Speaker 1: It's Nights with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm Boston Radio with Steve Rowland. Here we are talking
Speaker 2: about the only story that really we can talk about tonight,
Speaker 2: and that is the horrific DC plane crash that took
Speaker 2: the lives of some sixty seven people. I think everyone
Speaker 2: knows the story at this point. We hear in New
Speaker 2: England field it particularly because at least six of the
Speaker 2: passengers were from New England. They were involved in a
Speaker 2: skating development camp out in Kansas, also some competition out there,
Speaker 2: and two young skaters, sixteen year old Spencer Lane of Barrington,
Speaker 2: Rhode Island and thirteen year old Ginahan of Mansfield, and
Speaker 2: their moms, Christine Lane and Ginhan perished in this senseless tragedy.
Speaker 2: Also their coaches and Genia and Vadim Nimov Nimov who
Speaker 2: won the world championship in nineteen ninety four, and they
Speaker 2: were on their way back from what's called the national
Speaker 2: development camp in which you could talk Kansas when the
Speaker 2: collision occurred last night. There's a story today that The
Speaker 2: New York Times has sourced which says that there was
Speaker 2: only one controller on duty, handling both the helicopter, the
Speaker 2: military helicopter and the plane that was coming in. Look
Speaker 2: you considered an airport. You watched these planes land every
Speaker 2: thirty seconds. Maybe it's time to space them out more.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's time to pull some flights down. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: time to make it less convenient for Americans. Okay, if
Speaker 2: we could save lives, maybe we need more shorter flight.
Speaker 2: Maybe we need more connecting flights. There has to be
Speaker 2: a better way to do it than to have something
Speaker 2: like this happen. I just think that air traffic travel
Speaker 2: air travel has become like bus travel. You see people
Speaker 2: get on planes and they're bringing or they bring in
Speaker 2: Duffel bags. I mean, you know, they maybe, somehow, some way,
Speaker 2: the airlines and the passenger organizations can get together give
Speaker 2: people a little bit more room, maybe not cram people
Speaker 2: in as tightly as they do. Flying coach is miserable,
Speaker 2: miserable for the most part, whether you're in the window
Speaker 2: seat or the or the middle seat. They don't make
Speaker 2: it fun. They've cut back on every creature comfort. Uh,
Speaker 2: you're knock. Can fly across the country and there's no
Speaker 2: meal service. I just I don't know. I'm not an expert,
Speaker 2: I'm not an economist in air travel, but there has
Speaker 2: to be a better way to doing that. The public's
Speaker 2: not happy. You get to airports now, and unless you
Speaker 2: want to go to the kiosk, you'll have to wait
Speaker 2: in line. Sometimes you have to wait in line at
Speaker 2: the kiosks. They have cut back, cut back, cut back,
Speaker 2: And if they've cut back on the public facing personnel
Speaker 2: at the counter, then you know that they've also cut
Speaker 2: back in other areas. And again it comes back to
Speaker 2: the being counters. The being counters are the people who
Speaker 2: who will ruin this country, and ruin this economy, and
Speaker 2: ruin great cooperations in this company, in this country. Six
Speaker 2: one seven two four ten thirty. Those lines are full.
Speaker 2: There's one line at six one seven nine three one
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Let me get to Chuck in Georgia, Chuck,
Speaker 2: But I appreciate your patience. I didn't want to short
Speaker 2: change the last hour. Your next your first is our
Speaker 2: night side.
Speaker 3: Yes, how you doing?
Speaker 4: Dan?
Speaker 2: Uh? You know? Pretty good? I mean I I just
Speaker 2: think that this is an unnecessary tragedy. I I this
Speaker 2: is a big story up here tonight, Chuck. I know
Speaker 2: it's a big story in Georgia. But you lost some
Speaker 2: some amazing young people and athletes on that flight last night.
Speaker 3: Well, you're right, and you know it's it's for the
Speaker 3: being counters. It's always volume, you know, the quicker you
Speaker 3: can get them in, quicker you can get them out,
Speaker 3: and so forth. And I'm I'm not so sure that's
Speaker 3: the reason for this problem. But I know that the
Speaker 3: tower actually got a hold of the helicopter and it
Speaker 3: was on a retraining flight. I mean, to bring every
Speaker 3: all the pilots up to snuff, I'm sure, But I
Speaker 3: wonder if they were supposed to be wearing night goggles.
Speaker 3: I think that's standard operating procedure for the military and helicopters.
Speaker 2: And why wouldn't they We'll never know. Will We're never
Speaker 2: going to know. I don't think so. Well. My question
Speaker 2: is why were they at three hundred and fifty feet?
Speaker 2: I heard today on several news horses that these helicopters
Speaker 2: who are functioning in that area. I don't know why
Speaker 2: they have to function in that area specifically, but if you.
