WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.759 They went down to Salt Fork State Park here in 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:06.120 Ohio and tried to recreate it, and they couldn't come 3 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.439 close to it. And these guys were PhDs. We literally 4 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:11.320 grew up with this thing. I mean, I've got so 5 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:15.160 many different stories. Some things happened back there, and then 6 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:19.640 the city completely redid that whole area land the area 7 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:22.559 that all this happened when I was growing up. Literally 8 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:26.239 took them two years to put the concrete towpath down 9 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:29.160 because things were happening. So a lot of my friends 10 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:31.879 that were police officers, and even the chief and police 11 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:34.039 at the time was telling me what was going on 12 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.479 down there, asking me if I knew how to handle it, 13 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:39.159 and I'm like, just ignore it. I mean, it's not 14 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:42.799 going to hurt you. It never did us. But I 15 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:44.719 kind of looked at it and look back now, it's 16 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:46.759 like it played with us, you know, like we were 17 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:47.520 as entertainment. 18 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:23.239 Let's just go ahead and get into it. Take us 19 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.480 back to where it all started. How did this whole 20 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:27.239 journey get started for you personally? 21 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.799 Well, I have to say that I got into it 22 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.840 by stories. This is before the whole in search of 23 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:40.400 Leonard Niemway with the Big Pot in the Patty film. 24 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.359 You know, obviously not before the Patty film, but before 25 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:48.680 it aired and became national news and all that. Where 26 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:53.879 I grew up, I spent every summer with my grandfather 27 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:58.680 in this area that this happened. And he had about 28 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:01.799 an acre and a half of a backyre, just a long, 29 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.319 narrow strip that went, you know, a good three four 30 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.680 hundred feet from his house to a back alley, and 31 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:12.520 beyond that was a farmer's field. To the left of 32 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:20.000 his house was nothing but wilderness and woods. Now, mind you, 33 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.199 this is in the city limits. So when I say 34 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.400 wilderness and woods, I don't mean deep forest. But you 35 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:27.400 could definitely spend a week down there and not be 36 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:31.719 seen by anybody. Yeah, but my parents, you know, my dad, 37 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.680 my uncles would tell us, you know, hey, don't go 38 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:38.360 down there after dark. They'd tell us stories that they had, 39 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.560 you know, that they grew up with a grassman. And 40 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:43.960 I'm thinking, yeah, okay, the grassman, you know whatever. And 41 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:48.039 I mean some of their stories were pretty intense, and 42 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:51.400 I wanted to believe it because I didn't think my 43 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.319 dad my uncle would mess with us the way that 44 00:02:54.400 --> 00:03:00.960 you know, that way, sure, But the biggest thing that 45 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.280 happened is me and my cousin. Like I said, we 46 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.560 spent every summer over there, and my uncle was a 47 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:10.080 Vietnam vet, so he showed us how to make lean 48 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:15.159 two's and cover our tracks, and you know, when we're 49 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.840 done camping down there, make it look like we weren't 50 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.120 down there at all. You know. We learned all that stuff, 51 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:24.560 and I loved it, and we went ahead and was 52 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:27.599 doing this for probably three years from the age of ten, 53 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.240 so I was thirteen. We spent every summer down there, 54 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.000 a week at a time, down in these woods, just 55 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.680 camping and fishing in the ear Canal and just being kids, 56 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:43.039 you know. And one day me and my cousin were 57 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:47.280 walking through a sand pit area and there was a 58 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:52.639 footprint that at quick guests, I would say eighteen to 59 00:03:52.719 --> 00:04:00.400 nineteen inches long and at least six inches deep. Now 60 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.159 it was soft ground, but me and my cousin, you'd 61 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.080 leave your shoe print, you know what I mean, it 62 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:09.199 wouldn't be a deep pot. Well, this was a barefoot 63 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:14.319 and we seen one, and then we about five four 64 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.680 or five feet further up we seemed like the heel 65 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.360 of another inprint, but it was going up rock at 66 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:22.399 that time, So just the heel was into the earth, 67 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:26.160 and we went to get back, got my uncle and 68 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:27.920 he came down there and looked at it and said, 