still I was ready for when I went

732
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 1>by that tree, I thought, oh man, that's why I

733
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.840
<v Speaker 1>was gaining speed. I said, fit reaches out and grabs me.

734
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 1>It's it's just gonna knock me off, and it's gonna

735
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 1>hurt really bad. And it could be you know, if

736
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>it did knock me off that could kill me alone.

737
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've been through two motorcycle wrecks. I know

738
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 1>it comes to a sudden stoppings life, but I didn't

739
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 1>care at that time. I just thought it, well, I'm

740
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:48.199
<v Speaker 1>just gonna pick up speed someone now. And I sit

741
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 1>there back in the wonder I was like, if I stopped,

742
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>would it have stayed? You know, would it have you know,

743
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 1>it might? And I think they choose you. You know,

744
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:03.679
<v Speaker 1>I think your energy is what draw either draws them

745
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>to you or you're just lucky. I mean they show

746
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.559
<v Speaker 1>I think they just show themselves to who they want to.

747
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Or if you're really quiet and you catch them around,

748
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, some kind of noise or water running, maybe

749
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.800
<v Speaker 1>they're not paying as much attention, maybe they're relaxing. I

750
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>think the lucky people are lucky. But I think this

751
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 1>one chose me because of the experience I had three

752
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.440
<v Speaker 1>months before, and all the little weird things that happened

753
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:30.159
<v Speaker 1>for that, you know, and everything I've seen, you know,

754
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:33.280
<v Speaker 1>in the in my life. It just I was like,

755
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's this world's too big to say we're

756
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:42.159
<v Speaker 1>the most intelligent, biggest, brightest, strongest things walking this planet.

757
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm of the persuasion that we've been being lied to

758
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.119
<v Speaker 1>about everything ever since before Roman times. They've been changing,

759
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.199
<v Speaker 1>manipulating the story for power and greed. They've been they

760
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>control us through the media, through our education, just like

761
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.800
<v Speaker 1>they've been doing for thousands of years. We've been being

762
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:02.840
<v Speaker 1>like to. So how is it they can say this

763
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:11.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist, but I just saw it, you know, it's yeah,

764
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:20.280
<v Speaker 1>I just it's you know, small world, a huge planet.

765
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>There's too much out there, too much, too much, too

766
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 1>much energy, too much everything for me to believe that

767
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 1>we're we're the only thing walking this planet. And if

768
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.679
<v Speaker 1>they can come and go as they please, like interdimensional,

769
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:41.599
<v Speaker 1>I would say, yeah they can, because this thing disappeared.

770
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was behind that tree and nowhere to

771
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>be seen. And I and I'm telling you, if it

772
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.519
<v Speaker 1>was more than five seconds, I'd be surprised. From the

773
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.599
<v Speaker 1>time it disappeared, or the time it stepped, or the

774
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:56.400
<v Speaker 1>time it dipped, the time I passed it. I know

775
00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:02.199
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't five seconds, and it well, if it was

776
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 1>five seconds, it was five seconds and it was gone.

777
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Did it absorb into the tree, did it become the tree?

778
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:16.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Did just go into thin air? Did

779
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 1>it go up to space, go down to the depths

780
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 1>of Hell? I couldn't tell you, but it was there

781
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 1>and I saw it, and it ran for it would

782
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:30.559
<v Speaker 1>probably be eighty to one hundred yards in the time.

783
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I can't, I can't. I barely covered that distance. I

784
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>don't know how far it was that I covered, but

785
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I was. I was cruising pretty fast, but it was

786
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 1>going faster than I was.

787
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it must have been really moving then he was cruising. Oh, no,

788
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.159
<v Speaker 2>I believe it is that your he around the Old

789
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Greenville campground a vast forest? Or is the campground surrounded

790
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:55.800
<v Speaker 2>by homes and farms?

791
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.159
<v Speaker 1>No, it's it's a lot of farm land around it.

