WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:05.839 Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:06.280 his wing. 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:07.480 Dig down in the forest. 4 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.320 Man, it gonna cause a tree fall, letting five thousand 5 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:10.880 miles away. 6 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:13.480 Man, nobody's seen nobody. 7 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:17.719 You see. 8 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:20.039 You don't need no man's luck. 9 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:22.760 You call a little story and you got racked for 10 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:25.839 like that. I'll win. Man, don't like a dang on 11 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:26.239 the panel. 12 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:27.839 Man, Man, you don't don't matter. 13 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:38.320 Man all right, more goth Welcome back to Jay Burtonshaw. 14 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:41.320 How you doing man, Hellotle getting jit nice to see again. 15 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:47.119 Yeah, I'm glad to have you. I uh, I think 16 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:49.479 this is roughly the pattern that has been going on 17 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:52.479 for two or three years, which is that I assume 18 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:54.600 that I have talked to you more recently. I check 19 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.000 our DMS and see it has been exactly a year 20 00:00:57.600 --> 00:00:59.799 since we spoke last. So I'm really glad to have 21 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:03.759 you on. I was recently watching something you put on 22 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:06.680 on substack, just sort of your your year in review 23 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:09.480 right for twenty twenty five. And as I said, you know, 24 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:13.280 before we went live, I'm not able to, you know, 25 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:16.480 consume as much media on what happens in the UK, 26 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:18.560 just because it's not where I live. I don't have 27 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:21.000 the context, but I rely on a few sources you 28 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:26.359 included to understand what's going on. And you mentioned, you know, 29 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:29.959 several kind of themes, right, what's going on in your country? 30 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.079 And I guess I'll throw it to you. You know, 31 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:36.400 we were talking to this before. You know what is 32 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:38.640 going on? What are kind of the main themes of 33 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:41.920 twenty twenty five because to be perfectly blunt man from 34 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.760 the outside looking in, it's it's incredibly grim. 35 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:46.719 Yes, I think. 36 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.000 I've did like a year room review where I went 37 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:54.079 through the articles of the air just to sort of 38 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.799 recop of everything that had happened and things that I 39 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:59.120 wrote about and to sort of see if those any 40 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:00.319 kind of through lane. 41 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:04.000 And it was there, really was. 42 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:06.840 You can see the right at the beginning of the 43 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:09.800 year when Elon Musk and Rupert Low and Hammer and 44 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:13.039 tongues on the grooming gangs and things. But to get 45 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.800 a real which sort of you know, annoyse the British 46 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:19.759 establishment a lot because they take a dirty little secret. 47 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.360 And I did an article that it's our I mean, 48 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.840 I've been seeing for a long time and I've been 49 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.719 comparing our situation to sort of the Soviet Union and 50 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:34.280 the the the grooming gang issues is kind of like 51 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:37.280 the reactor five of Chernobyl. It's it's this sort of 52 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:43.599 massive disaster, catastrophic that that, and you see all the 53 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:48.199 different layers of what's gone wrong is kind of encapsulated 54 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:52.240 with that with that one scandal from top to bottom. 55 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.560 You see like as if like the term mats have 56 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:57.879 just Hollywood out of woodn't been all of it. What's 57 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:01.840 wrong with Britain is encapsulated that. And then I did 58 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:06.240 another one which is about the Borrows Wave and the 59 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.800 effects of the Borrows Wave on the country, and I 60 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:14.680 think a lot of the panic and the trauma was 61 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:19.199 the way people when people discuss mass immigration in Britain 62 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:23.240 on the right, you often hear that a quote from 63 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.919 a Tony Blair speechwriter called Andrew Neila who he said 64 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:30.680 that they and was to rub the right nose and 65 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:36.520 diversity and what he meant was to change the demographics, 66 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.080 to change so the politics would have to change it 67 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:41.879 to do it deliberately. And I think what happened with 68 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:46.199 Boris Johnson and the millions that he led in where 69 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.599 you get this famous graph where the line just screams up, 70 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:54.000 was it's it's insane. And I think what actually happened 71 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:59.599 was that the center right Tory Party rubbed the left 72 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:05.360 knows and diversity. And what I mean is their sort 73 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:09.439 of view, their values and their principles beforehand had been 74 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.719 in the abstract because there's so many places in Britain 75 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:18.399 still hadn't been touched by diversity. And after the Borrows 76 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:23.399 wave that's they have, especially in England. You can go 77 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:27.199 to some far from places in Scotland or Wales, Northern Ireland, 78 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:33.759 but basically it's everywhere now and all of a sudden 79 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:37.920 this year in particular, you began to see more and 80 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.600 more not just the grooming