69 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.399 I don't want you guys coming down here tonight. So 70 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.720 you know, we himed in the hall and you know, okay, 71 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:38.879 you know, well they went to bed and me and 72 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.040 my cousin are like, let's go catfishing. Now. It was 73 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.319 about it was it was about a forty Now, we 74 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.000 really weren't thinking about the footprint at that time. It 75 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:49.560 was about a forty five minute walk from my grandfather's 76 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:54.480 house down the path to the canal, and we're walking 77 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.079 down there and just you know, bsing and kicking rocks, 78 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:04.279 and about fifteen feet up in front of us, we 79 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:11.079 heard a like a grunt, but a deep, full of bass, 80 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:14.879 shake your bones style grunt. Now, mind you, we've been 81 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.360 growing up back here, so we knew noises back here. 82 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:22.319 Neither one of us ever heard that. We both stopped dead, 83 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:27.279 didn't see anything, but just got this heavy, Oh my god, 84 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:32.240 we're gonna die feeling well. We went back home and 85 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.160 we told my uncle about it, and he's like, you know, 86 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:36.879 I told you not to go back down here. So 87 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:39.879 he had called my father and the next night my 88 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:44.040 dad came over after work. I'll never forget this. He 89 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:47.800 brought my younger brother with him, and then another uncle 90 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.560 showed up. So now there's three adults and three kids. 91 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:56.160 I'm like twelve years old at the time, my cousin's thirteen, 92 00:05:56.319 --> 00:06:00.759 and my younger brother is nine. So we go back 93 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.360 there and we're thinking, this is where they're going to 94 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.959 try to scare us, you know what I mean, the 95 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.839 whole Yeah, this is where you know, Dad's going to 96 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:12.800 mess with us. So we go down there and we 97 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:14.759 kind of split up a little bit. You go down 98 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:18.920 about and maybe at half mile, and there's a fork 99 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.199 in this service road down there. Now, if you go 100 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:24.519 to the right of the fork, and twenty minutes you'll 101 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.240 be on a main street. If you go to the 102 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.839 left of the fork, you're walking the length of the canal. 103 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.040 You'll go down to what we call the footbridge, and 104 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:37.199 you know, just nothing but woods throughout. Okay, you got 105 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:39.839 about twenty minutes before you get the canal. But during 106 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:44.160 all that you're walking through woods and weeds and you know, 107 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:47.759 So we kind of split up a little bit, and 108 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:49.879 I end up with my uncle and my cousin ends 109 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:53.800 up with my dad and we're not away from each 110 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:59.040 other for more than maybe ten minutes, and my dad 111 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:03.600 and cousins starts creamond bloody murder, and we, you know, 112 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.160 go back and we find each other. We're in the weeds, 113 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:10.079 and you know, they're saying we've seen something, we've seen something, 114 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:12.800 and I'm looking at my cousin and he's kind of 115 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:14.800 got this grin on his face, so I'm like, Okay, 116 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.439 you didn't see nothing. This is all part of the well. 117 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.199 The neighborhood dog went down there with us. Now we're 118 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.120 on one side of the path and the past about 119 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.199 I don't know, seven eightpeet wide. It's just a service road, 120 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:32.240 and the dog's ruffing through the weeds on the other 121 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:35.879 side of the path, directly across from us, and we 122 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.639 hear this. This dog would yelp and bark, but always playful. 123 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:44.680 We heard this little dog's just barking like it was 124 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.920 going to tear something up. Then we heard a yelp, 125 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.800 and then we heard this dog trotting through the weeds 126 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:55.759 as fast as it can. It got about two steps 127 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.560 out of the weeds on the road, and this big 128 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:01.439 arm came out of the weeds and swung at this thing. 