WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.600 And I would like to talk about a product that 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:04.639 I'm very angry about. I'm also good like that's something 3 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:06.280 I've got. Some rants make words go. 4 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:23.920 Now you know what the public's like, a page full 5 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:24.719 of guinea pigs. 6 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:38.039 Good night, you stupid idiots. We're nearing the end of March, 7 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:41.479 and this is culture. Sighing. 8 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:45.240 In Princeton, New Jersey, is Rob Long, Hi sighing, Rob Long, 9 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:45.719 how are you? 10 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:47.359 I'm doing very well, John, how are you? 11 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:49.840 I am well? And in Washington, d c. 12 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:54.679 As with a copy of Doune over his left shoulder 13 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:56.719 is Jonah Goldberg. 14 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:57.960 Jonah, how are you? 15 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:00.920 I'm all right? I consider myself there of size, So 16 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:03.960 I feel like Rob's taking my material. 17 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:07.120 But Prince of size s I D H S or 18 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:09.719 s I z e H s I. 19 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:16.439 G plays some corn hole with the Prince of size. 20 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:18.040 Well shall we? 21 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:23.159 I mean you guys did see the story we did 22 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:29.959 text about the story about the cornhole champion who is 23 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:36.640 a multiple amputee be arrested for murder because not only 24 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:41.200 can he play cornhole though he has wellcated arms, but 25 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:45.799 he can also shoot someone with a gun while he 26 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:49.560 has no arms and legs. He's like a really successful 27 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.319 versus Black Knight from He's the Black Knight as the 28 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.439 Black Knight would wish to be in yea Python. 29 00:01:56.719 --> 00:01:58.640 My question though, is is he is he? Really? 30 00:01:58.760 --> 00:01:58.959 Is he? 31 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.000 I mean, I hate to do this, this is unfair, 32 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:03.840 but is he a corn hole champion or is he 33 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:05.719 a special corn hole champion? 34 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:06.680 You know that you have this to. 35 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:13.639 Cornhole, which, by the way, is is never a good idea. 36 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:15.960 And by the way, I think that that is you are. 37 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:20.800 This what you've done there is you have othered him 38 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.599 And just because he's accused of murder and been arrested 39 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:27.639 for murder does not mean that you need to other him. 40 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:30.360 That would be my just shame on you. 41 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.319 Do you remember those missus Jones and missus Jones jokes 42 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:35.039 when we were kids. I mean, I know, I'm a 43 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:37.919 little younger than you. I was like, missus Jones, Missus Jones, 44 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:39.159 can Bobby come out and play? 45 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:39.919 Oh yeah? 46 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:42.599 Oh yeah, yeah, no, you know he can't. He doesn't 47 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:44.599 have any arms and legs. And you're like, well, can 48 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:47.639 you play second base? Yeah? 49 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:47.919 Yeah? 50 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:52.400 The marble jokes and marble and horrible and whatever, but like. 51 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:54.560 Okay, more horrible jokes. 52 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:55.639 They were funny. 53 00:02:56.479 --> 00:03:01.080 My daughter says to me the other day, do you 54 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.240 know that my generation believes that Helen Keller was a fake? 55 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.800 Apparently there is a TikTok, there was a whole yeah, 56 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:16.879 TikTok that is devoted to either proving or just suggesting 57 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:24.360 that Helen Keller was in fact not a genius socialist 58 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:30.280 memoirist hero who learned the fundaments of language from Anne Sullivan. 59 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:32.840 That it was all answer, then the whole thing was 60 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:35.000 a fake. Did you know this theory? 61 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:36.080 I've heard of this. 62 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:41.080 I've heard of this, but I think it is an outgrowth, 63 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:45.319 a bad cultural outgrowth of the truth, as sometimes these 64 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:47.439 theories are, which the truth is that she was a 65 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:48.400 terrible person. 66 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:50.439 She really was. 67 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.599 Apparently she's just a terrible, parial person. 