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David, Welcome to 32 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:32,039 Caatitude Mischell. 33 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 5: Great to be here, Thanks for having me. 34 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: I'm excited to have you on. First, I want to 35 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,199 say this, So you are a cellist. I mean I 36 00:02:41,199 --> 00:02:43,800 have no music talent at all, so I am always 37 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,000 in awe of people that can, you know, create music. 38 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:52,840 So you're a cellist. What made you decide to record 39 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:54,479 something for cats? 40 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 5: Well, it started when I was researching how music effects humans, 41 00:03:01,159 --> 00:03:02,960 and it took me a few years. But I took 42 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,960 a kind of a novel approach. I like kind of 43 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,759 took music apart, found the separable elements such as pulse. 44 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:14,759 Pulse is something that's found in the music of all cultures, 45 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,400 and I tried to figure out, so where would that 46 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,159 come from, why would we respond to that? And so 47 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,400 it took a few years to go through and try 48 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,280 to find plausible answers for each of them. But when 49 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:32,680 I was done, they basically came up two categories. One 50 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:37,240 based on vocalizations and for humans that's like the scream 51 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:44,840 or like oh, or affectionate vocalizations, the emotional vocalizations, and 52 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:48,840 then another category of sounds that we heard when we 53 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,639 were in the womb, like the pulse, the respiration, your 54 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:58,800 mother's voice. And so basically at that point I thought, okay, 55 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:02,840 I've got a the Any good theory is testable. So 56 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,199 I decided to write music for another animal. So basically, 57 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,919 if I had figured out the recipe if you will 58 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,479 for music, if I take the ingredients that are now 59 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:19,120 of course all designed for humans and replace them with 60 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,519 ingredients that were designed for another animal, I should be 61 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,439 able to write music it's effective for that animal. So 62 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:31,639 I first started with cotton top tamarin monkeys, and so 63 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,680 I composed music for them. They sent it off to 64 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,279 the University of Wisconsin, and they tested music compared with 65 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,480 controls with their monkeys, and it was effective. It was 66 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:46,240 the first music to be shown to be effective for 67 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:51,519 any animal other than humans. And that's when though, I thought, well, 68 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,519 not very many people have monkeys, So I tried cats. 69 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: Why cats besides instead of dogs? 70 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,319 Speaker 5: Well, uh, dogs are very different breeds. You know, cats 71 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:07,040 are basically pretty similar, the same size, the same you know, 72 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,800 might say interests. Dogs have been bred to be very 73 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,360 many different sizes and their attentions are very different, and 74 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:20,560 so I just thought it would be be more likely 75 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,519 to hit the target if I find one, excuse me, 76 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,839 one species that is consistent. And cats are much more 77 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,800 consistent across the breeds than. 78 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,759 Speaker 2: Dogs, right, I wonder if it has something to do that. 79 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,279 There's still some theories that say they're not quite domesticated. 80 00:05:37,319 --> 00:05:38,959 I mean, they are the ones that live in our house, 81 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,680 but they're still not as domesticated as dogs have been 82 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,199 over the. 83 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 5: I would totally agree with that. In fact, I look 84 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:48,879 at it the way cats found us, right, and they 85 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,079 come to us, But dogs, we went to them and 86 00:05:52,439 --> 00:05:58,560 bred them for service. Cats they just found it handy 87 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,959 to be hanging around with humans. 88 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: I think okay, and so your album Music for Cats 89 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,079 is the first album of its kind. Now, would you 90 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:11,360 call yourself a zoo musicologist. 91 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 5: Well, I've seen that, but frankly, I don't like the 92 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,360 I don't like the term very much. 93 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,959 Speaker 2: Forget it then. 94 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I forget it. Yeah, I think of Actually, truthfully, 95 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,319 the way I think of it is that music is 96 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,519 just music, and by far the most music we've heard 97 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,199 of is music designed by and for humans. But it's 98 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,120 basically the same if you design it for another species. 99 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:41,879 So I have thought in the past that hopefully in 100 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:44,680 a hundred years, I thought, well, people have to be 101 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,480 taught that music was once only for humans. But I 102 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,160 think that's probably, you know, a little optimistic, but I 103 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,160 think I still think it'd be nice. I just think 104 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:56,279 of it as music. 