129 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:05.040 It hit the hindquarters of the dog. The dog went 130 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:08.600 like five feet in year, spun around, hit the ground, 131 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:11.959 and booked. I mean, it was gone. So we're all 132 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:17.160 sitting there like in amazement and shock. Well, this thing's 133 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:19.360 in the direct path to get back to my grandfather's. 134 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:21.839 It's on that side of the the service road. We're 135 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:25.199 on the other. So we're sitting there for a little bit. 136 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.279 We don't hear nothing. Well, we try to move through 137 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:34.120 the weeds to stay hidden, and we get up to 138 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.279 where about where the fork in the road's at, and 139 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.240 my other uncle's missing us. We can't find us, so 140 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.960 we're down to three adults or two adults and three kids. 141 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.840 So my dad and my uncles say, look, stay right here, 142 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.960 you see anything, you go straight down this road get 143 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:58.159 to Grandpa's. So my cousin comes up with this idea 144 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:02.919 that you know, how I can Africa or something animals surround, 145 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.120 you know, getting a circle so they see all sides. 146 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:07.480 So we do this in the fork of the road. Now, 147 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.960 mind you, we're thirteen, twelve and nine, okay, you know. 148 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.279 Sure, well, you know. 149 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.159 We're thinking we're pretty intelligent, right, now like we got 150 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.840 this thing planned out, you know, and the service road 151 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.679 is a great, big white gravel maybe the size of 152 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.919 a hardball, and you know for baseball. Yeah, so we 153 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:29.159 grabbed these rocks and we're thinking, you know, me and 154 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.559 my cousin both play baseball. We're both on traveling league, 155 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:33.879 so you know, we knew the game, we knew how 156 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:36.399 to throw. We're thinking we got this. You know, this 157 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.200 thing shows up, we just start plastering with rocks. Now 158 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:42.960 this is all before the story of us knowing Bigfoot 159 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:47.279 through rocks, you know. I mean, we're completely bigfoot dumb 160 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:52.120 at this point, you know. Yeah, And this thing comes 161 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:55.000 out from the side of the weeds that we were on, 162 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:59.639 about ten feet down the paths from this fork in 163 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.720 the road. So I mean, it's close, and it takes 164 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.559 two steps, and it's in the middle of the in 165 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:10.720 the middle of the service rode, and it just turns 166 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:14.120 its shoulders and head and looks at us. Now we're like, 167 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.200 each one of us kids are facing a direction down 168 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:21.559 the path. This thing is looking me dead in the eyes. 169 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.519 So me and my cousin are firing these rocks at 170 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:28.360 this thing. And it had to be the most epic 171 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:32.559 stupid maneuver I ever did. We could see these white 172 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:38.080 rocks hitting this thing. It didn't make a grunt, it 173 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:43.039 didn't make a an inclination. These things we're hitting it, 174 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:47.200 but we see the rocks hitting it. So it takes 175 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.440 two steps and now it's on the other side of 176 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:53.519 the path, you know, the service road, and it's where 177 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:57.519 we have to go. It hits that and there's a 178 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.879 big old I don't know if it's an ochre of berth, 179 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.559 but there was a big old tree right there, and 180 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.960 it like stood up against the tree and then vanished. 181 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:10.639 Now I'm not saying it disappeared, but it's almost like 182 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:13.919 the tree and that thing became one in the dark, 183 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.960 you know that you lost the silhouette of it. Yeah, 184 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:23.600 And we're screaming, and we just take off the other way, 185 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:25.159 like I said, you know, in a few minutes, you 186 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:28.120 hit a main road and that's where we ran. It 187 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.440 was the opposite direction, you know, it was to a 188 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.399 main road. We figured, you know, we'll get our dad's attentions. 189 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:39.440 We're running, you know, and eventually my dad and my 190 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:43.519 uncle come out. They can't find my uncle and they're like, okay, 191 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:47.919 we're just gonna walk down the main road back and 192 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.240 then make a few turns and get back to Grandpa's house. 193 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:51.879 So that's what we did. We stayed out of the woods. 194 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.600 We walked in the middle of a four lane road. 195 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.440 You know, we ain't going nowhere. 196 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:58.120 Near the woods. 197 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.240 So we get back to my grandfather's house and they 198 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:02.879 each grab a gun and they go down there and 199 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:08.000 they start looking for my other uncles. Well we heard 200 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.480 two gunshots. Now, remember I told you this is city limits. 