gangs which flared up again 81 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:47.800 and the issues around that, but sort of random violence 82 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:53.360 and especially from the illegal immigrants who's been housed in hotels, 83 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.240 and sort of girls and. 84 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:00.959 Women being raped and actually abused and. 85 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:08.399 Casual random violence. And I think what this en In particular, 86 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:13.360 we saw the rise of this meme which it began 87 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:18.120 on Twitter by Crumbler Grouply or whatever he's called, where 88 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:23.680 they call it the UK and they mean like why ok, why, 89 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.319 which I can get into that because it is interesting 90 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:31.720 and so something was clearly happening and there was a 91 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:36.879 sense that were it's of de territorialization and the aesthetics 92 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:40.519 of it. That's what that amounts to, really, and all 93 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:44.959 of a sudden you saw that what the UK reflects 94 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.600 and is a reality of twenty twenty five. Of course 95 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:52.800 it's been coming for a while, which is squalid and 96 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:59.720 unpleasant and far far away from the kind of pr 97 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.399 multicultural propaganda that we used to get. This is why 98 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:07.519 I say it's almost like the left's face got rubed 99 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:10.319 in diversity, because it's like, well, we're in it now. 100 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:13.800 I mean, it's important to say as well, like in 101 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:18.560 the two thousands before Brexit, most of our immigration was 102 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:21.040 coming from the European Union, so they were just other 103 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:26.319 Europeans recent Europeans polls, but also people from France or Holland, 104 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:31.519 and so they had that kind of cushion. But after 105 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.480 and especially after the Boris with they just came in 106 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:38.319 from everywhere on Earth like we've never seen before. And 107 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:42.279 so for the first time those values and principles are 108 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:48.480 manifested in the real world. And then alongside that, compounding 109 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:53.519 that kind of feeling of just everything being decredit everything 110 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:58.480 being a bit shit, is the economic issues, which are 111 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:03.519 facing and shops closing, boarded up shops, and so you 112 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:08.240 get this strange thing with this UK aesthetics they call it, 113 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:13.800 where you'll have late's here a Muslim woman standing in 114 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:18.680 like a sort of fishing village in well Wheels, talking 115 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.199 about how well she is. All of this kind of thing. 116 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:25.160 You'll get like a car crashed into a vape shop 117 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:29.399 with a Turkish barbers next door, and all of this, 118 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:35.759 and it alls. It all seems weird and alien and 119 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:38.839 and it's as if like the country has just been 120 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:43.120 transformed into something else with which it which it largely has, 121 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.879 and the normal people recognize this as well. And this 122 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:52.439 is what we were talking about just before we went live, where. 123 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:54.720 You get this. 124 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:57.480 On top of all of that, you've got this kind 125 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:02.639 of suffocating surveillance state and the bureaucracy that goes with it. 126 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.800 So it's just it just could. 127 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:11.879 Sort of ticks so many boxes of this state of dystopia. 128 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:15.120 And one of the things about the sort of the 129 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.480 mode that we're in is there's a denial of it. 130 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:23.160 You know, in the past, and I've written some things 131 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:27.000 about this to the Myra Hindley sort of murders and 132 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:30.959 things on substack and how that relates today. But if 133 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:32.960 you go in the past, for example, if you go 134 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:38.879 into a different era of Britain, British history to take 135 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:42.320 for example, when Thatcher was closing heavy industry down like 136 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:45.519 the coal mines in the nineteen eighties, you had protests, 137 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:49.320 you had unrest. There was at least some kind of 138 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:56.799 highbrow commentary on that. There was a discussion and people 139 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.279 could sort of philosophize over it and get sort of 140 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.879 fury cell takes in about what was happening to the country. 141 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:08.440 But because of the nature of they say political correctness 142 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:13.120 and where we are now, it's almost taboo for that. 143 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:17.600 So you'll find people writing about it on substock or twila. 144 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.000 But the conversation that we should be having, we can't. 145 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.360 And of course everybody's scared that they're going to get fired. 146 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:31.320 Or on top of all of that, it's now legendary 147 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:34.720 the hate speech laws and people going to jail for 148 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.799 tweets and things in Britain, and all of this comes 149 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:42.639 from a place I think of profound insecurity of the 150 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:44.240 managerial state itself. 