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<v Speaker 1>Said twenty five days to kick up for Utah football

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<v Speaker 1>right here on your Home of the U CSPN seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety two to one FM presented by Outlaw Distillery.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, what's going on? Drive time Tuesday afternoon. We're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at about thirteen minutes past the hour of two

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock ninety two degrees hot and sunny here in downtown

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<v Speaker 2>Salt Lake City, Utah, on this August Tuesday afternoon. And

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<v Speaker 2>as it is every single day, it's good to have

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<v Speaker 2>you along for the ride.

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<v Speaker 3>Spence Check, It's beyond the Mike, Porter.

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<v Speaker 2>Larsen, behind the Glass jam Pack Tuesday Show, good guest

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<v Speaker 2>list on tap while college Football Conversation. As we are

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<v Speaker 2>just over three weeks away from the start of the

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<v Speaker 2>season for the University of Utah, Week zero will take

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<v Speaker 2>place before that, and college football essentially is here as

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<v Speaker 2>your home of the Untons will have the best coverage

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<v Speaker 2>of Utah football all year long. As Camp Kyle rolls

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<v Speaker 2>along Week two, up on the Hill for the Utes

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<v Speaker 2>and down South, BYU continues to look for their quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about the ladies. With that, BYU picks up

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<v Speaker 2>another big time basketball commit yesterday, a four star kid

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<v Speaker 2>out of our state, local recruit.

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<v Speaker 3>So Kevin Young continues.

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<v Speaker 2>To build his staff and year one for Alex Jensen

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<v Speaker 2>of the Big Twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>What's that going to look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, a lot of college football, but we are

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<v Speaker 2>right on the precipice of college basketball as well. Offseason

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<v Speaker 2>NBA stuff pretty quiet as of now. That certainly could change,

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<v Speaker 2>as we saw not too long ago when the Jazz

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<v Speaker 2>decided to move on from the group that brought us

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<v Speaker 2>a really funny nine year stretch with Donovan, Mitchell and

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<v Speaker 2>Rudy Gobert. I think Donovan was traded in September, if

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<v Speaker 2>I remember correctly, and Bogdanovich was traded even after that.

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<v Speaker 2>So not a lot of NBA off season stuff, But

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<v Speaker 2>we will do a little NBA today. We got one

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<v Speaker 2>of our favorite NBA guests in studio, so a lot to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do on the program today.

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<v Speaker 2>Some contract news in the world of pro football that

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to. Williams gets a three year, thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>million dollar extension with the Rams. Teddy Bridgewater's on his

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<v Speaker 2>way to Tampa Bay. So little NFL offseason news on

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<v Speaker 2>the program today from a local standpoint. RSL is back

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<v Speaker 2>in action tomorrow. Midweek clash in the League's Cup. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's the League's Cup, Nations Cup, whatever. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of cups in that sport, and then back

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<v Speaker 2>to MLS play on Saturday in New York and Pablo

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<v Speaker 2>mash twenty joined us yesterday. We talked about the two

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<v Speaker 2>new editions. We'll kind of get to know them a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit on the program today. We'll see if they're

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<v Speaker 2>available either tomorrow or Saturday as reinforcements on the way

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<v Speaker 2>for Pablo mash twenty and ray Al salt Lake. So

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to do on the show. Good to have

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<v Speaker 2>you guys along for the ride. We'll start things off

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<v Speaker 2>today with Kyle Bona. Kyle bondagerra covers college football and

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<v Speaker 2>soccer for ESPN and he just released a podcast series

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<v Speaker 2>and I read the story that they attached to it

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<v Speaker 2>this morning and it is a fascinating story about Paul

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<v Speaker 2>wolf in the disappearance of his mother. Paul was the

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<v Speaker 2>head coach of Washington State for a number of years.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll do some college football. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Kyle about this project though. It's definitely worth your time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a pretty intriguing story. So Kyle will be our

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<v Speaker 2>first guest, Spencer Living, our buddy from BYU TV, will

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<v Speaker 2>stop by the latest on the quarterback battle down South.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do some Big twelve football, some college football with Spencer,

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<v Speaker 2>Dave bar two the College Football Matrix. We'll talk to

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<v Speaker 2>some college football and some Big twelve and some mutes

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<v Speaker 2>with Dave today and if you know Dave bar two,

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<v Speaker 2>we're about to get weird on a Tuesday afternoon because

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<v Speaker 2>you never know where our guy is. He could be

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<v Speaker 2>elk hunting, selling gummies, running one of his restaurants.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a fascinating dude, so we'll bring him in today.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's our weekly conversation with Richard Smith forty

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<v Speaker 2>years with.

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<v Speaker 3>The Jazz front office.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk some NBA offseason and the approach of the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA season is actually also on tap, Kyle Bondager, A,

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<v Speaker 2>Its all of you, the great listeners, and that guy

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<v Speaker 2>Porter Larson on a Tuesday afternoon. The headband Look. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a proponent of the headband look. Is this a new

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<v Speaker 2>thing for you?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, just tune into YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>I just forgot my hat at the studio and you

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<v Speaker 2>can watch this hippie, this dirty hippie produce my show today.

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<v Speaker 3>What's what's the motivation for the headband? Looked at it.

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<v Speaker 3>I just forgot the hat.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm if you're if you'll if you see me like

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<v Speaker 5>not here, probably wearing the headband because I have too

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<v Speaker 5>much hair usually have like a hat or I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>something else on didn't bring it. So yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 5>the headband. Sorry, Jim, Jim gear I guess wait.

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<v Speaker 2>A second, we have some breaking news.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Utah Jazz just traded for George Niang. Ooh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's big, that's blockbuster. The mini van comes home.

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<v Speaker 2>Some breaking news to start things off on a Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>Shams tweets out the Boston Celtics. There's our cheesy breaking

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<v Speaker 2>news sounder. Budget issues have forced us to use a

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<v Speaker 2>corny breaking news sounder. Accordion to Sham Sharati from ESPN,

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Celtics are trading George Niang and two future

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<v Speaker 2>second round picks to the Utah Jazz for R. J.

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<v Speaker 2>Lewis Junior. The Celtics ultimately are punting on this season.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a pivot year as Jason Tatum is recovering

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<v Speaker 2>from a torn achilles and George Dyang is coming home.

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<v Speaker 3>The mini van returns to Salt Lake City.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Shams, the salary goes into the John Collins

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<v Speaker 2>trade exception, and they also get two additional draft assets,

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<v Speaker 2>and the move allows the Celtics to have more salary

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<v Speaker 2>relief below the second apron. So the Jazz get George Niang,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a great guy but not a great basketball player,

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<v Speaker 2>and a couple more second round picks to add to

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<v Speaker 2>that treasure trove of draft assets that they have at

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<v Speaker 2>their disposal. Now the challenge is to turn those draft

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<v Speaker 2>picks into good basketball players.

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<v Speaker 3>Breaking news. There you go, there's your analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>So opening tip time on the program, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>bring in Kyle bond Gera Today, Top college football, Spencer Lytton,

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<v Speaker 2>Dave bar Two, Richard Smith. It's unexpected, breaking news that

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<v Speaker 2>George Nihang is coming home.

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<v Speaker 3>The minivan returns to Salt Lake City.

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<v Speaker 2>The Jazz had that trade exception with the John Collins situation,

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<v Speaker 2>so they'll absorb George's salary into that and then get

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of more second round picks to add to

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<v Speaker 3>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly not the way I plan on starting the show today,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's certainly not groundbreaking.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get Smithy's take on this coming up in.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a little bit, But yesterday was the release in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of college football of the Coaches Pool, of

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<v Speaker 2>the APE Coaches pol, the USA Today Coaches Poll. We

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this during cross Talk with Sean Today. As

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<v Speaker 2>it is early August, it is ranking season, its pole season,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pre season prognostication season. And a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>when we were debating the merit of this Coach's poll,

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<v Speaker 2>I texted a coach in state and I will leave

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<v Speaker 2>his name off air because I told him it would

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<v Speaker 2>be off the record, and I said, in all of

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<v Speaker 2>your years of being a head coach in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of college football, have you ever filled out this top

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five police He emphatically, he said, no, I always

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<v Speaker 2>delegate it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't really know what to make of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week, so six days from today, the AP pole

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<v Speaker 2>will come out, and at least the Apeopole, for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, involves media members that actually study these things,

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<v Speaker 2>media members that actually pay attention. Of course, the landscape

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<v Speaker 2>of college college football has changed quite a bit, with

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<v Speaker 2>most teams having roster changeover of forty to fifty sixty,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes more than that seventy percent Utah State with a

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<v Speaker 2>brand new cast. I mean, so many teams ultimately don't

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<v Speaker 2>look anything like they did the year before, and Utah

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of in that spot obviously, with a new

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback and a new offense coordinator and a grip of

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<v Speaker 3>Both sides of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact of the matter is the coaches aren't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily dialed into this thing, so it is fodder for conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>and it certainly is proof that college football is right

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<v Speaker 2>around the corner. So BYU at twenty three in the

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<v Speaker 2>AP pol, which I found somewhat interesting. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly indicative of the overall scope of the program Klonie

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<v Speaker 2>is built, and then the team actually being pretty stacked

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<v Speaker 2>in certain areas. I thought the rets left stuff might

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<v Speaker 2>more adversely affect the preseason opinion of BYU, and to

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<v Speaker 2>be fair, in some polls it has. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>is going to look like, you can go look at

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Brett McMurphy's top twenty five poll Joe Klatt has

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of variance because ultimately nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 2>As I say, every single year, the first three or

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<v Speaker 2>four games of the college football season for me observation,

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<v Speaker 2>not conclusion.

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<v Speaker 3>I need at least three or four games. Now. The tricky,

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<v Speaker 2>About college football is it is the ultimate sprint.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's what makes it as popular as it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Even at the NFL as it has expanded its calendar,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you get four or five more games and

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<v Speaker 2>pro football college football you got to hit the ground running.

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<v Speaker 3>So for Utah, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I think it'll be more applicable to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>analyze who they are after the non con is behind them,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's kind of a soft non con for the

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<v Speaker 2>Utes this year at the Rose Bowl against UCLA, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five days away home against cal Poly where cal Poly

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<v Speaker 2>receives a check in exchange for those poor kids get

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<v Speaker 2>to get their heads kicked in. Then on the road

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<v Speaker 2>at the Porter Larson Memorial at Wyoming. Are you still

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<v Speaker 2>planning on taking that road trip to Laramie to see

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<v Speaker 2>the Wyoming game?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely? Da God bless you.

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<v Speaker 2>At least it's early September, so you won't be freezing,

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully no, hopefully no Wyom fans throw human feces

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<v Speaker 3>It's a real thing that happens up there. I know

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<v Speaker 3>it has happened. Hopefully it happens consistently.

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<v Speaker 2>But with the utes, I think probably after the Texas

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<v Speaker 2>Tech game here in Salt Lake than on the road

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<v Speaker 2>to West Virginia. After those, you know, four or five

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<v Speaker 2>games are behind us, then we'll have a better idea

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<v Speaker 2>of exactly what sort of hand that we've been dealt,

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<v Speaker 2>because after that you run into a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>gauntlet Arizona State, the highest ranked Big twelve team here

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<v Speaker 2>in Sault Lake, on the road in Provo at BYU,

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<v Speaker 2>which is always tricky, and then you go to Boulder

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<v Speaker 2>to see Dion and the Colorado Buffs, who really aren't

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<v Speaker 2>getting near the amount of preseason buzz this year than

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<v Speaker 2>So for BYU, their conference schedule begins at Colorado after

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<v Speaker 2>buddy Spencer Lytton today from BYU TV, latest on the

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback battle down in Provo. Another big time basketball commit

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<v Speaker 2>Start things off on a Tuesday afternoon with one of

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Tuesday, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing great, Spence are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm well? So let's start with your new project.

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<v Speaker 2>And I recall hearing about this, but now as a

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<v Speaker 2>result of you know, I read the entire piece that

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<v Speaker 2>you and Adam did this morning. When I saw you

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Wolfe's mother, of course, Paul was the head coach

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<v Speaker 2>of Washington State for a number of years. Dolores Wolf

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<v Speaker 2>disappeared in July of nineteen seventy nine, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>quite a fascinating story that I'm not sure how many

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<v Speaker 2>the origin story kind of when you heard about this,

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<v Speaker 2>and then why you and Adam decided to do this

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<v Speaker 2>entire project.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, thanks for willing to chat about it. We're

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<v Speaker 4>really excited about the project. So I think the most

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<v Speaker 4>obvious place to start, just for your listeners is that

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<v Speaker 4>who Utah will will host its first home game this year.

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<v Speaker 4>So a little bit of a Utah youth connection for

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<v Speaker 4>football during during that weird season, and he received a

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<v Speaker 6>Paul Wolfe and it's it's something about his mother, and

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<v Speaker 6>so he's like, hey, this is kind of interesting. We

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<v Speaker 6>should we should look into this. And so the short

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<v Speaker 6>version is that when Paul.

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<v Speaker 4>Wolfe was was twelve years old.

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<v Speaker 6>He's the youngest of four children. One night, his mother disappeared,

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<v Speaker 6>never was seen or heard from again. Almost immediately, his

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<v Speaker 4>Both him and his other brother who was still living

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<v Speaker 4>she was never coming back. It emerged very quickly that

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<v Speaker 4>he was the primary suspect in her disappearance. But three

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<v Speaker 4>number of factors, you know, they weren't able to ever

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<v Speaker 4>prosecute him. He's never you know, never never went before

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<v Speaker 4>really impacted the trajectory of his life.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, right he moves out of his house and

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<v Speaker 6>his dad. He effectively lost both parents when this happens,

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<v Speaker 6>uncle who's had a crazy military career that we get

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<v Speaker 6>into as well. And then forty one years later, in

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<v Speaker 6>the summer of twenty twenty, a cold case detective in

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<v Speaker 6>the Bay area near where I live, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 6>kind of tipped off about another case and went down

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<v Speaker 6>this went down this rabbit hole and eventually determined that

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<v Speaker 6>Paul will'smother had been found just six weeks after she

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<v Speaker 6>went missing, but no one was able to identify her.

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<v Speaker 6>She had been in cemetery one county over for four decades,

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<v Speaker 6>and they were able to do DNA testing through Paul

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<v Speaker 4>As Jane does sixteen, was in fact his mother. It's

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<v Speaker 6>We wrote about it in twenty twenty twenty one for

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<v Speaker 6>there was a lot of just wild stuff that happened.

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<v Speaker 6>There's just too much to get into, but like it

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<v Speaker 6>was the most incredible story that Adam and.

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<v Speaker 7>I heard had ever worked on.

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<v Speaker 6>And so we published the story. It was very much

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<v Speaker 6>through the lens of Paul and this coach, it is

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<v Speaker 6>in the ESPN story, but there was so much more

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<v Speaker 6>to it that we couldn't get into in our story.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a story that we both felt deeply deserved

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<v Speaker 6>to be told more broadly to a wider audience interesting

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<v Speaker 6>trips of like not not sports fans specifically, and so ESPN,

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<v Speaker 6>with it, with its blessing, allowed us to pursue the

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<v Speaker 6>the podcast was released yesterday. It's called The Unforgotten. It's

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a gripping story.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the written portion that I read starts out

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<v Speaker 2>framed it was great because it was just one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things that the grips you to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>you want to read the entire thing. In March of

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five, Paul, who was eighteen, had been summoned to

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<v Speaker 2>a meeting to confront the suspect in his mother's murder,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you revealed that the suspect is his father.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can't imagine what that's like when you're eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>or not he's the one that actually is responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>the mother's disappearance. I mean it is written through the

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<v Speaker 2>lens of Paul and excited to listen to the pod,

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<v Speaker 2>But how would you say all of this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>shaped him? And you know, through the lens of what

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I think it's it's foundational and who he

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<v Speaker 6>You can't live through something as traumatic as that and

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<v Speaker 6>not having any impact to you, like to your war, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it started and I talked a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>About this with Paul over the years. You know, he

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<v Speaker 6>moved in with his uncle and aunt who I mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 6>this guy who was a Vietnam that a really interesting

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<v Speaker 6>guy who we have a whole episode devoted to, Like

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<v Speaker 6>his military career is just crazy. That's episode four us

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<v Speaker 6>so look forward to that. But he was like, he

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<v Speaker 6>was a guy who was very involved in the community

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<v Speaker 6>as a coach, like coach little league baseball, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>youth softball, was involved in slow pitch softball recreationally, like

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<v Speaker 6>just like coached all his kids in all their sports.

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<v Speaker 6>Was you know, he he estimated that he you know,

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<v Speaker 6>coached maybe five thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>Kids over the course of his life in this community.

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<v Speaker 6>And being raised by someone like that after you know,

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<v Speaker 6>after the separation of his immediate family, the guy kind

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<v Speaker 6>of stepped in as his protector at a time when

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<v Speaker 6>he really needed it. Right, those are foundational years for anyone, right,

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<v Speaker 6>but for someone who's twelve and goes through what he

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>He treated Paul like a son who was a better

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<v Speaker 4>I think he heavitated towards coaching and being around the

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<v Speaker 4>team and having that camaraderie. And then I think what

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<v Speaker 4>about it, is like, look, he's very he feels like

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<v Speaker 4>he can really relate to a lot of what these

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<v Speaker 4>football is very important, right, That's why they're all there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a big part of everyone's life who's involved in

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<v Speaker 4>these high level teams. But there's other stuff going on

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<v Speaker 4>in everyone's life, and it's tough at times, right, And

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<v Speaker 4>so he's very sympathetic to family struggles and outside of like,

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<v Speaker 6>And so I think all of those elements that he

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the well, several interesting portions of this,

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<v Speaker 2>But the connection about his mother's body having been found

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<v Speaker 2>was made by a lady named Stacy Sherman who was

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<v Speaker 2>looking for additional victims of the Golden State Killer, a

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<v Speaker 2>man named Joseph James DeAngelo, who was arrested in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen on eight counts of murder. Were there, ever, any

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<v Speaker 2>other suspects outside of Carl Paul's father or did this

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<v Speaker 6>and we did extensive interviews with the investigator at the time,

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<v Speaker 6>the district training at the time, lots of family members,

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<v Speaker 6>like many many hours like kind of looking into that possibility,

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<v Speaker 6>and like everyone knew, the community knew, the family knew,

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<v Speaker 6>did it. But at that time it was just, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>at that point in time, Like there was physical evidence

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<v Speaker 6>tied to it. There was blood on a blanket, there

427
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<v Speaker 6>was like her missing earring was found in the trunk,

428
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<v Speaker 6>there was like enough there. But the DA and we

429
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<v Speaker 6>discussed this with him fairly recently, like it was a

430
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<v Speaker 6>lot of circumstantial stuff, and so they made the decision

431
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<v Speaker 6>at a certain point to like, well, let's keep looking

432
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<v Speaker 6>for the body and hopefully we find it. And then

433
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<v Speaker 6>once we have the body, it's a slam dunk, but

434
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<v Speaker 6>without it, we think he'll probably walk. And so what

435
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<v Speaker 6>actually happens is those six years go by with no arrest,

436
00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:21.240
<v Speaker 6>and so finally the family is fed up and so

437
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<v Speaker 6>they push They pushed the envelope a little bit and

438
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<v Speaker 6>take the case to the Attorney general in the state

439
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<v Speaker 6>of California, who looks at the evidence is like, yeah,

440
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<v Speaker 6>there's enough to year to pursue a murder charge. We'll

441
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<v Speaker 6>go ahead and handle it if the local DA doesn't

442
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<v Speaker 6>want to. So at that point Yolo County, which is

443
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<v Speaker 6>north of California outside of Sacramento, it says, okay, they

444
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<v Speaker 6>didn't want to be bigfooted by the Attorney General's office

445
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<v Speaker 6>and kind of relents and says, okay, we'll prosecute the case.

446
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<v Speaker 6>So the fire is eventually arrested and there's you know,

447
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<v Speaker 6>weeks of you know, evidentiary hearings in front of a

448
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<v Speaker 6>judge to determine if the case could go to trial.

449
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<v Speaker 6>And what the judge ruled is that because they took

450
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<v Speaker 6>six years to charge him with murder, they violated his

451
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<v Speaker 6>right to a speedy trial and therefore the case could

452
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<v Speaker 6>not proceed. So it wasn't anything about the evidence, it

453
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<v Speaker 6>wasn't anything about he wasn't proved innocent.

454
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<v Speaker 8>It was really just.

455
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<v Speaker 6>A technicality that let him walk and that's why he

456
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<v Speaker 6>never never faced justice.

457
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<v Speaker 2>One portion also alludes to the fact that Carl Paul's

458
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<v Speaker 2>father tried to come back into his life later on,

459
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<v Speaker 2>when Paul was a college football player and a coach.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Did that connection ever manifest anything lasting. Was Paul ever

461
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<v Speaker 2>open to trying to have a relationship with his father

462
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<v Speaker 2>when he tried to come back into his life.

463
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<v Speaker 6>No, So like the last time they ever they ever

464
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<v Speaker 6>met or they ever spoken person was in nineteen I believe,

465
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<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty eight. And so Paul is a player at

466
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<v Speaker 6>Washington State and it might be in the year's rock,

467
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<v Speaker 6>but that the story is the same, Like did they

468
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<v Speaker 6>had played Ucla? Ucla was the number one.

469
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<v Speaker 4>Team in the country at the time. Washington State was

470
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<v Speaker 4>a middle of the team went to the Rose Bolt and

471
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:04.000
<v Speaker 4>beat Ecla. Upset the number one team in the country.

472
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<v Speaker 4>Big deal, right obviously for Paul, for the team, all

473
00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:08.200
<v Speaker 4>of that, And outside the locker room.

474
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:09.920
<v Speaker 6>After the game, his dad was there.

475
00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:11.000
<v Speaker 4>He had come to the game.

476
00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.119
<v Speaker 6>He wanted to see him, and so Paul, you know,

477
00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:16.039
<v Speaker 6>gave him a couple of minutes and saiday, it's probably

478
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<v Speaker 6>not a good idea for you to be here. A

479
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.079
<v Speaker 6>lot of his you know, friends and family were there,

480
00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:22.240
<v Speaker 6>and he was persented Mangrad around the family.

481
00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:25.000
<v Speaker 4>It was like, basically, you need to leave, and he's like, well,

482
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:26.119
<v Speaker 4>I want to have more to do with you in

483
00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:27.720
<v Speaker 4>your life, and Paul's like, look and tell you, tell

484
00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.000
<v Speaker 4>me more about what happened to my mother. We're not

485
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<v Speaker 4>going to have a relationship. And that was the last

486
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:34.119
<v Speaker 4>time they ever saw each other in person. There was

487
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:36.480
<v Speaker 4>one more phone call to following spring between Paul and

488
00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:38.519
<v Speaker 4>his father about hey, like kind of one last chance

489
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<v Speaker 4>to try to salvage the relationship from his father's perspective,

490
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:44.079
<v Speaker 4>but you know, they never talked again after that, so

491
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<v Speaker 4>it was it was less several decades of the man's

492
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.079
<v Speaker 4>life and Paul had no contact with him.

493
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<v Speaker 2>You referenced the uncle who does manifest himself throughout the

494
00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:58.200
<v Speaker 2>written portion of what I've read here as a very

495
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<v Speaker 2>very interesting, interesting I Slick was his nickname, and you know,

496
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:08.240
<v Speaker 2>he and others were pretty hell bent on making sure

497
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:11.599
<v Speaker 2>that Karl did not enjoy his existence at all, even

498
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<v Speaker 2>while he was a free man. Can you elaborate on

499
00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.799
<v Speaker 2>some of the things that they did to him to

500
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<v Speaker 2>just dry Yeah.

501
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, absolutely, And this is some of my favorite part

502
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<v Speaker 6>of the of the story. And we have got a

503
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<v Speaker 6>couple of episodes devoted to this stuff. So episode three

504
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:25.880
<v Speaker 6>will be basically all the all the stuff they did

505
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:27.880
<v Speaker 6>to this man crazy and drive him out of town.

506
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<v Speaker 6>And the fourth episode is basically a you know, we

507
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.039
<v Speaker 6>profile Slick and he's just incredible. We spent some time

508
00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:36.440
<v Speaker 6>with him at his apartment. He's telling us wild stories.

509
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<v Speaker 6>But so anyways, they're basically the family that the lorf

510
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:42.759
<v Speaker 6>had a large Portuguese family who all lived in the community.

511
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<v Speaker 6>Carl had no family in the area, so he was

512
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<v Speaker 6>surrounded by her family in this small town outside Sacramento.

513
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<v Speaker 6>And after she went missing, they I mean, they made

514
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<v Speaker 6>his life a living hell. I mean they would cut

515
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<v Speaker 6>off his power.

516
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.759
<v Speaker 4>They would write like murder on his garage, on his

517
00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:01.000
<v Speaker 4>garage door, and animal blood. They would throat dead animal

518
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.880
<v Speaker 4>carcasses on his on his lawn of his property. They

519
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:06.319
<v Speaker 4>would chase him out of grocery stores, they would stalk

520
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:08.799
<v Speaker 4>him around town. At one point there was a jar

521
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:13.119
<v Speaker 4>of urine that they threw through his living room window

522
00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 4>into his into his house. I mean, they really they

523
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:19.359
<v Speaker 4>really pushed the envelope, stopping short of physical violence. Certainly

524
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 4>a lot of it would have, you know, been illegal

525
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:22.720
<v Speaker 4>in its own right, or.

526
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.039
<v Speaker 6>What they were doing just intimidating this man. But again,

527
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:28.519
<v Speaker 6>like everyone knew he was responsible for her disappearance and

528
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.160
<v Speaker 6>likely her murder at that time. So the police in

529
00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.279
<v Speaker 6>town basically looked the other way and let them kind

530
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:35.440
<v Speaker 6>of have their way with this guy, because you know,

531
00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:37.759
<v Speaker 6>they felt, you know, like the police in the small

532
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.039
<v Speaker 6>town felt like this guy should face justice, and if

533
00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:41.480
<v Speaker 6>this is all they're going to be able to do,

534
00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:43.440
<v Speaker 6>then they were kind of happy to look look the

535
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<v Speaker 6>other way. And then this guy slicked the uncle of

536
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:50.000
<v Speaker 6>Doris is Doris's brother, who they had a really tight relationship.

537
00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:51.240
<v Speaker 4>Then we get into that in the pod.

538
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:55.519
<v Speaker 6>He was someone who before the Vietnam War had really

539
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.440
<v Speaker 6>broken out into a full scale war, was in the

540
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<v Speaker 6>one hundred and first Airborne did Theysion of the Army

541
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:05.680
<v Speaker 6>and had been parachuting in under the cover of darkness,

542
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 6>you know, assassinating enemy years before the war had broken out.

