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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman

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Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you listening. If you had to

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have an encounter with a dog man, do you think

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it could be better if it was just a regular

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dog man or a mutated one. Well, considering the fact

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that tonight's guest encountered would appear to be a mutated one,

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I guess he'd be the perfect person to ask that

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question without any further ado. Having said that, let's bring

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him in here.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Tonight's guest wish is to mean anonymous, and with that

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in mind, I'm just gonna call him Pancho. Poncho, Welcome

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to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, how are y'all?

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Speaker 2: That's great having you here. Pancho, please give us a

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brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Brief bio is I'm a I'm an avid outdoorsman. I

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love going outdoors, although I haven't been outdoors quite a

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lot in the last few years just because of all

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everything that's been going on. I'm a veteran. Uh I Uh,

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Like I said, I I love I love dogs, I

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love I love animals. I love you know, farm life,

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whatever you want to say, what everyone call it, like

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being outdoors. Uh uh. I don't know what to say

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about me. I don't I don't talk about myself a lot,

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but uh uh, you know, I don't drink. I don't

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drink a lot. Not much of a party animal. But

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I like to get out and I like to get

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out and out in the woods. And I feel like

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sometimes when I'm up in tree stands or out in

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the river or wherever I'm at, I'm as close to

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God as I'm ever going to get.

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Speaker 2: I'd say you are as close to God. Well, you'll

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get closer after you leave this world. But well, yeah,

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I understand what you mean.

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Speaker 1: I really do.

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Speaker 2: And thank you so much for your service to our country.

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I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: The recruiter lied Tomy, I was doing it for the chicks.

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He said, they love the uniform.

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Speaker 2: Well, they normally do.

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Speaker 1: Here, I am. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Those guys will tell you anything to get you to

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sign it. Yeah, they definitely will. Considering all that time

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you've spent in the outdoors. He said that you're an

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avid outdoors man. And also you spend all that time

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in the service. What's been the most frightening thing that's

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happened to you that didn't involve a dog man or

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a sasquatch.

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Speaker 1: Most frightened thing, you know, snow skiing. For whatever reason,

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that's my that's my one. Uh, that's my one. Like

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irrational fear. I think it was. Uh, I think was.

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We were in manans Manasses, Virginians skin and we're skiing along.

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I looked to my left. I've seen a tree well,

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and I looked down there and I said, if somebody

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goes down there, they're dead. They ain't coming out. And

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I looked up in my group. Since I was learning

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to ski, they were, you know, seventy five hundred yards

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in front of me. Maybe not that far, but well,

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when they went down, they all went down out of sight.

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like a straight trail because it was a pretty simple trail. Anyway,

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why it's snow skiing, but uh, yeah, that and that's

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that I wouldn't say that was even scary. That's just

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how I developed that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I

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think if if I had to say so, it was

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the actual scariest thing ever. I mean, a couple of

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I eds and losing a couple of friends and uh,

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seeing the seeing the bullet that was going to hit me,

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but it went right over my head because I thankfully

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I stepped down from off coming off a roadbed and

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fire and it went straight over my head. I just

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go right over my head. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thank goodness he did step down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was it was like perfect timing.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd say it wasn't goodness and that I like.

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Speaker 1: I said, I I saw the one that was meant

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for me, and it missed me by about three foot

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was about eight. He was he was he was an

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Asian dude, so but he was probably at least a

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good foot shorter than me foot and a half shorter

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because I'm six four. So but yeah, you know, we

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went right over his head too. I just turned around

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and said, did you see that? He said, get down anyway,

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long story.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, that sounds like good advice to me. Yeah,

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since you had an encounter with what would appear to

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be a mutated dog man, like I said in the opening,

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you're the perfect person to ask this question if you

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had your drothers, would you rather have an encounter with

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a normal looking dog man, a normal dog man, or

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a mutated one like the one you encountered.

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Speaker 1: The one I saw it wasn't It wasn't scary. I

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mean it was there was nothing scary about it. There

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was no like, I didn't see any exposed teeth, the

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you know, the uh it's it's it's face or it's muzzle. Hey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not to interrupt you there upon you, but yeah,

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hold on to any details about that guy until after

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I asked you to tell us about your encounter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd much rather just run into what I ran

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into again. Is it? It just looked like when it

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when it turned and faced me for the second time,

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it just looked like, hey, dude, you're cool, you know,

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or or he loved me or something. I just felt

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I felt like once it once I got after about

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a half a second looking at it, I just thought,

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whatever that is, it's not it doesn't mean you no harm,

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you know, so.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness with that. Yeah, definitely. In our first conversation,

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you said that your dog mean encounter didn't leave you traumatized,

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and you just explain, why does that mean that you're

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open or even hoping to have another encounter with a

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dog man or maybe even that same one or are

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you good?

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Speaker 1: H You know, I wouldn't mind seeing it again if

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it was the same one, I think. I think maybe

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if there's lines of communication that we could go down,

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or some kind of mutual respect that we can discover

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about each other, I don't think I think that would

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be cool. I mean, I wouldn't mind it if if

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I had, if it kept coming to my house the

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you know, you know, I wouldn't. It wouldn't bother me,

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is what I saw. Like I said, I wasn't real

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scared of it. I mean at first I was in shock,

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but I was going so fast at the time. I mean,

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it's it happens really fast when you're on the bicyt. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, as you can say that that's a really

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good thing, because as sure beats the pants off you

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being traumatized and having a hard time doing what you

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need to do in life. Fake goodness, Oh.

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Speaker 1: It could after the fact, or well no, actually, right

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when it happened, I knew. I was like, I think

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I said this in the story. I knew positively It's like,

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I'm either going to be dead or I'm going to

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have a good story. And that's literally what I thought.

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But I think I thought, it's either going to kill

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me because it's arms gonna come out and just grab

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me as I go by, or I'm gonna have a

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good story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're right about the second part. You do

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have a good story. And speaking of that, let's get

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to it now. Please tell us all about that experience.

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Give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Right. I had just moved from Oklahoma up here to

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Missouri with my Family's got some land down south here,

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south of where I'm living now, and so i'd been

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in this area before, but back in the mid eighties,

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you know, And it was just to play ghosts in

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the graveyard with some uncles and well cousins of mine,

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not uncles, but cousins of mine. And I've been in

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the area down there at the Greenville the Lower Greenville

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or what they call Old Greenville State or state park

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slash campground. Now, I've been down there, but when I

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was down there, there was no paved trails, that's there

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were the camp sites weren't there. There was just all trees.

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the cousins, being so much older than me, they all

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kind of just went their way and kind of left me.

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there is a military cemetery there on the on the

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facility on in the in the campground, and there's two

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of the unknown soldiers, not maybe three or four miles away.

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grandfather lived, which which is the south side of the

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Saint Francis River. So I knew the area fairly well.

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the ground underneath me here where I'm living now, I

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decided one weekend to go out there to the back

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out there because I heard that there was a bike

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trail out there, and I just you know, i've mountain

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bike with my dog. I was training him training at

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trails perfect. So we go down there one weekend and

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we were driving down there and get down there and

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that there's some signs out that says, hey, you know,

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campground's closed. You know, park is closed. D da da

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da dah. And I'm thinking, yeah, whatever, you know. So

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on whatever, now mine you it's January's and it's cold out.

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snow and a lot of melt off and a lot

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of rain and what have you that that month. And

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going on. And I got on my bike. We rode

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the trail and rode all the way into town, rode

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burger and shake or something, or I always get a

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chocolate dip cone because that's where one of my uncles.