151 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:50.039 Well, I'm glad you you mentioned the kind of analogy 152 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:54.559 to the late Soviet Union because there's there's recently been 153 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:59.600 a case where a man has been jailed for I 154 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:03.240 don't remem exactly how long, a truly ludicrous amount of time, regardless, 155 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.200 for sending anti immigration tweets. And you dig a layer 156 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.320 down and you find out that these tweets were viewed 157 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:14.159 by thirty people. You don't have to be criminally online 158 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.480 to realize criminally terminally online to realize that thirty views 159 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.639 on Twitter is basically nothing. That's not even likes, it's 160 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:26.000 just someone scrolled past it. And he's been sentenced for 161 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:30.120 these anti immigration sentiments. And we find out, you know, 162 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.559 as the Daily Mail called him right a deranged loaner. 163 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:35.759 We find out that he was basically turned in by 164 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:37.919 his brother in law who didn't like it. So we 165 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.919 really have to escalate it to the point of East Germany, 166 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.759 where effectively you're turning people in to avenge your sort 167 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:50.799 of personal slights based on these laws. And the complete 168 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.120 and total denial around this issue I think is interesting 169 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:56.879 as well, because it's almost as if they've they've given 170 00:10:57.039 --> 00:11:01.159 up on any sort of attempt at legitimacy. They're simply 171 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.840 going to freeze out the conversation. We're not going to 172 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:05.879 address it. We're not going to talk about it. It 173 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:10.720 just vacated that space, and seemingly in addition to vacating it, 174 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:14.679 they're determined to salt the earth make it illegal to 175 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:19.639 discuss it at all. And in my mind, that's almost unprecedented, right, 176 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:23.919 the idea that simply this apparent fact, at these horrific crimes, 177 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:29.159 this sort of replacement level migration is unassailable. You cannot 178 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:34.360 talk about it. You mentioned your substack. This is sort 179 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.320 of how I became aware of it, because you'd posted 180 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:39.960 something there that basically said that your profile on subsack 181 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:43.000 was blocked within your own nation. You needed to verify 182 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.360 your account, right, send the government a photo of your 183 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:48.919 face or send a third party. But we all know 184 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.360 what's happening there. 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There's not even 204 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:18.759 really a counter argument anymore. 205 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:23.120 Yeah, I think there's there's a genuine crisis for the 206 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.399 Something strange happened with the layback government. 207 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:29.360 And it does it. 208 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.000 I think it kind of goes to the Borrow's way 209 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:35.799 as well. But there's a there is a crisis of legitimacy, 210 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:40.840 and it's not entirely the labor Government's fault. It's it's 211 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:43.639 the fault of the Conservative Party for what they did. 212 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:45.120 I mean, so much of the legislation. 213 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:46.519 I know, it's it's. 214 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:51.080 Popular, it's popular on the British right, it's popular American right, 215 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:55.320 where they think of Kostarma as being this particularly kind 216 00:13:55.360 --> 00:14:00.480 of brutal communist and he is like that, he's utterly humorous. 217 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.639 But you know, all the laws on the legislation was 218 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:09.039 already was already baked into the system. The thing which 219 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:12.240 I've got to now put my sort of show my 220 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:16.279 face that's going to come in everywhere. I think that's 221 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:21.120 the Online Harms Bill, And originally it's all part of 222 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.840 this surveillance state which is getting ruled. 223 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:24.559 Really quickly now. 224 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.279 I mean, I remember back five years ago, four years ago, 225 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:29.639 I was doing visy video essays on all of this 226 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.279 stuff and it didn't seem to go anywhere. But now 227 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:36.120 it's actually coming in. We're getting digital ds. I mean, 228 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:41.559 on the legitimacy thing, Labor got into power on there 229 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:45.799 was nothing said about digital ds anywhere, and they just 230 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.879 sprang so it wasn't nobody voted for it, it wasn't 231 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:51.519 in their manifesto, and they've just rammed it through. You 232 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:54.840 get half a million people or whatever it was, saying 233 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.080 a petition saying we want to have this gone over 234 00:14:58.120 --> 00:14:58.600 our again. 235 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:01.320 But not just they'll just ram it through. 236 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:07.440 And this combined with masses and masses of facial recognition technology, 237 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:10.399 and then on top of that you've got the online harms. 238 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:12.320 But and all of this is going to link up. 239 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.399 I mean, when I try to describe this, I say, 240 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.440 it's a bit like the end of and Or where 241 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:21.159 you see them building the death Star and all of 242 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:24.639 the rivets. It's just mis missing that kind of central 243 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.639 thing that slots into the middle, that dish thing. And 244 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:32.159 that's what the digital ID will be. Everything is being 245 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:38.159 made deliberately awkward and troublesome to create the problems that 246 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:41.519 the digital ID can solve. So in the future I 247 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.039 will probably just link up my digital ID to my 248 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:48.759 online persona and then I'll bypass that issue on substack. 