Speaker 1: Not been boring. That's for sure an eventful year, to
Speaker 1: say the least. At least I didn't get shot, you know,
Speaker 1: look at the brand side, but we have had people
Speaker 1: shoot up Tells, the stores and burn down till the cars.
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that level of violence, really. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's obviously been attempts to sort of boycott Tells them,
Speaker 1: my other companies and basically put whatever pressure they possibly
Speaker 1: can on me and and Tesla and to some degree
Speaker 1: with my other companies. And I guess that's that's what
Speaker 1: happens when you go after waste and fraud, because the
Speaker 1: people that are receiving the billions of dollars waste and
Speaker 1: fraud want to keep receiving it. The people doing the
Speaker 1: bad things want to keep getting the money. And you're
Speaker 1: necessarily dealing with an unsavory group, that is, since they're
Speaker 1: doing illegal things already and we're stopping them from doing
Speaker 1: legal things, obviously they're they're going to do bad things
Speaker 1: to me and to my companies somewhat inevitable.
Speaker 2: I think, do you regret doing what you've been doing.
Speaker 2: Do you regret coming out and supporting President No?
Speaker 1: I think it was essential for the President Trump to
Speaker 1: win to ensure that America remained great and that we
Speaker 1: reached greater heights. Really, some very basic things need to happen.
Speaker 1: We need to have obviously a secure border, We need
Speaker 1: to have safe cities, We need to have sensible spending.
Speaker 1: I think if President Trump had not won, I think
Speaker 1: the Democrat campaign to import vast numbers of illegal voters
Speaker 1: would have succeeded, and they would have naturalized vast numbers
Speaker 1: of illegals during the sort of comm regime, and they
Speaker 1: would have turned America into a one party state from
Speaker 1: which we could never escape. Some people out there may
Speaker 1: be somewhat skeptical that may think, well that there isn't
Speaker 1: some Democrat plan to subvert democracy and achieve a permanent
Speaker 1: one party deep blue socialist state. I as show you
Speaker 1: if the more you research it, the more you will
Speaker 1: see it is true. Biden was simply asleep at the switch.
Speaker 1: He was ineffective regarding illegal immigration. No, he was highly
Speaker 1: effective at ushering in millions of illegal immigrants with a
Speaker 1: specific game plan to naturalize them and ensure that there
Speaker 1: were no There would be no swing states in America anymore.
Speaker 1: Often the margin of victory there will be twenty or
Speaker 1: thirty thousand votes. So if you bring in two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand illegals which will overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats, then
Speaker 1: that that swing state becomes permanently blue. Then you have
Speaker 1: the House, the Senate, the presidency.
Speaker 2: When did Elon Musk finally say, you know what, I
Speaker 2: feel like something is really grossly wrong with what's going
Speaker 2: on in this country.
Speaker 1: Well, I started having concerns about three years ago, but
Speaker 1: they were sort of I just had like an uneasy
Speaker 1: feeling like something doesn't feel right here. The censorship was
Speaker 1: becoming ridiculous, like I could like I had. I had
Speaker 1: the most interacted with account on Twitter before the acquisition,
Speaker 1: so I was very finally attuned to what the algorithm
Speaker 1: was showing me or not showing me, and who got
Speaker 1: suspended or didn't get suspended. Twitter was being run at
Speaker 1: a very far left basis. When I felt the censorship
Speaker 1: was closing it, I was like, Okay, I got to
Speaker 1: do something. And the thing I could do is acquire
Speaker 1: Twitter and make it a bastion of free speech. And
Speaker 1: that's what we're trying to do with with Twitter. Like
Speaker 1: no one on the left has been suspended, but we
Speaker 1: did unsuspend people on the right, and you know, let's
Speaker 1: let the marketplace of ideas. And then once we unlocked
Speaker 1: Twitter from being censored, then then we start to see
Speaker 1: what was really gone on. And I became increasingly concerned.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a second, I'm seeing videos of people
Speaker 1: streaming across the border on Twitter now X I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this is this real? So
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, I'll go to the border myself.
Speaker 1: So I went to Eagle Pass, Texas, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: people streaming across the border. And I was like, so,
Speaker 1: is there any vetting of these people? Like, no, the
Speaker 1: Biden administration is letting them all in. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: but some of these people clearly have criminal affiliations, like
Speaker 1: they literally have the criminal affiliation tattooed on their face.
Speaker 1: That the left is kind to the criminals and cruel
Speaker 1: to the victims, which is no form which is not empty.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, if you're high TRUSTe
Speaker 1: and you bring in low trust or untrustworthy individuals, that's
Speaker 1: now you've got a fundamental breakdown in the system. Recipe
Speaker 1: for disaster a rest beefore disaster.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like for you, you went through these
Speaker 2: moments of actually seeing things firsthand for yourself. So you
Speaker 2: had these moments leading up to really coming out on
Speaker 2: the stage October in Butler, Pennsylvania with President Trump.
Speaker 1: You just can't have a country like this. I supported Obama,
Speaker 1: gave the maximum donation to Obama, actually had a pretty
Speaker 1: good relationship. When when Biden was elected out, I guess
Speaker 1: most moderates that I knew, they thought it would be
Speaker 1: like a milk toast mosion of Obama. And then it's like,
Speaker 1: I think we get the most radical left crazy administration
Speaker 1: ever with and and Biden is actually non confass mantis,
Speaker 1: you know, president outopen. Basically, Biden was president atop who
Speaker 1: haven't controlled that ortoped a teleprompt during the Bided administration
Speaker 1: was the real president. If a reasonable person who's open
Speaker 1: minded was exposed the same information that I was exposed to,
Speaker 1: they would end up at the same place that I
Speaker 1: ended up.