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just would go driving back road and we'd end up

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out there. We always get a soft Incombe, you know.

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i'm'll come back next weekend. So the second weekend, we

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get up a little earlier, or it wasn't early early,

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and we'll probably get pulling in that place that it

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got it seemed like it was at least nine o'clock,

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eight thirty nine o'clock in the morning we were pulling in. Uh,

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maybe maybe later. I didn't check the time. But if

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anybody goes down to the Greenville Green that that area

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there's like a there's a river access points, got a

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boat ramped out of park and it's nice, spacious. It's

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part of the There's there's like a an old ferry

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site there where they where you could cross the river

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on a boat, on a on a raft. There's some

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history there there. There's part of the there's an old

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Civil War skirmish took place on the on the property.

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back in the day, they you know, some one of

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the sad event. I can't believe that's stuff's happened anyway.

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a sudden, I'm ten seconds ahead of where I should

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what what am I what sensation? As I as I

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realized or as I'm going through trying to figure this out,

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and black Hughes helicopter or I don't think Hughes makes anymore.

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I think it's a bell, but it's an old, huge

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five hundred style helicopter. And I thought, well, you know,

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at the time, I was thinking, oh, it's an old

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farm or something, just checking his fields or you know,

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joy riding whatever they're doing. And as I make the

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kind of turn off the park or turn off into

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the into the parking area for the boat ram, I'm

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just going through this in my mind. I turn right

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and kind of get or it's hard to say, but

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then I look off to my right, underneath the bridge

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where sixty seven goes over the river. I look down there.

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There's some vehicles down there. Well, I go park and

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I realize, being that I used to work for the

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Corps of Engineers, there's two Corp of Engineer police vehicles,

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two State Game War vehicles, and a pickup truck with

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a trailer and a big fuel tank on it. I'm

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sitting everything and I didn't know it was a fuel

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tank at first. And there's some ATVs as well. But

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I just I just remember, oh, well, you know, it's

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I'm here. I'm not going back. I mean, it's almost

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two hour ride down here. I'm gonna jump back and

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or get my stuff on. And when I say getting

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my stuff on, I'm decked out. I got like an

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orange construction jacket on. My bicycle's orange tables, got an

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orange jacket out, I got orange gloves on. It's you know, January.

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I'm not gonna get out in the woods and not

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wear on right and uh so, but I think, you know,

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these guys are over in the main parking lot, over

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by where the playground is and the bathrooms and all that,

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and probably so they could warm up, get out of

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the weather or whatever. But anyway, there's a trail that

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goes off, you know, kind of on the north side

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of the park. I took that trail, and I rode

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right back at them. They didn't wait, they didn't look,

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they didn't yell at me, they didn't nothing. And I

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get it. I get down there, and I remember I

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took the right hand turn there, and then there's a

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little trail. You can either go straight through the campground

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or you go right, and there's an old they are

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not old, but they got a trail that that basically

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cuts through the old town of Greenville where there's some

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old foundations and sidewalks and street signs, and there's a

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few park benches and well, uh not park benches, but

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chairs and seating and stuff that you go by. And

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and I'm cruising down there, and just you know, going

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to ride the same trail I rode the weekend before.

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And I go down there and there's a I get

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on the trail and I'm cruise now. Also, I don't

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know if I mentioned this when the last time I

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told the story. I have a little I have a

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bluetooth speaker on my bicycle that I'm just blasting. I

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like to and for whatever reason, I like to blast,

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you know, a tribal or American, tribal Indian music drums,

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you know, what have you. And uh so I'm blasting

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that as loud as I as loud as I speak.

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Real go and I'm going down this trail. I get

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all the way down to Mountain. I would say, let's

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just call it the halfway point. Where there's a y

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in the trail. You can go left and you go

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over to the Saint Francis River, or you can go

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straight and go into Greenville. And uh, I like to

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go over and I do some recreational activity over there

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at the at the at the table, and I jump

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back on my bike and go into Greenville. And I said,

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it's by now. It's it's eleven o'clock. Probably I don't

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I want to keep it track of no time. But uh,

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I eat something, grab another cone or whatever it was.

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I ate, get back on my bike and I get

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stable straightened out. When we get across the street, there's

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a dollar General. There's a a little you know, Uh,

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surp not surplus store, but like a what do you

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call it? A hardware store? And then a bank. Well,

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I pull up to where the sidewalk kind of ends

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there at the bank, and I'm letting Sabo off and

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I look down at him, and he's coiled up, like

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ready to strike, and I thought, well, you know, he's

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a he's a he's a high high, high maintenance dog.

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Not maintenance, but just high energy dog. And maybe he's

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just ready to go, you know, you know, he'd been

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doing so good, I thought he would just follow me,

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you know. Well, he takes off towards a highway and

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I don't know what because I didn't really I didn't,

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you know, And he took he took off on what

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I thought was immediately I knew he was he was

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tracking something. I mean, he was, he was. He had

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taken a pursuit angle, like you were doing football. You know,

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a guy catches football and you run, you run in

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front of him to catch him, right, And he was

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on some sort of a pursuit angle, and I couldn't

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not just what the heck are you doing? Some yellow

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for him? Yellow for him? I kind of ride up

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the trail towards there and there's a there's a tunnel

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that goes underneath the highway. Well before that is where

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he where he stopped off giving chase, and I remember

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he got he ran through the open field to the

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to where the vegetation line was, and then he just

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cut off and he just turned around and ran right

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to me, jogged right up to me like nothing never happened.

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So I hook him back into the least and I'm like, hey, man,

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don't do that no more, you know, trying to trying

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to teach you the rights and wrongs. The whole time,

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I'm thinking, I'm about to lose my dog. He's not

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even a year old now, you know. And uh he

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might have been eleven months I think that was. I

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know he was, that would have been thirteen months old.

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He would have been, Yeah, he's thirteen months old then,

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and uh so I just hooking back in. I get

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to riding and it's kind of a little bit of

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open uphill until you get underneath the bridge where there's

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a little bit of uphill. When you get past the tunnel,

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you get you know, you go through the tunnel and

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then pass that just a little litle bit of uphill

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and it starts a downhill. Well we got up to

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about I don't know, I wasn't out of the out

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of the tunnel more than twenty thirty yards. And I'm like,

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all right, let's try this again. Let's let him off

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the leash. And I let him off the leash and boom,

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he's gone. Well, no, he ran for we. I got

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back on my bike, start peddling, and then boom, he

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just takes off again. But he goes up to the

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top of this hill and he's kind of running the

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ridge line like just I mean, I can see him.

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So I start pedaling and I'm trying to keep up

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and and I'm on this big twenty nine inch bike,

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so I'm up pretty high and I'm peddling. I'm yelling

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at I'm like, hey, come on, dude. You know, I

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remember my music was going. I don't remember what song

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was playing or whatever, but it was, like I said,

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it was tribal music. So I'm going and I just

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keep yelling at him, yelling at him. So I come

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to the top of the hill. When you get to

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the top of the hill, and it starts going downhill,

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and I start getting up some speed and I look

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up and there is still still on the top on

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the ridge line. I'm like, you know, he's wearing oinge.

