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Speaker 3: Man, it gonna cause a tree fall, letting five thousand

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Speaker 4: Man, nobody's seen nobody.

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Speaker 6: Man all right, more goth Welcome back to Jay Burtonshaw.

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Speaker 7: How you doing man, Hellotle getting jit nice to see again.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm glad to have you. I uh, I think

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this is roughly the pattern that has been going on

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for two or three years, which is that I assume

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that I have talked to you more recently. I check

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our DMS and see it has been exactly a year

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since we spoke last. So I'm really glad to have

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you on. I was recently watching something you put on

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right for twenty twenty five. And as I said, you know,

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before we went live, I'm not able to, you know,

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consume as much media on what happens in the UK,

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just because it's not where I live. I don't have

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the context, but I rely on a few sources you

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included to understand what's going on. And you mentioned, you know,

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several kind of themes, right, what's going on in your country?

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twenty twenty five because to be perfectly blunt man from

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Speaker 2: And it was there, really was.

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year when Elon Musk and Rupert Low and Hammer and

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tongues on the grooming gangs and things. But to get

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establishment a lot because they take a dirty little secret.

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the reactor five of Chernobyl. It's it's this sort of

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massive disaster, catastrophic that that, and you see all the

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to the late Soviet Union because there's there's recently been

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for sending anti immigration tweets. And you dig a layer

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these anti immigration sentiments. And we find out, you know,

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as the Daily Mail called him right a deranged loaner.

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his brother in law who didn't like it. So we

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where effectively you're turning people in to avenge your sort

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of personal slights based on these laws. And the complete

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discuss it at all. And in my mind, that's almost unprecedented, right,

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the idea that simply this apparent fact, at these horrific crimes,

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this sort of replacement level migration is unassailable. You cannot

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what's happening there. Enter into this sort of like biometric

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security apparatus in order to read things, and we all understand,

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of course, what has done with that information. It is

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there to prosecute you, It is there to enforce these

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Speaker 6: So I'm curious what do you make of that crisis

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of legitimacy, the fact that they're simply not contesting the field.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's there's a genuine crisis for the

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Speaker 2: And it does it.

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where they think of Kostarma as being this particularly kind

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face that's going to come in everywhere. I think that's

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the Online Harms Bill, And originally it's all part of

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Speaker 2: But not just they'll just ram it through.

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it's a bit like the end of and Or where

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you see them building the death Star and all of

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the rivets. It's just mis missing that kind of central

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thing that slots into the middle, that dish thing. And

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that's what the digital ID will be. Everything is being

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made deliberately awkward and troublesome to create the problems that

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the digital ID can solve. So in the future I

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will probably just link up my digital ID to my

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online persona and then I'll bypass that issue on substack.

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state will I mean in a way, because the state

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kind of a quango called Who Not Hate sort of

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carried out a surveillance operation on me earlier this year

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and they got me. They found out who I was

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after all these years they did this terrible hit piece

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on me. So this in a way for me, it's

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too late. The state knows who I am. It's But

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what it means is that in the future everybody will

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be docs. I just already am and all of this

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is where there's you're not going to have online anonymity.

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It's it's dead. It's a dead duck. And so you

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just come across this stuff in your face all of

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the time. You know it's and you know, you don't

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know where it's going to go on the.

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Speaker 2: Back end or anything.

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Speaker 7: But to get back to the just the issue with

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the labor government, I do really like the fact that

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the Americans, because like Trump and jd. Vance and these

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people have been launching broadside against the British government because

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I know, like it's it's all the rage now for

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people to say, well, you know, criticized Donald Trump, or

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he's not getting this, he's not getting that, doing that,

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that that's for you you fellas in America. That that's

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like a sort of internal American thing just in terms

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of having that kind of voice put pressure on the

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on the British government and shine a torch on them

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and say what the hell are you doing what is

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going on here that I'm not going to be such

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a kind of spurg We we don't have the luxury

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of of snubbing on us.

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Speaker 2: Is that that kind of thing?

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Speaker 7: We need all the help we can get here. But

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the issue with what labor have inherited was sort of

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baked in, and I think they came in wanted to

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be just a leftist standard of course, sort of sent

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a left party. But the state of the country is

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a tinder box. It's in such a bad state that

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they've actually had to do all kinds of schizophrenic moves.

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So the immigration this year is coming down quite drastically.

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Speaker 2: Actually, it's they're not.

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Speaker 7: The last figures have thought saw was they're on track

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for like six hundred thousand fewer immigrants than what we

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got last year. That they're talking tough on all kinds

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of things. Now this is people will say this is

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because we form with Nigel Farage are coming in from

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the right and putting pressure on them, and it is.

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It is part of that.

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Speaker 2: But I think the deeper issue is that you have

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to rule. You can't just be.

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Speaker 7: A sadistic sort of a bunch of gangstars who torment

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and sort of persecute people and rub them up the

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wrong way for nothing. There comes that gets you get

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those certain point where the legitimacy of the state is

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becoming a real problem. We've had hundreds of thousands of

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people leaving the country, this kind of thing, and so

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you get this kind of thing where labor have to

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lurch quite far right just because of the basic infrastructure

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of the country, just because the country. I mean, I

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did a video on this a while ago on the

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demographics that it's possible we are a failed state and

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with the white British are still the majority, because people

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didn't seem to factor that in when when you get

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these get these numbers will be a minority by twenty

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fifty or twenty sixty or whatever. It was never the

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social factors of that along the way weren't factored in

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at all.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, several several things there to your point about you know,

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different takes on on Trump. This is something that always

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frustrates me. Uh, you're talking with nationalists or right wingers,

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which is there's sort of this kind of pie in

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the sky version of of nationalism, which is that you know,

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nationalism all goes one direction, and I understand it right.

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You know, all of us are sort of fighting against

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this sort of you know, globalist block. I get that,

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but there are many cases in which you know, your

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natural or national interest in mind might be at opposite ends.

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And look, I'm not even saying Trump is a perfect

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example of that. You know, Ukraine is perhaps an even

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better one. You know, I understand why the you know,

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the the Nordic guys are all you know, very much

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pro you know, fighting Russia. It makes good sense, whereas

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in my position it's like, well, to be honest, man,

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I don't want to be involved in it. Uh just

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a brief aside there, but uh yeah, I think that

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the the problem of you know, ruling of simply you know,

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the state continuing to function. It's crazy to see the decline.

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So I've been on kind of a crusade against the

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you know, the center right in America. You know, they're

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they're attacking what they call either the woke right or

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the new right. And there are two lines of attack.

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One which is pretty easy to dismiss is you are

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all actually Marxists. You are woke, you are the woke right.

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You can sort of dismiss that one out of hand.

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But another one. And you see this in kind of

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the legacy press and people like David French. Is this

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idea that oh, you're simply blinded by sort of artificial

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nostalgia for a world that never existed. Things have always

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been like this. You know, it's not really bad, things

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aren't really in crisis. And obviously it's a completely disingenuous

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argument because you know, you look to a country like yours,

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which you're sure there were problems in the nineties, there

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were problems in the eighties. We mentioned in the industrialization.

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You know, all of these are very real crises. But

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you mentioned earlier and I can't remember her name that

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you know, the sort of prominent murderers, you know, this

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woman who sort of became the you know, the talk

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of the town right for killing, and it almost seems

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quine in comparison with you know, modern violence. Right Axel

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Rubacabana is one example, but you know there are dozens more.

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And you see that and you're like, well, okay, like that,

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we've lost several things there. One, we've lost a little

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bit like an absolute amount of immediate security. How likely

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are you to be killed? But also you've lost a

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culture where people could be unified in opposition to some

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sort of savage attack, right, that that was seen universally

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as something that was notable enough to talk about and

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also to morally condemn. There's sort of a cultural unity

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there that has been lost. It's the idea that this

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is simply you know, disingenuous complaints from the new right,

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whatever you want to call it, is absurd, right. Similarly,

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in our case, I think that the Charlie Kirk assassination

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is one of the biggest stories of the last year

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because obviously the event is significant. A man was murdered graphically,

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you know, for the whole world to see, but the

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reaction to it, both the failure to capitalize or to

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address this issue from the center right and also effectively

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the laughing scorn from the left that oh, you know,

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that violence was was ultimately legitimate. They're like, okay, well,

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America is perhaps not a failed state, you know, it's

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not Venezuela or South Africa, but something very definitely has

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been lost there, some sort of cultural cohesion that in

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the previous era most people would feel as if this

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sort of event is life altering, right. It was something

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that you know, the Kennedy assassination. Obviously that's a president,

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but that was a where were you moment? You know,

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the other political assassinations as well well, And to see

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that sort of pulled into you know, kind of the

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culture where it's like, okay, well we've lost a unified

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culture in any way, and look like a large part

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of that is migration. New arrivals simply do not have

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the same kind of cultural attitudes that you or I do.

