Speaker 1: All right, So to get to four o'clock hours started it,
Speaker 1: We'll pick up where we left off, just because I'm curious,
Speaker 1: And it's not like I'm trying to open up the
Speaker 1: phone lines and make this a big, long conversation, but
Speaker 1: it would be I don't know what I would do
Speaker 1: if I was in the position that Kentucky fans are
Speaker 1: in in the NBA in the NBA Western Conference Finals,
Speaker 1: with Shay Gilders Alexander being, you know, the MVP front runner,
Speaker 1: really likable guy, but his NBA career, he's one of
Speaker 1: the guys. And there's not just one, but there's many.
Speaker 1: I feel like that they were good at Kentucky, but
Speaker 1: they really kind of became a bigger deal in the
Speaker 1: NBA than they even were in college. And that's certainly Shay.
Speaker 1: In fact, Donovan Mitchell's that way. There are people who
Speaker 1: think Donovan Mitchell, in my opinion, was actually a better
Speaker 1: player at lower than he was. And Donovan was great.
Speaker 1: It was the first team all accuither have not been
Speaker 1: many of those. It's not like I'm saying he wasn't
Speaker 1: a good player in college. But Donovan within like the
Speaker 1: second or third year of being in the NBA was
Speaker 1: already a more prominent player in the association than he
Speaker 1: ever was in college. And that's credit to him. You know,
Speaker 1: he got a lot better, took a gamble on himself.
Speaker 1: There was no guarantee that he'd even be taken in
Speaker 1: the first round, so Shay, he was good. But he
Speaker 1: started for Kentucky like midway through the year. I think
Speaker 1: Cal he went with the burger boy, Kwad A. Green,
Speaker 1: who is a very easy guy to forget for Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Right when you think of Kentucky basketball players that played
Speaker 1: for Cal, nearly all of them seemingly were five star
Speaker 1: McDonald's all Americans that you know that played there. But like
Speaker 1: Kwad Green, he's got to be one of the guys
Speaker 1: that you would just forget exists, right, I mean, where
Speaker 1: did he I mean, where did he end up like
Speaker 1: Washington or something. So Shay, I'm sure Kentucky fans love him,
Speaker 1: but they didn't even get a hole, Like, they didn't
Speaker 1: even really get a full year of him as the guy.
Speaker 1: He became so good not to play a bunch And
Speaker 1: then by the end of that season, I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like he became their their best player, even ahead
Speaker 1: of Kevin Knox, who I believe that was the year
Speaker 1: he was kind of his team. So anyways, like if
Speaker 1: you are a Kentucky fan, there's a way that you're like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't lose, because if it's Shay and the Thunder
Speaker 1: and they make the finals, then hell yeah. But if
Speaker 1: it's Julius Randall, and even though he's not the franchise
Speaker 1: player for the te Wolves, that's obviously Anthony Edwards, but
Speaker 1: still Julius Randall's a really good player and last night
Speaker 1: he was their best player. So I don't know, just
Speaker 1: Louisville basketball, I don't know if this is something I
Speaker 1: just have made up in my mind or if it's
Speaker 1: actually legit, but I think for Louisville to be a
Speaker 1: program that has always, for the most part been in
Speaker 1: the conversation as a top ten program. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: Denny really did that starting in the seventies when they
Speaker 1: won the championship in eighty with Griff and then went
Speaker 1: on to become the team of the eighties with such
Speaker 1: a great run, and then even in the nineties not
Speaker 1: as successful for Denny, but he still had some good
Speaker 1: teams that made deep runs. And honestly, when you do
Speaker 1: what you did in the late seventies and the eighties,
Speaker 1: you're gonna still be benefiting from that well into the
Speaker 1: next decade. And I think that was the case for
Speaker 1: Louisville with Denny. I mean, Louisville was such a big brand,
Speaker 1: and then when Rick go hired, obviously you were back
Speaker 1: in the limelight and clarity. Louisll basketball had some very
Speaker 1: successful seasons, multiple Final four as a national championship during
Speaker 1: Rick's time. But as far as NBA representation is, they.
Speaker 2: Is.
Speaker 1: There many programs that have had such success at the
Speaker 1: college level over multiple decades that really just never had
Speaker 1: a lot of NBA representation. I mean, Griff obviously went
Speaker 1: on to have a phenomenal pro career, and you can
Speaker 1: go back to the late junior Bridgeman, who was a
Speaker 1: phenomenal player obviously for the Bucks, who's got his number retired.
Speaker 1: Some guys in the eighties clearly went on to have
Speaker 1: good pro careers and whatnot, but you know guys who
Speaker 1: were big time draft picks. I mean, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to call him the word, the B word, but some would,
Speaker 1: and I would understand why always defend Purvis, although I
Speaker 1: don't feel the need to do it as much anymore
Speaker 1: considering how everything played out with Kenny. And really it's
Speaker 1: been clear Pervios Elison does not give a rat's ass
Speaker 1: about Louisville. I mean he didn't have to say it.
Speaker 1: He's shown that and that's been pretty clear, which is
Speaker 1: really unfortunate. But I think we kind of learned that
Speaker 1: over the years, and we certainly learned it the hard
Speaker 1: way during the KP here. But nonetheless, like Purvis, he's
Speaker 1: not a bust, but he was the number one pick,
Speaker 1: and he played ten years and had a good career,
Speaker 1: but never reached the level of like was he worthy
Speaker 1: of being number one? And that's a tough thing to
Speaker 1: live up to. And I always will say, if you
Speaker 1: played ten years in the league, I don't care where
Speaker 1: you're drafted, you're not a busted. But other guys that
Speaker 1: were drafted either didn't last long at all or they
Speaker 1: you know, played for a good chunk but really just
Speaker 1: never never really were prominent, prominently featured with any team
Speaker 1: in the NBA, Like, for example, I mean the late
Speaker 1: Felton Spencer. He was drafted with the six pick overall. Felton.
Speaker 1: I mean hard for me to say he didn't have
Speaker 1: a good run. He played in the NBA for from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety to two thousand and two. If you play
Speaker 1: in the NBA that long and your employer is the
Speaker 1: National Basketball Association, who am I to say that you
Speaker 1: weren't insanely successful? But obviously that's a very forgettable name.
Speaker 1: To those who follow the NBA that don't keep up
Speaker 1: with U of L. Right, Reece gains one of my
Speaker 1: favorite players ever. Reese was taken in the top twenty picks.
Speaker 1: Maybe what was Ree's taking? Let me look, Reese was
Speaker 1: the fifteenth pick. I don't think he was in the
Speaker 1: league more than four years. Francisco had a really really
Speaker 1: good run in the league, and I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like he played like Cisco was in the league from
Speaker 1: two thousand and five to twenty and fifteen. He always
Speaker 1: I mean, he played every year he played, he played
Speaker 1: in more than fifteen minutes per game. His best season
Speaker 1: came in two thousand and eight and then also in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, where he averaged over twelve points.
