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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. I went to see the Superman movie. I've

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been kind of out of the superhero movie stuff for

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a while now because it was so horrible, and you know,

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I heard that this one was different, and because I

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did like the James Gunn movies in Marvel, figured i'd

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go see the movie. And I have to say that

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I was pleasantly surprised. It wasn't a great movie. It's

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pretty mid in general in terms of movies, but it

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definitely wasn't woke. I have to say. It wasn't d I.

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It wasn't It didn't have all of the the annoying

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characteristics and the kind of preachiness that you see in

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that you've been seeing in movies now for the past

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two decades. It was a Superman movie, a basic Superman movie.

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There was, of course, one trope that was changed, and

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I'll mention that at the end of the video if

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you don't want to get spoiled. But I wanted mostly

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at the outset to look at the symbolism of Superman

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and to kind of understand the symbolism of Superman, especially

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in terms of it's a American narrative you could call it,

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or you could also call it something like again post

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World War two consensus narrative. Of course Superman comes from

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before World War Two. But there is already that story

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of the relationship, let's say, between two different types of

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thinking of the excess of the one and the excess

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of the many, was already there before World War Two.

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It's just that because the Allies are the ones who

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won during World War Two, that story, you know, you

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could say, the Superman's story, the American story, became the trope,

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or became the pattern for most storytelling, at least in

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the West. And what is that story? This is Jonathan Pegel,

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Welcome to the symbolic world. Now. The first thing to

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understand about Superman, just from a conceptual level, I really

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do believe that it is to understand it as a

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reaction or as as a comment on Nietzsche's uber Mensh.

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In some ways, Superman is very much not directly on

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the uber mans per se, but on a vision or

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an interpretation of the uber Mansh as was being developed

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in Germany with the kind of slow rise of fascistic ideas.

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The Superman character becomes in some ways a reaction to that,

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to that, whether conscious or not, it doesn't really matter.

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It's a different type of Superman. What's the difference between

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the one Superman and the other. And so Superman is,

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first of all, was created by two Jewish writers, and

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in some ways I do believe that it does reflect,

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if not their personal experience, but in some ways the

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reality of the Jewish reality in Europe and the Jewish

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reality in the world for the past few thousand years,

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which is in some ways to be a stranger in

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a strange land. You know. You can also of course

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understand the destruction of Crypton and the exiling of Superman

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into a strange land, as you know, the destruction of

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Jerusalem and the exiling of the Jews into strange land.

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And so that is the one thing that is important.

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But that narrative of the let's say, the stranger that

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is exiled and is now living in this strange land

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gets in some ways tagged on to the very story

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of the United States as a kind of federation, This

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idea of a group of diverse people of different people

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that kind of come into a place and decide to

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make a project together and decide to ally themselves in

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order to exist together. But this existence together is very

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much focused on the individual on individual rights, on difference

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as a kind of you know, a kind of power

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that you can tap into, and multiplicity as a power

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that you can tap into. Now, you know, these narratives

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aren't completely clean, of course, you understand they are all

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kinds of little counter narratives. But if you kind of

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see it basically generally as a basic story that it

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was especially becoming true in twentieth century America, especially, you know,

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moving towards the second part of the twentieth century, with

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the civil rights movement kind of becoming important and all

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of these different things happening, the World War Two consensus

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kind of setting itself down, Then the story of Superman

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crystallizes as really an important story in American's America's mythology. Now,

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which interesting about the superhero genre itself, and of course

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Superman is the first superhero, and to represent it very

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much is that there are a lot of things butting

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up against each other. One is, of course, people talk

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about the superheroes as the gods. That is a very

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big mistake. The superheroes are not the gods. They're more

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like demigods. They're more like they're more like Gargoyle's right,

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they're more like these hybrid figures that protect the world

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from danger. And that's why the superheroes look the way

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they do, right, They're not the ones that participate in

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the unitary identity of the world. They're always strange in

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some ways. They always kind of come from the outside.

