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Speaker 3: All right, so that that scene I want to talk
about that scene, the truffle shovel scene, right, yeah, So
do you remember how they let him in? Because this
is a story of organ that they're filming in and
it was notorious for like you didn't know whether it
was going to be a beautiful sunny day or it
was going to be like a downpour, and they were
in kind of a rainy, crappy situation. And he's all
the way out at the gate and they're up on
the porch.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what they do?
Speaker 3: They've got like this the wily coyote contraption that does
the stuff that like, you know, the bowling ball and
all this other stuff that aultimately opened the gate for him,
right all right, yeah, okay, So if you look closely
along the stuff along the the way there there is
a little insignia that says Rube G on it. Okay,
Rube G is Rube Goldberg. He was a Pulitzer Prize
winning cartoonist who would do these drawings of these very
elaborate mechanical contraptions that really produced a very simple action.
Speaker 2: I love it, Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: You know what else you see? If you look really closely,
you see chicken pox scars on Chunk Jeffery Cohen because
he had the chicken pox, but he didn't want to
miss the movie, and so he just dealt with the
chicken pox.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he showed up with the chickenpox because he was
afraid to get replaced. That's fantastic. So now there's something else. Okay,
the clothes that they all wear. Oh yeah, it shows
up somewhere else. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought this up.
Speaker 4: Okay, Jurassic Park, that's it. Oh, okay, tell us more
about that.
Speaker 2: So the clothes, so you've you've got the Hawaiian shirt.
You've got the.
Speaker 3: Members only jacket, right, isn't that what Mouth wears is
the member's only jacket.
Speaker 4: Mouth was the member's only jacket.
Speaker 3: Anyway, you'll see all of these things. I think it
may be just one guy. It may just be the
what's the Dennis Nedri Yes, the right, yeah, yes, newman.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So all of his clothing options in Jurassic Park
mirror what Chunk wears and the goonies.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, including the raincoat the raincoat. Yeah yeah, yeah,
there you go. Throw back to by the way, throw
back to our Jurassic Park versus Jaws episode, which we
did when those movies were number one and number two
in the box office because it was the middle of
COVID and nobody what's going out to the movies unless
it was a drive in movie, and the drive in
movies were only showing the old movies like Jaws and
Jurassic Park. And on that note, the composer for both
of those movies was John Williams. John Williams and John
Williams is obviously also the composer for Indiana Jones and
The Temple of Doom. And instead of just repeating all
that stuff that we said back in our past two episodes,
I would just say, go check out our Jaws Versus
Jurassic Park episode, because I go into a huge, like
a ridiculous rabbit hole amount of information about John Williams
and that one. But unsurprisingly, he came back to do
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom after having done
Raiders of the Lost Ark and so many other Spielberg movies,
and I mean, it was of course great as always.
Speaker 4: Now I will tell you this, Yeah, we looked at this.
So he does an amazing job on Temple of Doom.
Right once again, Short Round has a theme. Willi has
a theme. The Slave Children they have their own theme.
The Temple of Doom has its own theme. Why would
he not just go right into the Goonies and do
the music for the Goonies? We really couldn't find anything.
Speaker 3: Except Yeah, I was gonna say, I just thought he's
too expensive. You thought he didn't because he didn't do
anything for a few years after Temple.
Speaker 4: Evini did nothing in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: Right, So I just thought he was too expensive.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is they didn't know how Goonies was
ultimately going to turn out, because I mean it's full
of people that nobody knew, like thee The only actor
in the whole movie that is recognizable from previous work
is Corey Feldman.
Speaker 4: Corey Feldman and Anne Ramsey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean even in Ramsey at that point,
she hadn't done Throw Mama from the Train.
Speaker 2: I mean she that's true.
Speaker 3: Her most recent work was kind of small part in
Every Which Way You Can Any which Way again, That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: John Williams's next project after The Goonies is a Kate
Capshaw movie. Can you name that movie?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Crap, No, I don't know anything else space Camp. Oh
of course, Oh, I forgot all about that. She wasn't
even she wasn't blonde in that one?
Speaker 4: Was she was not blonde in that one?
Speaker 2: Darkened her hair for that movie.
Speaker 4: Kate Capshaw, Leah Thompson, Kelly Preston, Yes, and a very
young Joaquin Phoenix.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, shout out to a film by podcast.
I think it was Jeff and Dave that covered this one,
but they covered space Camp. That was the very first
episode of THEIRS that I listened to back in like
twenty twenty one, I think. So go check out the
film by podcast and go listen.
Speaker 4: To the Space Camp Friends of Our nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 3: Okay, so John Williams did not do the music for Goonies.
The guy who did do the music for Goonies is
a guy called Dave Gruesome, yes, who He's done a
lot of good movies and a lot of bad movies.
He for the good movies that he's done. He did Tutsie,
he did on Golden Pond. He did My Bodyguard, which
is a favorite of mine. He used to watch that
on TV all the time when I was a little kid.
Speaker 4: Matt Dylan's the bad guy, the bully.
Speaker 3: I hated Matt Dilon like forever until there's something about Mary.
I thought Matt Dylan was a dirty, slimmy piece of
crap dude, because he was such a bad in My Bodyguard.
We should cover that sometime. That's a great movie, Absence
of Malice, Three Days of the Condor. He had done
a lot of Sydney Pollock work and firm.
Speaker 2: Yep. Murder by Death.
Speaker 4: Yeah, murder by Death. We've kind of got that one
on maybe on deck maybe for this year.
Speaker 2: We'll see. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Murder by Death was nineteen seventy five and it's
about a group of folks getting together and then there's
a murder and they have to solve a mystery inside
of this house, which is almost identical to another nineteen
eighty five movie that everybody loves called Clue. Sounds a
lot like Clue to me, and so we are seriously considered.
I had Peter Sellers in it. I mean, it's it's
it's just crying out. Those two movies are to be compared,
and so I think we got we gotta cover it
maybe around Halloween or.
Speaker 2: Something like that. Let's do it now.
Speaker 3: What's interesting about the Dave Gruson soundtrack for the Goonies
is that they use the for Telly chase that music
that they do.
Speaker 2: By the way, do you know what Fortelly means?
Speaker 3: No, it means brothers, so that they're the brothers brothers. Okay,
So the chase scene that they have. That music has
been used in a bunch of previews or trailers as
people call them these days, including Interspace and Scrooged, which
we covered versus was it Christmas Vacation?
Speaker 4: It was Christmas Vacation, another An Ramsey movie that we
talked about.
Speaker 2: That's right there.
Speaker 4: You go, wow, well that's really good. Dave Gruson does
a great job with the Goonies. Yeah, but when I
look at his work, nothing else really stands out in
my brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, there was a movie called Scandalous, which was a
four point four rating even though it had.