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I can I can see him for a distance, and uh,

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I'm gonna say it. I just looked forward and as

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I'm coming down the straightaway, I look up on this

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hill where it kind of there's there's he's on this

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ridge line, and then there's a little saddle and then

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it comes up to this next hill and it goes

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up again, and then there's another ridge line. But that

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ridge line kind of runs runs left and right in

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front of me. And and if you follow that ridge

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line right across it, he would like create imagine their

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line across it will across my trail again. Where I'm

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riding my bike and I look up and I see

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this big, I mean, just hulking gray object, and I'm

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thinking what And when I saw it, I didn't know

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what to think. I just thought, whoa, you know, And

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because it looked like to me, I imagined that he

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had just come to a stop like it was running

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away from us, and then did one hundred and eighty

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degree turn and and and when it did it, it

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looked like it literally like planet its left foot picked

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up its right foot and pivoted on its right foot

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but kind of raising its knee up, and then it

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turned and let that leg down, stopped and then like

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like it was looking for Sabo because he had a

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bell on too. He has a bell on his on

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his leash all the time, so he might have been

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looking at that or seeing that, because on my bicycle

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he might not. I don't know if he saw me

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or heard me or what it was, but he looked

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over at Sable and I thought, oh, god, he's going

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to eat my dog, you know, or whatever. And then

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it looked and it saw me, and I said, what

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is that? You know kind of deal, and and then

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it turned and made a left face, did a ninety

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degree tack, turned to the left, and when it took

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off started running, picked up its one leg. It was

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just like a train, just like like like a like

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a steam driven piston, you know. Just it took three

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good steps before it actually got moving at a decent speed.

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But once he got going, I was like, oh, And

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at the whole time, I'm thinking what you know? And

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I also thought as soon as I saw it and

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it started turning, everything, I thought, well, that thing's it's smooth.

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I don't see any texture to it. There's no you know,

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there's it's it looked like a like an old mid

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eighties jogging suit, like gray jogging suits. I'm like, is

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that a jogger. If that's a jogger, there's nobody over,

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there's nobody jogging over seven foot tall, that's you know.

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All these things are going through my mind and I'm like,

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and I just remember it and it's hands. When it moved,

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it was like if you tuck your thumb into your

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middle fingers, and that's what it looked like. It looked

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like just like you know, and it just started churning,

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just kind of like it was. It was running, but

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it wasn't normal. It wasn't It wasn't like an athletic,

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you know runner it was doing. It was more like

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a I don't know what you would call it, but uh,

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I'm sure there's a scientific term for it. But then

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as it was running, I realized, I'm and as I'm

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picking up speed going down this hill, and i know

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I'm kind of outrunning running Sabo now because I'm I

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got the I'm using gravity, and uh, this thing runs

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across this trail and it stops on this tree and

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it just goes just like that, stops and I look

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at it and I see its face now and I

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see it and all I can tell is it's muzzle

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isn't long like most dogs. It isn't short like a pug,

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somewhere in between kind of I would say, kind of

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like a mountain lion, cougarish leath, you know, just not

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not pug, not not full full muzzle. And it had

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like inverted triangle, you know, patch of black and I

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and then when I first saw it, I thought it

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had it had a hood on with like I said,

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I headphones on, which would make it a little bit

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bigger than its face and everything. But it looked like

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it was just wearing a hoodie. But it was kind of,

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I don't know, just kind of bigger than what you

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you know. It just made it look like it was

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big ears or something, but it wasn't. It was it was.

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I didn't I don't remember seeing ears so much as

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I saw that hoodie, the shape of the hoodie. But

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uh so it crosses the road, it looks like it

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looks at me like that, and I get half a

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second and that's where I thought, oh, shoot, this thing

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is either gonna it's gonna reach out from behind that tree.

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It's gonna take me off the bike, and it's I'm dunzies.

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And I thought to myself, I said, I don't care.

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It's just gonna pedal faster. I'm a pedal hard and

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at this point in my life, I don't care, you know.

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I just I just I was ready to I I

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knew for a fact I was either gonna it was

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my life was gonna end right then and there, or

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I was gonna have a great experience or a story

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to tell it, you know. And uh, it did this

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like a I call it a dip out like people say, hey,

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I got a dip you know, like like I gotta leave.

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It just kind of took a let he kind of

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just like like when his hands was like this, he

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just kind of lowered his hands, took a left step

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behind that tree where I couldn't see it no more.

472
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:02,240
And it wasn't two or three seconds later. I was

473
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,440
not more than five at the most eight feet away

474
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,599
from where it was standing. And I looked over my

475
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,880
shoulder as I passed by it still speeding, and it's

476
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,200
gone now. Mind you, When I say it took that

477
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,319
left step. Everything to the left, it's an old railroad

478
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:20,720
grade through there. Everything to the left of that where

479
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,240
he stepped, which would be my right, is downhill into water.

480
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,960
Because of all the rain, the melt off, and just

481
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,839
the high water levels, there was eight ten inches of

482
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,480
water down there. I didn't see anything down there. Nothing

483
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,640
was moving, nothing was running. So I stopped. I wasn't

484
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,480
thirty forty yards from where I passed that tree, and

485
00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:45,279
I stopped, and I'm calling for Sabo now, and he's

486
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,160
running down that hill. I mean, he was right on it.

487
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,079
I know for a fact he was chasing whatever that was.

488
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,359
I mean, I'm saying it's a dog man. Now that

489
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,640
I've had some time to reflect on it, I started

490
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,720
looking for after the fact. That's kind of how I

491
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,839
got involved with some of the other programs that I

492
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,319
you know, what's what, and then you know, led me

493
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,880
to you. I was doing a little research and I thought, Nephi, Liam,

494
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,920
you know, well I learned of uh the Egyptian Uh well,

495
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,079
I can't even think of now, but anyway, so I

496
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,720
thought Sable came down the hill. I'm kind of spasling

497
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:26,119
right now, but Sable came down the hill and he

498
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,200
ran right up to that tree where I saw him

499
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,759
last him or her, And he came up to that

500
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:33,960
tree and then he was he turned off. Now sable.

501
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,519
When he's on, he's on, and when he's off, he's off.

502
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:38,720
And I knew he was like he had switch flipped

503
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,680
on him. He's like, oh, I'm done, and he runs

504
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,960
right to me and I hook him in and I'm thinking,

505
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:45,279
you know, I stop and I probably sit there for

506
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,079
I don't know, two three minutes at the most, going

507
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,839
all right, if this thing's going to jump out from

508
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:52,920
behind the tree, he bring his family, and I didn't

509
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,519
know what was going to happen next. It's just like

510
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,279
I was prepared for it. I didn't go for my gun.

511
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,759
I just was like I was just pretty pretty much

512
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:02,359
just like I can't believe. I just saw that, you know.

513
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,519
And at this time, I'd been seeing a lot of stuff,

514
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,039
a lot of UFOs, and I had a previous experience

515
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,759
three months before. We won't get into it just yet,

516
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:18,880
but that was something else. And I pedaled my bike

517
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,599
maybe I don't know. It's forty fifty more yards and

518
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,480
there's goes up a little hill and there's a there's

519
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,160
a table there, park table, and I think the trash

520
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,880
cans since been moved or gone, but there's a park

521
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,319
table there. And I just sat there for I don't know,

522
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,440
fifteen twenty minutes, thirty minutes, you know, just trying to

523
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,960
soak all this in and figure out what I was

524
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,279
going to do next. And I guess, you know, me

525
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,640
being me, I thought, you know, i'm by myself. I'm

526
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,440
not really ready to get into the woods. That thing

527
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:52,480
is big. Whatever I was going through my mind then,

528
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,000
that just was ready to get out of there. So

529
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:58,240
I loaded him up and we got out of there.