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So you have Superman is an alien from another planet,

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Batman dresses up as an animal, and the Scary you have,

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you know, Martian Manhunter for Goodness Stake, you have Wonder

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Woman who's in Amazon. You know, all of these superheroes.

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are more like exterior things coming together, joining in a

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kind of league in order to defend the world against

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any So they have much more in common with protector

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figures in that sense, more much more in common with

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gargoyle type activities than they do with the idea of

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the gods themselves. So maybe they're like little titular spirits,

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but like titular spirits in the really in the apotropeic sense,

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that is, in the sense of something strong and scary

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that you put on the border in order to stop

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the stop the invaders from coming outside. And in that case,

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because that's what they are, they also have something in

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common with that which is from the outside, right, And

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so what does Superman protect us against? You see it

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in Superman too, especially he protects us against the He

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protects us against the the the Kryptonians, right, he protects

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us against things that are similar to where he comes from.

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You know. The stranger that enters in and then gets

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joined to the unity of the group is the best

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tool you have in order to fight that which comes

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from the outside. If you think about how, for example,

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the Byzantine Emperor had a Ringian guard. He had all

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these Scandinavians that he hired in his service, and they

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would come to Byzantium and then would owe everything to him,

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of course, because he's the one who brought them there,

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and so therefore became very loyal to the emperor and

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was able to defend the emperor against outer threat and

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also defend the emperor against people who would be corrupt

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in his own organization. So this is of course the

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model that we're looking at when we're looking at figures

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like Superman or like the superheroes. In some ways, it

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is the power of the convert, right, the power of

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the convert who who comes into the church from the

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outside and then becomes a Christian and then has a

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kind of zeal to defend the church against heresy and

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to defend the church against people from the outside. And

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it's the same in some ways with the immigrant who

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kind of really wants to come in and to join

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into the nation. And once that person has joined, you know,

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once they've been let in, you could say they owe

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so much to the people that let them in that

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now they become And also because they know about what's

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on the outside, they kind of come from the outside,

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they have the power of the outside, if you can say,

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a kind of strength of the border, a strength of

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the outside, so they can then turn that strength towards

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the outer power. There are all kinds of stories like that.

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There are insane stories that we use in God's Dog.

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Legends that we use in God's Dog. For example of

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Saint mer Curius who encounters the dog headed men and

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then he converts these dog headed men to his service.

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face his enemies, he can kind of turn the dog

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headed men against the enemies. And so he has these

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monstrous converts that come in and then they become the

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best tool to fight on the outside. And so this

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is what in some ways Superman represents. And so what

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makes Superman, though, such a perfect superhero? Why is he

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the perfect superhero? And it is because Superman in some

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ways is the integrated stranger. He is the fully integrated stranger.

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He is someone who has this identity from the outside

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and in this sense also a very powerful identity, one

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which is kind of a sense of almost like heavenly

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royal or scientifically advanced. That's the version you get, of

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course in the can I say this, that's the twentieth

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century version of that, which is like this highly technically

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advanced civilization that he's left and that he's kind of

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brought with him, you could say. And he has all

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of that power, the power of the outside, but he

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fully joins to the nation. That is that he submits itself.

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He submits himself, especially in the early comics of the

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American way, he fights for the country that has adopted him.

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He also passes for one of the people, for the

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people of the nation. So his Clark Kent figure is

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completely integrated into society. He doesn't stand out, he doesn't

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he doesn't you know, try to go against the grain,

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try to impose his Kryptonian ways on the humans. Rather,

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he takes on completely the identity of the people inside,

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and he only manifests, you could say, his strangeness when

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he is defending the nation or defending his new home

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from outside attackers or from corruption within. And so because

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of that, that's why in some ways he becomes the

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perfect superhero, because he is he both has the power

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of this outside monstrous kind of strange, extraterrestrial alien sense,

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but then he is also completely devoted to the people

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that he has joined, and he uses his strength to

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defend the world against the evils from the outside that

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are coming to attack it. So that's why, in some

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ways Superman is such a perfect superhero. And it's also

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i think a reason a good image of what America

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the United States can be if America is properly aligned,

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which is to understand that, you know, when more hardright

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wing people say, you know, America isn't a land of immigrants,

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it's like America is the land of immigrants, folks. America,

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you know, its whole narrative is about people gathering people

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from the outside and then joining them to the nation.