Speaker 3: Were in the standard flight path too, yeah, why, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what they're talking about. It Are they worried
Speaker 2: about people attacking the Pentagon? I but let's assume that
Speaker 2: it's necessary. Well, could they not do it maybe at
Speaker 2: a time in the in the in the early morning
Speaker 2: hours when there were fewer planes landing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just yes. And why are they in
Speaker 3: the standard flight carridor for these planes? You know, there's
Speaker 3: a big sky out there. I don't know why they're
Speaker 3: in that carridor, but they are.
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is they're supposed to win. They're
Speaker 2: in that corridor. The news reports, I saw it that
Speaker 2: they said they have to stay at or below two
Speaker 2: hundred feet and the collision occurreded three hundred and fifty feet.
Speaker 3: Well, pre training, Dan, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 3: We've seen a jet in Arizona a few years ago.
Speaker 3: It was on a training mission, went down in the desert.
Speaker 3: Seen a number of things happen in these retraining things.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that one was out of I think at
Speaker 2: Luke Air Force Base outside of Phoenix. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: I recall that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of that.
Speaker 2: That could be a mechanical failure, that could be all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it could.
Speaker 3: Have it could have been. But this one here is
Speaker 3: going to be human error. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: Question and question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And as for the uh, the tower, it's I
Speaker 3: read up and it's okay for one person to be
Speaker 3: handling two uh, helicopters, planes, whatever it may be.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Sure that sh Let me say this, Chuck, I don't
Speaker 2: know that I can handle two callers simultaneously. And I'm
Speaker 2: just a talk show host. I mean, I'm talking to you,
Speaker 2: and I got a conversation goal with you. Okay, Now,
Speaker 2: let's assume we had Karen from Wisconsin on and sake, Chuck,
Speaker 2: let me talk to Karen. Karen, what do you think? Okay,
Speaker 2: let me see what Chuck asked this. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, you're doing it in a way when you hang
Speaker 3: up with me, you're going to talk to somebody else.
Speaker 2: So that they separate. If they're up there talking to
Speaker 2: the helicopter and uh and the plane and the pilot
Speaker 2: of the plane. Uh, that doesn't.
Speaker 3: Sound to me like a different frequencies, you know. So,
Speaker 3: but I I hope to get they get to the
Speaker 3: bottom of it very quick. I think they got the
Speaker 3: box off the plane, and they.
Speaker 2: Said they have the box off the off the plane,
Speaker 2: not off the helicopter. Yet. The other thing is that
Speaker 2: those those those military personnel did pretty good. They're not
Speaker 2: flying around up there to to commit suicide. That pilot
Speaker 2: has apparently was doing the right thing trying to come in,
Speaker 2: and they just did. Someone was in the wrong place
Speaker 2: at the wrong time, and well.
Speaker 3: It was a retraining thing, and you never know, you know,
Speaker 3: I think, uh, if the helicopter flew into the path of.
Speaker 2: It yet, Yeah, I watched that tonight. It looked to
Speaker 2: me like the jets coming in and the helicopter hit
Speaker 2: it on the right side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: How could that be? I mean, how could you be
Speaker 2: flying a helicopter. It looked it didn't look Last night
Speaker 2: they were saying that maybe the plane had dropped dropped
Speaker 2: down and had taken the helicopter out for the video. Tonight,
Speaker 2: it looked like that plane's coming in and on the
Speaker 2: right side of the plane, here comes the helicopter at
Speaker 2: a perpendicular angle, you know, ninety degree angle.
Speaker 3: The Blackhawks can fly, you know too, three hundred miles
Speaker 3: an hour. So if they were going to full blast,
Speaker 3: you know, they you know, maybe they just couldn't get
Speaker 3: out of the way in time. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I you know, I hope it never happens again. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of questions with this one.
Speaker 2: And let's get some answers.
Speaker 3: A lot of lives upset, Let's get some answers.
Speaker 2: It changed, forever, changed, forever, Chuck is always thanks were
Speaker 2: listening down there in the Peach Street State.
Speaker 3: Hey, good show, Dan, thank.
Speaker 2: You, Thanks very much, Chuck. That take a very quick break.
Speaker 2: One line at six month seven two, five four or
Speaker 2: one line at six months seven nine, three, one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We will talk about this until eleven o'clock. That's my goal.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I'll be very disappointed if
Speaker 2: if these lines don't remain full, because this is a
Speaker 2: night that on North America's back porch. That's one of
Speaker 2: the functions we have here. And the function that we
Speaker 2: have here is to make you understand that the feelings
Speaker 2: that you're feeling right now, the sadness, there's nothing wrong
Speaker 2: with that, and if you want to express it, you
Speaker 2: are more than welcome. My name's Dan Ray. This is
Speaker 2: night side. We do call it occasionally North America's back porch,
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what it is. So step up on
Speaker 2: the porch, tell us what you think. If you want
Speaker 2: to be analytical and talk about the accident and the
Speaker 2: logistics of the accident, fine, if you just want to
Speaker 2: talk as a human being and realize that these I
Speaker 2: mean lives have been these lives have been changed in aulterately.