792
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>There's a of course, there's sixty seven that kind of

793
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Speaker 1>splits the boat ramp and the campground parking lot because

794
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 1>there's like a little campground or I'm sorry, there's a

795
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>little playground, and then there's a campground to the west

796
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.840
<v Speaker 1>of the highway. The east of the highway is the

797
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:21.679
<v Speaker 1>boat ramp. But yeah, there's a lot of farm land

798
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 1>around there. Then there's Saint Francis River runs. I mean

799
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>this this trail basically follows the Saint Francis River. It's

800
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.880
<v Speaker 1>an old uh Like I said, it's an old railroad

801
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 1>right away that goes through there, and I highly recommend

802
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.360
<v Speaker 1>that area. If anybody's out there, you know, got to

803
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to go out there. It's a great trail.

804
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 1>It's all paved and you'll see a lot I've seen

805
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.239
<v Speaker 1>some deer. I saw seven deer jump the trail once

806
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:50.639
<v Speaker 1>out there, and it wasn't this during my experience I

807
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>went out there. It's probably two or three times after

808
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 1>my experience. Seven deer they and they didn't cross the trail.

809
00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.280
<v Speaker 1>They jumped the trail at every one of them. They

810
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.199
<v Speaker 1>come up about four or five feet away from it

811
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and they leaped across the trail in front of it.

812
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Was it was. I've never seen a group of deer

813
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:14.599
<v Speaker 1>all jump the same trail. You know, some usually jump,

814
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.639
<v Speaker 1>some walk it, most of them walking. But all seven

815
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 1>of these deer just beautiful, beautiful. I'd pay money see

816
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.360
<v Speaker 1>that again. Just wish I got it on film. Now

817
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm debating going out and buying a drone that has

818
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 1>the follow me feature. So and I need to put

819
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>a I've got a uh, a car recorder, a dash

820
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:40.360
<v Speaker 1>cam and everything. I need to install all that but

821
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not real good at processing video, nor do I care.

822
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a I'm not a video oographer. But I've

823
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.599
<v Speaker 1>been through a lot in my life. I've seen a

824
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff. If I'd had it on video, maybe

825
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody didn't believe my story, but some you know, if

826
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.039
<v Speaker 1>even if I had this whole event on video, I

827
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 1>don't think anybody believe me. They'd say, oh, you're that's

828
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.519
<v Speaker 1>a great editor you AI did, or that's fake, or

829
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>you had somebody in a suit costume. Ain't I ain't

830
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 1>about that, And I damn sure, I ain't about to

831
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 1>try to, you know, raise everybody's awareness to win and

832
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.159
<v Speaker 1>where this animal's at, to give them enough time to

833
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.639
<v Speaker 1>try to hunt it down, because no, I waited months.

834
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 1>I waited months before I told anybody. And that's how

835
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I found you is I started doing my recent research,

836
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's what the anubis. That's one of the first

837
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 1>things that I I researched. I forget how I even

838
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>found that, but uh, I might have just typed in

839
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 1>werewolf for dog man or something, and it was like

840
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.559
<v Speaker 1>a newbis that I started looking for paranormal or encrypted

841
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 1>people around this area, and I found a few groups

842
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and started, and then finally I got I was like,

843
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what, it's been enough time it's been I

844
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's probably over a year by the time

845
00:44:54.000 --> 00:45:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I told anybody about it. I mean, yeah, I just

846
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that if they're out there and you go

847
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:09.280
<v Speaker 1>to hunt it, don't don't be don't be one. You

848
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.960
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want to carry the amount of gun you're gonna

849
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>need to hurt this thing. You're not gonna want to

850
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:16.920
<v Speaker 1>carry that around with you. I don't think. I don't

851
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>think there's a you know, you ain't gonna be walking

852
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.159
<v Speaker 1>around and looking for some cryptid with a with a

853
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Barrett fifty cow on your shoulder for very long. I mean,

854
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I know guys that have carried those things for miles

855
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:33.519
<v Speaker 1>and they don't like it. You don't have enough gun.

856
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:35.480
<v Speaker 1>They don't don't go out there hunting because they're going

857
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 1>to turn the tables on you quick because if if

858
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.519
<v Speaker 1>you might get wrong. But there's more, there's more of

859
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>them than there are of us, you know, when you're

860
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.519
<v Speaker 1>out the wolds. I think that's just my personal opinion.

861
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't I don't believe in hunt them.

862
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Just I'm not one. I'm not even gonna hunt elk.

863
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.760
<v Speaker 1>It's just too much work, you know, I want to.