Speaker 4: Robert Hayes in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert Hayes and John Gilgod and yeah, I think
the poster was like everybody was looking for a boom
movie went to that one and was disappointed. And then
people who didn't want to boo a move, who you
didn't go to that one? But then he would go
on just a couple of years after Goonies and do
the infamous ish Tar.
Speaker 4: He had a knack of picking some good, some bad,
some good, some bad.
Speaker 3: Which I mean, I've heard teary talk about ish Tar
in like high praise, like it was it's not worth
the hate. So I'm really thinking maybe we do well.
What the heck happened with Ishtar?
Speaker 4: Why not? I mean, Warren Baby, Dustin Hoffman, what the
heck happened?
Speaker 3: Notice that I've got this was a present to me
from mister Jason Chick Magnet my.
Speaker 2: Jaws three D.
Speaker 3: You dude, I get the girls staring at me when
I wear the shirt. I'm not they do, of course
it is.
Speaker 2: It's because everybody secretly loves Jaws three D.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: So those are our two composers.
Speaker 3: But in Goonies we also have a lot of pop
music that's coming into play. We've got Ario Speedwagon, We've
got the Bengals and the big song from Cindy Lapper herself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Steven Spielberg put her kind of in charge of
gathering the talent for the soundtrack.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now I will say this, I did own this soundtrack.
I did like that sineut Lapper song. Yeah, re listening though, Man,
I just typically for me eighty it doesn't matter eighties music.
I love. It doesn't matter. I don't care. It's been
really did an age very well for me.
Speaker 2: The video.
Speaker 4: The video stinks. It's got Captain Lou Albano and Roddy
Roddy Piper, the run around the goony sets and her
overacting is atrocious.
Speaker 3: It is kind of I listened to you listen listen
watching it just a bit ago, and I was just like,
oh my gosh, Cindy, just tone it downloadle girl, don't
chew the scenery so much.
Speaker 2: But I heard, and I haven't.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch it, but I heard that the part
of Sloth is played by Andre renee Russamov.
Speaker 4: You know that, and Andrea the Giant.
Speaker 3: Andre the Giant, you got it. I don't know if
that's true or not, but yeah.
Speaker 2: That's what I heard. Interesting, okay. On this soundtrack. There's
a couple of notable things on this soundtrack.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 4: So there's a song by Philip Bailey, who had a
big hit with Phil Collins in the summer of nineteen
eighty five.
Speaker 3: I love that song that was on my list that
Unfortunately it got eliminated off the list.
Speaker 4: Bazil ever was on my list as.
Speaker 3: Well because we had said, hey, we're not going to
do any of the Phil Collins Snowjacker required or the
Genesis songs from eighty five, but that was separate.
Speaker 2: It was technically a Bailey. It was Philip Bailey. It's
Philip Bailey song with Phil Collins, although I didn't even
remember that. Somebody else sang the sings.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, Michael Jackson, will you go be a
part of my paranoid video and song?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, that's the only part people remember. Right.
Speaker 4: So Philip Bailey performs a song written by.
Speaker 2: Richard Marx oh nice.
Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty five, which is pre everything Richard Mars.
Speaker 3: We know, right, So the there's you mentioned something to
me and it had to do with one of the
songs and I there's a deleted scene. Okay, yes, so
just just talking about the setup of this movie.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: They filmed most of the Goonies in Astoria, Organ Organ
but they the pirate ship was on like Stage nine
of the Warner Brothers studios.
Speaker 2: Right, It's huge. It's a real pirate ship, like they
built it they built it. They built the whole pirate ship,
and all of the action takes place on this pirate ship.
I think it was modeled after a pirate ship in
an Aero Flynn movie. I think the same one where
he slides down the sale with the knife. Okay, but
they had the kids not look at the ship.
Speaker 3: They didn't get to see the ship until until they
slid down the water slide part. You know, another cool
perfect kid movie special effect, because who didn't love water
slides back in nineteen eighty five. And so anyway, whenever
they came down, they filmed them to get their true,
real first reaction, which was apparently just as impressive as
they wanted to be, except that Josh Brolin said, and
they're like caught. Damn it, Josh, Okay, let's do it again.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you this too. I watched the commentary. Yeah,
Corey Feldman admitted, with Donner present. Yeah, I snuck in
and I saw it. Oh, and you could hear the
disappointment in Donner's voice. Oh no, because that's the thing
is that they kept it from the kids because they
wanted their genuine reaction. And then, of course, you know,
Feldman had snuck around and took a peek.
Speaker 2: So anyway back to that scene, there is a deleted.
Speaker 4: Scene, very famous deleted scene.
Speaker 3: So now if you've seen, if you remember the end
of the movie, Data is talking to the reporters and
he's he's describing what's going on and he's like, oh,
and the octopus is attack and all this, And as
I saw that, I was like, why is he like,
is this just supposed to be Like we're confused on
whether the kids are making this up or is this
just to be supposed to be some sort of kid
behavior that you know, they just embellish everything, even the
most amazing adventure anyone's ever had.
Speaker 2: But as it turns out, there.
Speaker 3: Was actually an octopus scene in the movie. As they've
come down the water slide. They're in the water making
their way towards the ship and there's a giant monster
octopus in there. It keeps touching Steph's legs.
Speaker 4: She thinks it's mouth yeah, and she's lugging her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she quitted it and he's like, I don't
know what you're talking about, and then it like really
touches her. She turns around and slaps him. And then
when she's bawling him out. Then like the head comes
up and you see these really terrible eyes. It was
not a good not a good effect. But they go down,
you know, and they have an underwater fight scene with it.
And part of the underwater fight scene is there's a
tape like in a tape player that they shove in
the mouth of the octopus.
Speaker 4: That's how they defeat the octopus.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you have a story on what the song
is there, because I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: So the song is called eight Arms to Hold You.
Obviously that has to do with the octopus, right right, Yes,
And if you don't have the octopus, you can't really
play the song eight Arms to Hold You, right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And Data it's his walkman, which is you know, obviously
a blast from the past, right, and he shoves it
in the beak of the octopus, and that's how they
defeat the octopus. That song is actually pretty good.
Speaker 2: Okay. The producers got some like studio musicians to just
kind of make this song.
Speaker 4: Okay, But here's the here's the trivia question I have.
So they cut that that whole scene, yeah, because they
decided it didn't look good.
Speaker 2: It delays it, and it does look terrible.
Speaker 4: It looks it looks like an amusement park, right like.
It kind of moves, it jerkily moves.
Speaker 3: Through the Not that every special effect in this movie
was flawless, but that one was really cheesy.