Speaker 2: They're never going back to where they were thirty six
Speaker 2: hours ago. What a tragedy. Back on Night's Side after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, gonna move people a little bit more quickly for
Speaker 2: the balance of this hour, So let's go to Stephen Bridgewater. Steve,
Speaker 2: It's been a tough, tough twenty four hours here in
Speaker 2: New England, hasn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, Dan, I gotta tell you I was watching
Speaker 6: the end of the Sean Hennity Show last night, unflocked it.
Speaker 6: All of a sudden, I turn it on. I see
Speaker 6: blinking lights all over the place, and I'm saying, what's
Speaker 6: this to me? It's the plane with the plane crash there.
Speaker 6: So I saw it minutes after it happened. I actually
Speaker 6: saw footage of it happening. I gotta tell you, Dan,
Speaker 6: from watching it. I'm no expert on the subject matter,
Speaker 6: but I see the jet, the commercial jet, coming in
Speaker 6: like it's in its approach area powder where we're supposed
Speaker 6: to be nice to little dot come over from the
Speaker 6: left side of the screen and it like crashes right
Speaker 6: into it. I'm saying, wait, didn't they It was a
Speaker 6: clear night, clear as glass, no flog, no nothing. It's like,
Speaker 6: how could they not have seen the plane? Did they
Speaker 6: see themselves going right into the aircraft? But the part
Speaker 6: of it that doesn't make sense to me, well.
Speaker 2: It absolutely doesn't make sense at all. And yeah, you
Speaker 2: know those pilots or those those military personnel, they're not
Speaker 2: they're trying to kill themselves. They're up there trying to
Speaker 2: complete their mission. But how could they have made that mistake?
Speaker 2: I mean, everything that we see right now is that
Speaker 2: the plane was on approach, was under control, and the
Speaker 2: the Blackhawk was about one hundred and fifty feet higher
Speaker 2: than it should have been.
Speaker 6: Yeah, other than if it came close off it had
Speaker 6: to do it go a little higher and go right
Speaker 6: over it. The commercial aircraft has passed right over it, right,
Speaker 6: It doesn't make sense. You'd think, I know, this isn't
Speaker 6: the case, Dan, you would think it was almost done
Speaker 6: on purpose.
Speaker 2: But I know, I know that's where you were leading.
Speaker 2: But why But that makes no sense. I means there's
Speaker 2: some military pilots.
Speaker 6: It looks that way. Yeah, looked that way because no.
Speaker 2: I just what you're saying. No, I get it, I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I don't think it actually happened, but
Speaker 6: it looked that way. It does not occurring to me
Speaker 6: even though I know it wasn't. It's not the case.
Speaker 6: What I mean, it's like a car seeing another car
Speaker 6: and just driving right into it.
Speaker 2: Steve, wait for the investigation. Let's find out. Let's find
Speaker 2: out what happened, because it could never happen again. Thanks man,
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, damn, Dan, can I can? I? Can I
Speaker 6: say one other thing. One of the things we're talking about,
Speaker 6: the air traffic control toy was being understaffed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I talked about it earlier. I just talked about
Speaker 2: it earlier. The New York Times it released. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you, what did you hear when I what I
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier? Or no, no, no, no, well, let me
Speaker 2: tell you. The New York Times released a report today
Speaker 2: that said, as of September twenty three, both the FAA
Speaker 2: and the Flight Controller Union felt that the Reagan National
Speaker 2: Airport should have thirty qualified full time air traffic controllers.
Speaker 2: They had nineteen to cover all that's way below. That's
Speaker 2: thirty percent below. But both management and the union agreed
Speaker 2: upon that's a problem. Go ahead, Jeffrey, whatever you want
Speaker 2: to say. Why don't you add whatever you'd like to add.
Speaker 6: Okay, So remember way back, I know that it's been
Speaker 6: an issue for years, over forty it's back in nineteen
Speaker 6: eighty one when Reagan took Powell took the troll became president.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he fired the air traffic controllers because they
Speaker 2: were threatening a strike.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Pastor union, but maybe way back ending with
Speaker 6: these problems too, and they I know he bought the
Speaker 6: PATO union, but maybe they weren't totally around either. Maybe
Speaker 6: this problem has been going on for years. Let's find
Speaker 6: that shortage of yeah, all over the country, not just
Speaker 6: not just in that airport.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's find out.
Speaker 6: Thanks Steve, all right, Dan, thank you.
Speaker 2: You welcome Tina and Moonsacket rhodeinan Tina, you were next
Speaker 2: on nightside.
Speaker 7: Yes, Hello, Dan, I'm so glad. I Hi, sweetie, I'm
Speaker 7: so glad I turned in today. I'm tuned in after
Speaker 7: nine o'clock and I've been listening since that time. And
Speaker 7: that gentleman just mentioned the air traffic controllers, and I
Speaker 7: think they had every right to strike because who their voice,
Speaker 7: they have to be heard. And I think that was
Speaker 7: a terrible thing that Ronald Reagan did. And I feel
Speaker 7: very upset about this, and it makes me stop and
Speaker 7: it's a very sober ring to say something like this. Oh,
Speaker 7: I realize my problems aren't as bad as all ZI
Speaker 7: make them out to be.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I just respond, they need they need a voice, Tina, let.