530
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:04,640
And as we're pedaling back, we go past those rangers

531
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,519
again and they're just and now I heard the helicopter

532
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,599
on the way back, but I didn't see it, but

533
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,799
the helicopter was landed there, so I assumed, you know, well,

534
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,559
it's a state doing something, and pretty sure it was.

535
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,160
They were hunting hogs, but I didn't know, so I

536
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:24,279
just kind of passed them up. I won't go and

537
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:26,920
talk to him. I you know, i'd do the same

538
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,640
for Bigfoot. I was like, you know what, before I

539
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,359
tell anybody what I just saw, especially when I know

540
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,119
these people are armed, because they were using a pretty

541
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,160
high end Vanelli shotgun twelve gate shotgun that I saw

542
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,559
the second time I saw the helicopter. I know that

543
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:42,759
they were using a Banelli shotgun not the first time,

544
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,319
but I didn't see any guns the first time. But

545
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:53,400
so I went to my truck from there and just

546
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:55,720
trying to kind of soak all this in and get

547
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:57,559
get out of my cause I got this really cool

548
00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:59,759
set of cover alls. I like, I'm taking them all off,

549
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:04,160
and there's no sooner and I'm done getting or getting

550
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,799
ready to get in the truck and get out of there.

551
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,880
A Nissan I think, I want to say it was

552
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,240
a Titan, that a maroon Nissan Titan pulls up and

553
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:15,599
a lady gets out and she's like, hey, what's going on?

554
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,319
And I remember just kind of being being me, you know,

555
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,359
and I was like, oh, hey, you know, uh, you know,

556
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,839
I got nothing much I got to I just you know,

557
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,039
I just turned the conversation into me. I was like, yeah,

558
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,720
I got a good job of driving a nice truck,

559
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,359
you know, kind of like what you doing, like hey, hey,

560
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,279
you know, kind of flirting with her a little bit,

561
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,759
you know, in a cute little way. And then the

562
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,440
guy that gets out of the driver's seat, and it

563
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,000
didn't hit me because I've got so many uncles. I mean,

564
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,480
I come by that just my mom or just my

565
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,720
mom's side of the family. I know there's there's at

566
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:56,200
least twenty two grandkids or children of my grandfather's he's

567
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,960
I've got twenty two aunts and uncles that and then

568
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:04,240
four are adopted. Uh so there's there's there's really twenty six.

569
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,039
And then we found we found out at least two,

570
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:11,519
if not three, since then our children and my grandfather.

571
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,960
My grandfather was ladies man. I guess you'd say so.

572
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,799
I had three grandmother's long story. But so one of

573
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:22,799
them gets out of the truck and I swear to goodness,

574
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:24,519
like I said, it didn't hit me at the time

575
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,599
because it's one of the uncles I don't know very well,

576
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,599
but I swear it was one of my uncles got

577
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,799
out and you know, here I am joking around with

578
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:37,720
his girlfriend, wife whatever, and uh, it just didn't hit

579
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,400
me until after I after the fact, a few days later.

580
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,759
I think it was when I was like, was that

581
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:43,680
one of my uncles? I haven't you know, I don't

582
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:45,599
I don't talk to that side of the family very

583
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,119
much anymore because it's some other family issues, you know.

584
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,680
But yeah, that that was. That was it, you know,

585
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,720
that was pretty much you know, And I didn't And

586
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,200
it was a few days later that I came home

587
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,039
and had another event. But I don't know what it was.

588
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:04,319
I was. I was in the backside of the property

589
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:08,720
here where I walk my dog, and it was oh, well,

590
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:10,160
I know, I know, it was dark. It was ten

591
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,440
thirty eleven o'clock and it was still kind of winter.

592
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,720
It might have been February by now by the time

593
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,119
this happened for all I know, but it was still

594
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,720
pold and I can't remember if there's snow on the

595
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,039
ground that day or not. But I remember walking Sabo

596
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:24,079
out back and there's a hill there where there's a

597
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,039
retaining wall, but you can there's a portion of it

598
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:27,960
where you can still walk up and there's no you know,

599
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,119
where the retaining wall ends. You can kind of walk up,

600
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,400
and there's another parking lot there, and there's a trail

601
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,039
where I always take Sable. Well, this big dog goes.

602
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:39,720
I mean it was every minut as big, but as

603
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:47,759
of a Dalmatian, not Dalmatian. All those big old Marmaduke dogs. Anyway,

604
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,119
big dog. It just went trotting into that trail where

605
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,319
Sable and I go all the time. And I'm sitting

606
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:55,720
there thinking, oh, the one day I don't bring my flashlight,

607
00:31:55,839 --> 00:32:00,359
Oh my god, and this happens, and I just I

608
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,079
just take Sable and we just go right back under

609
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:05,200
the house. We just I was like, whatever, you know,

610
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,759
and I just kind of blew that off, you know.

611
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,359
And it took me a few, I don't know a

612
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,559
few times to even realize that could have maybe been

613
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,000
that thing may have followed me. I don't know if

614
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,160
it was, or it could have just been a straight dog.

615
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,960
But I ain't seen it since. And usually if you

616
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,920
see a straight dog, you know, especially with all the

617
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,000
food and stuff that's around here, you're probably gonna see

618
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,920
it again. But I've never seen that dog again. But

619
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,839
with what little light I could see in the distance

620
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:35,400
from the light, it was it was just a dark

621
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,359
it was just a shadow basically, by the time I

622
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,480
saw it, it was a dark shadow. No I don't

623
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:44,720
say it was black, but it was either brown or gray,

624
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,799
I don't know. But uh, but that's my pretty much

625
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:50,319
my whole dog man experience.

626
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does make you wonder if the second

627
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,359
one that you saw there was a dog man or

628
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,839
if it was just a big straight dog. It's really

629
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,119
hard to say. And of course, not everything that runs

630
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,640
around on all four legs, and you know this, not

631
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:10,799
everything that runs around on all four legs out there

632
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,039
that is can it in appearance is a dog man?

633
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,079
And we talked about that before. You're the first one

634
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,000
to acknowledge that fact. But it really does make you

635
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:21,799
wonder if it was that big, what it was.

636
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,839
Speaker 1: You know, and if it was, it wasn't as big

637
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,799
as it was, if it was the same thing, it

638
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:30,440
wasn't the same size. It was big, but it wasn't

639
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,559
as big as what I saw that day that that first,

640
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,720
the first experience I had with a dog man. It

641
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:39,160
was not that big because this thing, I mean, it

642
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,880
had to be I'm must say nine to And I

643
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,039
went back out there and kind of used the tree

644
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:48,440
to kind of figure without a ruler. I kind of

645
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,119
maybe on the high side, twelve feet I doubt it,

646
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,400
but i' must say nine ten foot for sure. You know,

647
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,519
it was pretty big, and it just it was it

648
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,720
looked just like if to me when it turned to

649
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,519
its and it just looked like a dog if it

650
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,559
would even put its legs up on a tree or

651
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,559
something and stretch out. That chest was just very pronounced,

652
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,320
very very much so like a like a dog, and

653
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,760
very skinny at the waist. But it seemed like to

654
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,400
me it's legs and everything were just not in the

655
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,559
right portion. It just and then the way it took

656
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,000
off and chugged those first three times, I almost thought

657
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,360
it was wounded or maybe with it in its color,

658
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,800
in its smoothness, I was just like, man, that thing

659
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,199
was in some kind of transformational stage, like it was