Speaker 1: So he had a good run, But you know he's not.
Speaker 1: He's a when when you're doing a trivia game with
Speaker 1: your boys about random NBA players he would come up
Speaker 1: because he's you know, he might remember him, but he's
Speaker 1: not somebody who had like a like, He's not Shay,
Speaker 1: he's not Julius Randall. That just that just never materialized
Speaker 1: for those guys. So cliff Rosier another guy, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was taken with the sixteenth pick, and obviously it's
Speaker 1: really sad. I've mentioned three guys that two specifically in
Speaker 1: the you know that that have that have passed away
Speaker 1: at such a young age, Felton Spencer being one, and
Speaker 1: they now Clifford Rosier. But other guys taken in the
Speaker 1: first round, Greg Minor, I mean, in fact I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that, but Greg Miner's name was brought up quite
Speaker 1: a bit during his early years in the NBA, but
Speaker 1: not because of play, because of some other reasons. And
Speaker 1: you can go look that up if you'd like. But
Speaker 1: like Dewan Wheat, he was drafted in the second round,
Speaker 1: fifty first pick. So you know, there's not really the
Speaker 1: expectation that those guys would would have lengthy careers. But
Speaker 1: here's here's a prime example. I mean Earl Clark and
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams were both a lot of picks in the
Speaker 1: same year and t Will. We know how that played out,
Speaker 1: and I still can never be proven right or wrong,
Speaker 1: so it's just my opinion. But I don't think talent
Speaker 1: was ever the problem for Tea Will Ever. I actually
Speaker 1: think he'd still be in the NBA if he wasn't
Speaker 1: t Will. I mean, there's no nice way to say that.
Speaker 1: And then Earl, it's always been my unpopular opinion because
Speaker 1: I love Earl, love Earl everything about him, but like,
Speaker 1: I never felt like he was going to be great
Speaker 1: in the NBA and it turned out that he wasn't.
Speaker 1: And I didn't plan on having a segment where I
Speaker 1: basically just remind people that there's so many guys for
Speaker 1: Louisville that have been drafted that didn't really pan out
Speaker 1: in the NBA long term. But that's not my intention.
Speaker 1: My intention is that Louisville basketball has had such success,
Speaker 1: but yet the NBA representation has been there, but not
Speaker 1: to the extent that maybe you would expect for other
Speaker 1: programs that have the success that Louisville has had it.
Speaker 1: And you know, in the last I guess the last
Speaker 1: fifty years or something forty years roughly, so, Donovan being
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the NBA certainly helped
Speaker 1: that Terry Rozier is still a successful player and has
Speaker 1: had a great run. I'm really surprised that Tres that
Speaker 1: thing would run its course because I still believe Trez
Speaker 1: was playing at a pretty high level whenever it kind
Speaker 1: of came to an end, and he now has just
Speaker 1: been I mean, he played in Australia this past year,
Speaker 1: so you know, I've never been in that spot that
Speaker 1: Kentucky fans are in, and I don't really know what
Speaker 1: I would do because it would be hard for me.
Speaker 1: Like when when Donovan was I was, I was not surprised,
Speaker 1: but somewhat disappointed in Austin. I want to see if
Speaker 1: you judge me on this, because I know you love
Speaker 1: your pro teams. You're a big Vikings fan. That's your
Speaker 1: squad right like you love So whenever Donovan and the
Speaker 1: Cavs were playing the Pacers, I thought I might have like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who cares what happens If a Pacers win? Great. If
Speaker 1: Donovan gets to the Eastern Conference finals, then hell, And
Speaker 1: there is an element to where if that happened, I
Speaker 1: really couldn't lose because I would be all in for Donovan.
Speaker 1: But in the moment, I was all pacers. It did
Speaker 1: not give a damn if the Cavs scored a point, right,
Speaker 1: And I felt kind of like, Nick, that's mean you
Speaker 1: love Donovan. You know Donovan. You know, he took a
Speaker 1: picture with my kids last time I saw him, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, he meant he said my name by name,
Speaker 1: which made my kids think my son think that he
Speaker 1: knows me, which he does. I mean, he knows of me,
Speaker 1: I guess, but you know, like literally, Donna is a
Speaker 1: great dude. Love Donovan, But when he was playing my pacers,
Speaker 1: didn't care if he didn't score point, and I felt
Speaker 1: wrong for doing that, But you know, it's one of
Speaker 1: those positions you don't really know what you'd do until
Speaker 1: you're in the moment, right right, Like if Lamar is
Speaker 1: out there carving up your vikings, I think you're probably
Speaker 1: not hating Lamar, but like you don't want that to happen, right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: I'd say it's not my favorite thing in the world,
Speaker 3: and that that would always be my doomsday super Bowl scenario,
Speaker 3: as if the vikings somehow matched up with Lamar's or even.
Speaker 1: And you could see it as a silver lining because
Speaker 1: if you're going to lose to somebody in it. You know,
Speaker 1: if it's going to be your guy, then you know
Speaker 1: that's better than it better than it being some do
Speaker 1: you hate. But at the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: strongest emotion in that entire situation is what you want
Speaker 1: for your team, which I think is is natural. Right,
Speaker 1: Like you couldn't quit the Vikings he get tried, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, And overall I'd want the Vikings to win
Speaker 3: at a gd super Bowl sometime before I die.
Speaker 1: So they're they're in a good spot now. They just
Speaker 1: need it needs to work out with McCarthy, I think so.
Speaker 1: I think it is. They're not gonna get Rodgers, are they.
Speaker 1: It depends do you want him to get Rogers? No?
Speaker 3: No, okay, Although I think the Vikings would be the
Speaker 3: best possible landing spot for someone like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Oh, of course, he knows what he wants and it's
Speaker 1: not I mean, I think he also would like to
Speaker 1: stick it to Green Bay one thousand percent. But also
Speaker 1: he knows what he'd be working with in Minnesota. Uh huh.
Speaker 3: He's an egotistical guy. I know he loves the thought
Speaker 3: of chasing that. Brett Favre career arc going to the
Speaker 3: rival having the best possible season of his life. He'd
Speaker 3: be with the quarterback whisper, I still think and he's not.
Speaker 3: I still think he's holding out.
Speaker 1: The Vikings such a good roster.
Speaker 3: I think they have one of the best young rosters
Speaker 3: in the league. There's a few old people in.
Speaker 1: The they're a well run organization.
Speaker 3: Yes, because they've never been like I mean usually in
Speaker 3: my time, they're always they usually have one good year,
Speaker 3: then they fall off the next year, and then it's
Speaker 3: never like consecutively. But they're not dumpster fire enough to
Speaker 3: where like you're like, oh my god, what are they
Speaker 3: doing over there? In Minnesota? They stay relevant and good
Speaker 3: every few years. Just but at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: it's it's Minnesota. There's a curse on that whole state.