201 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:16.720 So gunshots go off, you're committing a crime. And we 202 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:21.000 heard two gunshots go off. And we're sitting there waiting 203 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.639 for our dads to come back. And my dad comes 204 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:27.960 in with my uncle and his shirt is just shredded, 205 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.200 the whole front of it. And I guess this thing 206 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:36.200 wanted to get past my dad without killing my dad 207 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.639 more or less, and just kind of took his hand 208 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:43.600 and shoved him aside and booked, you know, pasted him. Now, 209 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.759 my dad's test was red, his shirt was ripped, no, 210 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.440 you know a little bit of like scratches. But I 211 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:50.159 don't know if that was for my dad following or 212 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.279 the actual thing pushing him. But but you know that 213 00:12:54.519 --> 00:13:00.320 that was the very first time that I realized they 214 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:05.559 weren't bs and us there's something back here. And I 215 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.159 stayed out of the woods for a whole six months, 216 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:12.000 and then after time we're back in the woods again. 217 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:17.200 But we literally grew up with knowing this thing was there. 218 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:21.320 We'd get pelted with rocks, you know, little rocks, nothing big, 219 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:25.039 you know, nothing that could hurt us. We'd go down 220 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:28.480 there to the camp like we'd hear I don't want 221 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.639 to say stick snapping. It sounded like trees breaking. But 222 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:34.720 we never seen anything for a long time after that. 223 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:41.960 But I mean that's sort of you know, excitement was 224 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.120 scarier than I'll get out when it was going on, 225 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.120 but after it was over, we kind of want to 226 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:51.679 do it again. Yeah, And I guess that went on 227 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:55.440 for like five years. I was twelve the first time 228 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.639 I actually seen it, But we had, like I said, 229 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:00.360 you know, we go down their caps and we get 230 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:04.879 peedded with rocks. I never heard no whoops or howls 231 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.759 or anything like that, but you get a feeling, you 232 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.279 know what I mean, like like you know you're being 233 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:18.240 watched too. There's there used to be wild dogs down there. 234 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:23.159 We found dead wild dogs, We found deer with their 235 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:30.480 heads written backwards. Yeah, it just I thought everyone had, 236 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:32.480 you know, knew this was there, and I would talk 237 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:39.720 to people about it. And the thing is, now that 238 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:45.600 whole area that was woods has been flooded on purpose 239 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:49.799 by the Parking Recreation Department of the State of Ohio. 240 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:55.000 So you think they did that to run these things 241 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:55.519 out of there. 242 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:58.759 I know they didn't. And they didn't run them out 243 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.679 of there. That I don't. I almost I almost think 244 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.600 this thing because it only happened from the months of 245 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.240 June to mid September, and then we'd have nothing happening 246 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:14.399 in the winter. Nothing would happen in the winter. But 247 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.120 the thing is, I was telling you before we went 248 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:22.120 on the air, they put a towpath in here. This 249 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:27.159 is right along the Erik Canal, and they it's probably 250 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:32.440 three city blocks long from the one road to the 251 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:36.120 other roads that the towpath comes out on. Now, three 252 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:40.000 quarters of that was in I call it the Grassland's home, 253 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:42.600 you know, the wooded area that we grew up in. 254 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.960 It took two years for that because when they had 255 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.120 their equipment down there. You know, there's always a path 256 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.720 there for a towpath, but they can't, you know, put 257 00:15:52.759 --> 00:16:00.159 pavement in there. They had a security company watching their 258 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.559 equipment down there, you know, after hours and at night. 259 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.200 A security company lasted three days and they quit. I 260 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:10.519 mean the entire company said we're not coming back taking 261 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:15.600 this account. So they had a couple off duty Acron 262 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:21.320 police officers go back there and do it. And I 263 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.759 guess the hydraulic lines of these big dozers and backos 264 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:31.720 were being ripped apart. Wow, not cut, but being pulled apart. 265 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:35.200 And the tracks have been looked like someone was trying 266 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:38.559 to pull the tracks off these bulldozers. They wouldn't get 267 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:41.080 pulled off, but they get messed up enough to wear 268 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:43.759 hours to fix it, you know, that that sort of thing. 