Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was or
Speaker 1: was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through
Speaker 1: the window now and I don't see anything. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better New York. Hello,
Speaker 1: get somebody out here when I'm out there. I thought
Speaker 1: of a bit of about tick what nine? I don't know?
Speaker 1: Easy him out there. Yeah, I'm booking right head.
Speaker 2: Greetings from Alaska. My name is fred Roll Curry, young
Speaker 2: trouble member from Deneham, Alaska. Today, I want to share
Speaker 2: an experience that happened with Eric s. He agreed to
Speaker 2: be interviewed. It's just not going to happen till later on, once
Speaker 2: I'm closer to the area. He's at. It was near
Speaker 2: Campwell off the Dnalley Highway where this particular encounter happened
Speaker 2: with Eric and his fiance at the time. Unfortunately they're
Speaker 2: no longer engaged. What in the path news. He had
Speaker 2: been going to the spot for twenty four years, every year,
Speaker 2: same time of year, never had an issue ever, not
Speaker 2: even weird al hoots, none of that stuff to standard
Speaker 2: Alaskan critters, no big deal. Since he's freshly engaged at
Speaker 2: this point, he decided, you know what, I've been doing this,
Speaker 2: it's a passion. I'm going to bring her in on it,
Speaker 2: get her laced up, basically, get her on board with
Speaker 2: his yearly routine. He's used to spending a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks every year out there just doing his thing, not
Speaker 2: necessarily hunting, but getting out backpacking, exploring the area, trying
Speaker 2: to photograph wildlife, caribou, etc. Just outdoors the stuff. Not
Speaker 2: necessarily out to kill anything, although he was armed. It's Alaska.
Speaker 2: Everything wants to get shit. They make it out. They're
Speaker 2: just south of the Dnnaley Highway and on the motorized side.
Speaker 2: He had given me the place. When I interview on
Speaker 2: my I let him explain what ends up happening is
Speaker 2: they get there, they get set up, no issues. First
Speaker 2: couple of nights, it's great. She's really digging his Alaskan lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Now he's an important He's not First Nations, but in Alaskan.
Speaker 2: To me, if you've been up here for a few
Speaker 2: years and you've gone through the winter bs, you're own LASKI.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to put my mind's eye in his situation.
Speaker 2: So he's got this newbie to the woods. I think
Speaker 2: she was originally from Connecticut, used to the woods there,
Speaker 2: non issue. So first couple of nights it's nothing. They
Speaker 2: go on to hike. The third morning, they're on this
Speaker 2: hike and they've already hiked that place five six times
Speaker 2: already in the last couple of days, because they just
Speaker 2: go out for an hour at a time or so,
Speaker 2: staying close to camp. The bears were on the move,
Speaker 2: so they didn't want to necessarily be out too much,
Speaker 2: but they didn't want to just sit there. So on
Speaker 2: their excursion, just as they were getting away from camp,
Speaker 2: just out of sight, third morning, they hear a long,
Speaker 2: moaning groan. It sounded like something really big, basically sobbing.
Speaker 2: It is what he said it sounded like, he said,
Speaker 2: it couldn't have been too far away, but they couldn't
Speaker 2: pinpoint exactly where because where they were at there was
Speaker 2: a bunch of trees wrapped around, so they couldn't pinpoint
Speaker 2: because of how things were hacking around in this little meadow.
Speaker 2: So he figured, say, bet, let's just get back to camp.
Speaker 2: He didn't bring his firearm with them on the excursions,
Speaker 2: as Beyonce was against him. He gets back to camp,
Speaker 2: he gets his firearm out and leans it against the
Speaker 2: little makeshift table they had there, and they started making breakfast.
Speaker 2: The morning run. Their morning. They going about their way.
Speaker 2: It'd been about he said, three hours passed. Now it's
Speaker 2: plenty daylight. It's not dark and menacing or anything, but
Speaker 2: all the sound goes away. He said. He was struggling
Speaker 2: to even hear the cracklo of the little fire they
Speaker 2: had going to boil up to mix some cowboy coffee.
Speaker 2: Having dealt with that pressure that kills all sound, it's different.
Speaker 2: Some people have experienced it, some haven't. Those who haven't,
Speaker 2: you recognize it immediately, but you don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: You just know it's provoking some kind of fear. He
Speaker 2: said when that happened. He was in the middle of
Speaker 2: packing up or cleaning up some of the utensils that
Speaker 2: they had made their breakfast with just a little bit ago.
Speaker 2: So he assumed, what's probably a bear smell breakfast is
Speaker 2: coming in. They had prepackaged all their food just to
Speaker 2: basically warm it up. But it's still put the scent
Speaker 2: of the food in here. It's not like he was
Speaker 2: out there frying, bake it over an open flame or
Speaker 2: anything like that. He gets cleaning stuff up and keeping
Speaker 2: an eye on, telling her, hey, just listen for any
Speaker 2: strange movements in the woods. We want to be bear aware.
Speaker 2: So she puts on these little bells on her ankles
Speaker 2: that jingle when they walk. I call them dinner bells
Speaker 2: for bears, but anyway, people use them and they swear
Speaker 2: by them. The bear. Here's the bell it takes off.
Speaker 2: She gets those on. There's still a route camping that's
Speaker 2: too ominous at this point. He doesn't even have bigfoot Harryman, Saswa,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, on his mind. It never,
Speaker 2: not once in the twenty something years he's been going
Speaker 2: to this place, has it ever been an issue that
Speaker 2: happens for a lot of people. They go year after year,
Speaker 2: never had an experience. You could tell them your experience
Speaker 2: and they'd be like, I've been out there twenty something years.