Speaker 4: I tell you this. I want to talk about the
warts of both of these movies here in a second.
The producers of the and the director of the Goonies
had the good vision to say, it's not working. Let's
get it out of there, right, okay, even though they
spend a bunch of money on it. Yeah, So a
couple of couple of trivia questions for you on this, okay.
So number one, when the Disney Channel showed The Goonies
way back when they cut out all the objectionable stuff.
Speaker 3: Right right, cuss words and cuss words and staring at
the panties and stuff stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And so it shranked the movie so much that they
had to fill that gap, and they filled that gap
with the octopus scene. So there is a generation who
when they watched The Goonies, the octopus scene was just
a part of their movie watching experience.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, no, I that was not me.
Speaker 4: Right, I didn't see it either I.
Speaker 3: Saw it in the theater and I probably saw it
on like cable, like on hptail or something, Showtime or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think I was aware of that octopus scene through
like Mad magazine or something like. I kind of knew
about it, right, And of course I like that song.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now here's my trivia question for you.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: The Beatles had a movie that was later called Help.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: The working title of that movie, yes, eight arms to
hold you?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of the Beatles, yes, what did the boyfriend
Octopus say to the girlfriend Octopus?
Speaker 2: But I want to hold your hand? Hand hand hand, hand,
hand hand.
Speaker 4: Okay? Awesome.
Speaker 3: That was from a joke book from when I was
like seven years old. Again, I believe that came together
forty two years later.
Speaker 4: We're not above dad jokes on this podcast.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 4: I want to talk about another scene that was deleted
from The Goonies.
Speaker 3: Okay, is it the convenience store scene where we see
brand for the first time.
Speaker 4: That is not the scene I was going to talk about.
We can talk about that scene if you want to.
Speaker 2: No, it's fine. I mean, they're yeah.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a redundant thing where they run into
troy A in a convenience store and he's he's going
to beat up the little guys and brand stops him
and says, nobody hits my brother, but me right, we
don't really need it, and it just slows everything down, right.
But there was another scene that was filmed. There are
pictures of this, like stills, but the film does not exist.
It's been lost to the hands of time whatever, right,
but you can kind of maybe there's some reference to
it anyway. It's when they're underneath and they're they're pushing
the pipes.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, when they see there's ridiculous stuff.
Speaker 4: Going on like those three stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: The water fountain is going up and down and stuff. Yes, yes,
is they're screaming let me out, let me out.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: But during that scene that was supposed to cause all
these gorillas to get loose from the zoo.
Speaker 2: Oh the gorillas, right, yes, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: And like then they had like gorillas driving cars and
just totally ridiculous.
Speaker 3: This was this was Spielberg's motorcycle on the China Wall
into the Lost World, like he was obsessed about having
this scene in there, and Dick Donner was like Steve,
you love this so much, I really think you should
fill all of those scenes. And they were all filmed right,
Like there's you know, car crashing into a boat, that
the gorillas, they steal red stuff, they steal red golf cart,
they steal Troy's red car. I mean, it's just it's
a comedy silliness like Abbott and Costello. That fortunately, Yeah,
that was along with the Octopus a wise cut.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was a wise cut.
Speaker 3: So on that note, just the direction of the movie.
You know, Dick Donner directed it, but Sean Aston in
his book There and Back Again called it a co
direction of those two. Like Spielberg was directing at least
half of the movie and Dick Donner was directing the
other half.
Speaker 4: Makes sense. Sure they're two masters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's pretty seamless.
Speaker 4: Well, and Spielberg has a habit of stepping in on
his production. I mean Poltergeist, Toby Hooper is listed as
the director, right at all, Right, I'm pretty sure Spielberg
directed most of that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, Okay, so tho. You know, we talked
about the deleted scenes from Goonyes. Let's talk about the
deleted scenes from Temple of Doom.
Speaker 2: I think that somebody believes the good luck Crock from
this village is one of the last on Carrastones Fortune
and Glory, Kid, Fortune and Glory.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So I don't know if you know this,
but like this movie is very much a remake of Gungaden.
Like that, it's almost it's almost a beat by beat
recreation of Gungaden. Now, when we listen to Steven Spielberg,
we're both listening to the commentary or the behind the
scenes at the same time. Spielberg says it was a
direct homage, which is what you say, instead of copy
of Gungaden. But there it's almost a spot on match.
But the scene, I mean, if you watch it, there's
the they have the big group of turbine wearing people
who are all seem to be revering this big statue.
You know, very similar stuff. But you've got this. You
got this part in the movie where Short Round or
Short Round, he's like, I love you and he doesn't,
you know, he doesn't want to do this, but he
burns Indy and that wakes him up right. Well, there's
a scene right before that where he's down there with
the rest of the slave kids, right, and he sees
a guard catch on fire somehow. I don't know what
causes the fire, but when the guard catches on fire,
he snaps out of the spell and he becomes nice again, right, okay,
And so he's like, that's how, that's how he knows
that the fire is secured to the problem, right. And
then of course after that scene, they are able to
free you know, you have the big fight scene with
pat Roach again, and then they're able to free all
of the kids.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, those kids, I mean, they weren't just chained
like they they're captive inside of that cave. So what
they do is they build a bridge across that canyon
for them to run across. But then obviously short round,
Indy and Willy are all left behind. What happens is
the bridge catches on fire and like the last kid
makes it across, but then they're stuck there, which is
why they have to use the.
Speaker 3: The carts to get out when they could have easily.
I mean, all the kids get out, right, and they
don't have to go through those tunnels.
Speaker 2: They that's makes sense, now, Okay, I'll get out.
Speaker 4: And that's a question that I've never really even asked myself, like,
Indie Short, Round and Willy barely escape with their lives,
but also the children kind of make it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the kids make it out by going through
the front door, but somehow they have to go out
through the back exit, which is a hole in the
side of a sheer cliff.
Speaker 4: We didn't need all that, you know, we didn't need
all that stuff, So I'm glad that they cut that
and the goonies too.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The other cut scene was where Willy, like she almost
makes it out and she comes in contact with the
Prime Minister and she starts explaining how the things, you know,
this is all all going on, and that's when we
realize that the Prime Minister is in on it with
everybody else, and that's how she's back captive again.
Speaker 2: But they just cut all that out.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's fine, fine, Yeah, just streamline the action for
us and let's have a good time.
Speaker 2: Wise cuts.
Speaker 4: Yes, Now, I will say that there's some ridiculousness that
made it in both movies that I want to talk
about with you, But I just kind of want to
go down some of these scenes because I really want
your opinion. Let's flip back to Temple of Doom for
just a second.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're on Temple to Doom.