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In a way that is a melting pot and in

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a way that brings about the American identity. But that

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is what gives the strength. That's an aspect of the

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identity of America that gives its strength is that it

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is capable of bringing in a lot of difference in multiplicity,

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but then it does join it to its to itself.

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So what is the power of the immigrant, the power

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of the immigrant. If the immigrant gives himself to the

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new identity, you kind of unleash this secret power, right,

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the secret power of the convert, the secret power of

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the newcomer that has all this new energy and that

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once it's joined to the group, then radiates out. Right.

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the Normans convert to Christianity, they bring in this new

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secret power and then they go out and they you know,

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they basically become they they do the crusades because it's

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this kind of new energy that joins with this this

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world and then radiates out. And so this is one

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of the important things about Superman, and I think it

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also speaks in some ways to the if we come

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back to Siegul and Schuster, who created Superman in some ways,

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it comes back to one to one of the aspects

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that has made America so powerful is that one of

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the things that the United States did is that they

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welcome the Jewish people that were excluded from all the

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different nations. And so they said to the Jews that

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were being that were being kind of beaten on in

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Russia during the around the times of the Russian Revolution,

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and they said, you can come to America. The same

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with those in Europe that are being persecuted, and they said,

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come to America. And in some ways the deal was

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come to America. But it's the same deal as everybody else,

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like put your service in put your intelligence, put your capacities,

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put your strength in service of the nation. And that

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is one aspect of what has made the United States

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so great. So for those who have been following, we

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wait for people to read this because this is where

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the story gets interesting. This is where the threads are

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is this fairy Tale project. Thanks to everybody and go

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get your book. One of the problems that is happening

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now this is in some ways that kind of the

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end of the World War two consensus or like that.

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How it's starting to mess with people's minds is that

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if Superman had come and had tried to, let's say,

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was serving the interest of Krypton while he was in

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America and it wasn't clear what his allegiance was, right,

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whether his allegiance was to America or to Crypton, then

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he would he could not be the same character. He

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could not be Superman, he could not have the power

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that he has, and in some ways he would be

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constantly suspect of being a trader, constantly suspect of serving

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the interest of something which is from the outside. Now,

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now it comes to the New Superman movie, which I'm

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going to spoil for you, so if you haven't seen

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it yet, you can maybe stop watching the video right now.

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New Superman movie is they change one aspect of his

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origin story. What they do is that when Superman arrives,

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there's a video with the spaceship and there's a message

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from his parents that tell him to kind of join

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to this new country. It's a beautiful new planet, and

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to join himself with these people. And I think it

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says to like serve these people. But then half of

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the message is corrupted and so he only hears the

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first half, and that's what leads him to become Superman, right,

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of serves the good of the nation of the planet

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where he is. But then in the movie they figure

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out a way to decode the last part of the message,

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and they find out that in the second part of

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the message, his parents basically say, you know, you're the powerful,

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they're very weak, you know, and so dominate them, rule

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over them. And then he also like basically inseminate as

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many human women as possible in order to kind of

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repopulate the world with the Kryptonian the Kryptonian lineage, you know.