Speaker 2: Me respond to what you said. Okay, there's certain professions
Speaker 2: in this country which are not allowed to strike. Police
Speaker 2: officers cannot strike, firefighters cannot strike, the military cannot strike.
Speaker 2: All those folks become and air traffic controllers cannot strike.
Speaker 2: They accept those jobs with the understanding if your house
Speaker 2: is burning down and you call the fighter problem, they
Speaker 2: say to you would love to come Ova, but we're
Speaker 2: on strike. It kind of worked that way.
Speaker 7: I why I say that they I know, can I
Speaker 7: express myself a little bit better? The reason why I
Speaker 7: think that they had the right to strike and they
Speaker 7: really don't according to the law, is if they did
Speaker 7: go on strike, then Ronald Reagan should have met their
Speaker 7: demands within five minutes. Five minutes they should have got
Speaker 7: their demands met because we need enough enough of those controllers.
Speaker 7: We need qualified people, we need people who need their
Speaker 7: who know their job. And I'm just standing up for
Speaker 7: the air traffic controllers all over this country in the world.
Speaker 7: They have a right to be heard. They have a
Speaker 7: right to have enough people. That's how I'm responding to
Speaker 7: listening to what you have been talking about since after
Speaker 7: nine o'clock. And I understand that they don't have a right,
Speaker 7: but they need a voice, and so I want to
Speaker 7: be their voice.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure they would very much appreciate hearing what
Speaker 2: you have to say. I don't know that that's the solution.
Speaker 2: But again, what do you do when the fighter problem
Speaker 2: wants to strike? Tina? What do you do?
Speaker 7: I've never heard of a fire department wanting to strike.
Speaker 9: Well, the reason they strike is different situation, Tina.
Speaker 2: The reason that you will strike is that the law
Speaker 2: says they're not allowed to strike people. They're not you know,
Speaker 2: automakers or or whatever. School teachers in Massachusetts cannot strike.
Speaker 7: That's a traffic control is a different situation. It's a
Speaker 7: very high sense, stressful job in a different category.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Tina, what but you got to do here.
Speaker 2: Can I make a suggestion, I would suggest that, and
Speaker 2: I mean this seriously, that if you really want to
Speaker 2: be the voice of this, call maybe either of your
Speaker 2: US senators tomorrow, Sheldon Whitehouse or Jack Read and express
Speaker 2: that to them and tell them to file legislation which
Speaker 2: will give the air traffic controllers the right to strike.
Speaker 2: That's that's the that's I think what you got to do.
Speaker 2: If you want to, you can wish something is going
Speaker 2: to happen, or you can take some action to try
Speaker 2: to make it happen. And I think I know you
Speaker 2: well enough that you're you're on the side of taking
Speaker 2: some action. So call one of your US senators and say,
Speaker 2: please file legislation on my you know, on your behalf,
Speaker 2: to allow the air traffic controllers the right to strike.
Speaker 5: Fair enough, Dan, Yeah, no, I think that.
Speaker 2: Someone's got to get the ball rolling. Why not beat Tina?
Speaker 7: Sure exactly, Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, look, look, all great advances in this
Speaker 2: country often start with the courage of one person. Remember
Speaker 2: Rosa Parks. She refused to sit on the back of
Speaker 2: the bus.
Speaker 7: And and I know this situation from what I could
Speaker 7: see didn't have anything to do with the air trophic controllers.
Speaker 7: I don't know how much of it was their responsibility.
Speaker 2: I can tell you this if the New York Times helicopter,
Speaker 2: if you read the New York Times tomorrow, or if
Speaker 2: you listen to my show earlier tonight, the New York
Speaker 2: Times has a report from the FAA that says that
Speaker 2: particular air traffic control tower was understaffed. They need they
Speaker 2: needed thirty people full time air traffic controllers to make
Speaker 2: that a safe airport, and all they had.
Speaker 7: Was nineteen And that's a bit, right, Dan, I'm agreeing,
Speaker 7: and I'm saying to.
Speaker 2: Agree with you too. Okay, great, thanks, thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Tabou was great to your voice.
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you, Okay, thanks.
Speaker 2: Talk later, bye bye. We'll take a break the news
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hour. We get only one
Speaker 2: line open. One things.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: That report of the New York Times is a great
Speaker 2: concern because you cannot have if both the FAA and
Speaker 2: the Controllers Union believe that they need thirty full time
Speaker 2: qualified air traffic controllers at Reagan National Airport, you can't
Speaker 2: do it with nineteen and this then was this was
Speaker 2: going to happen. It was just more of a question
Speaker 2: of when back to the phones were go going to
Speaker 2: go to Karen and Wisconsin. Karen next on nightside, Welcome.
