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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Michael Monks from KFI News. We got another hour together,

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<v Speaker 2>reporting live from our studio here in Burbank. We want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from you. Open up the iHeartRadio app. Click

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<v Speaker 2>on that talkback button. If you want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the reparations report that came out this afternoon. We talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it last hour, Or if you have any feelings

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<v Speaker 2>about the potential for federal illegal immigration raids here in

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<v Speaker 2>La as apparently forecasted in an article by the La Times,

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<v Speaker 2>or what we're going to be talking about next, which

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<v Speaker 2>is rebuilding the Palisades and Alta Dina and how challenging

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be just because of how difficult it

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<v Speaker 2>is to build anything around here. First, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>let you know, of course, Governor Gavin Newsom has enacted

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<v Speaker 2>the new legislation to quote trump proof California. He says

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<v Speaker 2>this bill will bolster funding for legal service programs or

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<v Speaker 2>what he says are vital to safeguarding the civil rights

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<v Speaker 2>of Californians. He wrote a letter to lawmakers and Sacramento

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<v Speaker 2>saying that none of the funding in the bill is

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<v Speaker 2>intended to be used for immigration related legal services for

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<v Speaker 2>non citizens convicted of serious or violent felonies. The series

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<v Speaker 2>of bills allocates twenty five million dollars to the California

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Justice to support legal battles against President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and his policies. And then there's another twenty five million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars designated to legal aid groups to assist immigrants who

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<v Speaker 2>are facing potential deportation that has been signed into law

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<v Speaker 2>as California tries to Trump proof itself. I bring that

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<v Speaker 2>up here at the top of this segment because we're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in a position where we're in need of

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<v Speaker 2>support from the federal government here in southern California because

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<v Speaker 2>of the disastrous wildfires that ravaged multiple parts of Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles County weeks ago. You know, you can still touch

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<v Speaker 2>the burns, and so is this the right time for

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<v Speaker 2>a little match between local state governments and the feds.

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<v Speaker 2>Want's see how this plays out, because we know President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's not a big fan of Gavin Newsom.

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<v Speaker 2>Gavin Newsom's not a big fan of President Trump. But

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<v Speaker 2>then here locally, who's the boss and what is their

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<v Speaker 2>relationship going to be with President Trump in the federal government,

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<v Speaker 2>Because they are going to need a lot of money

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<v Speaker 2>to rebuild the Palisades and rebuild Altadna. But even if

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<v Speaker 2>the money comes in, they were going to be immense

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<v Speaker 2>challenges because there already are. Even before the fires rolled in,

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<v Speaker 2>it was almost impossible to build anything. I was at

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<v Speaker 2>a city council meeting this week, and one member of

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<v Speaker 2>council explained it takes an average of eight hundred days

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<v Speaker 2>to build a single family home in the city of

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<v Speaker 2>La eight hundred days from permitting to building. Eight hundred days.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that might be to build a single family home

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<v Speaker 2>for somebody who already has a place to live, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who's moving across town. We're talking about building homes

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<v Speaker 2>where there are no homes anymore, people who do not

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<v Speaker 2>have homes anymore. And so you're hearing from city officials

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<v Speaker 2>and county officials about how much faster things.

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<v Speaker 3>Are going to go. But do you believe that?

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<v Speaker 2>And then some of these efforts would have the efforts

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to speed things up could have bad consequences

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<v Speaker 2>according to people who want to see better housing policy

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<v Speaker 2>in the long run, or maybe some reform to the

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<v Speaker 2>way we zone neighborhoods, and do you trust the local

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<v Speaker 2>government to get that right. It's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting time to see how not just Alta Dinas rebuilt,

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<v Speaker 2>not just the Palisades is rebuilt, but how local government

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<v Speaker 2>changes in the city of La and the County of La.

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<v Speaker 2>I've paid very close attention by attending nearly all of

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<v Speaker 2>the local government meetings for the past year, and it

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<v Speaker 2>has often surprised me about what they get excited about,

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<v Speaker 2>where the priorities are. When you can see the challenges

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<v Speaker 2>by just opening your eyes, you think, why an't they

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this?

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<v Speaker 3>Why are they talk about how dark it is at night?

