Speaker 1: And we're back plays with my guest right here from
Speaker 1: New York, The bad Lands August wrestles for lp W.
Speaker 2: Right, what else you wrestled for? That's that's it for now.
Speaker 3: It's LBW legacy progress.
Speaker 2: You got you listen? How are you feeling good?
Speaker 4: That's I'm feeling pretty good. Thank you for having me again.
Speaker 4: Of course it's a new year. The bad Lands is
Speaker 4: still right and high his next show on January eighteenth,
Speaker 4: lp W.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be an exciting time. But of course we
Speaker 3: have there are more shows out there.
Speaker 1: And m.
Speaker 4: And and if if luck, if we strike gold, we'll
Speaker 4: strike luck.
Speaker 3: And we'll see and we'll see if if the bad
Speaker 3: Lands makes his h in his debut on other shows, we'll.
Speaker 2: Find out cool cool cool cool cool.
Speaker 1: So like uh so, I'll ask you, like, like how
Speaker 1: your thoughts might not roll like the their debut on
Speaker 1: Netflix about that real quick.
Speaker 4: Well in the moment, so as I was watching it,
Speaker 4: it was I I I enjoyed.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed a bit of it.
Speaker 4: It was I liked the uh, I liked the opening
Speaker 4: with Roman and uh uh so uh it really felt
Speaker 4: like it felt much more like a main event to me.
Speaker 4: The the outside interference was it was fun and energetic,
Speaker 4: the suspense was real, and it also feels like they're
Speaker 4: putting away this storyline for the year and that they're
Speaker 4: gonna move on to other things with with each faction.
Speaker 4: So we'll find out we'll find it out more about
Speaker 4: that in the future. And uh, although honestly the worst
Speaker 4: of the worst.
Speaker 3: Of it was it uh when Hulk Cogan and Jimmy
Speaker 3: Hart came out, it.
Speaker 4: Was almost to me, it was almost like John Cena returning.
Speaker 3: In the Royal Rumble of two thousand and eight. It
Speaker 3: was a huge pop.
Speaker 4: Everyone was uh so surprised that that he made that return.
Speaker 4: And then it takes about a minute for everyone to go,
Speaker 4: wait a second, you don't like this guy, and the
Speaker 4: crowd instantly turned on Hogan.
Speaker 3: Did you get that?
Speaker 2: That's what I felt?
Speaker 1: Well, I think, well, I think that they were cheering
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hart, right, and.
Speaker 3: Then I mean, I'm sure they would.
Speaker 1: And then Hogan came out, Hogan, fuck Hogan, gonna boo him,
Speaker 1: And so I'm interested, no, because you know, I've had
Speaker 1: no perspective from you know, like African Americans on this,
Speaker 1: like on this on the show today. I had myself,
Speaker 1: Brandon Cavanaugh, Russ just now from his prior to you
Speaker 1: coming on and Chris Fleming right, and we're all you know,
Speaker 1: we're all black, right, and so even even Russ right,
Speaker 1: he said so himself. I'm just now I'm gonna read
Speaker 1: right here, he said, good show love Hoking, Bood hated
Speaker 1: the Rocks love best. But before I before I move on, right,
Speaker 1: So why so I do em phrase this now? I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just curious because I like, I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: I'm not pushing an envelope. So what's your reaction to
Speaker 1: Hogan and Bood? Like, what's your takeaway from hoging it?
Speaker 3: Bood?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think it has to do with last year,
Speaker 4: because you know, Hogan makes up and made a bunch.
Speaker 3: Of public political appearances. And I feel like if you
Speaker 3: if you're a pop culture figure and you start getting
Speaker 3: into politics, you're gonna get into some hot water.
Speaker 4: But then again that politics and pop culture have been
Speaker 4: and in twining. It's in twining between the two of
Speaker 4: the in between each other for like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: over ten years now, but it's still it's it's still
Speaker 4: a a controversial things.
Speaker 2: Politics, Okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Would say, I would say so, and a couple a
Speaker 4: couple with the fact.
Speaker 3: That Hogan has done a lot of uh, has said
Speaker 3: a lot of well you know.
Speaker 4: And uh, but when when his music hits, everyone has
Speaker 4: that sense of nostalgia and they just got to get
Speaker 4: up and cheer.
Speaker 3: But then reality sets in for for about.