543
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:14.960
<v Speaker 6>He was killing people with his bare hands. This is

544
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.599
<v Speaker 6>I guess maybe a little violent disclaimer here, Like there

545
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.079
<v Speaker 6>was like a lot of stuff that was really graphic

546
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:22.839
<v Speaker 6>that he described with us, and we get into that

547
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:24.680
<v Speaker 6>on the pod. So here's a guy who was responsible

548
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:26.279
<v Speaker 6>for a lot of death on his own as a

549
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:28.680
<v Speaker 6>member of the as a member of the military.

550
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:29.359
<v Speaker 4>And he did that.

551
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 6>He did all this like in like he was conditioned

552
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:33.240
<v Speaker 6>to believe it's in service of the country.

553
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:33.359
<v Speaker 7>Right.

554
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<v Speaker 6>You can understand this is the fifties, right, that's that's

555
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:38.319
<v Speaker 6>like what he was assigned to do, right, And so

556
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 6>he executed the cast that he was told to do,

557
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.920
<v Speaker 6>but still took a real toll on him. And what

558
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:44.839
<v Speaker 6>he told us is that or he told his son,

559
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:46.799
<v Speaker 6>is that he would have to get work himself into

560
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.119
<v Speaker 6>a frenzy to be able to do these, like these

561
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:51.720
<v Speaker 6>acts for the military. He would have to He told

562
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:54.279
<v Speaker 6>him that he had to pretend like these people were

563
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:56.640
<v Speaker 6>harming his sister, and then he would get he would

564
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<v Speaker 6>get into a state of mind where he's able to

565
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.279
<v Speaker 6>kind of act in the way that they asked too.

566
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.240
<v Speaker 6>And then he gets back to the United States after

567
00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:04.480
<v Speaker 6>going through all of this, and then his sister really

568
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:08.039
<v Speaker 6>is taking from his life. He knows who's responsible for

569
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.519
<v Speaker 6>doing it, and showed to had you know, had to

570
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 6>show some restraint.

571
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:13.079
<v Speaker 4>And it was tough because he he.

572
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 6>Told us, and this is all laid out in the interview,

573
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.160
<v Speaker 6>is like he thought about, you know, exacting revenge on

574
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.240
<v Speaker 6>him and told a few graphic stories about plans they

575
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 6>had to to torture Carl wolf and get some answers

576
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.880
<v Speaker 6>out of him. He decides ultimately not to go through

577
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 6>that because he made the choice to raise Paul Wolfe

578
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.519
<v Speaker 6>and his brother. It was a real kind of inflection

579
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.799
<v Speaker 6>point in all of their lives. But it was like morally,

580
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.319
<v Speaker 6>he always he felt like he was kind of sealed.

581
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.319
<v Speaker 6>He religious guy, and kind of what's done is done.

582
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.119
<v Speaker 6>What's one more? It won't affect me, you know, ultimately, right,

583
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.000
<v Speaker 6>It's kind of where his mindset was so really fascinating characters,

584
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:50.000
<v Speaker 6>a lot of really good storytellers throughout the family. And

585
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.359
<v Speaker 6>I think that's the podcast medium was really the perfect

586
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.119
<v Speaker 6>way to text acute this story.

587
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 3>Last thing on this, Kyle.

588
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Then we'll do a couple of other things for us

589
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>that you lose, As if losing your mother allegedly at

590
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.519
<v Speaker 2>the hands of your father as a young man wasn't

591
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.839
<v Speaker 2>enough of a tragedy to handle throughout one's life. Paul

592
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Wolfe was handed another very, very tough blow as his

593
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 2>wife Tammy, in nineteen ninety seven, was diagnosed with a

594
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>brain tumor and was given three to five years to live,

595
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>and she later on passed in March of two thousand

596
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.359
<v Speaker 2>and two. I always find if I always find it

597
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 2>interesting when you hear stories behind people that you only

598
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.279
<v Speaker 2>know of as like a coach or a player or

599
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.400
<v Speaker 2>someone with some sort of notoriety. I mean, I don't

600
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:36.160
<v Speaker 2>know that I really have a question, but this is

601
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.079
<v Speaker 2>just another piece of the Paul Wolf puzzle that I

602
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>think deserves to be talked about.

603
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 6>You know, you know, he's really like I think, because

604
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.759
<v Speaker 6>he had such a high profile stint at Washington State

605
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.119
<v Speaker 6>that did not go well, right, They had the record,

606
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 6>His record there was not good. It was historically bad

607
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.599
<v Speaker 6>in fact, but I think like he was so hardened

608
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.400
<v Speaker 6>by these scenes that he had gone through his life

609
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 6>that just the fact that he was able to become

610
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.400
<v Speaker 6>a head coach at Easter Washington. It was the head

611
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.039
<v Speaker 6>coach at his own alma mater, where he tried to

612
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 6>clean up a mess. I mean, he certainly had the

613
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:05.559
<v Speaker 6>program in much better shape to hand off to my

614
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 6>bleach than when he inherited it from Bildoba. It was

615
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 6>just kind of in shambles when.

616
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 4>He got there. They didn't really have a chance. But

617
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of people just formulated their opinion

618
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 4>based on those years and the win loss right, and

619
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:17.640
<v Speaker 4>you didn't hear about what.

620
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:21.119
<v Speaker 6>This guy had had gone through getting to that point, right,

621
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 6>And so I gained a ton of respect for Paul

622
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 6>over the last several years getting to know him and

623
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 6>learning about him and his family. They have, everything they

624
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.680
<v Speaker 6>went through and how they banded together. The story is

625
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:33.799
<v Speaker 6>really it's just it's a true crime story. It's a

626
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.079
<v Speaker 6>sort of search for a missing woman. But you know,

627
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 6>I've been telling people it's a story about a family

628
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.119
<v Speaker 6>and like this family bond that was unbreakable in many ways,

629
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 6>just the ties that they have, the last is over

630
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:49.039
<v Speaker 6>several decades, all unified behind like this single cause is

631
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.160
<v Speaker 6>really impressive. And then for Paul to progress through all

632
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 6>of that and be very successful, like the Winds went

633
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:57.079
<v Speaker 6>there at Washington State, but he progressed through. He was on,

634
00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:58.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, hard about stuff with the Niners when they

635
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.359
<v Speaker 6>went to the Super Bowl around in college. And now

636
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.519
<v Speaker 6>he's back in the headshair at Kyle Poly. You're trying

637
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.119
<v Speaker 6>to resurrect that program as a head coach once again.

638
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<v Speaker 6>So I'm glad he's got another.

639
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<v Speaker 4>Opportunity to try to make the best of a of

640
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<v Speaker 4>a cool situation down there at Cupola.

641
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<v Speaker 3>It's the best way for people to find the pod. Kyle.

642
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so it just called The Unforgotten Season three, Finding

643
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<v Speaker 6>the Worst Wolf. It's anywhere you know, It's on all

644
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<v Speaker 6>the podcast platforms, so anyone who's who's into the podcast

645
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<v Speaker 6>scene should have no trouble finding it. I've tweeted a

646
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<v Speaker 6>little bit about it, kind of broke out of my

647
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<v Speaker 6>Twitter hibernation to promote it a bit. So they just

648
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<v Speaker 6>want to find me on Twitter. He can easily navigate.

649
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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, The Unforgotten Finding the Worst Wolf. Any googling,

650
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<v Speaker 6>any searching, should should be pretty easy to Fine.

651
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<v Speaker 3>There you go.

652
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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's move over to the Coach's bull that

653
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.440
<v Speaker 2>was released yesterday. My question is how much stock should

654
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<v Speaker 2>anybody put into this? How serious of an endeavor is

655
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:52.960
<v Speaker 2>this for any college football coach?

656
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

657
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.920
<v Speaker 6>Deeply, like deeply unseerious, Like if if you're like, if

658
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<v Speaker 6>there's twenty five teams ranked, or forget how many actually

659
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 6>voting members there are, like how many actual coaches voted?

660
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.160
<v Speaker 6>Like the percentage is very low. It's a lot of sids,

661
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 6>like staffers, assistance, those sorts putting it together, and a

662
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.519
<v Speaker 6>lot of them are just looking at way too early

663
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<v Speaker 6>lists and using that as a starting point, making a

664
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 6>couple of adjustments just so it's not the same. Right,

665
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 6>this is like these people do not take this seriously.

666
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.000
<v Speaker 6>That being said, I love this stuff, like I love

667
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:23.599
<v Speaker 6>the scene where it starts. I think it's just like

668
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 6>part of the part of the tradition of college.

669
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:27.559
<v Speaker 4>Football are a right, let's let's se where it moves.

670
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 6>And but it's like at the end of the year

671
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 6>and it's like nowhere near right, It's always going to

672
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 6>be a lot different, I think in like in this

673
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.519
<v Speaker 6>era too, it's so much harder to predict it. College

674
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 6>wole has always been hard to kind of project, what,

675
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, a top twenty five, But now with all

676
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 6>the transfer stuff, no one knows anything. No one's ever

677
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.160
<v Speaker 6>known anything. But now it's it's really thrown, you know,

678
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.599
<v Speaker 6>your blind pulded throwing darts here. But you know it's good.

679
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 6>It's a good talking piece and sets expectations and storylines.

680
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.400
<v Speaker 6>It's always kind of evolved from where those rankings are

681
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:55.839
<v Speaker 6>at the beginning of the year a few.

682
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Years ago, because the conversation that you and I are

683
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>having on air now often you know, kind of transpires

684
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.920
<v Speaker 2>where talking heads wonder whether or not any coach actually

685
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.400
<v Speaker 2>takes this endeavor seriously or if they even fill out

686
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.119
<v Speaker 2>their polls. So I texted an in state coach a

687
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:13.799
<v Speaker 2>few years ago, and I told him it would be

688
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:15.880
<v Speaker 2>off the record. So I've never brought his name on air,

689
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 2>and I said, have you ever done this before?

690
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:18.960
<v Speaker 3>And if so, how serious do you take it? He said,

691
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.759
<v Speaker 3>I haven't done it once.

692
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 2>You have you had any conversations with coaches about that dynamic,

693
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>whether or not they even do the thing?

694
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I have.

695
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 6>And so I talked with David sew when he was

696
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<v Speaker 6>at Stanford. I was around them quite a bit in

697
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 6>his early years. He actually did fill it out for

698
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.160
<v Speaker 6>one year, and he's like, I felt like, you know,

699
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<v Speaker 6>if it's called the coach's poll, like he's felt like

700
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<v Speaker 6>in an obligation to do it himself. But then he

701
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<v Speaker 6>did it for one year and realized like what an

702
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.519
<v Speaker 6>exercise and futility it was, and so he stopped, like

703
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 6>he stopped participating in Stanford, stopped participating after his one season.

704
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 6>He's like, look, it's called the coach's pull. It should

705
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<v Speaker 6>be the coaches. But now that I've done it, I

706
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.559
<v Speaker 6>realized it's I don't have time for this to do it,

707
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<v Speaker 6>like spend the time to really do it correctly. So

708
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<v Speaker 6>we're just not going to participate.

709
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 4>He's the only one I've ever.

710
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.599
<v Speaker 6>Talked to who admitted to actually doing it themselves. Like

711
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 6>no one else I've ever talked to has been upfront

712
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 6>and said, yeah, you know, you know, I do it

713
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.640
<v Speaker 6>each week up and down. I think some of the

714
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<v Speaker 6>coaches probably have like who do you want to be

715
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<v Speaker 6>number one? Who's your top five? And they have their

716
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.000
<v Speaker 6>staffer whoever is still out the rest there's like some

717
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<v Speaker 6>I think that involvement is like somewhat common, but let's

718
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<v Speaker 6>certainly not all the way through.

719
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>So the main takeaway here locally is that Jake Rretz

720
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>laugh departs for Tulane, yet Byu still cracks that top

721
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<v Speaker 2>twenty five.

722
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:34.839
<v Speaker 3>They come in at number twenty three.

723
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>We still don't know who's going to start under center McKay, Hillstead,

724
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Tracy Borget and Bear Bachmeyer the three battling. So my

725
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>two part question is your thoughts on Byu actually cracking

726
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.039
<v Speaker 2>the top twenty five and if Jake stays, where do

727
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<v Speaker 2>you think they land.

728
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's the good. So I think, like the fact

729
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:54.599
<v Speaker 4>that they're in the top twenty five, I think.

730
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.319
<v Speaker 6>It's probably a lot of this is so based on

731
00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 6>where you did, what you did last year, independent of

732
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.000
<v Speaker 6>your way roster looks right, like right, So, I think

733
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.160
<v Speaker 6>because when they went eleven games last year, you were

734
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.039
<v Speaker 6>you're always going to get a shot to start in

735
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.840
<v Speaker 6>the top twenty five, regardless of what happened with Retslow.

736
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 6>Obviously that's they end up in twenty three eight with him,

737
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, probably top fifteen, I would imagine, and some

738
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 6>some people punished for for not having a returning quarterback.

739
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.679
<v Speaker 6>Of course, you know, is it fair? Yeah, Like I

740
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 6>look at it, I haven't actually pulled up right now.

741
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 6>I kind of thought Texas Tech would be a little higher.

742
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm actually surprised that you are. And I didn't see

743
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.760
<v Speaker 6>where the Big twelve preseason predictions were. Like with all

744
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.320
<v Speaker 6>the money that Texas Tech invested in its program, I.

745
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 4>Kind of thought that would be a little higher, not

746
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:36.039
<v Speaker 4>that I'm looking at now.

747
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.400
<v Speaker 6>But again, like it's just there's no rhyme or reason

748
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<v Speaker 6>to to why, especially when you get when you get

749
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Speaker 6>out of the top ten in particular then people are

750
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.559
<v Speaker 6>I think they try to do it well at the top,

751
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.159
<v Speaker 6>and then the lower you get in the process, it's

752
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 6>like you can't really differentiate between these teams, So any

753
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:55.920
<v Speaker 6>anywhere from like I don't know, fourteen to twenty five,

754
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 6>all those teams you could probably just throw into a

755
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<v Speaker 6>hat and pick out randomly and it probably ended up

756
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 6>pretty similarly.

757
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 2>And just because we're the home of the Utes and

758
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:06.480
<v Speaker 2>they're a mile away, I'll ask you about Utah technically

759
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.079
<v Speaker 2>coming in at thirty with others receiving votes, and whether

760
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 2>or not you think the a people next week will

761
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of reflect a similar area for the Utes.

762
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:18.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think they'll get votes. And I think the

763
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.159
<v Speaker 4>defense was so good last year right in the quarterback playoff.

764
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:22.800
<v Speaker 4>Even you guys and your wisteners no more than I do.

765
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 6>But like you bring in, the defense was not an issue.

766
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 6>It won't be an issue again this year. You bring

767
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.280
<v Speaker 6>a quarterback who had worked with his offensive coordinator, had success.

768
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 6>It's a proven formula to resurrect teams right to have

769
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 6>that sort of camaraderie. And now that you have a

770
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.960
<v Speaker 6>player who's proved proven he can run an offense and

771
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 6>run into this exact offense.

772
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 4>You know, in theory, it solves the problem, right, and

773
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:44.039
<v Speaker 4>so you.

774
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.639
<v Speaker 6>Have this elite defense. Even if you were like somewhat

775
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 6>competent offense, if you taught like the team would have

776
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.480
<v Speaker 6>had a lot more wins last year. And so that simple,

777
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:56.880
<v Speaker 6>very rudimentary combination like makes me optimistic that they can

778
00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:58.920
<v Speaker 6>be a lot more successful this year. And I think

779
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Speaker 6>kind of showing a bit thirty whatever is kind of

780
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:03.760
<v Speaker 6>reflect that same sort of logic.

781
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.199
<v Speaker 2>According to both this Coach's poll and then pretty much

782
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 2>everything else, including Bill Conley's rankings for you guys over

783
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:13.840
<v Speaker 2>at ESPN, it does feel like Arizona State is a

784
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>prohibitive favorite and there's a bit of a gap between

785
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.599
<v Speaker 2>them and everybody else. To your point, we look at

786
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 2>what you did a year ago, and we know what

787
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.800
<v Speaker 2>ASU did a year ago. Seventy nine percent of their

788
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:27.719
<v Speaker 2>production is returning, including Sam Levitt. Does it feel like

789
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>they are the deserved favorite in the Big twelve this year?

790
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:32.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

791
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:33.199
<v Speaker 4>I think so.

792
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.840
<v Speaker 6>I mean, like ludn' skattaboo is tough, right because he,

793
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he was so much of what they did

794
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.199
<v Speaker 6>as a rusher, you know, as a pass catcher. But

795
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:44.199
<v Speaker 6>and It kind of goes back to what you were

796
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 6>saying about Retzlaf, like you have if you have a

797
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 6>good team and your starting quarterback is coming back, you're

798
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.159
<v Speaker 6>getting That's just like people are just gonna think expectations

799
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:52.480
<v Speaker 6>are going to be high, and that's the case with

800
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.000
<v Speaker 6>Asu Elevit's coming back. He had a good year. I

801
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:57.039
<v Speaker 6>think the expectation is it'll be better. He'll be better

802
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 6>this year and even relied on more without Skattaboo around

803
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.000
<v Speaker 6>to carry the ball their back and burnning back. His

804
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 6>name is escaping me off hand is pretty was a

805
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.079
<v Speaker 6>pretty good player. Last year has been relief, so that

806
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:11.599
<v Speaker 6>he's something they feel I can kind of step in

807
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:12.280
<v Speaker 6>and have.

808
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 4>A really productive year as well. But yeah, I think

809
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 4>like it's earned right after after the year they had

810
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 4>and the good showing in the playoffs. I mean, they

811
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 4>probably shouldn't be Texas. They probably felt they should be Texas,

812
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 4>I guess. So the fact that it was a it

813
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:28.079
<v Speaker 4>was a coin flip game against a team with a

814
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:31.639
<v Speaker 4>ton of talent, you know, shows that As is for real.

815
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 4>And I just think that, you know, the coaching turnaround

816
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.679
<v Speaker 4>there has been as impressive as any in college football,

817
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.719
<v Speaker 4>and you have so much of college football is the

818
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 4>coaching staff, right, that's coaching Madison football more than any

819
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:43.880
<v Speaker 4>of the sport, and so I think they're in a

820
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.559
<v Speaker 4>they're operating from place of strength there as well.

821
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 2>As I always say, I will not ask you about

822
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.480
<v Speaker 2>the depth of Raal saw Lake and whether or not

823
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 2>their third left back is something you think can lift

824
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 2>them into the playoffs. But Kyle Sonce you and I spoke.

825
00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Diego Luna had himself an ice little Gold Cup run.

826
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.199
<v Speaker 2>He's been back on the ground here for a little

827
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 2>bit and he is by far their best most productive player.

828
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 2>They did bring in a couple of summer additions, one

829
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 2>DP a nine and then what their manager calls a

830
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.119
<v Speaker 2>nine and a half. But do you think Diego Luna

831
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 2>has done enough to solidify a spot for next year's

832
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:18.840
<v Speaker 2>World Cup.

833
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.159
<v Speaker 6>I you know, it's I wouldn't say like fully, it's

834
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.360
<v Speaker 6>not fully set in stone yet. I expect him to

835
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.679
<v Speaker 6>be on the team, and I'm almost ready to think

836
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:31.599
<v Speaker 6>that he has a chance to play like he hasn't.

837
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 6>I don't think he's proven to be in that spot yet,

838
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 6>but I think that that that's in play, and the

839
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.280
<v Speaker 6>fact that he's come so far so quickly that like,

840
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 6>that's fascinating, right, he was just a few years ago

841
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:44.119
<v Speaker 6>that you know, I don't know how many, maybe four

842
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.360
<v Speaker 6>years ago now that San Jose like didn't even like

843
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.360
<v Speaker 6>he was an academy player and they dropped him from

844
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 6>the academy goes to the USL route, you know, latches

845
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 6>up with the RSL is really has really taken off.

846
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 6>And the fact that he that we can even have

847
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.840
<v Speaker 6>this discussion about whether he's gonna be on the team,

848
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 6>whether he's going to contribute, what his role should be.

849
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.039
<v Speaker 4>I mean, that sort of.

850
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 6>Trajectory is so rare in American soccer, to jump so

851
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:07.159
<v Speaker 6>quickly through the USL, through an MLS team and to

852
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 6>being contention for a roster spot when there's so many

853
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 6>of the other guys at his position are playing at

854
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 6>big clubs in Europe. Right, I think, you know, RSL

855
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:18.360
<v Speaker 6>fans should enjoy him as long as they can, because

856
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.320
<v Speaker 6>I think he's got a future that's going to take

857
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 6>him places with much brighter spotlets.

858
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.159
<v Speaker 2>One more soccer question for you, I wonder and I've

859
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:31.920
<v Speaker 2>drawn the parallel on the show between Rest in Peace, Grantwall,

860
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the Beckham Experiment, the David Beckham MLS partnership that has

861
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.320
<v Speaker 2>continued into his foray into ownership of the Miami Club,

862
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 2>and Grant wrote a great book called The Beckham Experiment

863
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 2>that I read that I thought was awesome.

864
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 3>And then the.

865
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Parallel between David Beckham and what Lionel Messi has brought

866
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 2>to the league now I always hesitate to do it

867
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 2>because then you get soccer pe. I know that Messi

868
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 2>is twenty times a player that Beckham was. I understand that,

869
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.039
<v Speaker 2>and maybe when you're that good, you don't necessarily have

870
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 2>to be the type of state hatesman that Beckham was

871
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>for MLS. I mean, Beckham came here multiple times and

872
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Kyle he stayed after matches for hours and signed autographs

873
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.320
<v Speaker 2>like he got it. He understood what the deal was.

874
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:12.960
<v Speaker 2>He understood that he wasn't the player that he was

875
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 2>once upon a time with man U or the English

876
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 2>national team, and so he was here more of like

877
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.159
<v Speaker 2>a rep for the game and a rep for the league,

878
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and he just could not have been better. And maybe

879
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 2>it's just because Messi is messy. He doesn't have to

880
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.079
<v Speaker 2>do those things. But doesn't show up to the All

881
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Star Game, they suspend him, which felt a little bit wild.

882
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 2>But do you think MLS is getting the Roi whether

883
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.119
<v Speaker 2>and you can define that in any way, shape or

884
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.760
<v Speaker 2>form with this Messi experiment that they've undertaken over the

885
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:43.519
<v Speaker 2>past couple of years.

886
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:49.119
<v Speaker 6>So that's really interesting because it's been massive, undoubtedly, Like

887
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 6>the exposure that the league has gotten as a result

888
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.800
<v Speaker 6>of having Messi in the league is significant. And now

889
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:58.400
<v Speaker 6>like how does it meet the other side of Like

890
00:40:58.480 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 6>now it doesn't.

891
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 4>Meet expectations, Like whatever Messi does, and.

892
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.239
<v Speaker 6>It'll probably be for the rest of his life, Like

893
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 6>he goes on vacation in his seventies, he'll still draw

894
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 6>a crowd. Right, He's that type of just talent and

895
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.480
<v Speaker 6>just like personality just that people just gravitate to him

896
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.360
<v Speaker 6>and he's like a god for people in Argentina and

897
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 6>really around the world.

898
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 4>So I think he's been an overall it's been incredible

899
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.239
<v Speaker 4>for the league, but I also don't think the league

900
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.800
<v Speaker 4>has done enough to make to maximize him at the

901
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.199
<v Speaker 4>same time, if that makes sense. So like there's so

902
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.199
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of too pronged at least.

903
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.239
<v Speaker 6>Like it's been huge. It's who he has certainly benefited,

904
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.320
<v Speaker 6>like a lot of the people who bought Apple Plus

905
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:35.440
<v Speaker 6>subscriptions just to watch Messi. It's probably hard to calculate.

906
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 6>I mean, there's a reason that that was part of

907
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:38.960
<v Speaker 6>the deal for him, right, he gets a cut of

908
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 6>subscriptions to the league just for internationally, just because they're

909
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.920
<v Speaker 6>not buying the subscriptions to watch MLS. They're buying subscriptions

910
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.079
<v Speaker 6>to watch Lionel Messi play soccer wherever he's.

911
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:50.400
<v Speaker 7>Going to be.

912
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.599
<v Speaker 6>So I think ultimately what we'll find out is long term,

913
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:57.360
<v Speaker 6>like when he's gone, what does the league look like

914
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.400
<v Speaker 6>and how will his time in the league have have

915
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:02.639
<v Speaker 6>pushed it forward. It comes at an interest time with

916
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 6>the World Cup coming and that's also going to have

917
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 6>an impact. But I thought there was like a really

918
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Speaker 6>strong wave of Messi storylines and just like involvement when

919
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:14.880
<v Speaker 6>he came over. But I really feel like it's tapered

920
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:17.679
<v Speaker 6>off quite a bit this year. There's the Club World

921
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 6>Cup where he participated, which I think was a nice

922
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.960
<v Speaker 6>boom to kind of have him. They advanced through the group,

923
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.119
<v Speaker 6>which was they were the only only MLS club to

924
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 6>do that. But then you know, you get to PSG

925
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:31.039
<v Speaker 6>and you see there's levels to this, So yeah, it's

926
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 6>it's it's an interesting again, like I just think after

927
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:34.239
<v Speaker 6>this fact.

928
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 4>How many what will m l what will attendance look

929
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 4>like in Miami when Messi is gone? Right, We'll find

930
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.880
<v Speaker 4>out because it's not there. There are not very many

931
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 4>inter Miami fans. There are Messy fans who are going

932
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.199
<v Speaker 4>to support him wherever, and so we'll find out.

933
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 6>It's hard to calibrate right now.

934
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Last thing I'll set you loose. Less than a year

935
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:53.400
<v Speaker 2>away from the World Cup. What's the Kyle Bondeger A

936
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 2>confidence level in our team? Whatever that means to you,

937
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, get out of group whatever, something that could

938
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:00.400
<v Speaker 2>be somewhat exciting for the Old Cup.

939
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean I think you have to get out

940
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 6>of the group more. It's a massive failure, especially with

941
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.000
<v Speaker 6>an expanded World Cup.

942
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:08.760
<v Speaker 4>Right, so you go from thirty.

943
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.119
<v Speaker 6>Two teams to forty eight teams. That inherently is going

944
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:14.800
<v Speaker 6>to dilute the competition. And so it should be easier

945
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:15.800
<v Speaker 6>to get out of the group.

946
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.719
<v Speaker 4>Because there's less good teams. And you got out of

947
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:20.400
<v Speaker 4>the group last time and a tough group in a sense,

948
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.159
<v Speaker 4>and you have known who's really aged out, right, so

949
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:24.320
<v Speaker 4>you should have that. You should have essentially the same team,

950
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:27.079
<v Speaker 4>but guys who are like further deep into their prime.