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<v Speaker 2>Why aren't they talking about how many homeless people that

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<v Speaker 2>are standing outside of this business that can probably barely

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<v Speaker 2>afford to pay its rent. But now there is a

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<v Speaker 2>sense of urgency, at least they say, anyway to rebuild

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<v Speaker 2>these two devastated neighborhoods where people's lives have been ruined.

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor Bass has appointed a recovery cesar, Steve sober Off,

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<v Speaker 2>a familiar name. He's being paid half a million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>over the next three months, not a bad salary. Huh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not your tax dollars. Apparently charitable groups, the philanthropic community.

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<v Speaker 2>As Mayor Bass puts, it will be covering the five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars salary for Steve sober Off over the

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<v Speaker 2>next three months. He's also got a consulting firm to

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor Bass is where the bus bucks stop, she said

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<v Speaker 2>so herself. But we've also got our recoveries are now

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<v Speaker 2>at the county. Of course, we have the board of Supervisors.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a supervisor who represents the Palisades, which is

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<v Speaker 2>in the city of la and then we have a

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<v Speaker 2>supervisor who represents Altadena, Katherine Barger. She's put together a

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<v Speaker 2>commission as well to help the rebuilding of Alta Dina.

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<v Speaker 2>She's going to chair that herself. So already it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fractured, right, there's not a unified march towards rebuilding.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people's focus might only be on Palisades. Some people's

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<v Speaker 2>focus may only be on Alta Dina. Of course, these

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<v Speaker 2>were very different communities in a lot of ways, but

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<v Speaker 2>the seriousness of the destruction is exactly the same. The

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<v Speaker 2>situation faced by the families and the businesses. That's all

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<v Speaker 2>the same right now, So are we all marching in

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<v Speaker 2>the same direction?

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<v Speaker 3>Should we be?

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<v Speaker 2>Give us a call way in iHeartRadio app. Click on

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<v Speaker 2>the talkback button. We'll play some of your messages before

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock and up next, we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>just how challenging it is to build anything in La

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<v Speaker 2>or La County, and how some of these decisions could

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<v Speaker 2>have long term consequences that folks aren't discussing enough. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to a guy who says the La County Board

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<v Speaker 2>of Supervisor's recent resolution about asking the state to suspend

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<v Speaker 2>various legal protections for property owners in burned areas should

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<v Speaker 2>be a national scandal.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get to him next.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>KFI AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Michael Monks from KFI News with you until nine

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock tonight. The recovery has begun here in La La

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<v Speaker 2>County in the wake of the Palisades and Eton fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Is in fact, the City of LA's new ad hoc

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<v Speaker 2>committee from the City Council focused on Recovery in the

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<v Speaker 2>Palisades has had its first official meeting, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to share a clip from a woman who spoke at

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<v Speaker 2>this meeting because it indicates just how stressed these folks

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<v Speaker 2>are and how emotional they are. Role if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>mind playing that, we do.

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<v Speaker 4>Not have time to negotiate with our insurance companies. I

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<v Speaker 4>do not need to throw Steve sober Off under the bus.

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<v Speaker 4>But at one of the meetings recently, he said we

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<v Speaker 4>all should hire attorneys. You want seven thousand damage structures,

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<v Speaker 4>hiring individual attorneys and bringing negligence claims which are very valid.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't want that. This is an unprecedented time. Help

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<v Speaker 4>us negotiate with the insurance companies to pay out at

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<v Speaker 4>our policy levels. We are drowning in the minutia and

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<v Speaker 4>the details. We don't have time to mourn the loss

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<v Speaker 4>of our community, of our family, of our friends. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>these are this is our family, these are our people.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think people understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the first meeting, and the reference to

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<v Speaker 2>Steve sober Off, of course, is that's the guy that

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor bass Is appointed. As the recoveries are making half

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<v Speaker 2>a million dollars over the next three months, all from

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<v Speaker 2>philanthropic charitable donations to cover that immense salary. He's overseeing

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<v Speaker 2>the rebuilding of the Palisades. We're joined live now by M.

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<v Speaker 2>Nolan Gray, the Senior Director of Legislation and Research at

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<v Speaker 2>California YIMBI common acronym for Yes in My Backyard. He's

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<v Speaker 2>also the author of Arbitrary Lines, How Zoning Broke the

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<v Speaker 2>American City and How to Fix It. Nolan, I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>glad you could be back with us again.