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But another part of it is that, like the realm

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of politics has expanded to such a degree that, you know,

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things that were previously off limits in a more homogeneous

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culture are now simply part of you know, the daily grind.

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And in much the same way, I see the same

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thing happening to these you know, horrific migrant crimes.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I've did quite a lengthy article on

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I call it the Evil Past and Present. And it

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began because I saw like a shit live on Twitter

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put how a picture of Maira Hindley. Now, I'll just

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explain a little bit. In the nineteen sixties, there was

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a couple called Ian Brady and Myra Hindley who murdered

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and abused children and buried them in the Yorkshire was

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and they took those videos that were it was. It

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was really grotesque and horrible and the woman. Now people

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can kind of absorb and understand that Ian Brady, he

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was the motivating factor behind it. And what's really got

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people was that there was a woman involved. And there's

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a famous smoke shot of the two of them together.

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It's in black and white and she's got this so

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blonde peroxide hair. The Wars murders. If you want to

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see it, I've got on the article as well. And

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one of that image of Meira Hindley became a kind

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of something in British folklore, almost as an object of evil.

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She became this demonic presence within the collective psychology of

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the culture and so to how and then there was

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this person said, basically, you've always had these murderers, and

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I thought that was very interesting because the mug shot.

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It always comes down to the mug shot, and the

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mug shots that the famous ones. Now you'll see of

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these grooming gang sort of perpetrate as where you'll have

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sort of five or six Pakistani faces all lined up together,

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but you'll also have the actual rule of Kabana one

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where he just looks wild and feral, and what interested

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in me was that it doesn't have the same effect,

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It doesn't embed itself in the culture the way that

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Maira Hindley did. And it took me down a bit

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of a rabbit hole and I discovered.

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Speaker 3: That in.

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Speaker 7: I mean, even when she was alive. She died in

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two thousand and two or two thousand and three, but

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even when she was alive, that image was called iconic,

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which but it was an icon of evil, and we

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all understood it wasn't political in any way, and we

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didn't have the degree of managerial state where they kind

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of said, well, she had a rough childhood or this

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or that the other, and so you had this element

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where almost like in a village where a woman was

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accused of being a witch and she was kind of

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lashed out of town and she became this kind of

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she's evil, get her out to be spiritually purged from

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the inn group, and there was really an element of that,

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and that image of her was just regurgitated in British

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culture forever. And in the nineteen nineties somebody cottoned onto

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this and this modern artist put together like a big

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montage of Meira Hindley's the image of her the mug

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shot you using the hands of small children, and people

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were absolutely outraged, and he the image got damaged when

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it was in an art gallery, but it was this

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kind of what he was actually getting at was this

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sort of borderardium, sort of commentary on images replicating images,

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because the actual real woman of Maira Hindley by this time,

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she was just this kind of frail, elderly depressive in

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a jail cell, but her image kind of lingered on

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in the cultural psyche and she became something more, and

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he was trying to sort of touch on that the

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meaning of signs and symbols and kind of hyper realism.

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And what's fascinating is that the mog shots that we

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get now, the actual banner or the Pakistani grooming gangs

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or whatever, they just don't have any of that, because

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when you go to say the nineteen sixties, Britain was

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still ninety eight percent Native and when you look at

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my Raindley, you've got one of your own staring back

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at you. That's why it became this kind of symbolic

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act of purging the witch, get this sick demon out,

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get her out of the group. But when you've got

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this sort of when actually Lucabana staring back at you,

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it isn't even part of your in group, you will

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you kind of it becomes political in a way. It's

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more of a political act because you think, well, he's

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here because of political decisions, and he isn't of the

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in group, And so instead of having almost like this

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metaphysical evil all of a sudden, it's it's something close

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that to sort of inter ethnic warfare. But of course,

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because of the lies that the society's built on, you

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can't even acknowledge that. You can't have that conversation, so

477
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,960
you're just left with this sort of barrenness, this kind

478
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,519
of abyss where it's just this squalid, depressing.

479
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,079
Speaker 2: Reality that you inhabit. Now you don't even.

480
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,079
Speaker 7: Get that catharsis of lashing the witch out of the village,

481
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:31,559
or looking back at part of your group gone horribly

482
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,920
horribly wrong and become sick and poison because they were

483
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,160
never you in the first place. It's the same with

484
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,559
the Pakistani mok shots.

485
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: It's just the other.

486
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 7: It's just this wall of otherness looking back at you.

487
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,680
And this is kind of baked in across the UK

488
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,519
now and it gives this kind of gloom over everything,

489
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:58,200
this acknowledgment of it, but also the fact that you

490
00:30:58,359 --> 00:31:02,200
aren't even allowed to sort of intellectually investigated.

491
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:03,559
Speaker 2: We're all create a.

492
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,279
Speaker 7: Cultural sort of movement around it and discuss it honestly,

493
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,720
as we have done with these things in the past.

494
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,359
I mean the fact that he made that postmodern kind

495
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,359
of badly advised I would say artwork of Maira Hindley's face.

496
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680
He was at least trying to comment on her place

497
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:25,319
and that image in British culture. But you couldn't do

498
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,079
that with actually Rukbana because it would be seen as

499
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:32,880
I mean, they prefer that you just don't see any

500
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,039
of it. I mean just there. So there was a

501
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,319
nine year old girl stabbed to death in Somerset somewhere,

502
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:43,720
which is quite a nice part of England.

503
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:45,079
Speaker 2: It's the Shias.

504
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,039
Speaker 7: And it was a fifteen year old boy who did it,

505
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,240
but we don't have any other details. So here you

506
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:57,960
come here here it is well, so now the BBC

507
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,680
will close the replies. You're not given anything more to

508
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:05,920
go on because of legal reasons, and everybody suspects what

509
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:08,920
they don't know, and probably in a few years we

510
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,720
will get to know and this is this is just

511
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,319
the misery of it, and the misery of where we

512
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,680
are culturally spiritually. It's it's rotten, and it's it's it's

513
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:23,440
hollowed out and it's it's it kind of consumes everything.

514
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,440
It's difficult to step outside of it. It's why I

515
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,319
just focus almost entirely on on Britain these days.

516
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:38,359
Speaker 6: I recently rewatched uh, the original Blade Runner film, uh,

517
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,920
and I was really struck by several things about it,

518
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,160
which is one, the Blade Runner is sort of the

519
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,920
future that came to pass. Obviously, you have the look

520
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,759
of it, right, this kind of sort of dystopian, you know,

521
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,279
blend of all cultures, kind of peat like layered on

522
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,559
top of this pre existing, previously existing world. Right you

523
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,759
have you know the kind of old you know, Victorian era,

524
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:05,759
you know, apartment buildings, you know, run down, you know,

525
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,160
covered in neon signs for you know, companies, you know,

526
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:13,039
kind of broadcasting vice everywhere, which you know you see

527
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,240
obviously in America in places like you know, any urban center,

528
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:18,839
but you know, in kind of an echo of that

529
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:22,519
in the UK aesthetic. But also to me, I think

530
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:28,039
it's interesting because you know, the whole idea of the replicants, right,

531
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:31,960
these these sort of artificial people created as slaves, rights,

532
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:36,680
as cheap labor, wreaking havoc. You know, it has very

533
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,200
much been you know, the story of you know, the

534
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:42,640
twenty first century in both our countries. One of the

535
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,400
biggest stories in America over the last year, and I've

536
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:47,720
got a trucker on to talk about this has been

537
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:51,799
obviously in a proliferation of migrant truckers. You know, this

538
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,240
incredibly dangerous job. You know, you're driving something that's sixty

539
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:59,039
thousand pounds on a highway with normal cars, which you know,

540
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,680
previously was the realm of be honest, working class white guys.

541
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,160
It was a good way to make money. You know,

542
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,960
you could with a relatively small amount of capital, you know,

543
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,760
put yourself in a position where you're making good money.