Speaker 3: And I want to get hyped up for the Timberwolves,
Speaker 3: even though I really don't care for the t Wolves,
Speaker 3: but like it's at the same time there it's.
Speaker 1: Part of the culture. It's the Minnesota, Minnesota pro sports culture.
Speaker 1: I get think.
Speaker 3: I think they're the longest like big city to not
Speaker 3: have any championships. And even the Vikings are probably the
Speaker 3: best team in the NFL to never won a.
Speaker 1: Champion, and because of that, I find myself kind of like, hey,
Speaker 1: how about it, man, let's like you being a Vikings fan.
Speaker 1: I also have another close friend who's a Vikings fans, right,
Speaker 1: and that you know, I want to I like to
Speaker 1: see it. It's kind of like with the Bengals. I
Speaker 1: don't like the Bengals. I don't dislike them, but when
Speaker 1: they do have success, it doesn't bother me in any way.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I'm like, okay, cool, because then I
Speaker 1: don't give me hope because I know my boys are happy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because they're big Bengals fans, and.
Speaker 3: They because there's a lot of friends yeah that they
Speaker 3: know you're they they're ready to clown on you.
Speaker 1: And I don't like, I don't love. I've never I've
Speaker 1: never done that.
Speaker 3: I know, a resweet or something, but I'm never gonna
Speaker 3: like in their face like, yeah no here because your
Speaker 3: team lost bluddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's I mean again, But that's that's a big
Speaker 1: part of sports, sports culture. I think for dudes, I
Speaker 1: just it's not my nature because like, I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: that done to me, so I wouldn't do that to
Speaker 1: somebody else, But overall, like the Vikings, I kind of
Speaker 1: pull for them more often than not. But I will
Speaker 1: tell you this straight up, just so we don't have
Speaker 1: any weird energy. If Rogers is your quarterback, I'm not
Speaker 1: wanting them to win because.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to because I don't like him,
Speaker 3: and I don't know how I wouldn't feel about it.
Speaker 1: Oh you you'd have to embrace him. I wouldn't, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't blame you. I was your team, you know.
Speaker 3: At least Brett Farv I mean, I know Brett Farve's
Speaker 3: had his his.
Speaker 1: His him, and Percy Harbin would have run.
Speaker 3: Affairs him, Percy Arvin, Sidney, Rice Nasante, Shanko, that whole.
Speaker 3: There's still a bad taste in my mouth for the Saints,
Speaker 3: and recently it's translated to the Eagles because we can't
Speaker 3: beat the Eagles in the playoffs. But there's at least
Speaker 3: Brett Favre was kind of liked back then, whereon Rodgers
Speaker 3: he seems to have burned his bridges. I do think
Speaker 3: one hundred percent they're waiting to see how McCarthy is,
Speaker 3: and he's waiting to get the if they're not one
Speaker 3: hundred percent sure about JJ McCarthy being the starting quarterback,
Speaker 3: then they're going to bring in Aaron Rodgers and he's
Speaker 3: just you think he really needs to go to mandatory
Speaker 3: OTAs or he needs to go to training camp. He's
Speaker 3: at this point in his life where he he's not
Speaker 3: going to commit to a team. Now.
Speaker 1: When ever he does, it's going to be two weeks
Speaker 1: before the Season's best thing for Jay. The most likelihood
Speaker 1: of it working out with JJ McCarthy as you just
Speaker 1: making him the guy and not I mean, I think
Speaker 1: who's to say it would for sure stun his growth.
Speaker 1: But I feel like in this position, you let you
Speaker 1: let what's his name go because you felt good about McCarthy,
Speaker 1: And then if you decide to bring in Rodgers again
Speaker 1: and it's not the optics wouldn't be terrible because again
Speaker 1: it's Rogers. But at the same point in time, like
Speaker 1: if he was your guy, you wouldn't do that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's you could maybe, well,
Speaker 1: we were gonna get him a little more time to
Speaker 1: get settled in he's still getting healthy. But like nobody
Speaker 1: would believe that it would be it would be very
Speaker 1: much a and this may not even be the case,
Speaker 1: but everybody would see this is that you actually don't
Speaker 1: think you have you know, how we thought you had
Speaker 1: it McCarthy, right, even if that's not legit, even if
Speaker 1: that's not fair, they would have to understand that that
Speaker 1: would be the optics of it. Kind of like when
Speaker 1: Pennix was drafted by the Falcons, say what they want.
Speaker 1: The Falcons knew they didn't really have what they wanted
Speaker 1: in kirk Cousins, right like they you know, he hadn't
Speaker 1: played it down yet for him, had he No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they'd had him, he'd been around, and they still
Speaker 1: drafted who they drafted, and it played out the way
Speaker 1: that they I mean, who knows what Pennix ends up doing,
Speaker 1: but I mean like they they kind of showed their
Speaker 1: hand and then we saw there and we saw, you know,
Speaker 1: they teased us a little bit as far as what
Speaker 1: they were thinking. And then sure enough it played out
Speaker 1: tho way. And obviously kirk Cousins got her, But even
Speaker 1: before that, he wasn't he wouldn't do it anything special.
Speaker 1: But Rogers is, let me put it this way. With Rogers,
Speaker 1: I don't like him at all, really haven't ever but
Speaker 1: I also think he's insanely good. Now he hasn't shown
Speaker 1: that recently. I mean, the end in Green Bay wasn't great,
Speaker 1: and honestly, in New York they were better without him.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of variables in play there
Speaker 1: as far as what led to them, but they had
Speaker 1: a less successful football team when he was their starting
Speaker 1: quarterback compared to whenever he was there and hurt. Like,
Speaker 1: that's just that's that's the facts. That doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: it's all his fault, but that's that's the way it
Speaker 1: played out. But Rogers is an unrespectable villain because he
Speaker 1: doesn't believe he's like Draymond Green. I hate Draymond Green,
Speaker 1: but I respect him because he's a good villain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's fine with you hating him. He you know, for
Speaker 1: the most part, doesn't play victim, although he actually did
Speaker 1: recently about you know, being angry or whatever. But like
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's not surprised that people hate him. He
Speaker 1: wears it. He is who he is, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's a good villain. Rogers is a fake villain. He
Speaker 1: doesn't think he should be. He acts as if he
Speaker 1: doesn't care what people think. But every single thing he
Speaker 1: does in his life is for attention. Yeah, everything absolutely
Speaker 1: the nonchalant I'm just hanging out in the woods. You
Speaker 1: do that for attention? Self centered? Yeah, like you have
Speaker 1: alienated yourself or they've alienated themselves from you, meaning his family.
