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Speaker 2: have an encounter with a dog man, do you think
Speaker 2: it could be better if it was just a regular
Speaker 2: dog man or a mutated one. Well, considering the fact
Speaker 2: that tonight's guest encountered would appear to be a mutated one,
Speaker 2: I guess he'd be the perfect person to ask that
Speaker 2: question without any further ado. Having said that, let's bring
Speaker 2: him in here.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Tonight's guest wish is to mean anonymous, and with that
Speaker 2: in mind, I'm just gonna call him Pancho. Poncho, Welcome
Speaker 2: to the show.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, how are y'all?
Speaker 2: That's great having you here. Pancho, please give us a
Speaker 2: brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Brief bio is I'm a I'm an avid outdoorsman. I
Speaker 1: love going outdoors, although I haven't been outdoors quite a
Speaker 1: lot in the last few years just because of all
Speaker 1: everything that's been going on. I'm a veteran. Uh I Uh,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I I love I love dogs, I
Speaker 1: love I love animals. I love you know, farm life,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, what everyone call it, like
Speaker 1: being outdoors. Uh uh. I don't know what to say
Speaker 1: about me. I don't I don't talk about myself a lot,
Speaker 1: but uh uh, you know, I don't drink. I don't
Speaker 1: drink a lot. Not much of a party animal. But
Speaker 1: I like to get out and I like to get
Speaker 1: out and out in the woods. And I feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm up in tree stands or out in
Speaker 1: the river or wherever I'm at, I'm as close to
Speaker 1: God as I'm ever going to get.
Speaker 2: I'd say you are as close to God. Well, you'll
Speaker 2: get closer after you leave this world. But well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I understand what you mean.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: And thank you so much for your service to our country.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: The recruiter lied Tomy, I was doing it for the chicks.
Speaker 1: He said, they love the uniform.
Speaker 2: Well, they normally do.
Speaker 1: Here, I am. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Those guys will tell you anything to get you to
Speaker 2: sign it. Yeah, they definitely will. Considering all that time
Speaker 2: you've spent in the outdoors. He said that you're an
Speaker 2: avid outdoors man. And also you spend all that time
Speaker 2: in the service. What's been the most frightening thing that's
Speaker 2: happened to you that didn't involve a dog man or
Speaker 2: a sasquatch.
Speaker 1: Most frightened thing, you know, snow skiing. For whatever reason,
Speaker 1: that's my that's my one. Uh, that's my one. Like
Speaker 1: irrational fear. I think it was. Uh, I think was.
Speaker 1: We were in manans Manasses, Virginians skin and we're skiing along.
Speaker 1: I looked to my left. I've seen a tree well,
Speaker 1: and I looked down there and I said, if somebody
Speaker 1: goes down there, they're dead. They ain't coming out. And
Speaker 1: I looked up in my group. Since I was learning
Speaker 1: to ski, they were, you know, seventy five hundred yards
Speaker 1: in front of me. Maybe not that far, but well,
Speaker 1: when they went down, they all went down out of sight.
Speaker 1: But it looked like it was a straight road or
Speaker 1: like a straight trail because it was a pretty simple trail. Anyway,
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, that stuck with me. I can't explain
Speaker 1: why it's snow skiing, but uh, yeah, that and that's
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't say that was even scary. That's just
Speaker 1: how I developed that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: think if if I had to say so, it was
Speaker 1: the actual scariest thing ever. I mean, a couple of
Speaker 1: I eds and losing a couple of friends and uh,
Speaker 1: seeing the seeing the bullet that was going to hit me,
Speaker 1: but it went right over my head because I thankfully
Speaker 1: I stepped down from off coming off a roadbed and
Speaker 1: I remember looking up and it was the first round
Speaker 1: fire and it went straight over my head. I just
Speaker 1: seen an orange dot with a little black tip on
Speaker 1: go right over my head. Wow.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thank goodness he did step down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was it was like perfect timing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd say it wasn't goodness and that I like.
Speaker 1: I said, I I saw the one that was meant
Speaker 1: for me, and it missed me by about three foot
Speaker 1: and that's about how far I went down the hill.
Speaker 1: But the guy behind me coming down the same trail
Speaker 1: was about eight. He was he was he was an
Speaker 1: Asian dude, so but he was probably at least a
Speaker 1: good foot shorter than me foot and a half shorter
Speaker 1: because I'm six four. So but yeah, you know, we
Speaker 1: went right over his head too. I just turned around
Speaker 1: and said, did you see that? He said, get down anyway,
Speaker 1: long story.
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, that sounds like good advice to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: since you had an encounter with what would appear to
Speaker 2: be a mutated dog man, like I said in the opening,
Speaker 2: you're the perfect person to ask this question if you
Speaker 2: had your drothers, would you rather have an encounter with
Speaker 2: a normal looking dog man, a normal dog man, or
Speaker 2: a mutated one like the one you encountered.
Speaker 1: The one I saw it wasn't It wasn't scary. I
Speaker 1: mean it was there was nothing scary about it. There
Speaker 1: was no like, I didn't see any exposed teeth, the
Speaker 1: you know, the uh it's it's it's face or it's muzzle. Hey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to interrupt you there upon you, but yeah,
Speaker 2: hold on to any details about that guy until after
Speaker 2: I asked you to tell us about your encounter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd much rather just run into what I ran
Speaker 1: into again. Is it? It just looked like when it
Speaker 1: when it turned and faced me for the second time,
Speaker 1: it just looked like, hey, dude, you're cool, you know,
Speaker 1: or or he loved me or something. I just felt
Speaker 1: I felt like once it once I got after about
Speaker 1: a half a second looking at it, I just thought,
Speaker 1: whatever that is, it's not it doesn't mean you no harm,
Speaker 1: you know, so.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness with that. Yeah, definitely. In our first conversation,
Speaker 2: you said that your dog mean encounter didn't leave you traumatized,
Speaker 2: and you just explain, why does that mean that you're
Speaker 2: open or even hoping to have another encounter with a
Speaker 2: dog man or maybe even that same one or are
Speaker 2: you good?
Speaker 1: H You know, I wouldn't mind seeing it again if
Speaker 1: it was the same one, I think. I think maybe
Speaker 1: if there's lines of communication that we could go down,
Speaker 1: or some kind of mutual respect that we can discover
Speaker 1: about each other, I don't think I think that would
Speaker 1: be cool. I mean, I wouldn't mind it if if
Speaker 1: I had, if it kept coming to my house the
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I wouldn't. It wouldn't bother me,
Speaker 1: is what I saw. Like I said, I wasn't real
Speaker 1: scared of it. I mean at first I was in shock,
Speaker 1: but I was going so fast at the time. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it happens really fast when you're on the bicyt. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, well, as you can say that that's a really
Speaker 2: good thing, because as sure beats the pants off you
Speaker 2: being traumatized and having a hard time doing what you
Speaker 2: need to do in life. Fake goodness, Oh.
Speaker 1: It could after the fact, or well no, actually, right
Speaker 1: when it happened, I knew. I was like, I think
Speaker 1: I said this in the story. I knew positively It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm either going to be dead or I'm going to
Speaker 1: have a good story. And that's literally what I thought.
Speaker 1: But I think I thought, it's either going to kill
Speaker 1: me because it's arms gonna come out and just grab
Speaker 1: me as I go by, or I'm gonna have a
Speaker 1: good story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're right about the second part. You do
Speaker 2: have a good story. And speaking of that, let's get
Speaker 2: to it now. Please tell us all about that experience.