660
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,599
about to you know, beat me up, Scottie or something

661
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,000
kind of heal. And but I didn't. I don't remember

662
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:41,760
seeing a tail, and I don't remember seeing fur. I

663
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,239
just remember it was literally like it was just wearing

664
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,519
a jogging suit, very smooth texture, you know, and your

665
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,119
arms were big and muscular, like like kind of like

666
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,320
the ones that you know on your little picture there

667
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,920
on the left of the screen. They were just like straight,

668
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,039
you know, just there weren't defined. There weren't nothing but

669
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:08,320
his back his rear legs. Look, I mean, there was

670
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,400
a distinct difference. They were like big and muscular and

671
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,239
just misproportion when it turned and it had that leg

672
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,719
up and it just went chug, chug chug, and I

673
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,480
say chug, but you get it, and it just but

674
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,039
it ran through the woods. There wasn't and I've been

675
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,239
back there Samson walked that ridge line and there's a

676
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,280
whole lot of stuff that slowed me down, and this

677
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,320
thing was gaining speed. There wasn't nothing stopping and going

678
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,280
through there. But I didn't, you know, with the wind

679
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,280
and the music going and everything. What's odd though, I've

680
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,320
been back fifteen twenty times since then, But now when

681
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,960
I go through that area, I do not get a

682
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,679
signal from my phone in that area no more. So

683
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,440
I don't hear any music when I go through that

684
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,159
area anymore. And I don't know why, but now most

685
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:59,440
every time I stop, I stop, and I and I

686
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,320
probably can't remember exactly what tree it was. And I

687
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,960
wish if I'd had more wherewithal about me, I would

688
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,480
have stopped and looked for footprints and marked the tree,

689
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,800
you know, and all that, and took pictures. But I

690
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,480
just wanted to get out of there. And yeah, because

691
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:18,559
it was just a really eery feeling, because you know

692
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:20,719
when you when you're sitting there, you think, you know,

693
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,679
with everything I've been through in my life, like, hey,

694
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,760
I may be dead in the next few seconds. I

695
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,079
kind of didn't want to die there, you know. So

696
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:30,440
but I still know know when I go back and

697
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,280
I don't, I don't let the experience, you know, get

698
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,199
to me or nothing. I go back there. I didn't

699
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,400
go back there for a good probably six eight weeks

700
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,199
after that, but I've been back quite a few times

701
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,519
after that and since then. But now I just sit

702
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,199
there and I talk to it, you know, I don't.

703
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,159
There's people come around the woods and their little electric bikes,

704
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:55,119
you know, hearing me talking because I speak out loud

705
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:57,400
when I talk to them now. But I'm just like,

706
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,679
if you're out there, you know, I'd love to see

707
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:05,199
it again, you know kind of deal. But uh, yeah,

708
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,400
it was just can't explain it. I mean, it's it's it.

709
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:16,760
We were talking before the show. You know, I wouldn't

710
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,800
have probably seen it again. I would.

711
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 2: Well, as long as you can say that, then that's

712
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,320
a good thing. That's a really good thing. And he

713
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,519
said it didn't look like it was injured to you

714
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,199
making a move the way it did, But do you

715
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,199
think it might have been sick? And that's why it

716
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:33,599
looked the way that it did.

717
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking it could have been injured. It

718
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,199
was like I think my first thoughts were, it's either

719
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,400
injured or in some kind of transformational phase, which is

720
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,440
why it seemed like it was moving kind of weird

721
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,440
because we like when it was running, it wasn't running

722
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,159
like we would run. It was just it kind of

723
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:53,039
had this different, like just different movement to it. I

724
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:59,360
remember that, you know, But I didn't, like I said

725
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,159
it when it looked at me, and I knew I

726
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,519
was looking at it, and I didn't really see its

727
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:06,400
eyes as much as I've seen. What I thought was

728
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,719
a mask, you know, like a raccoon mask almost, And

729
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,440
I just thought, you know, this thing isn't mean it's

730
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:18,679
it's not out to hurt me. It's you know, but

731
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,440
I was still I was ready for when I went

732
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,119
by that tree, I thought, oh man, that's why I

733
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,840
was gaining speed. I said, fit reaches out and grabs me.

734
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,880
It's it's just gonna knock me off, and it's gonna

735
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,840
hurt really bad. And it could be you know, if

736
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,840
it did knock me off that could kill me alone.

737
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,079
You know, I've been through two motorcycle wrecks. I know

738
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:42,760
it comes to a sudden stoppings life, but I didn't

739
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,559
care at that time. I just thought it, well, I'm

740
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:48,199
just gonna pick up speed someone now. And I sit

741
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,079
there back in the wonder I was like, if I stopped,

742
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:54,400
would it have stayed? You know, would it have you know,

743
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:58,079
it might? And I think they choose you. You know,

744
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,679
I think your energy is what draw either draws them

745
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,440
to you or you're just lucky. I mean they show

746
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:08,559
I think they just show themselves to who they want to.

747
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,960
Or if you're really quiet and you catch them around,

748
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:13,880
you know, some kind of noise or water running, maybe

749
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,800
they're not paying as much attention, maybe they're relaxing. I

750
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,960
think the lucky people are lucky. But I think this

751
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,159
one chose me because of the experience I had three

752
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,440
months before, and all the little weird things that happened

753
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:30,159
for that, you know, and everything I've seen, you know,

754
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,280
in the in my life. It just I was like,

755
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,000
you know, there's this world's too big to say we're

756
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:42,159
the most intelligent, biggest, brightest, strongest things walking this planet.

757
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,440
I'm of the persuasion that we've been being lied to

758
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,119
about everything ever since before Roman times. They've been changing,

759
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,199
manipulating the story for power and greed. They've been they

760
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:56,480
control us through the media, through our education, just like

761
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:59,800
they've been doing for thousands of years. We've been being

762
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,840
like to. So how is it they can say this

763
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:11,920
doesn't exist, but I just saw it, you know, it's yeah,

764
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:20,280
I just it's you know, small world, a huge planet.

765
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:26,360
There's too much out there, too much, too much, too

766
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,920
much energy, too much everything for me to believe that

767
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,159
we're we're the only thing walking this planet. And if

768
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:35,679
they can come and go as they please, like interdimensional,

769
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:41,599
I would say, yeah they can, because this thing disappeared.

770
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:45,000
I mean it was behind that tree and nowhere to

771
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
be seen. And I and I'm telling you, if it

772
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,519
was more than five seconds, I'd be surprised. From the

773
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:53,599
time it disappeared, or the time it stepped, or the

774
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,400
time it dipped, the time I passed it. I know

775
00:40:56,519 --> 00:41:02,199
it wasn't five seconds, and it well, if it was

776
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,679
five seconds, it was five seconds and it was gone.

777
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,039
Did it absorb into the tree, did it become the tree?

778
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,079
I don't know, Did just go into thin air? Did

779
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,800
it go up to space, go down to the depths

780
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,559
of Hell? I couldn't tell you, but it was there

781
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,800
and I saw it, and it ran for it would

782
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,559
probably be eighty to one hundred yards in the time.

783
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,480
I can't, I can't. I barely covered that distance. I

784
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,719
don't know how far it was that I covered, but

785
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,360
I was. I was cruising pretty fast, but it was

786
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,639
going faster than I was.

787
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:47,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must have been really moving then he was cruising. Oh, no,

788
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:50,159
I believe it is that your he around the Old

789
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:54,360
Greenville campground a vast forest? Or is the campground surrounded

790
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,800
by homes and farms?