Speaker 2: You grew up in South Africa, you lived during a
Speaker 2: period of apartheid. I'm sure you've seen a lot of
Speaker 2: horrific things. So to be called a Nazi by people,
Speaker 2: to be made out to be this monster, that must
Speaker 2: be really hard for you.
Speaker 1: It's a relentless propaganda campaign, which obviously your President Trump
Speaker 1: has experienced for a very long time twenty years maybe longer.
Speaker 1: And politics is a blood sport, so they're gonna come
Speaker 1: up with whatever attacks they can to destroy the public
Speaker 1: perception of someone. Now, obviously I've not harmed anyone in
Speaker 1: my life. They've also called President Trump a Nazi, but
Speaker 1: he also is not a violent person and in fact
Speaker 1: has done a lot to prevent wars and stop wars,
Speaker 1: which is the very opposite of being a Nazi.
Speaker 2: Actually ironic how that works out.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it is disappointing how well propaganda works. If
Speaker 1: you repeat Ali, you know, the sort of he's a
Speaker 1: Nazi light enough times some people actually believe it, especially
Speaker 1: people that still believe the Legacy News. But they really
Speaker 1: are trying every angle to get me. They are doing
Speaker 1: character assassination. That's by a thousand cuts. It shows that
Speaker 1: we if what we were doing at DOGE was not effective,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't care. But it is effective, and that's why
Speaker 1: they're trying every angle to put pressure on me and
Speaker 1: DOGE to stop fixing the government.
Speaker 2: Talk about your relationship with President Trump. You came to DC,
Speaker 2: people immediately said Elon Musk is in charge of things
Speaker 2: here very clearly. President Trump is.
Speaker 1: I do consider the president of friend. I think he
Speaker 1: considers me a friend, and you know, we get along
Speaker 1: very well. I think probably if you asked us both
Speaker 1: the same set of questions in two different rooms, eighty
Speaker 1: percent of the time we come up with the same answer.
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll just not say that we always agree,
Speaker 1: but we almost always agree. Getting where of waste for
Speaker 1: in the government and ensuring the rule of ploye is followed.
Speaker 1: We've seen just crazy things like the twenty million dead
Speaker 1: people and the Social Security database marked is alive, many
Speaker 1: of whom were receiving benefits. One person with three hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty years old older than I think that would
Speaker 1: be a bit of a red flag. You know, they're
Speaker 1: older than America. And you know, we found we found
Speaker 1: people receiving unemployment insurance with a birth birth date in
Speaker 1: the future. We found at the Small Business Administration that
Speaker 1: they're giving at loans to people as young as nine months.
Speaker 1: So we're stopping things like that. I've actually found there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are federal government employees. They're
Speaker 1: active employees who nonetheless applied for and have received unemployment
Speaker 1: insurance while they are federal employees. Yes. Wow, and this
Speaker 1: appears to be at least one hundred thousand people. Wow.
Speaker 2: We know that you're finding all of this, but you're
Speaker 2: actually also simultaneously running several companies. What else are you
Speaker 2: doing and how are you doing it? And where are
Speaker 2: you doing it? Are you sleeping? Are you traveling all
Speaker 2: the time?
Speaker 1: This is a very difficult That's why I made that
Speaker 1: sort of I'm wearing many hats joke. The cabinet was
Speaker 1: given the Gulf of America hat, I believe it was,
Speaker 1: so you see all the all the hats there. And
Speaker 1: then I happened to have a doge hat like you
Speaker 1: know what, I'll put a hat on a hat and
Speaker 1: proved to people that I am wearing what we really are.
Speaker 1: I am wearing more than one hat. Even my hat
Speaker 1: has a hat. So it requires in ten effort for
Speaker 1: except for about three months, which were kind of out
Speaker 1: the three month point now and then I can taper
Speaker 1: taper my time allocation but still get things done. So
Speaker 1: and I've tooked this over with the president, so this
Speaker 1: is no surprise or.
Speaker 2: If anyone knows about multitasking and getting a lot done.
Speaker 1: It's him, absolutely, He's very good at multitasking and getting
Speaker 1: a lot done in many different arenas. I also still
Speaker 1: have my little office and my cute little office in
Speaker 1: the West wing by the way. It's like comically small.
Speaker 1: People have taken photos of it and stuff, but I
Speaker 1: wanted it to be tiny. And even this office I use,
Speaker 1: but it's also used for meetings and stuff, so I
Speaker 1: try not to, you know, use of a lot of space.
Speaker 1: In fact, I usually don't even have an at my companies.
Speaker 1: I don't even have an office. I just walk around,
Speaker 1: talk to people and have meetings.
Speaker 2: That's how you know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's how you know what's going on now.
Speaker 2: Very famously, there was a story about you when you
Speaker 2: first came to DC that you slept on a couch
Speaker 2: in your office. This is where the richest man in
Speaker 2: the world slept. Yeah, wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Why did you do that? Well, I didn't really have
Speaker 1: a good place to stay at the time. How long
Speaker 1: did you do that for off and on for a
Speaker 1: few weeks? That's incredible. Yeah, I mean it's the worse
Speaker 1: places to sleep