544
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:17,000
And that needed to be done away with, that needed

545
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,119
to be replaced. We needed to do it cheaper, and

546
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,760
so we imported these sort of fake citizens in many cases, right,

547
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:25,760
these sort of like replicants, if you can imagine, and

548
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,840
it's unleashed havoc. Right, there have been a number of,

549
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,880
you know, horrific videos of these you know, death machines,

550
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,800
you know, just running through people, you know, blowing away,

551
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,159
you know, a family in a sedan. And the most

552
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,400
iconic one, I think is that you know that crash

553
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,039
from Florida where these two Indian guys are in the

554
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,400
you know, the front seat and they just you know,

555
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,079
whip into a little access point which you know, cars

556
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,159
aren't supposed to go in let alone. You know, a

557
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,840
semi truck across the lane of traffic and you kill

558
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,639
a family of four, and in much the same way, right,

559
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,000
you see these this is something that's always happened. There

560
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,119
always been accidents. These are dangerous things. You know. You

561
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,440
might have a guy from West Virginia, you know, high

562
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,239
on meth and he you know, does the same thing.

563
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,119
But it is different when it is someone who has

564
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:16,159
basically been brought here in the last six months, right,

565
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,719
and in order to you know, grease the wheels of

566
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,320
this managerial system. Those four people. There are many other examples,

567
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,880
you know, I'm sure you don't need me to remind

568
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,039
you have been sacrificed on that altar. And again, right,

569
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,280
it's that same sort of thing like this, We've always

570
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,079
had violence, and look, America has always been a violent country,

571
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:41,519
there's no two ways about it. But this new, this

572
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,400
new sort of crime, and we've seen with these truckers,

573
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,000
let alone the kind of you know, massive fraud that

574
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,519
we've seen in places like Minnesota. It's like all of

575
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:55,519
these war choices, this did not have to happen. And

576
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,079
what we've seen, and this is I think an origin

577
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,199
a lot of the you know, a lot of the

578
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,880
annoyance with the Trump administration in the US is that

579
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,559
you know, he's he's very comfortable talking about, you know,

580
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:12,000
the illegal immigration. It's something that's effectively ceased to be

581
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,880
a problem. You know, these mass deportations are to some

582
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,320
degree occurring, and that's something to be thankful for. But

583
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,840
that need for the for the system to you know,

584
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,639
have cheap labor, that need for the system to keep

585
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,320
expanding forever, well, that comes first, and so we'll replace

586
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,800
you another way, will replace you legally. You know, we've

587
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,079
seen that with you know, these sort of high skill

588
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,920
visas quote unquote, you know, all of these that comes

589
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,840
before anything else, and these casualties seemingly are completely and

590
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,320
totally acceptable, you know, to to serve that end.

591
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,079
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, our I think our version of that

592
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,800
beside the the the ulder stuff like the grooming gangs,

593
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,320
which is still going on. Well, the thing for this, yeah,

594
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,760
has been the the like the asylum seeker things, particularly

595
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:10,119
men from Afghanistan or I think there was like four

596
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,079
cases last week where they were raved. And you see

597
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,400
these stories, I know, I realized that this is like

598
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,920
a thoroughly sort of depressed and subject all of what

599
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,960
we're talking about. That that's just the way it is

600
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,400
in in Britain. That's that's the you know it, this

601
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,880
is sadly and I lament that as well. I like,

602
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,679
I don't want that you get this strange thing like

603
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,000
the girl that I saw today on X this story

604
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,880
where the girl was a nine year old girl was

605
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,559
stabbed as death. And it gets back to what I

606
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:48,960
was saying earlier, where this once upon a time that

607
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,840
would have been a big thing, and now it just

608
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:56,400
sort of drifts down your your news feed.

609
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,639
Speaker 2: It's people will.

610
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:02,559
Speaker 7: Swipe past it on their phones and I thought, I thought,

611
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,360
I thought, is this is this just how it gets normalized?

612
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:05,559
Speaker 9: Now?

613
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: Is this? Is this not enough? When is it?

614
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 7: Does it have to be more than one?

615
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,079
Speaker 2: Does it?

616
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 7: And it just seems to is this is this just

617
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,519
like the collapse. Now is this because there's no signs

618
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:22,440
of this getting any better, and the state just is

619
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,199
a completely blindsided by all of this. I mean, I

620
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:31,519
try to order for for the garden and some pruners

621
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,960
on eb to to prune a planet a color of

622
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:40,039
raspberry bushes, and so I thought, I haven't got any

623
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:42,599
prune as I'm gonna at the end of the season,

624
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,480
and I found out that I couldn't actually, I couldn't

625
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,559
actually order them online. And you get these things now

626
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,559
where you get knaves are coming out now in London

627
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,400
and they've got rounded tips on them, and so people

628
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,800
can't eat basically because it's a weapon, but for some reason,

629
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:07,360
like a set of gardening like prunas, handheld prunas for

630
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,960
you to clip branches, it's it's sharp and you could

631
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,800
I mean, it's it's so basically the state has decided

632
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,360
that you just can't buy them online anymore, in the

633
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,559
same way that you have to show your face to

634
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:25,239
access the messages on substack. And so you see these

635
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,239
pathetic and stupid attempts to hold the hold the line

636
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,400
against the tide, rather than addressing the core issues and

637
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:37,280
the stuff of the asylum seekers. There was a story

638
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,960
this year where they've been putting them up in hotels,

639
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:43,559
which is bad enough. They crossed the channel on boats

640
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:46,400
and they put them up in hotels and in Epping

641
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:52,119
this year they protested against the establishment of such a

642
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:55,920
hotel and they was brushed down. They were called for right,

643
00:39:56,039 --> 00:40:00,719
they were called extremists, and then a local girl was

644
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,480
sexually abused. Now I'm not sure if you I'm not

645
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,360
sure the extent of that, then I have to be

646
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,960
careful what I say about these things because not allowed. Again,

647
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:12,679
you just walk around eggshells all of the time, so

648
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,199
I could be construed as spreading misinformation. There's a whole

649
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,559
other thing to do with, like where how we exist

650
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,440
in England now where everybody has to speak like a lawyer,

651
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,039
because you've always got to have a get out, you've

652
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:31,360
always got to have applausible deniability, or you can't put

653
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,719
in all groups. You'll have to say it mainly or

654
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,639
instead of just talking about a group and this kind

655
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:42,199
of thing. But anyway, they then covered that up the

656
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,679
newspaper and the government put like a block on that

657
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,000
where it was covered up and so the people have

658
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:52,239
already protested against it. They were proven to be correct,

659
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,079
and then that was the whole what they were scared

660
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:58,079
of happened that was covered up. They then launched an

661
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:02,960
appeal and it was to say that the hotel would

662
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,440
in fact be closed down. The government in London then

663
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:10,360
intervened and said no, this the Supreme Court I think

664
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,280
it was, which is just this blair right nonsense, said no,

665
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,159
actually it will stay open. And then the person who

666
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:23,320
actually was another person was touched the girl did something

667
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,679
wrong like that, he actually wandered away, if you remember,

668
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,800
it was everywhere he escaped. He escaped and he was

669
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,360
just wondering. He was Ethiopian and he was just wandering

670
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,960
around for days on end.

671
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: And.

672
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 7: You just think it's it's there's this kind of thing

673
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,000
that we talk about, whether it's incompetence or malice. Is

674
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:48,039
this kind of meme that goes around in Britain. And

675
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,119
because the argument will be somebody like my dad, for example,

676
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:56,280
on friends would say the government are useless. They are

677
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,760
absolutely useless. They just don't know what they're doing. And

678
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,559
you think, after a certain amount of time you can't

679
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,320
just say it's useless anymore. It gets to a point

680
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,760
where you have to say world on a second. This

681
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,039
is when it's always I mean, one of the things

682
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:17,360
that I say is that if it was just incompetence,

683
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:20,519
it would going out of way, it would favor us

684
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:25,440
sometimes even if just by random chance. But that never happens,

685
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:28,920
and so the only conclusion you can draw is that

686
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,960
they are malicious. They are actually malicious. Now, having said that,

687
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:40,519
you do also have total incompetence baked into this, this

688
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,599
system of orders and magnitudes that would have just been

689
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,880
maind boggling to British people thirty or forty years.

690
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:50,559
Speaker 2: They would not comprehend it.

691
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 6: I mean, to that point, Morgreth, We're three or four

692
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:59,920
days into the investigation of this shooting it Brown which

693
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,320
which is a large university in the middle of you know,

694
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,079
a progressive city, and seemingly there was some sort of

695
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:14,440
political motive that this girl killed. One of two was,

696
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:16,400
you know, the leader of a conservative group who was

697
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:22,920
devoutly religious, seems and despite all of this state surveillance apparatus,

698
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,920
we have a photo of a person of interest, but

699
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,840
no arrest has been made seemingly. You know, when when

700
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,960
the state is is truly angered, right, when they're actually

701
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,840
interested in bringing someone to justice as we saw, you know,

702
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,199
post jan six. Well, they can make arrests almost immediately.