Speaker 1: I don't really know the specifics of what played out there,
Speaker 1: but like, to me, he's a sociopath. Like that's a
Speaker 1: strong word to say, considering I've never met the man,
Speaker 1: but like Rogers plays off like I don't see what
Speaker 1: the big deal is. I don't know why people are
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what, but like he has
Speaker 1: such a I'm actually just on a different level intellectually
Speaker 1: than anybody else, So you guys just can't relate. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm in a different space. And like maybe he
Speaker 1: really is a hippieess from California, so maybe that does
Speaker 1: check out. But to me, he is the most insecure
Speaker 1: all always knowing what people say about him. He does
Speaker 1: things to get them to say things about him, and
Speaker 1: then he plays like was everybody like I don't get it, Like, no, weird,
Speaker 1: do you know what you're doing? You idiot? Like I
Speaker 1: can't stand him. So again, I'm just letting you know
Speaker 1: I'm anti Vikings. If he's the quarterbacks, I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't factor in. I wouldn't I wouldn't completely factor out him.
Speaker 1: Joining if something happens and McCarthy isn't, isn't the guy.
Speaker 1: But I am a staunch JJ McCarthy believer. I thought
Speaker 1: that he was a second best yer have. I will say,
Speaker 1: if it works out, I will be able to vouch
Speaker 1: that you were a Day one guy that believed that
Speaker 1: he was the guy they should have drafted. And you
Speaker 1: believe he is the guy that even when, even when
Speaker 1: what's his name Darnold was lighting it up and looked
Speaker 1: like he was an MVP candidate, you still believe that
Speaker 1: the next year should be McCarthy was always it was
Speaker 1: always mcarthy.
Speaker 3: It's always JJ. He was always j JJ to JJ
Speaker 3: is something I've always imagined. The kids won at every
Speaker 3: single level he's been at. I mean, I guess you
Speaker 3: could say that handoff merchant, the Jim Harball merchant, but
Speaker 3: Jim Harball is first of all, damn good coach. It's
Speaker 3: one in the NFL, and he's one in college football too.
Speaker 3: Whatever whatever the video thing is last year, I don't
Speaker 3: really understand with the whole cheating thing, but like JJ
Speaker 3: McCarthy was the quarterback of the best Michigan team that
Speaker 3: they probably ever had, and.
Speaker 1: I think it. I think Harball is a phenomenal coach.
Speaker 3: I think I think the Charters are gonna be good
Speaker 3: this year. And I don't really love Justin Herbert, but
Speaker 3: I think that they're going the way that he runs
Speaker 3: a football team. JJ, Jim Harbaugh is is one heck
Speaker 3: of a coach. He is and everything just kind of
Speaker 3: tailed off with him.
Speaker 1: And and he was always a better fit in the
Speaker 1: NFL than in college. But he just wanted to go
Speaker 1: to Michigan and you know, he might have had to
Speaker 1: cheat to do it, but he got them the championship
Speaker 1: and he was out and I think he'll and he was.
Speaker 1: Look when he walked away from the NFL, or maybe
Speaker 1: the Niners walked away from him, he could have at
Speaker 1: any point, since he no longer was the coach of
Speaker 1: the Niners, Harball could have worked in the NFL at
Speaker 1: any point, absolutely, for any for not I shouldn't see
Speaker 1: any team, but there's always would have been a team
Speaker 1: every year that would have hired him because he's he's
Speaker 1: proven to be that good of a coach and to.
Speaker 3: Put to put a bow on the Vikings talk here
Speaker 3: like Kevin one school baby.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell is one heck of a coach too. He's
Speaker 3: obviously a Coach of the Year last year, and I've
Speaker 3: seen him win with I've seen him win with Josh
Speaker 3: Dobbs for three weeks.
Speaker 1: So when he jilt out to Josh Dobbs, I forgot
Speaker 1: about that pastronaut man. He went from being a guy
Speaker 1: that was just lucky to be on a practice squad
Speaker 1: at every team in the league seemingly, to then being
Speaker 1: implemented as the guy for the Vikings and they were winning.
Speaker 1: And then now he's back to where he.
Speaker 3: Was, Isn't he like? Is he He's just bouncing around
Speaker 3: and he's he's back to being a journeyman. He had
Speaker 3: a fun three weeks. You can't convince me that that
Speaker 3: era was real, but it was. I remember they were
Speaker 3: talking about that what the Falcons game. He had just
Speaker 3: got off the plane, hadn't even met any of his teammates,
Speaker 3: and Kevin O'Connell's in his headset saying, okay, this is
Speaker 3: how the players are run He's literally telling him what
Speaker 3: to do, and that give me a lot of respect.
Speaker 1: Like he picked up the sticks at PlayStation and just
Speaker 1: started dialing it up. I mean it was get the tutorials. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care. I'll learn on the fly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it worked out for at least a little while.
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I feel like in the
Speaker 1: next uh, in the next couple weeks, maybe not even
Speaker 1: that long, we're going to find out if there's real
Speaker 1: momentum or if there's real pushback in regards to this
Speaker 1: affiliation agreement that the power for conferences are working towards
Speaker 1: getting everybody to sign. So this was big news yesterday
Speaker 1: as the NAA's president, Charlie Baker confirmed that they are
Speaker 1: conceding enforcement. They are no longer going to, I guess,
Speaker 1: attempt to control what is and what is not allowed,
Speaker 1: because it's been pretty evident that in the court system,
Speaker 1: even when they do have good intentions and they're trying
Speaker 1: to just get things regulated, clean it up, they don't
Speaker 1: have any power. And I think again, as I've mentioned
Speaker 1: many times, the root of that is because they just
Speaker 1: never budge from their ancient, archaic amateurism model, and that's
Speaker 1: why we're here. But you know that's in the past.
Speaker 1: And then, to be fair, Charlie Baker wasn't around then.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's new on the job, so what it
Speaker 1: sounds like. And just in the last couple of days
Speaker 1: talking to some people at u of L, the one
Speaker 1: thing that I guess a lot of people want, meaning
Speaker 1: these ads, and I suppose maybe some of the presidents,
Speaker 1: is that we just want people to agree to follow
Speaker 1: rules and not threaten to sue, because everybody's aware that
Speaker 1: that's going to be a loophole. That you can either
Speaker 1: sue and get what you want to bypass rules, or
Speaker 1: you can do that in by time. And what really
Speaker 1: hit me in the last twenty four hours is I've
Speaker 1: kind of just one did a little more looking into
Speaker 1: this situation, and really I'm following along with Ross Dellinger
Speaker 1: because he's just been phenomenal his coverage and he's been
Speaker 1: the go to guy when it comes to this entire situation,
Speaker 1: and really the house be NCAA settlement and all that,
Speaker 1: so you're just gonna you needing everybody on the same
Speaker 1: page doesn't seem like such a tall task. But I
Speaker 1: think there are some schools that realize, despite it being
Speaker 1: completely unregulated at times and it not even being clear
Speaker 1: what is and what is not against the rules, they've
Speaker 1: benefited from this, they've been in a better situation than
Speaker 1: they've been previously. And for them to just say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll agree to it because that's what everybody else wants,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna be as easy. Now. What
Speaker 1: it comes down to is this game of chicken. What
Speaker 1: can you actually do to a school who refuses to sign.