105 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,399 Speaker 2: Okay, Now let me ask this. So I'm curious how 106 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:03,879 you figured out what music would be best for cats. 107 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,759 I know you went into some you know a little 108 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,279 bit of that in your intro. But I play smooth 109 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:11,879 jazz for my cats sometimes, and I've heard they liked 110 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:14,879 that and they're like reggae, which is very different. So 111 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,079 did you think about what is popular with cats, what 112 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,120 you've heard about that's popular with cats. How did you 113 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:24,839 decide this is the kind of music that should be 114 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,600 in my music for Cats album, I went about it. 115 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 5: The same way as I did for the Monkeys. I 116 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:37,000 basically started with their vocalizations, and one, of course, the 117 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:42,600 perr is a go to vocalization because they, as we know, 118 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,120 the per when they're content, but they also per when 119 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,879 they're in pain, and they don't per when they're all 120 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,360 by themselves, so it is a communication. So I think 121 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,360 of it as something like the human moan that we 122 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,839 moan in pleasure and in pain. It seems like it's 123 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:02,199 an odd thing to have the same vocalization for such 124 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:06,839 very different feelings, but they're both intended to elicit a 125 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,160 kind of a sympathy from the listener. Is kind of 126 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:14,519 a moan is like you feel me with something, And 127 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:20,079 so the cat purr is roughly similar to our moon. 128 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:23,959 So it's not hard to imagine music human music that 129 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,920 has moan type of sounds in the music. And so 130 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:34,720 I developed a bunch of different instruments that basically stylize 131 00:08:34,879 --> 00:08:35,919 the purr. 132 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:40,399 Speaker 2: So you created instruments to make the sound that you. 133 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 5: Wanted right in any of my music. I don't actually 134 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,279 use the sounds of the animals in the music, but 135 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,720 just like human music, I've created instruments that create kind 136 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:58,679 of stylized versions of it. The idea is that music 137 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:00,759 is something that we don't have situate to it. In 138 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:04,240 other words, it still gets to us. You know, I'm 139 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,960 seventy now and I still enjoy a brom symphony as 140 00:09:08,039 --> 00:09:11,039 much as I did when I was young. And so 141 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:14,320 the idea is that if you get used to something, 142 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,600 it turns off the emotional response to it, Like if 143 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:20,120 you buy a refrigerator and it clinks when it makes 144 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:23,559 the ice. At first you'll notice it, but eventually that 145 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,840 gets turned off because it's just you know, your brain says, 146 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,000 don't worry, it's not a threat, so don't pay any 147 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,480 attention to it. So we don't even hear it anymore 148 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:35,080 after a while. But I have a feeling that if 149 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,639 there was like a sound outside your window every night 150 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,480 and you never knew what it was, you never identified it, 151 00:09:40,759 --> 00:09:44,559 I think you would always hear that sound. So that's 152 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,840 the reason I create instruments that aren't exactly the same 153 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:51,559 as the animal sound. It's not really a purr, but 154 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:55,480 it's enough like a pur so that hopefully the cats 155 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,759 would continue to respond to the communication of it, even 156 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:03,240 though it hasn't identified that as yeah, that's you know, 157 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,159 that's another cat or something. 158 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,799 Speaker 2: Okay, so what you've said, I can infer that basically 159 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,519 cats don't respond to music the same as humans, or do. 160 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,879 Speaker 5: They They don't, that's correct. I think in fact, they 161 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:23,480 will respond to music that's designed for them. For you know. 162 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:28,159 The other example is pulse. We have pulse, but the 163 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,039 cat that's because we listened to our mother's pulse for 164 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,639 four months before we were worn, and the brain structure 165 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,840 is responsible for our emotions are almost completely formed at 166 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,039 birth for humans. But the cat brain is only like 167 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,759 one eighth the size at birth of what it will 168 00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:52,120 be at ten weeks, so it mostly has brain development 169 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:56,840 outside the wound. So the cat pulse won't matter. But 170 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,960 I think that the sound of suckling is the sound 171 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,840 that every cat will have heard. It's a reward related 172 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:07,120 Every cat will have heard that as their brains were developing. 173 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,840 So basically, so in the category over pulse for humans, 174 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:15,519 now you've got swishing sound of suckling, four cats. 175 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,639 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. Is there a specific type of beat 176 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,000 or melody that cats are attracted to, or is it 177 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,240 just the combination of the sounds. 178 00:11:27,759 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 5: I try to go after the combination of the sounds, 179 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:35,799 and otherwise I like to keep it like regular and 180 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:40,360 pure because it's part of the theory that purity, like 181 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:44,320 a pure sound is like. And then a harsh sound 182 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:50,919 was a threat, which is so that's across many species, 183 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,039 including birds and reptiles. That high pure tends to be affectionate. 