951
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.800
<v Speaker 4>You have a coach who is you know, on paper better, right,

952
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 4>he's really a bigger name and has achieved more at

953
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.199
<v Speaker 4>a higher level of the sport, but that hasn't shown up.

954
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.239
<v Speaker 6>You know, in the last two years. Obviously Burhalter was

955
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 6>with them during during COPA and that they crashed out early.

956
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:42.000
<v Speaker 4>The Gold Cup.

957
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.480
<v Speaker 6>You have a small complement of the full team in

958
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.119
<v Speaker 6>the tournament at all, which was so you can't really

959
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:49.039
<v Speaker 6>evaluate the team and how they've done. You're not going

960
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.800
<v Speaker 6>to have the qualification process. I feel like interested in

961
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.360
<v Speaker 6>the US national team is really down right now just

962
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 6>because of all those factors.

963
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I mean, if you don't advance, it's a

964
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.000
<v Speaker 4>abject disaster. And you probably because there's an extra I

965
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.199
<v Speaker 4>believe there's an extra round of the of the knockout

966
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 4>phase two, so you probably need to win a win

967
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:13.719
<v Speaker 4>a knockout game as well to really define as a success.

968
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 4>But I think if you had asked me about expectations

969
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.440
<v Speaker 4>about this team after the last World Cup, I would say, look,

970
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 4>you got to make it to the quarterfinals. But now

971
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, there hasn't been a lot of positive developments

972
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:28.920
<v Speaker 4>for the team recently to have those sort of expectations.

973
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Kyle, thanks man for the time, excellent work on the

974
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.199
<v Speaker 2>story and the pod. We'll make sure to send it

975
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.960
<v Speaker 2>out on our socials. Have a great week and we'll

976
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>chat soon, all right. Thanks ros about it girl. ESPN

977
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>covers college football and soccer. This new podcast that he

978
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 2>has with Adam Rittenberg is about the disappearance of Paul

979
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Wolfe's mother, and I read the written description of the

980
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 2>disappearance of Dolores wolf. I have not listened to the

981
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:56.039
<v Speaker 2>pod yet, but the story is gripping and it is

982
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 2>something that is definitely worth your time. At bonnegerat ESPN.

983
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.039
<v Speaker 2>That's his social channel. You can find the linked all

984
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 2>of his work up there. Like any good coach, it's

985
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:06.880
<v Speaker 2>time to update the game plan for a healthy green

986
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.480
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987
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.559
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988
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989
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990
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.519
<v Speaker 3>It's the ultimate lawn owner power move.

991
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>With our good friends over at IFA, I got to

992
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 2>bring in Spencer Lynton from BYU TV for the latest

993
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 2>on the quarterback battle down South will do some big picture,

994
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Speaker 2>big twelve stuff with Spencer Today. The USA Today Coaches

995
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Poll was released yesterday. BYU comes into twenty three Utah

996
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 2>others receiving votes, technically the thirtieth rank team in that poll.

997
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Interested to see what the AP poll manifests coming up

998
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:48.519
<v Speaker 2>next Monday. Of course, the question marks at quarterback for

999
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:53.239
<v Speaker 2>BYU did not necessarily dissuade voters from voting them into

1000
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the top twenty five. Interesting in conversation about what it

1001
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 2>would look like if Jake Retzlof was under center, but

1002
00:45:58.400 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 2>he's not.

1003
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 3>The quarterback battle is down to three players.

1004
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:06.039
<v Speaker 2>McKay Hillstead, who has eight starts under his belt up

1005
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 2>at Utah State. I believe he's a freshman, Trays and

1006
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Borgae a couple of years of Western Michigan. And then

1007
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the true freshman, Bear Bachmeier, who played his spring ball

1008
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 2>at Stanford, who has the measurables that the other two don't.

1009
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.800
<v Speaker 2>It's like six two six three, two fifteen to two

1010
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:25.639
<v Speaker 2>twenty during their spring experience and now in fall camp

1011
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 2>he's worn number forty seven, which is an odd number

1012
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 2>for a quarterback. I believe Bear was a running back

1013
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 2>in high school. Maybe that's where the number comes from.

1014
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 2>So bringing Spencer to a Dave Bartwo College Football Matrix,

1015
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.360
<v Speaker 2>one of our favorite guests to get weird with on

1016
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>a Tuesday. And then Richard Smith will join us forty

1017
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:44.920
<v Speaker 2>years with the Jazz front office. The Jazz made a

1018
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 2>trade today. The Jazz sent R. J. Lewis to the

1019
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Boston Celtics in exchange for George Niang. The minivan is

1020
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 2>coming back to Salt Lake. George's salary will go into

1021
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the slot that was created by the John Colline trade.

1022
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.079
<v Speaker 2>The Jazz had a trade exception and they add a

1023
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:05.599
<v Speaker 2>couple of second rounders to their treasure trove of draft

1024
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.679
<v Speaker 2>assets as well. The motivation for Boston this is kind

1025
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 2>of a gap year for them, a pivot year for them,

1026
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>so they now I believe are under the second aprin

1027
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 2>entirely after moving on from Porzingis and others.

1028
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:21.519
<v Speaker 3>They've got a Jettist in everybody.

1029
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, Jason Tatum continues to recover from that Achilles. This

1030
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:28.840
<v Speaker 2>will be a just kind of a weird year in

1031
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Boston where they're not gonna win a lot of games.

1032
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 2>They're probably gonna maybe compete for a playing spot, but

1033
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.559
<v Speaker 2>ultimately if you're an owner of an NBA team, and

1034
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 2>the Celtics were sold last year. You're probably not interested

1035
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 2>in riding an extra five hundred million dollar check for

1036
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.960
<v Speaker 2>a team that's not going to be serious about competing.

1037
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.119
<v Speaker 2>That's where the Phoenix Suns found themselves last year.

1038
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:50.199
<v Speaker 3>So a little.

1039
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Unexpected NBA news that will get with Smitty with coming

1040
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 2>up in a bit. If you missed the Kyle Bonagurra interview,

1041
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I would encourage you to go to his socials and

1042
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 2>check out this new problem that he and Adam Rittenberg

1043
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:05.400
<v Speaker 2>front of the show have undertaken about the disappearance of

1044
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Paul Wolfe's mother. Paul was the coach of Washington State

1045
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 2>for a number of years. Didn't go well for Paul

1046
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 2>as the coach up there. I think he was nine

1047
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and forty if I remember correctly. We'ch just do a

1048
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 2>little quick, Mathew, that's not good. But his mother disappeared

1049
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 2>from their home in nineteen seventy nine.

1050
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:23.880
<v Speaker 3>And there was no body.

1051
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.360
<v Speaker 2>There was no answers, and then four decades later the

1052
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:32.119
<v Speaker 2>information came to light about what had happened there, and

1053
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 2>ultimately the lone suspect was Paul's father, Carl Carl passed

1054
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.360
<v Speaker 2>away at the age of seventy. He was charged at

1055
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.719
<v Speaker 2>one point, but they didn't have enough evidence to kind

1056
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>of keep him locked up and then go forward with

1057
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.719
<v Speaker 2>the charges, so he was released and then lived his life.

1058
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:51.360
<v Speaker 2>But one of the most interesting parts is the family

1059
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 2>dynamics surrounding Paul after Paul lost essentially both parents at

1060
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:58.119
<v Speaker 2>a very young age.

1061
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 3>So good stuff there.

1062
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Kyle's socials at Bonnegura ESPN is where you find him.

1063
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 2>And then of course we talked a little big twelve

1064
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 2>football and will Diego Luna play for the US men's

1065
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:12.360
<v Speaker 2>national team. But there's a quarterback race about forty miles

1066
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.679
<v Speaker 2>down south, and nobody better to break it down than

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00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.199
<v Speaker 2>our good buddy, Spencer Lytton from BYU TV. Spencer, Happy Tuesday, Sir,

1068
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.559
<v Speaker 2>How are you good, Spence?

1069
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.000
<v Speaker 4>Great to talk with you, man. And what's this you

1070
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.280
<v Speaker 4>mentioned of a quarterback battle. I didn't know something was

1071
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:27.039
<v Speaker 4>happening there.

1072
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh am, I breaking news for you.

1073
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, if the BYU media members need breaking

1074
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 2>news on the Home of the Utes about BYU Spencer,

1075
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.880
<v Speaker 2>We've got something to talk about, buddy.

1076
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:41.000
<v Speaker 4>We're in trouble. We're in trouble. Yeah, clearly Spence. That

1077
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:44.079
<v Speaker 4>is all anybody really wants to talk about when it

1078
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.760
<v Speaker 4>comes to BA football at this juncture is who's going

1079
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:48.760
<v Speaker 4>to be the starter? You know, whether I'm at church,

1080
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 4>or I'm in the grocery store, or I'm walking to

1081
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.079
<v Speaker 4>my car, like, I can see it. I can spot

1082
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.280
<v Speaker 4>it from a mile away. Someone's easy. They make eye

1083
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.800
<v Speaker 4>contact and I almost eighty percent of the time, I

1084
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:00.880
<v Speaker 4>guarantee there's going to be a question about who's going

1085
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 4>to be the starting quarterback at the UA football But

1086
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:05.840
<v Speaker 4>it comes with the territory and clearly that has been

1087
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.159
<v Speaker 4>the headliner to open up a training camp for Kalani Sataki.

1088
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.639
<v Speaker 2>The main difference between you and I Spencer, even though

1089
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>we have similar names, is when you walk into church,

1090
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.199
<v Speaker 2>they say who's the quarterback? When I walk into church

1091
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:17.679
<v Speaker 2>they say, what the hell are you doing here?

1092
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:22.880
<v Speaker 4>With open arms? My friend?

1093
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh, oh for sure.

1094
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of which, do you know anybody named Spencer under

1095
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:31.280
<v Speaker 2>the age of like thirty five? I feel like for

1096
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.119
<v Speaker 2>about ten years, if you were raised in an LDS household,

1097
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:36.039
<v Speaker 2>there was a good chance your name was Spencer. And

1098
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 2>now I don't think anybody will ever be named Spencer again.

1099
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.280
<v Speaker 4>That's a great point. No, I mean, my oldest son

1100
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.960
<v Speaker 4>has my name is his middle name. But yeah, I

1101
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.079
<v Speaker 4>now that you ask that, I do not think I

1102
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:52.840
<v Speaker 4>know anybody at least not in my close circle that

1103
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:54.480
<v Speaker 4>I could recall at the top of my head that

1104
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 4>shares my name that is wild Man. We need more

1105
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.719
<v Speaker 4>love for the name Spencer moving forward.

1106
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 2>And honestly, I believe we're close to the same age. Again,

1107
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I know dozens of Spencer's in Healds families that around

1108
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 2>our age. But I think after a while people are like, yeah,

1109
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:11.679
<v Speaker 2>the names all not all that great.

1110
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:12.360
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna move on.

1111
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.599
<v Speaker 4>It's been, it's washed up. It is, it ran its course,

1112
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:17.320
<v Speaker 4>it's good.

1113
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:18.360
<v Speaker 3>It is, it is.

1114
00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:20.960
<v Speaker 2>But indeed we traverse on all right, Well, I know

1115
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 2>you're sick of talking about it, but it is the

1116
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:26.039
<v Speaker 2>one thing people want to know. So McKay Hillstead eight

1117
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 2>stars under his belt at Utah State, the tracing board,

1118
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.800
<v Speaker 2>gay kid, that's been a couple of years of Western Michigan.

1119
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:33.800
<v Speaker 2>And then bear Backmeyer, who I feel like a lot

1120
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.440
<v Speaker 2>of people are really really high on. How would you

1121
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:38.719
<v Speaker 2>handicap this as of now and how do you think

1122
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it's going to play out?

1123
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:44.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it is really splitting hairs at this juncture, and

1124
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:48.519
<v Speaker 4>Aaron Roderick, the offensive coordinator, said late last week it's

1125
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.639
<v Speaker 4>going to be a minute, it's going to take some time,

1126
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.199
<v Speaker 4>and I know that others have been outspoken. Brandon Doman,

1127
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.320
<v Speaker 4>a former Boa quarterback, He's like, no, they I mean

1128
00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:58.039
<v Speaker 4>you have to make decision now. You've got to like,

1129
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.199
<v Speaker 4>you got to make your decision, and got that the

1130
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.480
<v Speaker 4>earlier the better, it's going to be more advantageous to

1131
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.320
<v Speaker 4>your team. But I believe, based on commentary from Aaron

1132
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.320
<v Speaker 4>Roderick and Tessi Sataki and other coaches on the current staff,

1133
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:13.920
<v Speaker 4>that they need at least ten practices to really be

1134
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.880
<v Speaker 4>able to and it might be more practices in that

1135
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:18.760
<v Speaker 4>to even get to a point where you're like, all

1136
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 4>right now, this guy is creating some separation. You just

1137
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:27.000
<v Speaker 4>be always not in this situation right now where they

1138
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 4>can be like, okay, all we needed was a wig

1139
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:31.559
<v Speaker 4>he's the guy. No, we're not there. And so I

1140
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 4>don't think that they will know even within the staff

1141
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:40.199
<v Speaker 4>that their starting quarterback is this guy until at least

1142
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:42.639
<v Speaker 4>all thrown out a date like August twentieth, like we

1143
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 4>probably need two more weeks and eight to ten more

1144
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.920
<v Speaker 4>practices before they can feel confident in seeing separation for

1145
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 4>a guy now, if you were to ask me and

1146
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:56.159
<v Speaker 4>you getting around about way like who's the guy today

1147
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.559
<v Speaker 4>and how are we handicapping them now? Would give a

1148
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.800
<v Speaker 4>very slight edge to McKay Hillstead because I feel like

1149
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 4>his skill set naturally fits Aaron Rodercks' offense best right now,

1150
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:12.639
<v Speaker 4>and I think that he's the guy that's hitting all

1151
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 4>of a Rod's love languages at this point. And for

1152
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.639
<v Speaker 4>those who are wondering what the heck I'm talking about,

1153
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:22.400
<v Speaker 4>a Rod pays attention to three things very closely, one

1154
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 4>red zone efficiency, two taking care of the ball, and

1155
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.440
<v Speaker 4>three your ability to scramble and extend plays and make

1156
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:34.280
<v Speaker 4>something happen when the pocket does eventually collapse. And I

1157
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.400
<v Speaker 4>think Hillstead is the guy that is at least consistently

1158
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 4>doing those things the best right now. But it's I

1159
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.199
<v Speaker 4>mean a very slim margin between McKay and Trayson Borgae

1160
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 4>and Bear Bachmeier.

1161
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:47.760
<v Speaker 7>If I were.

1162
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 4>Making the depth chart today, I'd probably have McKay starting

1163
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:54.239
<v Speaker 4>Tracon very close second behind, and Bear is intriguing because

1164
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:57.199
<v Speaker 4>he's a guy that you could implement some specialty packages

1165
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.480
<v Speaker 4>for with what he brings to the field. And I

1166
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.679
<v Speaker 4>know that people hate the idea of how multiple quarterbacks.

1167
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:08.039
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm not saying Boa needs to play multiple quarterbacks,

1168
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 4>but don't be sprised to BYU. In the red zone

1169
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 4>on the ten yard line and all of a sudden,

1170
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 4>bear Bachmeyer comes in and the defense is like, Okay,

1171
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.000
<v Speaker 4>here's this kid. We're a number forty seven. He's a big,

1172
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:20.599
<v Speaker 4>physical guy. We know he likes to run, but you

1173
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 4>do have to respect his ability to pass. It's almost

1174
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:26.000
<v Speaker 4>like what bou did with Taysom Hill in twenty twelve,

1175
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:27.960
<v Speaker 4>and frankly what the Saints are doing with Taysom Hill

1176
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.920
<v Speaker 4>right now, Like, Okay, well, we can't be sure that

1177
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:32.840
<v Speaker 4>he's gonna run. We think he's gonna run, but he

1178
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:34.880
<v Speaker 4>might throw. It might be a play action element. So

1179
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.480
<v Speaker 4>that's kind of how I would sum it up right now.

1180
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:42.159
<v Speaker 4>Is McKay's the guy, very close race between he and

1181
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:44.719
<v Speaker 4>Trayson who would be number two. And then some specialty

1182
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:47.440
<v Speaker 4>packages for bear Backmeyer, who once he's in the system

1183
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.360
<v Speaker 4>a little bit longer because he's been impressive thus far,

1184
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 4>just give him a little more time to acclimate in

1185
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.800
<v Speaker 4>and he's got the highest ceiling, but just he's third

1186
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:57.880
<v Speaker 4>right now, but don't be surprised to see him on

1187
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.559
<v Speaker 4>the field in some unique twists and a Rod's offense.

1188
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 2>You referenced the number, and as I was watching some film,

1189
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, can we get our guy a different number

1190
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 2>than forty seven if he's playing quarterback? Like, it's just

1191
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:13.440
<v Speaker 2>a little bit odd, Like what's the origin story of

1192
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.400
<v Speaker 2>bear Backmeyer who is trying to be a quarterback at

1193
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:18.119
<v Speaker 2>BYU wearing number forty seven?

1194
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.199
<v Speaker 4>You know, he likes the idea of just being different

1195
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:27.440
<v Speaker 4>and almost like a linebacker's mentality where he's just football player.

1196
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.920
<v Speaker 4>So we need to dive into that some more. But

1197
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:33.519
<v Speaker 4>from what I've gathered, it's just kind of a I

1198
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:37.239
<v Speaker 4>like it because it's different and I feel like I

1199
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 4>bring a physical nature to the game, and so forty

1200
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:44.199
<v Speaker 4>seven it is. It's just something that he made a

1201
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 4>decision about a while ago and it kind of made

1202
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:49.639
<v Speaker 4>its way in through the prep ranks and what he

1203
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:54.039
<v Speaker 4>was doing there, and so it kind of identifies himself

1204
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.239
<v Speaker 4>as just different. So I've to get into the specifics

1205
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:01.280
<v Speaker 4>of the forty seven with him and kind of died,

1206
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:03.719
<v Speaker 4>like why that numbers? Because it went number forty five

1207
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:08.440
<v Speaker 4>or number forty two. So let me follow up on that.

1208
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:12.000
<v Speaker 4>That is a loaded question and one that it's certainly

1209
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:13.320
<v Speaker 4>worthy of being asked.

1210
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:17.760
<v Speaker 2>So the Coach's Poll is released on Monday, and we

1211
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:21.039
<v Speaker 2>just said Kyle Bonniger on the show, and I asked Kyle,

1212
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:25.280
<v Speaker 2>throughout his entire career covering college football, how many coaches

1213
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:28.199
<v Speaker 2>he's spoken to that admitted they actually did this, and

1214
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.840
<v Speaker 2>he said one. It was David Shaw who said he

1215
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:32.920
<v Speaker 2>did it one year and that never did it again

1216
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:37.960
<v Speaker 2>about three About three years ago, I texted a coach

1217
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.480
<v Speaker 2>in state and I said, off the record, how many

1218
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.480
<v Speaker 2>times have you done this exercise? He said zero? Now

1219
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:46.599
<v Speaker 2>one time, I've never done it. I was delegated. It's

1220
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:50.719
<v Speaker 2>an exercising futility. However, it's early August and we're inching

1221
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.840
<v Speaker 2>closer and closer to game, so it is topical. Were

1222
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 2>you surprised that despite breaking in a new quarterback BYU

1223
00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.519
<v Speaker 2>still broke the top twenty five, coming in at number

1224
00:56:59.519 --> 00:56:59.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty three.

1225
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I did not expect BAA to be in any

1226
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:10.920
<v Speaker 4>top twenty five, whether it be notable preseason magazines like

1227
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 4>Phil Steele and Lindy's and AffA on certainly not after

1228
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.079
<v Speaker 4>the Jake Retslock news broke that he was leaving. It's like, okay,

1229
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.039
<v Speaker 4>now BYU is not in that top twenty five category.

1230
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.760
<v Speaker 4>I think the closest I have seen BYU other than

1231
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.400
<v Speaker 4>the coaches pool your referencing now, was something that came

1232
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:29.239
<v Speaker 4>out from CBS Sports yesterday or maybe this morning, which

1233
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:31.880
<v Speaker 4>was they ranked all one hundred and thirty six FBS

1234
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:33.920
<v Speaker 4>teams and BA was at number thirty six, which I

1235
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:36.960
<v Speaker 4>thought was a fair number because I do believe that

1236
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.800
<v Speaker 4>they're a good team, and there's a lot of faith

1237
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:41.039
<v Speaker 4>and trust in Kilani and the culture that he's built.

1238
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:44.599
<v Speaker 4>But everyone's in a holding pattern, understandably because of the

1239
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.440
<v Speaker 4>quarterback situation. So when I saw the coaches pol number

1240
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 4>twenty three, that WHOA Okay. The sports information directors you're

1241
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 4>talking about clearly did not set the memo about what's

1242
00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:01.679
<v Speaker 4>happening with BYU's offense right now, because you're right, it's whatever.

1243
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:04.880
<v Speaker 4>A person in the athletic department has been delegated the

1244
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:09.760
<v Speaker 4>responsibility to submit said ballot for the coach's poll and

1245
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.000
<v Speaker 4>it all gets tabulated, and I'm sure that some of

1246
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.480
<v Speaker 4>them are like, well, B why you beat up on

1247
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.440
<v Speaker 4>Colorado on the Aluma Bowl and one eleven and two

1248
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.400
<v Speaker 4>and finish number thirteen. Yeah, I'll throw him in the

1249
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 4>top twenty five. So probably some lazy research there are

1250
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 4>just like, hey, this is get it done. When the

1251
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:26.079
<v Speaker 4>media poll and the eight piece side comes out, I

1252
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.639
<v Speaker 4>believe on Monday, I don't think we're going to see

1253
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:30.719
<v Speaker 4>be only in the top twenty five. I think there

1254
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:32.840
<v Speaker 4>will be a few that might put them at the

1255
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.440
<v Speaker 4>very back of the pole, so they'll be receiving votes

1256
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:38.800
<v Speaker 4>in some small capacity. But I think they probably deserve

1257
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.480
<v Speaker 4>to be somewhere between eight to twelve spots out of

1258
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:45.000
<v Speaker 4>the top twenty five because twenty three straight up shocked me.

1259
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.079
<v Speaker 4>And I think BYU they revel in the idea of

1260
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:54.320
<v Speaker 4>being the underappreciated, over delivering team. So I think you

1261
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.280
<v Speaker 4>ask a typical fan or even the player on the team,

1262
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.000
<v Speaker 4>it's like, no, don't rank us, Like just just let

1263
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.760
<v Speaker 4>us start unranked and work our way up, and we'll

1264
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:04.280
<v Speaker 4>have that proverbial chip on the shoulder and we'll use

1265
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:07.239
<v Speaker 4>that as an advantage if they can channel that energy

1266
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:07.920
<v Speaker 4>in the right direction.

1267
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:10.920
<v Speaker 3>Completely hypothetical, so no way of knowing.

1268
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:14.679
<v Speaker 2>But if Jake stays and is not facing a suspension,

1269
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:15.719
<v Speaker 2>none of that goes down.

1270
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Where do you think they land?

1271
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:22.199
<v Speaker 4>I would put them probably between sixteen and eighteen in

1272
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:24.800
<v Speaker 4>the media poll. If Jake retzl Off is still the quarterback.

1273
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:28.239
<v Speaker 4>Now you've got like a real case for a team

1274
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 4>that has some continuity. Right, they still have continuity. But

1275
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:36.039
<v Speaker 4>when you bring back your returning starting quarterback and a

1276
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:39.599
<v Speaker 4>team that feels like their defense is not going to

1277
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:42.519
<v Speaker 4>have a lapse or at least not a significant lapse,

1278
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:46.360
<v Speaker 4>and you have key playmakers like Chase Roberts and LJ. Martin,

1279
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.360
<v Speaker 4>and you have enough of a contingently offensive lineback, Now

1280
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:52.679
<v Speaker 4>there's a case, at least in your typical media member's

1281
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.880
<v Speaker 4>mind that BYU is the top twenty teen. So I

1282
00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:58.760
<v Speaker 4>would I had inflated somewhere between sixteen and eighteen to

1283
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.000
<v Speaker 4>start the season with Red Fluff in the max. Now

1284
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.239
<v Speaker 4>that he's gone, then I think, yeah, eight to twelve

1285
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.519
<v Speaker 4>spots outside, And I think that's totally fair. And if

1286
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:11.079
<v Speaker 4>YU wants to try and rally around the idea that

1287
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:13.360
<v Speaker 4>they don't know but they about to find out that

1288
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.119
<v Speaker 4>whole thing, then great, you know, more power to him.

1289
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:19.719
<v Speaker 4>But there is I don't know why it is down here,

1290
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 4>but they the fans just they love the idea of

1291
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.639
<v Speaker 4>being undervalued and then trying to make something more and

1292
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.880
<v Speaker 4>they see, we told you, But we'll see if they

1293
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:32.079
<v Speaker 4>can do it again, because this time around with a

1294
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:37.000
<v Speaker 4>full on quarterback battle, like the question marks are totally

1295
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:40.880
<v Speaker 4>fair and I have no idea what to expect in

1296
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:42.760
<v Speaker 4>that first game on August thirtieth.

1297
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:45.599
<v Speaker 2>I do think if you're a BYU fan, you take

1298
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:48.280
<v Speaker 2>a little comfort knowing that a Rod and Kolani have

1299
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 2>traversed the quarterback battle space for what three straight years maybe,

1300
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.559
<v Speaker 2>and they've made the right call every single time.

1301
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:57.800
<v Speaker 8>Yeah yeah, yeah, no at fair point.

1302
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:01.079
<v Speaker 4>Like last year with Jake Retthloff and Gary Bohannon was like, man,

1303
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:03.519
<v Speaker 4>it literally came down to the last week and they're like, hey,

1304
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.039
<v Speaker 4>we're gonna We're gonna make Jake the guy, but Gary,

1305
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.880
<v Speaker 4>you're you're right there, And so that was a tough

1306
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:10.840
<v Speaker 4>one and they I mean, there was a lot of

1307
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:14.800
<v Speaker 4>back and forth there because Gary's shoulder was better and

1308
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.599
<v Speaker 4>he looked really good, and I don't know that they

1309
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:20.159
<v Speaker 4>were anticipating that that happening. So that was a really

1310
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.920
<v Speaker 4>tough decision there, and even going back to twenty eighteen,

1311
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.000
<v Speaker 4>I think that was the last time, but a Rod

1312
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.079
<v Speaker 4>wasn't the offensive coordinator. That was Jeff Grimes, and it

1313
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:32.960
<v Speaker 4>was Tanner Mangham versus Dak Wilson, and they they opted

1314
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:35.400
<v Speaker 4>for Tanner Mingum and his experience for the first six games.