249 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.320 But it it is like a third party. So the 250 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:57.600 state will I mean in a way, because the state 251 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:01.440 kind of a quango called Who Not Hate sort of 252 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.679 carried out a surveillance operation on me earlier this year 253 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:09.399 and they got me. They found out who I was 254 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.720 after all these years they did this terrible hit piece 255 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.840 on me. So this in a way for me, it's 256 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.279 too late. The state knows who I am. It's But 257 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.960 what it means is that in the future everybody will 258 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:27.879 be docs. I just already am and all of this 259 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:33.120 is where there's you're not going to have online anonymity. 260 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.879 It's it's dead. It's a dead duck. And so you 261 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.200 just come across this stuff in your face all of 262 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:43.759 the time. You know it's and you know, you don't 263 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:44.919 know where it's going to go on the. 264 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:46.039 Back end or anything. 265 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:48.879 But to get back to the just the issue with 266 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:53.279 the labor government, I do really like the fact that 267 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:57.159 the Americans, because like Trump and jd. Vance and these 268 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:02.159 people have been launching broadside against the British government because 269 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.160 I know, like it's it's all the rage now for 270 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:09.240 people to say, well, you know, criticized Donald Trump, or 271 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:11.359 he's not getting this, he's not getting that, doing that, 272 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:17.000 that that's for you you fellas in America. That that's 273 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:21.720 like a sort of internal American thing just in terms 274 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.680 of having that kind of voice put pressure on the 275 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.759 on the British government and shine a torch on them 276 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.640 and say what the hell are you doing what is 277 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:35.359 going on here that I'm not going to be such 278 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:39.039 a kind of spurg We we don't have the luxury 279 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:41.960 of of snubbing on us. 280 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:43.160 Is that that kind of thing? 281 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.000 We need all the help we can get here. But 282 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:50.839 the issue with what labor have inherited was sort of 283 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:55.359 baked in, and I think they came in wanted to 284 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:59.559 be just a leftist standard of course, sort of sent 285 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:04.680 a left party. But the state of the country is 286 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.599 a tinder box. It's in such a bad state that 287 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.680 they've actually had to do all kinds of schizophrenic moves. 288 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:18.599 So the immigration this year is coming down quite drastically. 289 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:20.400 Actually, it's they're not. 290 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.400 The last figures have thought saw was they're on track 291 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.720 for like six hundred thousand fewer immigrants than what we 292 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:35.240 got last year. That they're talking tough on all kinds 293 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:39.200 of things. Now this is people will say this is 294 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:42.720 because we form with Nigel Farage are coming in from 295 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.839 the right and putting pressure on them, and it is. 296 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:47.559 It is part of that. 297 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:52.160 But I think the deeper issue is that you have 298 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.359 to rule. You can't just be. 299 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:01.559 A sadistic sort of a bunch of gangstars who torment 300 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:06.079 and sort of persecute people and rub them up the 301 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.400 wrong way for nothing. There comes that gets you get 302 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:14.319 those certain point where the legitimacy of the state is 303 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:18.000 becoming a real problem. We've had hundreds of thousands of 304 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:21.720 people leaving the country, this kind of thing, and so 305 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.200 you get this kind of thing where labor have to 306 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:30.319 lurch quite far right just because of the basic infrastructure 307 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.240 of the country, just because the country. I mean, I 308 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.079 did a video on this a while ago on the 309 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:39.920 demographics that it's possible we are a failed state and 310 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.759 with the white British are still the majority, because people 311 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:45.920 didn't seem to factor that in when when you get 312 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:51.480 these get these numbers will be a minority by twenty 313 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:54.599 fifty or twenty sixty or whatever. It was never the 314 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:58.160 social factors of that along the way weren't factored in 315 00:19:58.279 --> 00:19:58.559 at all. 316 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:04.839 Yeah, several several things there to your point about you know, 317 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.079 different takes on on Trump. This is something that always 318 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:12.359 frustrates me. Uh, you're talking with nationalists or right wingers, 319 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:16.160 which is there's sort of this kind of pie in 320 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:19.839 the sky version of of nationalism, which is that you know, 321 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:23.079 nationalism all goes one direction, and I understand it right. 