68 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.080 So people now want to take from her, you know 69 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:58.240 her like although you know, you know how she burned 70 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:02.439 the side of her face right answering the iron, she. 71 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:04.400 Burned her hand trying to read the waffle iron. 72 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:08.439 Oh that's true, Yeah, right, okay, but so fine. 73 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:10.840 I'm just saying, like, I did not know that this 74 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:16.759 was one of the many otherwise a conspiracy theory so old, 75 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:22.959 yeah that you know it? How I didn't even know 76 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.879 people knew who Helen Keller was anymore. I guess maybe 77 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.399 maybe schools still staged the Miracle Worker or something like that. 78 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.800 I did once have a brain kind of a mini 79 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:40.160 stroke in my head once, and I two more different people. 80 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.639 I can't imagine, but I was trying to talk about 81 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:51.319 the eponymous diarist, famous Amsterdam girl diarist who wrote a 82 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.720 diary and then went to Holocaust and went to Auschwitz. 83 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.199 And I was for some reason, I kept saying the 84 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.800 Diary of Helen Keller. But you know, Helen Keller when 85 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:03.439 she was betrayed by the by Dutch collaboration. 86 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:08.120 Okay, that is an interesting, uh whatever you call that 87 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:14.639 kind of thing, solicism or brain peart. Because another thing 88 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:18.199 my daughter did, who has been doing research on contemporary 89 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.800 Jewish topics for her bachelor thesis, a friend of hers 90 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:28.240 sent her this thing from summer camp, uh, Jewish summer 91 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.519 camp from nineteen ninety or something like that, on whom 92 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:36.199 do you admire? And so the list of people was 93 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:41.040 as follows, whom do you admire? You talk Shamir, this 94 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:42.040 is a Jewish summer camp. 95 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:47.639 Then okay, this is Martin. 96 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:49.480 It's not where Tucker sends his kids to camp. That's 97 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:49.920 what you're saying. 98 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:51.199 Yeah, that's right, that's. 99 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:56.839 Right, Martin, Luther King and Frank or Helen Keller. 100 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.199 These were the four Attle four choices you got. 101 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:00.480 So your. 102 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.920 Your kind of confusing, and Frank and Helen Keller has 103 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:10.600 a cultural root dating back decades to the Jewish summer camping. 104 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:12.399 I liked the idea, though when the minute you said, 105 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:14.519 you know, she's doing this thing in contemporary Jewish topics, 106 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.439 all I could think it was like topic one, my 107 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.160 prostate hicks me forever to pee you are. 108 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.279 She's twenty one, and so. 109 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:28.920 Those are still topics. Those are still topics. Those are 110 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:30.120 our cultural topics. 111 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:32.480 They are topics you know what make fun of Jews 112 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:34.240 all you like. But I did point out on the 113 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.199 commentary podcast today that the baseball season has started and 114 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:41.480 the first game was the Yankees versus the Giants, and 115 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:43.759 there was the Yankees pitch to shut out, and the 116 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:48.160 shutout pitcher was Max Freed, one of the few Jews 117 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:53.000 in the major leagues, and somebody who played for Israel 118 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:55.600 in the Macabea Games when he was in high school. 119 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:02.160 Score one for my belagued people. Let's see, if you 120 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:07.399 know Hassan Piker wants to take on Max Freed. 121 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:08.800 It does. 122 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:11.079 I mean, look and I, of course, as you know 123 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.639 I I I love all peoples and all all creeds. 124 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.240 Do you do well? You love them all equally. Let's 125 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:22.319 just put it back. Well, I didn't say that. I 126 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:23.279 mean I'm not. 127 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:23.639 I'm not. 128 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:26.040 Yeah, I'm not a saint. 129 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:27.240 I am. 130 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.519 I don't think at least today or probably this week, 131 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:36.759 you will do anything more perfectly in line with every 132 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:41.079 anti Semites idea of Jewish people than to watch a 133 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:45.160 baseball game on Opening Day and say good for the Jews. 134 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:46.560 Find the Jewish angle in it. 135 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.000 Hey, I can't help I can't help myself. 