Speaker 2: Give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Right. I had just moved from Oklahoma up here to
Speaker 1: Missouri with my Family's got some land down south here,
Speaker 1: south of where I'm living now, and so i'd been
Speaker 1: in this area before, but back in the mid eighties,
Speaker 1: you know, And it was just to play ghosts in
Speaker 1: the graveyard with some uncles and well cousins of mine,
Speaker 1: not uncles, but cousins of mine. And I've been in
Speaker 1: the area down there at the Greenville the Lower Greenville
Speaker 1: or what they call Old Greenville State or state park
Speaker 1: slash campground. Now, I've been down there, but when I
Speaker 1: was down there, there was no paved trails, that's there
Speaker 1: were the camp sites weren't there. There was just all trees.
Speaker 1: There was like little playground or what have you. But
Speaker 1: the cousins, being so much older than me, they all
Speaker 1: kind of just went their way and kind of left me.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't get much ghost in the graveyard. Now,
Speaker 1: there is a military cemetery there on the on the
Speaker 1: facility on in the in the campground, and there's two
Speaker 1: of the unknown soldiers, not maybe three or four miles away.
Speaker 1: Then down on a F F Highway is where my
Speaker 1: grandfather lived, which which is the south side of the
Speaker 1: Saint Francis River. So I knew the area fairly well.
Speaker 1: And once I get kind of got my feet on
Speaker 1: the ground underneath me here where I'm living now, I
Speaker 1: decided one weekend to go out there to the back
Speaker 1: out there because I heard that there was a bike
Speaker 1: trail out there, and I just you know, i've mountain
Speaker 1: bike with my dog. I was training him training at
Speaker 1: Sabo to you know, ride with me. You know, paved
Speaker 1: trails perfect. So we go down there one weekend and
Speaker 1: we were driving down there and get down there and
Speaker 1: I just as we get to the park, I realized
Speaker 1: that there's some signs out that says, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: campground's closed. You know, park is closed. D da da
Speaker 1: da dah. And I'm thinking, yeah, whatever, you know. So
Speaker 1: I get on the trail, you put on my gear
Speaker 1: on whatever, now mine you it's January's and it's cold out.
Speaker 1: It's like the first, if not the second week of January.
Speaker 1: It's cold out, and you know, had a lot of
Speaker 1: snow and a lot of melt off and a lot
Speaker 1: of rain and what have you that that month. And
Speaker 1: so there was a lot of a lot of water
Speaker 1: going on. And I got on my bike. We rode
Speaker 1: the trail and rode all the way into town, rode
Speaker 1: into the Midway cafe. Had something to eat, I think
Speaker 1: that day. I can't remember what I had now, you know,
Speaker 1: burger and shake or something, or I always get a
Speaker 1: chocolate dip cone because that's where one of my uncles.
Speaker 1: We used to go there all the time. When we'd
Speaker 1: go to our property, we'd stop buy it there. We
Speaker 1: just would go driving back road and we'd end up
Speaker 1: out there. We always get a soft Incombe, you know.
Speaker 1: And so that was that week and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna work with Sabos some more and
Speaker 1: i'm'll come back next weekend. So the second weekend, we
Speaker 1: get up a little earlier, or it wasn't early early,
Speaker 1: but it was earlier than the last time the week before,
Speaker 1: and we'll probably get pulling in that place that it
Speaker 1: got it seemed like it was at least nine o'clock,
Speaker 1: eight thirty nine o'clock in the morning we were pulling in. Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe later. I didn't check the time. But if
Speaker 1: anybody goes down to the Greenville Green that that area
Speaker 1: there's like a there's a river access points, got a
Speaker 1: boat ramped out of park and it's nice, spacious. It's
Speaker 1: part of the There's there's like a an old ferry
Speaker 1: site there where they where you could cross the river
Speaker 1: on a boat, on a on a raft. There's some
Speaker 1: history there there. There's part of the there's an old
Speaker 1: Civil War skirmish took place on the on the property.
Speaker 1: There's a trail of tears went right through old Greenville
Speaker 1: back in the day, they you know, some one of
Speaker 1: the sad event. I can't believe that's stuff's happened anyway.
Speaker 1: So but as we're going down that road, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm going down and I'm driving, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I feel like something happened. It's just like, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm ten seconds ahead of where I should
Speaker 1: be because I just, all of a sudden, I boom,
Speaker 1: I'm farther down the road than I should have been.
Speaker 1: I thought, well, what the you know, was that? You know,
Speaker 1: what what am I what sensation? As I as I
Speaker 1: realized or as I'm going through trying to figure this out,
Speaker 1: I look up into my right and there's a red
Speaker 1: and black Hughes helicopter or I don't think Hughes makes anymore.
Speaker 1: I think it's a bell, but it's an old, huge
Speaker 1: five hundred style helicopter. And I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 1: at the time, I was thinking, oh, it's an old
Speaker 1: farm or something, just checking his fields or you know,
Speaker 1: joy riding whatever they're doing. And as I make the
Speaker 1: kind of turn off the park or turn off into
Speaker 1: the into the parking area for the boat ram, I'm
Speaker 1: just going through this in my mind. I turn right
Speaker 1: and kind of get or it's hard to say, but
Speaker 1: then I look off to my right, underneath the bridge
Speaker 1: where sixty seven goes over the river. I look down there.
Speaker 1: There's some vehicles down there. Well, I go park and
Speaker 1: I realize, being that I used to work for the
Speaker 1: Corps of Engineers, there's two Corp of Engineer police vehicles,
Speaker 1: two State Game War vehicles, and a pickup truck with
Speaker 1: a trailer and a big fuel tank on it. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting everything and I didn't know it was a fuel
Speaker 1: tank at first. And there's some ATVs as well. But
Speaker 1: I just I just remember, oh, well, you know, it's
Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm not going back. I mean, it's almost
Speaker 1: two hour ride down here. I'm gonna jump back and
Speaker 1: or get my stuff on. And when I say getting
Speaker 1: my stuff on, I'm decked out. I got like an
Speaker 1: orange construction jacket on. My bicycle's orange tables, got an
Speaker 1: orange jacket out, I got orange gloves on. It's you know, January.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get out in the woods and not
Speaker 1: wear on right and uh so, but I think, you know,
Speaker 1: these guys are over in the main parking lot, over
Speaker 1: by where the playground is and the bathrooms and all that,
Speaker 1: and probably so they could warm up, get out of
Speaker 1: the weather or whatever. But anyway, there's a trail that
Speaker 1: goes off, you know, kind of on the north side
Speaker 1: of the park. I took that trail, and I rode
Speaker 1: right back at them. They didn't wait, they didn't look,
Speaker 1: they didn't yell at me, they didn't nothing. And I
Speaker 1: get it. I get down there, and I remember I
Speaker 1: took the right hand turn there, and then there's a
Speaker 1: little trail. You can either go straight through the campground
Speaker 1: or you go right, and there's an old they are
Speaker 1: not old, but they got a trail that that basically
Speaker 1: cuts through the old town of Greenville where there's some
Speaker 1: old foundations and sidewalks and street signs, and there's a
Speaker 1: few park benches and well, uh not park benches, but
Speaker 1: chairs and seating and stuff that you go by. And
Speaker 1: and I'm cruising down there, and just you know, going
Speaker 1: to ride the same trail I rode the weekend before.
Speaker 1: And I go down there and there's a I get
Speaker 1: on the trail and I'm cruise now. Also, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I mentioned this when the last time I
Speaker 1: told the story. I have a little I have a
Speaker 1: bluetooth speaker on my bicycle that I'm just blasting. I
Speaker 1: like to and for whatever reason, I like to blast,
Speaker 1: you know, a tribal or American, tribal Indian music drums,
Speaker 1: you know, what have you. And uh so I'm blasting
Speaker 1: that as loud as I as loud as I speak.