Speaker 2: Ain't not never happen? You're full of it. That type
Speaker 2: of thing, which is me to each his own. If
Speaker 2: some people, if they haven't seen it, they won't accept it.
Speaker 2: I respect that. I get that. As they're sitting there
Speaker 2: and he's trying to explain to her, it's very important
Speaker 2: that you beyond your wits when it comes to the
Speaker 2: woods because if there's a bar circling when we don't
Speaker 2: see it, it may come after you. It may view
Speaker 2: you as the weaker of the tube since you're smaller,
Speaker 2: and pounce on you. So be aware of that. And
Speaker 2: his fiance wasn't having none of that shit. She was like,
Speaker 2: screw that on no one's meal. Let's go. He was like, look, okay,
Speaker 2: I don't want to call it a trip though, Let's
Speaker 2: just move somewhere else. She goes, okay, we'll move somewhere else. Okay,
Speaker 2: So they pack everything up, we're feelings the side or whatever.
Speaker 2: They decide, we'll just go down. We'll go down to
Speaker 2: Swede Lakes, which is further down the din Naley Highway
Speaker 2: going forwards packs and not too far from the Volcano
Speaker 2: River incident. Coincidentally, same area. You got to go the
Speaker 2: same direction to get there. There's multiple trails, but the
Speaker 2: main ones from that gravel parking lot where the guy
Speaker 2: ran out. So they make it to Sweet Lakes a
Speaker 2: little later on. It was going on dusk, so they
Speaker 2: had enough time. They set up and camped out in
Speaker 2: that parking lot. The first night uneventful, talking to people
Speaker 2: coming and going, photographers whatnot, having a great time. She lose,
Speaker 2: she calmed back down, was telling everyone, Oh, there was
Speaker 2: a barrier further up towards cansl Wheeds, get out down here.
Speaker 2: I suffice both of them because they really didn't have
Speaker 2: anything to go on outside of that. Now, it's quite
Speaker 2: a distance that they went from where they were to
Speaker 2: Swede Lakes, so no visual, no confirmation on whatever was
Speaker 2: going on in his original spot, the same spot he
Speaker 2: had been going to for twenty something years, so bear aware.
Speaker 2: They continue out the next morning, they make it to
Speaker 2: Sweet Lakes. Once you get back there, it's hard to
Speaker 2: explain that she'd been there. There's a part of the
Speaker 2: trail that kind of has this weird kind of zigzag
Speaker 2: to it, and over the years people have made little
Speaker 2: care site areas, so they picked one of those, about
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty yards from the main part of
Speaker 2: the lake. They get set up. It's going on into
Speaker 2: getting dark, so they got a good fire going and
Speaker 2: everything's going great. She's calmed down from the bare things.
Speaker 2: She no longer wants to run away from the woods.
Speaker 2: It's his fiance. He doesn't want her to not like
Speaker 2: the woods because then he knows he has to make
Speaker 2: it out every year, and that's just going to create
Speaker 2: some kind of tension. So he's very happy she's back
Speaker 2: in it. When they get their fire going and everything's
Speaker 2: calmed down, they're enjoying some adult beverages and just relaxing
Speaker 2: and enjoying. Man, it's beautiful, from what he was saying,
Speaker 2: was beautiful app and they were just enjoying the evening,
Speaker 2: and on the far side of the lake they hear
Speaker 2: that same groaning, moaning type of sound, same tight, not
Speaker 2: exactly the same, he said. It was a little higher pitched,
Speaker 2: but it was similar in rhythmic. However, the sound went
Speaker 2: so that immediately peaked both interest because they just left
Speaker 2: the campsite that they were at because of this noise
Speaker 2: and the weird feeling. So they're trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what's going on with these weird noises. We're way over
Speaker 2: there and now we're hearing something somewhere over here. This
Speaker 2: was late August twenty seventeen is when this occurred. As
Speaker 2: they're discussing with each other, Hey, you know what, do
Speaker 2: you think this could possibly be one of the other campers.
Speaker 2: I was a little further down, he said, was walking
Speaker 2: by going to get something because the people had parked
Speaker 2: their four wheelers up. He was going to resupply with something,
Speaker 2: and he asked, hey, did you notice that sound across
Speaker 2: the lake? And he goes, yeah, it's been going on
Speaker 2: for a couple of days now. We went looking forward
Speaker 2: earlier today. We couldn't pinpoint where the noise was coming from,
Speaker 2: but every time we would leave the area, we would
Speaker 2: hear it again. Thought and of itd okay. So these
Speaker 2: guys have been here unmolested for a couple of days
Speaker 2: with this going on, so we're good, we're safe. They
Speaker 2: continue around the campfire, they're doing their thing. They're getting
Speaker 2: the feeling good behind their campsite. He said, less than
Speaker 2: seventy feet, he would guess to Ma, they heard a
Speaker 2: big crack that immediately cut their attention. It was such
Speaker 2: a loud crack that the campers further down, same guy
Speaker 2: that they had seen came back that direction a little
Speaker 2: while later, asking hey, what was that noise? We heard
Speaker 2: that crack way over there, and they're like, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was about seventy feet back there, And the guy was like, Hey,
Speaker 2: why don't we go check it out to make sure
Speaker 2: that it's not a rogue bear, young male, little four
Speaker 2: year old just out causing trouble. We could be prepared
Speaker 2: running off now before we're in bad early does it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm game. So he gets his rifle and his fiance
Speaker 2: wants none of this shit. She's dead set against him
Speaker 2: basically trying to run off a potential issue. She's dead
Speaker 2: set against it. He's not feeling that at all. He
Speaker 2: feels there's gonna be some problems because she's not outdoorsy.