136 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.279 You know, there are like three really good players in 137 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.319 the in the in the in the you. 138 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.319 Have like a divining rod. You're like a dowser. You 139 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.240 just find you. You can find anywhere you like. 140 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.920 My my mother who grew up in St. Paul, Minnesota, 141 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.959 there was a Jewish paper as there was an even 142 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:10.240 city as small and Saint Paul with a small and 143 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:13.240 Jewish population, there was a Jewish paper in Saint Paul 144 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:25.319 and wasn't Star Tribune, no, actually, but my mother, uh, 145 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:29.120 there was a feature in the in the weekly. Her 146 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.360 favorite feature and in every featured in every Jewish newspaper 147 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:33.360 in the United States. 148 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:37.120 Called our fellow tribe members. 149 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:42.559 And it would be a thing about, hey, guess who's Jewish. 150 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.639 And the greatest moment of her life, when she was 151 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:48.440 I don't know, eight or nine years old, was when 152 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:53.679 she discovered the Dinah Shore, who was from I think Charleston, 153 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.919 South Carolina, was in fact a Jew. 154 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.120 Well, people forget about Charleston. That is the thing that 155 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:01.399 people forget. How incredibly Jewish Charleston. 156 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:06.279 But a veiled reference to the slave trade rep it. 157 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.240 No, it has one of the too old. 158 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:11.919 Some other Jewish thereia type. 159 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.480 As the second oldest synagogue in the United States something 160 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:19.039 like that is in Charleston anyway. But Dinah Shore, that 161 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:23.759 was a great moment. So we we take our we 162 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:28.759 take our comradeship with our lunesman very seriously, particularly if 163 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:34.840 they are involved in fields not ordinarily known for their Jewishness. 164 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:36.840 So that's why I'm mentioned Max. 165 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.159 There's also something a lot of people don't understand about 166 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.799 Jews playing count the Jews or celebrate is it's actually 167 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.000 a very patriotic thing. It's it's it's like We're part 168 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:49.600 of America. Look how cool this is? 169 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:49.919 You know? 170 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:55.600 Oh you mean for America. Yeah, yeah, for America. I'm sorry, 171 00:09:55.919 --> 00:10:00.399 but well Max Reid isn't playing for the television, friend, 172 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:02.639 But I want to get back to like, like I 173 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:05.840 think I am. I was well trained by my father 174 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:10.960 in the importance of holding utterly meaningless but ancient intellectual 175 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:15.279 grievances and carrying receipts for a very long time. So 176 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:19.759 I kind of I'm enamored with the idea of trying 177 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:24.480 to expose that fraud. Helen Keller, I am. 178 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.480 It is great. I'm sorry, it is absolutely great. 179 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:29.919 I agree. I just don't know if it's true, but like, like, 180 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.039 if it were true, I'd be like down for it. 181 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:34.919 It does raise the question, who is someone that you're 182 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.759 that you think are someone that we are told by 183 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:45.759 conventional wisdom that we are supposed to revere who you 184 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:51.000 you will not let go of your more balanced interpretation 185 00:10:51.360 --> 00:11:00.639 of their character. Oh, I'll go first, you guys, So 186 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:03.759 I'm not gonna do Martin Luther King because I think 187 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:07.919 the people who wanted to and then right, that's fine whatever, 188 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.080 Martin looking good and important. Man, it did important things. 189 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:17.960 My guy is Gandhi. Gandhi was a pretty terrible person 190 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:19.559 in all sorts of ways. 191 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:21.720 He was. 192 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.720 He refused to let his wife get life saving medication, 193 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:27.399 but on the grounds that it was some you know. 194 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:32.200 He was basically RFK in a toga, and he had 195 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:34.559 all these theories about modern medicine, all that kind of stuff, 196 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.799 and his wife died because he wouldn't let her get 197 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:40.360 medical treatment. But when he needed medical treatment, he got it. 198 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.320 He was the guy who told he was obsessed with 199 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.720 his bowel movements to a point that we don't need 200 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:49.840 to dwell on too much here. 201 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:51.240 And his. 202 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:57.240 His whole violence never solved anything. Stick He only used 203 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:02.559 that against the Brits basically and the