1315
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Then he got benched and then comes back Wilson and

1316
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:39.920
<v Speaker 4>he starts his career. So that was really the last

1317
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:41.920
<v Speaker 4>time I was like, oh, man, I have no idea

1318
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.559
<v Speaker 4>what be what he's going to do at quarterback. And

1319
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.679
<v Speaker 4>I don't envy the offensive coordinator that has to make

1320
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.920
<v Speaker 4>that decision. Didn't in twenty eighteen, don't this year because

1321
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.760
<v Speaker 4>that's really tough. But yes, to your point, like this

1322
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:58.199
<v Speaker 4>is not something that is brand new and they're like, oh,

1323
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:01.199
<v Speaker 4>what do we do? Like they have versus this, And

1324
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:04.760
<v Speaker 4>if they can just name a guy internally at least

1325
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:09.039
<v Speaker 4>a week out, then that's probably an okay scenario. But

1326
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.800
<v Speaker 4>I don't think most of us in the media and

1327
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:13.840
<v Speaker 4>in the public are going to know who the starting

1328
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:16.079
<v Speaker 4>quarterback is until we see him run out with the

1329
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 4>offense in the first series of the season.

1330
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Tell me about the on line, I mean Ultimately that's

1331
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:25.239
<v Speaker 2>where it starts. And Klonnie, of course, you know, learned

1332
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of his trade under Kyle, and Kyle wants

1333
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the trenches. Every coach wants the trenches dialed in and

1334
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:33.280
<v Speaker 2>b Yu with some losses on that old line.

1335
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:34.119
<v Speaker 3>How's it shape it up?

1336
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they are expecting a lot from a guy like

1337
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:41.159
<v Speaker 4>Bruce Mitchell at center to take over for Connor pay

1338
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.119
<v Speaker 4>and that he The good thing for Bruce is Connor

1339
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:45.679
<v Speaker 4>got injured Buster and Bruce had to start at center

1340
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:49.480
<v Speaker 4>in multiple important power forward games. So they feel like

1341
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:51.880
<v Speaker 4>they for the most part, won't skip a beat with

1342
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.760
<v Speaker 4>the guy who's ready and experienced it, and so they

1343
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:57.360
<v Speaker 4>feel like they have their center and their captain on

1344
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:02.400
<v Speaker 4>that line. The addition of Andrew Gentry, the Michigan transfer,

1345
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:07.079
<v Speaker 4>is huge and the experience and perspective that he brings

1346
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.599
<v Speaker 4>he'll be the right tackle, so that that should really

1347
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.039
<v Speaker 4>help by you feel confident on that side. Isaiah Jada

1348
01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:16.960
<v Speaker 4>is going to be the blind side protector. I talked

1349
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:19.480
<v Speaker 4>to TJ Woods, the offensive line coach, about Isaiah, and

1350
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.199
<v Speaker 4>he said, look, there are a few guys that have

1351
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:26.559
<v Speaker 4>taken significant steps forward. Isaiah is one of those. Guys.

1352
01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 4>I have a lot of trust in him, so I

1353
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:31.679
<v Speaker 4>feel very good about the two tackle positions, and then

1354
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.760
<v Speaker 4>Whale and Lapuaho might be the He's certainly the vocal

1355
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.280
<v Speaker 4>leader on that offensive line, but he brings a ton

1356
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:40.199
<v Speaker 4>of experience and he's gone through the rigors of a

1357
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:44.519
<v Speaker 4>full power force schedule, so you have most of your

1358
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:47.320
<v Speaker 4>key components. I think the biggest question marked about the

1359
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:49.800
<v Speaker 4>offensive line is how deep are they? Like after the

1360
01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:53.239
<v Speaker 4>starting five, what do they have? And that's what TJ said,

1361
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:55.519
<v Speaker 4>He's like, camp for me is going to be figuring

1362
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.400
<v Speaker 4>out who guys six through nine are so we can

1363
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:04.920
<v Speaker 4>know what happens if and when, inevitably there is an injury.

1364
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:08.039
<v Speaker 4>You know, what can Austin Leusa do? And you know

1365
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:10.960
<v Speaker 4>some of these other younger guys were developing, Like that's

1366
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:13.519
<v Speaker 4>the biggest question mark is the starting five. Like the

1367
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:18.119
<v Speaker 4>opening five to six guys very confident. The depth is

1368
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:22.000
<v Speaker 4>where the concern lies with positions like six through nine

1369
01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:23.760
<v Speaker 4>when those injuries happen.

1370
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Both Utah and BYU have a bit of a soft

1371
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.199
<v Speaker 2>landing into the season with some non conference games. Portland

1372
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.920
<v Speaker 2>State the opener for BYU, then Stanford at home Stanford

1373
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Fire Troy Taylor. Frank Reich is in as an interim

1374
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.719
<v Speaker 2>coach and it's an agreement from both sides that it's

1375
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:43.519
<v Speaker 2>a one year deal and then it's at East Carolina

1376
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:46.639
<v Speaker 2>prior to launching into conference play. Do you like the

1377
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:50.159
<v Speaker 2>soft landing just because BYU's breaking in a new quarterback

1378
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:51.760
<v Speaker 2>so you kind of can see what sort of hand

1379
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:53.239
<v Speaker 2>you've been dealt before conference play.

1380
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:57.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's it's interesting, but it worked out that way

1381
01:04:57.480 --> 01:04:59.719
<v Speaker 4>because at first I was like, man, I'd like to

1382
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:02.000
<v Speaker 4>see BYU play kind of one of those banger non

1383
01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:05.840
<v Speaker 4>conference games with the experienced core returning. But when the

1384
01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:08.360
<v Speaker 4>Retslav situation went down, it's like, oh, man, this is

1385
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:12.760
<v Speaker 4>actually beneficial that BYU can ramp up, and frankly, the

1386
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:15.840
<v Speaker 4>first six games of the season for BYU are a

1387
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:19.639
<v Speaker 4>necessary ramp to the back six because beginning with Utah

1388
01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:24.119
<v Speaker 4>and game number seven, it just is a dauntlet for

1389
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:27.440
<v Speaker 4>the for about four or five straight weeks because now

1390
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:29.440
<v Speaker 4>you've got Utah and then ba's got to go to

1391
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:32.400
<v Speaker 4>Ames and play at Iowa State, and then they have

1392
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:35.360
<v Speaker 4>a bye week and then they'll play in Lublick against

1393
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:38.599
<v Speaker 4>Texas Tech. Who's you know, holding one of the most

1394
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:41.599
<v Speaker 4>expensive and talented rosters they've ever had in program history,

1395
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:43.840
<v Speaker 4>and then you got to come home and play TCU.

1396
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:49.519
<v Speaker 4>So it's just like WHOA in mid October to mid November.

1397
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:52.599
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot there for BYU. So I do feel

1398
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:54.679
<v Speaker 4>like the first six games in general are just a

1399
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:57.360
<v Speaker 4>natural ramp up because Boa is not going to figure

1400
01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.639
<v Speaker 4>a world big or a non conference Portland State, Stanford

1401
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:03.480
<v Speaker 4>or East Carolina. Colorado is an intriguing Big twelve opener,

1402
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:06.519
<v Speaker 4>not sure what they're going to be. Deon senders that

1403
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 4>they're a more talented team. They don't have as much

1404
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:11.360
<v Speaker 4>individual talents they had last year, but he believes they're

1405
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:14.880
<v Speaker 4>a better team overall, So take that for what you will.

1406
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:19.320
<v Speaker 4>And then BYU's got a couple of games that I

1407
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:21.679
<v Speaker 4>feel like they should be okay in a home game

1408
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:24.519
<v Speaker 4>against West Virginia, who has to travel along away on

1409
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:28.440
<v Speaker 4>a Friday night, and then Arizona on the road. We

1410
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:29.960
<v Speaker 4>don't know what the heck they're going to be under

1411
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.639
<v Speaker 4>Brent Brennan as he's trying to save his job. So

1412
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:37.320
<v Speaker 4>it really is a great opportunity for Bay to break

1413
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:40.559
<v Speaker 4>in a guy, and I think that it's not Outland,

1414
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:42.559
<v Speaker 4>just to think that the Cougars can go five and one,

1415
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:46.559
<v Speaker 4>even with a brand new quarterback against those six opponents.

1416
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:49.239
<v Speaker 4>If BUA can be five and one going into the

1417
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:52.280
<v Speaker 4>Utah game, then they should feel very very good about

1418
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:55.360
<v Speaker 4>their chances, you know, to win eight games and try

1419
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:58.119
<v Speaker 4>and go three and three in that back six and

1420
01:06:58.559 --> 01:06:59.840
<v Speaker 4>be going into a bowl game at eight.

1421
01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:04.199
<v Speaker 2>And talked about this earlier with the coaches poll released

1422
01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:08.239
<v Speaker 2>yesterday and the AP coming out on Monday. I need

1423
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.639
<v Speaker 2>three or four I need three or four games before

1424
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I can I always say observation, not conclusion, the first

1425
01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:16.719
<v Speaker 2>three or four games of the season. Now, the complication

1426
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:20.360
<v Speaker 2>with this dynamic when it comes to a conference is

1427
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:22.800
<v Speaker 2>you could go zero to three in non con turn

1428
01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:25.800
<v Speaker 2>it around to do finding conference play. But how long

1429
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:27.880
<v Speaker 2>do you need before you feel like you have an

1430
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.800
<v Speaker 2>accurate read on exactly who BYU will be this year?

1431
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:32.599
<v Speaker 3>How many games you need do you need on your belt?

1432
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.559
<v Speaker 4>I'm not far off of what you're you're saying there, Spence.

1433
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:39.360
<v Speaker 4>I I feel like I have a really good idea

1434
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:43.079
<v Speaker 4>of what a team is probably four games into the season,

1435
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:48.119
<v Speaker 4>because I think you've you've seen at least one conference game,

1436
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:52.920
<v Speaker 4>and you've seen them work out some of the workoffs,

1437
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:54.679
<v Speaker 4>some of the russ work at some of the kinks

1438
01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:58.000
<v Speaker 4>in things through those three non conference games. So if

1439
01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:02.760
<v Speaker 4>I saw the first poll like the first week of October,

1440
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:05.440
<v Speaker 4>I think that would be awesome because then we I thought,

1441
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:08.360
<v Speaker 4>we really know, like Okay, we have a way better

1442
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:10.800
<v Speaker 4>idea of what these teams are and you can avoid

1443
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:12.960
<v Speaker 4>a situation like we had a Florida State last year

1444
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.119
<v Speaker 4>where they're top ten team and they lose in the

1445
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:17.119
<v Speaker 4>opener in Ireland to Georgia Tech, and we're like, oh,

1446
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:19.479
<v Speaker 4>maybe it was a fluke, and then the wheels just

1447
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:22.479
<v Speaker 4>absolutely fell off and they were an absolute dumpster fire

1448
01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:26.800
<v Speaker 4>a year after being a College Fool playoff contender. So yeah,

1449
01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:29.479
<v Speaker 4>I'm probably four games and then and then we're good,

1450
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:32.479
<v Speaker 4>give me the first pull on October. But I understand

1451
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.720
<v Speaker 4>that we're in a business that drives advertisers and ratings,

1452
01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:38.760
<v Speaker 4>and we need contexts and we want people to watch

1453
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.199
<v Speaker 4>games early, and that's why we have the preseason eight

1454
01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.960
<v Speaker 4>pe pole and the coaches pulled because we want people

1455
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:45.840
<v Speaker 4>to watch the product. We want people to pay attention

1456
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:48.520
<v Speaker 4>to our shows, and it gives us Podder to talk about.

1457
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:50.920
<v Speaker 4>So I trust me, I understand both dynamics. But if

1458
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:53.000
<v Speaker 4>I had my way, first pull on the first week

1459
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:54.239
<v Speaker 4>of October would be the way to go.

1460
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:57.520
<v Speaker 2>I had a chance to catch up with Brian Santiago

1461
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Big twelve media day. What's it been like first couple Well,

1462
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:03.479
<v Speaker 2>I guess months now on the job. I mean, it's

1463
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:05.479
<v Speaker 2>just it's tough to follow a guy like Tom with

1464
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:07.880
<v Speaker 2>the job he did, and we know Brian was his

1465
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:11.159
<v Speaker 2>right hand man, and you know, it does feel like

1466
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:14.680
<v Speaker 2>he has inherited a very advantageous situation for an AD

1467
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:17.560
<v Speaker 2>because it just feels like things are ticking down there,

1468
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:19.279
<v Speaker 2>honestly in a way that it hasn't felt like for

1469
01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:22.479
<v Speaker 2>quite some time on both the men's basketball and football side.

1470
01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:24.840
<v Speaker 2>And then you know, a lot of the Olympic sports

1471
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:28.720
<v Speaker 2>high level as well, so fan interest, ticket sales, you know,

1472
01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:31.960
<v Speaker 2>business of sport at BYU seems good. What's it been

1473
01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:33.760
<v Speaker 2>like having that new AD for a little while now?

1474
01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:38.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I joked to him. I actually spoke to him

1475
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:40.680
<v Speaker 4>this morning and joked of them like, hey, you signed

1476
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:41.720
<v Speaker 4>up at the perfect time.

1477
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:43.560
<v Speaker 7>You know, nice easy.

1478
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:48.359
<v Speaker 4>Transition into revenue share, your starting quarterbacks leaving the program

1479
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:54.239
<v Speaker 4>and going through that craziness and then sold out arenas

1480
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:57.520
<v Speaker 4>and students being mad because they're not of rock passes

1481
01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:01.079
<v Speaker 4>and season ticket holders wondering if they're going to be

1482
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:02.920
<v Speaker 4>able to be in the building, and you know, we

1483
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.319
<v Speaker 4>kind of, you know, joked about a tongue in cheek,

1484
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:09.119
<v Speaker 4>but I mean, ultimately he said, it's it's this is

1485
01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:12.199
<v Speaker 4>a first world problem, no doubt about it. Like it,

1486
01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:17.079
<v Speaker 4>I'm so grateful and I'm using his words to see

1487
01:10:17.479 --> 01:10:21.560
<v Speaker 4>the passion and the commitment for BYU athletics at an

1488
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:24.479
<v Speaker 4>all time high. And I mean he keeps using the

1489
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:30.560
<v Speaker 4>word just like unbelievable and unprecedented, but he's genuinely excited

1490
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.960
<v Speaker 4>about what's going to happen. He did point out the

1491
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:37.319
<v Speaker 4>biggest challenge ahead of by U is now that there

1492
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:41.159
<v Speaker 4>are expectations out there, especially for the men's basketball program,

1493
01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:43.760
<v Speaker 4>like how do they rise to the occasion? Can they

1494
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:48.399
<v Speaker 4>meet the expectations which really haven't been there certainly not

1495
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:51.039
<v Speaker 4>like this, But that's the challenge now is can we

1496
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:53.920
<v Speaker 4>can we rise to the occasion, meet the expectations? Can

1497
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:55.760
<v Speaker 4>this basketballs and put it together and go to an

1498
01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:58.840
<v Speaker 4>elite A or you know, be a legitimate national championship

1499
01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:02.039
<v Speaker 4>contender and can football replicate what they did last year?

1500
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:03.960
<v Speaker 4>Can they make it so last year wasn't a fluke

1501
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.640
<v Speaker 4>and they can they go out and be a legitimate

1502
01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:10.079
<v Speaker 4>contender to get to a big twelve championship game. So

1503
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:14.119
<v Speaker 4>that that's the challenge. But I believe he is genuinely

1504
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:18.760
<v Speaker 4>excited and thrilled and is aware of the concerns and

1505
01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:21.399
<v Speaker 4>complaints that happened when everyone wants to be in the

1506
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:25.359
<v Speaker 4>building and can't. But you know, and I've got he's

1507
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:28.079
<v Speaker 4>open to admitting that he's he's learning as he goes.

1508
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:30.199
<v Speaker 4>You know, He's like, man, I feel like I'm learning

1509
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:32.760
<v Speaker 4>lesson every day. Just you think you have an idea

1510
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:35.800
<v Speaker 4>of if somebody's going to happen and how people are invested,

1511
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:38.199
<v Speaker 4>and then it's just like whoa, the investment is even

1512
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:41.239
<v Speaker 4>more and we're just trying to figure it out as

1513
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:44.079
<v Speaker 4>we go. But I just getting through one day at

1514
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:45.960
<v Speaker 4>a time. When he says one day at a time,

1515
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:49.039
<v Speaker 4>like he, I believe he's living it and he means it,

1516
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:52.880
<v Speaker 4>and he's exhausted, but he's really excited about just the

1517
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:56.359
<v Speaker 4>general momentum of BYU athletics and the even the Olympic

1518
01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:59.720
<v Speaker 4>sports you talked about with you know my gosh sober

1519
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.960
<v Speaker 4>Metal from the Paris Olympics, and and one of the

1520
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:05.680
<v Speaker 4>runners being nominated for NC double Woman of the Year

1521
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:09.840
<v Speaker 4>a Lexi Halliday Lowry and just national championships being won

1522
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:13.439
<v Speaker 4>in track and field on top of a nice pedigree

1523
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.720
<v Speaker 4>that you already have with women's volleyball and soccer. And

1524
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.960
<v Speaker 4>so yeah, pretty pretty wild time. But can be what

1525
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:21.600
<v Speaker 4>you prised the occasion. I think it's something that we're

1526
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:23.680
<v Speaker 4>all very interesting to see before.

1527
01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:24.079
<v Speaker 3>We say you lose.

1528
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:26.640
<v Speaker 2>You probably can't talk about the Dean Rucker kid, right,

1529
01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:29.199
<v Speaker 2>the new the new prospect that's time for twenty six.

1530
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:33.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it's funny like we can't talk about him

1531
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:36.760
<v Speaker 4>on a university based program like say his name officially,

1532
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:39.039
<v Speaker 4>but on your show, I'm happy, it's happy to talk

1533
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:42.920
<v Speaker 4>about him. Yet Bean's just another another big get, like

1534
01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:47.039
<v Speaker 4>another four star guy and another important in state win

1535
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:51.640
<v Speaker 4>for Kevin Young. He uh. He kind of reminds me

1536
01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.920
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of Lee Kamarde honestly, in in in

1537
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.359
<v Speaker 4>what he does, and he's a little I think I

1538
01:12:57.399 --> 01:13:01.199
<v Speaker 4>don't think he'll be as skinny as Lee lovely, but

1539
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:04.079
<v Speaker 4>I really like what he what he brings to b

1540
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:06.960
<v Speaker 4>with basketball, and you know, no question, it's hard for

1541
01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:09.279
<v Speaker 4>a young man like that not to notice what's been

1542
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:11.800
<v Speaker 4>happening at the Annex and seeing the likes of AJ

1543
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:14.960
<v Speaker 4>DeVonta and Rob right the third, Richie Saunders and these

1544
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:18.640
<v Speaker 4>big time star guys and watching practice and like there's yeah,

1545
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:23.560
<v Speaker 4>there's real energy there. So huge, huge good get for BYU.

1546
01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:26.439
<v Speaker 4>Really like his game and man, I think he's going

1547
01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:27.800
<v Speaker 4>to score a lot of points for BYU.

1548
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.439
<v Speaker 2>To expand the question to more of a macro standpoint,

1549
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:34.720
<v Speaker 2>I know you referenced that BYU fans would prefer to

1550
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:36.920
<v Speaker 2>fly under the radar, Well, I don't know how many

1551
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:41.199
<v Speaker 2>people really understand what this basketball team has. November fifteenth,

1552
01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Yukon in Boston, and look, it's it's really tough, Spencer,

1553
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:48.640
<v Speaker 2>because you know me, I'm a basketball guy and I

1554
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:50.800
<v Speaker 2>love college hoops. I know a lot of people around

1555
01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:52.760
<v Speaker 2>here don't and think it's changed in a way that

1556
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:54.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, for people like us that grew up with

1557
01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Duke and UNLV and those great Utah teams in the

1558
01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:59.800
<v Speaker 2>nineties and some great BYU teams back in the day,

1559
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:03.199
<v Speaker 2>maybe it doesn't land the way I once did, and

1560
01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:06.680
<v Speaker 2>because of the nature of the tournament, I always hesitate

1561
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:09.199
<v Speaker 2>to say you should go to a final four, you

1562
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:12.199
<v Speaker 2>should be a final four team, because every year there's

1563
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:15.359
<v Speaker 2>a sprained ankle and then there's a random super senior

1564
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:17.720
<v Speaker 2>that hits twelve threes and suddenly you're going home like

1565
01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:21.520
<v Speaker 2>crazy things happen in the tournament. Yeah, but I'm going

1566
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.680
<v Speaker 2>to say, on paper, this should be a team that,

1567
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.680
<v Speaker 2>if things go their way and they stay healthy, a

1568
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.600
<v Speaker 2>final four is a legit possibility. It's not just AJ,

1569
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:32.720
<v Speaker 2>It's the Rob Wright kid, Canard Davis comes in from

1570
01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Southern Illinois. They get Richie Back, top end NBA talent, depth,

1571
01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:39.159
<v Speaker 2>and a coach who's proven he could do it. Our

1572
01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:43.239
<v Speaker 2>BYU fans seeming in your mind to understand what they're

1573
01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:45.560
<v Speaker 2>in for. Even though everyone's excited about football, this is

1574
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:46.359
<v Speaker 2>a basketball team.

1575
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:48.199
<v Speaker 3>Unlike that I think anyone's seen down there.

1576
01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:50.520
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and.

1577
01:14:52.079 --> 01:14:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Come on, let's be real, Like as exciting as football is,

1578
01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:00.279
<v Speaker 4>I feel like there is a strong growing content of

1579
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:03.119
<v Speaker 4>the fan base that is more excited about BA basketball

1580
01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:07.039
<v Speaker 4>because this is a brand new stratosphere and this isn't

1581
01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:10.560
<v Speaker 4>just you know, going to another level. They've taken this

1582
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:15.560
<v Speaker 4>thing another ten levels up and that honestly, it's kind

1583
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:19.239
<v Speaker 4>of hard for fans to not be a little scared

1584
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:22.159
<v Speaker 4>and have some trepidation about, oh gosh, like do we

1585
01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:24.520
<v Speaker 4>really want to go all in on like this this

1586
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:27.359
<v Speaker 4>idea that Boa could go to their second lead in

1587
01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:29.680
<v Speaker 4>and then maybe get to their first ever final four.

1588
01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:36.960
<v Speaker 4>It's just like this this emotional disconnect because it hasn't

1589
01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.880
<v Speaker 4>ever legitimately since maybe when Jim or for Debt and

1590
01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Brandon Davies was still in the mace like that year

1591
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:45.520
<v Speaker 4>was like, oh my gosh, boy really is good. But

1592
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:47.600
<v Speaker 4>even then they had time to like kind of work

1593
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:50.720
<v Speaker 4>into that. This is you're starting the season and you

1594
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:55.760
<v Speaker 4>got you know, several local broadcasters yourself included, me included,

1595
01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:59.600
<v Speaker 4>and national guys John Rothstein and Franceschila are saying, a

1596
01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:02.159
<v Speaker 4>BA is final four good. They are final four good.

1597
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:07.760
<v Speaker 4>We've never experienced that in Happy Valley like that's it

1598
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:11.720
<v Speaker 4>hasn't ever been there. So it just feel like there's

1599
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:15.439
<v Speaker 4>some hesitation to fully embrace it because the fear of

1600
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.840
<v Speaker 4>maybe being disappointed. But come on, let's let's this is

1601
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:21.159
<v Speaker 4>what sports are about, like is what being a fan

1602
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:24.439
<v Speaker 4>is about? Just go all in, understand that this that

1603
01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:27.880
<v Speaker 4>this talent level is unlike anything we've ever seen before,

1604
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:34.199
<v Speaker 4>and and go with it. And if if health remains good, Yeah,

1605
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:36.960
<v Speaker 4>the U y U is Final four good. Which is

1606
01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:40.239
<v Speaker 4>a crazy thing for me to say, and even I

1607
01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:43.319
<v Speaker 4>am still trying to come around to like fully diving

1608
01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:45.840
<v Speaker 4>into that. But I've been in practice, I've seeing them

1609
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.560
<v Speaker 4>like they are. It's is just another level they They

1610
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:52.640
<v Speaker 4>are absolutely good enough to get to an elit day

1611
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:54.640
<v Speaker 4>and and make history and get to a.

1612
01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Final four, no doubt. I buddy, appreciate the time. As

1613
01:16:57.560 --> 01:16:59.720
<v Speaker 2>one of the last Spencer standing. I always enjoy a

1614
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.520
<v Speaker 2>commerce stations. Have a great week. We'll chat soon. Okay,

1615
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:06.960
<v Speaker 2>all right, Spencer Litton b YU tv B, why you

1616
01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:09.800
<v Speaker 2>still looking for a quarterback? Prior to their opener against

1617
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Portland State. Speaking of driving my car, the minivan is back.

1618
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:16.479
<v Speaker 3>Here we go.

1619
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:20.720
<v Speaker 2>George Niang has made his triumph for return to play

1620
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:25.199
<v Speaker 2>for the Utah Jazz. I got to admit, and this

1621
01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:29.760
<v Speaker 2>mostly is a me problem. I think most nicknames are horrific,

1622
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and I think most nicknames that broadcasters try to make up.

1623
01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:36.640
<v Speaker 3>Are really really bad. The Minivan's pretty good. I like it.

1624
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:37.199
<v Speaker 3>It's not bad.

1625
01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:42.159
<v Speaker 2>And also I believe it was George himself who nicknamed uh.

1626
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:45.119
<v Speaker 2>He coined the nickname himself because I think he was

1627
01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:50.439
<v Speaker 2>asked a question about like Donovan's athleticism and he said

1628
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:54.800
<v Speaker 2>something like Donovan's like a I don't know, nice Lamborghini

1629
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:55.239
<v Speaker 2>or something.

1630
01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:58.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm just more like a minivan because it, excuse me,

1631
01:17:58.359 --> 01:17:58.680
<v Speaker 3>it works.

1632
01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:02.720
<v Speaker 2>George is not, how to put this gently, George is

1633
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:05.680
<v Speaker 2>not built the way that most high level NBA players

1634
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:06.079
<v Speaker 2>are built.

1635
01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Is that fair to say?

1636
01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:13.840
<v Speaker 5>George is built literally as he is like a guy

1637
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:17.800
<v Speaker 5>who has had a lot of beers in Iowa, which

1638
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:19.479
<v Speaker 5>he has done. A lot of beers and a lot

1639
01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:21.600
<v Speaker 5>of corn. That's George Neian.

1640
01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:26.920
<v Speaker 2>And also George lived in the same apartment complex I

1641
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:28.640
<v Speaker 2>did for a while. He lived up with the NBA

1642
01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:30.960
<v Speaker 2>players like Derek favors like the nice apartments.

1643
01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:33.079
<v Speaker 3>I was in a normal person apartment of course, sure.