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<v Speaker 5>We thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So we heard the urgency in that woman's voice, and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm getting mixed signals from government officials,

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<v Speaker 2>from political commentators or civic leaders as well as residents.

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<v Speaker 3>How fast should we go? How slow should we go?

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's reopening roads and letting people inspect or getting

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<v Speaker 2>down the building stuff. Are we moving too fast? Are

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<v Speaker 2>we moving too slow? Or is there a goldilocks pace

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<v Speaker 2>we could find that is just right to get this going?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I think the city and the county of

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<v Speaker 5>the whole is really in an impossible situation here. On

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<v Speaker 5>the one hand, of course, they want to be in

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<v Speaker 5>a situation where they can say to people who've lost

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<v Speaker 5>their homes, hey, we're going to get you building as

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<v Speaker 5>quickly as possible. On the other hand, there's going to

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<v Speaker 5>be delays that the city and county do not control

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<v Speaker 5>associated with insurance. And then they're also potentially broader structural

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<v Speaker 5>changes that need to happen as part of this. You

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<v Speaker 5>know that we know these communities were vulnerable in part

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<v Speaker 5>to the fires because of broader issues with how Los

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<v Speaker 5>Angeles is planned, and so those are sort of changes

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<v Speaker 5>that are going to require long term adjustment. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's a really, really impossible situation, and we're

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<v Speaker 5>going to have to make some painful trade offs in

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to talk to you about those how Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles is planned, because you had an article, I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the flames were still burning. You had an article published

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<v Speaker 2>by The Atlantic about how it was more than just wins,

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<v Speaker 2>how it was more than just the brush. Its policies

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<v Speaker 2>here in Los Angeles and help fuel those fires, And

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to get into that with you. But first,

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<v Speaker 2>we are dealing with the county government and we are

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with the city government. Neither of them are celebrated

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<v Speaker 2>for how quickly they are able to move things along

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<v Speaker 2>for the average citizen. I heard a city council member

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<v Speaker 2>just this week say it takes an average of eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred days to build a single family home in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the city has now voted for a report

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<v Speaker 2>because nothing ever happens vast, but they've asked for a

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<v Speaker 2>report in thirty days to see if they can allow

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<v Speaker 2>people like architects to self certify in order to speed

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<v Speaker 2>up the permitting process a little bit. Do you anticipate

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<v Speaker 2>that there will be permanent changes to the way the

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<v Speaker 2>city and the county government deal with building things because

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<v Speaker 2>of these fires.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's so essential. You know, Los Angeles went

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<v Speaker 5>into this crisis being very very very slow on permitting,

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<v Speaker 5>and that was already hurting us. You know, we came

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<v Speaker 5>into this month, We came into January with a housing

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<v Speaker 5>shortage of about a half a million units, right, and

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<v Speaker 5>we come out of January with sixteen thousand homes destroyed.

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<v Speaker 5>As you say, it already took months, sometimes years, just

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<v Speaker 5>to get through the planning and the permitting process to

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<v Speaker 5>build a home, to say nothing of actually getting the

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<v Speaker 5>home built, eventually, getting an inspector out getting somebody into

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<v Speaker 5>that home. We're just not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 5>work on the same timelines that we were working on

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<v Speaker 5>before the wildfires, and that's going to require some serious

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<v Speaker 5>change in how we do permitting. I think self certification,

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of other states already do that. A lot

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<v Speaker 5>of other countries already do that in many cases, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>having the licensed professional, having the bonding and insurance requirements

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<v Speaker 5>protect the consumer, and frankly, they're much better protected than

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<v Speaker 2>The Board of Supervisors passed a series of resolutions a

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<v Speaker 2>to suspend some legal protections for property owners in the

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<v Speaker 2>burned areas, which would include their right to build a

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<v Speaker 2>and also to allow for reasonable permit timelines and more.

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<v Speaker 2>You said on Twitter, I saw you say this this

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<v Speaker 2>What the board of supervisors has voted. They're doing this

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<v Speaker 2>what are we missing about what they're seeing and what

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<v Speaker 5>You know, under the current status quo policies and procedures.