Speaker 1: Real go and I'm going down this trail. I get
Speaker 1: all the way down to Mountain. I would say, let's
Speaker 1: just call it the halfway point. Where there's a y
Speaker 1: in the trail. You can go left and you go
Speaker 1: over to the Saint Francis River, or you can go
Speaker 1: straight and go into Greenville. And uh, I like to
Speaker 1: go over and I do some recreational activity over there
Speaker 1: at the at the at the table, and I jump
Speaker 1: back on my bike and go into Greenville. And I said,
Speaker 1: it's by now. It's it's eleven o'clock. Probably I don't
Speaker 1: I want to keep it track of no time. But uh,
Speaker 1: I eat something, grab another cone or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: I ate, get back on my bike and I get
Speaker 1: stable straightened out. When we get across the street, there's
Speaker 1: a dollar General. There's a a little you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: surp not surplus store, but like a what do you
Speaker 1: call it? A hardware store? And then a bank. Well,
Speaker 1: I pull up to where the sidewalk kind of ends
Speaker 1: there at the bank, and I'm letting Sabo off and
Speaker 1: I look down at him, and he's coiled up, like
Speaker 1: ready to strike, and I thought, well, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a he's a high high, high maintenance dog.
Speaker 1: Not maintenance, but just high energy dog. And maybe he's
Speaker 1: just ready to go, you know, you know, he'd been
Speaker 1: doing so good, I thought he would just follow me,
Speaker 1: you know. Well, he takes off towards a highway and
Speaker 1: I don't know what because I didn't really I didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, And he took he took off on what
Speaker 1: I thought was immediately I knew he was he was
Speaker 1: tracking something. I mean, he was, he was. He had
Speaker 1: taken a pursuit angle, like you were doing football. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy catches football and you run, you run in
Speaker 1: front of him to catch him, right, And he was
Speaker 1: on some sort of a pursuit angle, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: not just what the heck are you doing? Some yellow
Speaker 1: for him? Yellow for him? I kind of ride up
Speaker 1: the trail towards there and there's a there's a tunnel
Speaker 1: that goes underneath the highway. Well before that is where
Speaker 1: he where he stopped off giving chase, and I remember
Speaker 1: he got he ran through the open field to the
Speaker 1: to where the vegetation line was, and then he just
Speaker 1: cut off and he just turned around and ran right
Speaker 1: to me, jogged right up to me like nothing never happened.
Speaker 1: So I hook him back into the least and I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: don't do that no more, you know, trying to trying
Speaker 1: to teach you the rights and wrongs. The whole time,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm about to lose my dog. He's not
Speaker 1: even a year old now, you know. And uh he
Speaker 1: might have been eleven months I think that was. I
Speaker 1: know he was, that would have been thirteen months old.
Speaker 1: He would have been, Yeah, he's thirteen months old then,
Speaker 1: and uh so I just hooking back in. I get
Speaker 1: to riding and it's kind of a little bit of
Speaker 1: open uphill until you get underneath the bridge where there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of uphill. When you get past the tunnel,
Speaker 1: you get you know, you go through the tunnel and
Speaker 1: then pass that just a little litle bit of uphill
Speaker 1: and it starts a downhill. Well we got up to
Speaker 1: about I don't know, I wasn't out of the out
Speaker 1: of the tunnel more than twenty thirty yards. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's try this again. Let's let him off
Speaker 1: the leash. And I let him off the leash and boom,
Speaker 1: he's gone. Well, no, he ran for we. I got
Speaker 1: back on my bike, start peddling, and then boom, he
Speaker 1: just takes off again. But he goes up to the
Speaker 1: top of this hill and he's kind of running the
Speaker 1: ridge line like just I mean, I can see him.
Speaker 1: So I start pedaling and I'm trying to keep up
Speaker 1: and and I'm on this big twenty nine inch bike,
Speaker 1: so I'm up pretty high and I'm peddling. I'm yelling
Speaker 1: at I'm like, hey, come on, dude. You know, I
Speaker 1: remember my music was going. I don't remember what song
Speaker 1: was playing or whatever, but it was, like I said,
Speaker 1: it was tribal music. So I'm going and I just
Speaker 1: keep yelling at him, yelling at him. So I come
Speaker 1: to the top of the hill. When you get to
Speaker 1: the top of the hill, and it starts going downhill,
Speaker 1: and I start getting up some speed and I look
Speaker 1: up and there is still still on the top on
Speaker 1: the ridge line. I'm like, you know, he's wearing oinge.
Speaker 1: I can I can see him for a distance, and uh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. I just looked forward and as
Speaker 1: I'm coming down the straightaway, I look up on this
Speaker 1: hill where it kind of there's there's he's on this
Speaker 1: ridge line, and then there's a little saddle and then
Speaker 1: it comes up to this next hill and it goes
Speaker 1: up again, and then there's another ridge line. But that
Speaker 1: ridge line kind of runs runs left and right in
Speaker 1: front of me. And and if you follow that ridge
Speaker 1: line right across it, he would like create imagine their
Speaker 1: line across it will across my trail again. Where I'm
Speaker 1: riding my bike and I look up and I see
Speaker 1: this big, I mean, just hulking gray object, and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking what And when I saw it, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to think. I just thought, whoa, you know, And
Speaker 1: because it looked like to me, I imagined that he
Speaker 1: had just come to a stop like it was running
Speaker 1: away from us, and then did one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: degree turn and and and when it did it, it
Speaker 1: looked like it literally like planet its left foot picked
Speaker 1: up its right foot and pivoted on its right foot
Speaker 1: but kind of raising its knee up, and then it
Speaker 1: turned and let that leg down, stopped and then like
Speaker 1: like it was looking for Sabo because he had a
Speaker 1: bell on too. He has a bell on his on
Speaker 1: his leash all the time, so he might have been
Speaker 1: looking at that or seeing that, because on my bicycle
Speaker 1: he might not. I don't know if he saw me
Speaker 1: or heard me or what it was, but he looked
Speaker 1: over at Sable and I thought, oh, god, he's going
Speaker 1: to eat my dog, you know, or whatever. And then
Speaker 1: it looked and it saw me, and I said, what
Speaker 1: is that? You know kind of deal, and and then
Speaker 1: it turned and made a left face, did a ninety
Speaker 1: degree tack, turned to the left, and when it took
Speaker 1: off started running, picked up its one leg. It was
Speaker 1: just like a train, just like like like a like
Speaker 1: a steam driven piston, you know. Just it took three
Speaker 1: good steps before it actually got moving at a decent speed.
Speaker 1: But once he got going, I was like, oh, And
Speaker 1: at the whole time, I'm thinking what you know? And
Speaker 1: I also thought as soon as I saw it and
Speaker 1: it started turning, everything, I thought, well, that thing's it's smooth.
Speaker 1: I don't see any texture to it. There's no you know,
Speaker 1: there's it's it looked like a like an old mid
Speaker 1: eighties jogging suit, like gray jogging suits. I'm like, is
Speaker 1: that a jogger. If that's a jogger, there's nobody over,
Speaker 1: there's nobody jogging over seven foot tall, that's you know.
Speaker 1: All these things are going through my mind and I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I just remember it and it's hands. When it moved,
Speaker 1: it was like if you tuck your thumb into your
Speaker 1: middle fingers, and that's what it looked like. It looked
Speaker 1: like just like you know, and it just started churning,
Speaker 1: just kind of like it was. It was running, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't normal. It wasn't It wasn't like an athletic,
Speaker 1: you know runner it was doing. It was more like
Speaker 1: a I don't know what you would call it, but uh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a scientific term for it. But then
Speaker 1: as it was running, I realized, I'm and as I'm
Speaker 1: picking up speed going down this hill, and i know
Speaker 1: I'm kind of outrunning running Sabo now because I'm I
Speaker 1: got the I'm using gravity, and uh, this thing runs
Speaker 1: across this trail and it stops on this tree and
Speaker 1: it just goes just like that, stops and I look
Speaker 1: at it and I see its face now and I
Speaker 1: see it and all I can tell is it's muzzle
Speaker 1: isn't long like most dogs. It isn't short like a pug,
Speaker 1: somewhere in between kind of I would say, kind of
Speaker 1: like a mountain lion, cougarish leath, you know, just not
Speaker 1: not pug, not not full full muzzle. And it had
Speaker 1: like inverted triangle, you know, patch of black and I
Speaker 1: and then when I first saw it, I thought it
Speaker 1: had it had a hood on with like I said,
Speaker 1: I headphones on, which would make it a little bit
Speaker 1: bigger than its face and everything. But it looked like
Speaker 1: it was just wearing a hoodie. But it was kind of,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just kind of bigger than what you
Speaker 1: you know. It just made it look like it was
Speaker 1: big ears or something, but it wasn't. It was it was.