703
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:42,559
You know, they can fence your phone and find you

704
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,320
no matter where you run or even you know, as

705
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,159
we saw under Biden, right, this eighty some year old

706
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,679
woman who is you know, protesting in front of an

707
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:53,159
abortion clinic, right holding up a sign that says you

708
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,280
don't kill your baby, and she goes to jail. We

709
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,719
can find her, of course, But again to your point,

710
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,599
you'd assume, you know, if this wasn't competence, there'd be

711
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,039
sort of a random walk and you know, maybe not

712
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:06,519
half the time, but at least some of the time

713
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,159
it would go your way. And when that is not

714
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:14,920
the case, the next logical question is, well, why it

715
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:18,119
seemingly when you want to you can get things done

716
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,559
very quickly. You can bring down this sort of harsh

717
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,280
violence as we saw, you know, to the protesters and

718
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,079
epic right, people can be thrown in jail, We can

719
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,559
have courts running around the clock to make sure these people,

720
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:34,719
you know, receive the state's idea of justice. But this,

721
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,639
this really comes down to the question, and this is

722
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:38,880
something that's come up in you know, American discourse as well,

723
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,199
which is to be honest, like, what is the point

724
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,559
of the country here? Why does this exist? And you know,

725
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,719
you or I I have the idea that, well, it

726
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,440
is a place for a people. You know, there's a

727
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:52,360
you know, a catchy term I probably can't say in

728
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,239
YouTube for that sort of idea. But if simply it

729
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,639
is this sort of like economic zone, if it simply

730
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,679
is this sort of you know, support team where you

731
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,800
need to you know, maximize your talent pool, that's not

732
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,440
really a country anymore. And you know, this was something

733
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,679
that many right wingers were comfortable saying during the Biden years,

734
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,480
right when he was letting in millions of people stream

735
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:16,320
across the border every year, like do we even have

736
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,800
a country anymore? But you know that's changed, right, we

737
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:24,480
swapped the guy out, and seemingly still that question of

738
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:31,199
are we a real country or not remains unanswered. And again, right,

739
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,159
like the purpose of someone being in charge is for

740
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,599
there to be a ruler. And I think one of

741
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:40,199
the terrifying things that's emerged in you know, American politics

742
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:45,000
is this realization that effectively the system is unassailable. You

743
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,760
can do everything you're supposed to do right, You can

744
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,559
create a government apparatus for you know, purging the bloat,

745
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:54,920
you know, for attacking the sort of patronage network of

746
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,559
the left, you attacking the deep state, as it said,

747
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,280
But it's almost like the blob is too big, it's

748
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,519
gotten past the point of containment, and those interests right

749
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,920
of sort of continuing the managerial system for see a

750
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,760
pace no matter what, seemingly there's nothing to be done.

751
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,519
And again I'm not trying to you know, monopolize this

752
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:20,159
conversation talking about the you know, the American circumstance, but

753
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,079
it is kind of bizarre that in both we are

754
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,679
seeing this sort of crisis of legitimacy, Like what is

755
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,599
the point of participation in this system if quite simply,

756
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:33,559
you know, you're you're you're using a wheel that isn't

757
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:35,960
connected to anything. In the US, we have these you know,

758
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:38,239
shopping carts for children. We're just like you know, painted

759
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,400
like a race car with a little fake steering wheel

760
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,159
in it so your kid can amuse themselves while you

761
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:42,639
go shopping.

762
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: Like is that what this is?

763
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:47,639
Speaker 6: Is effectively this whole thing just designed to you know,

764
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,880
do what it was going to anyway and just make

765
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,360
you feel you know, Alternately, better or worse about it.

766
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,639
I mean, I have an answer to that, but that's

767
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:56,320
a dangerous place for regime to be.

768
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:56,519
Speaker 10: It.

769
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,159
Speaker 6: We need some sort of buy in here.

770
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, And this is this is why I think the

771
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,480
British government. It's unpopular to say, but I think the

772
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:11,960
British government is panicking about this, just just in straightforward,

773
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,119
even just from a Machiavellian point of view. I was

774
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:18,239
thinking the other day, I mean, though, I think I

775
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,400
might write something about this. There was some kind of

776
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,199
atrocity happened last week. It's always the same, It's always

777
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,599
the same thing. And I was I was thinking, I'd

778
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,480
rather have a weak king than this.

779
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 2: Now.

780
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 7: I'm not talking about Alfred the Great or Charlemagne or

781
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,639
an Oliver Cromwell figure. What I mean is even like

782
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,199
a weak pathetic king, like what Charles is now or

783
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,599
what William will be in the future, even that would

784
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:47,920
be better than what we've got now.

785
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,199
Speaker 2: And I realized that, you.

786
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 7: Know, my, my misters, she watches all of the royal

787
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:58,800
gossip rubbish. And I remember I wrote something. I watched

788
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,960
that series that Crown last year, and you saw the

789
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,320
because of the royal family, what they are obsessed with

790
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,000
in all of this. If you think like Prince Andrew,

791
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,360
because he was connected to Epstein, they immediately just stripped

792
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,320
him of everything and booted him. I mean to be honest,

793
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,840
it took. It took longer suld have done. But they

794
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,320
realized there was more information going to come out in

795
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,239
America and they were like, okay, get rid of them,

796
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,400
get get rhythm, strip them everything, get rid of them.

797
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,760
And the reason for it all And it's the whole

798
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,840
all of the storylines, all of the plots, all of

799
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,119
the drama in that TV show of the Crown is

800
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:42,599
all about pr The royal family are absolutely desperate to

801
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,639
be loved by the people, to be respected by the people.

802
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,639
Speaker 2: They it's all they want.

803
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,039
Speaker 7: And I was thinking, it's really strange because if you

804
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:58,159
had a weak king and they had that same mindset,

805
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,719
even if they were squishy and they didn't want to

806
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,199
do things, They've got this this sort of sort of

807
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,239
obsessed that people like them, that people like the Royals,

808
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:16,039
and whereas when you look at the state, the bureaucracy,

809
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,880
they don't care because as who do you hete everybody

810
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,239
hates Kirstalma, but he doesn't care. He really he's on

811
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,599
like ten percent approval rating, and he'll just carry on pushing.

812
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822
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823
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,599
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824
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Speaker 7: Love like terrible things that nobody wants. I mean, that's

829
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,960
a whole different subject we'll get to know. But what

830
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,280
I mean is when you take the daily, the daily

831
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,320
atrocity that we get now, nobody really knows who's responsible.

832
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,400
Whereas even if you had a because you've got this

833
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,480
just just interlinking spaghetti of a system. But I don't know,

834
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:55,760
it's a kind of old fashioned reactionary talking point. This

835
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,719
But even when you put it in like even a

836
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,320
weakling like William would have to be sitting there, who

837
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,280
would be sitting on top of this system? Even then

838
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,039
you would say, well, ultimately you are in charge, why

839
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,559
is it that the place is being flooded with these

840
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:13,360
sex pests? Like, ultimately, this is your country.

841
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,519
Speaker 2: You have to deal with it.

842
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 7: But you can't really do that with If you try

843
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,559
and pin that on the Labor Party, they'll just blame

844
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:23,559
the Tory Party, or they'll blame this or that quango

845
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:27,440
or the European Court of Human Rights or the Supreme Court.

846
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:31,480
It just goes on and on and on. There's no accountability.

847
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,599
And it was fascinating to think that, you know, you

848
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,760
go back in the day when was Diana having an

849
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,920
affair and what would the public think of this? What,

850
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:44,800
oh god, we have to we have to clean this

851
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:48,599
mess up or people will not like us. And I thought, yeah,

852
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,800
I'd like to have that. I'd like to have a

853
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,559
bit more of that in the country.

854
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: Even if it was like a total weakling, they would

855
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,679
at least in some way have to be responsive to

856
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:00,840
what people want.