way and just 204 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:05.440 referred to Hitler as his friend and never told him 205 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.039 violence never solved anything. He did tell the British that 206 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:13.759 they should just surrender to the Nazis and that the 207 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:17.960 Jews should all kill themselves in an act of civil, 208 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:23.639 disobedient resistance to the Nazis. So yes, I'm sorry, I'm 209 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:26.120 going to problematize Gandhi a little bit. 210 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:32.120 There is a magnificent piece that was published in commentary 211 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:35.799 magazine Richard eighty two by Richard Grenier called the Gandhi 212 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.519 Nobody knows because this movie had been made that yeah, 213 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:44.840 every Oscar by Richard Attenborough, starring and absolutely brilliant Ben Kingsley, who, 214 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.679 by the way, is absolutely brilliant this year on this 215 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:53.320 Disney Plus show wonder Man Spectacular. He is one of 216 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:55.720 the great actors who has ever lived, and he was 217 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:59.960 great as Gandhi. But the movie is a giograph hegiograph 218 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.919 portrait of Gandhi, and so Richard wrote this, Oh you 219 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:05.639 want to know who Gandhi really is, well, let me 220 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.840 tell you. And then I was remembering, It's interesting you 221 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:14.840 brought this up because I was thinking about Iran and 222 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.840 the trouble that Iran has made in the world for 223 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:22.840 the last forty seven years, and I remembered a totally 224 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.440 forgotten cultural event that Richard Granier wrote a really funny 225 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:30.879 comic novel about that is now it would cost me 226 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:34.519 one hundred dollars to buy it on Amazon, so I'm 227 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:36.519 not going to buy it on Amazon. But it was 228 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.480 called The Marrakesh one two and it was about the 229 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.799 making See if you guys remember this of a movie 230 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:48.240 called Mohammed Messenger of God with Anthony Quinn as Mohammad. 231 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:53.519 And it both the Pope and Mohammad. That's impressive. 232 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:55.399 He can't play anything. 233 00:13:56.919 --> 00:13:59.720 And a New York City copp and across one hundred 234 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.840 and ten street. I just want to buy a Vincent 235 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:04.519 Van Goh, I believe. 236 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:05.159 Yeah, I think so. 237 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:06.639 But wait a minute, are you? 238 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.679 Are we off of the idea of like of good 239 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:11.799 people who are really secretly No? 240 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:13.399 Yeah, please, no, go ahead, please. 241 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:17.799 I think everyone I mean, as you know, I love everybody, 242 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:19.840 and I wish everybody well. So I think we're all 243 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.519 beloved children of God. So I don't have the hatreds 244 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.759 that you and Jonah seem to have in Nurture. Yeah, 245 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.120 you can't go too soon with Helen Keller. 246 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:29.200 You can't. 247 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.919 I actually this doesn't make me unusual. 248 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:36.879 But I I'm not crazy about Eleanor Roosevelt. 249 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:37.440 That's good. 250 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.039 I like it, not crazy. And I heard a great 251 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:43.360 story one it's very moving story of my friend who 252 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:47.240 a wonderful writer names Bob Samd's a wonderful writer, very 253 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.919 funny guy, and he grew up in New Jersey and 254 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:53.279 in the he's older. He's an older guy, so I 255 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.159 don't hold he is now he's old to me and 256 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.159 he grew up in He got a got a great 257 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.960 nineteen fifties kind of vibe, early sixties vibe to him 258 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.279 growing up. And he had a very hard childhood in a 259 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:06.960 lot of ways. His father was a kind of a 260 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.799 difficult guide. But his mother died when he was very young, 261 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:12.120 went not very like eleven or twelve, so like a 262 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:16.799 really important time, and he absolutely depressed. And his older 263 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.519 sister lived in New York City. He went through months 264 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:21.360 and months and months of his sort of glum depression, 265 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.399 and his father was no help. And his father instantly remarried, 266 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.120 like within a month, and did this thing where he 267 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.320 brought this woman home and said call her mom now. 268 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:32.320 Like it was like from a bad novel, right, but 269 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:37.039 