1644
01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:38.680
<v Speaker 2>And I can tell you walking into certain pool scenarios

1645
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:44.359
<v Speaker 2>or party scenarios in said facility. He likes to have

1646
01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:44.840
<v Speaker 2>a good time.

1647
01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he does.

1648
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:52.319
<v Speaker 5>You know you you always hear stuff about guys that

1649
01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:57.880
<v Speaker 5>are are, you know, playing here. George was always apparently

1650
01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:00.960
<v Speaker 5>having a really good having a really good time.

1651
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:02.560
<v Speaker 3>I think he will continue to do so.

1652
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:05.479
<v Speaker 5>Luckily in Salt Lake, You're not gonna like get into

1653
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:09.880
<v Speaker 5>much trouble if you're just outsmashing natty lights like it,

1654
01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:13.760
<v Speaker 5>it appears George George likes to do. But I think

1655
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:17.760
<v Speaker 5>he's also a guy who maybe not you know, an

1656
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:20.479
<v Speaker 5>elite defender, good locker room guy.

1657
01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Whenever somebody says good locker room guy's code for he's

1658
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:26.000
<v Speaker 2>not very good at basketball.

1659
01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:28.119
<v Speaker 3>Do you think George? Do you think George is a

1660
01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:28.920
<v Speaker 3>natty light guy?

1661
01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:33.479
<v Speaker 5>I think I at least at one time saw him

1662
01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:37.680
<v Speaker 5>drinking a natty light, but you know, maybe not specific

1663
01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:41.520
<v Speaker 5>to that. I don't think he's a bad NBA player,

1664
01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:44.399
<v Speaker 5>and I think he plays beyond sometimes what is like

1665
01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:49.720
<v Speaker 5>physical limitations might appear really good ball mover. I think

1666
01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:53.479
<v Speaker 5>he's a really good communicator on the floor, So you know,

1667
01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:55.159
<v Speaker 5>could be worse.

1668
01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:56.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a low risk move.

1669
01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:59.880
<v Speaker 2>The Jazz get two second round picks attached, and essentially

1670
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:03.760
<v Speaker 2>it's taking on George's salary for a player in r

1671
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:06.680
<v Speaker 2>J Luis that probably was not going to play. And

1672
01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the Celtics said, okay, if you take Kniang's salary will

1673
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:12.039
<v Speaker 2>also attach two second round picks to it. The Boston

1674
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:16.239
<v Speaker 2>motivation is getting under the second apron. George is thirty two.

1675
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:19.199
<v Speaker 2>That makes me feel old. I feel like you just

1676
01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:21.600
<v Speaker 2>came into the league. He was a really good four

1677
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:26.359
<v Speaker 2>year player at Iowa State. Ultimately, this is not a

1678
01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:29.880
<v Speaker 2>trade that means anything. To Porter's point, he's a vet

1679
01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:32.399
<v Speaker 2>that knows the city. He's a vet that knows how

1680
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:36.840
<v Speaker 2>to be a pro. And honestly, because of that approach,

1681
01:20:37.439 --> 01:20:40.079
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of a little Jared dudleysh Like Jared Dudley

1682
01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the final four or five year of his career, couldn't

1683
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:45.680
<v Speaker 2>play at a twenty four hour fitness but a pro

1684
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:48.279
<v Speaker 2>that did everything the right way. And so if you're

1685
01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:50.640
<v Speaker 2>a GM and you want a low risk addition to

1686
01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:52.199
<v Speaker 2>your locker room, you could do a lot worse than

1687
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:52.880
<v Speaker 2>a guy like George.

1688
01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:53.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeh.

1689
01:20:53.319 --> 01:20:58.399
<v Speaker 5>Well, and you go to like a college campus and Spence,

1690
01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:01.840
<v Speaker 5>there are multiple since is where there's a former player

1691
01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:04.840
<v Speaker 5>who he might not be on the coaching staff, but

1692
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:08.399
<v Speaker 5>he's there and he's getting paid and he's practicing. Sometimes

1693
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:11.399
<v Speaker 5>he's in uniform, sometimes he's doing film cut up. Sometimes

1694
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:15.600
<v Speaker 5>he's like, this is something that you know, you don't

1695
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:18.560
<v Speaker 5>see it in the NBA on that level, But you

1696
01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:21.439
<v Speaker 5>can't have a guy where he's on your roster and

1697
01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:25.039
<v Speaker 5>he's not necessarily on your roster to be a rotation piece.

1698
01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:29.079
<v Speaker 5>He's on your roster to help young players number one

1699
01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:32.680
<v Speaker 5>learn a system that he already knows, learn you know,

1700
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:36.039
<v Speaker 5>a lot of basketball and NBA things that he already knows.

1701
01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:38.840
<v Speaker 5>And I think George Ying is a pretty good candidate

1702
01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:41.439
<v Speaker 5>for that. And like you said, he's familiar with the city,

1703
01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:46.720
<v Speaker 5>he's familiar with the organization, and yeah, all all accounts,

1704
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:47.760
<v Speaker 5>he's a he's a pretty good guy.

1705
01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Are we back to the moniker that pops can't raise pops?

1706
01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:52.680
<v Speaker 2>You remember last year when they signed Patty Mills and

1707
01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Drew you Banks and we're like, what the hell are

1708
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:57.239
<v Speaker 2>you doing right? And Xanik or whoever would address to

1709
01:21:57.279 --> 01:21:58.880
<v Speaker 2>me and it's like, hey, pops can't raise pops.

1710
01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:01.199
<v Speaker 3>And then this it's all pups.

1711
01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:03.840
<v Speaker 2>So are we gonna hear somebody under the phrase when

1712
01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:06.039
<v Speaker 2>they announced this once again the pups can't race.

1713
01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:09.640
<v Speaker 5>Pups, Well, you know pups. They can't raise pups in

1714
01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:13.800
<v Speaker 5>the wild, just they don't. They don't get anywhere. So

1715
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:17.319
<v Speaker 5>if it's just pups, they have to figure it out

1716
01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:20.119
<v Speaker 5>in some way. But it may not be pretty, but

1717
01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:20.880
<v Speaker 5>they'll figure it out.

1718
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:23.159
<v Speaker 2>But if a pup figures it out without like a

1719
01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:25.680
<v Speaker 2>savvy guide, doesn't that pup turn out to be like

1720
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:26.960
<v Speaker 2>a badass wolf or something?

1721
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:29.119
<v Speaker 3>Can be I'm stretching, you're the you're the nature ex

1722
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:30.399
<v Speaker 3>can be Okay.

1723
01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:32.600
<v Speaker 5>You know, some sort of lone wolf. I think so

1724
01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:36.039
<v Speaker 5>it'll uh, you know, iron sharpens iron. So if if

1725
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:39.439
<v Speaker 5>these guys are, if these guys are you know, working

1726
01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:41.720
<v Speaker 5>towards the same goal, I don't know, maybe they'll help them.

1727
01:22:42.319 --> 01:22:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Iron does sharpen. Do you think the Jazz have a

1728
01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:46.119
<v Speaker 2>next man up mentality?

1729
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:47.760
<v Speaker 3>Maybe not yet.

1730
01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:51.159
<v Speaker 5>They need they need the starters in order to have

1731
01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:53.600
<v Speaker 5>the next rod. You need five in order to have

1732
01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:54.159
<v Speaker 5>the next man up.

1733
01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.399
<v Speaker 3>That's true. They need more than like one good player. Uh.

1734
01:22:57.479 --> 01:23:01.159
<v Speaker 2>George's best year was probably in the year after he

1735
01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:01.920
<v Speaker 2>left the Jazz.

1736
01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:03.800
<v Speaker 3>He had a decent year in Cleveland when he was

1737
01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:06.359
<v Speaker 3>reunited with Donovan. It's been kind of interesting.

1738
01:23:06.479 --> 01:23:09.720
<v Speaker 2>So he leaves the Jazz in twenty one, goes to

1739
01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Philly and then lands in Cleveland, plays with Donovan again

1740
01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:16.520
<v Speaker 2>and actually spend some time with Atlanta last year, playing

1741
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:19.920
<v Speaker 2>with Quinn in twenty eight games for Atlanta last year.

1742
01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Twelve points. Why am I reading George Niang stats on air?

1743
01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:23.479
<v Speaker 3>You know what?

1744
01:23:23.479 --> 01:23:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Whatever? None of this is pertinent to the role he's

1745
01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:30.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna play for the Utah Jazz. To Porter's point, a

1746
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:32.560
<v Speaker 2>vet safe, you know, safe guy that you can bring

1747
01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:34.760
<v Speaker 2>into the locker room, show the players, young players how

1748
01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:37.199
<v Speaker 2>to be a pro, knows the city. Don't know how

1749
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:40.600
<v Speaker 2>familiar he is with will, but an unexpected move made

1750
01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:41.760
<v Speaker 2>by the Utah Jazz today.

1751
01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:42.000
<v Speaker 4>R J.

1752
01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Luis is a Boston Celtic.

1753
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:46.359
<v Speaker 2>George and Yang and two second round picks come this

1754
01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:50.119
<v Speaker 2>way to Salt Lake for the Utah Jazz ESPN seven

1755
01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:52.680
<v Speaker 2>hundred twelve. Some of us were pleased to welcome Simple

1756
01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Plan with Bowling for Soup.

1757
01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:56.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why I find that band name so funny.

1758
01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Simple Plan Bowling for Soup and three zero zero three

1759
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:03.439
<v Speaker 2>to the Plaza at America First Field, August sixteenth, twenty

1760
01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:05.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty five. Make sure to tune in to the Shot

1761
01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:08.159
<v Speaker 2>O'Connell show for your chance to score a pair of

1762
01:24:08.199 --> 01:24:12.920
<v Speaker 2>tickets to Simple Plan Bowllying for Soup and three zero

1763
01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:16.560
<v Speaker 2>h three at the Plazat America First Field, August sixteenth,

1764
01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:20.079
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. Smithy's going to join us today forty

1765
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:24.239
<v Speaker 2>years with Utah Jazz. Jazz made a trade today George

1766
01:24:24.279 --> 01:24:26.479
<v Speaker 2>Dyang on his way back to Saul Lake to play

1767
01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:28.800
<v Speaker 2>for Will Hardy in the Utah Jazz. Two second round

1768
01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:30.079
<v Speaker 2>picks attached to that deal.

1769
01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:31.000
<v Speaker 4>R J.

1770
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Luis heads to the Boston Celtics. But let's do some

1771
01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:37.399
<v Speaker 2>more college football. And I just never know what's going

1772
01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:39.760
<v Speaker 2>to happen when our next guest is on the show,

1773
01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:43.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's always entertaining. Dave bar two College Football Matrix.

1774
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:46.119
<v Speaker 2>All right, Dave, where are you at? What are you doing?

1775
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:50.960
<v Speaker 8>Dude? I swear I'm sober for this show man, come

1776
01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:53.199
<v Speaker 8>on break all right?

1777
01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:55.840
<v Speaker 3>No, but but for real, where are you right now?

1778
01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:56.680
<v Speaker 4>No?

1779
01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:01.159
<v Speaker 8>I'm actually I'm sitting on my deck and right next

1780
01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:05.159
<v Speaker 8>to me is my bow because I just got done

1781
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:08.960
<v Speaker 8>building a whole new arrow set up for archery season,

1782
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:12.760
<v Speaker 8>and I'm sighting in my bow from twenty to sixty

1783
01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:13.479
<v Speaker 8>yards right now.

1784
01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, fair enough, I'm going to dig deeper

1785
01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:19.199
<v Speaker 2>and ask for some fun off season stories. Where have

1786
01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:22.520
<v Speaker 2>your travels taken you during the college football off season.

1787
01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:26.239
<v Speaker 8>Probably the best college football one in South Carolina for

1788
01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:31.439
<v Speaker 8>a week. We have a new program for early player identification,

1789
01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:37.119
<v Speaker 8>for athletics and just just finding kids either off the

1790
01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:40.800
<v Speaker 8>beaten path or before anybody else does, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

1791
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:45.279
<v Speaker 8>fifteen year olds before they get the camp. And I

1792
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.039
<v Speaker 8>kind of toured the state, rolling the whole thing out statewide.

1793
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:51.920
<v Speaker 8>So really excited about the direction of that.

1794
01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Very nice so around these parts University of Utah football

1795
01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:00.560
<v Speaker 2>fans hopeful that last year was a moment in time

1796
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.319
<v Speaker 2>and not the new normal for Utah football. What gives

1797
01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:05.079
<v Speaker 2>you the most confidence that year two in the Big

1798
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>twelve will look better for Utah than year one?

1799
01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:07.079
<v Speaker 3>Did?

1800
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:11.319
<v Speaker 8>Dave all of it every day. I mean, you know,

1801
01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:17.399
<v Speaker 8>I still look. I know fans love recency bias, right,

1802
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:19.279
<v Speaker 8>That's the biggest thing about being a fan of what

1803
01:26:19.359 --> 01:26:23.000
<v Speaker 8>happened last game, what happened last month, what happened last year.

1804
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:26.039
<v Speaker 8>And there's probably a lot of people, you know, pushing

1805
01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:30.079
<v Speaker 8>the panic button, but you know, years like that happened,

1806
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:33.880
<v Speaker 8>and I still go back to my position on where

1807
01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:36.439
<v Speaker 8>it was a year ago. It is one of the

1808
01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.439
<v Speaker 8>most talented teams in the Big Twelve. It is one

1809
01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:40.119
<v Speaker 8>of the best coach teams in the Big twelve, got

1810
01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:42.239
<v Speaker 8>one of the best head coaches in the Big twelve.

1811
01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:44.520
<v Speaker 8>None of that has changed. Okay, you had a bad year,

1812
01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:47.319
<v Speaker 8>I get it, and that's called college football. Stuff happens.

1813
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:51.000
<v Speaker 8>But in my opinion, I don't think there's another team

1814
01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:55.159
<v Speaker 8>in college football that has the ability to bounce back

1815
01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:57.880
<v Speaker 8>from twenty twenty four as hard as Utai Youth.

1816
01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I know I asked you this every time you join,

1817
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:03.039
<v Speaker 2>but just for listeners that may not be familiar. One

1818
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:06.000
<v Speaker 2>of the things you do that I've always enjoyed learning

1819
01:27:06.039 --> 01:27:09.520
<v Speaker 2>about is you ranked stats, You rank coaches, you rank coordinators.

1820
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:13.600
<v Speaker 2>So Utah once again coach wit is back, Morgan scally coach,

1821
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:17.159
<v Speaker 2>and waiting defensive coordinator, but new offensive coordinator Jason Beck.

1822
01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>How do you analyze and rank the current iteration of

1823
01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:21.239
<v Speaker 2>the Utah coaches?

1824
01:27:22.039 --> 01:27:26.159
<v Speaker 8>Well, what we like his upside. Now, he hasn't been

1825
01:27:26.199 --> 01:27:30.279
<v Speaker 8>an offensive coordinators, he hasn't handled enough game to get

1826
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.840
<v Speaker 8>a full OC grade relative to everybody else, but we

1827
01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:37.880
<v Speaker 8>have a really good trend on him, and as a

1828
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:42.399
<v Speaker 8>young offensive coordinator, we like the direction that he is going.

1829
01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:45.680
<v Speaker 8>So we're real positive about it, but at the same

1830
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:49.439
<v Speaker 8>time not a big sample size, so let's not get

1831
01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:53.319
<v Speaker 8>too far over the skis. But I cannot say I

1832
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.720
<v Speaker 8>don't dislike the higher I like the risk, and I

1833
01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:59.479
<v Speaker 8>think there's a lot of upside to what he brings

1834
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:00.600
<v Speaker 8>to the table going forward.

1835
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:04.840
<v Speaker 2>He also brings a quarterback that this program badly needed,

1836
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and Cam Rising will always be a legend around here

1837
01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of Pac twelve championships, but the poor

1838
01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:12.119
<v Speaker 2>kid could not stay healthy.

1839
01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Cam moves on.

1840
01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:17.399
<v Speaker 2>He's now the offensive coordinator of his high school, so

1841
01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:20.399
<v Speaker 2>he'll be entering the coaching ranks. But what's the Dave

1842
01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Bartwo take on the new QB one here in Salt Lake.

1843
01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:26.239
<v Speaker 8>Devin Dampier, Well, you know something, what I would do

1844
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:30.560
<v Speaker 8>with any quarterback it doesn't matter, is you know how

1845
01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:33.560
<v Speaker 8>many starts has he had and what did he do

1846
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:38.319
<v Speaker 8>to elevate his team relative to expectations? Kind of like

1847
01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:41.600
<v Speaker 8>coach with what has he done with the talent to

1848
01:28:41.640 --> 01:28:45.479
<v Speaker 8>elevate the team beyond what he recruited? So I guess

1849
01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:48.760
<v Speaker 8>I would ask the question of anybody you know with

1850
01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:54.159
<v Speaker 8>the new quarterback, how many starts and did he elevate

1851
01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:57.239
<v Speaker 8>the team? Beyond what people expected out of him. And

1852
01:28:57.279 --> 01:29:00.520
<v Speaker 8>if the answer is positive, then I don't know how

1853
01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:02.680
<v Speaker 8>you not be positive about what he brings to Utah.

1854
01:29:03.359 --> 01:29:08.800
<v Speaker 2>The dynamic of moving up in competition, whereas New Mexico

1855
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Mound West Conference School and now Devin dan Pier is

1856
01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:15.079
<v Speaker 2>playing in the Big Twelve. Certainly plenty of examples, namely

1857
01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:18.199
<v Speaker 2>cam Ward recently number one overall pick of players who've

1858
01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:20.319
<v Speaker 2>been able to make that jump and do it at

1859
01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:22.119
<v Speaker 2>a very high level. I don't know if you have

1860
01:29:22.279 --> 01:29:24.880
<v Speaker 2>data for this, but when it comes to, you know,

1861
01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:27.800
<v Speaker 2>a group of five quarterbacks making the move into what

1862
01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:28.760
<v Speaker 2>now is the P four?

1863
01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:30.880
<v Speaker 3>What sort of insights you have there?

1864
01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:34.960
<v Speaker 8>Nothing really other than like I said, is did they

1865
01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:38.000
<v Speaker 8>elevate where they're at before? Look at cam Woard. Did

1866
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:41.760
<v Speaker 8>he elevate incarnate word yep? Did he elevate wise in

1867
01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:42.159
<v Speaker 8>a state?

1868
01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Yep?

1869
01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:44.840
<v Speaker 8>Did he elevate Miami?

1870
01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:45.720
<v Speaker 7>Oh my gosh.

1871
01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

1872
01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:49.000
<v Speaker 8>He made a guy with almost no play calling experience

1873
01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:53.279
<v Speaker 8>in Shannon look awesome. Right, you know, look at Pabia

1874
01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:56.920
<v Speaker 8>New Mexico State to Vanderbilt. Boom elevated New Mexico State.

1875
01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:01.079
<v Speaker 8>Now he's elevating Vanderbilt. So while you say. People would

1876
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:03.920
<v Speaker 8>like to say, well, it's really hard to make that job.

1877
01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:06.880
<v Speaker 8>I just go with kind of like what I do

1878
01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:09.880
<v Speaker 8>with coaching. If you're good, you stay good no matter

1879
01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:12.520
<v Speaker 8>where you're at. You know what, would Morgan scally be

1880
01:30:12.520 --> 01:30:16.039
<v Speaker 8>a good DC at any any place in the country. Yeah, right,

1881
01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:17.680
<v Speaker 8>he can go to Alabama, he's gonna be really good.

1882
01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:21.319
<v Speaker 8>Good in New Mexico's gonna be really good. So you know,

1883
01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:24.439
<v Speaker 8>the New Mexico offense, everything was solid down there. He

1884
01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:29.560
<v Speaker 8>certainly won above expectation, and so my take would be

1885
01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:32.279
<v Speaker 8>I expect him to win above expectations as at Utah

1886
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:33.760
<v Speaker 8>as well.

1887
01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:34.119
<v Speaker 3>Morgan.

1888
01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:36.840
<v Speaker 2>As you know, Dave is the coach in waiting, and

1889
01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:38.960
<v Speaker 2>there are more than a few people that believe that

1890
01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:41.439
<v Speaker 2>transition will happen at the end of next season. I

1891
01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>don't know, you know, when it comes to coach Wit,

1892
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I've always said, as long as he's under contract, he's

1893
01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:49.399
<v Speaker 2>the coach. And like when he decided to come back

1894
01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:51.840
<v Speaker 2>this year, there was a press release, there was a

1895
01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>very simple statement, and I just wasn't surprised based off

1896
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:57.319
<v Speaker 2>of the disappointment of a year ago, and Kyle was

1897
01:30:57.439 --> 01:31:00.640
<v Speaker 2>very honest during Big twelve media days that that disappointment

1898
01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:04.119
<v Speaker 2>did color the context of his decision making process. But

1899
01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:07.119
<v Speaker 2>I know you also analyzed, you know, coordinators in addition

1900
01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:10.479
<v Speaker 2>to head coaches. So shouldn't the transition happen next year?

1901
01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:13.359
<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts on the potential of Kyle stepping

1902
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:15.439
<v Speaker 2>down and Morgan sliding over a seat.

1903
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:16.399
<v Speaker 3>What do you think that looks like?

1904
01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:20.840
<v Speaker 8>Well, I think a lot of it depends on on

1905
01:31:20.880 --> 01:31:24.920
<v Speaker 8>two things in particular, certainly the culture continuity. The coaching

1906
01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:27.479
<v Speaker 8>continuity is going to be there, But I think it

1907
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:31.319
<v Speaker 8>depends on how good the offenses this year. Does Morgan

1908
01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:34.119
<v Speaker 8>have to make a team this year or when he

1909
01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:37.760
<v Speaker 8>comes in and who's he bringing in as a defensive coordinator?

1910
01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:39.319
<v Speaker 8>Is he going to call the players for the first

1911
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:43.000
<v Speaker 8>couple of years and take less risk or is he

1912
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:46.439
<v Speaker 8>going to go next man up, promote somebody behind him,

1913
01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:48.880
<v Speaker 8>or is he going to bring a DC in brand

1914
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:53.640
<v Speaker 8>new altogether. So there's a lot of pieces in terms

1915
01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:56.720
<v Speaker 8>of that puzzle and answering that question. I think it

1916
01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:00.079
<v Speaker 8>really is going to revolve around how much step thin

1917
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:03.439
<v Speaker 8>Morgan has to do and how much staffing he's willing

1918
01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:05.760
<v Speaker 8>to do when that time comes.

1919
01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:10.439
<v Speaker 2>So ultimately, last year the Big Twelve preseason media poll

1920
01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:13.319
<v Speaker 2>proved you know that none of us know anything as

1921
01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:16.720
<v Speaker 2>far as what we're talking about. It was wild the

1922
01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:20.199
<v Speaker 2>way it was flipped up upside down. And we didn't

1923
01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:22.439
<v Speaker 2>do a preseason media pool in the Big Twelve this year,

1924
01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:25.000
<v Speaker 2>which is probably the right thing to do, so we

1925
01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:27.960
<v Speaker 2>all don't look like morons. But in addition to Utah,

1926
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:30.119
<v Speaker 2>who you like, who else in the Big Twelve do

1927
01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:31.760
<v Speaker 2>you think will have a chance to be standing at

1928
01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:32.039
<v Speaker 2>the end.

1929
01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:34.720
<v Speaker 8>Well, I think you got to go with your best

1930
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:37.520
<v Speaker 8>talent and your best coaching, right, I mean your best talent.

1931
01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:41.560
<v Speaker 8>Your best coaching is still Utah, really good head coach

1932
01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:46.079
<v Speaker 8>still Kansas State. I know everybody loves Arizona State, and

1933
01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:49.439
<v Speaker 8>I love Arizona State simply because I think Sam Levitt

1934
01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:54.640
<v Speaker 8>is just an amazing quarterback. You know, because if you

1935
01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:57.720
<v Speaker 8>look at their offensive coordinator Arroyo, when he doesn't have

1936
01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:01.920
<v Speaker 8>an awesome NFL quarterback justin Herbert, Oregon, he is a bad,

1937
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:06.600
<v Speaker 8>bad offensive coordinator. So I think one of the easiest

1938
01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:11.439
<v Speaker 8>measuring sticks of teams regressing and progressing is looked at

1939
01:33:11.439 --> 01:33:14.800
<v Speaker 8>their recruiting levels. And so I think Arizona State, I

1940
01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:19.399
<v Speaker 8>think Colorado. Both those teams last year played way above

1941
01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:21.399
<v Speaker 8>their expectations. So I think we're going to see some

1942
01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:24.119
<v Speaker 8>regression there. I think you're going to see some progression

1943
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:26.479
<v Speaker 8>in Utah. I think it's going to be Kansas State.

1944
01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:30.359
<v Speaker 8>And I'm not buying all the excitement with Oklahoma State

1945
01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:33.439
<v Speaker 8>because yeah, Gundhy clean house, but he brought a bunch

1946
01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:36.199
<v Speaker 8>of average fossils into that thing, and I just don't

1947
01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:37.319
<v Speaker 8>think it's gonna work that good.

1948
01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I would imagine by you outshot expectations a year ago

1949
01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:45.760
<v Speaker 2>by a long shot, and even by their own admission.

1950
01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:48.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, we had their athletic director on the show

1951
01:33:48.479 --> 01:33:51.439
<v Speaker 2>during Big twelve media days, Brian Santiago, and I was

1952
01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:55.399
<v Speaker 2>surprised that he actually admitted, because BYU fans don't love

1953
01:33:55.439 --> 01:33:57.199
<v Speaker 2>to admit when they get great luck. He said, the

1954
01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:00.960
<v Speaker 2>ball bounced our way all year long. They they're breaking

1955
01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:03.399
<v Speaker 2>in a new quarterback. Jake Rrett's laugh is now Tulane.

1956
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:04.960
<v Speaker 2>We don't know who the starter is going to be.

1957
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:09.359
<v Speaker 2>If I'm recalling correctly, I think you like Kilanie. They've

1958
01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:11.600
<v Speaker 2>got Aaron Rodgers as their offensive coordinator.

1959
01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:13.600
<v Speaker 3>J Hill. Now year three is their DC.

1960
01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:16.960
<v Speaker 2>What are your expectations for the BYU Cougars this year.