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<v Speaker 5>in right now is the sort of arbitrage of or

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<v Speaker 5>triage of Okay, well, let's say, okay, if you just

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<v Speaker 5>rebuild the exact same home that existed before, we'll put

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<v Speaker 5>you to the front of the line for permitting and

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<v Speaker 5>don't on the one hanging Out's kind of reasonable. But

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<v Speaker 5>there's two things that I think are really important to

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<v Speaker 5>folks who want to rebuild. You know, you're saying to them, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>you can only rebuild a home that's one hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>ten percent the size of what existed before. So you

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<v Speaker 5>neighbors or friends or family who are also displaced. You

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<v Speaker 5>can't build an accessory dwelling unit Pursuato state law again

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<v Speaker 5>housing your neighbors who are displaced. So that's one aspect

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<v Speaker 5>of it. I think another aspect of it, a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of these folks were uninsured, especially in Altadena, they were

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<v Speaker 5>uninsured or underinsured, and they're not going to get a

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<v Speaker 5>payout at any point unless the government ponies up money

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<v Speaker 5>that we don't have right now. Realistically, the only way

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<v Speaker 5>they're going to be made whole is if they can

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<v Speaker 5>sell the land or work with a local developer who

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<v Speaker 5>get back some of the wealth that was lost. And

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<v Speaker 5>the more we constrain the opportunities for those people, the

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<v Speaker 5>of recoup any of the wealth that was destroyed by

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<v Speaker 5>the fire. And I think that's a really dangerous situation

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<v Speaker 2>We are looking at satellite images or if you are

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<v Speaker 2>yourself from the street level. It's just devastating that basically

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<v Speaker 2>all that's left is the land, and so how do

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<v Speaker 2>the best. Those are the questions that you seem to

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>KFI AM six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Michael Monks from KFI News. We're with you till

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock tonight. We're talking about the painful process of

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<v Speaker 2>rebuilding in the Palisades and in Alta Dina. Our guest

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<v Speaker 2>right now is m Nolan Gray, the Senior Director of

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<v Speaker 2>Legislation and Research at California YIMBI that means in my backyard,

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<v Speaker 2>and the author of Arbitrary Lines. How zoning Broke the

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<v Speaker 2>American City and How to fix it. Nolan before we

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<v Speaker 2>went to break. I think I'm trying to understand some

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<v Speaker 2>left behind in this absolute carnage of these neighborhoods. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>is there some sort of mechanism by which people could

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<v Speaker 2>look at the land where their beautiful home once stood

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<v Speaker 2>and say, I think I do want to do something

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<v Speaker 2>different here. We mentioned before we went to break that

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<v Speaker 2>it's faster to just go back down to the government

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<v Speaker 2>office and say, yeah, we're rebuilding the exact same house

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<v Speaker 2>as close to it as we can anyway to speed

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<v Speaker 2>it up. But can they split those lots, build a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of homes, a couple of accelerate accessory dwelling units

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<v Speaker 2>and possibly have a better situation for themselves financially, so

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<v Speaker 2>any returns they get from the insurance companies.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely. Over the last few years, the state legislature has

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<v Speaker 5>passed a lot of laws that really strengthened the rights

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<v Speaker 5>housing on their lots. So, of course, many folks in

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<v Speaker 5>Alta Dunam Palisades might just want to go back and

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<v Speaker 5>rebuild exactly what was there, or build something slightly larger.

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<v Speaker 5>If they're rebuilding exactly what was there, it seems like

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<v Speaker 5>the city and the county are putting them at the

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<v Speaker 5>front of the line. If they want to build almost

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<v Speaker 5>anything else, it seems like it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit tougher. But under state law, potentially they could

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<v Speaker 5>add an accessory dwelling unit some people call it a

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<v Speaker 5>granny flat or a casita, an additional unit. They could

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<v Speaker 5>build a duplex, or split the lot and build two

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<v Speaker 5>homes under a law called SB nine, or depending on

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<v Speaker 5>the size of the lot, they could build a small

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<v Speaker 5>in one of the units and sell the other units off.

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<v Speaker 5>So they have a lot of options. I think something

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<v Speaker 5>that has been worrying is that the county requested that

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<v Speaker 5>the state exempt the affected areas from a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of these laws on the idea of just trying to

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<v Speaker 5>rebuild exactly what was there. Again. But the really important

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<v Speaker 5>thing to keep in mind here is the best thing

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<v Speaker 5>we can do for the affected family and households right

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<v Speaker 5>now is to give them the most possible options.