Speaker 2: She's very susceptible to freak out. She doesn't know ask it,
Speaker 2: she's not accustomed to this stuff. So him and this
Speaker 2: guy Eric and this guy they go and they check
Speaker 2: out the area and it's on in the dark. So
Speaker 2: they're using their flashlights and the one guy had a
Speaker 2: spotlight and they're going through and they're looking and there's
Speaker 2: nothing to miss. And then they fired a broken birch
Speaker 2: sapling head. It was about three inch in diameterans a
Speaker 2: birch is a hardwood, so this tree was alive and
Speaker 2: about six feet up. It was broke, like someone broke
Speaker 2: it down and it was laid out. So they're sitting
Speaker 2: there inspecting it. Wow, that bear must have just stood
Speaker 2: up on it, pushed or something that knocked it over.
Speaker 2: They heard that groaning noise again, that's not bear light,
Speaker 2: but it's between them and Eric's tent. Now it was
Speaker 2: real low, real subtle, but they both heard it. Now
Speaker 2: they both turn around and they don't want to have
Speaker 2: to fire in that direction, so they start flanking to
Speaker 2: their left so if they do have to shoot at
Speaker 2: a bear, they wouldn't have his tent his campsite as
Speaker 2: a crossfire in the backdrop that type of thing, which
Speaker 2: a very smart to do. So they're cutting around to
Speaker 2: the left. That noise is mirroring them moving off to
Speaker 2: their right, so that they're making this little bit of
Speaker 2: a kind of a circle thing and they're like bears
Speaker 2: don't typically do that. They're kind of looking at each other.
Speaker 2: Let's just get out into the open because they're in
Speaker 2: some pretty thick rush and stuff. They wanted to get
Speaker 2: out in the open and give themselves room to see
Speaker 2: do whatever they got to do. So as they get
Speaker 2: back to the campsite. His fiancees in the tent, she
Speaker 2: won't come out. She heard everything going on. She heard
Speaker 2: them talking in the woods because it was echoing right
Speaker 2: back out to her, and she said, we're not staying here.
Speaker 2: He said, look, it's on in the dark. We're several
Speaker 2: miles from the parking lot. To get out of here
Speaker 2: hanging there. Will get out first light. We'll just leave.
Speaker 2: We'll go back to my place in Anchorage. She said, okay,
Speaker 2: but first light. As soon as there's a sliver of light,
Speaker 2: we're out of here. She is full blown not having it.
Speaker 2: Ain't never gonna come back, she stated as much. And
Speaker 2: Eric is feeling sick inside because he knows he needs
Speaker 2: this outlet he molds to be able to go out
Speaker 2: in the woods. He's been doing it for twenty something years.
Speaker 2: It's in his blood. At this point. I don't mean
Speaker 2: to make light of it. I've lost relationships over similar
Speaker 2: stuff being in the woods, and people just can't hang
Speaker 2: with it. Not everyone's built for the outdoors, even if
Speaker 2: they really like the idea of it, in practice it
Speaker 2: sometimes doesn't work. So this cerenum this morning is still
Speaker 2: going wrong. While she's complaining about wanting to get the
Speaker 2: hell out of there, and so Eric and this guy,
Speaker 2: the guys, hey, there's about five six of us over here.
Speaker 2: Why don't you get your stuff and just come on
Speaker 2: over and we'll stay as a group. His girlfriend his
Speaker 2: fiance immediately times in I'm not going to hang out
Speaker 2: with a bunch of strangers over some silly noise in
Speaker 2: the woods. Me I would have been like, shut up,
Speaker 2: pack up, let's go with the group, but he wanted
Speaker 2: to salvage what was left of this little trip of
Speaker 2: theirs because they are engaged and he wants to keep
Speaker 2: it that way. At this point, the guy who looks
Speaker 2: at Eric, Okay, I'm going to go get a couple
Speaker 2: of my buddies. We'll come back. We'll take another look
Speaker 2: around as a larger group, and maybe whatever it is
Speaker 2: we'll get shoot away just by mere presence of a
Speaker 2: bunch of people and Eric's cool. Yeah, definitely do that.
Speaker 2: And so while Eric is fumbling around in his equipment
Speaker 2: trying to find his handgun that he had brought along
Speaker 2: the top hole strip and have a second firearm, his
Speaker 2: financee starts freaking out about guns, laying into him, you
Speaker 2: shouldn't even have a gun, and he's trying to tell her, hey, look,
Speaker 2: this is a perfect example of why we need a gun.
Speaker 2: We got strange noises in the woods. We don't know
Speaker 2: if it's a rogue bear out to come get us.
Speaker 2: We don't know none of this stuff, So just calm down.
Speaker 2: He's getting his buddies. We're going to go and check
Speaker 2: this out. Just as he hears the other group coming
Speaker 2: from the other campsite. They're talking amongst each other and
Speaker 2: some kind of laughing guys maaraderie going on, and he
Speaker 2: just coming up the trail back to their site from
Speaker 2: the same direction of that break on the birch tree,
Speaker 2: they hear and god awful sound like a woman being murdered.
Speaker 2: Scream and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. Well,
Speaker 2: right back after these messages and right after that scream
Speaker 2: that just pierced their ears and shook their bodies crash
Speaker 2: all around. He said it sounded like someone had some
Speaker 2: kind of big something and was just swinging it in
Speaker 2: a circle, and it was like almost like a rhythmic
Speaker 2: kind of sound. And he said it was nothing he
Speaker 2: had ever heard before. He never heard that kind of scream,
Speaker 2: and he definitely never heard whatever commotion was going on.
Speaker 2: And so at this point, the guys that were coming
Speaker 2: they come trotting up and they're like, what the hell
Speaker 2: is going on over here? Where'd that scream come from?