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't remember seeing ears so much as
Speaker 1: I saw that hoodie, the shape of the hoodie. But
Speaker 1: uh so it crosses the road, it looks like it
Speaker 1: looks at me like that, and I get half a
Speaker 1: second and that's where I thought, oh, shoot, this thing
Speaker 1: is either gonna it's gonna reach out from behind that tree.
Speaker 1: It's gonna take me off the bike, and it's I'm dunzies.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, I said, I don't care.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna pedal faster. I'm a pedal hard and
Speaker 1: at this point in my life, I don't care, you know.
Speaker 1: I just I just I was ready to I I
Speaker 1: knew for a fact I was either gonna it was
Speaker 1: my life was gonna end right then and there, or
Speaker 1: I was gonna have a great experience or a story
Speaker 1: to tell it, you know. And uh, it did this
Speaker 1: like a I call it a dip out like people say, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a dip you know, like like I gotta leave.
Speaker 1: It just kind of took a let he kind of
Speaker 1: just like like when his hands was like this, he
Speaker 1: just kind of lowered his hands, took a left step
Speaker 1: behind that tree where I couldn't see it no more.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't two or three seconds later. I was
Speaker 1: not more than five at the most eight feet away
Speaker 1: from where it was standing. And I looked over my
Speaker 1: shoulder as I passed by it still speeding, and it's
Speaker 1: gone now. Mind you, When I say it took that
Speaker 1: left step. Everything to the left, it's an old railroad
Speaker 1: grade through there. Everything to the left of that where
Speaker 1: he stepped, which would be my right, is downhill into water.
Speaker 1: Because of all the rain, the melt off, and just
Speaker 1: the high water levels, there was eight ten inches of
Speaker 1: water down there. I didn't see anything down there. Nothing
Speaker 1: was moving, nothing was running. So I stopped. I wasn't
Speaker 1: thirty forty yards from where I passed that tree, and
Speaker 1: I stopped, and I'm calling for Sabo now, and he's
Speaker 1: running down that hill. I mean, he was right on it.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact he was chasing whatever that was.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying it's a dog man. Now that
Speaker 1: I've had some time to reflect on it, I started
Speaker 1: looking for after the fact. That's kind of how I
Speaker 1: got involved with some of the other programs that I
Speaker 1: you know, what's what, and then you know, led me
Speaker 1: to you. I was doing a little research and I thought, Nephi, Liam,
Speaker 1: you know, well I learned of uh the Egyptian Uh well,
Speaker 1: I can't even think of now, but anyway, so I
Speaker 1: thought Sable came down the hill. I'm kind of spasling
Speaker 1: right now, but Sable came down the hill and he
Speaker 1: ran right up to that tree where I saw him
Speaker 1: last him or her, And he came up to that
Speaker 1: tree and then he was he turned off. Now sable.
Speaker 1: When he's on, he's on, and when he's off, he's off.
Speaker 1: And I knew he was like he had switch flipped
Speaker 1: on him. He's like, oh, I'm done, and he runs
Speaker 1: right to me and I hook him in and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, I stop and I probably sit there for
Speaker 1: I don't know, two three minutes at the most, going
Speaker 1: all right, if this thing's going to jump out from
Speaker 1: behind the tree, he bring his family, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was going to happen next. It's just like
Speaker 1: I was prepared for it. I didn't go for my gun.
Speaker 1: I just was like I was just pretty pretty much
Speaker 1: just like I can't believe. I just saw that, you know.
Speaker 1: And at this time, I'd been seeing a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: a lot of UFOs, and I had a previous experience
Speaker 1: three months before. We won't get into it just yet,
Speaker 1: but that was something else. And I pedaled my bike
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. It's forty fifty more yards and
Speaker 1: there's goes up a little hill and there's a there's
Speaker 1: a table there, park table, and I think the trash
Speaker 1: cans since been moved or gone, but there's a park
Speaker 1: table there. And I just sat there for I don't know,
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes, thirty minutes, you know, just trying to
Speaker 1: soak all this in and figure out what I was
Speaker 1: going to do next. And I guess, you know, me
Speaker 1: being me, I thought, you know, i'm by myself. I'm
Speaker 1: not really ready to get into the woods. That thing
Speaker 1: is big. Whatever I was going through my mind then,
Speaker 1: that just was ready to get out of there. So
Speaker 1: I loaded him up and we got out of there.
Speaker 1: And as we're pedaling back, we go past those rangers
Speaker 1: again and they're just and now I heard the helicopter
Speaker 1: on the way back, but I didn't see it, but
Speaker 1: the helicopter was landed there, so I assumed, you know, well,
Speaker 1: it's a state doing something, and pretty sure it was.
Speaker 1: They were hunting hogs, but I didn't know, so I
Speaker 1: just kind of passed them up. I won't go and
Speaker 1: talk to him. I you know, i'd do the same
Speaker 1: for Bigfoot. I was like, you know what, before I
Speaker 1: tell anybody what I just saw, especially when I know
Speaker 1: these people are armed, because they were using a pretty
Speaker 1: high end Vanelli shotgun twelve gate shotgun that I saw
Speaker 1: the second time I saw the helicopter. I know that
Speaker 1: they were using a Banelli shotgun not the first time,
Speaker 1: but I didn't see any guns the first time. But
Speaker 1: so I went to my truck from there and just
Speaker 1: trying to kind of soak all this in and get
Speaker 1: get out of my cause I got this really cool
Speaker 1: set of cover alls. I like, I'm taking them all off,
Speaker 1: and there's no sooner and I'm done getting or getting
Speaker 1: ready to get in the truck and get out of there.
Speaker 1: A Nissan I think, I want to say it was
Speaker 1: a Titan, that a maroon Nissan Titan pulls up and
Speaker 1: a lady gets out and she's like, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1: And I remember just kind of being being me, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, hey, you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I got nothing much I got to I just you know,
Speaker 1: I just turned the conversation into me. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a good job of driving a nice truck,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like what you doing, like hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of flirting with her a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, in a cute little way. And then the
Speaker 1: guy that gets out of the driver's seat, and it
Speaker 1: didn't hit me because I've got so many uncles. I mean,
Speaker 1: I come by that just my mom or just my
Speaker 1: mom's side of the family. I know there's there's at
Speaker 1: least twenty two grandkids or children of my grandfather's he's
Speaker 1: I've got twenty two aunts and uncles that and then
Speaker 1: four are adopted. Uh so there's there's there's really twenty six.
Speaker 1: And then we found we found out at least two,
Speaker 1: if not three, since then our children and my grandfather.
Speaker 1: My grandfather was ladies man. I guess you'd say so.
Speaker 1: I had three grandmother's long story. But so one of
Speaker 1: them gets out of the truck and I swear to goodness,
Speaker 1: like I said, it didn't hit me at the time
Speaker 1: because it's one of the uncles I don't know very well,
Speaker 1: but I swear it was one of my uncles got
Speaker 1: out and you know, here I am joking around with
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, wife whatever, and uh, it just didn't hit
Speaker 1: me until after I after the fact, a few days later.