269 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:48.960 And at the time, I was real good friends with 270 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:53.600 the chief of police for you know, Rakran, and he 271 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:57.879 said that they're just going to open up the pumps 272 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:02.399 or turn off the pumps that goes to Firestone and 273 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:08.119 let that flood. And to this day it's still flooded. 274 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.400 It took about six months for this whole thing to flood, 275 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:17.279 and they keep it flooded because it's right. It's the 276 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:19.960 pumps used to run the water from the canal into 277 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.480 the firestone plant to help call the machines so that 278 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.480 part of the canal would never freeze. But now that 279 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:31.480 they've done that, when they run the pumps into the canal, 280 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:33.920 the water alls start to receive because they run it 281 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.200 in for a couple weeks at a time and then 282 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:39.319 open the pumps back up to fill up, you know, 283 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.039 the whole wooded area. But if you look it up, 284 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:48.200 it's a blue herrings preserve for blue herrings to nest. 285 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.759 So they've kind of secured it state level or federally. 286 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:57.400 That part is federally on because the street that my 287 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:01.000 grandfather lived on, they have put a cup businesses up 288 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:06.799 and all that land is federally own. One of the 289 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:12.200 guys that run a dump truck company has his shop 290 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.039 back here, and he was telling me that he has 291 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:20.400 to rent his parking lot from the federal government, you know, 292 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:25.839 federal parks. Yeah, and if they have a camera, security 293 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:30.640 camera that the park Service can have access to. The 294 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.200 rent for his parking lots only one hundred dollars a month. 295 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:36.839 So there's something going on back there. 296 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:41.400 Clearly, and this is this isn't the first time I've 297 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.960 heard about this type of situation occurring either. My old 298 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.119 research area years ago whenever I was a boots on 299 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:52.480 the ground researcher. Our main research area was inside of 300 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:57.359 a national park here, and that park, they would go 301 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:03.559 into very specific areas where there wasn't a lot of traffic, 302 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:05.640 you know, not a lot of public traffic, but they 303 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:09.000 were areas that we frequent in a lot because there 304 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.720 was activity going on there, and they would shut them 305 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:17.200 down for months on end to do these different projects 306 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.920 or whatever. And they did all kinds of things. And 307 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:23.559 one of the things that they did was shut down 308 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:25.759 a huge trail system so they could go in and 309 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:28.000 pave it, and it took them months and months and 310 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:31.799 months to do. And another time they did like a 311 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.000 controlled burn of the area and got rid of all 312 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:37.599 the cedar trees in the area, which you know, was 313 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.680 kind of a big deal where we were researching that. 314 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.200 And they've just done projects like that all over the place, 315 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:47.440 it seems. I was even looking at a map the 316 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.839 other day right outside of town to a spot that 317 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.599 I was talking to a colleague about that I had 318 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:58.559 visited years and years ago, and I was looking at 319 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:01.640 it on you know, Google Maps recently to see what 320 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.400 it looked like now. And they've done the same thing there. 321 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:06.640 They've gone in and closed it down and paved it 322 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:08.880 and clear cut it and everything else, and it's just 323 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:11.559 awfully coincidental that that happens. 324 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:15.119 Well, well, okay, you actually were on the ground, you know, 325 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:17.680 boots on the ground, researcher. Let me ask you a question. 326 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.519 Have you ever heard of the Joe Ball camp site? 327 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:23.720 I think it's in Missouri. 