1961
01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:21.439
<v Speaker 8>I do expect a little regression, but Klannie has been

1962
01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:25.720
<v Speaker 8>a plus coach effect for his entire career about a

1963
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:28.279
<v Speaker 8>game and a half, so I think BYU is still

1964
01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:32.600
<v Speaker 8>going to perform above expectations. But I don't think it

1965
01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:34.479
<v Speaker 8>is going to be as the ceiling as high as

1966
01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:36.680
<v Speaker 8>it was last year. I think there just has to

1967
01:34:36.720 --> 01:34:42.119
<v Speaker 8>be some regression in regards to that, but still great

1968
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:44.800
<v Speaker 8>football coaching. Actually, the whole state of Utah, between Utah

1969
01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:49.279
<v Speaker 8>and BYU, even Utah State, now, there is really good

1970
01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:54.560
<v Speaker 8>coaching there. But I do believe and feel that BYU

1971
01:34:54.680 --> 01:34:57.199
<v Speaker 8>is due for a game or two regression in twenty

1972
01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:57.720
<v Speaker 8>twenty five.

1973
01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>How how do you think the QB the storyline will

1974
01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:03.039
<v Speaker 2>affect them. I mean, Jake was eleventh in the Big

1975
01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>twelve last year. In QBR, they won a lot of games,

1976
01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:08.079
<v Speaker 2>again based off of a lot of lucky bounces and

1977
01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:10.840
<v Speaker 2>some really really stout play on the defensive side of

1978
01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:13.119
<v Speaker 2>the football. They return a lot of players on defense,

1979
01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:15.640
<v Speaker 2>They've got a stacked running back room and a lot

1980
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:19.079
<v Speaker 2>of good wide receivers. But whoever takes the snap against

1981
01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Portland State opening Day will be playing quarterback for BYU

1982
01:35:22.039 --> 01:35:22.680
<v Speaker 2>for the first time.

1983
01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:24.239
<v Speaker 3>How do you think that's going to affect him.

1984
01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:27.159
<v Speaker 8>It's got to affect him, right, I mean it is

1985
01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:30.000
<v Speaker 8>unless they get lucky, you know how it is. You

1986
01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:33.039
<v Speaker 8>know in college football, sometimes you just find that diamond

1987
01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:35.319
<v Speaker 8>in the rough and they get coach well and they're

1988
01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:40.239
<v Speaker 8>a great player, you know. But typically kids that do

1989
01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:43.199
<v Speaker 8>great in their first year in college elevated their high

1990
01:35:43.239 --> 01:35:46.239
<v Speaker 8>school team, right, you know, in terms of quarterback effect.

1991
01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:49.399
<v Speaker 8>We just talked about the guy transfer him with back

1992
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:53.399
<v Speaker 8>from New Mexico. So whoever taking the ball at BYU,

1993
01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:56.760
<v Speaker 8>what did he do for his team in terms of

1994
01:35:56.840 --> 01:36:00.600
<v Speaker 8>elevating it. That's what I'd be looking at. But you know, yeah,

1995
01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:03.479
<v Speaker 8>the players are there. It is really hard though, to

1996
01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:07.680
<v Speaker 8>have consistency, I feel in the Big twelve, especially at

1997
01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:10.640
<v Speaker 8>a very high level. The talent's very balanced, the coaching

1998
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.399
<v Speaker 8>is very balanced and very good. I just think it's

1999
01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:16.279
<v Speaker 8>going to be difficult to repeat and put themselves in

2000
01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:18.239
<v Speaker 8>this position where they were last year in terms of

2001
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:20.560
<v Speaker 8>playing for a playoff spot in November.

2002
01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Always a little tongue in cheek about the Coach's poll

2003
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:28.279
<v Speaker 2>that's released that was released on Monday, Ultimately, We've had

2004
01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:30.840
<v Speaker 2>a couple of college football guests on the show since

2005
01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:34.159
<v Speaker 2>the release, and it seems to be a consensus that most,

2006
01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:36.760
<v Speaker 2>if not all coaches don't even fill out the thing.

2007
01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:39.880
<v Speaker 2>It's delegated to an SID or maybe even below that.

2008
01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:43.560
<v Speaker 2>How much stock, if any, Dave do you put in

2009
01:36:43.600 --> 01:36:45.399
<v Speaker 2>the coaches poll that was released on Monday.

2010
01:36:46.159 --> 01:36:49.359
<v Speaker 8>I don't put anything into any of them. It's all

2011
01:36:49.399 --> 01:36:53.039
<v Speaker 8>for entertainment. That's it. All of it's for entertainment. I

2012
01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:55.520
<v Speaker 8>was laughing when your commissioner at Big pels like, we're

2013
01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:59.159
<v Speaker 8>not doing a media poll because it adversely affected our teams. No,

2014
01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:03.680
<v Speaker 8>you're scoring efficiency adversely affected your teams. That's what it was.

2015
01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:07.640
<v Speaker 8>It wasn't that, you know, you weren't good at the beginning. Again,

2016
01:37:07.720 --> 01:37:11.399
<v Speaker 8>that's that's a selection bias that fans have. None of

2017
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:15.920
<v Speaker 8>these polls have any effect. Nobody listening right now can

2018
01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:20.039
<v Speaker 8>show me a correlation year over year to playoff committee

2019
01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:24.279
<v Speaker 8>behavior and preseason polls. It doesn't exist. They used the

2020
01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:27.840
<v Speaker 8>same formula for ranking teams today as they did ten

2021
01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:32.319
<v Speaker 8>years ago, and nothing, whether it's coaches polls or anything else,

2022
01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:36.640
<v Speaker 8>affects that. It's just a wives tale that people like

2023
01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:38.399
<v Speaker 8>to talk about, and I don't believe in it for

2024
01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:41.920
<v Speaker 8>a second. Just enjoy the rankings if your teams are there.

2025
01:37:42.279 --> 01:37:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Well said.

2026
01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Now, Having said that, Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia,

2027
01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame, top five according to your model and your knowledge,

2028
01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:53.720
<v Speaker 2>just generally speaking, best teams in college football this year.

2029
01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.199
<v Speaker 8>Oh jeez man, this is going to be the This

2030
01:37:57.279 --> 01:37:58.600
<v Speaker 8>is going to be might be the best year of

2031
01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:02.319
<v Speaker 8>my life in following football. I have no idea. I

2032
01:38:02.399 --> 01:38:06.239
<v Speaker 8>really don't. I really don't. So last year, the five

2033
01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:08.960
<v Speaker 8>teams that checked off all the boxes to win the

2034
01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:12.239
<v Speaker 8>national title. None of this blue chip ratio crap where

2035
01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:15.239
<v Speaker 8>there's seventeen to twenty teams that could be competing. That's

2036
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:18.399
<v Speaker 8>all a bunch of knockoff bs is what it is.

2037
01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:21.960
<v Speaker 8>Last year that were five, it was Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia,

2038
01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:25.279
<v Speaker 8>Notre Dame in Texas. Those were the only competitors. And

2039
01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:28.600
<v Speaker 8>in the last fifteen years it has always been three

2040
01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:33.079
<v Speaker 8>to five teams, no more, no less. This year there's eight.

2041
01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:36.600
<v Speaker 8>I throw out LSU, not even considering LSU, and I

2042
01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:39.560
<v Speaker 8>throw out Ohio State not even considering them at all.

2043
01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:43.039
<v Speaker 8>But the other top ten recruiters that are out there. Look,

2044
01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:46.439
<v Speaker 8>they were all good last year. They all have good staffs,

2045
01:38:46.720 --> 01:38:49.760
<v Speaker 8>but everybody has a whole Georgia has a new quarterback,

2046
01:38:50.359 --> 01:38:53.439
<v Speaker 8>Alabama has a new quarterback. Texas has a new quarterback.

2047
01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:56.439
<v Speaker 8>You know, you go down the list ten States got

2048
01:38:56.439 --> 01:38:58.720
<v Speaker 8>a new defensive coordinator and they don't recruit in the

2049
01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:02.479
<v Speaker 8>top ten. And Jim Knowle's defense is tough, And whoever

2050
01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:06.720
<v Speaker 8>wins it is going to be probably the least talented

2051
01:39:07.079 --> 01:39:11.399
<v Speaker 8>champion we've had in the last twenty five years. But

2052
01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:13.880
<v Speaker 8>I think the crop of teams that are competing this

2053
01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:18.399
<v Speaker 8>year is bigger than it's ever been, and I'm excited

2054
01:39:18.399 --> 01:39:19.279
<v Speaker 8>to see it play out.

2055
01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:21.199
<v Speaker 3>We follow up the battle Ohio State.

2056
01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:24.279
<v Speaker 2>You're the first person I have heard say what you

2057
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:26.439
<v Speaker 2>just said about them. It feels like a lot of

2058
01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:28.239
<v Speaker 2>people still believe that they have a shot to win

2059
01:39:28.279 --> 01:39:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing.

2060
01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Why are you down on the Buckeyes?

2061
01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:33.039
<v Speaker 8>Oh, I'm not down on them, And certainly they have

2062
01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:34.560
<v Speaker 8>a shot to win the whole thing. They get to

2063
01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:39.760
<v Speaker 8>play a schedule and they're a top ten recruiter. But look, okay,

2064
01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:43.720
<v Speaker 8>they got a new quarterback never played before, right, they

2065
01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:46.399
<v Speaker 8>got a new DC who's never been to DC at

2066
01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:49.399
<v Speaker 8>the collegiate level, and they got a new offensive coordinator

2067
01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:51.800
<v Speaker 8>that has the same amount of play calling experience as

2068
01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:54.159
<v Speaker 8>you and me. Now, I know Ryan Day is right

2069
01:39:54.199 --> 01:39:59.079
<v Speaker 8>there to hold Brian Hartline's hand, But teams with a

2070
01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:06.640
<v Speaker 8>inexperience coordinator offense or defense don't win national titles. They haven't, right,

2071
01:40:07.039 --> 01:40:09.000
<v Speaker 8>I don't think there's one in twenty five years where

2072
01:40:09.039 --> 01:40:11.439
<v Speaker 8>you've got a brand new OC or brand new DC

2073
01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:14.520
<v Speaker 8>that has won a national title. So do I think

2074
01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:17.520
<v Speaker 8>Ohio State still has a chance to repeat? Sure, but

2075
01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:20.079
<v Speaker 8>I put them in the second tier. It wouldn't surprise me,

2076
01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:23.119
<v Speaker 8>but they would still be a pretty big anomaly compared

2077
01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:24.880
<v Speaker 8>to the rest of the teams out there in the

2078
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:26.520
<v Speaker 8>last twenty five national champions.

2079
01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Do you still believe we are headed?

2080
01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:31.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is a topic we talk about around

2081
01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:34.119
<v Speaker 2>here all the time because the Big twelve is a

2082
01:40:34.199 --> 01:40:37.359
<v Speaker 2>fine place to land for now. It is, And if

2083
01:40:37.399 --> 01:40:40.800
<v Speaker 2>you're BYU, if you're Utah, you appreciate the fact that

2084
01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:43.520
<v Speaker 2>you're in a P four conference. But there is this

2085
01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:47.359
<v Speaker 2>storyline narrative that permeates, you know, kind of behind the

2086
01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:50.800
<v Speaker 2>scenes about what this sport is going to look like eventually.

2087
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Do you still kind of believe we're headed towards this

2088
01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:57.079
<v Speaker 2>pro model with two conferences if it's the SEC in

2089
01:40:57.119 --> 01:40:59.439
<v Speaker 2>the Big Ten taking some of the leftovers from some

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<v Speaker 2>of the other conferences, or does it feel like things

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<v Speaker 2>have calmed down at least for the moment.

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<v Speaker 8>Answer a question with a question, do you think America

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<v Speaker 8>is still full of greed and will sell tradition for

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<v Speaker 8>a dollar at any cost?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me do some quick math.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, I do, yeah, yeah, so so yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 8>this is still heading towards this totally sucks. I hate it,

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<v Speaker 8>I really do. You know, as great as this country is,

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<v Speaker 8>tradition is for sale. Everything is to the highest bidder.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, when I hear when I hear talks about

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<v Speaker 8>private equity owning college football programs, think about that private

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01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:37.680
<v Speaker 8>equity owning college football programs and I thought that was

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01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:40.840
<v Speaker 8>a bunch of I thought it was nuts years ago.

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01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:44.319
<v Speaker 8>And now, oh, look at the articles. Oh here's here's

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<v Speaker 8>school valuations coming out that's not by accident, right, So

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01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:53.439
<v Speaker 8>imagine Utah or Oregon or USC or Ohio State now

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01:41:53.479 --> 01:41:58.800
<v Speaker 8>being owned by private equity. Vomit. We already have the

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<v Speaker 8>NFL where there's no upsets, there's no tradition, Nobody cares

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01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:06.800
<v Speaker 8>about their well, they care about their teams, but it's

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01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:09.359
<v Speaker 8>just a bunch of teams that get into the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just.

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<v Speaker 8>We don't need another homogenous football league. But boy, does

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<v Speaker 8>it feel like college football is just absorbing the greed

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01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:24.199
<v Speaker 8>and going right down that same path tradition and everything

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<v Speaker 8>else aside.

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<v Speaker 2>Seems like the topic of collective bargaining and players unionizing

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01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>as a lightning rod.

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<v Speaker 3>And it depends on what side you're on there.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, Dave, I just like you, I don't love

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01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:38.960
<v Speaker 2>the direction, but I'm also a grown up and I

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01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:43.880
<v Speaker 2>understand what capitalism means and when nil became a reality

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01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:46.840
<v Speaker 2>and transfer portal became a reality, I come from a

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01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:50.319
<v Speaker 2>background of pro sports, and so for me, if you

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01:42:50.359 --> 01:42:52.840
<v Speaker 2>want to solve some of these issues, namely keeping kids

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01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:56.079
<v Speaker 2>on campus for at least a couple of years, or

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01:42:56.199 --> 01:42:59.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, bringing some sort of uniformity and what you

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01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:01.880
<v Speaker 2>can pay them, I do believe that the best route

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01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:05.600
<v Speaker 2>is to allow players to unionize and collectively bargain with

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01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:08.600
<v Speaker 2>whatever the powers that be that are running the sport is,

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01:43:08.640 --> 01:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and that changes from day to day.

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01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:11.800
<v Speaker 3>Do you think we're headed in that direction. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>think it's the right thing?

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<v Speaker 8>Man, Two different answers. I don't know what the right

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01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:22.479
<v Speaker 8>thing is because everything changes so quick. Nobody's happy with,

2135
01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:26.039
<v Speaker 8>well what happened last year. It's just an instant oatmeal

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01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:30.279
<v Speaker 8>drive through fast food society, and we don't take time

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<v Speaker 8>to really take a break to think about long term

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01:43:33.159 --> 01:43:37.000
<v Speaker 8>ramifications that feel like so. But to answer your question

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<v Speaker 8>about collective bargaining, understanding laws and rules and so forth,

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<v Speaker 8>of how it's all laid out to me, it almost

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01:43:43.399 --> 01:43:46.880
<v Speaker 8>seems like it's inevitable. But again, how that's put together,

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01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:50.680
<v Speaker 8>what that looks like, when that's going to happen. I

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01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:54.000
<v Speaker 8>don't know when, but every single week, every single month,

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01:43:54.079 --> 01:43:57.359
<v Speaker 8>every single year, it just feels like the tradition and

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01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:00.000
<v Speaker 8>everything that we had in our sport, you know, players

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01:44:00.399 --> 01:44:03.520
<v Speaker 8>being around for four or five years and identifying with

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<v Speaker 8>a school, it just seems to be whittled away. And

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<v Speaker 8>I think part of it, my emotion and attachment to it,

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01:44:09.640 --> 01:44:11.000
<v Speaker 8>gets whittled a way along with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't think you're alone there before you

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01:44:13.920 --> 01:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>say you lose you know, again, along the lines of

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01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:21.800
<v Speaker 2>just accepting what reality is. If the Big ten wants

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01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:25.479
<v Speaker 2>four auto bids, and I know it's the SEC is

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01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:26.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of backed off that.

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<v Speaker 3>Stance a little bit. But if the SEC and the

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01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:29.119
<v Speaker 3>Big ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Want four auto bids for an expanded sixteen team CFP,

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01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:34.479
<v Speaker 2>they're going to get it, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 3>If that's if that's the hill they're going to die on.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, well they got the gold, they make the rules, right,

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01:44:40.119 --> 01:44:43.399
<v Speaker 8>they carry the big stick. Yeah, I guess they can

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01:44:43.439 --> 01:44:46.640
<v Speaker 8>try to die on that hill. That's fine, And you

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01:44:46.680 --> 01:44:48.560
<v Speaker 8>and I both know one year it'll work out. Two

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01:44:48.680 --> 01:44:52.079
<v Speaker 8>or three other years it'll look stupid. But I don't

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<v Speaker 8>blame them trying to leverage their position to ensure as

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01:44:54.840 --> 01:44:58.800
<v Speaker 8>many teams are in this playoffs, no matter how many

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01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:02.159
<v Speaker 8>teams are in there as possible. Can't blame them for that.

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<v Speaker 8>And if that's the direction they ultimately want to go,

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01:45:05.399 --> 01:45:09.000
<v Speaker 8>that's fine. You know, I don't know what any of

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<v Speaker 8>us can do about that in terms of changing that

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01:45:11.439 --> 01:45:15.359
<v Speaker 8>outcome or their demands for automatic bids.

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<v Speaker 2>Last thing, the twelve teams this year. Do you think

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01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:19.039
<v Speaker 2>the Big twelve can get two in?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 8>Sure, sure, you know it just it just depends on

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01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:28.920
<v Speaker 8>how it plays out. Again, the ball's got to bounce right,

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<v Speaker 8>you know. I mean, is it hard to conceive to

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<v Speaker 8>twelve and no teams in the Big Twelve title game?

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<v Speaker 8>Sure it is. You know, is it hard to conceive

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01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:39.960
<v Speaker 8>two teams that are both twelve and one that can

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01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:43.520
<v Speaker 8>get in the playoffs? Yeah it is, but it's possible,

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<v Speaker 8>not probable, because the talent and coaching balance in the

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<v Speaker 8>Big Twelve is really really tough. But you know, look

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<v Speaker 8>what Arizona State did last year. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 8>one of the hopes that we all have in college football.

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<v Speaker 8>Come to number one or week zero or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 8>Is what is going to happen is a mystery to us,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think knowing that any outcome is plausible, I

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01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:14.039
<v Speaker 8>think that's what makes college football still exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>Dave, Thank you, sir for the time, always entertaining.

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<v Speaker 2>Best of luck and whatever incredibly exciting endeavors you have

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01:46:20.279 --> 01:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>coming your way over the.

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<v Speaker 3>Next few weeks, and we'll get you back on again soon. Okay,

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01:46:24.039 --> 01:46:24.680
<v Speaker 3>you know where I'm at.

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01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:26.119
<v Speaker 8>Don't be a stranger, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, Dave bartwo College Football Matrix. Get them on

2197
01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Twitter at CFB matrixes where you found them find him.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, some good stuff there with the coaching dynamics

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<v Speaker 2>in State. One of the things Dave has always done

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<v Speaker 2>that I've found very interesting is he does deep dives

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<v Speaker 2>on coaching staffs. He analyzes his head coaches, coordinators, and

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01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:46.479
<v Speaker 2>then you know, juxtapose that with the talent you have

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01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:48.479
<v Speaker 2>coming back to try to understand the landscape for what

2204
01:46:48.520 --> 01:46:49.840
<v Speaker 2>college football is going to look like.

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01:46:50.840 --> 01:46:51.640
<v Speaker 3>And he nailed it.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to these preseason polls, it's fodder for conversation,

2207
01:46:55.760 --> 01:46:58.359
<v Speaker 2>and if your team is ranked, you enjoy it.

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01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:00.800
<v Speaker 3>If your team is not, you think it's a bunch

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01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:01.520
<v Speaker 3>of bs.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see what the AP brings coming up on Monday

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01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:08.359
<v Speaker 2>after the Coach's Poll was released yesterday. I'm here live

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01:47:08.399 --> 01:47:09.880
<v Speaker 2>in studio because I show up.

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01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:10.840
<v Speaker 3>And I grind.

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<v Speaker 2>Our next guest is Richard Smith, who is probably on

2215
01:47:14.520 --> 01:47:17.560
<v Speaker 2>a beach with his feet up enjoying the sunshine.

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<v Speaker 3>Smitty, where do we find you on this Tuesday afternoon fast?

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01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:25.840
<v Speaker 7>Uh, You're you're missing the lead here. If you you're

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01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:28.399
<v Speaker 7>you're not telling the listeners that you spent a lovely

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01:47:28.479 --> 01:47:32.359
<v Speaker 7>week last week up in beautiful sun Valley, Idaho. Just

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01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:35.840
<v Speaker 7>boss over that and go right into your hard book schedule.

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01:47:35.880 --> 01:47:38.840
<v Speaker 7>I know that you have back again in the studio.

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<v Speaker 7>That's tough to you.

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01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not about yesterday's news. I'm more about where

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01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:47.640
<v Speaker 2>we are today, Smitty. So yes, I am grinding live

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01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>in studio. Where where do we find you? Or would

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01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>you rather just land on a location unknown?

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01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:56.399
<v Speaker 7>Hey spend Now, I had to follow your lead, so

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01:47:56.560 --> 01:47:58.760
<v Speaker 7>you were you you and your family. I know we're

2229
01:47:58.760 --> 01:48:01.399
<v Speaker 7>in Sun Valley last week, and I had to follow

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01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:04.520
<v Speaker 7>that league. So I'm up and I went even further north.

2231
01:48:04.600 --> 01:48:09.039
<v Speaker 7>And sitting out on the deck today at beautiful quarter Lane, Idaho.

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01:48:09.279 --> 01:48:12.680
<v Speaker 7>Who nice and at the Quarter Lane Resort, and we

2233
01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:15.119
<v Speaker 7>had a nice round of golf there yesterday and went

2234
01:48:15.159 --> 01:48:18.439
<v Speaker 7>over to Struggling Raven. It's about twenty minutes oight side

2235
01:48:18.439 --> 01:48:22.279
<v Speaker 7>of Quarterlane today. Another great golf court here, just part

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01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:26.159
<v Speaker 7>of Idaho and just just thirty miles east of Spokane.

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01:48:26.840 --> 01:48:31.840
<v Speaker 7>Tonisy get from the Salt Lake and yeah, having a

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01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:35.439
<v Speaker 7>great time here in great weather up here in northern Idaho.

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01:48:36.119 --> 01:48:38.479
<v Speaker 2>Very nice, very nice. As I often say, it's good

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01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:43.159
<v Speaker 2>to be Richard Smith. So Smitty, some breaking news. As

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01:48:43.239 --> 01:48:46.600
<v Speaker 2>the mini van is making his way back to Salt

2242
01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Lake City, the Utah Jazz made a trade today.

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01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:50.359
<v Speaker 4>R J.

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01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Lewis Junior goes to Boston George Dang and two future

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01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:59.079
<v Speaker 2>second round picks come to the Utah Jazz. Georgia's salary

2246
01:48:59.119 --> 01:49:01.479
<v Speaker 2>is about eight million and change. It goes into the

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01:49:01.479 --> 01:49:04.840
<v Speaker 2>trade exception from the John Collins deal. If you're Boston,

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01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:07.079
<v Speaker 2>you're shedding salary. If if you're the Jazz, I guess

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01:49:07.119 --> 01:49:10.479
<v Speaker 2>you're getting two second round picks in exchange for absorbing

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<v Speaker 2>George's money. But what are your thoughts on what the

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01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Jazz and the Celtics did today?

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01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:20.039
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, I think in the grand scope of things spent,

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01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:24.680
<v Speaker 7>my opinion is that it's you know, much ado about nothing.

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01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:28.359
<v Speaker 7>It's uh, you know, the Jazz are obviously still in

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01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:31.520
<v Speaker 7>an asset acquiring mode and they get a couple of

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<v Speaker 7>second round picks that they could you know, use at

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01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:38.000
<v Speaker 7>some point or move those along as they see fit

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01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:41.680
<v Speaker 7>in future trades. And in George Yang, who is a

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01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:45.119
<v Speaker 7>very serviceable player and actually came through the Jazz player

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01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:48.920
<v Speaker 7>development program and playing starting with the UH the Salt

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01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:51.159
<v Speaker 7>Lake City Stars and then working its way up to

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01:49:51.239 --> 01:49:55.439
<v Speaker 7>the Jazz and played some good games and and had

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01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:58.920
<v Speaker 7>some good contributions during this time, and actually because of

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01:49:58.960 --> 01:50:01.560
<v Speaker 7>the work he did with the Jazz as several years ago,

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01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:05.760
<v Speaker 7>played his way into an actual free agent contract with

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<v Speaker 7>the Philadelphia seventy six ers at the time. And so

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure. I'm not sure what to think he

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<v Speaker 7>is in getting him. I'm not sure if they have

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<v Speaker 7>to get to a salary floor as well, spent before

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01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:22.920
<v Speaker 7>opening day in October, so it could be something where

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01:50:22.920 --> 01:50:26.359
<v Speaker 7>he's filling that space for them. I'm not sure it's

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01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:30.079
<v Speaker 7>really has anything to do with trying to quote improve

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<v Speaker 7>the club or get someone who's going to be a

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<v Speaker 7>danger continued going forward. But I know George is a

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01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:40.279
<v Speaker 7>good worker, and he's a good guy, and you know

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01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:42.520
<v Speaker 7>he'll help young guys in the locker room if that's

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01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:44.920
<v Speaker 7>what they're what they're after. But I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 7>going to mean much in the grand scheme of things

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01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:51.840
<v Speaker 7>in terms of the Utah Jazz, and they're winning and.

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01:50:51.760 --> 01:50:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Losing going forward, certainly, And as I stretched to make

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01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:59.399
<v Speaker 2>this a topic, you know, it's interesting last year when

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01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:03.039
<v Speaker 2>the Jazz acquired Patty Mills and Drew you Banks and

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01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:06.279
<v Speaker 2>some other borderline veteran players. The walking line from the

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01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:10.399
<v Speaker 2>coaches in the front office was well, pups can't raise pups. Well,

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01:51:10.640 --> 01:51:14.039
<v Speaker 2>it's a much different approach this year because basically, outside

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01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:18.000
<v Speaker 2>of Yusef Nurkic and now George Niang, these are all kids.

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01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:20.600
<v Speaker 2>But I kind of drew the parallel smitty earlier to

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01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:24.159
<v Speaker 2>the end of the career for Jared Dudley, who continued

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01:51:24.199 --> 01:51:27.079
<v Speaker 2>to find jobs even though his best years were far

2290
01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:31.960
<v Speaker 2>behind him, because he was known throughout the ecosystem of

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01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:35.439
<v Speaker 2>pro basketball as a professional who could be a safe

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01:51:35.479 --> 01:51:38.520
<v Speaker 2>bet to help young players learn how to traverse this

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01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:42.119
<v Speaker 2>league and be pros while playing pro basketball. So what

2294
01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:45.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of, if any benefit at all, can that intangible

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01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:48.520
<v Speaker 2>dynamic bring if that's the idea of the Jazz have here.

2296
01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:54.319
<v Speaker 7>Well, George is a great guy. He's a great personality.