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Superman is rightly so in the movie, rightly so suspect

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of being a kind of a foreign agent. He's suspect

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of being a foreign influence. Of all of a sudden,

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his power becomes dangerous for the for the United States

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because why is he doing it? Right? Is he doing

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it because he wants to take the strength of America

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and give it to the Kryptonian lineage, take the strength

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of American, give it to the Kryptonian power, and subjugate

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that power to himself. And so it's I found it

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to be a very smart move, a very interesting thing

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to do, because in some ways, what James Gunn does

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is he says, you know, the danger of people coming

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from from the outside is real, Like it's real if

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the people that come from the outside and join to

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your group are still have a strong allegiance to the

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place where they come from. Because in some ways you're

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taking the power right. In Proverbs five, it talks about

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the idea is you know that beware the strange woman,

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beware the loose woman. You know her tongue drips honey,

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but her feet are down in shale, and it says

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to beware of her because what she will do is

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she will basically take your strength and give it to

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the stranger. She'll take your identity and she'll dissipate it

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out into something else which is not you. And so

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I was really surprised and kind of impressed by the

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fact that James Gunn dares to make that part of

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his story to say that, you know, the Kryptonians can

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be represented as this invader in some ways, right, the

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alien invader that tries to take over. But that what

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happens is that super Man realizes that he finds more

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value in his adopted home and that he kind of

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swears allegiance to his adopted parents, realizes that they're the

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ones who really gave him his values. They're the ones

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that have provided for him a home to live, and

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so he basically switches and then starts to instead of

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playing that message from his Kryptonian parents, he then watches

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these videos of when he was a child being raised

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by his very very American parents. Surprising again in the

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movie is that he gives those parents a Southern accent

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that might seem like a detail, but that is not

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a detail in American iconography, which is that the Southern

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accent in American Hollywood iconography is usually to show someone

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as being stupid, or to show someone as being backwards

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and as being you know, kind of hicic like and

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and social regressive. All of these are what is being

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signaled in American movies and in American media when they

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show someone with a Southern accent, which is why most

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people that enter into media try to get rid of

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their Southern accent. Which in the movie, of course Superman

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does that, you know, so we could. I don't know

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what that exactly means, but nonetheless, what he ends up

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doing is he ends up kind of giving his allegiance

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to his southern you know, kind of homegrown parents. And

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I found that to be a very beautiful thing in

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some ways, and I thought that I'm really surprised that

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Gun went in that direction and signal things in that direction.

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the need for yes, people that come from the outside,

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but also yes they have to if they want to

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join a nation, if they want to join if someone

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from the outside wants to join your team or your

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company or your nation, they have to have an allegiance

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to the reason why they're there. They can't own, only

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care for the place where they come from on the outside.

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And that is in some ways what is happening now,

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like all of the madness of so many things that

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are happening in the narrative, you know, several of the wars,

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but then also the immigration crisis the United States, the

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illegal immigration crisis, all of these are this story shaking,

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which is, you know, how can we integrate things from

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the outside, you know, without being dissipated, without being completely

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taken over, and without our strength moving towards outer or

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foreign interests. So, you know, and if you pay attention

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right all of that, whether it is the way in

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which people are trying to suggest that, you know, the

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right wing people are beholden to Russia, or whether it's

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now people trying to say that Americas behold into Israel,

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or whether it's trying to say, you know, all of

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these different narrative everything about also the problem of you know,

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millions of immigrants coming from the southern border are all

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about how do we both understand America as as a

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nation that integrates people from the outside, But how do

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we formulate that integration as a true integration and one

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that serves the interests of the place itself and not

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and not the and not give power to the outside.

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And so Superman in some ways, in his in his

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imagery is the best example of that is a beautiful

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example of someone who comes from the outside and puts

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his strength to the service of the place where he is.

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You know, this is of course the story also that's

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kind of playing out in the movie in the series Invincible,

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you know, surprised to see also this coming into the

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Superman story. But these are the questions that are important.

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And uh and but I would say, you know, if

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you want to watch a movie, I would say, go

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see the Superman movie. It's worth. It's worth in some

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ways rewarding. People are not going insane. There are still

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tropes that are annoying in it. Of course, the bad

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guys Russian you know, of course, you know, I mean,

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there are things that are that are just kind of

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kind of tedious in the in the movie. But I

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would say most of all, it's just a basic kind

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of action superhero story that tries to recapture the power

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of the first superhero in a way that I think

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is is done quite well. And so thanks everybody for

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your attention. Hope you enjoy this and to talk to

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