Speaker 2: And he was like, right back over where we saw
Speaker 2: that break. One of the females that was with the
Speaker 2: other group came with that party and coached his fiancee
Speaker 2: added the tent back over to the other campsite. She said, hey, honey,
Speaker 2: come on, you're not staying here. If these guys are
Speaker 2: firing off guns. You just need to be over here
Speaker 2: with the other group, larger number at least until it's settled.
Speaker 2: She agreed, So they go and she takes her away
Speaker 2: to the other campsite as they're coming up with a
Speaker 2: game plan. So they've been into the woods already once
Speaker 2: and they seemed to layout and how the rush and
Speaker 2: stuff is so Eric, and this guy is explaining to
Speaker 2: the He said there was three other guys that ended
Speaker 2: up coming, or four other guys something like that. It
Speaker 2: was getting on in the dark, and he just saw
Speaker 2: a bunch of heads. So he was guestimating because after
Speaker 2: the scream, they were discombobulated, and which I totally understand anyway,
Speaker 2: So they decided they're going to two groups only facing
Speaker 2: one direction. They didn't want to turn muzzles towards each
Speaker 2: other if they had to fire. Aaron was like, if
Speaker 2: we're in separate groups, that's not really a good how
Speaker 2: about we're in a line like search and rescue and
Speaker 2: just pushed through going that direct. Hey, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: So they all agree. They're all armed and most of
Speaker 2: them have flashlights and whatnot, headlamps. They start pushing in
Speaker 2: and once they get back up to where that broken
Speaker 2: birch was, that birch is now broken all the way
Speaker 2: off and moved off to the other side, and they
Speaker 2: did nothing but look at it. When they were there
Speaker 2: just a few minutes ago, probably half hour forty minutes
Speaker 2: had passed since they cleared the woods. The guy went
Speaker 2: to get his friends, and all that stuff transpired so
Speaker 2: it's well on in the dark at this point, especially
Speaker 2: in August, there was plenty dark. So they're beaming around.
Speaker 2: They're trying to figure out what the hell, and they
Speaker 2: noticed just past that birch tree was a line of
Speaker 2: smaller alders and some other brush that were just broken
Speaker 2: off at about seven feet up, just broken off. It
Speaker 2: appeared that broken piece of birch swung around like you
Speaker 2: would a rope over your head, like you go on
Speaker 2: the lasso. It's how Eric said it looked. And he said,
Speaker 2: that's twenty twenty hindsight. At the time. They didn't put
Speaker 2: two and two together, but he's assuming that it was
Speaker 2: used to spin around and knock the other ones down.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't see the carnage myself. So they're checking it out.
Speaker 2: Everyone's looking everywhere. Okay, we haven't heard any movement. We
Speaker 2: hadn't heard an old thing. That it's a definitive, it's
Speaker 2: a bear. Let's get it. Let's move on and let's
Speaker 2: push it out. Any of that that it was actually
Speaker 2: dead quiet. Now when they decided, okay, there's no movement,
Speaker 2: there's no sound, we're not seeing anything. Let's retreat back
Speaker 2: and just forget about call it a night. Just as
Speaker 2: they're getting back to Eric's campsite, another scream, this time
Speaker 2: between them and the other people's campsite. Now that they're
Speaker 2: really pete because they got their women over there. I
Speaker 2: think there was a child with the other group. They
Speaker 2: were screwed that we're on this. So they run down
Speaker 2: the trail. They get to the area of the scream
Speaker 2: and they're asking the other campers that are right over
Speaker 2: there at this point, hey, what direction was that scream
Speaker 2: coming from? They said it sounded like it was past
Speaker 2: where you guys were, And they said, no, this scream
Speaker 2: came between us, And they're like, we didn't hear it
Speaker 2: that close. So they're just perplexed. What the hell do
Speaker 2: we do with that? So they went through looking. They
Speaker 2: looked as best they could, not as sign nothing broke
Speaker 2: in and no tracks, none of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So things that calm down for a bit. Now they decide, okay,
Speaker 2: it's calm enough, nerves calm down. They started doing a
Speaker 2: little sipping. They felt better about the whole thing. Erica
Speaker 2: and his fiance went back to their tent. Now they
Speaker 2: get there and his fiancee is wiped out they get
Speaker 2: in their shees immediately in the sleeping bag, snoring, complaining
Speaker 2: about the bugs. He's tending the fire, he's getting it
Speaker 2: going again because he wanted to keep some kind of
Speaker 2: a fire go all night just for whatever that sound was.
Speaker 2: No one had any idea what that scream was. No one,
Speaker 2: so he put his rifle away in its case because
Speaker 2: she was complaining about stepping on and if she had
Speaker 2: to get up to tacle, so he kept his handgun nearby.
Speaker 2: Now as he was just starting the doze off, he
Speaker 2: was sitting at the front of the tent with his
Speaker 2: legs outside of the tent, looking at the campfire and
Speaker 2: just leaning back, just staring at and listening to the
Speaker 2: crackling fire. Because it's just a small, little two man
Speaker 2: hay frame tent that they had. So he's at the
Speaker 2: front of it, staring at the fire. His fiancees laid out.
Speaker 2: He notices the nylon sound of the tent, like something
Speaker 2: rubbing on it, so he clicks on his head lamp
Speaker 2: and he turns and he looks back and on the
Speaker 2: inside of the tent he sees a huge hand impression
Speaker 2: of a hand sliding up and down the tent on
Speaker 2: the inside and it touched his fiance's head and he
Speaker 2: could see it going like this, and then it moved
Speaker 2: back up and then come back around and then touch
Speaker 2: on his fiance's head like that again. He said he
Speaker 2: was hypnotized at this. It was so surreal to see
Speaker 2: this impression of a huge hand. He said, it was
Speaker 2: huge moving around. He saw the fingers moving individually, so
Speaker 2: it wasn't just a prop pushed up against her or whatever.