Speaker 1: I think it was when I was like, was that
Speaker 1: one of my uncles? I haven't you know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't talk to that side of the family very
Speaker 1: much anymore because it's some other family issues, you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that was. That was it, you know,
Speaker 1: that was pretty much you know, And I didn't And
Speaker 1: it was a few days later that I came home
Speaker 1: and had another event. But I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: I was. I was in the backside of the property
Speaker 1: here where I walk my dog, and it was oh, well,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it was dark. It was ten
Speaker 1: thirty eleven o'clock and it was still kind of winter.
Speaker 1: It might have been February by now by the time
Speaker 1: this happened for all I know, but it was still
Speaker 1: pold and I can't remember if there's snow on the
Speaker 1: ground that day or not. But I remember walking Sabo
Speaker 1: out back and there's a hill there where there's a
Speaker 1: retaining wall, but you can there's a portion of it
Speaker 1: where you can still walk up and there's no you know,
Speaker 1: where the retaining wall ends. You can kind of walk up,
Speaker 1: and there's another parking lot there, and there's a trail
Speaker 1: where I always take Sable. Well, this big dog goes.
Speaker 1: I mean it was every minut as big, but as
Speaker 1: of a Dalmatian, not Dalmatian. All those big old Marmaduke dogs. Anyway,
Speaker 1: big dog. It just went trotting into that trail where
Speaker 1: Sable and I go all the time. And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there thinking, oh, the one day I don't bring my flashlight,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and this happens, and I just I
Speaker 1: just take Sable and we just go right back under
Speaker 1: the house. We just I was like, whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of blew that off, you know.
Speaker 1: And it took me a few, I don't know a
Speaker 1: few times to even realize that could have maybe been
Speaker 1: that thing may have followed me. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was, or it could have just been a straight dog.
Speaker 1: But I ain't seen it since. And usually if you
Speaker 1: see a straight dog, you know, especially with all the
Speaker 1: food and stuff that's around here, you're probably gonna see
Speaker 1: it again. But I've never seen that dog again. But
Speaker 1: with what little light I could see in the distance
Speaker 1: from the light, it was it was just a dark
Speaker 1: it was just a shadow basically, by the time I
Speaker 1: saw it, it was a dark shadow. No I don't
Speaker 1: say it was black, but it was either brown or gray,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But uh, but that's my pretty much
Speaker 1: my whole dog man experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does make you wonder if the second
Speaker 2: one that you saw there was a dog man or
Speaker 2: if it was just a big straight dog. It's really
Speaker 2: hard to say. And of course, not everything that runs
Speaker 2: around on all four legs, and you know this, not
Speaker 2: everything that runs around on all four legs out there
Speaker 2: that is can it in appearance is a dog man?
Speaker 2: And we talked about that before. You're the first one
Speaker 2: to acknowledge that fact. But it really does make you
Speaker 2: wonder if it was that big, what it was.
Speaker 1: You know, and if it was, it wasn't as big
Speaker 1: as it was, if it was the same thing, it
Speaker 1: wasn't the same size. It was big, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: as big as what I saw that day that that first,
Speaker 1: the first experience I had with a dog man. It
Speaker 1: was not that big because this thing, I mean, it
Speaker 1: had to be I'm must say nine to And I
Speaker 1: went back out there and kind of used the tree
Speaker 1: to kind of figure without a ruler. I kind of
Speaker 1: maybe on the high side, twelve feet I doubt it,
Speaker 1: but i' must say nine ten foot for sure. You know,
Speaker 1: it was pretty big, and it just it was it
Speaker 1: looked just like if to me when it turned to
Speaker 1: its and it just looked like a dog if it
Speaker 1: would even put its legs up on a tree or
Speaker 1: something and stretch out. That chest was just very pronounced,
Speaker 1: very very much so like a like a dog, and
Speaker 1: very skinny at the waist. But it seemed like to
Speaker 1: me it's legs and everything were just not in the
Speaker 1: right portion. It just and then the way it took
Speaker 1: off and chugged those first three times, I almost thought
Speaker 1: it was wounded or maybe with it in its color,
Speaker 1: in its smoothness, I was just like, man, that thing
Speaker 1: was in some kind of transformational stage, like it was
Speaker 1: about to you know, beat me up, Scottie or something
Speaker 1: kind of heal. And but I didn't. I don't remember
Speaker 1: seeing a tail, and I don't remember seeing fur. I
Speaker 1: just remember it was literally like it was just wearing
Speaker 1: a jogging suit, very smooth texture, you know, and your
Speaker 1: arms were big and muscular, like like kind of like
Speaker 1: the ones that you know on your little picture there
Speaker 1: on the left of the screen. They were just like straight,
Speaker 1: you know, just there weren't defined. There weren't nothing but
Speaker 1: his back his rear legs. Look, I mean, there was
Speaker 1: a distinct difference. They were like big and muscular and
Speaker 1: just misproportion when it turned and it had that leg
Speaker 1: up and it just went chug, chug chug, and I
Speaker 1: say chug, but you get it, and it just but
Speaker 1: it ran through the woods. There wasn't and I've been
Speaker 1: back there Samson walked that ridge line and there's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of stuff that slowed me down, and this
Speaker 1: thing was gaining speed. There wasn't nothing stopping and going
Speaker 1: through there. But I didn't, you know, with the wind
Speaker 1: and the music going and everything. What's odd though, I've
Speaker 1: been back fifteen twenty times since then, But now when
Speaker 1: I go through that area, I do not get a
Speaker 1: signal from my phone in that area no more. So
Speaker 1: I don't hear any music when I go through that
Speaker 1: area anymore. And I don't know why, but now most
Speaker 1: every time I stop, I stop, and I and I
Speaker 1: probably can't remember exactly what tree it was. And I
Speaker 1: wish if I'd had more wherewithal about me, I would
Speaker 1: have stopped and looked for footprints and marked the tree,
Speaker 1: you know, and all that, and took pictures. But I
Speaker 1: just wanted to get out of there. And yeah, because
Speaker 1: it was just a really eery feeling, because you know
Speaker 1: when you when you're sitting there, you think, you know,
Speaker 1: with everything I've been through in my life, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I may be dead in the next few seconds. I
Speaker 1: kind of didn't want to die there, you know. So
Speaker 1: but I still know know when I go back and
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't let the experience, you know, get
Speaker 1: to me or nothing. I go back there. I didn't
Speaker 1: go back there for a good probably six eight weeks
Speaker 1: after that, but I've been back quite a few times
Speaker 1: after that and since then. But now I just sit
Speaker 1: there and I talk to it, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: There's people come around the woods and their little electric bikes,
Speaker 1: you know, hearing me talking because I speak out loud
Speaker 1: when I talk to them now. But I'm just like,
Speaker 1: if you're out there, you know, I'd love to see
Speaker 1: it again, you know kind of deal. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just can't explain it. I mean, it's it's it.
Speaker 1: We were talking before the show. You know, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have probably seen it again. I would.
Speaker 2: Well, as long as you can say that, then that's
Speaker 2: a good thing. That's a really good thing. And he
Speaker 2: said it didn't look like it was injured to you
Speaker 2: making a move the way it did, But do you
Speaker 2: think it might have been sick? And that's why it
Speaker 2: looked the way that it did.
Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking it could have been injured. It
Speaker 1: was like I think my first thoughts were, it's either
Speaker 1: injured or in some kind of transformational phase, which is
Speaker 1: why it seemed like it was moving kind of weird
Speaker 1: because we like when it was running, it wasn't running
Speaker 1: like we would run. It was just it kind of
Speaker 1: had this different, like just different movement to it. I
Speaker 1: remember that, you know, But I didn't, like I said
Speaker 1: it when it looked at me, and I knew I
Speaker 1: was looking at it, and I didn't really see its
Speaker 1: eyes as much as I've seen. What I thought was
Speaker 1: a mask, you know, like a raccoon mask almost, And
Speaker 1: I just thought, you know, this thing isn't mean it's
Speaker 1: it's not out to hurt me. It's you know, but
Speaker 1: I was still I was ready for when I went
Speaker 1: by that tree, I thought, oh man, that's why I
Speaker 1: was gaining speed. I said, fit reaches out and grabs me.