Speaker 1: It came out on Monday night that there would be
Speaker 1: punishment so severe that you could be booted from your league.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can and can't do that,
Speaker 1: but that, to me would be the ultimate leverage to
Speaker 1: say like it or not if you want to keep
Speaker 1: benefiting from being in this league, meaning the annual check
Speaker 1: that you get from being in the sec of the
Speaker 1: Big ten, or even the ACC for that matter, Big
Speaker 1: twelve two you can't fight that. I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: risk being booted. I mean there's only one, maybe two,
Speaker 1: maybe three, certainly one for sure. The other two would
Speaker 1: be it wouldn't be worth risking it to see. But
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is the only university in the country that
Speaker 1: does not rely on a conference to pay the majority
Speaker 1: of their bills, even if you're in the have not
Speaker 1: portion of college sports, which I don't think the ACC
Speaker 1: and the Big Twelve are in the have nots, but
Speaker 1: they're certainly on the lower end compared to the Big
Speaker 1: Ten in the SEC. But you need that annual check
Speaker 1: that you get that everybody gets because you're in a
Speaker 1: league in that league has a grant of rights deal
Speaker 1: and the ACC network, the SEC network, the Big Ten network,
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve is different because they have different partners
Speaker 1: that collectively have their rights. But you know, you can't
Speaker 1: risk not having that, and there are certain con like
Speaker 1: I think Tennessee and the reason I mentioned them as
Speaker 1: an example is because I do feel like they've been
Speaker 1: pretty they've been pretty eager to fight anything in court,
Speaker 1: and they also to me seem like they've just been
Speaker 1: in a better situation as an athletics department in this
Speaker 1: new unregulated free for all. Maybe it's not because of
Speaker 1: the situation. Maybe it's more so just because they have
Speaker 1: some competent coaches now. But you can look at Tennessee's
Speaker 1: success and also, at least to an extent, believe that
Speaker 1: some of it is due to the fact that they
Speaker 1: can now pay and it's legal. So if the SEC decided,
Speaker 1: all right, well you're out, Tennessee, couldn't let that happen.
Speaker 1: And honestly, the SEC, yeah, they benefit from having Tennessee,
Speaker 1: but they'd be fine without them, right. So I think
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks, we're really gonna see
Speaker 1: if this is gaining momentum to actually happen to where
Speaker 1: we actually have some regulation, or if there's gonna be resistance,
Speaker 1: and then it just turns into a longer fight as
Speaker 1: far as what do you do to those who don't
Speaker 1: want to fall in line with everybody else and understand,
Speaker 1: we've got to get things cleaned up. There's got to
Speaker 1: be rules, it's gotta be guardrails for this because this
Speaker 1: week the Big twelve. In fact, let me just double
Speaker 1: check here, this again is from Ross Ellinger. But the
Speaker 1: SEC and the Big twelve are meeting next week, whereas
Speaker 1: the Big ten has meetings this week, and school presidents
Speaker 1: are supposed to be a part of these meetings, and
Speaker 1: that's where this is going to be probably really looked into,
Speaker 1: and I think we'll get a better feel for the
Speaker 1: likelihood of it happening now. The ACC just had their
Speaker 1: spring meetings last week and the presidents were not there,
Speaker 1: But according to Dellinger, the ACC presidents are going to
Speaker 1: meet independently this week, and I would imagine it's probably
Speaker 1: to discuss this exact thing and be shocked if we
Speaker 1: don't know in the next couple of weeks if this
Speaker 1: is either moving towards happening or there's going to be
Speaker 1: a fight. Nothing would really shock me, if I'm being
Speaker 1: honest with you, all Right, So this is something that
Speaker 1: every year we take a look at. It's the annual
Speaker 1: college football coaching rankings from CBS, and they always give
Speaker 1: you the tiers of coach so that there's sixty eight
Speaker 1: power for programs. Now, so they'll give you rankings sixty
Speaker 1: eight through one, but not in one batch. What they've
Speaker 1: given us today is sixty eight through twenty six. The
Speaker 1: top twenty five will be unveiled probably tomorrow, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, maybe maybe next week. I don't
Speaker 1: know when they're gonna do it. But Jeff Brohm is
Speaker 1: not in sixty eight through twenty six, which means he's
Speaker 1: in the top twenty five, which I believe he was
Speaker 1: there last year. So therefore there's probably you know, that's
Speaker 1: not really a surprise. I'm curious if he did jump
Speaker 1: up or maybe he stayed the same. But by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm actually looking at the entire list for the first time.
Speaker 1: I mean, did we upgrade or do we not upgrade?
Speaker 1: Because who could argue against this? Who could argue against
Speaker 1: Scott Saderfield being number sixty out of sixty eight. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hate to bag on the guy, although I say
Speaker 1: that and then I continue to just at times go
Speaker 1: out of my way and bag on the guy. But
Speaker 1: it just worked out so perfectly. A lot of Louisville fans,
Speaker 1: understandably so, feel as if we've been dealta a tough
Speaker 1: hand over the years, with certain things like our basketball
Speaker 1: program having scandals and you know all that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati paying Louisville to take Scott Saderfield off of our hands,
Speaker 1: so then that opened the door for Jeff Brohm to
Speaker 1: come home. I mean, I can't. I don't think I
Speaker 1: can ever look at Cincinnati's arrival. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: We are forever grateful for them now. I mean, I
Speaker 1: want to send him a Christmas card. I want to
Speaker 1: give Cunningham their ada kiss. I mean, nice little smooch,
Speaker 1: I mean something. I mean, think about that. Well, let
Speaker 1: me tell you about that.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. I was just thinking, because
Speaker 3: you're about to cut a probo on me.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, brother, let me let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: Nick Nico, at the beginning of the week a text
Speaker 3: her at text it in and asking what was some
Speaker 3: of your favorite moments from the show?
Speaker 1: I have to say I.
Speaker 3: Was a part of it because I was filling in
Speaker 3: that where they announced that it was what was still
Speaker 3: on in the morning. It was, yeah, six o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning and big Will, Big Will cl.
Speaker 1: I felt so bad, and I felt bad because I
Speaker 1: thought Will Clark got got Yeah. It was kind of
Speaker 1: awkward for the first because I didn't believe it. I
Speaker 1: used to believe him, but yeah, when they whenever, I mean,
Speaker 1: because it was so unexpected because think about it, at
Speaker 1: the time, we had just found that the two teams
Speaker 1: were going to play each other in a Bowl game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Sat did enough to where he was gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: he was going to retain his job because there there
Speaker 1: honestly wasn't In my opinion, there really was not enough
Speaker 1: to fire him, like you just because you didn't know
Speaker 1: what you were going to get elsewhere. I think at
Speaker 1: the time you knew you could have you could have
Speaker 1: got Brahm, and I think that would have been the reason.