Speaker 10: Hi Dan. Until I'm upset I haven't heard and I'm
Speaker 10: not always last night it wasn't on all the time,
Speaker 10: but doesn't anybody maybe brought up and I didn't hear it.
Speaker 10: But this is so reminiscent to me of the plane
Speaker 10: that went into the Potomac almost forty three years ago,
Speaker 10: right to the two weeks in January.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that last night. We re recorded
Speaker 2: it different different situation. That was a plane that took
Speaker 2: off and it had ice on the wings. It was
Speaker 2: the iced properly and it was leading National Reagan well
Speaker 2: it wasn't Reagan National that it was just National Airport
Speaker 2: and it it just it got off the ground, but
Speaker 2: it couldn't gain altitude. And yeah, that was There were
Speaker 2: several people who survived that that flight actually, and there
Speaker 2: were civilians who actually pulled people out of the water.
Speaker 2: So uh, yeah, that that's the one I thought about
Speaker 2: for sure. And also, yeah, when we when you when
Speaker 2: you focus on the the the the skaters, the young skaters,
Speaker 2: and their families and their coaches. Big plane crash back
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty one where the entire US skating team
Speaker 2: was going to compete in Europe, and the plane crashed
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety, nineteen sixty one, excuse me, nineteen sixty one,
Speaker 2: and everyone on board was killed. The plane crash in Belgium.
Speaker 2: So the little there's there's a couple of corollaries here,
Speaker 2: as they say, you thought, and I thought last night
Speaker 2: about ye January of nineteen eighty was it?
Speaker 10: Let's it was eighty two eighty two January fourteenth, almost
Speaker 10: two weeks. I didn't hear. I wouldn't have called, but
Speaker 10: I took that bridge to work every day, back and
Speaker 10: forth and when that point, and I just it was
Speaker 10: five years that I moved to Boston, and to see
Speaker 10: that happen, you know it, That is what it reminded me.
Speaker 2: In Boston, we have local an airport, which is obviously
Speaker 2: part of the city in East Boston, but National Airport
Speaker 2: is very close. You can leave National Airport and with
Speaker 2: some luck, you can be a capital within fifteen to
Speaker 2: twenty minutes.
Speaker 10: Depend I would sit there, and I would sit there
Speaker 10: and watch go down there and watch the planes come
Speaker 10: in because it was so much fun, you know, to
Speaker 10: watch the planes go right over your head. But this
Speaker 10: is just Dan, I just this isn't one one term
Speaker 10: presidents doing, but the whole country, just the infrastructure and
Speaker 10: things just seem to be kind of falling apart. And
Speaker 10: it can't be blamed on one, you know, one party,
Speaker 10: but like the trains, the train tracks, and there's just
Speaker 10: so much wrong. And why didn't we keep up better
Speaker 10: with things like that?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think I think that's an
Speaker 2: important issue not to lose sight of. And I think
Speaker 2: you've identified a really good issue tonight. I just do
Speaker 2: want to focus on the loss of those sixty.
Speaker 10: Sevens olds exactly. I'm not going to take it all
Speaker 10: on it just it just seems we should be keeping
Speaker 10: up better with things in our own li.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. Just roads and to that matter, thanks,
Speaker 2: I got run. We'll talk to you, appreciate, thank you,
Speaker 2: Happy New Year. It's still January, so I can wish.
Speaker 10: You happy to thank you.
Speaker 6: Dan.
Speaker 2: Let me go next to We're going to go here
Speaker 2: Pete and Revere. Pete, you were next time nights that
Speaker 2: welcome Hi, Dan, Okay, hear you perfectly, Pete, all right, got.
Speaker 11: Happy to know. I haven't talked to you a long time. Okay, well,
Speaker 11: all right, I heard the last half hour every they're
Speaker 11: going to talk about, so I'm not gonna go over it.
Speaker 11: Everything she said is correct. I want to go back
Speaker 11: to Reagan. It's ironic that the President and the the
Speaker 11: air part of the same name. But he was like
Speaker 11: a one man dog department himself. One of the first
Speaker 11: things he did, and I know you're younger, younger than me,
Speaker 11: but you'll remember, he made up labels of his name
Speaker 11: and put on White House stationary to save money. And
Speaker 11: that didn't affect anybody's life. I don't know if you
Speaker 11: remember that, all right, Okay, Well that's a frugal thing,
Speaker 11: but like I said, it didn't affect anybody, you know,
Speaker 11: physically or any other way. But as far as the
Speaker 11: inner traffic controllers, you know in Boston alonely had several
Speaker 11: near misses, and even the two wing tips did touch
Speaker 11: I think in the last month or so you heard that.