Speaker 1: It's it's just gonna knock me off, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: hurt really bad. And it could be you know, if
Speaker 1: it did knock me off that could kill me alone.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been through two motorcycle wrecks. I know
Speaker 1: it comes to a sudden stoppings life, but I didn't
Speaker 1: care at that time. I just thought it, well, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna pick up speed someone now. And I sit
Speaker 1: there back in the wonder I was like, if I stopped,
Speaker 1: would it have stayed? You know, would it have you know,
Speaker 1: it might? And I think they choose you. You know,
Speaker 1: I think your energy is what draw either draws them
Speaker 1: to you or you're just lucky. I mean they show
Speaker 1: I think they just show themselves to who they want to.
Speaker 1: Or if you're really quiet and you catch them around,
Speaker 1: you know, some kind of noise or water running, maybe
Speaker 1: they're not paying as much attention, maybe they're relaxing. I
Speaker 1: think the lucky people are lucky. But I think this
Speaker 1: one chose me because of the experience I had three
Speaker 1: months before, and all the little weird things that happened
Speaker 1: for that, you know, and everything I've seen, you know,
Speaker 1: in the in my life. It just I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's this world's too big to say we're
Speaker 1: the most intelligent, biggest, brightest, strongest things walking this planet.
Speaker 1: I'm of the persuasion that we've been being lied to
Speaker 1: about everything ever since before Roman times. They've been changing,
Speaker 1: manipulating the story for power and greed. They've been they
Speaker 1: control us through the media, through our education, just like
Speaker 1: they've been doing for thousands of years. We've been being
Speaker 1: like to. So how is it they can say this
Speaker 1: doesn't exist, but I just saw it, you know, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I just it's you know, small world, a huge planet.
Speaker 1: There's too much out there, too much, too much, too
Speaker 1: much energy, too much everything for me to believe that
Speaker 1: we're we're the only thing walking this planet. And if
Speaker 1: they can come and go as they please, like interdimensional,
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah they can, because this thing disappeared.
Speaker 1: I mean it was behind that tree and nowhere to
Speaker 1: be seen. And I and I'm telling you, if it
Speaker 1: was more than five seconds, I'd be surprised. From the
Speaker 1: time it disappeared, or the time it stepped, or the
Speaker 1: time it dipped, the time I passed it. I know
Speaker 1: it wasn't five seconds, and it well, if it was
Speaker 1: five seconds, it was five seconds and it was gone.
Speaker 1: Did it absorb into the tree, did it become the tree?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Did just go into thin air? Did
Speaker 1: it go up to space, go down to the depths
Speaker 1: of Hell? I couldn't tell you, but it was there
Speaker 1: and I saw it, and it ran for it would
Speaker 1: probably be eighty to one hundred yards in the time.
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. I barely covered that distance. I
Speaker 1: don't know how far it was that I covered, but
Speaker 1: I was. I was cruising pretty fast, but it was
Speaker 1: going faster than I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must have been really moving then he was cruising. Oh, no,
Speaker 2: I believe it is that your he around the Old
Speaker 2: Greenville campground a vast forest? Or is the campground surrounded
Speaker 2: by homes and farms?
Speaker 1: No, it's it's a lot of farm land around it.
Speaker 1: There's a of course, there's sixty seven that kind of
Speaker 1: splits the boat ramp and the campground parking lot because
Speaker 1: there's like a little campground or I'm sorry, there's a
Speaker 1: little playground, and then there's a campground to the west
Speaker 1: of the highway. The east of the highway is the
Speaker 1: boat ramp. But yeah, there's a lot of farm land
Speaker 1: around there. Then there's Saint Francis River runs. I mean
Speaker 1: this this trail basically follows the Saint Francis River. It's
Speaker 1: an old uh Like I said, it's an old railroad
Speaker 1: right away that goes through there, and I highly recommend
Speaker 1: that area. If anybody's out there, you know, got to
Speaker 1: you don't want to go out there. It's a great trail.
Speaker 1: It's all paved and you'll see a lot I've seen
Speaker 1: some deer. I saw seven deer jump the trail once
Speaker 1: out there, and it wasn't this during my experience I
Speaker 1: went out there. It's probably two or three times after
Speaker 1: my experience. Seven deer they and they didn't cross the trail.
Speaker 1: They jumped the trail at every one of them. They
Speaker 1: come up about four or five feet away from it
Speaker 1: and they leaped across the trail in front of it.
Speaker 1: Was it was. I've never seen a group of deer
Speaker 1: all jump the same trail. You know, some usually jump,
Speaker 1: some walk it, most of them walking. But all seven
Speaker 1: of these deer just beautiful, beautiful. I'd pay money see
Speaker 1: that again. Just wish I got it on film. Now
Speaker 1: I'm debating going out and buying a drone that has
Speaker 1: the follow me feature. So and I need to put
Speaker 1: a I've got a uh, a car recorder, a dash
Speaker 1: cam and everything. I need to install all that but
Speaker 1: I'm not real good at processing video, nor do I care.
Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not a video oographer. But I've
Speaker 1: been through a lot in my life. I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. If I'd had it on video, maybe
Speaker 1: somebody didn't believe my story, but some you know, if
Speaker 1: even if I had this whole event on video, I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody believe me. They'd say, oh, you're that's
Speaker 1: a great editor you AI did, or that's fake, or
Speaker 1: you had somebody in a suit costume. Ain't I ain't
Speaker 1: about that, And I damn sure, I ain't about to
Speaker 1: try to, you know, raise everybody's awareness to win and
Speaker 1: where this animal's at, to give them enough time to
Speaker 1: try to hunt it down, because no, I waited months.
Speaker 1: I waited months before I told anybody. And that's how
Speaker 1: I found you is I started doing my recent research,
Speaker 1: and that's what the anubis. That's one of the first
Speaker 1: things that I I researched. I forget how I even
Speaker 1: found that, but uh, I might have just typed in
Speaker 1: werewolf for dog man or something, and it was like
Speaker 1: a newbis that I started looking for paranormal or encrypted
Speaker 1: people around this area, and I found a few groups
Speaker 1: and started, and then finally I got I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's been enough time it's been I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's probably over a year by the time
Speaker 1: I told anybody about it. I mean, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I think that if they're out there and you go
Speaker 1: to hunt it, don't don't be don't be one. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to carry the amount of gun you're gonna
Speaker 1: need to hurt this thing. You're not gonna want to
Speaker 1: carry that around with you. I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a you know, you ain't gonna be walking
Speaker 1: around and looking for some cryptid with a with a
Speaker 1: Barrett fifty cow on your shoulder for very long. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know guys that have carried those things for miles
Speaker 1: and they don't like it. You don't have enough gun.
Speaker 1: They don't don't go out there hunting because they're going
Speaker 1: to turn the tables on you quick because if if
Speaker 1: you might get wrong. But there's more, there's more of
Speaker 1: them than there are of us, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: out the wolds. I think that's just my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: I just I don't I don't believe in hunt them.
Speaker 1: Just I'm not one. I'm not even gonna hunt elk.
Speaker 1: It's just too much work, you know, I want to.
Speaker 1: I want an eighty pound dough. Give me a pound.
Speaker 1: I'll take that, you know. I take a couple of
Speaker 1: those over one big bug, you know. So, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: beautiful creature though, whatever it was, and if it was
Speaker 1: just my mind, I gotta move an imagination. But there's
Speaker 1: too many people out there with these experiences, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it be bigfoot, sasquatch or well same thing bigfoot
Speaker 1: or dog man or you know what, if you come
Speaker 1: up to me with a moth man story, I didn't
Speaker 1: tell you about that, but uh, I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna doubt you. Uh one bin on moth man.