864
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I want an eighty pound dough. Give me a pound.

865
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll take that, you know. I take a couple of

866
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:09.760
<v Speaker 1>those over one big bug, you know. So, uh yeah,

867
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:12.800
<v Speaker 1>beautiful creature though, whatever it was, and if it was

868
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>just my mind, I gotta move an imagination. But there's

869
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 1>too many people out there with these experiences, you know,

870
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.960
<v Speaker 1>whether it be bigfoot, sasquatch or well same thing bigfoot

871
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>or dog man or you know what, if you come

872
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 1>up to me with a moth man story, I didn't

873
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>tell you about that, but uh, I'm not gonna I'm

874
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 1>not gonna doubt you. Uh one bin on moth man.

875
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Whether it's a moth or not, I don't know. But

876
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>there's something out there, But I mean there's I can't.

877
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't. And if you tell me a story like this,

878
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.800
<v Speaker 1>and I'm never gonna tell you crazy, I'm gonna I'm

879
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say, yep, you saw what you saw. I

880
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>can't argue. You know, you can't call you crazy, you know,

881
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 1>just don't call me crazy, even though who I am.

882
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:06.159
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not that crazy.

883
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 2>So it's a crazy world out there. It's hard to

884
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:14.480
<v Speaker 2>say what isn't out there, but that's something we're never

885
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 2>going to have the answer to. Poncho By being an

886
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 2>old campground, does that mean it doesn't have any visitors

887
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.079
<v Speaker 2>on a normal basis or do quite a few people

888
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 2>head that way?

889
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's closed down through the winter months. It

890
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 1>has it has its definite you know, opening and closing times.

891
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 1>But the trails you can go out there anytime and ride.

892
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.639
<v Speaker 1>I think there's people out there that you could probably call.

893
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 1>And there's there's that spot where I was telling you

894
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 1>about where I went to do some recreational activities there.

895
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.920
<v Speaker 1>You could probably camp right there if they'd let you,

896
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:47.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you if you approached them in the

897
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 1>right manner and said, hey, I'd like to do that.

898
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:51.400
<v Speaker 1>They're you know, a small group you just want to

899
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, sit out there and howl at

900
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 1>the moon. Whatever. But there is another access point on

901
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the south side of the river, not a quarter mile

902
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.800
<v Speaker 1>from Uh. You can see it from the shore there,

903
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>or not from the shore because that's a big high bank,

904
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.920
<v Speaker 1>but you can see the other boat ramp that's on

905
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the south side of the river from that location. UH.

906
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.719
<v Speaker 1>And I know, you can camp there. There's no campground

907
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 1>there per se, but there's there's enough room you can

908
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:23.159
<v Speaker 1>put a tent up. But uh yeah, there's there's there.

909
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I would say the traffic, there's people, there's like I said,

910
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:27.719
<v Speaker 1>it's a public walking trail. You know, it's in it

911
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 1>links the old town of Greenville with the newtown of Greenville.

912
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:35.320
<v Speaker 1>And in New Greenville there there's some really neat restaurants.

913
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.719
<v Speaker 1>There's the Midway Cafe or the Midway it's called the

914
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Midway cook Shack, and then there's the Trails in the

915
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Cafe that actually has a big foot carving out in

916
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 1>front of it. That place has got you know, coffee,

917
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's got breakfast, some really nice sandwich is some

918
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.679
<v Speaker 1>really great Christian people that work there. I mean, you

919
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.480
<v Speaker 1>go in there and if you're having a bad day,

920
00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna leave with a smile in a full belly.

921
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:09.400
<v Speaker 1>That's sure. The Midway Cookshack is just phenomenal burgers, ice cream,

922
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 1>fried foods, things like that, really like like nineteen fifties

923
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:20.280
<v Speaker 1>style burgers. People that are really nice. I would recommend

924
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.760
<v Speaker 1>either one of those places there. And there's there's even

925
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a little there's a there's a like a hardware store

926
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>there in town. There's a like a it's not a

927
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 1>thrift store. It's like a little small, like a miniature

928
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.840
<v Speaker 1>k Mart there. It's it's not Kmart, but it's I

929
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.559
<v Speaker 1>can I forget the name of it. It's got a

930
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:41.559
<v Speaker 1>little bit of everything, bicycles, hunting stuff, camping gear or

931
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:46.559
<v Speaker 1>whatever you need. There. There's a supermarket, a little small supermarket.