Speaker 2: So as it slid up, he didn't know what to do.
Speaker 2: He just put a bunch of shots through the back
Speaker 2: of the tent into this impression of the hand. Right
Speaker 2: as soon as that happens, he fired in quick succession,
Speaker 2: and then stopped because his fiance was getting up. She
Speaker 2: thought he was trying to shoot her. Understandably, She's laying
Speaker 2: there and all a sudden, bang bang, he's shooting over
Speaker 2: her at this hand impression.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: She freaked out hard. And I totally get it. Geez,
Speaker 2: being woken up to gunshots from your fiance going over you.
Speaker 2: It's not a good time. I'm not trying to make
Speaker 2: light of it. I'm really not. Shots are fired loud,
Speaker 2: commotionally at the back of the tent, and a bunch
Speaker 2: of crash, something running away. Now his ears were ringing
Speaker 2: from the gunshots. He's telling her calm down. Something was
Speaker 2: trying to grab you through the tent, and she's looking
Speaker 2: and she sees the bullet holes and there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of blood there right, So immediately she calms down
Speaker 2: and was like a bear was trying to get me
Speaker 2: while I slept, And he goes, it wasn't a bear.
Speaker 2: It was a big, five fingered hand impression on the tent,
Speaker 2: pushing around and touching you on the head. She goes,
Speaker 2: that's what that was. She felt it touching her head,
Speaker 2: but she didn't know what was doing it. She just
Speaker 2: thought she didn't know. She was asleep out of it
Speaker 2: from drinking a little bit, but she remembered feeling some
Speaker 2: kind of touch on her head. She didn't realize that
Speaker 2: was it. So she's in the fog of trying to
Speaker 2: come to grips with what just happened. He's freaking the
Speaker 2: hell out because the sheer size of the hand. He
Speaker 2: never expected to see anything like that ever in his life.
Speaker 2: He has not been back out since this incident. So
Speaker 2: he scrambled get his rifle out. Now by this point,
Speaker 2: the other campers. Three of the guys are running over
Speaker 2: with their firearms, coming to see what the hell is
Speaker 2: going on, because they heard the gunshots and then they
Speaker 2: heard the commultion going through the trees. It was so
Speaker 2: loud it reverberated back to them, so they come over
Speaker 2: there all armed. He commences it, telling them what happened there.
Speaker 2: I'll look at him. I'm like, dude, you had a
Speaker 2: little too much, and he goes, look on the inside
Speaker 2: of my tent. They went around to the back and
Speaker 2: sure enough, they're splattering of blood. At one point on
Speaker 2: one side of the tent, there was like a greasy
Speaker 2: outline of a hand. He said it was hard to
Speaker 2: make out, but he knew what it was that made
Speaker 2: the marks. And they were saying, oh, you could have
Speaker 2: rubbed to your tent against something to make that that
Speaker 2: they were dismissive of it is what it was. And
Speaker 2: he was like, look, I'm not shooting at imagination. Imagination
Speaker 2: doesn't bleed, and it bled. That's flattering from the outside,
Speaker 2: and the shots came from the inside. Come on, you know,
Speaker 2: don't dismiss me like that. Don't mock me. He was
Speaker 2: very upset by this point. He's got his rifle out.
Speaker 2: His fiance is over it, over it. She wants nothing
Speaker 2: else to do with being there, being with him, being
Speaker 2: near him. She still has alcohol in her system, so
Speaker 2: she's not quite picking up what's happening. She's going off
Speaker 2: of adrenaline, over emotional a little bit and shots ringing
Speaker 2: over her head, which, hey, understandable stuff. This poor guy
Speaker 2: he's got the other camper's mocking him. His fiance wants
Speaker 2: to leave him. He's sitting there dealing with what just happened.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of that goes on when it comes
Speaker 2: to these kind of sightings, a whole lot of that
Speaker 2: evil people that were together when it happened. Warren will
Speaker 2: want to tell people and they're there'll be like that
Speaker 2: never happened. Why, I don't know. The rest of the night,
Speaker 2: according to Eric, was uneventful. Is fiance never went back
Speaker 2: to sleep, she had everything packed again. He had to
Speaker 2: make her understand, we can't go until we got a
Speaker 2: lost liver or light. We don't have enough battery power
Speaker 2: for the headlamps to make a hike out the multiple
Speaker 2: miles it is back to the parking lot. So they
Speaker 2: had to sit there by the fire, and he had
Speaker 2: to listen to her explain on detail why she was
Speaker 2: not going to stay in Alaska when they get married,
Speaker 2: he has to move away from Alaska. Just a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff that he knew it wasn't going to
Speaker 2: help the relationship one iota, and so he never made
Speaker 2: it back out again. He's currently down on I believe
Speaker 2: he said Vermont again. He's going to be back up
Speaker 2: sometime a little later on this ball, and he agreed
Speaker 2: to tell the whole thing off camera. Hopefully he makes it.
Speaker 2: The poor guy, he was really busted up about his fiancee.
Speaker 2: He loved her. This situation just it kind of accentuated
Speaker 2: the weakness in their relationship because she was an outdoorsy
Speaker 2: and he was. He'd been an outdoors guy for decades
Speaker 2: and she was not with that. So I guess it's
Speaker 2: for the best that they wouldn't have gotten along anyway.