Speaker 1: Whether it's a moth or not, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: there's something out there, But I mean there's I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. And if you tell me a story like this,
Speaker 1: and I'm never gonna tell you crazy, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say, yep, you saw what you saw. I
Speaker 1: can't argue. You know, you can't call you crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: just don't call me crazy, even though who I am.
Speaker 1: But I'm not that crazy.
Speaker 2: So it's a crazy world out there. It's hard to
Speaker 2: say what isn't out there, but that's something we're never
Speaker 2: going to have the answer to. Poncho By being an
Speaker 2: old campground, does that mean it doesn't have any visitors
Speaker 2: on a normal basis or do quite a few people
Speaker 2: head that way?
Speaker 1: You know, it's closed down through the winter months. It
Speaker 1: has it has its definite you know, opening and closing times.
Speaker 1: But the trails you can go out there anytime and ride.
Speaker 1: I think there's people out there that you could probably call.
Speaker 1: And there's there's that spot where I was telling you
Speaker 1: about where I went to do some recreational activities there.
Speaker 1: You could probably camp right there if they'd let you,
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you approached them in the
Speaker 1: right manner and said, hey, I'd like to do that.
Speaker 1: They're you know, a small group you just want to
Speaker 1: you know, you know, sit out there and howl at
Speaker 1: the moon. Whatever. But there is another access point on
Speaker 1: the south side of the river, not a quarter mile
Speaker 1: from Uh. You can see it from the shore there,
Speaker 1: or not from the shore because that's a big high bank,
Speaker 1: but you can see the other boat ramp that's on
Speaker 1: the south side of the river from that location. UH.
Speaker 1: And I know, you can camp there. There's no campground
Speaker 1: there per se, but there's there's enough room you can
Speaker 1: put a tent up. But uh yeah, there's there's there.
Speaker 1: I would say the traffic, there's people, there's like I said,
Speaker 1: it's a public walking trail. You know, it's in it
Speaker 1: links the old town of Greenville with the newtown of Greenville.
Speaker 1: And in New Greenville there there's some really neat restaurants.
Speaker 1: There's the Midway Cafe or the Midway it's called the
Speaker 1: Midway cook Shack, and then there's the Trails in the
Speaker 1: Cafe that actually has a big foot carving out in
Speaker 1: front of it. That place has got you know, coffee,
Speaker 1: and it's got breakfast, some really nice sandwich is some
Speaker 1: really great Christian people that work there. I mean, you
Speaker 1: go in there and if you're having a bad day,
Speaker 1: you're gonna leave with a smile in a full belly.
Speaker 1: That's sure. The Midway Cookshack is just phenomenal burgers, ice cream,
Speaker 1: fried foods, things like that, really like like nineteen fifties
Speaker 1: style burgers. People that are really nice. I would recommend
Speaker 1: either one of those places there. And there's there's even
Speaker 1: a little there's a there's a like a hardware store
Speaker 1: there in town. There's a like a it's not a
Speaker 1: thrift store. It's like a little small, like a miniature
Speaker 1: k Mart there. It's it's not Kmart, but it's I
Speaker 1: can I forget the name of it. It's got a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything, bicycles, hunting stuff, camping gear or
Speaker 1: whatever you need. There. There's a supermarket, a little small supermarket.
Speaker 1: You know. It's cool little town. I don't doubt there's
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen hundred people in there, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: eight hundred. I don't know what their official count is,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's a you know a lot
Speaker 1: of people stop through there for the for the recreation,
Speaker 1: as far as boating and hunting. You know. Like I said,
Speaker 1: there is a little silver where there was a Civil
Speaker 1: war skirmish right there, and that's where you get on
Speaker 1: where you cut out from the campground and you get
Speaker 1: on the actual trail trail portion. It's where that's where
Speaker 1: that little little uh civil war battle happened. But uh,
Speaker 1: it's you know, you can go there anytime. You know,
Speaker 1: if anybody you know wants to go out there, I'll
Speaker 1: meet him out there, show him exactly where this happened at. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you go out there. I took. I took another researcher
Speaker 1: out there, and you know, he seemed like a good
Speaker 1: guy at first, and he kind of well first at
Speaker 1: first I said something to him. I was, you know,
Speaker 1: like a I think I was offering to fill up
Speaker 1: his tank or something like that and give him some cash. So,
Speaker 1: you know, because this, you know, researcher, I once I started,
Speaker 1: you know, learning about what everybody's doing. You know, I
Speaker 1: know there's people out there dedicating to it. But once that,
Speaker 1: once these couple events happened to me, I started realizing
Speaker 1: there's a lot more people out here doing this than
Speaker 1: what I thought. And I know that there are you
Speaker 1: know a lot of these people. They ain't made of
Speaker 1: gold and money and didn't you know, grow up with
Speaker 1: silver spoons in their mouth. And I was offering the
Speaker 1: guy some money and he was kind of an ass
Speaker 1: about it. But whatever, Uh good researcher. Uh don't doubt
Speaker 1: any of his stuff. And he's good at what he does.
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, whatever. But he came out there and
Speaker 1: saw the site and walked in and did things. And
Speaker 1: then I didn't realize I guess when we talked that
Speaker 1: he was wanting the camp out there and I didn't
Speaker 1: have any permission. I'm that guy that I'm like, I
Speaker 1: ain't gone to jail for Nope, Nope, not gonna nope,
Speaker 1: not gonna have the cops called on me, you know.
Speaker 1: So uh but uh but we we made that weekend,
Speaker 1: you know, memorable if nothing else. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, if anybody you know gets a anchor
Speaker 1: and I you know, y'all know that there's a few
Speaker 1: of y'all in here. Probably I don't have my glasses on,
Speaker 1: so I can't see whatever everybody. I'm not even paying
Speaker 1: attention to the chat. Uh, but uh, you know, if
Speaker 1: anybody knows me and they hit me up, I want
Speaker 1: to schedule a weekend. If it works out for both
Speaker 1: of us. Man, I'll go out there again because I
Speaker 1: go out there anyway. I love going out there. So
Speaker 1: but sables right next to me telling me he wants
Speaker 1: to go outside.
Speaker 2: So if you need to take him out, I can.
Speaker 2: I can talk while you're outside until you get.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's it's a it's an involved process with
Speaker 1: this guy. So it's like saddling a horse and there's
Speaker 1: you know, you got to put on his gear and
Speaker 1: you know, no, it's he's just he's just over here
Speaker 1: moaning at me. So I know what he wants to do.
Speaker 1: He can, he can, he can have a few minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it won't be much longer. I know you're tired.
Speaker 2: You said you're really worn out from the days. So
Speaker 2: I'm going to get ready to close this sound out.
Speaker 2: But I've got one more question for you before I
Speaker 2: do that. For I ask you for you're closing comments,
Speaker 2: and that is I'm wondering if you think that dog
Speaker 2: man was responsible for that missing time that you experienced,
Speaker 2: or if you think something else wise.
Speaker 1: That I can't explain. If if, if, if that thing
Speaker 1: was sitting there, I mean, how does that happen? How
Speaker 1: How would he just say, hey, you know, you need
Speaker 1: to see Because if I had to, if that, if
Speaker 1: that little ten seconds had in advance, I would never
Speaker 1: saw that helicopter. I don't think, not until, not until
Speaker 1: I would have realized there was one there once I
Speaker 1: passed those guys. Because eventually, my you know, I realized, hey,
Speaker 1: that's a you know, that's exactly what a helicopter crew does,
Speaker 1: is they go set up a little you know, for
Speaker 1: an area, you know, refueling point, and that's what they
Speaker 1: were using that entire park parking lot for. That's why
Speaker 1: the park was closed, That's why their signs were out.