791
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,159
Speaker 1: No, it's it's a lot of farm land around it.

792
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,440
There's a of course, there's sixty seven that kind of

793
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,320
splits the boat ramp and the campground parking lot because

794
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,679
there's like a little campground or I'm sorry, there's a

795
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:12,920
little playground, and then there's a campground to the west

796
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,840
of the highway. The east of the highway is the

797
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,679
boat ramp. But yeah, there's a lot of farm land

798
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:24,199
around there. Then there's Saint Francis River runs. I mean

799
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,960
this this trail basically follows the Saint Francis River. It's

800
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,880
an old uh Like I said, it's an old railroad

801
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,760
right away that goes through there, and I highly recommend

802
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,360
that area. If anybody's out there, you know, got to

803
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:41,719
you don't want to go out there. It's a great trail.

804
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,480
It's all paved and you'll see a lot I've seen

805
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:48,239
some deer. I saw seven deer jump the trail once

806
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,639
out there, and it wasn't this during my experience I

807
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:52,480
went out there. It's probably two or three times after

808
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:57,199
my experience. Seven deer they and they didn't cross the trail.

809
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,280
They jumped the trail at every one of them. They

810
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,199
come up about four or five feet away from it

811
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,280
and they leaped across the trail in front of it.

812
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:11,440
Was it was. I've never seen a group of deer

813
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,599
all jump the same trail. You know, some usually jump,

814
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,639
some walk it, most of them walking. But all seven

815
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:23,800
of these deer just beautiful, beautiful. I'd pay money see

816
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,360
that again. Just wish I got it on film. Now

817
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:29,239
I'm debating going out and buying a drone that has

818
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,119
the follow me feature. So and I need to put

819
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:38,480
a I've got a uh, a car recorder, a dash

820
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:40,360
cam and everything. I need to install all that but

821
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,000
I'm not real good at processing video, nor do I care.

822
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:46,840
I'm not a I'm not a video oographer. But I've

823
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,599
been through a lot in my life. I've seen a

824
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:53,199
lot of stuff. If I'd had it on video, maybe

825
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:55,880
somebody didn't believe my story, but some you know, if

826
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,039
even if I had this whole event on video, I

827
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:00,159
don't think anybody believe me. They'd say, oh, you're that's

828
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:03,519
a great editor you AI did, or that's fake, or

829
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,840
you had somebody in a suit costume. Ain't I ain't

830
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,599
about that, And I damn sure, I ain't about to

831
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:12,559
try to, you know, raise everybody's awareness to win and

832
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:16,159
where this animal's at, to give them enough time to

833
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,639
try to hunt it down, because no, I waited months.

834
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,719
I waited months before I told anybody. And that's how

835
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,920
I found you is I started doing my recent research,

836
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,719
and that's what the anubis. That's one of the first

837
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,519
things that I I researched. I forget how I even

838
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:35,840
found that, but uh, I might have just typed in

839
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,599
werewolf for dog man or something, and it was like

840
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,559
a newbis that I started looking for paranormal or encrypted

841
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:44,320
people around this area, and I found a few groups

842
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,920
and started, and then finally I got I was like,

843
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,000
you know what, it's been enough time it's been I

844
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:53,880
don't know, it's probably over a year by the time

845
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:00,960
I told anybody about it. I mean, yeah, I just

846
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:03,800
I think that if they're out there and you go

847
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:09,280
to hunt it, don't don't be don't be one. You

848
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,960
wouldn't want to carry the amount of gun you're gonna

849
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,239
need to hurt this thing. You're not gonna want to

850
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,920
carry that around with you. I don't think. I don't

851
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,920
think there's a you know, you ain't gonna be walking

852
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,159
around and looking for some cryptid with a with a

853
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,519
Barrett fifty cow on your shoulder for very long. I mean,

854
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:29,000
I know guys that have carried those things for miles

855
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:33,519
and they don't like it. You don't have enough gun.

856
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:35,480
They don't don't go out there hunting because they're going

857
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:37,239
to turn the tables on you quick because if if

858
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,519
you might get wrong. But there's more, there's more of

859
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:43,000
them than there are of us, you know, when you're

860
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,519
out the wolds. I think that's just my personal opinion.

861
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,880
I just I don't I don't believe in hunt them.

862
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,280
Just I'm not one. I'm not even gonna hunt elk.

863
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,760
It's just too much work, you know, I want to.

864
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,320
I want an eighty pound dough. Give me a pound.

865
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,840
I'll take that, you know. I take a couple of

866
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:09,760
those over one big bug, you know. So, uh yeah,

867
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:12,800
beautiful creature though, whatever it was, and if it was

868
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,239
just my mind, I gotta move an imagination. But there's

869
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,920
too many people out there with these experiences, you know,

870
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,960
whether it be bigfoot, sasquatch or well same thing bigfoot

871
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,719
or dog man or you know what, if you come

872
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,760
up to me with a moth man story, I didn't

873
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,719
tell you about that, but uh, I'm not gonna I'm

874
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,280
not gonna doubt you. Uh one bin on moth man.

875
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,559
Whether it's a moth or not, I don't know. But

876
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:44,880
there's something out there, But I mean there's I can't.

877
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,760
I can't. And if you tell me a story like this,

878
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,800
and I'm never gonna tell you crazy, I'm gonna I'm

879
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,719
just gonna say, yep, you saw what you saw. I

880
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,480
can't argue. You know, you can't call you crazy, you know,

881
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,639
just don't call me crazy, even though who I am.

882
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,159
But I'm not that crazy.

883
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: So it's a crazy world out there. It's hard to

884
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,480
say what isn't out there, but that's something we're never

885
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:17,840
going to have the answer to. Poncho By being an

886
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,199
old campground, does that mean it doesn't have any visitors

887
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,079
on a normal basis or do quite a few people

888
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,079
head that way?

889
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's closed down through the winter months. It

890
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:32,320
has it has its definite you know, opening and closing times.

891
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,199
But the trails you can go out there anytime and ride.

892
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,639
I think there's people out there that you could probably call.

893
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:40,639
And there's there's that spot where I was telling you

894
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:43,159
about where I went to do some recreational activities there.

895
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:45,920
You could probably camp right there if they'd let you,

896
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,679
you know, if you if you approached them in the

897
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,639
right manner and said, hey, I'd like to do that.

898
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:51,400
They're you know, a small group you just want to

899
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,960
you know, you know, sit out there and howl at

900
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,519
the moon. Whatever. But there is another access point on

901
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:59,000
the south side of the river, not a quarter mile

902
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:02,800
from Uh. You can see it from the shore there,

903
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,920
or not from the shore because that's a big high bank,

904
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,920
but you can see the other boat ramp that's on

905
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,000
the south side of the river from that location. UH.

906
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,719
And I know, you can camp there. There's no campground

907
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,679
there per se, but there's there's enough room you can

908
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:23,159
put a tent up. But uh yeah, there's there's there.

909
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:25,400
I would say the traffic, there's people, there's like I said,

910
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,719
it's a public walking trail. You know, it's in it

911
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,480
links the old town of Greenville with the newtown of Greenville.

912
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,320
And in New Greenville there there's some really neat restaurants.

913
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,719
There's the Midway Cafe or the Midway it's called the

914
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,480
Midway cook Shack, and then there's the Trails in the

915
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,519
Cafe that actually has a big foot carving out in

916
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,559
front of it. That place has got you know, coffee,

917
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,800
and it's got breakfast, some really nice sandwich is some

918
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,679
really great Christian people that work there. I mean, you

919
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,480
go in there and if you're having a bad day,

920
00:48:57,519 --> 00:48:59,679
you're gonna leave with a smile in a full belly.