Speaker 2: But the poor guy wants his fiancee from that and
Speaker 2: then to be mocked by people that heard the same
Speaker 2: screams that he did, saw the blood on the outside
Speaker 2: of the tenth. I don't know what causes people to
Speaker 2: just immediately deny something that was obvious. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: you saw something and there's someone coming up saying, hey,
Speaker 2: you're a liar. You're either gonna smack him in the
Speaker 2: mouth or you're just gonna keep your mouth shut and
Speaker 2: never speak of it. That's just not cool. It can
Speaker 2: cause issues within yourself to hold that in. Like after
Speaker 2: my experiences for a couple of years, I was self
Speaker 2: medicating with drinking. It can lead to a whole lot
Speaker 2: of unnecessary image in your life by not sharing it.
Speaker 2: If you live in Alaska, been to Alaska and had
Speaker 2: some kind of strange encounter out in the woods, even
Speaker 2: if it's not visual, maybe it's weird sounds, whatever. I
Speaker 2: want to share an experience with you that happened to
Speaker 2: a friend of mine. We'll call him D. I talked
Speaker 2: to him yesterday. He's from Ruby, Alaska, up on the
Speaker 2: Yukon River interior of Alaska. He originally shared this with
Speaker 2: me in twenty eighteen when I was up there building
Speaker 2: some cabins for a remote mining operation. He was an
Speaker 2: equipment operator there. What happened with him him and two
Speaker 2: of his aunts in the small villages. Sometimes your ants
Speaker 2: are a little younger than you. It's just how it
Speaker 2: works out. So he got two of his aunts and
Speaker 2: his little sister. He had agreed for a week and
Speaker 2: a half something like that to take them out to
Speaker 2: this bury patch and just to get him out there.
Speaker 2: It's way out the road. It's actually about two miles
Speaker 2: outside of Long Alaska. Long Alaska is an abandoned mining town.
Speaker 2: Used to have a couple thousand people. There still a
Speaker 2: lot of old rustic equipment and some of the cabins
Speaker 2: are really cool. Been there explored. It Just an abandoned
Speaker 2: mining town is basically what it is. But they're a
Speaker 2: couple miles past that now to get to Long from Ruby,
Speaker 2: it's just a cat road. It was cut in by
Speaker 2: miners and claims and stuff like that, so it's a
Speaker 2: glorified bike trail. Part of that road gets washed out
Speaker 2: all the time because the beaver will plug up the coverts.
Speaker 2: And it's way out in the middle of BFA. So
Speaker 2: they get out there and it's roughly midday, and where
Speaker 2: they're going is past an old mining site that has
Speaker 2: a lot of big pools of ponds. Basically there are
Speaker 2: old placer mines with overburden and it's pot marked with
Speaker 2: all these little drill sites. So two foot diameter drool holes.
Speaker 2: They could be fairly deep. So you got a Swiss
Speaker 2: cheese landscape with multiple paths going through it to get
Speaker 2: back to the tundra where their very pick and patch
Speaker 2: was just past this mining clean So him as a
Speaker 2: little sister and his two ants, they were going along.
Speaker 2: He said that there was nothing ominous in the air. Initially,
Speaker 2: once they got to the berry picking side itself, he
Speaker 2: felt uneasy. But he was armed with a rifle and
Speaker 2: a handgun, and one of his aunts had a handgun.
Speaker 2: All the guns were a large caliber. So they're picking
Speaker 2: away and his little sister kept saying, there's that man
Speaker 2: over there, he's watching us. Dee would look over and
Speaker 2: he's not seeing what his little sisters seeing. He goes
Speaker 2: pointed out exactly. She said, I can't. Every time he
Speaker 2: turned the look, he ducks down and he's over there,
Speaker 2: and word she's pointing. He said, was approximately fifty yards away,
Speaker 2: just where the little tunderburm stops, and then there's some
Speaker 2: spruce willows and then little sick of spruce, black spruce,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call him. They look like mutated
Speaker 2: spruce trees that are stunted in growth. Muskeke scrub pine.
Speaker 2: So he is looking over and he doesn't notice anything.
Speaker 2: There was nothing that stood out, so he said, just
Speaker 2: keep your eye out and if you see him moving,
Speaker 2: get my attention because their goal is to get berries,
Speaker 2: not sit around and stay tuned for more sasquatch out
Speaker 2: to see. We'll be right back after these messages. So
Speaker 2: they're picking away. One of his aunts says, hey, there
Speaker 2: is a guy over there. Who is that now where
Speaker 2: they're from, and Ruby is a small town. Everyone knows everyone.
Speaker 2: They got a post office there and a little general
Speaker 2: store type of deal. It's a dead town. People live
Speaker 2: there yet, but it's not an anchorage George, you know,
Speaker 2: or share banks or anything like that. Real small population.
Speaker 2: So they knew everyone, and they knew all the miners
Speaker 2: because they had to go through Ruby to get out
Speaker 2: to their claims. So it's very symbiotic with all the
Speaker 2: people that come and go from there. They all know
Speaker 2: each other. So they look. He sees movement, but he
Speaker 2: couldn't make anything out. This thing, he said, blended in
Speaker 2: real well as it moved, the creep factor goes up.