328 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.680 It doesn't ring a bell, okay. 329 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:32.920 Well, one of the other podcasts that I used to 330 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:37.319 listen to and communicate it with, I can't think of 331 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:41.160 the guy's name, but he wrote a book actually as 332 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.920 a series of books out and I started listening to 333 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.480 him and I kind of got had to chuckle to 334 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:52.680 myself because of you know, I'm an Army ranger. Okay, 335 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.920 I was in the Army. I was with the seventy 336 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:01.599 fourth Ranger Regiment, and we did a lot of stuff 337 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:03.880 at Fort Lewis back when it was a military base 338 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:09.000 in Washington State. And they sat us down our third 339 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:12.759 night there and told us now that this came from 340 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:16.640 my CEO, and the sergeant major was right there. And 341 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:19.400 my sergeant major had no sense of humor, so I 342 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.720 can't see this being any type of joke. And he 343 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.880 was telling us that bigfoot are in the area. If 344 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:30.079 you see one, don't try to follow it, don't try 345 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.039 to engage it, don't try to harass it. It will 346 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:35.680 leave you alone. Well, I don't know if you know 347 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:40.000 anything about the military as far as I mean, we 348 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:43.559 have ranges that we shoot on, but when you're out 349 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:47.240 doing exercises inside the States, you're not given live AMMO. 350 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.759 If we fire live AMMO outside of a range area, 351 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:56.279 it wakes a lot of people up in DC. I mean, 352 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:59.559 it just there's no way you're going to get around it. 353 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:04.480 They plot all told us they're here. Don't don't try 354 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:08.319 to track them, don't try to engage them. And I mean, 355 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.480 you're talking to special forses, you know, and you're you're 356 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:15.440 a lot of the guys are like, yeah, right, Well 357 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:17.920 I've got history when I was growing up with these things, 358 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.839 you know what I mean, I ain't engaging it, you 359 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:24.000 know what I mean. There's there's you know. But anyway 360 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:28.119 back to this Joe Ball campsite or campground. Army Corps 361 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:31.319 engineers would shut it down every so often. But this 362 00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:33.519 guy wrote a book and I can't think of his name, 363 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:38.519 but he's an ex police officer and he's now in 364 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:42.000 the Bigfoot and dog Man and things like that. And 365 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:46.519 he wrote this book called the lake View Monster or 366 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:50.480 the lake View Man or something like that. It's based 367 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.519 around uh, I don't know if you know her, like 368 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:57.759 Doug Wee's a different form of Bigfoot, supposed to like 369 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:02.200 a base eater, Okay, based around one of those. And 370 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:06.680 it's killing these kids and people in this town. And 371 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:10.960 it keeps going back to the Joe Ball campsite or campground. Well, 372 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:13.880 the Joe Ball campground is real. I looked it up, 373 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.799 and the Army Corps engineers has shut it down due 374 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.680 to safety reasons, is all they would list it ass 375 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.279 But this guy said he was out there doing the 376 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.319 shoot for the book cover with his publicists. They were 377 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.599 just taking pictures of the woods, not expecting to have 378 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:38.599 anything happen. And on the interview I heard he said 379 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.519 he had a dog man standing in the woods that 380 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.160 he didn't even see until they looked at the picture. 381 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.319 But he won't post that picture, so I don't know 382 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:52.839 how credible it is. Right, But in the story, this 383 00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:59.119 w Sheriff is fighting this creature, you know, these creatures, 384 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.480 and he US military comes in. 385 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:04.880 To help him. 386 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:11.160 And it branched down into whole other stories of the 387 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.759 US military has a group with all the branches of 388 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:18.759 the military that select people to come in and take 389 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:24.720 out cryptids that have become a nuisance. And it kind 390 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:27.240 of made everything click. You know, my time at Fort 391 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:31.440 lewis growing up. This sort of thing happening, you know, 392 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:36.480 with them flooding this area. And this is just my 393 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:39.200 own opinion. I have nothing to base it on, but 394 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:42.680 I don't think it's literally literally like the Pentagon and 395 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:47.359 stuff keeping big put a secret. I think the organization 396 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:51.720 that has the most to lose is the forestry. 397 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:54.519 Industry because of the dollars. 398 00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:57.200 I mean, how much what do they harvest out of 399 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:01.039 the national force. I know they to pay bukou buck 400 00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:06.480 to take lumber out of there. And if these things 401 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:12.240