857
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,559
Speaker 6: Well and similarly as well. And this is a point

858
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:07,440
that you know that Happa makes talking about monarchy, where

859
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,840
it's like, well, you've you've also you know, established an

860
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,679
interest in the nation. These these rulers that will they

861
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,199
own it and they're going to pass it on to

862
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,920
their family. Obviously there are still bad kings. Meristotle wrote

863
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,960
about this quite a bit, but clearly are our elites

864
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:30,639
do not see themselves as being connected to a place

865
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,559
in any way. You know, what matters is not the

866
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,440
actual nation, how it continues, but the sort of like

867
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,360
aggregate propositional nation, right that the territory called America, and

868
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,039
how much it can enrich me, you know, how much

869
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:45,960
it can benefit my life. And this is the point

870
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,159
that Land makes in Dark Enlightenment, I believe, where you know,

871
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,360
he talks about how you know, the spendthrift politician is

872
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,360
an evolutionary dead end because you have a very definite

873
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,719
amount of time and power. You have shorter in hours

874
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,280
than ors, of course, and so you know, the incentive

875
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,159
is to create this sort of smash and grap and

876
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,400
you sort of have this for them, this sort of

877
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,320
wonderful situation where you know, once you're in, you're in

878
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,320
and enrich yourself as much as you like. And then

879
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,559
when questioned, you know, responsibility is so dispersed. It's really

880
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,159
it's nobody's fault. You know, there's no one you can

881
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,960
really blame. You've seen this, and I mentioned it before

882
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:25,840
with this sort of massive welfare scandal coming out of Minnesota,

883
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:31,679
right where these Somalis have you know, defrauded billion billion

884
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,320
dollars plus or minus of you know, welfare money. And

885
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,239
you know, when when looking for responsibility, sure you can

886
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,320
look at the governor and it seems as if he's complicit,

887
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,360
but you know, he's got more than enough people between

888
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,960
him and anything actually said that he will never be

889
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,239
forced to pay any consequences, for nobody will be forced

890
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,960
to pay political consequences. The only people who might be

891
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:55,519
are effectively, it seems like Donald Trump is family in

892
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:59,239
immediate circle, you know, because they have particularly angered you know,

893
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,760
the life left. And that's I think Another thing that

894
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,719
I find to be particularly galling in all of this

895
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,519
is that I feel like, I can't be the only

896
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:09,519
one looking at this and saying like, well, you know,

897
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:13,199
mister president, do you not realize what they're going to

898
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,599
do to you him? His family has already been debanked,

899
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:18,719
even down to his nineteen year old son can't get

900
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,840
a bank account, you know, simply through association. And so

901
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,800
when you look at him or even you know, many

902
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,320
others in the nominal kind of conservative movement after the

903
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,599
death of Charlie Kirk, it's like, well, like, where do

904
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,079
you think this goes? Do you think that they're suddenly

905
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:37,119
going to stop being violent? Because the sad lesson of

906
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:41,440
that case is, effectively, no political violence works. You're sure

907
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,840
that kid is going to go to jail for the

908
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,960
rest of his life. But for everyone else they they want,

909
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,440
they paid effectively no consequence and got one of their

910
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:53,760
enemies removed. And so to me, I think that's a

911
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,000
very worrisome trend that I've identified going forward. It seems

912
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,559
as if the taboo around political violence has been well

913
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:04,719
and truly broken. You know. Sure, obviously the individual people

914
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,280
were either killed in the act or you know, put

915
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,599
in jail, So there's that, right, there's still some semblance

916
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:12,559
of justice, although in this case in Brown that may

917
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:16,360
be falling apart for you know, again incompetence, ormalice. Who knows.

918
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:22,519
But again, do you are we still a real country anymore?

919
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,840
Or are we this sort of banana republic where you know,

920
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:30,199
effectively the political class persecutes who they will and uses

921
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,400
this sort of paramilitary violence to go after their enemies.

922
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:36,400
I thought the whole point of a society was to

923
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,840
have a monopoly on violence.

924
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:39,599
Speaker 2: Has that gone?

925
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 6: Are we still, as you've said, like a functional country

926
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,719
or is this becoming a sort of failed state? And obviously,

927
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,760
you know, not literally, you know, I can still press

928
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,000
a button and get whatever I want delivered to my house.

929
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:54,760
It's not you know, it's not Zimbabwe. But you start

930
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,960
to look at this and say, like, all right, we're

931
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,559
identifying trend lines here, like where does this go and

932
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,599
where is where is the urgency you would expect from

933
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:06,559
you know, a ruling class faced with these sort of problems.

934
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:08,679
Like one of the other things that I've been thinking

935
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,599
about quite a lot is you know, how many of

936
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:14,079
these sort of political assassins fit the same profile?

937
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:15,119
Speaker 2: Right?

938
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 6: Ironically enough, you know, young men radicalized on the internet,

939
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,239
but you know, towards this kind of like combination of

940
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,960
you know, bizarre sexual perversion and extreme left wing politics,

941
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,039
and it's like, well, you know, both of these kids

942
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:34,360
are not from you know, liberal families, They're not from

943
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,880
these kind of stereotypical progressives. They're sort of you know,

944
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,559
sleeper cells that have been left in every you know,

945
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:44,599
cul de sac in the country. And especially when you

946
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:46,760
consider the fact that fewer and fewer young men are

947
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,599
able to do the things that traditionally connected people to

948
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:53,360
a society, able to you know, find a woman, you know,

949
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,280
find property that is a tinder box. You know that

950
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,400
not necessarily for some sort of war, but to say,

951
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,079
like you were, you have this incredible population of young

952
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,679
men with nothing to lose, and they have been given

953
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,039
moral license to do something drastic. I can't be the

954
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,920
only one seeing where this goes. And it seems like

955
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:18,440
there are so many of these issues which are you know,

956
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,360
if not you know, boiling over you. They're starting to bubble,

957
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,360
and there seems to be no reaction. And I don't

958
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,360
know if that's because it serves the ends of those

959
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,400
in power, or they're simply too lazy or incompetent to

960
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,639
address it. Sorry, more as a bit of a rant

961
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:35,119
for me, but something I've been thinking about.

962
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's that's quite specific to America. We

963
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:42,400
don't because we don't have the guns. I mean, I

964
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,960
think the criminals. If people I want to do they

965
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,320
probably get them, but by and large they that's I

966
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,079
think all of that's a specific problem to America. When

967
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:53,239
I saw the picture of Tyler Robinson and the court

968
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,320
hearing or whatever it was, and the look on his face,

969
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,159
I thought that this is this is what like a

970
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,039
leftists in America, like a white man in America, this

971
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:06,800
is what he has to do for approval from his

972
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:10,159
peers on the left. What he's saying is that I

973
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,199
can give you a degree. I mean, I don't know

974
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:17,199
anything about guns, but I can imagine he's singing one

975
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:22,280
of it's in my skill set to be a pull off,

976
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:25,159
a shot like that, and you know, this is what

977
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,480
I can bring to the table.

978
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: Love me, love me, you know.

979
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 7: And I thought, this is this is just completely twisted.

980
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:33,840
This is this that my view on it was, this

981
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:36,360
is how what you have to do to be a

982
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,119
white man and get social approval on the left. In Britain,

983
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:46,679
it's it's a bit different. All this summer the violence

984
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,480
that the concerns the government, because I know they don't

985
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:52,599
seem to be very concerned about the daily sort of atrocity.

986
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,760
But all summer there was this worry that we were

987
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,960
going to have riots, and that would be the need

988
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:05,719
of men against against the rapes, against the endless sort

989
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:12,480
of just misery, but particularly against these hotels and these asylums.

990
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: He guys.

991
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:17,079
Speaker 7: And it was strange going into the summer when these

992
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,360
things tend to happen. And I wrote an article on

993
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:23,599
substack they called it the Summer of Kindling, and all

994
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:27,320
the newspapers and everybody, everybody was on tender hooks, and

995
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:32,400
there was this sense that if some sort of atrocity happens,

996
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:35,199
I mean, they did happen, but if one like in

997
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:40,480
Southport last year, really catches on, really, then we've got major,

998
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:44,760
major problems. And I think this goes back to the

999
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,880
government recognizing that at the end of the day, we

1000
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:53,000
do have a country. We can't just sort of presade

1001
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,840
over this anarchy because our own sort of legitimacy, our

1002
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,719
own position long term is being eroded by this. I mean,

1003
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,519
the latest thing that's going on is that they're they're

1004
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:09,039
banging the war drums for Russia. The nation has to

1005
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:13,079
prepare its sons and daughters for war with Russia. And

1006
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,280
I'm not even I'm not even like a Russia symp

1007
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,280
I get accused of it, but I'm perfectly fine that.

1008
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,840
I'm fine if if I think NATO, if we've got NATO,

1009
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:29,119
if a country in NATO is attacked, then it deserves

1010
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:31,000
a joint response, fair enough.

1011
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: Like that's about it.