Speaker 1: And I remember saying to myself, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't ever about dose stinking signs. I'm gonna trespass, you
Speaker 1: know better. It better to beg for forgiveness and ask
Speaker 1: for permission sometimes, you know. I just but I don't
Speaker 1: know why, why that that that time? Ten seconds? I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, maybe maybe it was maybe it saw me,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it you know, who knows. Maybe I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it well, since I was out
Speaker 1: there the weekend before, maybe it was watching me then too.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't I didn't have any trouble
Speaker 1: with Sabo that weekend or anything. But who knows. I
Speaker 1: mean I never really thought about it, honestly, but I
Speaker 1: know that whatever that's I just knew it was meant
Speaker 1: to be. You know, after the fact, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if that ten seconds wouldn't have happened, maybe I would
Speaker 1: have never saw this thing. Maybe that was me and
Speaker 1: my subconscious you know how I mean, is in like
Speaker 1: manifestation or I don't know what you'd call it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: ten seconds was probably the lynchpin on why I saw
Speaker 1: what I saw. Whether whether the dog Man had anything
Speaker 1: to do with it or not, I don't know if
Speaker 1: if it was meant to be, there was an energy
Speaker 1: above us, a god or something that was like, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: it would be pretty cool for this guy to have
Speaker 1: this story, because that's what he needs, is for more
Speaker 1: people to think he's a weirdo and to call him
Speaker 1: names and point and giggle at and that's what he needs.
Speaker 1: Let's say, let's let's let him see this stuff and
Speaker 1: see how he handles it. You know. But I didn't overreact.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't freak out. I didn't cry, it
Speaker 1: didn't scream. I thought, today's day, Today's day. You know.
Speaker 1: Never never, I didn't want to. That's not the way
Speaker 1: I plan on going out of this world though, you know,
Speaker 1: h do you want to hear I come? You know,
Speaker 1: if I know I've got to go, I got I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go a better way, you know.
Speaker 1: But what I saw was I think it was meant
Speaker 1: to be for sure, because with that ten seconds compression. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, what it would be called compression or not.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that. That was the only I think,
Speaker 1: that's the only reason why I saw what I saw.
Speaker 1: So I had to be in a certain place at
Speaker 1: a certain time and uh like. But but then again,
Speaker 1: I think, why did my dog chase it twice? You know,
Speaker 1: just I know for a fact when we when I
Speaker 1: let him go at that bank, he was he was
Speaker 1: onto something. I didn't see it. He saw it, and
Speaker 1: he either saw it or sensed it, and he got
Speaker 1: on his trail and whenever that trail ended, maybe it
Speaker 1: disappeared too. Maybe that's where who knows, I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: But he's also changed cars before. But I remember he
Speaker 1: took off running and there was no no, I didn't
Speaker 1: see any cars. I just thought, oh, I lose my
Speaker 1: dog today. But because there was cars coming up, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you know. I remember one of the cars was
Speaker 1: a red truck. But uh yeah, just uh if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for that ten seconds, I might not have seen
Speaker 1: any of this. So yeah, that's that's I think. That's
Speaker 1: the only time that's ever happened to me. You know,
Speaker 1: it's odd that I would remember something like that. That's
Speaker 1: I said that little ten seconds and then I remember
Speaker 1: I looked up as I was kind of trying to
Speaker 1: ponder what happened, and I looked up and that's when
Speaker 1: I saw that helicopter. I thought, huh, well that kind
Speaker 1: of changed the change to everything that was going on
Speaker 1: in my mind. Yeah, strange days.
Speaker 2: Indeed, right there is exactly what I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: that a strange day. Well, before we get out of
Speaker 2: You're poncho, do you have any closing comments you want
Speaker 2: to put out.
Speaker 1: There for us? Really? Just you know, if you if
Speaker 1: you're of the paranormal belief or paranormal persuasion, that's the
Speaker 1: name of the show right there. You know. Just keep
Speaker 1: your energy high, just you just you know, just don't
Speaker 1: don't bounce checks, you know, don't go to getting bar fights,
Speaker 1: don't go yelling to people, don't be mean to people.
Speaker 1: You know, be a good person, you know, raise your energy,
Speaker 1: you know, think good thoughts and maybe you'll see one too,
Speaker 1: and don't, uh, don't overact if you see something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, just and if you got friends with you,
Speaker 1: just chill out for a minute, sit around and enjoy
Speaker 1: the show. You ain't gonna see it for very long.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they I don't think they
Speaker 1: want to stick around very long, or they're just checking
Speaker 1: in on you. Whether they're a who knows, Maybe they're
Speaker 1: a fallen angel, maybe they're an Maybe maybe that's how
Speaker 1: they show. Maybe I can't imagine something that was your
Speaker 1: guardian angel looking like that, but maybe what they maybe
Speaker 1: they look the way they do too either scare us
Speaker 1: or to intrigue us. What I saw was not mean.
Speaker 1: It had no ill will to me. It just wanted to.
Speaker 1: It just wanted to. It just wanted to go whatever
Speaker 1: or check up on me. If that's what it was. Maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying it was a male or
Speaker 1: a dog man. It could have been a dog moving
Speaker 1: for all I know. I don't remember seeing anything that
Speaker 1: would say, you know, a woman, but there. I didn't
Speaker 1: see a tail in Nancy fur. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought one of the thoughts that after the fact
Speaker 1: was like, maybe that was my mom checking that ball,
Speaker 1: you know, but who knows. Maybe that's Maybe everything I've
Speaker 1: seen is God checking in on me. I don't know
Speaker 1: God's angels or Satan's and demons. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: have no clue, but I wasn't afraid of what I saw.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness for that. And I'll tell you what
Speaker 2: I think. I'd better get you out of here before
Speaker 2: Sabo over there drops anchor in your bedroom. That wouldn't
Speaker 2: be good at all.
Speaker 1: He drops worse than anchors, let me tell you.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine. I can only imagine. But having
Speaker 2: said that, thanks again so much for coming on. We
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time and you coming on to do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1: Thanks to everybody in chat. And hope to see you
Speaker 1: guys you know out there, you know, in the field
Speaker 1: or even at a function. And you know, don't be afraid.
Speaker 1: You see somebody at a at one of these festivals
Speaker 1: with a a dog looks a lot like a German shepherd,
Speaker 1: but he's not a German shepherd. He's a Belgium law
Speaker 1: I'm just telling. But uh, the DNA test should be
Speaker 1: coming in here in the next few days, but we'll
Speaker 1: find out. So uh yeah, just just come say hi.
Speaker 1: We'll sit around chat and you can buy me a beer. No,
Speaker 1: I don't even drink. I'll just kidding, but uh so
Speaker 1: you just say hi. I'm pretty pro I'm a little
Speaker 1: different put in uh in in groups, you know, out
Speaker 1: in the real world a little more. I'm different, you
Speaker 1: know a little. You know, in chat you might hear
Speaker 1: me joking around and stuff. But man, I don't really
Speaker 1: want to talk to anybody. I don't want to make
Speaker 1: scene when I'm on publish nos know what I need?
Speaker 1: Snow what I crave? You know? What? Would you see me? Say? Hi?
Speaker 2: I hope if anyone sees you out and about I
Speaker 2: hope they do that. I really do. But having said that,
Speaker 2: thanks again so much for your time there upon you
Speaker 2: and have a great night.
Speaker 1: Ye you too.
Speaker 2: Thanks, We'll see all right, bye bye bye. Well that's
Speaker 2: another one in the books. Thanks is always so much
Speaker 2: for listening. I really appreciate it. And if you've had
Speaker 2: a dog me in the encounter of your own that
Speaker 2: you either need help dealing with or if you want
Speaker 2: to come on the show and share it with the listeners,
Speaker 2: please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report.
Speaker 2: If you do that, then I'll be sure to get
Speaker 2: in contact with you so we can schedule a private
Speaker 2: film consultation so I can find out what happened. But
Speaker 2: having said that, thanks again, so much for listening and
Speaker 2: have a great nights.