Speaker 11: I think was even broadcasted on your station. Yeah, well, Logan,
Speaker 11: let me say something about the control is that okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, before you go behold on. I just like to
Speaker 2: comment on what you said. I am concerned obviously when
Speaker 2: a couple of airplanes on the ground they touched their wings. Okay, absolutely,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't worry me as much as what happened
Speaker 2: last night because generally when when a couple of the
Speaker 2: planes are backing around or something and then and there's
Speaker 2: the wings are touched, no one gets hurt. Last night
Speaker 2: sixty full agreement.
Speaker 11: But I want to mention something else. It's another accident
Speaker 11: waiting to happen. There to be many, many more than
Speaker 11: what the sixties, so people that we lotted which should
Speaker 11: have never happened. And again that was due of due
Speaker 11: to enough controllers and they're working all the time in
Speaker 11: too many hours. That's the fact. My brother was a
Speaker 11: federal meat inspector. He passed away last year through age
Speaker 11: and orange to thank to Vietnam. But he told me
Speaker 11: many times that in the same vein when a meat
Speaker 11: inspector either retired or died, they the other inspected around.
Speaker 11: They're not to have areas would still in like they
Speaker 11: take on two or three hours in addition to their load.
Speaker 11: Now when the meet is not properly inspected. Number one
Speaker 11: aren't supposed to become dog food when you make mistakes
Speaker 11: with that? How many is that going to affect? How
Speaker 11: many people? Now, I'm just saying this is a reality
Speaker 11: with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 11: No, I'm just saying, but well, what is being done
Speaker 11: about that? That's my question? What is being done about that?
Speaker 11: I say it's an accident waiting to happen. I don't
Speaker 11: want to see it now. I don't eat it out
Speaker 11: of me, but that doesn't matter. I'm not invading. I'm
Speaker 11: just saying that's a very bad thing.
Speaker 2: You got it, Pete. You raised another good issue, and
Speaker 2: I thank you for it. We're just gonna I want
Speaker 2: to keep the focus tonight.
Speaker 11: No, I got you. I don't want to think how
Speaker 11: much time? Just want man. I have other things I
Speaker 11: could say, but I'm not going to say it tonight.
Speaker 11: All right, Just happen to know you again and see
Speaker 11: your friend Kenny. Give gives Kenny a handshake from me.
Speaker 11: I haven't seen him either. Four while, Okay, you call
Speaker 11: me any other night. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let's get one. We're in here, Joe and Belmore. Joe
Speaker 2: welcome next one night side Dan time.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 12: If he can't do it, no one can Dan I'm
Speaker 12: going to try to stick to a topic or a subject,
Speaker 12: because you know how I skip around. What do you think?
Speaker 2: I definitely want you to stick to the topic because
Speaker 2: it's an important night, Jeus.
Speaker 12: What do you think of the Russian couple of the
Speaker 12: World champions skaters who went down they had everything to
Speaker 12: live for?
Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody has everything to live for. The
Speaker 2: two young teenage skaters, their moms. I mean, just it's
Speaker 2: as well as the other you know, sixty one people
Speaker 2: that are involved, the military folks, their lives, their families'
Speaker 2: lives have been shattered. Everyone on that plane they had
Speaker 2: loved ones and you know, families and whether it was
Speaker 2: moms and dads or husbands or wives or children. Look,
Speaker 2: it's just, you know, just so sad, so sad, and
Speaker 2: so unnecessary.
Speaker 12: Dan, I have a fear of flying. What about it?
Speaker 12: Turbulence and lightning.
Speaker 2: Whenever you're up in a plane, Joe and you get
Speaker 2: a little lightning or turbulence, I feel the same way.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm ready to grab the rosary beads. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12: I haven't been on a plane since two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: Well, you haven't missed anything, because they haven't got any
Speaker 2: more comfortable since two thousand and five. The seats haven't
Speaker 2: gotten any bigger, the food hasn't gotten any better. Trust
Speaker 2: me on that. Okay, so you're a spot man in
Speaker 2: that regard.
Speaker 12: Thanks for taking my calls in God.
Speaker 2: Calling in Joe. We'll talk soon, okay, Thanks, Happy New Year.
Speaker 12: Thank to you, right back at you, all right, Thanks.
Speaker 2: Good night, take a break. I got one line open.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do my best to get Phil Barry Nonah
Speaker 2: Nonah in Hudson, New Hampshire, and Donnie in and if
Speaker 2: you want to take one, the only one line I
Speaker 2: got is for you. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. We're going to change topics at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2: We have a guest schedule. I think you're going to
Speaker 2: enjoy the topic. We're going to talk about people who
Speaker 2: are addicted to social media and the internet what can
Speaker 2: be done to allow them to shake that addiction. Back
Speaker 2: on Nightside after.
Speaker 1: This, Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window
Speaker 1: World Nightside Studios on w b Z News Radio.
Speaker 2: There we go, let's keep. We're going to get everybody
Speaker 2: in somehow someway. We'll see. Let's go to Nonah. No, Noah,
Speaker 2: it's Nonah. I hope with an n in Hudson, New Hampshire.