2297
01:51:54.119 --> 01:51:57.840
<v Speaker 7>He never gets down, he's never in a negative space,

2298
01:51:58.960 --> 01:52:02.680
<v Speaker 7>you know, very similar to Jordan Clarkson, h you know,

2299
01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:05.359
<v Speaker 7>who obviously has moved on this summer to the Knicks.

2300
01:52:05.920 --> 01:52:06.159
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

2301
01:52:06.359 --> 01:52:08.840
<v Speaker 7>You know, maybe George is being brought in to fill

2302
01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:12.600
<v Speaker 7>that space as far as uh the locker room presence

2303
01:52:12.720 --> 01:52:15.600
<v Speaker 7>and and uh you know how guys need to handle

2304
01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:19.399
<v Speaker 7>a business day in and day out. Uh, usually you

2305
01:52:19.399 --> 01:52:23.960
<v Speaker 7>know that influence is really more felt when it's with

2306
01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:29.359
<v Speaker 7>someone who would have a greater impact on the team

2307
01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:34.279
<v Speaker 7>uh in games. Then I would foresee George would have

2308
01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:40.439
<v Speaker 7>going forward. UH So I don't know. Again, I haven't

2309
01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:44.000
<v Speaker 7>studied it. Like I said, there's a scenario where the

2310
01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:47.760
<v Speaker 7>addition could help them and the salary stuff having to

2311
01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:51.319
<v Speaker 7>get to a minimum UH spending before the season starts.

2312
01:52:52.039 --> 01:52:54.600
<v Speaker 7>I can also see a scenario where they use that

2313
01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:57.000
<v Speaker 7>to get to a second round picks and then they're

2314
01:52:57.039 --> 01:52:59.960
<v Speaker 7>going to do something with George before the season starts

2315
01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:03.920
<v Speaker 7>in terms of a buyout. But you know that's that

2316
01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:06.560
<v Speaker 7>will remain to be seen. I just don't I don't

2317
01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:09.720
<v Speaker 7>see anything other than being a good influence in the

2318
01:53:09.720 --> 01:53:11.720
<v Speaker 7>locker room. If they think that's helpful. I don't know

2319
01:53:12.039 --> 01:53:15.640
<v Speaker 7>what that did because I wasn't there last year with

2320
01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:19.920
<v Speaker 7>Patty Mills in the locker room was a great guy.

2321
01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:23.319
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what it did for them quote growing

2322
01:53:23.439 --> 01:53:25.920
<v Speaker 7>up with the young guys. If that helped at all

2323
01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:29.600
<v Speaker 7>or not. You know, that's for the coaching staff and

2324
01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:31.279
<v Speaker 7>the guys who are on the floor every day with

2325
01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:34.239
<v Speaker 7>them in practice to determine what kind of inflict that

2326
01:53:34.319 --> 01:53:37.000
<v Speaker 7>has but George can be that kind of a guy

2327
01:53:37.560 --> 01:53:40.720
<v Speaker 7>if that's what they're looking for. He's just not going

2328
01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:45.680
<v Speaker 7>to have a great influence in terms of helping them

2329
01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:47.840
<v Speaker 7>to win games going forward.

2330
01:53:49.159 --> 01:53:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't know they're going to be doing

2331
01:53:50.800 --> 01:53:53.399
<v Speaker 2>a lot of winning anytime soon. I will ask you

2332
01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:56.119
<v Speaker 2>about what sort of And again this is me stretching

2333
01:53:56.159 --> 01:53:58.720
<v Speaker 2>to find something topical. But since you and I last spoke,

2334
01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Philapowski was named MVP of the Vegas Summer League,

2335
01:54:02.880 --> 01:54:05.239
<v Speaker 2>not just MVP of the Jazz team, MVP of the

2336
01:54:05.239 --> 01:54:08.159
<v Speaker 2>whole thing. A lot of the other players maybe a

2337
01:54:08.199 --> 01:54:10.520
<v Speaker 2>little bit left to be desired. Most of them were

2338
01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:12.800
<v Speaker 2>shut down sensible. I had a couple of good games

2339
01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and didn't play Ace Walter Clayton Junior, so it was

2340
01:54:17.840 --> 01:54:19.399
<v Speaker 2>tough to get a read on most of them. But

2341
01:54:19.520 --> 01:54:22.600
<v Speaker 2>what sort of if any I don't know, confidence or

2342
01:54:22.600 --> 01:54:25.319
<v Speaker 2>whatever can Kyle take from a Summer League performance into

2343
01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:27.640
<v Speaker 2>year two for the Jazz Oh.

2344
01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:30.399
<v Speaker 7>I think just just for him and his own confidence

2345
01:54:31.079 --> 01:54:33.479
<v Speaker 7>being able to play in that setting. You know, the

2346
01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:38.560
<v Speaker 7>competition is great, mostly guys who were trying to make

2347
01:54:38.600 --> 01:54:42.560
<v Speaker 7>a team or trying to get a fall camp invite

2348
01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:46.000
<v Speaker 7>from someone you know, a lot of a lot of

2349
01:54:46.039 --> 01:54:50.199
<v Speaker 7>the draft pits that were in this Juns draft, they

2350
01:54:50.239 --> 01:54:53.560
<v Speaker 7>didn't play either in the summer league for whatever the

2351
01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:57.920
<v Speaker 7>individual reasons were from team to team. But what it

2352
01:54:57.960 --> 01:55:02.439
<v Speaker 7>did give the Philipowski ta it is a feeling that

2353
01:55:02.520 --> 01:55:05.159
<v Speaker 7>he could he could show what he can do, what

2354
01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:09.680
<v Speaker 7>his versatility is skill wise, uh, and do that in

2355
01:55:09.760 --> 01:55:12.319
<v Speaker 7>front of everybody in the league. The whole league is there,

2356
01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:16.279
<v Speaker 7>all the general managers on the other coaches, blah blah blah,

2357
01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:20.159
<v Speaker 7>and so you know, maybe if nothing else, it helps

2358
01:55:20.239 --> 01:55:23.279
<v Speaker 7>them to see him in that kind of setting, to

2359
01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:25.840
<v Speaker 7>be able to say, oh, yeah, now that kid, he

2360
01:55:25.880 --> 01:55:28.279
<v Speaker 7>can he can play inside, he can play outside, he

2361
01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:31.479
<v Speaker 7>has good footwork on the block, he can pass the ball,

2362
01:55:31.640 --> 01:55:33.960
<v Speaker 7>he can he can catch it and transition as a

2363
01:55:33.960 --> 01:55:38.399
<v Speaker 7>trailer and nail an occasional three. You know. So so

2364
01:55:38.479 --> 01:55:41.039
<v Speaker 7>people get to see that, get to see that again

2365
01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:43.520
<v Speaker 7>to guys who are who are all working hard, because

2366
01:55:43.520 --> 01:55:46.359
<v Speaker 7>they're all all those guys on the floor are hustling

2367
01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:49.560
<v Speaker 7>for jobs, and so you know, at least the competition

2368
01:55:50.159 --> 01:55:52.840
<v Speaker 7>and the effort is there by everybody. You're playing again,

2369
01:55:52.960 --> 01:55:57.680
<v Speaker 7>and then to have the three performances he had, you

2370
01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:01.479
<v Speaker 7>know that that says something about him and also able

2371
01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:04.239
<v Speaker 7>to give people a look at at just the skill

2372
01:56:04.359 --> 01:56:08.119
<v Speaker 7>level he has in general. And then and now he

2373
01:56:08.199 --> 01:56:11.800
<v Speaker 7>goes into the fall camp and into the beginning of

2374
01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:15.680
<v Speaker 7>next season with some personal confidence that that he can

2375
01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:19.520
<v Speaker 7>play like that. And now the obviously the issue will

2376
01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:23.560
<v Speaker 7>be does that translate against the big boys when he

2377
01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:25.680
<v Speaker 7>starts playing for real in October.

2378
01:56:26.600 --> 01:56:30.000
<v Speaker 2>We're still a few weeks away from the opening of camp.

2379
01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:33.359
<v Speaker 2>But as these players start to trickle back into the market,

2380
01:56:33.399 --> 01:56:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and some of them have been here incrementally and others,

2381
01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:39.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, go elsewhere for their offseason season training.

2382
01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:42.199
<v Speaker 3>If you're Austin Age, if you're justin.

2383
01:56:42.079 --> 01:56:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Zandik, if you're the Jazz front office, and you're the

2384
01:56:44.319 --> 01:56:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Jazz coaching staff, based off of your experience, what do

2385
01:56:46.960 --> 01:56:50.439
<v Speaker 2>you what are you looking for as they return as

2386
01:56:50.439 --> 01:56:52.439
<v Speaker 2>far as whether or not they've been you know, doing

2387
01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:54.359
<v Speaker 2>the things they need to be doing during during the

2388
01:56:54.399 --> 01:56:54.920
<v Speaker 2>off season.

2389
01:56:56.119 --> 01:56:58.039
<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, a lot of that has stub to

2390
01:56:58.199 --> 01:57:04.119
<v Speaker 7>your evalue is an ongoing situation with individual coaches the

2391
01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:09.199
<v Speaker 7>way NBA teams do it now, every coach, as a

2392
01:57:09.239 --> 01:57:13.119
<v Speaker 7>player or to assigned to them, they have a regular

2393
01:57:13.279 --> 01:57:17.000
<v Speaker 7>workout schedule. They have a skilled department schedule, they have

2394
01:57:17.039 --> 01:57:21.000
<v Speaker 7>a conditioning schedule. All these things are laid out, you know,

2395
01:57:21.159 --> 01:57:24.960
<v Speaker 7>in in no book notebooks and programs that the players

2396
01:57:24.960 --> 01:57:28.239
<v Speaker 7>are given go and go over with their individual coaches, uh,

2397
01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:31.960
<v Speaker 7>consistently during the summer. If they're in town, obviously they're

2398
01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:36.399
<v Speaker 7>working out individually. If they're not in town, the coaches

2399
01:57:36.399 --> 01:57:39.600
<v Speaker 7>are checking on them to see how how they're going

2400
01:57:39.680 --> 01:57:42.840
<v Speaker 7>and what whatever that program is they laid out for

2401
01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:47.560
<v Speaker 7>that individual player. Uh. Sometimes Uh, you know, we used

2402
01:57:47.600 --> 01:57:50.880
<v Speaker 7>to stand coaches, you know, overseas when you know, when

2403
01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:53.520
<v Speaker 7>Rudy was on the team and he's in France, we

2404
01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:56.199
<v Speaker 7>would we would send a couple of guys over there

2405
01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:59.439
<v Speaker 7>to work with him for a week and both the

2406
01:57:59.479 --> 01:58:04.199
<v Speaker 7>condition and also development weight training and uh, and they

2407
01:58:04.279 --> 01:58:06.840
<v Speaker 7>and the coaches just want to keep a finger on

2408
01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:09.680
<v Speaker 7>it and make sure that they're doing what they're asking

2409
01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:12.600
<v Speaker 7>them to do and that they're making the progress that

2410
01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:15.680
<v Speaker 7>they're they're looking for and they try and measure that

2411
01:58:15.760 --> 01:58:20.079
<v Speaker 7>and whatever whatever facet they're they're looking for in each

2412
01:58:20.119 --> 01:58:23.520
<v Speaker 7>individual and then they can monitor that all summer. So

2413
01:58:23.600 --> 01:58:27.279
<v Speaker 7>when they get here, uh, in early September and start,

2414
01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:30.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, getting settled for the to the beginning of

2415
01:58:30.039 --> 01:58:33.399
<v Speaker 7>fall camp. You know, most of those players should already

2416
01:58:33.439 --> 01:58:37.159
<v Speaker 7>be be rolling as far as all those areas are concerned,

2417
01:58:37.199 --> 01:58:40.840
<v Speaker 7>and there's a very little catch up time that the

2418
01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:43.560
<v Speaker 7>coaches need to do with them because they've been they've

2419
01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:46.439
<v Speaker 7>been either talking with them or working directly with them

2420
01:58:46.680 --> 01:58:51.239
<v Speaker 7>all all summer long. So it's just a continuation of

2421
01:58:51.279 --> 01:58:54.199
<v Speaker 7>that process, uh, you know, and that's a lot different

2422
01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:57.800
<v Speaker 7>uh spent back in the old days, so to speak,

2423
01:58:58.359 --> 01:59:02.680
<v Speaker 7>when the likes of John Stockton and Karl Malone would

2424
01:59:02.680 --> 01:59:06.039
<v Speaker 7>be with the Jazz and the season would end and

2425
01:59:06.079 --> 01:59:10.039
<v Speaker 7>they would leave, you know, several days later from Salt

2426
01:59:10.119 --> 01:59:14.600
<v Speaker 7>Lake and go home their respective homes in Washington and Louisiana,

2427
01:59:14.920 --> 01:59:18.279
<v Speaker 7>and you might not see him again until the week

2428
01:59:18.319 --> 01:59:21.319
<v Speaker 7>before training camp or just a few days before training camp.

2429
01:59:21.880 --> 01:59:25.920
<v Speaker 7>And at that time, the approach was totally different. Guys

2430
01:59:25.960 --> 01:59:29.079
<v Speaker 7>were on their own to stay in shape, to figure

2431
01:59:29.119 --> 01:59:31.760
<v Speaker 7>it out, to make sure they were ready to go

2432
01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:34.640
<v Speaker 7>when they came back. But also a lot of players

2433
01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:38.920
<v Speaker 7>back then used the training camp period as the time

2434
01:59:39.000 --> 01:59:43.520
<v Speaker 7>to get quote back in shape, and those days are

2435
01:59:43.560 --> 01:59:47.279
<v Speaker 7>long gone. When players come back now to their NBA

2436
01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:52.319
<v Speaker 7>cities in early mid September. They have been going off

2437
01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:56.239
<v Speaker 7>summer long, and they most of the time they hit

2438
01:59:56.279 --> 01:59:59.119
<v Speaker 7>the ground running when training camp starts. And that's really

2439
01:59:59.640 --> 02:00:02.760
<v Speaker 7>in in some part why the NBA has cut down

2440
02:00:03.439 --> 02:00:08.880
<v Speaker 7>from high of eight preseason games that he used to play,

2441
02:00:09.439 --> 02:00:13.039
<v Speaker 7>so now they only play four preseason games. Because the

2442
02:00:13.119 --> 02:00:15.760
<v Speaker 7>teams have been in such contact with their players and

2443
02:00:16.640 --> 02:00:19.600
<v Speaker 7>they kind of have already a feel for what their

2444
02:00:19.640 --> 02:00:23.560
<v Speaker 7>guys are in shape and what they're able to do

2445
02:00:24.079 --> 02:00:25.680
<v Speaker 7>when they get in town for training camp.

2446
02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:29.520
<v Speaker 2>It is really tough, even after a few years to

2447
02:00:29.560 --> 02:00:31.800
<v Speaker 2>analyze a few of these players as far as who

2448
02:00:31.840 --> 02:00:33.319
<v Speaker 2>they are in the league.

2449
02:00:33.760 --> 02:00:34.760
<v Speaker 3>But it is going to be.

2450
02:00:34.760 --> 02:00:37.039
<v Speaker 2>A big year because there's some decisions that have to

2451
02:00:37.119 --> 02:00:40.239
<v Speaker 2>be made on some of these young players. Let's launch

2452
02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:42.159
<v Speaker 2>into a couple of these players one by one and

2453
02:00:42.199 --> 02:00:44.680
<v Speaker 2>then then I'll let you go, and let's start with Kyante.

2454
02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:47.319
<v Speaker 2>And Kyante is an interesting one because he's the one

2455
02:00:47.319 --> 02:00:50.479
<v Speaker 2>that we've seen the most and there's been some good,

2456
02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:54.359
<v Speaker 2>but there's been too much bad for me to anoint

2457
02:00:54.439 --> 02:00:57.880
<v Speaker 2>him as somebody who can be a rotational player in

2458
02:00:57.960 --> 02:01:00.199
<v Speaker 2>pro basketball with the team that's trying to win, and

2459
02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:04.520
<v Speaker 2>he clearly has some individual offensive pop efficiency numbers aren't

2460
02:01:04.560 --> 02:01:08.479
<v Speaker 2>good disinterested defender to say the least. What did the

2461
02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Jazz need to see from Keante this year so they

2462
02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:13.000
<v Speaker 2>continue to believe in this project?

2463
02:01:15.439 --> 02:01:17.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, this is gonna be a big year for him

2464
02:01:17.279 --> 02:01:20.720
<v Speaker 7>because he's gotta he's got to show that he has

2465
02:01:20.760 --> 02:01:25.039
<v Speaker 7>some pensions, some ability, uh to to be able to

2466
02:01:25.119 --> 02:01:29.039
<v Speaker 7>defend and to be able to contribute, uh in a

2467
02:01:29.119 --> 02:01:33.239
<v Speaker 7>defensive scheme where where he's not always seen as the

2468
02:01:33.279 --> 02:01:37.000
<v Speaker 7>weak link. And if that's if that's going to continue

2469
02:01:37.039 --> 02:01:39.840
<v Speaker 7>to be the process, then he I would think he

2470
02:01:39.840 --> 02:01:43.079
<v Speaker 7>would have a hard time sticking around because I think

2471
02:01:43.119 --> 02:01:46.960
<v Speaker 7>that uh uh. You know, from my my gathering of

2472
02:01:47.159 --> 02:01:50.760
<v Speaker 7>information and talking to guys around the Jazz organization, you

2473
02:01:50.920 --> 02:01:54.000
<v Speaker 7>will Hardy and his staff you'll really want to be,

2474
02:01:54.720 --> 02:01:57.319
<v Speaker 7>you know, some kind of a defensive team, have some

2475
02:01:57.439 --> 02:02:00.880
<v Speaker 7>kind of a defensive identity. They have done that the

2476
02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:03.680
<v Speaker 7>last couple of years. In fact, it's just the opposite.

2477
02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:06.760
<v Speaker 7>They've been one of the worst defensive teams. And at

2478
02:02:06.760 --> 02:02:09.640
<v Speaker 7>some point, you know, they've got to make a decision,

2479
02:02:10.079 --> 02:02:12.279
<v Speaker 7>you know, can this guy be part of what we're

2480
02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:14.920
<v Speaker 7>trying where we're trying to get to or do we

2481
02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:19.880
<v Speaker 7>just simply have to move on and admit that he

2482
02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:23.640
<v Speaker 7>just isn't the right guy for us. So him coming

2483
02:02:23.680 --> 02:02:26.720
<v Speaker 7>off the bench throwing up a bunch of shots early

2484
02:02:26.760 --> 02:02:29.840
<v Speaker 7>in the second quarter, trying to get eight points in

2485
02:02:29.880 --> 02:02:32.399
<v Speaker 7>a two minute span or whatever, you know, that's not

2486
02:02:32.439 --> 02:02:34.359
<v Speaker 7>going to cut it. You know, he's got to show

2487
02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:39.119
<v Speaker 7>that he's making consistent progress, you know, on that other

2488
02:02:39.239 --> 02:02:44.119
<v Speaker 7>end of the floor. And if he doesn't, then again

2489
02:02:44.199 --> 02:02:47.279
<v Speaker 7>then they'll they'll see that and then they'll they'll have

2490
02:02:47.319 --> 02:02:49.600
<v Speaker 7>to make a decision. But he's also on a rookie

2491
02:02:49.960 --> 02:02:53.159
<v Speaker 7>a rookie scale deal, so he's got this year and

2492
02:02:53.239 --> 02:02:56.079
<v Speaker 7>the Jazz you know, can pick up their fourth year

2493
02:02:56.159 --> 02:03:00.560
<v Speaker 7>deal on him before the season starts, or if they don't,

2494
02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:02.920
<v Speaker 7>then that may be telling him, hey, you know, this

2495
02:03:03.079 --> 02:03:05.920
<v Speaker 7>is it. You got to fisher cup baits on the

2496
02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:08.720
<v Speaker 7>steak and because we got to get this train moving.

2497
02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:12.239
<v Speaker 7>And that may be part of the m a you know,

2498
02:03:12.399 --> 02:03:17.720
<v Speaker 7>under the direction of Austin Ams now in basketball operations.

2499
02:03:18.520 --> 02:03:22.560
<v Speaker 2>So I suppose it just simply is not realistic for

2500
02:03:22.760 --> 02:03:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Isaiah Callier to fix a jump shot in a matter

2501
02:03:25.760 --> 02:03:28.560
<v Speaker 2>of a couple of months, but I was hoping to

2502
02:03:28.560 --> 02:03:32.239
<v Speaker 2>see maybe some progress in the right direction during Summer League,

2503
02:03:32.239 --> 02:03:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and we just saw the same stuff. We saw a bullish,

2504
02:03:36.039 --> 02:03:38.399
<v Speaker 2>strong kid who can get to the tin and is

2505
02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:42.720
<v Speaker 2>very athletic and strong, with some feel for the game,

2506
02:03:42.800 --> 02:03:45.399
<v Speaker 2>and probably a better feel for the game than Keyante,

2507
02:03:45.560 --> 02:03:48.720
<v Speaker 2>hence the decision to start Isaiah and bench Keiante last year.

2508
02:03:49.439 --> 02:03:52.239
<v Speaker 2>So just same question generally speaking, and then attached to

2509
02:03:52.279 --> 02:03:56.119
<v Speaker 2>the question, based off of your experience in player development,

2510
02:03:56.520 --> 02:03:59.399
<v Speaker 2>how long do we need to wait before we see

2511
02:03:59.399 --> 02:04:02.079
<v Speaker 2>whether or not tangible progress is made with the jump shot,

2512
02:04:02.119 --> 02:04:04.439
<v Speaker 2>because I don't care how good you are in twenty

2513
02:04:04.439 --> 02:04:06.319
<v Speaker 2>twenty five in the NBA. If your league guard and

2514
02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:08.760
<v Speaker 2>you shoot twenty six percent from three, you're not gonna play.

2515
02:04:10.000 --> 02:04:13.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, you're exactly right and that and that's that's

2516
02:04:13.000 --> 02:04:14.560
<v Speaker 7>one of the things he's going to have to show.

2517
02:04:14.960 --> 02:04:17.399
<v Speaker 7>And he's making progress, and a lot of that evaluation

2518
02:04:17.600 --> 02:04:21.840
<v Speaker 7>spends takes place in practice because they're working with him

2519
02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:25.000
<v Speaker 7>every day and they're going through drills, and they're going

2520
02:04:25.000 --> 02:04:28.760
<v Speaker 7>through having a shooting instructor, working on his form and

2521
02:04:29.359 --> 02:04:31.079
<v Speaker 7>how he sets his feet and how he gets his

2522
02:04:31.199 --> 02:04:34.199
<v Speaker 7>balance and where his release point is and all those

2523
02:04:34.279 --> 02:04:37.720
<v Speaker 7>kinds of things, and they judge that and they can

2524
02:04:38.319 --> 02:04:41.319
<v Speaker 7>they can track that, you know, through various types of

2525
02:04:41.399 --> 02:04:44.359
<v Speaker 7>drills that they do during practice, and so they're getting

2526
02:04:44.399 --> 02:04:48.840
<v Speaker 7>a feel even when he's not in gained competition to

2527
02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:51.439
<v Speaker 7>be able to see, you know, if he's making progress.

2528
02:04:51.520 --> 02:04:54.159
<v Speaker 7>Is he improving in these things? Is he just one

2529
02:04:54.239 --> 02:04:58.319
<v Speaker 7>of those guys who can't shoot? You know, Jason kidds

2530
02:04:58.720 --> 02:05:00.880
<v Speaker 7>you know as a Hall of Fame player, a great

2531
02:05:00.920 --> 02:05:04.479
<v Speaker 7>playmaker and then uh, good size for this position and

2532
02:05:04.520 --> 02:05:07.960
<v Speaker 7>good decision maker and floor leader and all that stuff.

2533
02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:11.720
<v Speaker 7>But Jason Kate couldn't shoot. And you know he improved

2534
02:05:11.800 --> 02:05:15.439
<v Speaker 7>somewhat during his career, but he never you know, improved

2535
02:05:15.479 --> 02:05:17.960
<v Speaker 7>to the point where you said, well, gee, now it's

2536
02:05:18.199 --> 02:05:21.399
<v Speaker 7>year six, year seven, year eight. He shouldn't be making

2537
02:05:21.600 --> 02:05:24.720
<v Speaker 7>you know, good leaps in that in that regard, and

2538
02:05:24.840 --> 02:05:27.279
<v Speaker 7>he just didn't do it. He wasn't able to. That

2539
02:05:27.560 --> 02:05:30.800
<v Speaker 7>just wasn't It wasn't his makeup. So you know, that

2540
02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:33.800
<v Speaker 7>might be something like the Collier kid, you know, but

2541
02:05:33.960 --> 02:05:36.760
<v Speaker 7>at some point again, the Jazz has to look at

2542
02:05:36.760 --> 02:05:40.239
<v Speaker 7>it and what their investment is going to be and

2543
02:05:40.319 --> 02:05:43.159
<v Speaker 7>what they think that return could be down the road.

2544
02:05:43.640 --> 02:05:43.920
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

2545
02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:47.880
<v Speaker 7>And and again, Benson remind ourselves that that all the

2546
02:05:47.960 --> 02:05:51.279
<v Speaker 7>guys we're talking about here, whether it's Philip how Steamer,

2547
02:05:51.439 --> 02:05:54.319
<v Speaker 7>or it's Collier, whether it's George whoever. You know, they're

2548
02:05:54.359 --> 02:05:58.319
<v Speaker 7>all in their early twenties. And so you know they've

2549
02:05:58.399 --> 02:06:01.680
<v Speaker 7>got they've got some growing to do. But they've got

2550
02:06:01.680 --> 02:06:04.760
<v Speaker 7>to show the coaching staff that they're trending in the

2551
02:06:04.840 --> 02:06:08.319
<v Speaker 7>right direction, uh, in in the in the areas of

2552
02:06:08.359 --> 02:06:11.720
<v Speaker 7>where they are major deficiency. So because up there not

2553
02:06:12.279 --> 02:06:14.680
<v Speaker 7>and you know, the Jazz don't have time to wait around.

2554
02:06:15.000 --> 02:06:18.000
<v Speaker 7>They've got to you know, make decisions and move on

2555
02:06:18.079 --> 02:06:20.800
<v Speaker 7>to the next guy. And and and that's the problem

2556
02:06:20.920 --> 02:06:23.479
<v Speaker 7>they're in that right they're they're trying all kinds of

2557
02:06:23.520 --> 02:06:26.439
<v Speaker 7>guys and pulling them in, uh, pulling them out and

2558
02:06:26.479 --> 02:06:29.479
<v Speaker 7>putting them in and and seeing this uh you know,

2559
02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:31.680
<v Speaker 7>kind of throwing stuff against the marrow and see if

2560
02:06:31.680 --> 02:06:34.760
<v Speaker 7>they fixed. And you know, that's in a position they

2561
02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:38.000
<v Speaker 7>find themselves in right now. And in regards to their

2562
02:06:38.039 --> 02:06:39.039
<v Speaker 7>overall player.