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<v Speaker 2>You've noted that some of the people who lost their homes.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they've lived there a long time, maybe their mortgages

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<v Speaker 2>had been paid off, and they didn't have insurance. So

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing that's left is the value of that land.

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<v Speaker 2>So what does suspending the state laws or requesting to

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<v Speaker 2>suspend them anyway due to folks like that, Well, for.

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<v Speaker 5>Folks who might completely reasonably say, hey, look, this was

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<v Speaker 5>a traumatic event we just went through. We're going to

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<v Speaker 5>or something of that nature and then move away. For

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<v Speaker 5>those folks, right, but the most important thing is making

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<v Speaker 5>sure that the land can be used for a variety

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<v Speaker 5>of different things. And so of course, if you can

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<v Speaker 5>sell the land on the premise that you can build

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<v Speaker 5>a duplex on it with an accessory dwelling unit, or

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<v Speaker 5>you could build four townhouses on it, that land is

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<v Speaker 5>a lot more valuable than if you say to that family, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>the only thing you can build on this lot is

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<v Speaker 5>the exact same thing family home that was there before

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<v Speaker 5>the fires. And so what you're essentially doing is you're

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<v Speaker 5>just you're reducing the land wealth that a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>these affected families have.

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<v Speaker 2>You wrote in the Atlantic while the fires were still raging,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this was published on January eleventh. Those flames

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<v Speaker 2>were still hot in the policades in an Alta, Dina

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<v Speaker 2>that there were policies in LA that helped fuel those fires.

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<v Speaker 2>Well intentioned policies is what the headline says. And you

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that the real story of the wildfires isn't about

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<v Speaker 2>malice or incompetence, It's about well intentioned policies with unintended consequences.

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<v Speaker 3>What can you tell us about that?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, you know, And as I was writing that, right,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, like a lot of Los Angeles there was

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<v Speaker 5>alerts going out of hey, you need to be ready

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<v Speaker 5>to get out. Briefly, the part of West LA I

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<v Speaker 5>was in had a potential evacuation order or evacuation notice,

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<v Speaker 5>so very real for me, and I think a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of Angelina's, you know. I think part of what I

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<v Speaker 5>was hoping to just clarify is, Hey, this is it

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<v Speaker 5>was a long road to get to a point like this,

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<v Speaker 5>and if we don't take this moment to seriously reflect

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<v Speaker 5>that how we got here, we're going to continue to

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<v Speaker 5>make the same mistakes. I think something that we've done

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<v Speaker 5>over the last fifty years in California and especially here

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<v Speaker 5>in Los Angeles is we've pushed and pulled people into

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<v Speaker 5>unsafe areas and not made the investments needed to mitigate

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<v Speaker 5>that risk. On the one hand, right we had I

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<v Speaker 5>think politically very wise decisions to restrict insurance premiums and

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<v Speaker 5>areas that were at long term risk of fires. Understandably,

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<v Speaker 5>nobody likes paying a higher premium, but those premiums are

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<v Speaker 5>communicating risk and potentially providing motivation to take fire abatement actions,

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<v Speaker 5>And we kind of hid the risk from generations of

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<v Speaker 5>areas really were at risk of fire. So that's one

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<v Speaker 5>thing we did. We artificially suppressed these sort of insurance

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<v Speaker 5>premiums and and other sorts of measures that would have

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<v Speaker 5>communicated risk and let people make smart decisions about the

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<v Speaker 5>carry offs. The second thing we were doing is kind

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<v Speaker 5>of pushing folks out into this out into these air is.

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<v Speaker 5>This wasn't so much true in the Palisades or Altadena,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, the parts of Greater Los Angeles where

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<v Speaker 5>exactly at risk of these types of events going forward.

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<v Speaker 5>Out on the outer wildlife urban interface, wildland urban interface.

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<v Speaker 5>And what we've essentially done is we've made it really, really,

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<v Speaker 5>really hard to build housing and some of the safest

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<v Speaker 5>areas of Greater Los Angeles, and we made it very

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<v Speaker 5>easy to build housing in some of the most dangerous areas.