Speaker 5: Yes, the know the reason I can't pl my satellite
Speaker 5: radio game.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. I'm hoping I'm saving you
Speaker 2: some money.
Speaker 5: Nonah, welcome because I'm addicted to your show. God bless
Speaker 5: you for dealing with them a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much, And Bob.
Speaker 5: Bless all those families that were affected last night. And yes,
Speaker 5: the FAA is definitely under theft. And you know, I
Speaker 5: don't want to blame like the pilot, like the military guy,
Speaker 5: because maybe he freaked out. Should he have been at
Speaker 5: the same altitude, but should be fa the air Traffic
Speaker 5: Control has said follow him in. Probably not. Oh, we
Speaker 5: don't really know until like we know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get let's get all the evidence. And I
Speaker 2: think the President got a little ahead of himself today
Speaker 2: to be honest with you.
Speaker 13: But let's I think so true. I think so true
Speaker 13: because I went in too work late today because I
Speaker 13: was glued to the TV. Because you know, I just
Speaker 13: I just pray for all of.
Speaker 5: Those families that were affected. And once we know them,
Speaker 5: we know, we can't we can't jump to conclusions, right,
Speaker 5: we can't. We can't judge anybody. But maybe that pilot
Speaker 5: maybe he freaked out, Like maybe he just at the
Speaker 5: last minute freaked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you know, you can have iviusly people
Speaker 2: gonna have a nervous breakdown. But I bet that I
Speaker 2: think he was just flying and he was. He was.
Speaker 2: He was at three hundred and fifty feet. They're supposed
Speaker 2: to have separation. He was supposed to be no higher
Speaker 2: than two hundred feet and yep, I don't know if
Speaker 2: they find out that his altimeter was broken or whatever,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's I agree with you. Let's let's
Speaker 2: find out what the truth is and then we can
Speaker 2: we can talk. But tonight, I think it's a night
Speaker 2: to remember those were lost and to also pray for
Speaker 2: their family members that they can find peace.
Speaker 5: You know, those families, those kids, those moms, like.
Speaker 2: You know, is this your first time calling?
Speaker 5: No, this is my third. Well you told me like
Speaker 5: the first time I called it, that I have to
Speaker 5: cancel the light radio because I'm your show.
Speaker 2: Well you keep canceling and remember, if anybody tries to
Speaker 2: charge you for Nightside, you call me directly.
Speaker 5: Okay, God I love your show, and like I said,
Speaker 5: God bless you, because I hear some of your calls
Speaker 5: and sometimes I'm like, oh my god, I don't know
Speaker 5: how we how we I don't know how you get through.
Speaker 2: It, not at all. I love everybody who calls, whether
Speaker 2: they agree to disagree. Without them, I don't have a show.
Speaker 2: So that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 5: God bless you, Right back at you, New Year find
Speaker 5: out so happy New Year.
Speaker 2: I can't say that once we're over January, so I
Speaker 2: only got one one night I can say that. That's
Speaker 2: my rule of thumb. In February, it's no more happy
Speaker 2: New Year's. Thanks knowing to talk to you later. Bye,
Speaker 2: thank you you too. Good night, fill in Boston, fill
Speaker 2: your next one nights. I go right ahead. Good.
Speaker 14: I wasn't gonna call you for just the same reason
Speaker 14: you would. You mentioned earlier the seriousness of the failing
Speaker 14: of any But did you mentioned someone mentioned unions and
Speaker 14: didn't they strike back in the early seventies and expisidentally,
Speaker 14: I thought someone else grabbed my tail here. The Ragan
Speaker 14: Airport was named death the Reagan and he's the one
Speaker 14: that fired.
Speaker 2: All yeah he did, yeah, no, he said this was
Speaker 2: this was nineteen eighty one, I think or eighty two,
Speaker 2: and yeah, Reagan, Reagan, did you know air traffic controllers.
Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to strike. There's a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: reasons why you have a tremendous impact economy.
Speaker 14: Everybody Philly quickly, and it was Philly kind of good. No,
Speaker 14: I mean luckily, we ran pretty good.
Speaker 4: I don't want to well, I.
Speaker 2: Would think anyone that that anyone that got hired to
Speaker 2: be an air traffic controller, let us say in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty two, they're now working for forty two years there,
Speaker 2: long since retired.
Speaker 14: That's what I'm saying. So what do we have now?
Speaker 14: Now we've got the jew whatever, call a JV team
Speaker 14: whatever it is. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's see what happens. I don't want to
Speaker 2: prejudge it.
Speaker 14: No, I know, I know. I'm just saying. I know,
Speaker 14: but I you know, but you think one more time,
Speaker 14: for you think, isn't that airport closed us through the
Speaker 14: all the what white house in the pen that you
Speaker 14: mentioned Pentagon isn't really close to what the yes, all
Speaker 14: the big shots goals. We think that airport would have
Speaker 14: been run.
Speaker 3: By the best of the best.