Speaker 4: But okay, let's stay on.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: The opening scene, yes, where Harrison Ford in a tuxedo
looks like Sean Connery and Goldfinger and pose. Yes, it's
absolutely on purpose. And he's in Shanghai and he's there
to exchange the remains of Narachi, yes for the diamond.
Speaker 2: Yes. Okay.
Speaker 4: Now, then that diamond is called.
Speaker 2: The Peacocks I okay.
Speaker 4: Which is investigated further in one of the young Indiana
Jones chronicles that I've never seen.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: I can't speak to it, but apparently that does make
its way into other Indiana Jones entertainment.
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting this.
Speaker 3: I knew that Marvel had done some comic books with this.
They had done Raiders, and then they did with this
one as well, and one of the covers. I mean,
it's freaking awesome. I would love to have this comic book.
It looks like it could have been the movie poster,
it's so good.
Speaker 2: But they did.
Speaker 3: They've done some other Indiana Jones adventures that are were
never movies.
Speaker 2: If you you know, hey fans, if you have that
comic book.
Speaker 3: We would love to take a look and just know
what the storyline is, because I would, I mean further
Indiana Jones Adventures to count me in, right, yeah, one
hundred percent.
Speaker 4: What did you think about the opening scene? The diamond,
the lazy Susan, the crime boss, the ice, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought it was unnecessary.
Speaker 3: I mean it just really all it is is how
we get in contact with you know, how Willie meets
up and gets tied up with Indy and that's it,
you know. And I don't know why, like George Lucas
wanted this big busby Berkeley style musical to intro the movie.
I don't know why, but I guess, I mean, I
guess those were the movies that they grew up with,
and I could totally I would pay homage to some other,
you know, director from the eighties if I was making
a movie, I would definitely do that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean the song was fine and it
was just yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, so let let's talk about that for a second.
I told you trivia question the other day. Okay, one
of the dancing girls, right, yeah, one of the dancing girls.
This is for deaf Dave and Jeff Johnson because they're
such big fans.
Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody knows who she is.
Speaker 4: She's number one on everybody's hit list right now. It's
Kathleen Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who was a force to be reckoned with for
many years and did many great things. It's just that
everything seems to have fallen part now that she's head
of Disney.
Speaker 4: That's right. So Kathleen Kennedy is one of the dancing
girls in Anything Goes Opener.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Side note on that Kate Capshaw had trained, because she's
not a dancer, had trained for weeks and weeks to
get the choreography right on this thing. And when they
gave her the dress, which was made from like real
jewels and gems and other stuff from the nineteen thirties,
it was so tight that she couldn't do any of
the choreography, which is why you don't see her dancing
around with the other girls.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: The other little known thing is this was the second
time the dress was used in the movie, even though
it was the first time you see it. It was
the second time they used it in filming. The first
time they used it in filming, it was hanging when
they were out in the wilderness with the elephant, and
you know, ultimately the snake it was hanging up to
be dried. Right Well, they didn't realize it, but the
elephant was eating these jewels and gems from the nineteen
thirties eight eight the back of the dress like significantly
to where you.
Speaker 2: Won't see it. You won't see it in the opening scene.
Speaker 3: Because they had to quick redo everything because it had
ruined the dress, and they had to do an insurance
claim on this, and some you know, some poor props
guy had to write on the insurance claim form elepant
by an elephant.
Speaker 4: I mean, what else do you say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk to you about this because I
love this opening scene. Okay, I don't love anything goes
and the dancing girls. I could do without that. I
think it's I think that is Steven Spielberg just kind
of flexing his muscles a little bit. Yeah, and pay
you homage to some earlier stuff.
Speaker 3: At that point, he had just said I always wanted
to do a musical number and this was a great opportunity.
Obviously he went on more recently direct West Side Story, Right, So.
Speaker 4: But I love Indy and a tuxedo. Yes, I love
the lazy Susan. I think that it's tense right there. Yeah,
and you know, it's the diamond, it's the it's the
remains of Narachi, the antidote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the drink, the drink.
Speaker 3: It's all very careful, like you can see the the
clockwork happening.
Speaker 4: It's so and it's and then all of a sudden
boom out of out your left hand corner. It's Indy's
Chinese buddy who's got a gun and good service around here,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what was his name, Wuhan, Wuhan, Wuhan, Yes,
wonder where he was from. I don't know that he
expired before the disease happened, I guess, But.
Speaker 4: I do love the scene where India is on the
ground trying to get the antidote. Willie's looking for the diamond.
They spill the ice, and then all the while the
Chinese mob is trying to kill him with machine guns.
You got falling balloon, you got the dancing girls, and
then the rolling gong when he is, you know, hiding
behind the rolling gong. I thought all of that was
super exciting and very very raiders esque, you know, very
Indie worthy. Now, when they fall out of the window
and they land with short round, Indy is blasting his
gun and then he hands it to Willie who it's hot,
and she drops the gun that pissed me off in
nineteen eighty four and it still bothers me. He goes
basically the entire movie without his gun, which was a
problem for me.
Speaker 2: Okay, so.
Speaker 4: Now we have made mention that he does run into
dan Aykroyd, who guides him onto an airplane owned by Laucha.
Right now, we did find out why dan Ackroyd was
in this movie. It's because he was repaying the favor
where Steven Spielberg actually does a cameo in the Blues Brothers.
Speaker 2: How about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like eating a sandwich, like the place is closed.
Speaker 4: It says something like be back in five minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like trying to not let him in. I
can't remember what the emergency was, but they needed to
be in there, and he was just like a slow
clerk at this place.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So, and he takes the airplane up and they're flying.
You're doing kind of the map thing again. Yes, we
know it's owned by the crime Lord Lauche the pilot's
bail out, and now our heroes are in trouble, and
so they inflate a air raft and use it like
a parachute and they fall and nobody gets hurt.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm making this up as I go,
so you're not buying that.
Speaker 4: I don't like that at all.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing I would really love to know,
because it's it's a continuous shot, like you see it
come out of the plane and you see the continuous
shot and literally, I'm not kidding. As we were watching this,
my kids said, can they really do that? And I'm like, well,
they didn't have CGI back then. Now, of course you
get some of those other scenes with like the guy's
heart getting taken out or the guys falling to their death,
you know, with the crocodiles. And then they're like, well
was that CGI, dad? And I'm like, well, no, but
that was a green screen, so you know no. But
but I mean, if you watched that scene.
Speaker 2: It really looks like they pulled it off. Like I
don't know how.
Speaker 3: I don't know how high up or how low more precisely,
the plane would have to be. But if you know
that you're going to land on relatively soft snow and
that the raft has some certain amount of wind resistance.