1012
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 7: I'm kind of boring and normally in in that regard,

1013
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:39,199
but that isn't really what we're getting. We're getting as

1014
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:41,719
if there's going to be this, an attack is imminent,

1015
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:45,480
And I asked, well, where's the troop build up, where's this,

1016
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:48,880
Where's this going to happen? And I'm never given any answers.

1017
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,760
But the flip side of that, of course, is that

1018
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,840
now you're asking the demographic which has been made per

1019
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:03,960
eye as the exact demographic you need to go and

1020
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:09,239
fight these wars are working class white lads from Teeside

1021
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,400
and Sunderland and Middlesbrough and these these areas which have

1022
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:16,840
just been left to rot. And you see the sentiment

1023
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,199
of no, we're not going to do it anymore. And

1024
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,320
I did a little sort of grock Google thing, and

1025
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,880
I was asking it, like, what what are the what

1026
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,679
what instances and history have there been where a population

1027
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,760
was so demoralized by its its rulers that they just

1028
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,119
flatly refused to war on their behalf any more. And

1029
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,519
one of the one of the results that came up

1030
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:50,039
was caligular caligulars caligular plan and invasion of the British

1031
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:54,199
Isles and as armies just refused because you're insane, you're

1032
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:56,840
a lunatic, and we're done with it. And I think,

1033
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,800
I just thought, is this whether British state is now

1034
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,079
where the historical comparisons are like Caligula And one of

1035
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:08,119
the other ones is like Russian the under the Zah

1036
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:11,400
and Russian and things, But the one of like where

1037
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,239
you've got the British states, the Kisama and the British

1038
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:20,360
government is now comparable to Caligula in how demoralized and

1039
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,199
kind of incensed people that it's it says it all,

1040
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,679
It really says all.

1041
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 6: No, one hundred percent. I think that his faded drug,

1042
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:37,280
you said, Marta Valila, I couldn't shoul their father's staffer

1043
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,199
to two to month.

1044
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: His fader Lrene thrugy two will you rudder organ will

1045
01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:43,719
blow along?

1046
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 6: When you knowed the two boat couldn't rusta conto Marvine

1047
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,719
twig to month passionary Augustini.

1048
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:57,119
Speaker 11: Not to.

1049
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,519
Speaker 2: To a court at Rsa pon kai.

1050
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 9: Another square story from Toblerone, work Christmas do time for

1051
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,199
the gifts you got your boss, Tina bath bombs shaped

1052
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,719
like mince pies, but added tobler own diamond truffles just

1053
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:20,679
in case she unwraps the bath bombs silence. Then the

1054
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,639
Toblerone truffles, velvety diamond shaped chocolates with a crunchy new

1055
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:29,960
golf filling. Oh big smiles from Tina. Whatever you gift,

1056
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:33,679
added diamonds just in case. Tobalone never square.

1057
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:39,719
Speaker 6: That's what's so, I guess worrisome about these kind of

1058
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:43,719
you know, calls for foreign adventure. We're kind of spinning

1059
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,320
up for one with Venezuela, and you know, hopefully that

1060
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,400
will be much less of a cluster then you know

1061
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,599
what happened in Afghanistan. But you know, I wonder if

1062
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:56,519
that is the danger of you know, a Nigel Faraja

1063
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,599
esque figure, right, someone who makes the average man feels

1064
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:02,920
if his complaints are being heard and just in time

1065
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:05,679
for you know, a big war. You know this is

1066
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,079
you know what you see from from you know, guys

1067
01:04:08,159 --> 01:04:10,960
like aa we're talking about, you know, the desire to

1068
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,480
get white boys to die in foreign wars. Right, that

1069
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:16,159
is the reason that you know, certain social attitudes are

1070
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:18,840
being relaxed. And you know, you're you're starting to see

1071
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,039
as we you know, have noticed in both your country

1072
01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:24,239
and mind uh you know, military ads featuring white guys again,

1073
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,480
you start to get a little nervous. You're like, okay,

1074
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:29,159
like why why are you letting up? Why are you

1075
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:31,639
doing something obviously that hasn't happened in your country, But

1076
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:33,760
you know the fact that you know, Farage may be

1077
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,159
making a good run of it, who knows, but I think.

1078
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:43,599
Speaker 7: We are getting those military adds. We were specifically targeting

1079
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,920
people like me, people like people from the north, are

1080
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,840
the industrialized North in particular, which is what traditionally the

1081
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,159
pool that we've It's kind of like the north of

1082
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:58,000
England is a bit like the American South o semiogogue.

1083
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: It is there is something too that.

1084
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 6: All right, it's the same, it's the same genetics, let's

1085
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,800
be honest, right, Yeah, Like this is sort of a

1086
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,599
funny thing. But you know, our are Scots Irish, you know,

1087
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:12,880
which is you know, a combination of you know, Orderers

1088
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,880
and you know a little bit of Irish mixed in.

1089
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,760
Have basically fought every American war in history. We were

1090
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:21,679
The whole reason they're ain't even in the South is

1091
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,519
that Quakers were getting killed by Indians, and so they

1092
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:27,360
sort of cast about and said, well, you know who

1093
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,239
can fight, we will not, And it's who they selected.

1094
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:34,000
And it is one of those things where it's what

1095
01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:37,360
I worry about more in in my country than yours,

1096
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:40,280
is that I almost wonder if you know here where

1097
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,760
we're you know, in this in the second Trump era,

1098
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,400
you know, where the right is seen to be sort

1099
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,119
of culturally ascended, you see a lot more buy in

1100
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:53,119
right because it feels like your country again. But in

1101
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:56,280
your case, I don't understan that seems like too much whiplash,

1102
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,840
you know, to go from very quickly. You know, you

1103
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:03,119
can't tweet about anything. You know, everyone is British. You

1104
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:06,199
know the Irish were actually black, which you know, if

1105
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:08,000
you're a Ben Franklin guy, I guess you could make

1106
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:13,400
the argument for but how do you this is an

1107
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,400
open question. I do not know the answer. How do

1108
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:19,159
you so quickly tone shift on that? Because I can't

1109
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:21,239
see how you can convince people to sign up for

1110
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,400
a state that you know so recently hated them and

1111
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,880
still does you can't.

1112
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 7: I mean, it's one of the somebody sort of one

1113
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,840
thing that I saw was that they would weigh like

1114
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:36,599
four thousand pounds a month in their faces, which you

1115
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:38,599
may get a bit of an up particle of that

1116
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,280
until the shooting starts, until the dying starts, and then

1117
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,840
that won't be enough anymore. But it goes back to

1118
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,440
what I was saying at the start, that you know,

1119
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,960
it gets to a point where the kind of the

1120
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:57,320
problems that could arise when when I began talking about

1121
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,440
this so long ago, for most people, it was just

1122
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:04,079
something purely abstract. But now it's there. It's there now

1123
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:06,519
in the real world. They're they're rubbing shoulders with it

1124
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:10,159
in the real world, and this is so now it's

1125
01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:13,320
like really there. It's it's in their face. It's in

1126
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,480
their face every time they go to the shopping center,

1127
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:19,199
it's it's when they go to work, but it's it's

1128
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,119
everywhere now, And so there's a sense that you know,

1129
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:27,840
the rabbits has bolted, and then they're looking around and thinking, well,

1130
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,920
this this they kind of have asked for this, and

1131
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:34,639
you get into this kind of like why is this happening?

1132
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:37,039
Why do I feel like a stranger and your own homeland?

1133
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:40,719
And so you're going to have to have some really

1134
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:45,199
drastic policies to undo that. And this is why it's

1135
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,679
it's I realized it's an unpopular opinion, but it's it's

1136
01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:55,039
quite shocking, how like how far to the right labor

1137
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:58,079
are willing to lurch on some of these things. One

1138
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,760
of the things that was mentioned last week, which I

1139
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,719
think is this is one of the things they mentioned

1140
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,400
was the asylum seekers who were coming in, We're going

1141
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,480
to have all of their money and jewelry taking off

1142
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:11,039
them to pay for their So so you get this,

1143
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,239
you get this, and it's like, I don't I don't

1144
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,039
want to rob the illegal immigrants. I just don't want

1145
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:18,159
them in the country, Like I don't want to do

1146
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:18,920
this performance.

1147
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,119
Speaker 6: There's a simpler solution.

1148
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to rob them,

1149
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:25,239
I don't want to mug them when they step off

1150
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,560
the board. I just want the board turned around and

1151
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,439
they can step back. I don't want this kind of

1152
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,960
performance of cruelty that they that's miss under. But you

1153
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:36,680
can see what where they're what they're trying.