Speaker 1: But it would have been hard for me to be
Speaker 1: super critical of Josh Hurd if he if he didn't
Speaker 1: like if he if he decided to retain Scott, and
Speaker 1: I guess technically he did, but he just didn't give
Speaker 1: Hi an extension. But even if he did' give him extension,
Speaker 1: it would be hard for me to to you know,
Speaker 1: I'd be disappointed, but it'd be hard for me to
Speaker 1: say this is a terrible decision. I mean, I kind
Speaker 1: of believe that it would, but I would also understand
Speaker 1: his position and why he was doing that. But it
Speaker 1: to work out the that it did, where Josh, again,
Speaker 1: of all the things he's done as the ethotic director
Speaker 1: at Louisville. You know, I still believe that both things
Speaker 1: can be true. He's not the reason Jeff Brohm came here,
Speaker 1: but he also can't control that. That's not like a negative,
Speaker 1: it's just the facts. He also, you know, if another
Speaker 1: ad was here, maybe it wouldn't have worked out. I
Speaker 1: really don't know, but hiring Pat Kelsey so far now
Speaker 1: looks like that was a great thing that Josh is
Speaker 1: gonna have on his resume. Let's hope it continues to
Speaker 1: play out the way. And I also know that he
Speaker 1: wasn't the first choice, but either way, he hired Pat
Speaker 1: Kelsey away from Charleston and nobody else did, and clearly
Speaker 1: Louivill's benefiting from that, and he deserves a lot of
Speaker 1: credit because I think what he saw in Pat Kelsey
Speaker 1: other than just a good basketball coach, was he was
Speaker 1: going to be able to absolutely heal us in a
Speaker 1: way that a lot of coaches couldn't. And we needed that,
Speaker 1: probably more than we knew at the time, because we
Speaker 1: probably thought we needed a big name to come in
Speaker 1: and just salvage the brand, when in reality, we needed
Speaker 1: somebody to like remind us, like what makes us love
Speaker 1: Louisville basketball, and he's clearly checking all those boxes. So
Speaker 1: when it comes to Joshua's things, he's done in the
Speaker 1: position that really stand out to me. I still believe
Speaker 1: right now the best one is to not do what
Speaker 1: I think most athletic directors would have done, which is
Speaker 1: to give Scott an extension, because Jimmy Sexton's the most
Speaker 1: powerful agent in college football. Jimmy Sexton represents Scott Saderfield,
Speaker 1: and you know he was coming to herd saying, look,
Speaker 1: if you don't give him a new contract, how can
Speaker 1: you recruit his coaches? They want security that their job's
Speaker 1: going to be there, and if the coach is entering
Speaker 1: his final year of his contract, they're going to bail.
Speaker 1: And actually that started to happen. He lost a couple
Speaker 1: of coaches because of that. So what did Saderfield do?
Speaker 1: You got to find me a new spot. I need
Speaker 1: a reset. I can't go into my last year here,
Speaker 1: especially with it being the first year I'm going to
Speaker 1: be coaching without Malie Cunningham as my quarterback. So he
Speaker 1: found a sucker and that sucker was up seventy one
Speaker 1: at the University of Cincinnati, and I can't believe they
Speaker 1: did it. But they did it. And now two years in,
Speaker 1: Scott Saderfield is four and fourteen and the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: And you know, his best season as a as a coach,
Speaker 1: not at apt State, was his first year at Louisville
Speaker 1: with if I may say, he deserves credit for getting
Speaker 1: those guys to believe and care and buy in and
Speaker 1: play hard because they were clearly in a bad way
Speaker 1: after that last year Bobby. But he did all that
Speaker 1: with Bobby's players, like that's just what happened. So he's
Speaker 1: not a bad guy. But man, it worked out beautifully.
Speaker 1: You couldn't have worked it out any better. And I
Speaker 1: forever am thankful. But seeing Scott Cederville at number sixty
Speaker 1: on this list Austin, it just it stopped me in
Speaker 1: my tracks. If you can't tell, because man, you couldn't
Speaker 1: have scripted it better. Jeff Brohm's home. He's clearly a
Speaker 1: top twenty five coach. JB's our guy. He brings something
Speaker 1: here that no coach can because he's one of us.
Speaker 3: We're getting quarterbacks drafted in the second round to be
Speaker 3: the face of the franchise.
Speaker 1: You've gotten now. Emmy Award winning analyst Nick Saban. How
Speaker 1: about this the rich get richer. My guy's the best
Speaker 1: college football coach of all time. First year away from
Speaker 1: the game, steps in the broadcast booth wins an Emmy.
Speaker 1: But you've got him on draft night, just gassing up
Speaker 1: Jef Brawm's ability to develop quarterbacks and getting ready for
Speaker 1: the NFL. That's invaluable when it comes to the pr
Speaker 1: you're getting from that. So anyways, I only brought this
Speaker 1: up to talk about Mark Stoops, but I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the whole list now and to see of the sixty
Speaker 1: eight coaches, Scott Satterfields at sixty, you really can't dispute that.
Speaker 1: And that was our guy that a lot of people
Speaker 1: tried to tell me, Oh, you're just You're just bitter.
Speaker 1: He he shut you out of his program, which he
Speaker 1: kind of did because I was very, very vocal about
Speaker 1: how I thought it was the weakest and lamest thing.
Speaker 1: Ever when he cried about L's down at midfield, I
Speaker 1: mean like that that, you know, that got me out,
Speaker 1: and I was content with being out. So he was
Speaker 1: never good enough to be our coach. We could do
Speaker 1: a lot worse. We've had worse coaches. He wasn't awful.
Speaker 1: But people saying that like Louislle was gonna get to
Speaker 1: where we needed to be in football with him wasn't
Speaker 1: going to happen. The guy never won eight games in
Speaker 1: a regular season, and that's not that hard to do.
Speaker 1: In fact, he could have easily won eight, like three
Speaker 1: times maybe had he not just you know, had the
Speaker 1: unthinkable game that you can't lose that you lost like
Speaker 1: Boston College. Hey, you might want to have somebody guard
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers buddy instead of having you know him, just
Speaker 1: carve you up. So anyways, this lit just for just
Speaker 1: the reason we brought it up is because I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about Mark stoops is now at number thirty six.
Speaker 1: His high his high was at twenty four. Kind of
Speaker 1: way too high. Yeah, so let's see, Well that doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. It says in twenty twenty four his
Speaker 1: rank was twenty, but it says his high was twenty four,
Speaker 1: his low was fifty eight. I don't I don't understand
Speaker 1: what that means. If you're high, if your high was
Speaker 1: twenty four, how could you be ranked twentieth last year?
Speaker 1: Either way, he used to come up in these rankings
Speaker 1: and it would blow me away. Because one, I guess
Speaker 1: maybe there's the rivalry component of it, but also, you know,
Speaker 1: you got to look at it from like like Mark
Speaker 1: Stoops really doesn't have any monumental accomplishment that would warrant
Speaker 1: attention as far as being a really good football coach
Speaker 1: other than one thing. Kentucky didn't suck when he was
Speaker 1: their coach for a good stretch of what four or
Speaker 1: five years, maybe longer than that, So he was always
Speaker 1: propped up as a guy who was just believed to
Speaker 1: be a really good coach because he wasn't winning at
Speaker 1: a really high level at Kentucky. But Kentucky had never
Speaker 1: really been any good and then they had some sustained success.