932
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's cool little town. I don't doubt there's

933
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, fifteen hundred people in there, you know, maybe

934
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.239
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred. I don't know what their official count is,

935
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:59.360
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it's it's a you know a lot

936
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>of people stop through there for the for the recreation,

937
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.239
<v Speaker 1>as far as boating and hunting. You know. Like I said,

938
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:09.159
<v Speaker 1>there is a little silver where there was a Civil

939
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 1>war skirmish right there, and that's where you get on

940
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Speaker 1>where you cut out from the campground and you get

941
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.320
<v Speaker 1>on the actual trail trail portion. It's where that's where

942
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 1>that little little uh civil war battle happened. But uh,

943
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, you can go there anytime. You know,

944
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.760
<v Speaker 1>if anybody you know wants to go out there, I'll

945
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:41.760
<v Speaker 1>meet him out there, show him exactly where this happened at. Yeah, yeah,

946
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you go out there. I took. I took another researcher

947
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:50.079
<v Speaker 1>out there, and you know, he seemed like a good

948
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 1>guy at first, and he kind of well first at

949
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:54.599
<v Speaker 1>first I said something to him. I was, you know,

950
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>like a I think I was offering to fill up

951
00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 1>his tank or something like that and give him some cash. So,

952
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, because this, you know, researcher, I once I started,

953
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, learning about what everybody's doing. You know, I

954
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 1>know there's people out there dedicating to it. But once that,

955
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 1>once these couple events happened to me, I started realizing

956
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:12.239
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more people out here doing this than

957
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 1>what I thought. And I know that there are you

958
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 1>know a lot of these people. They ain't made of

959
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 1>gold and money and didn't you know, grow up with

960
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.199
<v Speaker 1>silver spoons in their mouth. And I was offering the

961
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:21.760
<v Speaker 1>guy some money and he was kind of an ass

962
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:26.679
<v Speaker 1>about it. But whatever, Uh good researcher. Uh don't doubt

963
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:28.639
<v Speaker 1>any of his stuff. And he's good at what he does.

964
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:35.920
<v Speaker 1>But uh, yeah, whatever. But he came out there and

965
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.079
<v Speaker 1>saw the site and walked in and did things. And

966
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 1>then I didn't realize I guess when we talked that

967
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:42.519
<v Speaker 1>he was wanting the camp out there and I didn't

968
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.440
<v Speaker 1>have any permission. I'm that guy that I'm like, I

969
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:46.960
<v Speaker 1>ain't gone to jail for Nope, Nope, not gonna nope,

970
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:48.960
<v Speaker 1>not gonna have the cops called on me, you know.

971
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 1>So uh but uh but we we made that weekend,

972
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, memorable if nothing else. But uh, you know,

973
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.239
<v Speaker 1>like I said, if anybody you know gets a anchor

974
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.039
<v Speaker 1>and I you know, y'all know that there's a few

975
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.199
<v Speaker 1>of y'all in here. Probably I don't have my glasses on,

976
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 1>so I can't see whatever everybody. I'm not even paying

977
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:12.400
<v Speaker 1>attention to the chat. Uh, but uh, you know, if

978
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 1>anybody knows me and they hit me up, I want

979
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:16.880
<v Speaker 1>to schedule a weekend. If it works out for both

980
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:18.719
<v Speaker 1>of us. Man, I'll go out there again because I

981
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:22.599
<v Speaker 1>go out there anyway. I love going out there. So

982
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 1>but sables right next to me telling me he wants

983
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:26.840
<v Speaker 1>to go outside.

984
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.480
<v Speaker 2>So if you need to take him out, I can.

985
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I can talk while you're outside until you get.

986
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, it's it's a it's an involved process with

987
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:41.800
<v Speaker 1>this guy. So it's like saddling a horse and there's

988
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:43.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, you got to put on his gear and

989
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, no, it's he's just he's just over here

990
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.840
<v Speaker 1>moaning at me. So I know what he wants to do.

991
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 1>He can, he can, he can have a few minutes.