Speaker 4: A minute for everyone to switch emotions.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll say this real quick, not not not
Speaker 1: too impossible to deep, but you know, on a take,
Speaker 1: it's also like, you know, I'm aga supporter, you didn't get.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm it's true, but but Undertaker is different. You know,
Speaker 4: it's kind of strange you're saying this because we're it's
Speaker 4: cash stranger talking about this because last night, by coincidence, uh,
Speaker 4: one of my peers out of nowhere was talking to
Speaker 4: me about this.
Speaker 3: About about politics.
Speaker 4: And it just makes me think, uh, it just makes
Speaker 4: me realize that out of nowhere you can have you
Speaker 4: can you can have these in these conversations. Uh when
Speaker 4: when you're still in wrestling mode. But about here we
Speaker 4: are and it's you know, it's unavoidable.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, but so yeah, so you talked about
Speaker 1: the open air match, about holding coming out play with
Speaker 1: the other stuff, se puckets of rollins.
Speaker 3: Uh, and so.
Speaker 4: I didn't really want them to be the main event.
Speaker 4: But just like Undertaker, and just like Roman and Solo,
Speaker 4: it's it's almost like they're putting that storyline to to
Speaker 4: bed and uh thinking of something else thoughts, as in
Speaker 4: moving on to something else.
Speaker 2: So you thought that Roman is to be made event.
Speaker 3: I feel I feel like it should have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my argument against that would be fucking
Speaker 1: superate raw guys.
Speaker 2: So they should be made raw.
Speaker 4: That's true, But I don't know why why would there
Speaker 4: if it's if it's main event for raw and they
Speaker 4: are raw guys, why have a bunch of SmackDown superstars?
Speaker 3: Uh? If if they can't main events raw?
Speaker 1: Well, well, I was wanting to say I was saying
Speaker 1: this earlier about the broadcast because this wasn't like like
Speaker 1: this was like you know, like a tip ups. It
Speaker 1: was like they're jumped from cable to Netflix. So this
Speaker 1: is this is more of a of a special. It's
Speaker 1: probably like of like a celebration episode that's supposed like
Speaker 1: a typ of cops of things. So of course we
Speaker 1: bring We're gonna bring you up with a smack dot
Speaker 1: com to yeah you have like back you Bailey and
Speaker 1: the SmackDown guys and like chilling the audience and chilling
Speaker 1: in the luxury boxes.
Speaker 2: Because it's a party.
Speaker 1: Man, It's not like it's like it's like it's like
Speaker 1: when you're like a little It's like you're when you're
Speaker 1: in school, right, like like in kindergarten.
Speaker 3: It was. It was very much a party when you're.
Speaker 1: In kindergarten, right, and all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: it's some kids birthday part for the classes Catholic and
Speaker 1: subating birthday party that that happen in the school day
Speaker 1: in saying, it's kind of like that.
Speaker 2: That's why. That's why I thought it was how would
Speaker 2: you feel about how did you feel.
Speaker 1: About the the lack of wrestling by comparison, it's like
Speaker 1: five matches, everything was just like no talking and showing
Speaker 1: the audience whatever.
Speaker 3: The lack of wrestling compared to what.
Speaker 1: The lack of respect by comparison, right, because five matches
Speaker 1: very very like interspersed, so so my comparison like the
Speaker 1: typical raw right, it was very like like it felt
Speaker 1: like it was like more more like more substance, more
Speaker 1: what's the word I felt like it was more it
Speaker 1: was more shine than substance.
Speaker 4: People are saying, Uh, I mean I didn't really exactly
Speaker 4: notice it.
Speaker 3: What I was. What I was noticing was what felt.
Speaker 4: Uh worked for me and what didn't work for me,
Speaker 4: Like for instance, John Cena, I I expected him to
Speaker 4: to work for me, and he did him and entering
Speaker 4: himself into the Royal Rumble and the way he did it,
Speaker 4: it's it felt like John Cena and it was something
Speaker 4: I expected from Sina. Okay, and it's gotten me hyped forwards.
Speaker 2: Okay, what what didn't work for you?
Speaker 3: Uh? Well, I was previously mentioned Paul Cogan. It's what
Speaker 3: else ever since? Uh, I don't know, ever since.
Speaker 4: Twenty nineteen, it feels like he just comes down to
Speaker 4: the to the arena, never walks into the stage in
Speaker 4: the ring.
Speaker 3: And just says a few things and then it is
Speaker 3: out of there.
Speaker 1: Well, he came here his false beer, you know, he
Speaker 1: came left with the fulls beer. So yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 2: Well wealth didn't work for you, as you say.
Speaker 4: Uh well, the matched placements. Yeah, the the the beginning
Speaker 4: and the main events I feel should have been switched.