2563
02:06:38.880 --> 02:06:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Development, who in your experience, you know the answer might

2564
02:06:44.319 --> 02:06:47.800
<v Speaker 2>be Carl because when Carl entered the league, he was

2565
02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:51.479
<v Speaker 2>not a great shooter, and he turned himself into a great,

2566
02:06:51.560 --> 02:06:54.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, faceoff jump shooter and and really solid free

2567
02:06:54.279 --> 02:06:54.800
<v Speaker 2>throw shooter.

2568
02:06:55.439 --> 02:06:57.439
<v Speaker 3>But the old Saints Smittian basketball is great.

2569
02:06:57.439 --> 02:07:00.399
<v Speaker 2>Shooters are made, they're not born, and there is a

2570
02:07:00.439 --> 02:07:03.479
<v Speaker 2>lot to like about Isaiah, but he does have to

2571
02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:06.279
<v Speaker 2>fix this issue because it's such a big issue.

2572
02:07:06.079 --> 02:07:06.960
<v Speaker 3>In your experience.

2573
02:07:07.399 --> 02:07:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Is there a name or multiple names that come to

2574
02:07:09.560 --> 02:07:13.000
<v Speaker 2>mind of players that you know twenty five twenty six

2575
02:07:13.039 --> 02:07:14.960
<v Speaker 2>percent from three put in the work and turn out

2576
02:07:14.960 --> 02:07:16.880
<v Speaker 2>to be really good shooters.

2577
02:07:18.880 --> 02:07:23.560
<v Speaker 7>That's a good question, you know, guys who uh sometimes

2578
02:07:23.600 --> 02:07:26.319
<v Speaker 7>you know, if if you're looking at guys, I can't

2579
02:07:26.319 --> 02:07:27.880
<v Speaker 7>come home with somewhere else the top of my head.

2580
02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:31.720
<v Speaker 7>But I would say this in responds to your questions.

2581
02:07:32.039 --> 02:07:36.520
<v Speaker 7>Guys who are showing that they make some kind of improvement,

2582
02:07:37.760 --> 02:07:42.039
<v Speaker 7>you have to leverage that against what else they do.

2583
02:07:42.399 --> 02:07:45.800
<v Speaker 7>In other words, I just mentioned Jason Kidd, for example,

2584
02:07:46.199 --> 02:07:48.960
<v Speaker 7>had a Hall of Fame career and everyone knew he

2585
02:07:49.000 --> 02:07:53.159
<v Speaker 7>was a really good playmaker, very good decision maker, you know,

2586
02:07:53.479 --> 02:07:58.279
<v Speaker 7>not great, but solid defensively with his size and his

2587
02:07:58.479 --> 02:08:01.680
<v Speaker 7>ability to stay in front of guys. But he couldn't

2588
02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:06.680
<v Speaker 7>couldn't shoot. Uh. He improved some Uh, but not as

2589
02:08:06.760 --> 02:08:08.840
<v Speaker 7>much as you would have thought he would have during

2590
02:08:08.920 --> 02:08:13.079
<v Speaker 7>his career. But what he did do was the things

2591
02:08:13.079 --> 02:08:17.479
<v Speaker 7>he did very well. He did very well all of

2592
02:08:17.520 --> 02:08:21.000
<v Speaker 7>his career and he showed that and that's what made

2593
02:08:21.039 --> 02:08:26.279
<v Speaker 7>him eventually Hall of Fame player. Somebody like Collier, you know,

2594
02:08:26.399 --> 02:08:29.039
<v Speaker 7>they need to see some of that, uh some of

2595
02:08:29.119 --> 02:08:32.319
<v Speaker 7>that improved him. But like a kiscaping diffle him being

2596
02:08:32.399 --> 02:08:37.319
<v Speaker 7>a uh uh playmaker. He's got a good instinct, he's

2597
02:08:37.319 --> 02:08:39.520
<v Speaker 7>got a good feel with the ball, but he is

2598
02:08:39.600 --> 02:08:42.880
<v Speaker 7>so loose with the ball and makes you know, bad

2599
02:08:42.960 --> 02:08:47.399
<v Speaker 7>decisions about driving into traffic and then trying to figure

2600
02:08:47.479 --> 02:08:50.600
<v Speaker 7>something out or or whipping a ball for it and

2601
02:08:50.600 --> 02:08:52.520
<v Speaker 7>it ends up in the third row in the in

2602
02:08:52.600 --> 02:08:56.800
<v Speaker 7>the stands, those kinds of things. Also, he has to

2603
02:08:56.920 --> 02:08:59.920
<v Speaker 7>curb and he has to get in control because other

2604
02:09:00.560 --> 02:09:05.199
<v Speaker 7>that stuff tends to negate what you think is a good,

2605
02:09:05.479 --> 02:09:08.920
<v Speaker 7>good skill or a good trait that he has in

2606
02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:11.720
<v Speaker 7>bringing to the team on the floor. But if he's

2607
02:09:11.720 --> 02:09:15.319
<v Speaker 7>going to be inconsistent where he gets, you know, twelve

2608
02:09:15.319 --> 02:09:17.560
<v Speaker 7>assists in one game and then the next game he

2609
02:09:17.640 --> 02:09:21.399
<v Speaker 7>has three assists and seven turnovers or something. You know,

2610
02:09:21.520 --> 02:09:23.439
<v Speaker 7>that's not going to cut it, because you've got to

2611
02:09:23.479 --> 02:09:26.880
<v Speaker 7>be able to do the consistent things that you do

2612
02:09:27.000 --> 02:09:31.039
<v Speaker 7>well night in, night out, because that's how the team

2613
02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:35.760
<v Speaker 7>is able to measure their progress in terms of getting better.

2614
02:09:36.159 --> 02:09:38.680
<v Speaker 7>So that's really he's got a lot of areas to

2615
02:09:38.720 --> 02:09:42.159
<v Speaker 7>work on, but even the areas that he's good at

2616
02:09:42.279 --> 02:09:45.319
<v Speaker 7>right now or has a feel for, he's even got

2617
02:09:45.319 --> 02:09:47.000
<v Speaker 7>a tighten those up even more.

2618
02:09:48.239 --> 02:09:51.560
<v Speaker 2>You think there's a chance. Walter Clayton Jr. Is the

2619
02:09:51.600 --> 02:09:53.600
<v Speaker 2>starting point guard for the Jazz on opening night.

2620
02:09:58.119 --> 02:10:02.520
<v Speaker 7>Well, good question. Is there a chance? Yeah? I think

2621
02:10:02.520 --> 02:10:06.079
<v Speaker 7>there's a chance. Again because he's an older guy in

2622
02:10:06.199 --> 02:10:09.520
<v Speaker 7>terms of their groups. He's he's older than those other

2623
02:10:09.520 --> 02:10:11.760
<v Speaker 7>guys we're talking about because he was a five year

2624
02:10:11.880 --> 02:10:16.000
<v Speaker 7>college guy and has that kind of experience and and

2625
02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:19.319
<v Speaker 7>and big game pressure and uh has shown that he's

2626
02:10:19.359 --> 02:10:23.439
<v Speaker 7>able to deliver and tough situations. Now obviously a different

2627
02:10:23.520 --> 02:10:28.039
<v Speaker 7>level of skill and a different different level of talent,

2628
02:10:29.359 --> 02:10:34.279
<v Speaker 7>but he's shown that he can handle himself when situations

2629
02:10:34.399 --> 02:10:38.720
<v Speaker 7>get tough and UH, and again he's played those years

2630
02:10:38.720 --> 02:10:42.840
<v Speaker 7>in college that George didn't play because he only spent

2631
02:10:42.920 --> 02:10:46.760
<v Speaker 7>one year in school, UH or more years in college.

2632
02:10:46.760 --> 02:10:49.640
<v Speaker 7>And Tallia who only played one year in school and

2633
02:10:49.760 --> 02:10:55.000
<v Speaker 7>so he's got more experience than doing that regard, and so, yeah,

2634
02:10:55.079 --> 02:10:58.279
<v Speaker 7>that that's an interesting question. It will be it will

2635
02:10:58.319 --> 02:11:04.239
<v Speaker 7>be fun to see how he shows during training camp

2636
02:11:04.359 --> 02:11:09.439
<v Speaker 7>and how they choose to use him during the preseason games,

2637
02:11:09.960 --> 02:11:13.920
<v Speaker 7>and you know, whether he plays himself into a starting

2638
02:11:14.000 --> 02:11:14.520
<v Speaker 7>role like that.

2639
02:11:15.279 --> 02:11:18.439
<v Speaker 2>Moving over to Ace Bailey, who is a player that

2640
02:11:18.520 --> 02:11:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of Jazz fans have hope for,

2641
02:11:21.720 --> 02:11:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and hope right now is something this fan base has

2642
02:11:24.239 --> 02:11:28.359
<v Speaker 2>not had and quite frankly needs. The list of players

2643
02:11:28.399 --> 02:11:30.680
<v Speaker 2>ready to play high level pro basketball at that age

2644
02:11:30.760 --> 02:11:33.479
<v Speaker 2>is very short, and we didn't see a ton of

2645
02:11:33.560 --> 02:11:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Ace in Summer League. Uh, there are obvious things to like,

2646
02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the athleticism, the measurables. So I guess the way I'll

2647
02:11:41.560 --> 02:11:45.399
<v Speaker 2>frame it is what needs to happen year one for

2648
02:11:45.520 --> 02:11:47.119
<v Speaker 2>what I perceive to be a little bit of hope

2649
02:11:47.119 --> 02:11:49.840
<v Speaker 2>from this fan base to be realized as a rookie.

2650
02:11:51.319 --> 02:11:54.039
<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, he just asked to show that he

2651
02:11:54.079 --> 02:11:56.840
<v Speaker 7>can play, you know, with a certain level of energy,

2652
02:11:57.000 --> 02:12:02.399
<v Speaker 7>a certain level the games of and showed that he's

2653
02:12:02.479 --> 02:12:05.520
<v Speaker 7>able to learn from his mistakes, which there will be

2654
02:12:05.600 --> 02:12:08.760
<v Speaker 7>plenty of. But does he keep making the same mistake

2655
02:12:08.920 --> 02:12:12.039
<v Speaker 7>over and over and over, or does he seem like

2656
02:12:12.079 --> 02:12:15.239
<v Speaker 7>he's a guy who can understands that, you know, he

2657
02:12:15.319 --> 02:12:17.920
<v Speaker 7>tries to do last game is going to work, and

2658
02:12:17.960 --> 02:12:21.119
<v Speaker 7>so he changes it up tonight and the next game.

2659
02:12:21.800 --> 02:12:25.479
<v Speaker 7>And when he's a young guy, and you know, the

2660
02:12:25.520 --> 02:12:28.000
<v Speaker 7>best thing about him probably is in he's with the

2661
02:12:28.119 --> 02:12:34.199
<v Speaker 7>team that needs a guy exactly like him. In other words,

2662
02:12:34.600 --> 02:12:39.560
<v Speaker 7>this is the type of player that affects winning in

2663
02:12:39.640 --> 02:12:43.600
<v Speaker 7>the NBA. If you are at a certain talent level,

2664
02:12:44.000 --> 02:12:47.920
<v Speaker 7>every team needs a guy who's six faith he's wrong,

2665
02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:52.079
<v Speaker 7>He's athletic, can play in multiple positions that they have

2666
02:12:52.279 --> 02:12:55.720
<v Speaker 7>to and do different things. He can rebound, he can

2667
02:12:55.760 --> 02:12:58.119
<v Speaker 7>push it up the floor on his own, he can

2668
02:12:58.119 --> 02:13:01.720
<v Speaker 7>advance the ball, and the guy you can create shots

2669
02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:05.239
<v Speaker 7>in the mid range. I think the jury is out

2670
02:13:05.279 --> 02:13:09.479
<v Speaker 7>about his long range shooting, but hopefully that that comes

2671
02:13:09.479 --> 02:13:13.560
<v Speaker 7>in time. And again we remind ourselves and uh, he's

2672
02:13:13.600 --> 02:13:17.359
<v Speaker 7>gonna be nineteen during the season, and he's gonna have

2673
02:13:17.399 --> 02:13:19.840
<v Speaker 7>a lot of opportunities and he's gonna have a chance

2674
02:13:19.880 --> 02:13:22.199
<v Speaker 7>to show the coaches, you know, you know, not just

2675
02:13:22.239 --> 02:13:25.119
<v Speaker 7>that he's obviously I can be a finished product, But

2676
02:13:25.399 --> 02:13:29.199
<v Speaker 7>is he making improvement in areas that show that, Okay,

2677
02:13:29.600 --> 02:13:31.520
<v Speaker 7>we need to keep working with him, We need to

2678
02:13:31.600 --> 02:13:35.600
<v Speaker 7>keep engaging him in the process because he's going to

2679
02:13:35.640 --> 02:13:38.760
<v Speaker 7>be a guy that we want to be able to

2680
02:13:38.840 --> 02:13:42.800
<v Speaker 7>count on going forward. But he's going to have to

2681
02:13:42.840 --> 02:13:45.119
<v Speaker 7>earn that. You know, you're not gonna be given it.

2682
02:13:45.439 --> 02:13:49.800
<v Speaker 7>He'll get minutes, he'll get opportunities, but like we're talking

2683
02:13:49.800 --> 02:13:53.960
<v Speaker 7>about George, at some point, you have to the goods

2684
02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:56.560
<v Speaker 7>and you have to show that, yeah, I can do this,

2685
02:13:56.640 --> 02:14:01.079
<v Speaker 7>so yeah, you can rely on me. And he's gonna

2686
02:14:01.079 --> 02:14:04.399
<v Speaker 7>have those opportunities early and they're gonna have a long

2687
02:14:04.520 --> 02:14:05.119
<v Speaker 7>lease with him.

2688
02:14:05.960 --> 02:14:09.560
<v Speaker 9>You know, he's there top five pick and a lot

2689
02:14:09.640 --> 02:14:12.279
<v Speaker 9>is being made of him, and so he's gonna he's

2690
02:14:12.319 --> 02:14:16.560
<v Speaker 9>gonna have several years to show that he's making improvement.

2691
02:14:16.640 --> 02:14:19.680
<v Speaker 7>It can be one of the the hopefully for them,

2692
02:14:20.159 --> 02:14:23.159
<v Speaker 7>the foundational peace and what they're what they're trying to

2693
02:14:23.199 --> 02:14:26.760
<v Speaker 7>build going forward. And you know it's good for him

2694
02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:30.159
<v Speaker 7>because he'll get all the kinds of chances he wants.

2695
02:14:30.439 --> 02:14:32.439
<v Speaker 7>And all you have to do is show that he's

2696
02:14:32.479 --> 02:14:37.159
<v Speaker 7>willing to work and improve and earn more playing time

2697
02:14:37.199 --> 02:14:42.520
<v Speaker 7>to earn more opportunities as as his uh as his career.

2698
02:14:42.279 --> 02:14:45.520
<v Speaker 3>In Bark Smitty, my friend, I'll set you loose.

2699
02:14:45.600 --> 02:14:48.039
<v Speaker 2>You go enjoy the good life and we'll see you

2700
02:14:48.119 --> 02:14:49.680
<v Speaker 2>soon in studio when you're back on the ground.

2701
02:14:49.720 --> 02:14:52.760
<v Speaker 7>Okay with you.

2702
02:14:52.720 --> 02:14:54.039
<v Speaker 3>All right? Great Richard Smith.

2703
02:14:54.399 --> 02:14:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Utah Jazz made a trade today George dangas on his

2704
02:14:57.399 --> 02:15:00.800
<v Speaker 2>way back to Utah. The Celtics t Niang and two

2705
02:15:00.840 --> 02:15:03.039
<v Speaker 2>future second round picks to the Jazz for R. J.

2706
02:15:03.199 --> 02:15:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Lewis Junior and Boston saves money they get under the

2707
02:15:07.119 --> 02:15:09.680
<v Speaker 2>second apron, and the Jazz add a couple of more

2708
02:15:09.720 --> 02:15:12.800
<v Speaker 2>second round picks to their compendium of draft assets that

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02:15:12.840 --> 02:15:14.840
<v Speaker 2>at some point hopefully they turn into players that are

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02:15:14.840 --> 02:15:17.920
<v Speaker 2>good at basketball. So where Niang fits in the grand

2711
02:15:17.920 --> 02:15:20.920
<v Speaker 2>scheme of things? Smitty with some good stuff there. Maybe

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02:15:20.920 --> 02:15:23.800
<v Speaker 2>they buy him out prior to the season. Is George

2713
02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:25.479
<v Speaker 2>just wanting to come back to Salt Lake? Is he

2714
02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:28.439
<v Speaker 2>looking to play for a contending team? Bounced around a

2715
02:15:28.439 --> 02:15:30.960
<v Speaker 2>bit since he left Utah. Spent some time in Philly,

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02:15:31.680 --> 02:15:33.840
<v Speaker 2>spent some time a little bit of time in Atlanta,

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02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and of course Cleveland, where he went back and played

2718
02:15:36.000 --> 02:15:38.840
<v Speaker 2>with his buddy Donovan Mitchell. So a little bit of

2719
02:15:39.000 --> 02:15:42.800
<v Speaker 2>NBA news today, there was somewhat somewhat surprising Jazz making

2720
02:15:43.199 --> 02:15:45.920
<v Speaker 2>a deal. The Jazz at this point appear to have

2721
02:15:45.960 --> 02:15:49.880
<v Speaker 2>their roster set now. Of course things could change, excuse me,

2722
02:15:49.920 --> 02:15:52.279
<v Speaker 2>more trades could come down, but they have the maximum

2723
02:15:52.279 --> 02:15:55.439
<v Speaker 2>amount of players on the roster as of now, and

2724
02:15:55.520 --> 02:15:59.640
<v Speaker 2>I do believe they've met the salary floor. I think

2725
02:15:59.680 --> 02:16:03.479
<v Speaker 2>with Yang's salary, they now meet the quiet criteria to

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02:16:03.520 --> 02:16:04.600
<v Speaker 2>meet the salary floor.

2727
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<v Speaker 3>It's like one hundred and fifty million in change.

2728
02:16:07.880 --> 02:16:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Lowry's on the books for forty six point three Nurkics

2729
02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:15.239
<v Speaker 2>nineteen point three. Jordan Clarkson's salaries actually off the books.

2730
02:16:15.960 --> 02:16:19.319
<v Speaker 2>We'll see what happens. Kyle Anderson, Kevin Love. You know

2731
02:16:19.359 --> 02:16:21.840
<v Speaker 2>some of these veteran pieces, is there really a place

2732
02:16:21.880 --> 02:16:22.640
<v Speaker 2>for them on the team.

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02:16:22.720 --> 02:16:26.199
<v Speaker 3>So the song will always remind me of Happy.

2734
02:16:25.920 --> 02:16:31.399
<v Speaker 2>Gilmore, Speaking of which, have you watched Happy Gilmore too yet?

2735
02:16:31.520 --> 02:16:34.959
<v Speaker 3>On Netflix? Have you checked it out? I started watching it. Unfortunately,

2736
02:16:36.719 --> 02:16:37.159
<v Speaker 3>not good.

2737
02:16:38.280 --> 02:16:41.440
<v Speaker 5>It just it it felt more like grown ups than

2738
02:16:41.440 --> 02:16:45.399
<v Speaker 5>I did Happy Gilmore, which you know, that's kind of

2739
02:16:45.399 --> 02:16:47.120
<v Speaker 5>the route you're going in with with.

2740
02:16:47.120 --> 02:16:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Our guy at this at this hour. But yeah, I

2741
02:16:51.280 --> 02:16:54.000
<v Speaker 3>giggled a few times. I have not watched it yet.

2742
02:16:54.879 --> 02:16:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I will, and right now is probably a

2743
02:16:57.559 --> 02:17:01.280
<v Speaker 2>good time to check it out because do respect to the.

2744
02:17:01.239 --> 02:17:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Little League World Series, which.

2745
02:17:02.959 --> 02:17:05.959
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Utah, Nevada tonight at seven o'clock Mountain

2746
02:17:05.959 --> 02:17:09.239
<v Speaker 2>time on ESPN. It's a good time to get caught

2747
02:17:09.280 --> 02:17:11.040
<v Speaker 2>up on shows and movies when there's just not a

2748
02:17:11.040 --> 02:17:11.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of sports going on.

2749
02:17:11.959 --> 02:17:13.079
<v Speaker 3>So maybe I'll check it out tonight.

2750
02:17:13.879 --> 02:17:17.399
<v Speaker 2>Also, well, you're gonna guess the answer, right, because there's

2751
02:17:17.399 --> 02:17:20.959
<v Speaker 2>no other way for me to ask the question. The

2752
02:17:21.079 --> 02:17:25.239
<v Speaker 2>state in our country that has the most plastic surgery

2753
02:17:25.280 --> 02:17:27.559
<v Speaker 2>per capita is who this one?

2754
02:17:27.639 --> 02:17:30.079
<v Speaker 3>It's Utah? Yeah I knew that. Did you know that?

2755
02:17:31.520 --> 02:17:33.680
<v Speaker 2>According to what I read? And I wasn't like looking

2756
02:17:33.719 --> 02:17:36.920
<v Speaker 2>for the information. It just popped up thirteen plastic surgeons

2757
02:17:36.920 --> 02:17:38.680
<v Speaker 2>for every one thousand residents.

2758
02:17:39.000 --> 02:17:41.639
<v Speaker 3>Wow, we know the exact number, But yeah, I didn't

2759
02:17:41.639 --> 02:17:42.200
<v Speaker 3>know we were.

2760
02:17:42.079 --> 02:17:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Up there, which is the most in the country. What

2761
02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:46.920
<v Speaker 2>does that say. I'm not trying to psycho in. We

2762
02:17:46.920 --> 02:17:49.600
<v Speaker 2>don't have to intellectualize everything, but that's got to say

2763
02:17:49.600 --> 02:17:52.959
<v Speaker 2>something about culturally keeping up with the Joneses here.

2764
02:17:52.959 --> 02:17:53.399
<v Speaker 3>Does it not.

2765
02:17:53.520 --> 02:17:58.639
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely there's a thing there. There's a little cultural aspect to,

2766
02:17:59.079 --> 02:18:03.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, an appearance and looking a certain way. There's

2767
02:18:03.319 --> 02:18:09.000
<v Speaker 5>also disposable income here. Right when you got all the

2768
02:18:09.000 --> 02:18:12.680
<v Speaker 5>bills paid, well, you might look at other things. So

2769
02:18:13.040 --> 02:18:16.319
<v Speaker 5>there's a litany of things that play into this. But yeah,

2770
02:18:16.360 --> 02:18:19.680
<v Speaker 5>there's a there's certainly also a cultural aspect of trying

2771
02:18:19.680 --> 02:18:23.360
<v Speaker 5>to trying to look good for your friends, your fan.

2772
02:18:23.639 --> 02:18:25.959
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, have you ever had plastic surgery? No,

2773
02:18:26.239 --> 02:18:29.719
<v Speaker 5>you're only like thirty, Well I could. My nose is

2774
02:18:30.200 --> 02:18:32.600
<v Speaker 5>I've broken my nose like three times. I got some

2775
02:18:32.680 --> 02:18:35.000
<v Speaker 5>crooked teeth, I got a chipped tooth. At the moment,

2776
02:18:37.280 --> 02:18:39.479
<v Speaker 5>that's part of me, it's part of my story. I

2777
02:18:39.479 --> 02:18:42.079
<v Speaker 5>don't really care to fix it or make it look different.

2778
02:18:42.440 --> 02:18:45.200
<v Speaker 5>All right, And we'll see maybe a nose job in

2779
02:18:45.239 --> 02:18:45.680
<v Speaker 5>the future.

2780
02:18:45.719 --> 02:18:46.120
<v Speaker 3>All right.

2781
02:18:46.159 --> 02:18:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I guess if you live here, you're

2782
02:18:48.040 --> 02:18:51.079
<v Speaker 2>in good company. All right, fun show today, lot going

2783
02:18:51.120 --> 02:18:53.319
<v Speaker 2>on Porter, What comes our way? On a Wednesday edition

2784
02:18:53.440 --> 02:18:54.200
<v Speaker 2>of the program?

2785
02:18:54.840 --> 02:18:57.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, on a Wednesday edition of the Drive, of course,

2786
02:18:57.639 --> 02:19:01.280
<v Speaker 5>we'll continue talking some offseason football, off season hoops, maybe

2787
02:19:01.280 --> 02:19:03.319
<v Speaker 5>some baseball with our guy Tony Parks.

2788
02:19:03.360 --> 02:19:05.200
<v Speaker 3>All Right, Dave Fox stops by.

2789
02:19:05.440 --> 02:19:07.559
<v Speaker 5>Of course you'll be on TV with our friend Dave

2790
02:19:07.600 --> 02:19:10.079
<v Speaker 5>Fox a little bit later on and on a match day.

2791
02:19:10.799 --> 02:19:13.239
<v Speaker 5>I think Jason Christ will join us from Reale Saul

2792
02:19:13.360 --> 02:19:15.520
<v Speaker 5>Lakes some off season football with Max Chadwick.

2793
02:19:15.799 --> 02:19:18.079
<v Speaker 3>Our friends from Fiddler's are going to be in studio.

2794
02:19:18.159 --> 02:19:21.799
<v Speaker 5>Yes, Fiddler's is u is returned to sugar House, so

2795
02:19:22.360 --> 02:19:23.799
<v Speaker 5>a bunch on the show on a humpday.

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<v Speaker 2>Join us for a Wednesday show that will be a

2797
02:19:26.040 --> 02:19:28.159
<v Speaker 2>fun program. We'll say goodnight and a special thank you

2798
02:19:28.159 --> 02:19:30.719
<v Speaker 2>today to Kyle bonne Gera, Spencer Lytton, Dave Bartwo and

2799
02:19:30.840 --> 02:19:32.479
<v Speaker 2>Richard Smith for any of the sad you may have missed.

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2802
02:19:38.680 --> 02:19:40.920
<v Speaker 2>for what we do in our space every afternoon, check

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02:19:40.959 --> 02:19:43.079
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02:19:43.159 --> 02:19:45.360
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02:19:45.440 --> 02:19:47.239
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2806
02:19:47.280 --> 02:19:49.760
<v Speaker 2>all the stars. He's pored on. Spence say tonight, I'll

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02:19:49.799 --> 02:19:52.159
<v Speaker 2>be on TV with Dave tonight ten thirty five CAM.

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02:19:54.360 --> 02:19:56.319
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