it's real. And his sister said, want you to come into 270 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:40.559 the city tomorrow, and said They came in the city, 271 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:42.960 and he took the train in and walked around when 272 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.720 New York City was a black and white city, and 273 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:49.960 they went down to NYU to see a panel or 274 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:54.039 some presentation of something with Elwen or Roosevelt. And she 275 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:55.799 was very old at that point. And there's a big 276 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:58.360 and they're big up at a front row. They're watching 277 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.679 this thing unfold, ik foret what it was. And Roosevelt 278 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.600 was in the on the dais and and she started 279 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:08.080 to she fell asleep, started asleep, and her head lolled 280 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:10.039 to one side, and her tongue came out, and there's 281 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:14.000 this huge stream of drool came out of her mouth 282 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.399 as she was asleep during the speeches, and then she 283 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.679 started to snort and snore, and no one could wake 284 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:23.879 up Eleanor Roosevelt. And he started to laugh, and they 285 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:27.200 started to laugh in the front row, and he laughed 286 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.360 and they laughed. It couldn't stop laughing. And it was 287 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.000 said it was the first time he'd laughed in almost 288 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:34.600 a year, and and he felt much better after that 289 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:40.440 after laughing at an elderly, disgusting, snoring, drooling Elander Roosevelt. 290 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:43.480 So so I'm one. I'm wondering because Rob, you're a 291 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:51.080 You're you're a token, uh wasp, careful guy here right? Well, no, 292 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.639 just like in popular culture, uh I when you said 293 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:56.919 you don't like Eleanor Roosevelt, which I'm totally sympathetic to, 294 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:02.159 I immediately went to the grand the matriarch in the 295 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:05.960 Christopher Walkens fa family and wedding crashers Oh yeah, who 296 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:08.759 talked about how F g R was just a doll 297 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.920 and a sweet man. But I'm just quoting a movie here, people. 298 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:17.680 But Eleanor Roosevelt was a big, dumb dyke, useless rug muncher. 299 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:24.319 That's when they put a bed wondering if maybe there's 300 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:28.720 this this, this, this, this digital wasp thing about uh 301 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:29.440 uh Ellen Rose. 302 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.079 Also, we were crazy about Franklin either, let's get you 303 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.359 know Eleanor's collateral damage. 304 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:36.359 Well that's the thing. 305 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:38.559 Yeah, it was a trader in general, just sort of 306 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:39.599 an American enterprise. 307 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:55.519 Yeah, I go with media figures. Edward comes immediately to mind. 308 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.680 All the worst he the A lot of the pomposity 309 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:06.799 relates to his use after his death and the idea 310 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.480 that he represented the finest and greatest and noblest of 311 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:13.079 American traditions. 312 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:18.359 He himself was I think a more mixed and amusing figure. 313 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:20.759 You know, he used to do these interviews with people 314 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.279 with this giant television screen, and he was much more 315 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:30.240 pop and he was, you know, Christian amanpour pompous. I mean, 316 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.160 he is a sort of like a big TV star, 317 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:35.039 and he played himself as a big TV star. But 318 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:39.559 then in the wake of his relatively early death. He 319 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:44.359 then became this totemic example of the glories of CBS 320 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.400 News and that kind of thing. And so though I 321 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:53.200 don't like, but like, who the hell was he? I 322 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.759 understand he was in He was in World War Two. 323 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.960 So we're hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of reporters who 324 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.119 don't get the credit that he gets. But I'm trying 325 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.799 to think of like other I mean, there are you know, 326 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:09.519 I feel very negatively about Bob Woodward, who, by the way, 327 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:12.920 has just released a you know, is releasing a memoir 328 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:15.559 in the Fall, in which he promises to name names 329 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.680 of dead people who you know, gave him secrets he 330 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:21.759 couldn't say until after they were dead. 331 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.119 I think he's a liar. I think he lied. 332 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:34.000 His book about Iran Contra features a climactic event I 333 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:36.279 do not believe happened, and that I think he made 334 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.640 up because he didn't have a sort of news hook 335 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:41.519 for the book, because he didn't get anything. 