Speaker 4: And what else was there there was James So and
Speaker 4: there was there was and there was.
Speaker 1: Little Morgan versus Dominic, I mean, no real ripley new champions.
Speaker 4: It it felt I mean, I am glad that.
Speaker 3: I am glad that. Do you think that they're putting
Speaker 3: that storyline to bed?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I hope not.
Speaker 3: I hope they are mean too.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's been dragging, yes, and yeah this was a
Speaker 1: very yeah yeah I know that, right or the big
Speaker 1: bas won the matches a good again, like a good thing,
Speaker 1: especially especially trying to put on new viewers. This this
Speaker 1: was a this was a showcase to like millions and
Speaker 1: of new viewers, you know. So I think in every
Speaker 1: way this was like a massive success. But I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm like curious because I'm seeing a lot of the
Speaker 1: negat feedback.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of people on social media who
Speaker 4: who said the show.
Speaker 3: Was a flop. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's one thing if you're like, you know, like
Speaker 1: at a W for Life on Twitter or like I
Speaker 1: love a W one oh two five nine whatever on Twitter,
Speaker 1: or right saying the stuff you though because you know
Speaker 1: of tribalism fandom. But it's another thing where like you know,
Speaker 1: like you're somebody like you know, Brandon or Kavanaugh or
Speaker 1: Russ or whoever, right with with with an unbiased opinion, right.
Speaker 1: And I was surprised that of you know, of the
Speaker 1: candid that reception, you know, like you know, well Brandon
Speaker 1: was saying. Brandon was saying, you know, I thought that
Speaker 1: they should have no showcased the raw people more this
Speaker 1: that third and you know it was pretty much them,
Speaker 1: you know, pans us on the back whatever. Right, And
Speaker 1: again this is like this is like no, like like
Speaker 1: honest sincere candidate like beedback. No, no, not just some
Speaker 1: people like the other product whatever, right, And I was
Speaker 1: just I was un expected. My computer is backing up
Speaker 1: on make sure it's the lot still recording were good
Speaker 1: and I could yeah, but yeah, that's just so I'm
Speaker 1: just curious. So that's why that's the reason why I
Speaker 1: got you buy it here today, just to get their
Speaker 1: thoughts on the show.
Speaker 2: I thought it was good.
Speaker 1: I was surprised to see that not by thoughts so well,
Speaker 1: but overall like thumbs up and thumbs down.
Speaker 2: Um A considered, I.
Speaker 3: Guess I'll give it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, and uh yeah, and
Speaker 1: they built up stuff for um next week, right, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, uh no, they built up you know, uh,
Speaker 1: they built up the next week, they built up the
Speaker 1: Women's Championship Finals, they built up other stuff.
Speaker 4: They gotta say if if I can't say, it's a
Speaker 4: surprise that we're still in the copy and paste era
Speaker 4: of title belts.
Speaker 3: M hm. You got you got the one big logo
Speaker 3: for for w W E and w W Women's, uh,
Speaker 3: the the World.
Speaker 4: Heavyweight, the Intercontinental, the United States, the North American.
Speaker 3: It's still very much a copy and paste era for.
Speaker 2: For w W mm hmm. I mean, well, why do
Speaker 2: the word copy and paste?
Speaker 4: You can't, you can't you can like you can't make
Speaker 4: an original design for the or for the for the
Speaker 4: women's division.
Speaker 2: Well you mean design or the titled self, the.
Speaker 3: Title belt itself.
Speaker 1: So so the design like the design okay, So, but
Speaker 1: being called the United States Championship or air College that's fine, right, Okay?
Speaker 2: I mean I don't only see a problem with that
Speaker 2: to me because I studied business in school. That's like,
Speaker 2: that's like that's like.
Speaker 1: Branding and branding identity, you know, saying so I I
Speaker 1: didn't I only see a problem with that. That's like
Speaker 1: branding and branding identity. So again, I don't really see
Speaker 1: a problem with that. Yeah, and I know this is
Speaker 1: the w W Women's United States Championship. It's so and
Speaker 1: so forth, I would my one thing. And I know
Speaker 1: there's probably no like like factors in making factors and
Speaker 1: successes involved, but I'm like, they should stop calling the
Speaker 1: world and stop calling the WB called the raw.
Speaker 2: World Championship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know I realized it's probably mitigating substances
Speaker 1: that that's not allowing that, right, But that's the best
Speaker 1: thing you can do, makes the most sense, because that
Speaker 1: always bothered me, Like, this is the w W World Championship, Well,
Speaker 1: this is the World Championship, like that always they bugged
Speaker 1: this shet of me.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, going, I'm confusing me, so like which
Speaker 2: one is more important? Orders the same?