Speaker 2: I really you know you.
Speaker 3: We talked on our last episode about the MIT guys
who had done the bridge cutting physics and how everybody
would have probably died when they hit the wall from
the swing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would approach those guys and go, Okay, guys, what
what about the what about the raft falling from the plane?
Speaker 4: Would that work if you if you wanted to step
out this window right here, uh huh and jump out
with a raft?
Speaker 2: See, it doesn't have enough time to inflate though.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Okay, there is snow on the ground right now, so
it might work. But you also got the incline because
it's not like a hit and stop, it's a hit
and slide.
Speaker 4: Okay, it might work. I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2: Well, I thought it was a good effect.
Speaker 4: Okay, So they drift into basically they land in the mountains,
and they land, they slide down a mountain and end
up in India.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, there's some.
Speaker 4: Geography questions here. So another scene I want to talk
to you about, Okay, the chilled monkey brains snake Surprise yes,
that whole thing. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: Oh? I love it? Do you? Oh? Yeah, I absolutely
love it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean it was it grossed me out and
it's but I mean it's it's great comedy. It's probably
you know, maybe offensive to people who actually like good
Indian food.
Speaker 2: And I love good Indian food. But I mean, really,
I mean, do they eat chilled monkey brains in India?
Do they eat living snakes? I don't think so, right,
But it's just kind of fun.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean in some cultures, maybe not the
Indian culture, but they eat you know, I've seen Japanese
people eating octopus that it's still alive and like trying
to hold on as it's good getting swallowed. So it's
not that far off of something that could have happened
back in the nineteen thirties India.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bugs, STEVENS.
Speaker 4: Bilberg said, inside those rubber bugs. Yeah, it was custard. Yeah,
so no big deal for people to write slurp the custard.
That scene was used in place of a like a
tiger hunt thing that they had planned.
Speaker 3: Okay, good call on that one, you think so, yeah,
Because like I think people would have been a I mean,
even in the nineteen eighties there was a big cruelty
to animals thing going on. I don't think anybody would
have been behind a let's have the hero hunt a tiger.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: The other great part about the dinner scene is the
reaction of Willie and Short Round. I mean, I thought
it was comedy. It give me your hat, yeah, right,
and he drops the piece of candy out of his
mouth as he's watching what's going on?
Speaker 2: Yes, I thought it was I thought it was funny.
Speaker 4: Actually, there's another scene or another conversation at that dinner
table where there Indy insults the Prime Minister and he's like,
weren't you in trouble for grave robbing doctor Jones? And
he's like, I seem to remember them cutting off your hands,
possibly as a punishment. He's like, no, no, it wasn't
It wasn't my hands.
Speaker 2: Right, it was, and miss it was my misunderstand.
Speaker 4: That was funny as well, Right, So that scene I
think I think had some merit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What about when Willie and Indie and Short Round and
they go back and they find the hidden cavern in
her bedroom?
Speaker 2: Yes, which hands on the boots I'm right here.
Speaker 4: Which I wanted to just bring this up real quick
before we move on to that Indy was about to
have Willy Scott Nine Ways to Sunday. Yes, I'm not
so sure that Willie Scott is not underappreciated as an
indie girl. Okay, I'm I'm not so sure that Marian.
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg appreciated her exactly.
Speaker 4: Everybody I talked to always puts Marian in the number
one spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not so sure.
Speaker 3: Willie, Well, Marian was tough and girl next door. Willie
is a high maintenance screamer and you know true damsel
in distress, and Elsa is a Nazi sympathizer. So it's
you know, it sounds like Marian wins.
Speaker 4: Marian also has alcohol problems.
Speaker 2: Well, you called the problems and.
Speaker 4: Domestic violence problems. What do you think about the scene.
What do you think about the scene where Indian short
round get trapped into this room where spikes and the
ceilings lowering, their going to get crushed and stabbed. Yes,
and Willie's got to make her way through these bugs
to release them, and the whole time they're going let
us out.
Speaker 2: She's like us fantastic filmmaking. I loved it.
Speaker 4: It's a good scene.
Speaker 2: It's great. Yeah, the tension that's building, the comedy.
Speaker 3: We are going to die, the spike going through his hat,
and then the beauty is once she gets in, she
sets off the trap herself. Now I was watching this
is a this is an interesting thing that happened a
month or two ago. I was down visiting my brother
and he's like, you know, best intro scene in a
movie and he gives I don't remember which the movie,
what movie he gives me, but I was like, okay,
probably number one. Number one is Dark Knight, the bank
robbery scene. I would say, probably the best opening scene.
And then I said my number two has to be
Raiders of Lost Dark fantastic opening scene, right. And as
we're watching it's he's like, I can remember watching this
with mom in the theater and he has to grab
his hat at the last minute, and it's not his.
Speaker 2: Hat, it's his whip. It's his whip. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, then fast forward a few weeks I'm watching Temple
of Doom. That scene happens where she sets off the
trap again. They have to dive under the closing door
before they actually do get.
Speaker 2: Spiked, and it's his hat that time. Love it, Yeah,
I love it.
Speaker 4: That seems great. And in fact, the look on his
face when she finally releases the lever, he is so
pissed at her, and then he doesn't even have time
to address it before she sets off the trap again.
Exactly by the way Kate Capshaw had to take valume
when they covered her with all of these bugs.
Speaker 2: That was legit.
Speaker 4: They covered her with tons of bugs.
Speaker 3: Well, she kind of did that scene because she had
refused to do a similar snake type scene where she
was covered with snakes. She was like, I guess I
didn't really read the sides on the script or whatever.
I wasn't looking closely, but she couldn't handle the snakes.
And then I like that scene where the elephant keeps
bothering her as they're kind of camped out and with
the trunk, and then she grabs that.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a real snake.
Speaker 3: She grabs that thing and flings it, and I was like, dang, girl,
I wouldn't have guessed you scared of snakes.
Speaker 2: But she did a heck of a job with it.
Was good.
Speaker 4: It was good. All right, let's talk about the human
sacrifice Slash Black death thing. Okay, Yes, how's that scene
work for you? As far as the reaching in pulling
out the heart, the heart's on fire and the guy
is still alive.
Speaker 3: All that stuff iconic, very memorable, scary, I mean a
little bit I was. I don't remember being like terrified
at that, Okay, I just kind of think it.
Speaker 2: Thought it was cool, I guess. Yeah, when I was
nine ten years old.