Speaker 2: His other aunt was just down the little knoll from them,
Speaker 2: just this little rise and she yells, hey, there's a
Speaker 2: guy over there, and he's moving. He's over here. So
Speaker 2: they go over this little knoll and look down in
Speaker 2: that direction, and sure enough, this thing runs off into
Speaker 2: the trees out of view. So they're immediately like winning
Speaker 2: to get the hell out of here because it was
Speaker 2: going in the direction of their back trail. To get
Speaker 2: back to their truck, now they had to go about
Speaker 2: three hundred yards through this old mining area pot marked
Speaker 2: with all these potholes, and this huge pond from an
Speaker 2: old excavation site. They just left it for reclaim, and
Speaker 2: now it's a big gas pod. They gather up their
Speaker 2: stuff and he slings his rifle over his shoulder, and
Speaker 2: he wasn't horribly worried about it, but he did have
Speaker 2: a little bit of a bad feeling. They weren't too sure,
Speaker 2: So they go down the trail and they get to
Speaker 2: where the overburdened line is, which is just a big
Speaker 2: hump of old cat push stuff. As they get over
Speaker 2: the burm, his little sister is holding hands with the
Speaker 2: two anties and they're right in front of him. The
Speaker 2: hanty that had the handgun has out her forty four
Speaker 2: mag they're going along. He wasn't really over worried at
Speaker 2: this point. Once they got to the bottom of this berm,
Speaker 2: they all stopped there and stood and looked around because
Speaker 2: they heard something. They couldn't pinpoint where it was. Off
Speaker 2: to their right, one of those little scrub brush pottings
Speaker 2: of those black spruce. All of a sudden it snatched, crackin.
Speaker 2: He said. It was loud. It almost sounded like a
Speaker 2: gunshot loud how it snapped. So immediately his tensions over there.
Speaker 2: He's got his handgun out. They don't see nothing back
Speaker 2: in the trees and the willows and stuff and the alders,
Speaker 2: and they see another one shaking, so he puts two
Speaker 2: shots in the air over that direction, not in it,
Speaker 2: but up in the air over it. This scene starts
Speaker 2: screaming and starts running in a circle around them. It's
Speaker 2: roughly about one hundred feet from them, he said. And
Speaker 2: it's running in a circle. And where they are there's
Speaker 2: two and a half three foot high grass and then
Speaker 2: the trails that are weaved in between the Swiss cheese
Speaker 2: on a terrain. So they're freaked out. The little girl screaming,
Speaker 2: He gets his little sister to cal him down. The
Speaker 2: ants scared as hell. It's nice creepy guys. Can you
Speaker 2: imagine something starts screaming and then running real fast. Anyway,
Speaker 2: so this thing does a circle around. It's zig zagging
Speaker 2: back and forth as it's doing it and breaking stuff
Speaker 2: and making all this thrashing. So he's still got his
Speaker 2: handgun out, and as it comes around, it stops on
Speaker 2: their back trail, just on the other side of the
Speaker 2: burm that they just come over, so they could see
Speaker 2: from like about the stern them up, and this thing
Speaker 2: was just leaning over, looking sizing up the situation. Then
Speaker 2: ducks down and continues running and they lost sight of it,
Speaker 2: so they're free the f out. They immediately start making
Speaker 2: their move to get back to the truck. They lost
Speaker 2: sight of it. They can't hear nothing. Everyone's just they
Speaker 2: gotta go. So as they're cutting through these trails, little
Speaker 2: sisters with the two anties and the d fell back
Speaker 2: a little bit to give room. He holstered his pistol
Speaker 2: and he's got his rifle unslung, and he had a
Speaker 2: three thirty eight wind bag, very powerful rifle. He can
Speaker 2: kill anything with that thing. He's got his three thirty
Speaker 2: eight and he chambers around and he's checking their six,
Speaker 2: just trying to make sure everything's okay. As he's walking along,
Speaker 2: he noticed there's the grass was moving like in a
Speaker 2: weird way, and it wasn't windy, and instinctively he raised
Speaker 2: his rifle in that direction and shot in front of
Speaker 2: where he saw the movement. Scream again, runs back off,
Speaker 2: stood up or ran back off from into the trees
Speaker 2: to the right. So this thing is trying to it's
Speaker 2: trying to sneak up on him in the grass. They
Speaker 2: continue through, and as they're going, like I said, these
Speaker 2: trails kind of weave, and so the two ants and
Speaker 2: the sister aren't split up there together, but they're each
Speaker 2: taking their own little individual path around these little potholes.
Speaker 2: And as they're going along, they all three stop. Where
Speaker 2: they happened to stop. There was kind of like a
Speaker 2: trench line of some kind that a back hoe had
Speaker 2: cut in. It was partially filled with water, and there
Speaker 2: was grass burms that grew alongside it. Like I said,
Speaker 2: it's reclaiming, so they're letting nature take it back. As
Speaker 2: they're standing there, they had noticed movement in front of
Speaker 2: them up to the right, and they're still a good
Speaker 2: one hundred and some yards from the truck. At this point,
Speaker 2: the thing screams again. When it screams, this time though
Speaker 2: behind them on the other side of the overburden where
Speaker 2: they come from, which is a distance away. Now they
Speaker 2: hear a return scream, sounding much larger than the screen
Speaker 2: that they knew where that one was coming from. They
Speaker 2: saw it, they saw its size or whatever, so the
Speaker 2: second scream sounded larger. He's in full panic mode. He
Speaker 2: only had three rounds in the rifle. He had shot
Speaker 2: a couple times with the revolver. He's got less than
Speaker 2: a handful of rounds. So as there stop, he gets
Speaker 2: over to them and he says, we need to keep moving.
Speaker 2: I know it screamed over here, but this is our
Speaker 2: pass out. We don't want to get split up trying
Speaker 2: to run through these trees. We saw how fast it is.