184 00:11:56,519 --> 00:12:00,279 Low harsh is a threat. But it depends on you 185 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,840 know your own species. Because what's high to us is 186 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,600 low to a cotton top timer and monkey, and what's 187 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,120 high to a cotton top temor and monkey is low 188 00:12:10,159 --> 00:12:13,440 to a bat. So you have to get it right 189 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,559 in the vocal range. So there is something some music 190 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,639 that I avoid in the low register of a cat's 191 00:12:21,399 --> 00:12:25,279 vocalizing because that's where a cat will tend to express 192 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,519 irritation or a threat, So I do avoid that. Otherwise, 193 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,919 I keep the music pure and include those elements that 194 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,799 I've gotten from the cat's vocalizations and brain development. 195 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,639 Speaker 2: Okay, and what kind of sound would be a threat to. 196 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 5: A cat, Well, a harsh sound like a hiss wish 197 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,720 you know they hiss but also a harsh sound in 198 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,000 the basically lower treble cleft. 199 00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so for those that are like like music, but 200 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:58,440 that's about it. What does that sound like? 201 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 5: Right? That would say sound like well, basically, I kind 202 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,360 of a I can get the picture right. It's kind 203 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:11,360 of a irritating sound. It's not pure, Yeah, it as 204 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:15,720 harsh and in that basically roughly the register that I 205 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:19,279 just sang in. Now Here's one thing is interesting is 206 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,600 that the music that I created for the monkeys, I've 207 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:25,000 created two kinds, one to get them riled up and 208 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,240 one to get them calmed down. At least it was 209 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:31,240 intended to do so. And the researchers found both types 210 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:35,639 of music irritating. And so I thought, well, if I 211 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,879 create music for cats that's irritating to their owners, they're 212 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:42,480 just not going to turn it on. And so in 213 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:46,559 the lower register, the cats can hear there, but they 214 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,759 don't vocalize, so it doesn't kind of it's trafficnized to them. 215 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,480 That's where I put music that I intend to appeal 216 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:56,879 to the owners. So it's kind of like two levels 217 00:13:56,919 --> 00:14:00,360 the music. The lower music is designed to to the 218 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,200 humans and the music and the upper register, the higher frequencies. 219 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:07,000 That's all for the cats. 220 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: Keep the family happy. Okay. 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So, David, 243 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:43,360 when we played your music for our cats, what should 244 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,919 we expect? Should they be chill? Will this changed neurotic 245 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:53,039 cats to common cats, or just you know, entertains them. 246 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 5: If they respond at all, they'll tend to be calmed. 247 00:15:57,159 --> 00:16:00,639 But it doesn't work for all cats. In fact, the 248 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,120 older cats don't tend to respond as much as the 249 00:16:04,159 --> 00:16:08,120 younger cats. I was interested to find from the researchers 250 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,399 that said that those cats that are the most in 251 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,639 need of comfort tend to be the most comforted by it, 252 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:19,320 like the formally abused cats that have been adopted or 253 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:24,440 formally feral cats. And so the cats that don't respond, 254 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,600 I'm guessing that they tend to be pretty happy. And 255 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,799 so it's but something like I don't know, seven out 256 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:38,120 of ten cats do respond, and the yeah, they tend 257 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:41,519 to come toward the speaker or the person who's playing it, 258 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:47,200 or snuggle up against the speaker the music, and it's 259 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:51,679 all designed to calm the cats. As you can imagine. 260 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:54,799 The music that I designed for the monkeys to get 261 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:58,919 them riled up is basically monkey heavy metal. You know, 262 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:02,159 it would be possible to write that for cats, but 263 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,839 I don't think anybody wants that in their house. 264 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: So only if it helps that fat ones get exercise. 265 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 5: Well we have, we have a couple of them, and 266 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:15,279 so one of those specially, maybe that's a good idea. 267 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,640 Maybe I should get them out there and yeah. 268 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: An exercise. I have two ideas and exercise, you know, 269 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,440 home for cats why, I mean humans dance? Maybe cats 270 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,359 have a frequency or picture because I don't know what 271 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,200 I'm talking about when it comes to music stuffics that 272 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:31,519 I like to hear. It gets them moving. And the 273 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:34,039 other thing is you're talking about how it comes, you know, 274 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,440 seven to ten cats. I thought there's so much crazy 275 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,960 in the world these days there is not one for humans, 276 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,319 or maybe there is that we could put on like loudspeakers, 277 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,400 especially over areas where there's like traffic and gridlock, to 278 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:48,519 just calm people. 279 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:51,599 Speaker 5: That would be a good idea. Part of the problem 280 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:55,200 with human music is that we've heard it forever, right 281 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,160 all the time, and people people come up with their 282 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,440 you know, the idea identify with something. In fact, I 283 00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:05,720 remember was an in law brother in law who I 284 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:08,559 was playing some music and I love this music, and 285 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,279 my mother in law loved it too. He hated it. 286 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:15,000 He was just like, oh, turn it off, gross awful. 