1154
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:37,399
Speaker 2: To go for there.

1155
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,319
Speaker 7: And another thing is the numbers coming down and down

1156
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:46,079
and down, which they are. It's too late, it's the

1157
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:47,560
damage is done now.

1158
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:50,520
Speaker 2: And so in terms of I.

1159
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 7: Mean, I do think this is part of the reason

1160
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,720
why the American government is blast, putting European countries on

1161
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,239
blast for being too woke and do you know you

1162
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,760
don't have freedom of speech and all of that. I

1163
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,920
think they actually genuinely worry that this is this is

1164
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:14,560
compromising the empire itself, where the core the basics now

1165
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,960
are beginning to unravel. If you want to have if

1166
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,479
you want to have this sort of American empire, then

1167
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,279
you've got this sort of major chunk of it in Europe,

1168
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,399
and with Britain as always being America as.

1169
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:32,319
Speaker 2: Point man, in Europe begin to look quite unhinged.

1170
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:38,399
Speaker 7: And you can think, even purely sort of from cymically, yeah, okay,

1171
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:42,399
it's it's walk, it's lefty. They know they don't have

1172
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:48,199
free speech, but is does that actually create war fighting potential?

1173
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,199
What happens if they go so far on this that

1174
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,600
it becomes compromises the entire kind of structure of the

1175
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,840
American Empire. And that's why I think that's something to that.

1176
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,319
But as you are saying, even within America, they're not

1177
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,680
doing that much to change it. It's just I think

1178
01:10:07,399 --> 01:10:10,079
there's so much space. Maybe maybe not everybody. It's not

1179
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:13,600
in their face as it is in European countries like

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England in particular, is pretty bad at the moment, and

1181
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,640
it hasn't created the conditions where lots of men want

1182
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:28,119
to go off and fight like Russia. Because fundamentally it's

1183
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:33,159
a trite point to make. That like what everybody will make.

1184
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:36,439
But it is true that whether they like it or not,

1185
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:39,960
more people see Kyo storm On the Labor Party as

1186
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,119
their enemy than they do Vladimir Putin and Russia. And

1187
01:10:44,039 --> 01:10:45,720
that's just that's just the reality of it.

1188
01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 6: Well, especially when you know, if if the argument you know,

1189
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,800
is made in sort of you know, blood and soil terms, right,

1190
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,960
the idea that you like defend the homeland, it's like, well, one,

1191
01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:00,720
you haven't done that, you know, they are foreigners. And

1192
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,600
also it's not as if you know Russia's you know,

1193
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,520
dumping boats into the English Channel. You know they're they're

1194
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,640
dropping bombs over London. You know it's for again this

1195
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,399
kind of you know, outer or outpost of someone else's empire.

1196
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,520
But why would anyone get involved, you know, particularly when

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01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,600
they're very clean or very clearly being sold out at home?

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01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,000
I think one of the other open questions. Uh, and

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01:11:25,119 --> 01:11:27,680
this is you know, sort of different on opposite ends

1200
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,079
of the Atlantic. But there is a financial element to

1201
01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:33,840
this as well, right, like how long can you keep

1202
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:38,479
paying for all of this because and you know it's

1203
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:42,199
slightly different here because you know, the empire that controls

1204
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:43,680
most of the world's, right, you get to sort of

1205
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,199
violate the rules. But and I realized, you know, you're

1206
01:11:47,239 --> 01:11:49,840
not a you don't cover finance, and I be honest,

1207
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,399
don't know anything about it either. But the signs you're

1208
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:54,760
seeing are sort of worrying. You know, you have this

1209
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,279
this giant, you know, argument about the budget, right that

1210
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,359
a massive hole suddenly discovered. You know, it's just missing,

1211
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,359
you know, the problems with the government securing debt. And

1212
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:07,199
it's like, well, okay, how does the system of paying

1213
01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:11,560
people off work when you can't make the payments, you know,

1214
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,399
when it suddenly you have to make difficult decisions. And

1215
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:18,119
it seems as if this is just a question that

1216
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:21,119
is not being answered at all. And again, look, I

1217
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,600
realize people have been predicting the collapse of the global

1218
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,000
financial market for longer that I've been alive. I'm not,

1219
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:30,880
you know, saying that's what's gonna happen. But again, what

1220
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:35,399
do you do when you face a genuine crisis? I

1221
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,279
don't know. These people don't seem to be acting seriously

1222
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:38,640
about it.

1223
01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:44,039
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it just keeps limping on, and it may

1224
01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:46,600
we need we end up be facing like some giant crush,

1225
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:51,199
but we are facing this kind of steady. There's a

1226
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:55,399
word like and shittification. In this case, everything is getting

1227
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I noticed there's these biscuits. I don't know if you

1228
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have them in America, but we call them penguin biscuits,

1229
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:06,199
these little chocolate biscuits, and they're basically just a little

1230
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chocolate biscuit that you have with like a cup of tea.

1231
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And they've changed it now because chocolate has become really expensive.

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For apparently they get coca beans.

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Speaker 7: Sensibly, if it's climate change or whatever it is, for

1254
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:15,239
whatever reason, it's becoming extremely expensive, and so they changed

1255
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:20,279
it so that now it's chocolate flavored or chocolate or

1256
01:14:20,319 --> 01:14:26,159
the chocolate compound chocolate tasting compound is now what this

1257
01:14:27,319 --> 01:14:30,800
is the kind of played a sort of fait every

1258
01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:34,760
everything's fake, so you know, you'll you'll sit in the

1259
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:39,840
in the UK with the daily atrocity and you're not

1260
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,640
even eating real chocolate anymore. It's like chocolate tasting compound.

1261
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:47,039
But it's just enough to get through the regulations and

1262
01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:50,439
all of this kind of thing, and yeah, it's it's all.

1263
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:55,439
It's all just sort of squaliz. I wish I could,

1264
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,359
I wish I wasn't such a duma, but I do.

1265
01:14:59,520 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 3: I do.

1266
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 7: One of the things, you know, is one of the

1267
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,760
reasons why I focus on this stuff is because it's real.

1268
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,399
And when I look at like social media and I

1269
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,560
look at sort of the sort of Candice Owns versus

1270
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:21,600
Tim Poole, versus Nick Fans versus Carlson who killed Charlie,

1271
01:15:22,079 --> 01:15:26,359
this this whole kind of You've basically got all these

1272
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,680
millionaires like ship talking each other and everybody is like

1273
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,680
clapping it along, and that there's something there's this kind

1274
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:40,000
of hard realism about life in the UK, which I

1275
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:43,720
find is grounding. I find it kind of keeps you

1276
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:47,399
keeps your feet on the on the ground it's it's

1277
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:51,119
not really a part of the discourse of the online right.

1278
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:54,039
I mean the little touches where you're not even in

1279
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:59,760
real chocolate anymore, and and and the streets where it's

1280
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,399
like Afghan immigrants and what they call them roadman and

1281
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,840
all of this that there's a there's a kind of

1282
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:12,119
hardness and glottliness to it, which I feel is real.

1283
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:16,840
I'm not part of this hype, a real Internet sort

1284
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,159
of garbage, to be honest.

1285
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 6: Well, and this is something that they call it like

1286
01:16:24,039 --> 01:16:28,479
the affordability crisis here where, And I think this is

1287
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,319
a much bigger problem, especially for sort of the narrative

1288
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,880
of America and also for the kind of Whig history

1289
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,920
we see across the progressive world, which is at a

1290
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,319
certain point it becomes painfully obvious that things are getting worse,

1291
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,600
that the system is is fumbling. And you know, I

1292
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,840
think about conversations I've had with my my grandfather, who's

1293
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,840
you know, he worked his entire life in the trades,

1294
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:58,520
and he's a body man, right, repairing cars, And you know,

1295
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,359
he got out of the military. He was a homeless orphan.

1296
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,119
He was not a wealthy man by any means. You know,

1297
01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:07,760
worked in a McDonald's. You ended up in the trades.

1298
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:13,159
And the whole time you know, his he supported his

1299
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:16,800
children is you know, they lived in homes that they owned,

1300
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,000
you know, palaces by any means, but still property, and

1301
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,439
were able to buy new cars. You know, it was

1302
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,479
just seen as kind of expected for someone in the

1303
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,479
you know, the broad working class even and you know,

1304
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,720
now every one of those things has become a luxury

1305
01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:38,319
to the point where you know, housing is ludicrously expensive.

1306
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,239
Groceries have become incredibly expensive, as you mentioned, you know,

1307
01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:44,279
they're more and more of these sort of ersatz products.