Speaker 4: I liked the effect of when he pulls the heart
out it catches fire. Yes, I thought that was like,
this guy is next to Dartha. This guy is as
scary as they come.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, great bad was awesome? Okay, So that actually
brings me to something. I'm gonna interrupt your scene comparison
and I'm gonna grab my phone because I found something
that that you're gonna love. Ok Okay, okay, So disclaimer,
this is off of a Reddit page, so somebody could
completely be making this up. But what I read it,
it does seems to be accurate.
Speaker 2: Okay. In the sacrifice scene, right agar KHOI hi to
mehu bacho if anyone's there, save me? Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 3: And he's like kum kumah hey bacho, somebody somebody saved me.
And then he starts chanting, I'm na shivah yah, I'm
not sivaya, I'm not siva ya.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is shiva hin. Do God protect me? Right?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Then Mola Ram is saying bi out ou gay you
will be sacrificed. Then he says Bali mangti kalim that
is mother Kali desire, desires, an offering, and then mukti
diggi khalima, mother Kali will bring salvation Kalima, mother Kali.
And then he repeats it, you know, three times. And
when he's holding up this, when he's holding up the heart,
he says, Bali chadu traga, I offer this sacrifice before you,
and he says abiski John Mary Muti man hi. Now
his life is in my hands. Okay, it's all of
that scene, right, But what I wanted to bring to
you was the question that you posed in our last episode. Yes,
that your Chinese friends did not know what they were speaking, right,
That's what was the reason that they gave.
Speaker 2: They either spoke Mandarin or Cantonese and they suspected that
that was in the other language, whatever it was.
Speaker 3: Right, So what's interesting on this note, because we know
that what Indy says to short Round is Choo chi
la tousn right, Yes, that's right. And in the parentheses
on this translation it goes Mandarin and Cantonese. So maybe
it's like this mixture. Uh so Chao they think is
Shorty's real name. That's the first word, Choo is Shorty's
real name. And then she allows Hoo's son hold on
tell her.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there you go.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. Okay, very good. I will tell you I
talked to another Chinese guy at my church because I
played it for him as well. Yeah, okay, this is
the past Sunday and he said, you know how when
Chinese people speak English, they can't really I can't really
understand them. Yes, because it works both ways.
Speaker 2: Right, that makes sense? That makes sense? Yes, okay.
Speaker 4: Finally, the last scene I want to bring to your
attention is the mine cart scene. How do you feel
about that scene? The mine cart into the bridge?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't make any sense, it's ridiculous, that
defies the law of physics. But for a nineteen eighty
five movie when I'm ten years old, it's thrill ride.
Speaker 4: Absolutely love yeah, it's like a roller coaster in the
middle of the movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Ben Burt, who did the sound
on this, he got the sound from a roller coaster
at Disneyland.
Speaker 4: Oh beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, love it.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so that's Teblo doom. Yes, let's flip over
to Goonies. I want to talk about some scenes and
Goonies with you, okay.
Speaker 2: Real quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in the middle of this thing. We're in
the middle of the episode and we have not yet
mentioned this. I mean Indiana Jones. We've got five movies, right,
five and Goonies, which I mean a fantastic treasure Hunt
movie that everybody loved, did really well.
Speaker 2: No sequels.
Speaker 4: Or is that?
Speaker 3: Until now, within this last week, they have made an
official announcement that there will be a Goonies sequel. Now
I've heard, you know, I've heard Chris Columbus talk about
this many times, like I would want to be a
part of it because these are my babies. And obviously
he knows what he's doing, he knows how to write kids.
But how do you how do you make a movie?
I mean, those guys are now in their.
Speaker 4: Fifties, right, right, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: And so how do you make a movie with those
fifty year old guys that also appeals to the kids, Like,
how does how does that all work out? I don't know,
but I'm excited. I'm excited for the possibilities.
Speaker 4: I will tell you this. I was super excited when
you sent that to him. I'm like, oh, yes, finally
Goony sequel. That's fantastic.
Speaker 3: I mean, I see stuff pup on my phone all
the time and I'm like, yeah, okay, We've been hearing
that for years, but.
Speaker 2: This was like on it, like official. It was like,
good morning America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been just just to temper our expectations. You
and I have discussed the possibility of Danny Glover and
Mel Gibson making another lethal weapon movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and Dick Donner was on board with
that until he just passed away a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: And we just released our Young Guns Versus Tombstone.
Speaker 3: Oh right, and we talked about in there that hey,
there was going to be it was supposed to be
the next year.
Speaker 2: And that was like three years ago, right, so you
never know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, a couple of scenes I want to talk
to you about in The Goonies. Ok yeah, look, how's that?
Speaker 2: How's that?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: You idiot?
Speaker 4: Up down?
Speaker 2: If God meant to do it that way, it'll be
pissing in your faces.
Speaker 4: Obviously we talked about the truffle shuffle. I think Jeff
Cohen was embarrassed to do that. They cleared the set
for him, and it is literally the most iconic scene
it is.
Speaker 3: It is very iconic, which it's kind of funny to me.
I mean, they clear the set for when frequently when
women or men have to get naked in a movie, right,
but you're capturing that moment on film for thousands and
thousands of people to watch. Does it really matter if
the guy holding the boomstick is still there?
Speaker 2: I mean really not really?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Okay, By the way, I just had a thought. It
has been said and I've read and I've heard, and
I agree with the fact that The Goonies is essentially
a Raiders type adventure for children.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Yeah?
Speaker 4: Would it be fair to say that both of these
movies the heroes are after Willie's treasure? Oh?
Speaker 2: What very funny.
Speaker 4: Anyway, Okay, I did want to mention I came across
a cool little trivia nugget on when they find the
body of Chester copper Pot. Yeah, okay, they find the
key which allows them to continue on their adventure at
some later point, righty, I.
Speaker 3: Mean this is this is so much the first scene
of Raiders of the Lost Dark, where you've got all
of these booby traps, booty traps, booty traps.
Speaker 4: What I said, I said it booby hey booty trap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chester Copper Pot has been crushed by a rock.
I don't remember who they were, who the first guy
into the cave was, but obviously he had the spikes
go through him, right, verifying scene.
Speaker 4: Forestal, Yes, yes, But when Mikey is looking through his wallet, yeah,
he comes across his driver's license, which says Chester Copper Pot.
But he also pulls out a baseball card.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That baseball card is a Lugarrett card worth two hundred
and seventy five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're back in eighty five.
Speaker 4: Well, I think right now that card would be worth
two hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 2: Thous Okay, and what happens to the baseball card?
Speaker 4: I wonder if that was enough to save the goon
docs right at that moment, you know.
Speaker 2: If a handful of little jewels was enough. Yeah, okay,
So for me.
Speaker 4: The Goonies is awesome. I think there's real menace, there's
real danger. The fertilities are silly, but they're capable of
killing them.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have an actual dead guy at
the beginning to let you know these guys are not
just a bunch of buffoons. They do actually kill people, right.