992
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it won't be much longer. I know you're tired.

993
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.840
<v Speaker 2>You said you're really worn out from the days. So

994
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get ready to close this sound out.

995
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:03.639
<v Speaker 2>But I've got one more question for you before I

996
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:05.960
<v Speaker 2>do that. For I ask you for you're closing comments,

997
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and that is I'm wondering if you think that dog

998
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.480
<v Speaker 2>man was responsible for that missing time that you experienced,

999
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:14.679
<v Speaker 2>or if you think something else wise.

1000
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:23.039
<v Speaker 1>That I can't explain. If if, if, if that thing

1001
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:25.880
<v Speaker 1>was sitting there, I mean, how does that happen? How

1002
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.679
<v Speaker 1>How would he just say, hey, you know, you need

1003
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:31.679
<v Speaker 1>to see Because if I had to, if that, if

1004
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 1>that little ten seconds had in advance, I would never

1005
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:38.840
<v Speaker 1>saw that helicopter. I don't think, not until, not until

1006
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I would have realized there was one there once I

1007
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:44.159
<v Speaker 1>passed those guys. Because eventually, my you know, I realized, hey,

1008
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 1>that's a you know, that's exactly what a helicopter crew does,

1009
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 1>is they go set up a little you know, for

1010
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>an area, you know, refueling point, and that's what they

1011
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 1>were using that entire park parking lot for. That's why

1012
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the park was closed, That's why their signs were out.

1013
00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 1>And I remember saying to myself, I was like, I

1014
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:03.159
<v Speaker 1>don't ever about dose stinking signs. I'm gonna trespass, you

1015
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:07.039
<v Speaker 1>know better. It better to beg for forgiveness and ask

1016
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:15.079
<v Speaker 1>for permission sometimes, you know. I just but I don't

1017
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:21.239
<v Speaker 1>know why, why that that that time? Ten seconds? I mean,

1018
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:26.000
<v Speaker 1>like I said, maybe maybe it was maybe it saw me,

1019
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:31.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe it you know, who knows. Maybe I don't.

1020
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it well, since I was out

1021
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 1>there the weekend before, maybe it was watching me then too.

1022
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I didn't I didn't have any trouble

1023
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:45.079
<v Speaker 1>with Sabo that weekend or anything. But who knows. I

1024
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:48.320
<v Speaker 1>mean I never really thought about it, honestly, but I

1025
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:50.800
<v Speaker 1>know that whatever that's I just knew it was meant

1026
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to be. You know, after the fact, I was like, yeah,

1027
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.960
<v Speaker 1>if that ten seconds wouldn't have happened, maybe I would

1028
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.000
<v Speaker 1>have never saw this thing. Maybe that was me and

1029
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:02.639
<v Speaker 1>my subconscious you know how I mean, is in like

1030
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:09.840
<v Speaker 1>manifestation or I don't know what you'd call it, but yeah,

1031
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:14.039
<v Speaker 1>ten seconds was probably the lynchpin on why I saw

1032
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.760
<v Speaker 1>what I saw. Whether whether the dog Man had anything

1033
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.039
<v Speaker 1>to do with it or not, I don't know if

1034
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 1>if it was meant to be, there was an energy

1035
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.079
<v Speaker 1>above us, a god or something that was like, yeah, hey,

1036
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:28.639
<v Speaker 1>it would be pretty cool for this guy to have

1037
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:32.119
<v Speaker 1>this story, because that's what he needs, is for more

1038
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.480
<v Speaker 1>people to think he's a weirdo and to call him

1039
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.079
<v Speaker 1>names and point and giggle at and that's what he needs.

1040
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's say, let's let's let him see this stuff and

1041
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 1>see how he handles it. You know. But I didn't overreact.

1042
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't freak out. I didn't cry, it

1043
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:57.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't scream. I thought, today's day, Today's day. You know.

1044
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Never never, I didn't want to. That's not the way

1045
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I plan on going out of this world though, you know,

1046
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:10.360
<v Speaker 1>h do you want to hear I come? You know,

1047
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:11.800
<v Speaker 1>if I know I've got to go, I got I'm

1048
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna go. I'm gonna go a better way, you know.