921
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:09,400
That's sure. The Midway Cookshack is just phenomenal burgers, ice cream,

922
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,639
fried foods, things like that, really like like nineteen fifties

923
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:20,280
style burgers. People that are really nice. I would recommend

924
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,760
either one of those places there. And there's there's even

925
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,960
a little there's a there's a like a hardware store

926
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,920
there in town. There's a like a it's not a

927
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,519
thrift store. It's like a little small, like a miniature

928
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,840
k Mart there. It's it's not Kmart, but it's I

929
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,559
can I forget the name of it. It's got a

930
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:41,559
little bit of everything, bicycles, hunting stuff, camping gear or

931
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:46,559
whatever you need. There. There's a supermarket, a little small supermarket.

932
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:48,840
You know. It's cool little town. I don't doubt there's

933
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,559
you know, fifteen hundred people in there, you know, maybe

934
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:54,239
eight hundred. I don't know what their official count is,

935
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,360
but you know, it's it's a you know a lot

936
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,880
of people stop through there for the for the recreation,

937
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:07,239
as far as boating and hunting. You know. Like I said,

938
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,159
there is a little silver where there was a Civil

939
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:12,480
war skirmish right there, and that's where you get on

940
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,880
where you cut out from the campground and you get

941
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,320
on the actual trail trail portion. It's where that's where

942
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:27,119
that little little uh civil war battle happened. But uh,

943
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,280
it's you know, you can go there anytime. You know,

944
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,760
if anybody you know wants to go out there, I'll

945
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:41,760
meet him out there, show him exactly where this happened at. Yeah, yeah,

946
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,400
you go out there. I took. I took another researcher

947
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,079
out there, and you know, he seemed like a good

948
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:52,679
guy at first, and he kind of well first at

949
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,599
first I said something to him. I was, you know,

950
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,000
like a I think I was offering to fill up

951
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,719
his tank or something like that and give him some cash. So,

952
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,400
you know, because this, you know, researcher, I once I started,

953
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,039
you know, learning about what everybody's doing. You know, I

954
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:07,639
know there's people out there dedicating to it. But once that,

955
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,440
once these couple events happened to me, I started realizing

956
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,239
there's a lot more people out here doing this than

957
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,400
what I thought. And I know that there are you

958
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,880
know a lot of these people. They ain't made of

959
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,199
gold and money and didn't you know, grow up with

960
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,199
silver spoons in their mouth. And I was offering the

961
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:21,760
guy some money and he was kind of an ass

962
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,679
about it. But whatever, Uh good researcher. Uh don't doubt

963
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:28,639
any of his stuff. And he's good at what he does.

964
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:35,920
But uh, yeah, whatever. But he came out there and

965
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,079
saw the site and walked in and did things. And

966
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:40,840
then I didn't realize I guess when we talked that

967
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,519
he was wanting the camp out there and I didn't

968
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,440
have any permission. I'm that guy that I'm like, I

969
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:46,960
ain't gone to jail for Nope, Nope, not gonna nope,

970
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:48,960
not gonna have the cops called on me, you know.

971
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,400
So uh but uh but we we made that weekend,

972
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:58,199
you know, memorable if nothing else. But uh, you know,

973
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,239
like I said, if anybody you know gets a anchor

974
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,039
and I you know, y'all know that there's a few

975
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:05,199
of y'all in here. Probably I don't have my glasses on,

976
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,760
so I can't see whatever everybody. I'm not even paying

977
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,400
attention to the chat. Uh, but uh, you know, if

978
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,760
anybody knows me and they hit me up, I want

979
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,880
to schedule a weekend. If it works out for both

980
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,719
of us. Man, I'll go out there again because I

981
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,599
go out there anyway. I love going out there. So

982
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,079
but sables right next to me telling me he wants

983
00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:26,840
to go outside.

984
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: So if you need to take him out, I can.

985
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,360
I can talk while you're outside until you get.

986
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's it's a it's an involved process with

987
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,800
this guy. So it's like saddling a horse and there's

988
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,719
you know, you got to put on his gear and

989
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,880
you know, no, it's he's just he's just over here

990
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,840
moaning at me. So I know what he wants to do.

991
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,280
He can, he can, he can have a few minutes.

992
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it won't be much longer. I know you're tired.

993
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,840
You said you're really worn out from the days. So

994
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:00,280
I'm going to get ready to close this sound out.

995
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,639
But I've got one more question for you before I

996
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,960
do that. For I ask you for you're closing comments,

997
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,000
and that is I'm wondering if you think that dog

998
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:12,480
man was responsible for that missing time that you experienced,

999
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:14,679
or if you think something else wise.

1000
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:23,039
Speaker 1: That I can't explain. If if, if, if that thing

1001
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:25,880
was sitting there, I mean, how does that happen? How

1002
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,679
How would he just say, hey, you know, you need

1003
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,679
to see Because if I had to, if that, if

1004
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,880
that little ten seconds had in advance, I would never

1005
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,840
saw that helicopter. I don't think, not until, not until

1006
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:41,000
I would have realized there was one there once I

1007
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:44,159
passed those guys. Because eventually, my you know, I realized, hey,

1008
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:47,199
that's a you know, that's exactly what a helicopter crew does,

1009
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,440
is they go set up a little you know, for

1010
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:53,239
an area, you know, refueling point, and that's what they

1011
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,840
were using that entire park parking lot for. That's why

1012
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,000
the park was closed, That's why their signs were out.

1013
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,719
And I remember saying to myself, I was like, I

1014
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,159
don't ever about dose stinking signs. I'm gonna trespass, you

1015
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,039
know better. It better to beg for forgiveness and ask

1016
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:15,079
for permission sometimes, you know. I just but I don't

1017
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:21,239
know why, why that that that time? Ten seconds? I mean,

1018
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:26,000
like I said, maybe maybe it was maybe it saw me,

1019
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:31,400
you know, maybe it you know, who knows. Maybe I don't.

1020
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,880
I don't know that it well, since I was out

1021
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,440
there the weekend before, maybe it was watching me then too.

1022
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:40,719
I don't know. I didn't I didn't have any trouble

1023
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,079
with Sabo that weekend or anything. But who knows. I

1024
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:48,320
mean I never really thought about it, honestly, but I

1025
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,800
know that whatever that's I just knew it was meant

1026
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,920
to be. You know, after the fact, I was like, yeah,

1027
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,960
if that ten seconds wouldn't have happened, maybe I would

1028
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,000
have never saw this thing. Maybe that was me and

1029
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:02,639
my subconscious you know how I mean, is in like

1030
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:09,840
manifestation or I don't know what you'd call it, but yeah,

1031
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:14,039
ten seconds was probably the lynchpin on why I saw

1032
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,760
what I saw. Whether whether the dog Man had anything

1033
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,039
to do with it or not, I don't know if

1034
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:24,239
if it was meant to be, there was an energy

1035
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,079
above us, a god or something that was like, yeah, hey,

1036
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:28,639
it would be pretty cool for this guy to have

1037
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,119
this story, because that's what he needs, is for more

1038
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:34,480
people to think he's a weirdo and to call him

1039
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,079
names and point and giggle at and that's what he needs.

1040
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,400
Let's say, let's let's let him see this stuff and

1041
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:46,119
see how he handles it. You know. But I didn't overreact.