322 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.599 You know, all of us are sort of fighting against 323 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:27.680 this sort of you know, globalist block. I get that, 324 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.160 but there are many cases in which you know, your 325 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.400 natural or national interest in mind might be at opposite ends. 326 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:36.680 And look, I'm not even saying Trump is a perfect 327 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:38.720 example of that. You know, Ukraine is perhaps an even 328 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:40.880 better one. You know, I understand why the you know, 329 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.119 the the Nordic guys are all you know, very much 330 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:47.279 pro you know, fighting Russia. It makes good sense, whereas 331 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:49.079 in my position it's like, well, to be honest, man, 332 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:51.720 I don't want to be involved in it. Uh just 333 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:55.880 a brief aside there, but uh yeah, I think that 334 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:01.319 the the problem of you know, ruling of simply you know, 335 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:08.720 the state continuing to function. It's crazy to see the decline. 336 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:11.839 So I've been on kind of a crusade against the 337 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:14.519 you know, the center right in America. You know, they're 338 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.160 they're attacking what they call either the woke right or 339 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.200 the new right. And there are two lines of attack. 340 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.200 One which is pretty easy to dismiss is you are 341 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:26.000 all actually Marxists. You are woke, you are the woke right. 342 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:28.000 You can sort of dismiss that one out of hand. 343 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:31.079 But another one. And you see this in kind of 344 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.839 the legacy press and people like David French. Is this 345 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:38.240 idea that oh, you're simply blinded by sort of artificial 346 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:41.359 nostalgia for a world that never existed. Things have always 347 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:44.240 been like this. You know, it's not really bad, things 348 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:49.680 aren't really in crisis. And obviously it's a completely disingenuous 349 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:52.599 argument because you know, you look to a country like yours, 350 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.039 which you're sure there were problems in the nineties, there 351 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:58.039 were problems in the eighties. We mentioned in the industrialization. 352 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:01.920 You know, all of these are very real crises. But 353 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:04.640 you mentioned earlier and I can't remember her name that 354 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:06.759 you know, the sort of prominent murderers, you know, this 355 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.200 woman who sort of became the you know, the talk 356 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:15.559 of the town right for killing, and it almost seems 357 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:20.039 quine in comparison with you know, modern violence. Right Axel 358 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:22.960 Rubacabana is one example, but you know there are dozens more. 359 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:25.680 And you see that and you're like, well, okay, like that, 360 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:28.799 we've lost several things there. One, we've lost a little 361 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:32.839 bit like an absolute amount of immediate security. How likely 362 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:37.160 are you to be killed? But also you've lost a 363 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:42.079 culture where people could be unified in opposition to some 364 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:46.279 sort of savage attack, right, that that was seen universally 365 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:49.400 as something that was notable enough to talk about and 366 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.519 also to morally condemn. There's sort of a cultural unity 367 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.119 there that has been lost. It's the idea that this 368 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:58.240 is simply you know, disingenuous complaints from the new right, 369 00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:01.319 whatever you want to call it, is absurd, right. Similarly, 370 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:05.119 in our case, I think that the Charlie Kirk assassination 371 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.599 is one of the biggest stories of the last year 372 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:13.799 because obviously the event is significant. A man was murdered graphically, 373 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:18.079 you know, for the whole world to see, but the 374 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.440 reaction to it, both the failure to capitalize or to 375 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:25.920 address this issue from the center right and also effectively 376 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.480 the laughing scorn from the left that oh, you know, 377 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.759 that violence was was ultimately legitimate. They're like, okay, well, 378 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:38.279 America is perhaps not a failed state, you know, it's 379 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.200 not Venezuela or South Africa, but something very definitely has 380 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:44.839 been lost there, some sort of cultural cohesion that in 381 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:48.319 the previous era most people would feel as if this 382 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:52.319 sort of event is life altering, right. It was something 383 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.000 that you know, the Kennedy assassination. Obviously that's a president, 384 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:58.039 but that was a where were you moment? You know, 385 00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:00.960 the other political assassinations as well well, And to see 386 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.559 that sort of pulled into you know, kind of the 387 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.720 culture where it's like, okay, well we've lost a unified 388 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.759 culture in any way, and look like a large part 389 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:15.000 of that is migration. New arrivals simply do not have 390 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.480 the same kind of cultural attitudes that you or I do. 391 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.759 But another part of it is that, like the realm 392 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:25.279 of politics has expanded to such a degree that, you know, 393 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:28.960 things that were previously off limits in a more homogeneous 394 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:33.000 culture are now simply part of you know, the daily grind. 395 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:35.759 And in much the same way, I see the same 396 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:38.480 thing happening to these you know, horrific migrant crimes. 397 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:43.319 Yeah, I mean, I've did quite a lengthy article on 398 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:48.240 I call it the Evil Past and Present. And it 399 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.319 began because I saw like a shit live on Twitter 400 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:55.119 put how a picture of Maira Hindley. Now, I'll just 401 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.480