1308
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,920
And I mean, look, I'm not going to complain about it,

1309
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:53,680
but I've never owned a car that came out after

1310
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,640
I got my driver's license, right at any point, even

1311
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,760
to this day, I drive a vehicle that's twenty years old,

1312
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,199
and that's just seen as as normal for people who

1313
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:08,239
are middle class. Effectively, the whole society is downwardly mobile.

1314
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,399
Everyone is getting poorer, and you know, look, it's one

1315
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,920
thing if that's just hard times right there. This has

1316
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,159
happened before. Nations go through these periods, you know, but

1317
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:22,640
when you're being told, you know, know, everything is getting better,

1318
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,000
everything has to get better because the past was evil

1319
01:18:25,039 --> 01:18:27,319
and horrible and racist, and now you know, in this

1320
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,760
new world, right, this new liberated existence, isn't it grand?

1321
01:18:31,359 --> 01:18:33,680
And you look around and you're like, well, for who,

1322
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,479
right do I live in a country that's just a

1323
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,640
retirement home, you know, designed to ensure that, you know,

1324
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,039
a certain generation is you know, maximally comfortable. And then

1325
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:45,560
they're they're imported servants?

1326
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 7: Right?

1327
01:18:46,039 --> 01:18:46,159
Speaker 3: Is that?

1328
01:18:46,399 --> 01:18:47,319
Speaker 2: Is that what we have here?

1329
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:51,520
Speaker 6: And so it's again like this is another aspect of

1330
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,199
that legitimacy crisis, like what are we doing here? What

1331
01:18:54,319 --> 01:18:54,920
is the point of this?

1332
01:18:56,039 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 2: I don't know? It is?

1333
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:58,279
Speaker 6: Sorry, what's that?

1334
01:18:58,920 --> 01:18:59,119
Speaker 2: Well?

1335
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean And this gets to something which because

1336
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:05,920
nobody wants to hear it.

1337
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,039
Speaker 2: Part one.

1338
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,199
Speaker 7: To take Boris Johnson for example, The reason that he

1339
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,800
flooded the place with millions of people within just a

1340
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,199
couple of years for the Borrows Wave was that after COVID,

1341
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,760
they needed all of these bodies. The Bank of England

1342
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,960
I think it was just basically just demanded that he

1343
01:19:26,079 --> 01:19:28,920
flood the place, take off, take off the breaks, take

1344
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,960
off all the safeguards and just flood the place for

1345
01:19:32,119 --> 01:19:35,279
financial reasons to soak up the money so we didn't

1346
01:19:35,279 --> 01:19:38,279
get hype oer inflation and to get people working and

1347
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:41,479
all of this kind of thing. And now the justification

1348
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,720
which we hear increasingly now there's an article in The

1349
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,279
Guardian this week that everybody was talking about is basically,

1350
01:19:50,399 --> 01:19:53,640
there's there's the birth rate is too low and you

1351
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:58,600
need to sort of you need bodies, you need these

1352
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,880
endless bodies coming in to keep this thing chugging along.

1353
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,800
And I know and I know that many people on

1354
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,920
the right look for ways to sort of brush that aside,

1355
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,359
and I think it's that it's a nettle that should

1356
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:20,840
be grabbed and you should just accept that. Yeah, we're

1357
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,600
gonna we still we will just have to do it,

1358
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,840
like we will just have to watch things collapse. We

1359
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,479
will just have to go downwards in our quality of

1360
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,520
life because as it is now, that's gonna happen anyway,

1361
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,159
just it'll take longer, but when it does actually happen,

1362
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,479
we're going to be like total minorities in our own country.

1363
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,600
And I'm I've actually sort of fought this through towards

1364
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:52,800
logical conclusion that for example, you're gonna have to deal

1365
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:53,680
with the fact that there.

1366
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 2: Will be two few children and too many old.

1367
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 7: People, and that's just the way it's going to be,

1368
01:21:00,199 --> 01:21:02,720
and it's going to be tough. But if we've still

1369
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,159
got our own country, and we've still got our own

1370
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:07,279
people and a sense of where we are in the world,

1371
01:21:08,039 --> 01:21:12,199
it could be choked up as another kind of hard

1372
01:21:12,319 --> 01:21:16,000
time that let's say the English went through. So we've

1373
01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:19,640
been through hard times before and we're going through another

1374
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,680
one again. If you've got like a circular view of history,

1375
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,439
which I tend to, then you kind of you know

1376
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,079
that winter is coming, and if you can just be

1377
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:34,359
honest about where you are on the cycle, you can

1378
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,880
hunker down and you can get ready for it. Now

1379
01:21:37,319 --> 01:21:40,000
a strange but what that will mean will be telling

1380
01:21:40,079 --> 01:21:43,000
the markets and telling the bankers to go to hell.

1381
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,520
And in a geopolitical sense, it's gonna be a little

1382
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,039
bit like if you're in a playing strategy game, it

1383
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:51,600
would be like turtling. You're just gonna kind of take

1384
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,279
some time out from world history because you're not in

1385
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:57,039
a good state right now. You're going to defend your borders,

1386
01:21:57,399 --> 01:22:01,560
You're gonna have minimal You're going to be like actually

1387
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,439
so many other countries around the world, to just mind

1388
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,279
their own business we did. You know, it's a particular

1389
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:11,000
Western and are definitely a particularly English mindset.

1390
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,239
Speaker 2: You see it even now, even now, at.

1391
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 7: This stage, we're warmongering and pretend to be a great power.

1392
01:22:18,199 --> 01:22:21,920
And if we could just say, look, time out, time out,

1393
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:25,399
we need one hundred years of getting We need to

1394
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,600
deport all the foreigners, and we need to get a

1395
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,640
house and order because we're dying here and we need

1396
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:36,000
to go on the defensive now very quickly, you would

1397
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:41,159
have curious things happening in that Materially things would go

1398
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:45,960
downhill quite a lot, but other things will happen where

1399
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:48,680
everybody would be able to have a house, so there

1400
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,720
wouldn't be a housing shortage. You would free up all

1401
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,920
of these properties and you would have you know, when

1402
01:22:56,079 --> 01:22:59,159
when you when you we got through the plague, for example,

1403
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,800
you got this booon to after the plague, it was horrible,

1404
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,039
the worst thing we've ever been through. And afterwards it

1405
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:08,560
was this boon time. And slowly but surely you can

1406
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,479
breathe yourself back to life, and you can heal the scars,

1407
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:17,479
and we can eat potatoes and onions and it's not

1408
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,600
going to be nice. But the problem is this is

1409
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,359
not what anybody wants to hear this is this is

1410
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,520
just not and this is this is this is the tragedy.

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This is the great tragedy of it all. The solution

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of this is to just take some time out and

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be ourselves for a long time.

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Speaker 2: But it's not. It's this kind of drive and of madness.

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Speaker 6: Right, And that's that you're the thing that I mentioned right,

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that that wig history right, things are always getting better

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all the time, and that's almost like this sacred myth

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that needs to be preserved no matter what. And so

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certainly on the narrative level, but also on the economic level,

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it's like, whatever we need to do so that that

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that fiction stays a live right, anything will be sacrificed.

1422
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And I think that your point about, you know, quality

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of living is I agree with that, right. And the

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complaints I'm making are not to say, you know, a

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decline in quality of living is the you know, the

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the worst thing that can befall either an individual or

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a nation. But there's a difference, as you've said, when

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you were getting you know, both, when you're getting both

1429
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replacement and the decline, and it's like, well that seems

1430
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to be losing twice right, this, this decline and quality

1431
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of living, you know, this decline in you know, international

1432
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prominence seems to be an efft seems to be the

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way of the world. And you can either fight against that,

1434
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you know, tooth and nail and destroy yourself in the process,

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or say, you know what, I would rather live to

1436
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play another game anyway more goth over time. I've got

1437
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,600
another interview after this, and my guest is no doubt

1438
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,720
wondering where I am. But thank you so much, man,

1439
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,960
It's it's always great to talk to you. I really

1440
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:58,880
appreciate your time.

1441
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Speaker 2: All right.

1442
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Speaker 7: I hope it wasn't too miserable, but that's the way

1443
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:03,439
things are.

1444
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Speaker 2: At the moment.

1445
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Speaker 7: So yeah, maybe I'll see you again next year.

1446
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Speaker 2: I have a merry Christmas.

1447
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Speaker 6: Likewise, Mort, I'll be sure to link to all of

1448
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,680
your stuff. It's great speaking to you. I appreciate it,

1449
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all right.

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