Speaker 4: One eyed Willie spend a lot of time setting up
bone organs and.
Speaker 2: Booby traps where he has his jewels, and then manages
to go sit down at the table with all of
his buddies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the story is is that he killed
all of them except for one of them, who is
skaed away. He's the one that brought the story to
everybody else, right right. And then, of course you have
the treasure Map, which just happens to be in the
Goonies attic.
Speaker 2: I know, you know, whatever rich stuff, you gotta put
it somewhere. Hey, come home, give me a kissed. But
did you know that Sean Aston got to keep the
treasure map?
Speaker 4: Did hear this?
Speaker 3: And Patty Duke, his mother, thought it was just a
random piece of track paper and threw it away. No,
even if your mom is a famous actress, she's still
a mom.
Speaker 4: I think everybody's mom has thrown away something valuable to
them at some point in their life.
Speaker 3: You threw away my Luke Garrett cart.
Speaker 4: That's a huge valuable movie prop that has gone because
she thought it was nothing.
Speaker 3: Right, speaking of movie props, the ship they offered it up,
nobody took it.
Speaker 4: This crushes me to here. Yes, they could not give
it away.
Speaker 2: To anybody I know.
Speaker 3: Like, I guess they had some riggings on there, like
just small parts that they used in the Pirates of
the Caribbean ride at Disneyland. Full circle there, right, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that amazing ship and it's gone crazy.
Speaker 4: Okay, I've got some That's all I really wanted to speak.
Speaker 2: I got some trivia for you now, okay.
Speaker 4: All right, so I got some trivia for you on
the Goony So let's start there.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you.
Speaker 4: Know who visited the set of the Goonies?
Speaker 2: Oh? Gosh, I knew this, but I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Tell me, Okay, So number one Harrison Ford visited the set.
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic y. Yeah, And in.
Speaker 4: Fact, he brought an Indiana Jones hat that Robert Dovey
wears the entire movie o his hat.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, okay, yeah, no, I could see that rights sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So think about this movie in nineteen eighty four,
who would you most want to see on your set?
I mean, Harrison Ford's.
Speaker 2: Up that little for sure up there. Yeah, but maybe
number one Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson came to the Jackson
visited the Goony set. Wow, Okay, yes, And of course
he and Corey Feldman developed a relationship, right. They ended
up getting tickets to the Victory Tour, which was a
hugely hot ticket. Right.
Speaker 4: Sure, they all went and saw Michael Jackson at Dodger Stadium,
and I remember at the time they were like they
looked around and they're like, our seats were better than
Ricky Schroeder's.
Speaker 2: Silver Spoon's reference there. That's great.
Speaker 4: Yes, But here's the nugget that really found heartwarming that
I wanted to talk to you about.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: So, Patty Duke John Aston were going through a divorce
at the time that the movie was released, and they're
watching their son on the screen in his big theater debut,
even though they were getting divorced, they held hands and
cried throughout the entire movie. They knew that he had
attached himself to an absolute home run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he does a great job.
Speaker 4: He does a great job.
Speaker 3: Every I mean every other character in the movie, and
maybe appropriately so is overacting their part a little bit, right. Sure,
Junk is overacting the fat kid, but it makes it
a little bit funnier. And Data is over acting the
nerdy Chinese inventor, but it makes it funny. Yes, mouth
same thing. But Sean Aston plays it real and straight
and heartfelt.
Speaker 2: And it's absolutely.
Speaker 3: What his character as the every man or every kid
character needed, because and I say every kid, what kid?
I mean since Pirates existed, what kid has not secretly
dreamed of finding a pirate treasure map.
Speaker 2: Where X marks the spot. That's so great, man X never.
Speaker 4: Marks the spot, as we know from Indiana Jones. Right
by the way, that's Richard Donner on like the four
wheeler that pulls up at the very end that like
finds the kids. Ok there's a little cameo there.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I got just a couple of tidbits
for you on Raiders of lost Ark. Okay, just a
couple of tidbits for you on Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Dim Okay. Okay, so originally it was called
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Death. For whatever reason,
they changed it to Indiana a Little Dark in the
Temple of Doom. Right now, then, do you know who
made an appearance on set at Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Doom.
Speaker 2: Corey Felpon.
Speaker 4: No, that's a good guess though, Okay.
Speaker 2: Carrie Fisher Okay, who is, of course Princess among many
other things.
Speaker 4: But yes, and of course she and Harrison Ford had
a off screen trist romance. Yes, yes, on screen as well,
but off screen. Right, But on that day that she
visited the set, it was when he was being punished.
He was being whipped, right, So he's chained up and
they lead in Barbara streisand give her a whip, and
of course Harrison Ford is tied up and she's whipping him, going,
that's for Star Wars, that's for Hanover Street.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 2: Yes, Barbara Streis, Yes, it's random. Yeah, you can see it,
go look it up on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Carrie Fisher, yeah, she's the end of the
Blues Brothers. By the way, Yes, you usually I forget
that part, right, but I did until you just said it.
I was like, oh, yeah, well there you go. Spielberg,
I don't know if he knew her from, probably from Star.
Speaker 4: Wars, but Streisand is whipping him and Carrie Fisher like
stands in the way. He's like, no, please, don't go.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: So kind of a goofy little thing there. And then
finally just a little heartwarming tidbit from Indian Jones and
the template doom. Yeah, while they were staying at their
hotel in Sri Lanka, h Harrison Ford taught Key Hugh
Quon how to swim.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, taught him out a swim. You sent me
a video of Key Kikwan. On the other Drew Drew
Barrymore Drew Barrymore show, and now they I mean she
had she had just finished et when they started doing Goonies, right,
and so there were awards being given out that they
were both part of the ceremonies on okay, and so
they hung out, like Steven Spielberg introduced them, and not
only did they hang out at the awards show, but
like they went to the zoo together like little kids do,
and he on the show, confessed to her that he
had this huge crush on her or whenever, and then.
Speaker 2: She was like, I also had a crush on yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's sweet. That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. Okay.
Speaker 3: So one thing I want to mention, yes, okay, uh.
For the Goonies, this was the first appearance of wes
take Hashi as the animation supervisor. He was with ILM,
of course, but he's the animation supervisor for the Goonies,
so there's a lot of special effects that required animation.
He goes on to be the head supervisor at ILM
of all Animation later on, but and he's a guy
who's done a lot of effects. But one of the
one of the ones that struck me was he was
the one responsible for the animation effect for the DeLorean
when it would go back in time, which I was like, dude,
that is a fantastic effect, right yeah, because I mean,
you get I don't not even ever really thought about it,
but all that stuff that shoots out and blast in
front of the Dolorean, that's all just animation. Yeah, right,
nineteen eighty five, We're not doing that with computers, and
so that brings me to another point back in the future.