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<v Speaker 5>And so, you know, if we want to sort of

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<v Speaker 5>with these two policies.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's obviously still early. These wounds in Altadena, these wounds

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<v Speaker 2>in the Palisades are still very fresh. But we saw

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<v Speaker 2>about freezing rents basically citywide in the wake of these fires.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a policy that might have garnered pretty quick

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<v Speaker 2>support just generically from folks, but I've noted that there

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<v Speaker 2>are elected members of city council who are saying to

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<v Speaker 2>other members of council, don't use this tragedy to push

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<v Speaker 2>your political agendas, when maybe a year ago that would

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<v Speaker 2>have been all of their political agenda. And I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 2>if we're going to see that at the county level

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<v Speaker 2>as well. As I'm watching these events unfold. I present

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<v Speaker 2>that to you because I'm wondering if that shift extends

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<v Speaker 2>into the bureaucracy as well. You've noted that the next

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<v Speaker 2>change in elected governance. I'm wondering if there's going to

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<v Speaker 2>about extremely consequential for the next year, because I'm feeling

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<v Speaker 2>the same vibe.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we already had a debilitating housing shortage coming into

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty five, and now we have tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 5>of Angelino's who are out of a home, or many

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<v Speaker 5>more tens of thousands of a Julino's who maybe were

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<v Speaker 5>near the areas that were affected by that, and they're thinking, Hey,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to move, I want to get somewhere that

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<v Speaker 5>where this is not going to happen in the next

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<v Speaker 5>ten years. You know, this is this is really important.

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<v Speaker 5>Right again, Even coming into all of this crisis, we

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<v Speaker 5>had a lot of Angelina spending more than the half

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<v Speaker 5>of their income on rent. Young Angelinas have no path

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<v Speaker 5>to home ownership. We've got tens of thousands of people

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<v Speaker 5>living on the streets. There's going to be this surge

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<v Speaker 5>and housing demand and safe areas, and unless we have

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<v Speaker 5>a commensurate response, things are just going to get much

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<v Speaker 5>much worse. And so I'm hoping to see more leadership

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<v Speaker 5>at the top communicating to all parts, Hey, let's get

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<v Speaker 5>these projects through. Let's get stuff bill in the near term.

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<v Speaker 5>It's tricky, right do you freeze rents now during an emergency?

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<v Speaker 5>I think, you know, I think there are arguments for

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<v Speaker 5>both sides of that, but we have to be doing

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<v Speaker 5>the sort of long term things, actually get the housing built.

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<v Speaker 5>All of the problems that we had coming into the

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<v Speaker 5>fires are just compounded. This was a generational disaster. It's

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<v Speaker 5>the sort of thing that should be motivating big, deep conversations.

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<v Speaker 5>And I know that, you know, folks are saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>let's let's pause, let's let's you know, let's not talk

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<v Speaker 5>about policy ideas while you know the meet and aftermath

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<v Speaker 5>of this. This is precisely the leadership that the people

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<v Speaker 5>who are affected actually need, and we need to be

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<v Speaker 5>having a big picture conversation about how we not only

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<v Speaker 5>help them rebuild and get housed and remain in LA

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<v Speaker 5>if they want to remain in LA. But how do

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<v Speaker 5>we avoid this from happening to hundreds of thousands of

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<v Speaker 5>people in the next few years.

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<v Speaker 2>Nolan Gray is the Senior Director of Legislation and Research

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<v Speaker 2>at California Gimbie and the author of Arbitrary Lines. How

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<v Speaker 2>Zoning Broke the American City and How to Fix It.

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<v Speaker 2>M Nolan Gray Man, I can't think of anything better

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<v Speaker 2>on a beautiful Saturday night in southern California than talking

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<v Speaker 2>about zoning and housing policy. I'm so grateful that he

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<v Speaker 2>came in and did it again with us, and hope

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<v Speaker 2>we can reach out to you again soon.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks so much, my pleasure, talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, up next, you know we're not out of

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<v Speaker 2>the woods yet. When it comes to weather, we got

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<v Speaker 2>another storm on the way. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that next.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>KFI AM six forty. We are live everywhere on the

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<v Speaker 2>iHeartRadio app. I'm Michael mun from k FI News here

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<v Speaker 2>to finish up our two hours on Saturday night together.