Speaker 1: He went to I think it's lame they include this,
Speaker 1: but he went to He went to a bowl game
Speaker 1: from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty three. Now, one of
Speaker 1: those bowl games was a year where they went what
Speaker 1: was it five, and they were four and six in
Speaker 1: the regular season, and that was the year, the COVID
Speaker 1: year they only played SEC teams. So I mean that game,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess that still counts, but like you didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to be at least five hundred
Speaker 1: to get to become Bowl eligible. They weren't that, but
Speaker 1: because it was the whatever year, they got to play
Speaker 1: in a bowl game. So either way, like him winning
Speaker 1: ten games there, that's insane, But also it's it's insane
Speaker 1: because it's Kentucky more than it is just insane because
Speaker 1: you know, ten win teams that happen very often in
Speaker 1: the SEC for teams like Kentucky. So I don't bring
Speaker 1: all this up to say, Hahi, your coach stinks, because
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if I believe that. But
Speaker 1: anybody who truly was gonna make the case that Mark
Speaker 1: Stoops was ever a top twenty five college football coach,
Speaker 1: they would only be able to make said case by
Speaker 1: dumping on the UK football program and acknowledging that, yeah,
Speaker 1: he really isn't. I mean he's he's twenty eight and
Speaker 1: sixty two in league play. But you know what, other
Speaker 1: coaches would be worse, and this guy's got Kentucky respectable
Speaker 1: to where they're oftentimes finishing just below five hundred in
Speaker 1: league play. I mean three and five. I mean he
Speaker 1: was mister three and five for a lot of years,
Speaker 1: and look, to be fair, sometimes they would lose to
Speaker 1: teams that you know, a lot of teams would lose
Speaker 1: to because they play a great conference. But I feel
Speaker 1: like where he's at right now, at number thirty six,
Speaker 1: is way more realistic since twenty sixteen or whatever it
Speaker 1: was when he started going to bowl games, the notion
Speaker 1: that he was ever viewed as a top twenty coach
Speaker 1: or top twenty five it was it was really, honestly
Speaker 1: like a backhanded compliment at Kentucky. I feel like, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense, because you couldn't make you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't really grasp any specific thing that was done that's like, wow,
Speaker 1: I mean, how about this? It was more so wow.
Speaker 1: I can't believe Kentucky doesn't stink anymore. I mean again,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure I'm going overboard here. And I do
Speaker 1: know that with Kentucky there's been the belief for a
Speaker 1: while that, well, you know, he's better than we've had.
Speaker 1: We should be thankful. But I think they're over that.
Speaker 1: I think they realize now within il and with honestly,
Speaker 1: to a credit to Stoops, he has shown that you
Speaker 1: can win there more than anybody else has been able
Speaker 1: to show consistently to where if you get a young
Speaker 1: coach that's you know, that's going to utilize the resources
Speaker 1: Kentucky has. I mean, maybe they'll be humbled and realize
Speaker 1: twenty years from now they had it way better than
Speaker 1: they realized with Stoops. But I think one it's a
Speaker 1: new world to where you can utilize in IL and
Speaker 1: because players transfer all the time, you can take advantage
Speaker 1: of that like you can now you don't have to
Speaker 1: go recruit top twenty classes to compete in the SEC.
Speaker 1: If you crush it in the portal, that closes the
Speaker 1: gap a little bit, and that's a big factor. But
Speaker 1: also if a coach does come in after Stoops, whenever
Speaker 1: that may be, and has a lot of success, Stoops
Speaker 1: will be deserving of a lot of that credit, I
Speaker 1: think because he's the first coach in my lifetime that
Speaker 1: showed that, you know, they can at least be better
Speaker 1: than they were for a good chunk of their existence.
Speaker 1: So anyways, we'll take a look. Actually, let's do this.
Speaker 1: Let's finish up the four o'clock hour looking at the
Speaker 1: rest of this list, because some coaches on here, like
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they're ranked as low as they
Speaker 1: are or as high as they are. But we'll get
Speaker 1: to that in a lot more. Keep it lock right
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Speaker 1: So I found last year's top twenty five. This is
Speaker 1: the annual college football Power Conference coach rankings from CBS.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of words. It's words salad there, but
Speaker 1: CBS every year will rank the Power five coaches Power
Speaker 1: four now and today they put out twenty six through
Speaker 1: sixty whatever it is. I think it's sixty eight, and
Speaker 1: Mark Stoops has fallen from twenty which he was last
Speaker 1: year to now being at at number thirty thirty sixty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, sixteen spots down. I don't like. I
Speaker 1: think thirty six is probably you know, I think that's
Speaker 1: I think that's fair him being number twenty. I still
Speaker 1: don't understand how they got there. But let me let
Speaker 1: me throw this out there. I believe A and M
Speaker 1: being as interested in him as they as they were
Speaker 1: seemingly ready to pull the trigger and hire him until
Speaker 1: they had some reflection and had other folks that said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not we're not down with that. That probably made
Speaker 1: him look good, right, It probably made Stoops look good,
Speaker 1: and last year, you know, he didn't look good at all.
Speaker 1: So that's why he's had such a big fault. Brom
Speaker 1: last year was nineteenth. That comes off of a ten
Speaker 1: and two season where they made it to the ACC
Speaker 1: Championship Game. I don't know if I'm gonna guess that
Speaker 1: he will be be ranked better than nineteenth, or if
Speaker 1: maybe he's going to be right at nineteen, or maybe
Speaker 1: he's because he's clearly somewhere between. He's in the top
Speaker 1: twenty five, or he would have been listed in twenty
Speaker 1: six through the sixties, So I'm gonna guess he's right
Speaker 1: where he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm probably gonna either say I
Speaker 3: don't think it's gonna be better than nineteen. I think
Speaker 3: it's gonna be in the range from nineteen to twenty one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty two.
Speaker 1: If you were gonna make the case that he falls
Speaker 1: a little bit, you could just claim that maybe other
Speaker 1: coaches did more to jump ahead of him, and also
Speaker 1: that you know, you went from being ten and two
Speaker 1: to eight and four, but also you know, winning and
Speaker 1: losing is ultimately how coaches are judged. But last year
Speaker 1: Louisville did go on the road and beat Clemson, something
Speaker 1: still is a rare thing to happen, despite Clemson not
Speaker 1: being what they were during their their heyday. Although a
Speaker 1: lot of people think they're gonna be one of the
Speaker 1: best teams in the country next year. We'll see. But
Speaker 1: they also lost to Notre Dame at Notre Dame in
Speaker 1: a game that don't even get me started. So many
Speaker 1: self inflicted wounds that one of those things, one of
Speaker 1: those one of those bad plays that was all your
Speaker 1: own fault and not Notre Dame's credit. Had one of
Speaker 1: those things not happened, you might have been able to win.