Nineteen eighty five poster by Drew Stusan.
Speaker 4: I love Drew Strusan.
Speaker 3: Also he did the Goonies, Yes he did. Also he
did Temple of Doom.
Speaker 4: Yes he did. You know what else he did in
nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 2: No, what else did he do?
Speaker 4: And Drew Strewsan did the poster for Better Off Dead,
Oh my gosh, which we'll be talking about here in
just a few weeks.
Speaker 2: Yes, Better Off Dead versus one crazy Summer.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3: Steve Savage Holland's John Cusack Savage.
Speaker 2: Steve Savage. Steve Holland is his first name. Seven.
Speaker 3: Oh no, now I know the story on this. Yes,
tune in for the episode and I will tell you
how Steve Holland got the nickname Savage. It is going
to be something we're tuning in for.
Speaker 2: Our promise.
Speaker 4: Everybody wants some trust me?
Speaker 1: Great?
Speaker 4: Okay, So one more yep, one more thing, yes.
Speaker 3: Since we've we made this the ki Kwan double feature. Yes, right,
I got one more trivia bit for Kikwan.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Before filming the movie Goonies, his mother made him promise
that he would not use any bad language, which is
why in the cave scene with the falling rocks he
screeneds ho s h, I d.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's it's so sweet. I mean, it's just such
a good movie.
Speaker 3: You know, he as a real human being seems to
just be that lovable kittie character even in his fifties.
Speaker 2: Now. I love his comeback story. It's amazing, it really is.
I still haven't seen Love Hurts, which just came out.
It's not getting Will Rolle really well rated, but I
don't know.
Speaker 3: It looked like a good action flick to me. I'd
love to see him doing you know, his taekwondo work
on screen and his fight choreography that he was specialized
in for twenty years. But I'm really excited about the
movie that's with Chris Pratt and Woody Harrelson and Millie
Bobby Brown.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see Data and Goonies two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that'd be Yeah, that'll be great. Okay, Okay,
are we to Final.
Speaker 4: Judgement to Final Judgment? Let's do this.
Speaker 2: This is tough. You go first.
Speaker 4: Okay. So here's the thing. I love both of these movies.
I grew up with both of these movies. I am
a staunch defender of both of these movies.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: When I watched Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom again,
there's a lot of lulls in it. For me, I
do think maybe this representation of Indiana Jones is my favorite.
He's so tough in this. He's bulked up and he's
I mean, just really tough guy. You know, we don't
see him cowering from snakes or anything like that. Just
everything he does is just super on point.
Speaker 2: Okay, now, I guess he does cower from a snake
that Willy throws at his feet once, but this is not.
Speaker 4: My favorite adventure of his.
Speaker 2: And I think it's fair to say both Raiders and
Last Crusade are better.
Speaker 4: Than this movie. Okay, Okay, I watch Goonies. I laugh
and enjoy that movie despite its silliness the entire way through.
And I showed this.
Speaker 2: To my daughter and it absolutely killed me. She thought
it was amazing. Yeah, and with that said, I have
to say I think Goonies is the better. Okay, it
is interesting. It's interesting that you say that.
Speaker 4: And especially me being a huge Indiana Jones guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the reason that we compared Back to
the Future to Raiders of the Lost Ark was because
Raiders of the Lost Dark is your favorite movie from
the eighties, and Back to the Future is my favorite
movie from the eighties, That's right, And so to hear
have you put it second to Goonies is surprising to me.
I actually thought we were going to be on the
same page in this one, but obviously we're not. Oh interesting, Okay,
So I agree. I defend both of these movies wholeheartedly.
They were both a major part of my growing up experience.
I got all the nostalgia for both of them, and
I was excited to rewatch both of them. We have
been talking about doing Indiana Jones and The Temple of
Doom for several years, and I was I had always
pushed the let's compare it to Superman three, as you know,
the worst of the trilogy, right right, and I had
always kind of had it in that mind my mind.
As you know, Raiders and Last Crusade are neck and neck,
and Temple of Doom is a distant third. When I
rewatched the Goonies, it still had all the nostalgia, but
like I said, the kids were really like over the
top in their acting, and it was kind of like, Okay,
you guys are hamming it up, just maybe a bit
too much, and some of the absurd.
Speaker 2: Scenes that we've already talked about. I was just like, okay,
this is it.
Speaker 4: Just to me, the Pirate Waterflat, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It did not age quite as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, But when I went back Temple of Doom, and
maybe it was because I had lower expectations, I was like, oh,
I forgot that, you know, Fortune and Glory was this movie, right,
I mean, that's the that's a huge line, and that
was Temple of Doom. And so I'm looking at that
intro scene and I'm like, ah, this is a bunch
of fun with a very James Bond esque style going on.
And then we go into these and again it's got
some it's got some stretches as far as you know
what can happen. But to me, it was more intense,
it was a little darker. It was kind of the
Empire strikes back to Raiders of the Lost Art, right,
and the darkness intrigued me.
Speaker 2: More In this one.
Speaker 3: I wasn't I didn't feel like people were hamming up
maybe Cape Capshaw a bit, but but for the most part.
I felt like there was a genuine delivery and the
adventure ride was just as good, just as good, if
not better than the other two in the trilogy. Yeah okay,
And so for that reason I got to say Temple
of Doom wins the.
Speaker 2: Day for me.
Speaker 4: Wo okay, love it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: I don't accept the idea that Temple of Doom is
this cousin that we need to forget about.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean that's that's how Spielberg and Lucas treated,
and I think it's unfair.
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And maybe it was because that was a dark period
of their lives and maybe that the memory is associated
with it. But to me, I was I was duly impressed.
Definitely worth coming back to again.
Speaker 4: That just goes to show that when you do this podcast,
that anything goes.
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Speaker 2: So you, guys, tell us what you think. Who wins
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Speaker 4: You know, I know, right, that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The next week, Yeah, we are covering an album from
nineteen eighty five, Okay that we both I think owned
and enjoyed. Okay, Heart, Oh yeah, the Wilson Sisters. Yeah,
back with a Vengeance after being dropped from their record label.
Speaker 3: Right, and we are comparing that to a Dire Straits album,
Brothers in Arms, which I had never listened to all
the way through until we decided to cover this album.
Speaker 2: And I am excited to.
Speaker 3: Talk about that band and Heart in comparison to each other,
those two two killer albums from.
Speaker 2: That time period.
Speaker 4: Come back next
Speaker 2: Week, check it out, see us then, thanks guys,