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<v Speaker 2>So grateful that you listened to us talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>news that has gone down in the week leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to this, and it's always my pleasure to bring you

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<v Speaker 2>the news during the week along with the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>our news team in talkcosts here at k f I.

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<v Speaker 2>We also love hearing from you. Let's hear from Pete.

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<v Speaker 2>He had something to say about Mayor Bass and the

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<v Speaker 2>fire recovery.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Karen Bass claims she's gonna run investigation about the

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<v Speaker 6>fire department about it was understaffed and didn't have the

486
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<v Speaker 6>mechanics to deploy them as well as staffing. Well, she

487
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<v Speaker 6>cut the funding and that's what the investigation go to show.

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<v Speaker 6>Get your handcuffs ready.

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<v Speaker 2>We always appreciate the feedback and yes, Mayor Bass was

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<v Speaker 2>asked this week about why so many fire trucks and

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<v Speaker 2>other emergency vehicles were sitting idle awaiting mechanical service, apparently

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<v Speaker 2>as the fire in the Palisade started. She says that

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<v Speaker 2>will be looked into by the Fire Commission first. She

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<v Speaker 2>also says that the state will have some investigations as well,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's going to be a lot to answer for

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<v Speaker 2>leading up to the fires, what happened during the fires,

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<v Speaker 2>and what is going to happen now that they are

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<v Speaker 2>behind us, and we'll continue to cover that.

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<v Speaker 3>Here at KFI. Don't forget.

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<v Speaker 2>You can follow me on social media and the news

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm covering for KFI. Mike monks La at Mike

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<v Speaker 2>monks La. That's miicmnks La at Mike Monk's La. Something

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<v Speaker 2>else that is coming to the Southland is another battle

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<v Speaker 2>with rain, apparently, and this so called atmospheric river is

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<v Speaker 2>a major one. We've been told to prepare for the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't catch your break now, can wait? They're calling us

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<v Speaker 2>a major atmospheric river storm, strong enough to rival some

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<v Speaker 2>of the extreme storms that are wallap southern California in

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<v Speaker 2>recent winters. According to the La Times, they say Santa

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara and San Luis Obispo could get the brunt of

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, but it's also gonna hit La and Ventura Counties. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>by the time it hits Orange County it will have

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<v Speaker 2>weakened a little bit, but they're talking about some pretty

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<v Speaker 2>serious rain. According to The Times, this storm, forecast to

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<v Speaker 2>reach southern California sometime before Valentine's Day, is expected to

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<v Speaker 2>be the strongest of the winter so far. That's according

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<v Speaker 2>to the National Weather Service in Oxnard. We could see

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<v Speaker 2>two to four inches of rain along the coast and

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<v Speaker 2>in the valleys, four to eight inches or more in

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<v Speaker 2>the mountains and the foothills. They say. The higher chance

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<v Speaker 2>of that kind of rainfall is in Santa Barbara and

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<v Speaker 2>San Luis Obispo counties, but a thirty percent chance in

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<v Speaker 2>La and Ventura counties. The Weather Service also says this

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<v Speaker 2>rainfall could be extreme along the lines of a powerful

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<v Speaker 2>powerful storm from January of two years ago which forced

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<v Speaker 2>mass evacuations of Montecito and other communities, So be prepared

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<v Speaker 2>for some extreme weather that is on the way again

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<v Speaker 2>next week. It looks like a lot of rainfall, could

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<v Speaker 2>be a wet Valentine's Day as well, And of course

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<v Speaker 2>we've got these burn areas that are vulnerable to mudslines

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<v Speaker 2>and debris falls, so a lot of things to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the lookout for. We definitely don't need any more

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<v Speaker 2>disasters here. We haven't had a lot of rain, though

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<v Speaker 2>we got a little bit this week, but it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty dry winter so far. Downtown La receiving just

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<v Speaker 2>about two inches of rain since the water year began

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<v Speaker 2>on October first, and almost all of that has been

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<v Speaker 2>since late last month. Typically at this point in the year,

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<v Speaker 2>we got almost eight inches in downtown ally, so not

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, not a lot. Yes, there is a big

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<v Speaker 2>football game tomorrow as well. I know you're excited about it,

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<v Speaker 2>even if your team is not in it. But Raoul Cortes,

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<v Speaker 2>our board operator, our technical producer, his team isn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>Kansas City Chiefs fan, he's got a shirt on. Are

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<v Speaker 3>you bored with this?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is it?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump likes to tell you're gonna be so tired

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<v Speaker 2>of winning? Are you tired of winning? I'm tired of

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<v Speaker 2>you winning. I know you are.