1042
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,000
I didn't. I didn't freak out. I didn't cry, it

1043
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:57,800
didn't scream. I thought, today's day, Today's day. You know.

1044
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,559
Never never, I didn't want to. That's not the way

1045
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:05,400
I plan on going out of this world though, you know,

1046
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:10,360
h do you want to hear I come? You know,

1047
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,800
if I know I've got to go, I got I'm

1048
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,360
gonna go. I'm gonna go a better way, you know.

1049
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,559
But what I saw was I think it was meant

1050
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:24,239
to be for sure, because with that ten seconds compression. Yeah,

1051
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,199
I don't know, what it would be called compression or not.

1052
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,159
But yeah, that's that. That was the only I think,

1053
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:31,920
that's the only reason why I saw what I saw.

1054
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,880
So I had to be in a certain place at

1055
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,400
a certain time and uh like. But but then again,

1056
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,960
I think, why did my dog chase it twice? You know,

1057
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000
just I know for a fact when we when I

1058
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:49,800
let him go at that bank, he was he was

1059
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,639
onto something. I didn't see it. He saw it, and

1060
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,880
he either saw it or sensed it, and he got

1061
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,000
on his trail and whenever that trail ended, maybe it

1062
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,039
disappeared too. Maybe that's where who knows, I couldn't tell you.

1063
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,199
But he's also changed cars before. But I remember he

1064
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:10,679
took off running and there was no no, I didn't

1065
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:12,920
see any cars. I just thought, oh, I lose my

1066
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,719
dog today. But because there was cars coming up, I'm

1067
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,519
sure you know. I remember one of the cars was

1068
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:25,719
a red truck. But uh yeah, just uh if it

1069
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,159
wasn't for that ten seconds, I might not have seen

1070
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:33,079
any of this. So yeah, that's that's I think. That's

1071
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:36,280
the only time that's ever happened to me. You know,

1072
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:39,679
it's odd that I would remember something like that. That's

1073
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:42,920
I said that little ten seconds and then I remember

1074
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,000
I looked up as I was kind of trying to

1075
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,920
ponder what happened, and I looked up and that's when

1076
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,679
I saw that helicopter. I thought, huh, well that kind

1077
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:54,239
of changed the change to everything that was going on

1078
00:57:54,280 --> 00:58:01,079
in my mind. Yeah, strange days.

1079
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: Indeed, right there is exactly what I was gonna say,

1080
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,599
that a strange day. Well, before we get out of

1081
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:10,960
You're poncho, do you have any closing comments you want

1082
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:11,559
to put out.

1083
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:19,239
Speaker 1: There for us? Really? Just you know, if you if

1084
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:22,719
you're of the paranormal belief or paranormal persuasion, that's the

1085
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,960
name of the show right there. You know. Just keep

1086
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,199
your energy high, just you just you know, just don't

1087
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,480
don't bounce checks, you know, don't go to getting bar fights,

1088
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:39,960
don't go yelling to people, don't be mean to people.

1089
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,559
You know, be a good person, you know, raise your energy,

1090
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,400
you know, think good thoughts and maybe you'll see one too,

1091
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:53,280
and don't, uh, don't overact if you see something like that.

1092
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,599
You know, just and if you got friends with you,

1093
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:00,760
just chill out for a minute, sit around and enjoy

1094
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,000
the show. You ain't gonna see it for very long.

1095
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:06,360
I don't. I don't think they I don't think they

1096
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,480
want to stick around very long, or they're just checking

1097
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:11,679
in on you. Whether they're a who knows, Maybe they're

1098
00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:15,599
a fallen angel, maybe they're an Maybe maybe that's how

1099
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:22,400
they show. Maybe I can't imagine something that was your

1100
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:28,000
guardian angel looking like that, but maybe what they maybe

1101
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:35,360
they look the way they do too either scare us

1102
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:41,039
or to intrigue us. What I saw was not mean.

1103
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,159
It had no ill will to me. It just wanted to.

1104
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,719
It just wanted to. It just wanted to go whatever

1105
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,639
or check up on me. If that's what it was. Maybe.

1106
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:52,760
I mean, I'm not saying it was a male or

1107
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,559
a dog man. It could have been a dog moving

1108
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:58,360
for all I know. I don't remember seeing anything that

1109
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,519
would say, you know, a woman, but there. I didn't

1110
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:04,159
see a tail in Nancy fur. But uh, you know,

1111
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:06,199
I thought one of the thoughts that after the fact

1112
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,400
was like, maybe that was my mom checking that ball,

1113
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:15,880
you know, but who knows. Maybe that's Maybe everything I've

1114
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,039
seen is God checking in on me. I don't know

1115
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:28,199
God's angels or Satan's and demons. I don't know. I

1116
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:31,400
have no clue, but I wasn't afraid of what I saw.

1117
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness for that. And I'll tell you what

1118
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,760
I think. I'd better get you out of here before

1119
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:41,719
Sabo over there drops anchor in your bedroom. That wouldn't

1120
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,559
be good at all.

1121
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:46,119
Speaker 1: He drops worse than anchors, let me tell you.

1122
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: I can only imagine. I can only imagine. But having

1123
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,760
said that, thanks again so much for coming on. We

1124
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,599
really appreciate your time and you coming on to do this.

1125
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you very much for having me.

1126
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,840
Thanks to everybody in chat. And hope to see you

1127
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,840
guys you know out there, you know, in the field

1128
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,199
or even at a function. And you know, don't be afraid.

1129
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,000
You see somebody at a at one of these festivals

1130
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:18,559
with a a dog looks a lot like a German shepherd,

1131
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:21,880
but he's not a German shepherd. He's a Belgium law

1132
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,920
I'm just telling. But uh, the DNA test should be

1133
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,519
coming in here in the next few days, but we'll

1134
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:36,000
find out. So uh yeah, just just come say hi.

1135
01:01:36,199 --> 01:01:38,719
We'll sit around chat and you can buy me a beer. No,

1136
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,079
I don't even drink. I'll just kidding, but uh so

1137
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,559
you just say hi. I'm pretty pro I'm a little

1138
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:48,679
different put in uh in in groups, you know, out

1139
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:53,719
in the real world a little more. I'm different, you

1140
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,280
know a little. You know, in chat you might hear

1141
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,239
me joking around and stuff. But man, I don't really

1142
01:01:58,239 --> 01:01:59,679
want to talk to anybody. I don't want to make

1143
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,159
scene when I'm on publish nos know what I need?

1144
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,719
Snow what I crave? You know? What? Would you see me? Say? Hi?

1145
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 2: I hope if anyone sees you out and about I

1146
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:17,360
hope they do that. I really do. But having said that,

1147
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,480
thanks again so much for your time there upon you

1148
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:20,800
and have a great night.

1149
01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: Ye you too.

1150
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: Thanks, We'll see all right, bye bye bye. Well that's

1151
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,840
another one in the books. Thanks is always so much

1152
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,079
for listening. I really appreciate it. And if you've had

1153
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:36,000
a dog me in the encounter of your own that

1154
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:38,840
you either need help dealing with or if you want

1155
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,320
to come on the show and share it with the listeners,

1156
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:45,599
please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report.

1157
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,920
If you do that, then I'll be sure to get

1158
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,880
in contact with you so we can schedule a private

1159
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,159
film consultation so I can find out what happened. But

1160
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,960
having said that, thanks again, so much for listening and

1161
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:21,199
have a great nights.