Speaker 1: But so I'm a champion of w W, I'm a
Speaker 1: champion of the world. So that comment confused me. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like so I again I'm repeating myself. I
Speaker 1: know there's probably a circumstances that's for bringing that, but
Speaker 1: the best thing you can do is to say, all right,
Speaker 1: this is the raw.
Speaker 2: This is the the SmackDown World Championship. This is the
Speaker 2: Raw World Championship. You know what I'm saying. You know
Speaker 2: they have what no.
Speaker 3: No, I would disagree it.
Speaker 4: That reminds me of the Ron SmackDown Women's Championships, the
Speaker 4: main Events, the main Events, Big Card World Championships.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't like the Raw and SmackDown branded championships even
Speaker 4: even at the time, and I still don't now. It's
Speaker 4: it's it doesn't feel legitimate. It doesn't sound legitimate to me.
Speaker 2: Why not.
Speaker 3: Like it's.
Speaker 4: It just sounded it sounds more brandish to me, brandished
Speaker 4: for a show, a show.
Speaker 3: Brand for a title you've got and then but if
Speaker 3: you have the w W E and the World Heavyweights.
Speaker 4: It feels like it's two distinct titles with two distinct histories.
Speaker 4: That's how I felt when I first discovered the w
Speaker 4: W A Championship and the World Heavyweight Championship. That's and
Speaker 4: that's how I felt when I first discovered it, and
Speaker 4: that's how.
Speaker 2: I feel still feel about it.
Speaker 1: Real quick, Right, it's not supposed to be called w
Speaker 1: W champions right, that's just the version. It's just supposed
Speaker 1: to be called the w W World Championship, right, So
Speaker 1: you have to the WOR World Championship, the world ships.
Speaker 2: Which one is is the real one?
Speaker 3: This is what I did.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that it was supposed to be called
Speaker 4: the WWE World Championship.
Speaker 3: I thought I thought it was just meant to be
Speaker 3: called the champion.
Speaker 1: Listen when when they announcer announcing the Tomas right, this
Speaker 1: mess with one ball is for the w W World
Speaker 1: the Heavyweight Championship.
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: That's maybe it's just headcannon for me and you. And
Speaker 3: it's what w W has to say about their belts.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 1: I know what, Yeah, but I don't know because again
Speaker 1: they treat like this technique and promotions raw as a
Speaker 1: promotion by itself, smacked up promotion by itself, and XT
Speaker 1: promotions by itself. Right, n XT has its has the
Speaker 1: NXT Championship, so smacked up, would have to spect that championship.
Speaker 1: RUS should have the row Chimps. That's why that's why
Speaker 1: I see it, you know, and and and and that
Speaker 1: was fun. I was saying, probably the factors involved in that.
Speaker 1: But they're no longer filled with fox, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, they still have a deal. They still
Speaker 1: know filled with nothing NBC USA, right, But I.
Speaker 2: Feel like I feel like they said they should change it.
Speaker 1: They should like, yo, it is the WRAW Championship because
Speaker 1: it's each brand is it's it's all separate promotion, right,
Speaker 1: and they should just do that.
Speaker 2: But it's whatever, Okay, cool cool? Cool? Uh yeah real quick?
Speaker 1: You were you were telling me that prior to watching
Speaker 1: We're All on Monday, right, you and your peers talking
Speaker 1: about Russell Kingdom and how didn't feel like Russell Kingdom
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not much of it.
Speaker 4: I don't have much knowledge of New Japan for Wrestling
Speaker 4: or Japanese wrestling, but but I do have some knowledge
Speaker 4: of it and.
Speaker 2: Its history of tell me about also Kingdom.
Speaker 1: I did not see a look of it because I've
Speaker 1: just been too carprom all this personal stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, from what I've heard, it's, oh you see it.
Speaker 3: I thought I told you before, but but I did not.
Speaker 4: But from what I heard, it did not feel like
Speaker 4: my peers felt like it didn't feel like Wrestle Kingdom
Speaker 4: and uh, and how New Japan Pro Wrestling is starting
Speaker 4: to be trying to americanize itself with with American with
Speaker 4: a similar style and similar characters to w w EE
Speaker 4: like like their own their own kind of Triple H
Speaker 4: or Vince McMahon, and it's losing its feel.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 5: I believe I'm hearing what you're saying because my my
Speaker 5: peers and UH and trainers always tell me how Japan Japan.