336 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.039 And that's this supposed him. 337 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.200 Sneaking in too Bill Casey, the CIA Directors hospital, saying 338 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.319 why did you do it? In Casey with his last 339 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:55.599 breath saying I believed and then dying. That's made up right, 340 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:59.720 And I do not believe that happened in Casey's family. 341 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.319 Does I believe that happened. And I think a person 342 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.119 who can do something like that is beneath contempt and 343 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:07.279 so uh. 344 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:10.119 And of course you know they. 345 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:10.319 Don't like it. 346 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.359 You don't like people forget, he's not your cup of tea. 347 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:15.039 He's not my cup of tea. 348 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.039 I mean, there are many, many, many people who are 349 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:18.920 not my there. 350 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:21.960 I think that's been established. 351 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:25.599 I think, I think if you look at the glop archives, 352 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:26.400 I think that has been. 353 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:28.839 The list of people that are your cup of tea. 354 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:31.680 These days, John is becoming ever more selective. 355 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.839 It is true. And I don't even like tea. 356 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:42.000 I don't like tea, so all right, But yeah, but 357 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:48.920 pomposity is what archness, pomposity, self seriousness, that's those are 358 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.559 the things that get under my. 359 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:54.440 But it can't be people who are famous for it. 360 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:56.319 Can't be people who are famous for being arrogant. It 361 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.000 has to be people who have a reputation of being 362 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.440 salt of the earth, wonderful wise, faintly, saintly and. 363 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:07.480 Were decent or something. You know who I really hated, 364 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.759 you know, I really hated Princess Diana. 365 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:12.240 I like that fay Ed guy. 366 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:13.079 I did. 367 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.799 Well. You know, he was just a guy in tight 368 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:20.079 pants and a golden necklace trying to, you know, score 369 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.400 with the babes. I remember when she died. 370 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:25.720 The morning she died, I could always tell I had 371 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:28.480 these English friends I had in La, in La at 372 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:30.079 the time, and you know, you come to La, you're 373 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:32.680 kind of like un especially if you're English, you're kind 374 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.559 of unconnected to the English social system, so you don't 375 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:36.640 really know who's who. 376 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:37.519 Right when they're in La. 377 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.839 They're all driving around acting like they're from La, and 378 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:42.559 you I could always tell me. You couldn't tell from 379 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:45.319 their accents because like the upper class English people always 380 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.000 adopt a kind of a slightly lower class accent, and 381 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.440 so I could. I knew instantly which of my English 382 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:54.839 friends were sort of aristocrats and which were not by 383 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:56.759 how they respond to the death. So the ones who 384 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.559 were not aristocrats said things like, oh, what a tragedy 385 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:06.039 people's princess, and the ones who were aristocrats said, thank 386 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:06.839 god she's dead. 387 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:13.079 Mad as a brush, I've never heard that. 388 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:17.440 It isn't it good? I don't know what it. 389 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:23.279 Means, but it's us that is a fantastic phrase. 390 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.119 I wonder how I will tell you? 391 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.279 I will I know we want to move on to 392 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:33.920 pop culture but tons British sounds. 393 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:35.599 A pound is obviously a really. 394 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:37.359 Down as a pound. 395 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:41.240 Uh yeah, well you know you steal steal them all 396 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:41.759 from Woodhouse. 397 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:43.160 You know they're all great to all the ones in. 398 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:45.640 And now we're gonna take a short break because I 399 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:50.119 want to tell you about a great new podcast. We 400 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:53.880 hear a lot, especially online, about conservatives attacking other conservatives. 401 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.640