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<v Speaker 7>I know everybody is.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh No, I'm not tired. Of course.

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<v Speaker 7>We are witnessing greatness either way, honestly, because I am

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<v Speaker 7>a Jalen Hurts fan as well. So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 7>like when he was with Bama. I really thought he

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<v Speaker 7>was going to be like a big phenomenon. And look

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<v Speaker 7>he's at the super Bowl twice. So both guys are amazing.

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<v Speaker 7>We're witnessing greatness. Let's watch do the Chiefs win again tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 7>I will say, yes, of course they will. What do

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<v Speaker 7>you do for Super Bowl Sunday? I mean, is it

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<v Speaker 7>a big deal for you? Is it a big to

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<v Speaker 7>do or are you a guy who needs to watch

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<v Speaker 7>it alone?

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<v Speaker 3>I watch it alone.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And I was gonna watch it with my family,

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<v Speaker 7>but they changed the plans on me today and expected

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<v Speaker 7>me to go with that, and I'm not going with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna watch it alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Is your whole family chiefs fans somehow?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh?

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<v Speaker 7>No, only only the people that are from Missouri.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's your connection to is you've got a Missouri clan?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. My stepdad and his family, they were his family.

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<v Speaker 7>He was a Rams guy, but his family is from

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<v Speaker 7>Springfield and they taught me football when I was like eighteen,

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't care. I was a music guy and I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't care about football. And they were like, what, let's

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<v Speaker 7>we'll tell you about this guy named Derek Thomas, and

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<v Speaker 7>let's tell you about this guy and Willie like this.

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<v Speaker 3>It just explained everything to me.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's how I learned about football because the other

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<v Speaker 7>side of the family was Raider fans, and they never

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<v Speaker 7>explained anything. They were just like, we're Raider fans. And

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, why why are we Raider fans?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, we just are.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I don't think so. So when I was taught football.

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<v Speaker 7>I was taught by Chiefs fans, and that's why I'm

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<v Speaker 7>a Chief fan.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, we I hope you're smiling tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. I mean, I got no dog in that fight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what I'll be doing. I always do

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<v Speaker 2>grocery shopping on Sundays anyway, And I'm not like anti football.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed the Super Bowl as much as any red

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<v Speaker 2>blooded American. But I love going out while everyone's watching

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<v Speaker 2>the super Bowl because there is nothing else. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>one around. I have the whole grocery store of myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I can sniff everything, I can taste it all. No

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<v Speaker 2>one's looking.

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<v Speaker 7>Now. Wait, wait, wait, though you know a little bit

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<v Speaker 7>for Kelsey, he's from your home area, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you know he's got University of Cincinnati connections.

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<v Speaker 2>You know when you're from the Kentucky side of the

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<v Speaker 2>CINCINNTI metro. Though that doesn't mean anything to you. You

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<v Speaker 2>know your team's are either you know, NKU Northern Kentucky

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<v Speaker 2>or UK University of Kentucky, and you know just don't

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<v Speaker 2>care about that. But you know, I wish them all

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<v Speaker 2>the best. I hope everyone has a good time. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope both teams have a good time, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>that I hope everybody listening has a good time as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Be safe out there, don't eat too much, definitely don't

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<v Speaker 2>drink too much, especially if you are driving.

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<v Speaker 3>And I look forward to the commercials myself. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 3>tuning in again.

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<v Speaker 2>Always enjoy being with you on Saturday nights from seven

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<v Speaker 2>to nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Michael Monks from KFI News. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>again next week. We'll have a special two hours on

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<v Speaker 2>the fires, the cleanup effort, the experience of folks who

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<v Speaker 2>survived it, and what comes next. So for our producer

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew Toffler and our technical producer Rauel Cortes. Again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Monks. Follow us online at Mike Monks LA, m

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<v Speaker 2>I CMO nks LA, and we'll see you back here

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<v Speaker 2>all week doing the news and back here next week

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<v Speaker 2>doing the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for listening.

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