Speaker 2: So as they're standing there talking, he notices the grass
Speaker 2: moving out of the corner of his eye again. This
Speaker 2: thing came running past them and reached out to try
Speaker 2: to swipe at his little sister, like it was trying
Speaker 2: to get to his little sister, and he butt stroked
Speaker 2: the thing's arm with the rifle. Heels hold because it
Speaker 2: all happened real fast. Moving out of the corner of
Speaker 2: his eye. He's butt stroking the arm away from grabbing
Speaker 2: his little sister. The thing had knocked her berry bucket
Speaker 2: out of her hand. She's freaked, understandably, she was like
Speaker 2: seven at the time, something like that cheese. Can you
Speaker 2: imagine some of your earliest memories being one of these
Speaker 2: things trying to get you anyway, drops a berry bucket,
Speaker 2: It runs off and as it comes back around to
Speaker 2: their left, he gets a beat on it, what's rifle
Speaker 2: and takes a shot. Boom, doesn't hit it. It screams,
Speaker 2: and Keith continues running and he turns back to look
Speaker 2: back towards the berm, and there's nothing there but back
Speaker 2: where the original break on that spruce was. There's something
Speaker 2: over there shaking stuff. So he knows there's two. He's
Speaker 2: only had a visual on the one now his aunt.
Speaker 2: The other one that had the handgun. She was on
Speaker 2: one knee following this thing. She was treating it like
Speaker 2: a bear charge. They say, don't stand there and shoot
Speaker 2: at a charging bear. You'll shoot over its back. You
Speaker 2: kneel down, just standard hunter stuff. So she's got a
Speaker 2: beat on it and it's running now. She doesn't shoot,
Speaker 2: she maintains her calm or whatever. As he's scanning the
Speaker 2: back area as well. A little girl screams again, it's
Speaker 2: right there. It's right there, and they look off to
Speaker 2: the right. That was standing right there in the trail.
Speaker 2: Like I said, to all these little trails, exagg through
Speaker 2: there to get back. So it wasn't the main trail,
Speaker 2: but it was one of the little side trails. And
Speaker 2: like I said, it's all interwoven. He turns takes a
Speaker 2: shot at it, so I think he said he had
Speaker 2: one more round after that. He said he shot fast.
Speaker 2: He didn't think he hit it. Panic stricken, every single
Speaker 2: one of them. My aunt took that opportunity because it
Speaker 2: didn't run after that shot, and she shot at it
Speaker 2: twice and then it ran, so she struck it. They
Speaker 2: heard the bullets hit it. It screamed, it ran off,
Speaker 2: so they're thinking, okay, we'll get moving. They continue moving.
Speaker 2: They're going as quickly as they can. They're running law
Speaker 2: on Ammo. His aunt only had six rounds in the revolver.
Speaker 2: He had shot a few out of the revolver, and
Speaker 2: I think he had one round left and the right.
Speaker 2: There's two of these things that are panic stricken they
Speaker 2: want to go totally understandable, just trying to imagine I've
Speaker 2: been there with these things trying to come at you,
Speaker 2: but there was never a child involved where I was
Speaker 2: responsible for a child in some kind of situation like that. Anyway,
Speaker 2: they move on. They get down to the truck. Now
Speaker 2: there's this little cutbank that drops down and then there's
Speaker 2: a trench, and then the road is because, like I said,
Speaker 2: the mine owners they all have their heavy equipment and
Speaker 2: they would grade it every once in a while or
Speaker 2: whatever to maintain that road so they can just logistically
Speaker 2: get in and out to their claim. Now at the bottom,
Speaker 2: in this little drain area on the side of the road,
Speaker 2: there's a pipe that sticks out for water. It's a spring.
Speaker 2: It's been there forever since the mining town was alive,
Speaker 2: and it's something they use every year to fill up
Speaker 2: their water. It being or springing of pipe sticking out
Speaker 2: the way they were parked in the truck. They got
Speaker 2: everything into the back of the truck and as they
Speaker 2: were jutting it to get out of there, it slid
Speaker 2: sideways and that pipe where it was sticking out from
Speaker 2: the bank ended up stuck in the wheel hub between
Speaker 2: the tire and the top of the wheel hub, so
Speaker 2: they're not stuck, but he has to do more maneuvers
Speaker 2: to get it from where it's at. So he's doing
Speaker 2: his thing. He's bucking that truck back and forth. Meanwhile
Speaker 2: his little sister, it's saying, it's on the road. It's
Speaker 2: on the road. She was looking out the back window.
Speaker 2: So he's trying to work the gearshifter, doing this thing
Speaker 2: to get uncompromised from this little well pipe that's sticking
Speaker 2: out of the side of the road. The ant jumps
Speaker 2: out the door and starts blazing shots at this thing
Speaker 2: and empties her revolver. She had three or four shots,
Speaker 2: like boom, boom, boom. It runs off and it's screaming.
Speaker 2: As she's done and is getting in the truck. The
Speaker 2: other one shows itself just ahead of them, off the
Speaker 2: side of the road, up on top of the cut bank,
Speaker 2: and it just looks at him and it's doing this
Speaker 2: little sway thing back and forth, just eyeballing them, and
Speaker 2: then it just takes off, so they get out of there.
Speaker 2: But for these things to be so brazen, even while
Speaker 2: being shot at attempt to snatch a child. He said
Speaker 2: that it tried to grab the smaller ant at one
Speaker 2: point too, when they were cutting through the older little
Speaker 2: trails or whatever. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine
Speaker 2: being with your loved ones in the woods and having
Speaker 2: to deal with something like this. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: it's Alaska, and I don't want to speak on the
Speaker 2: Lower forty eight. There's a lot of people that I've
Speaker 2: seen that make in progress with what they're doing. They're
Speaker 2: not friendly up here. All the mythology, all the legends
Speaker 2: everything Alaska, killer Bigfoot, Port Chatham, all that stuff. There's
Speaker 2: a reason they call them killer Bigfoot up here. I
Speaker 2: don't take it lightly. I've seen what these things do.
Speaker 2: I've seen how they move. In my opinion, at least
Speaker 2: for Alaska, I don't think there are friends.
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