Speaker 14: You know, I'm guessing I.
Speaker 2: Agree with you. I totally agree with you, man, I
Speaker 2: really do. I Phil, I got three more. I'm going
Speaker 2: to try to say none of them. We're going to
Speaker 2: get much time, but we'll give it a shot.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you very much, sir.
Speaker 2: I feel appreciate it very much. Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 2: try to buzz through you quickly, but we're changing topics.
Speaker 2: At eleven o'clock. Barry and Norwa, Barry, you got you
Speaker 2: got the micro red ahead.
Speaker 9: My Dan, it's books to a Barry. I want to
Speaker 9: bring up there's there's a TV series called The Air
Speaker 9: Crash Investigation or Air Emergency or may Day. It's in
Speaker 9: three different countries. It's been on for twenty four seasons,
Speaker 9: and they each episode they investigate a crash. Okay, and
Speaker 9: I want to say that if to respect the salute
Speaker 9: the people who investigate, the men and women who are
Speaker 9: the professional, it's very professional. They find out the cause
Speaker 9: of each accident and for that, from that they make
Speaker 9: more safety. Safety there's a lesson to be learned. If
Speaker 9: there's a silver lining, there's going to be some safety
Speaker 9: lesson that's learned. And the professional people who conduct these
Speaker 9: investigations are the best of the best.
Speaker 2: That's the National Transport I assume you're talking about the
Speaker 2: National Transportation Safety Board.
Speaker 9: Yes, person and the other two investigate from Boeing and
Speaker 9: from the their associated agencies, and they they're very, very
Speaker 9: very good at what they do, and they find out
Speaker 9: what's wrong, and they've helped to fix it, and they
Speaker 9: won't happen again. Whatever happens.
Speaker 2: Let us hope not Berry. Thank you much. I owe
Speaker 2: you a visit at the bookstore on top. We'll meet someday,
Speaker 2: I promise.
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you, Dan, I have a good day, and
Speaker 9: thank you for being my friend.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Donnie and Walpole. Donnie got room
Speaker 2: for you and Ed and marshiall go right ahead, Donnie.
Speaker 8: Dan, I just want to comment on the plane that
Speaker 8: back in the afi A flight.
Speaker 12: It was the ice.
Speaker 8: And then it sat on the taxiway.
Speaker 2: In a problem. It had a problem with ice. You correct,
Speaker 2: it sat on the taxi and they learned from that,
Speaker 2: and now when you're when you're on a plane, they'll
Speaker 2: de ice the plane three or four times until you
Speaker 2: get off the gate. They won't let it rebuild. And
Speaker 2: that's what happened exactly. And the plane was too heavy,
Speaker 2: it got off the ground a little bit and then
Speaker 2: it crashed right into that bridge.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And I can remember the island's name being Larry and
Speaker 8: they said they weren't going to naked and they didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And there was a guy who actually jumped in
Speaker 2: the river. I think his name was Lenny slot Neck.
Speaker 2: And I think Reagan recognized him at a State of
Speaker 2: the Union address as being really an unsung American hero.
Speaker 2: He saved people that day that he survived, that memory
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 8: He handed the rope to someone else, and he waited
Speaker 8: insurn yes, in his.
Speaker 2: His civilian clothes, his cold January day. Donnie, I gotta
Speaker 2: get one more and call more often and call earlier
Speaker 2: because I want to talk with you longer.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, that's good, Dan Grade, evening.
Speaker 2: You too, Donnie Ed. You're the last of the hour
Speaker 2: I got you in Yougrett ahead. Oh then, Happy New Year,
Speaker 2: sad night, sad night.
Speaker 4: You know what to uh at Logan for over thirty years,
Speaker 4: and I see the trouble over the years is just
Speaker 4: a congestion. Logan's gone from you know, being wide open
Speaker 4: space and plenty of room for planes to it's you're
Speaker 4: going to see all these planes getting clipped. That's just
Speaker 4: going to be on the news all the time. But
Speaker 4: that's not a big safety concern. But what I see
Speaker 4: in Washington.
Speaker 2: I got about thirty seconds left here, ED, So you
Speaker 2: got to be quitful.
Speaker 4: It's too congestion, too much congestion, and that's a big problem.
Speaker 4: And why are we doing a training mission in a
Speaker 4: congested air space? You know, you can do a training mission.
Speaker 4: It could be way way in inland.
Speaker 2: You know, up by Dallas Airport. They got plenty of
Speaker 2: room up by Dallas, west of the city.
Speaker 4: ED.
Speaker 2: I'm flat out of time. I can only ask you
Speaker 2: to call again, and to call a little earlier, and
Speaker 2: we can have a longer conversation, particularly knowing your experience. Okay,
Speaker 2: oh take care. Yeah, thanks, I appreciate it. When we
Speaker 2: come back on to talk about addicted to the Internet.
Speaker 2: It's not a good thing as a serious problem. And
Speaker 2: looking forward to talking with you