1049
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:19.559
<v Speaker 1>But what I saw was I think it was meant

1050
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:24.239
<v Speaker 1>to be for sure, because with that ten seconds compression. Yeah,

1051
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what it would be called compression or not.

1052
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's that. That was the only I think,

1053
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that's the only reason why I saw what I saw.

1054
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:34.880
<v Speaker 1>So I had to be in a certain place at

1055
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:39.400
<v Speaker 1>a certain time and uh like. But but then again,

1056
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I think, why did my dog chase it twice? You know,

1057
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.000
<v Speaker 1>just I know for a fact when we when I

1058
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:49.800
<v Speaker 1>let him go at that bank, he was he was

1059
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.639
<v Speaker 1>onto something. I didn't see it. He saw it, and

1060
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:55.880
<v Speaker 1>he either saw it or sensed it, and he got

1061
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:01.000
<v Speaker 1>on his trail and whenever that trail ended, maybe it

1062
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:05.039
<v Speaker 1>disappeared too. Maybe that's where who knows, I couldn't tell you.

1063
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.199
<v Speaker 1>But he's also changed cars before. But I remember he

1064
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:10.679
<v Speaker 1>took off running and there was no no, I didn't

1065
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:12.920
<v Speaker 1>see any cars. I just thought, oh, I lose my

1066
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>dog today. But because there was cars coming up, I'm

1067
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.519
<v Speaker 1>sure you know. I remember one of the cars was

1068
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:25.719
<v Speaker 1>a red truck. But uh yeah, just uh if it

1069
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.159
<v Speaker 1>wasn't for that ten seconds, I might not have seen

1070
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:33.079
<v Speaker 1>any of this. So yeah, that's that's I think. That's

1071
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the only time that's ever happened to me. You know,

1072
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:39.679
<v Speaker 1>it's odd that I would remember something like that. That's

1073
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I said that little ten seconds and then I remember

1074
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I looked up as I was kind of trying to

1075
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:46.920
<v Speaker 1>ponder what happened, and I looked up and that's when

1076
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:51.679
<v Speaker 1>I saw that helicopter. I thought, huh, well that kind

1077
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.239
<v Speaker 1>of changed the change to everything that was going on

1078
00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 1>in my mind. Yeah, strange days.

1079
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, right there is exactly what I was gonna say,

1080
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.599
<v Speaker 2>that a strange day. Well, before we get out of

1081
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:10.960
<v Speaker 2>You're poncho, do you have any closing comments you want

1082
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:11.559
<v Speaker 2>to put out.

1083
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 1>There for us? Really? Just you know, if you if

1084
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.719
<v Speaker 1>you're of the paranormal belief or paranormal persuasion, that's the

1085
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 1>name of the show right there. You know. Just keep

1086
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:33.199
<v Speaker 1>your energy high, just you just you know, just don't

1087
00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:37.480
<v Speaker 1>don't bounce checks, you know, don't go to getting bar fights,

1088
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:39.960
<v Speaker 1>don't go yelling to people, don't be mean to people.

1089
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:43.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, be a good person, you know, raise your energy,

1090
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, think good thoughts and maybe you'll see one too,

1091
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:53.280
<v Speaker 1>and don't, uh, don't overact if you see something like that.

1092
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, just and if you got friends with you,

1093
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:00.760
<v Speaker 1>just chill out for a minute, sit around and enjoy

1094
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the show. You ain't gonna see it for very long.

1095
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think they I don't think they

1096
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:08.480
<v Speaker 1>want to stick around very long, or they're just checking

1097
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:11.679
<v Speaker 1>in on you. Whether they're a who knows, Maybe they're

1098
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:15.599
<v Speaker 1>a fallen angel, maybe they're an Maybe maybe that's how

1099
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:22.400
<v Speaker 1>they show. Maybe I can't imagine something that was your

1100
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:28.000
<v Speaker 1>guardian angel looking like that, but maybe what they maybe

1101
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:35.360
<v Speaker 1>they look the way they do too either scare us

1102
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:41.039
<v Speaker 1>or to intrigue us. What I saw was not mean.

1103
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:44.159
<v Speaker 1>It had no ill will to me. It just wanted to.

1104
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:47.719
<v Speaker 1>It just wanted to. It just wanted to go whatever

1105
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:50.639
<v Speaker 1>or check up on me. If that's what it was. Maybe.