Speaker 1: It's what a could should have. But still, and I
Speaker 1: think brom showing what he can do is shocked, probably
Speaker 1: made people more reminded that he's a good coach and
Speaker 1: certainly a good coach when it comes to quarterbacks. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that he's probably between nineteen and
Speaker 1: twenty one. Isn't that what you said austin nineteen twenty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say I'm gonna get myself some grace and
Speaker 3: say twenty two.
Speaker 1: But if he's eighteenth, I'm also not going to be
Speaker 1: shocked because again, like I think last year, you know,
Speaker 1: Jeff's not perfect by any means, and the loss to
Speaker 1: what I mean, hell, the loss to I mean, he's
Speaker 1: perfect to me, but you know, there you go. We
Speaker 1: got to be We got at least act like rejective
Speaker 1: objective to an extent, but with Jeff, like you know,
Speaker 1: the game against Stanford, like that's an old time where
Speaker 1: like how the hell does that happen? So and then
Speaker 1: SMU beats you and at the time we didn't realize
Speaker 1: SMU was going to be as good as they ended
Speaker 1: up being. But also like, if you don't spot them
Speaker 1: fourteen points seemingly within the first fifteen seconds of the game,
Speaker 1: might have been a different outcome. And then Miami gotcha.
Speaker 1: But they were just good and you were right there
Speaker 1: competing with them. So again, here I am trying to
Speaker 1: shine up an eight and ball record. But nonetheless, I
Speaker 1: would guess that he's probably between nineteen and twenty one.
Speaker 1: But if they do in fact have him up one,
Speaker 1: it might be because you know, Luke Fickle was at
Speaker 1: seventeen last year. I don't think Luke Fickle will jump up.
Speaker 1: I think he'll probably fall, right Kirk Ferentz, Yeah, wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked if Kirk Ferenz, who was at eighteen last year,
Speaker 1: he drops a little bit. I mean Dave Doran last
Speaker 1: year was at number sixteen and he was ahead of Brom.
Speaker 1: Dave Doran this year is now sitting at number thirty one.
Speaker 1: So there's been a lot of moving in this list.
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll see where Jeff Fin's up. But
Speaker 1: guys that were in the top, let's see like a
Speaker 1: big jump here, like Sataki that he say his name
Speaker 1: of the Byu, I mean he made a big jump
Speaker 1: this year for obvious reasons. B Yu was really good
Speaker 1: last year. So what I think is a little surprising
Speaker 1: is that Dion Sanders is at number thirty three. Last
Speaker 1: year he was at number sixty one. They did get
Speaker 1: a lot better last year. I think thirty three for
Speaker 1: Dion is is understandable. I don't know if I agree
Speaker 1: that I would put him there, but to be fair,
Speaker 1: they did make a big jump last year. But there's
Speaker 1: still so much flash and not enough substance with Dion
Speaker 1: Sanders as a head coach, and that's not really his fault,
Speaker 1: that's really a credit to him, but like as a
Speaker 1: head coach, and I know people can bring up Jackson State,
Speaker 1: but Dion, and this is not a fault of his,
Speaker 1: it's a credit to him. He used what comes with
Speaker 1: being prime deon Sanders to get guys to come to
Speaker 1: Jackson State, which you know, that's a credit to him,
Speaker 1: and that's why they were able to be so successful
Speaker 1: at that level. But Dion in two years as a
Speaker 1: Power five, Power four head coach, I mean, his record
Speaker 1: total is thirteen and twelve overall, eight and ten in
Speaker 1: conference play. And if anybody else has those results at
Speaker 1: a place like Colorado, they're not in the top fifty.
Speaker 1: I mean they're probably not.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So anyways, some other surprises here in the updated list,
Speaker 1: a big drop off from In fact, this may tell
Speaker 1: you they may do this towards the end when they
Speaker 1: actually have all of the rankings together. But I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to see if in this right up here at
Speaker 1: CBS Sports, do they actually have the biggest climbers in
Speaker 1: the biggest fallers. But the last place coach is Jeff Levy,
Speaker 1: who is the head coach a Mississippi State, which look
Speaker 1: he did inherit a team that went wentless last year
Speaker 1: and is not expected to be much better so I
Speaker 1: guess you could only go up from there. Of the bottom.
Speaker 1: Let's see, of the bottom. Let's see, so fifty through
Speaker 1: sixty eight, that's the eighteenth worst coaches according to these rankings.
Speaker 1: You've got one, two, three, four, five, six of them
Speaker 1: from sorry, seven of them from the ACC. Stanford's Frank
Speaker 1: Wright is I didn't even realize he was the coach
Speaker 1: at Stanford, but he is. He's at sixty seven. Tony
Speaker 1: Elliott Virginia is at sixty five, Brent Pry is at
Speaker 1: sixty three for Virginia Tech, and wake Forest hired Jack
Speaker 1: Dickert because they're head coach. Jack Dickart Clawson retired, so
Speaker 1: Dickert is at fifty six. Justin Wilcox at Cal is
Speaker 1: at fifty five. They got Belichick at fifty four. I
Speaker 1: don't really have a problem with that, given the fact
Speaker 1: that he's, you know, he's never coached in college and
Speaker 1: he probably won't. Yeah, and he wouldn't be a shocker
Speaker 1: if they stink. And then at fifty Bill O'Brien Boston College.
Speaker 1: So there you go. We'll see where I would say
Speaker 1: the biggest surprise, like the biggest, the biggest shocker that
Speaker 1: will have probably a fan base and maybe a lot
Speaker 1: of college football heads just in tow disbelief is that
Speaker 1: they have Hugh Freeze at forty seven, which I mean,
Speaker 1: I kind of get it, But you know, for so long,
Speaker 1: we've just heard that Hugh Freeze was great and that
Speaker 1: you know, he got a little horned up at Ole
Speaker 1: Miss and got fired. And you know, he was never
Speaker 1: that great at Old Miss. He just happened to beat
Speaker 1: Alabama a few times, and there was always this belief
Speaker 1: that he wasn't able to coach because of the prostitute situation,
Speaker 1: and that was a factor. But also, like you know,
Speaker 1: he's now been at Auburn what two years or maybe
Speaker 1: one year. I think it's just one year, but either way,
Speaker 1: he's at number forty seven. All right, quick break, we'll
Speaker 1: come back. We've got the five o'clock hour coming your way,
Speaker 1: and we'll try to finish strong. How about this. I
Speaker 1: forgot about this. I like this, don't It doesn't there's nothing.
Speaker 1: It doesn't doesn't impact me as a college football fan
Speaker 1: or a Louisville fan. But rich Rod being in West Virginia,
Speaker 1: I forgot they rehired him. I kind of like that.
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