Speaker 4: Wrestling pro wrestling always had its distinct feel and it's
Speaker 4: a lot more tough and and grinding, and they've always
Speaker 4: stuck with that. So I'm not exactly sure what's happening
Speaker 4: in New Japan for wrestling, but if they're choosing to
Speaker 4: do this, UH, I would not.
Speaker 3: I would not support that. It's I feel like if
Speaker 3: it's if if you have a feel and you've and you've.
Speaker 4: Stuck with it this whole time and it's been totally successful,
Speaker 4: there's no need to to create competition with someone else.
Speaker 3: We need don't need to.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like that's cos versions right,
Speaker 1: that's that's not like no down talk a W. But
Speaker 1: I feel like because a W is kind of rating
Speaker 1: all of the New Japan talent, like all the top
Speaker 1: guys like Okada and Jay White, and the list goes
Speaker 1: on and on, like E C E and all them people.
Speaker 3: A right.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're kind of like the sapping way
Speaker 1: the life force of New Japan. Like who's who is
Speaker 1: all New Japan right now?
Speaker 2: I'm saying that taking away so many Yeah, taking away?
Speaker 1: Yeah, m you know, I haven't like yeah, like I
Speaker 1: used to like enjoy New Japan, but like I feel
Speaker 1: like it's like the souls now and like I hope
Speaker 1: to God because this rumor's going around the toy's gonna
Speaker 1: buy New Japan, and I pray that he doesn't.
Speaker 2: That's who don't. I'm being a call once.
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, fudge, who is this?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 5: Damn?
Speaker 3: Hold on?
Speaker 1: Hell h hello yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on alright,
Speaker 1: Heldo said, I say something talk talk there you go? Yeah,
Speaker 1: sorry about that. Somebody called, they didn't answer. I lost
Speaker 1: and lost their connections with you.
Speaker 2: So but we're back.
Speaker 1: It's fine, not a big deal.
Speaker 2: But what's the camera plane?
Speaker 1: All? Right?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 1: You go?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Like I was saying, yeah, I feel like because of no,
Speaker 1: they don't been taking away all these all the top names, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like you kind of lost some deliight, like
Speaker 1: like lost like some soul, this energy like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's five it's feel like whol Like Whol is
Speaker 1: on a not either who's on New.
Speaker 2: Japan right now that you know or remember or care about.
Speaker 2: And it's not not to be mean, it's just like the.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just it's just lost a lot
Speaker 1: of its substance because of all the time going to
Speaker 1: a w something like that. And I just hope that
Speaker 1: I hope the rooms aren't true that Toy is gonna
Speaker 1: buy New Japan because he bought the Barn and what
Speaker 1: happened in the.
Speaker 2: Not the same. It's pretty much like it's pretty much a.
Speaker 3: Dark and has has been through dark times before.
Speaker 4: I've read the I've read the stories on how there
Speaker 4: were very few people going to see Breaking Up HM
Speaker 4: and they had new wrestlers that brought some new energy
Speaker 4: and a new feel to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe that happened again, hopefully, hopefully. I guess
Speaker 1: the time will tell. Okay, Okay, it's almost eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut off now because I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for hours.
Speaker 2: Dog I bet I bet so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have joined sooner, but it's been a long,
Speaker 3: busy day.
Speaker 1: It's fun, I don't I'm I think that's a whole.
Speaker 1: That's a lifely schedule in your career, a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: So I don't blame you.
Speaker 2: It's fine.
Speaker 4: Oh, I appreciate this, dude. It's uh, it's it's really good.
Speaker 4: It's really good to uh to talk about this stuff.
Speaker 4: And it's always it's always a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I read any. I also want to stay
Speaker 2: real quick before I let you go and take a break,
Speaker 2: to your to your.
Speaker 4: Viewers out there, you got to bring out We've got
Speaker 4: to bring out the future because on January eighteenth, the
Speaker 4: Battle is gonna make.
Speaker 3: His next his next standoffs.
Speaker 2: Uh where So.
Speaker 4: That's yet to be determined as for a lot of
Speaker 4: things on lp W, but we're gonna find out.
Speaker 2: Too. Stay tuned for that follow up.
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Speaker 2: Now, all right man, it's nice having you on.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me. I hope to do
Speaker 3: it again soon.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course. You all right, let me know,
Speaker 2: let me know, let me know about the show come up.
Speaker 1: I might pop hocket all the time, so yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, betman, A right leally, gentlemen,