1106
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not saying it was a male or

1107
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:54.559
<v Speaker 1>a dog man. It could have been a dog moving

1108
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:58.360
<v Speaker 1>for all I know. I don't remember seeing anything that

1109
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.519
<v Speaker 1>would say, you know, a woman, but there. I didn't

1110
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 1>see a tail in Nancy fur. But uh, you know,

1111
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:06.199
<v Speaker 1>I thought one of the thoughts that after the fact

1112
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.400
<v Speaker 1>was like, maybe that was my mom checking that ball,

1113
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, but who knows. Maybe that's Maybe everything I've

1114
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:21.039
<v Speaker 1>seen is God checking in on me. I don't know

1115
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:28.199
<v Speaker 1>God's angels or Satan's and demons. I don't know. I

1116
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.400
<v Speaker 1>have no clue, but I wasn't afraid of what I saw.

1117
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank goodness for that. And I'll tell you what

1118
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I think. I'd better get you out of here before

1119
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Sabo over there drops anchor in your bedroom. That wouldn't

1120
01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:42.559
<v Speaker 2>be good at all.

1121
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:46.119
<v Speaker 1>He drops worse than anchors, let me tell you.

1122
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I can only imagine. I can only imagine. But having

1123
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.760
<v Speaker 2>said that, thanks again so much for coming on. We

1124
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:56.599
<v Speaker 2>really appreciate your time and you coming on to do this.

1125
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you very much for having me.

1126
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Thanks to everybody in chat. And hope to see you

1127
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:07.840
<v Speaker 1>guys you know out there, you know, in the field

1128
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:12.199
<v Speaker 1>or even at a function. And you know, don't be afraid.

1129
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.000
<v Speaker 1>You see somebody at a at one of these festivals

1130
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:18.559
<v Speaker 1>with a a dog looks a lot like a German shepherd,

1131
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 1>but he's not a German shepherd. He's a Belgium law

1132
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm just telling. But uh, the DNA test should be

1133
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:29.519
<v Speaker 1>coming in here in the next few days, but we'll

1134
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:36.000
<v Speaker 1>find out. So uh yeah, just just come say hi.

1135
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.719
<v Speaker 1>We'll sit around chat and you can buy me a beer. No,

1136
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't even drink. I'll just kidding, but uh so

1137
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.559
<v Speaker 1>you just say hi. I'm pretty pro I'm a little

1138
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:48.679
<v Speaker 1>different put in uh in in groups, you know, out

1139
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:53.719
<v Speaker 1>in the real world a little more. I'm different, you

1140
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:56.280
<v Speaker 1>know a little. You know, in chat you might hear

1141
01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:58.239
<v Speaker 1>me joking around and stuff. But man, I don't really

1142
01:01:58.239 --> 01:01:59.679
<v Speaker 1>want to talk to anybody. I don't want to make

1143
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:04.159
<v Speaker 1>scene when I'm on publish nos know what I need?

1144
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Snow what I crave? You know? What? Would you see me? Say? Hi?

1145
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I hope if anyone sees you out and about I

1146
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:17.360
<v Speaker 2>hope they do that. I really do. But having said that,

1147
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:19.480
<v Speaker 2>thanks again so much for your time there upon you

1148
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:20.800
<v Speaker 2>and have a great night.

1149
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Ye you too.

1150
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Thanks, We'll see all right, bye bye bye. Well that's

1151
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:30.840
<v Speaker 2>another one in the books. Thanks is always so much

1152
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:34.079
<v Speaker 2>for listening. I really appreciate it. And if you've had

1153
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:36.000
<v Speaker 2>a dog me in the encounter of your own that

1154
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you either need help dealing with or if you want

1155
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Speaker 2>to come on the show and share it with the listeners,

1156
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:45.599
<v Speaker 2>please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report.

1157
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:47.920
<v Speaker 2>If you do that, then I'll be sure to get

1158
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.880
<v Speaker 2>in contact with you so we can schedule a private

1159
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 2>film consultation so I can find out what happened. But

1160
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.960
<v Speaker 2>having said that, thanks again, so much for listening and

1161
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:21.199
<v Speaker 2>have a great nights.