287 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,920 And so people tend to have kind of preconceived notions 288 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,559 of what they like and what they don't, whereas, at 289 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,920 least with cats, you're starting from scratch. They don't care 290 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,440 at all basically about human music, and so so it's 291 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:36,359 you know, basically you're they're working with music that for 292 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,759 them to hear something that is in their register that 293 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,319 aligns with their vocalizations. It's a fairly new thing, and 294 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:50,200 the communication that comes through is, you know, come something 295 00:18:50,279 --> 00:18:55,480 that's communal and designed to calm them, and so they 296 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:57,599 tend to respond well to it. 297 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,039 Speaker 2: I generally, like my has to have music when I 298 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,640 work a lot remotely and I want them to be 299 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:08,720 chill in the house. So sometimes they're already listening to something. 300 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:13,079 So how would they take to listening to music for cats? 301 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:17,279 And also do I need to introduce them to music 302 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,240 for cats in a certain way. 303 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 5: I think they would do well with the music for cats. 304 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:27,559 I think you don't really need to introduce them to it. 305 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,960 I think the only problems would be if you have 306 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,680 a great speaker system. If you're a real audio file 307 00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:39,039 and you have huge speakers, that could give you a 308 00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:43,359 great base response and turn it up loud. The music 309 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,000 could sound like a giant cat or something. And so 310 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:53,400 the per sounds are designed to be played through smaller speakers, 311 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,559 you know, computers or what you might have in your kitchen. 312 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,400 And so I do think that if you were to 313 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,200 put it through so a big audiophile music system, it 314 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:08,839 might be too much for the cat. But otherwise it 315 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,519 should be something that you can just put on and 316 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:14,279 leave on and they should enjoy it. 317 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,559 Speaker 2: Should I expect to see my cats may be less 318 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,160 stressed after listening to music for cats. 319 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,559 Speaker 5: If your cats are stressed, I think you can expect 320 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:28,440 to see them less stressed. I think that's you know, 321 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:31,319 like I say, it's not going to work for every cat, 322 00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:36,000 but more likely you will see a difference. If your 323 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:40,240 cats are already very chill and happy, you may not 324 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,160 notice any difference at all. And so I remember the 325 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:46,720 very first one of the first articles that came out 326 00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:48,839 that was in the New York Times, when I was 327 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,200 talking to the journalist and she said she had a 328 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,880 cat that was had been a feeral cat was bouncing 329 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,359 off the walls, and she tried the music, and the 330 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,680 cat just hurled around the speaker and just lay there 331 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:03,680 with this music. 332 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: Wow. 333 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 5: And so I've had a number of people and sometimes, truthfully, 334 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,279 I get tears in my eyes. So there was one 335 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,839 who had adopted this cat that was always under the table, 336 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,640 always gone, basically didn't see the cat at all. And 337 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,279 she put the music on the computer, was on her lap, 338 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,400 and the cat for the first time came up sat 339 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:30,079 in her lap. And when she wrote to me about that, 340 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,440 I just thought, Okay, now I can count my life 341 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,519 at least to be you know, I have something something 342 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:40,400 I've done that I feel is valuable. 343 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:44,799 Speaker 2: I imagine you've done a lot of valuable things. That's amazing. 344 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,279 I was just thinking shelters would probably benefit a lot, 345 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:49,119 and rescues. 346 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:52,799 Speaker 5: Yes, we made it a policy right from the start 347 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,720 that we send the music for free to shelters and 348 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,319 rescues and veterinarians that do not practice decline. 349 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. 350 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 5: The second study of the cats was that was done 351 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:12,599 Louisiana State University was clinical applications, and so they played 352 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,720 this music before the evaluations of the cats, and they 353 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,079 found that it had a calming effect. And I was 354 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,079 happy to hear that too, because it can be difficult 355 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,160 for a cat to be brought into an environment like 356 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:32,319 a veterinarian's office, and so yeah, I think that's it 357 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:35,880 can be valuable in that kind of situation as well, 358 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,480 or as when they're transporting, if you're taking your cat 359 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,160 from one place to another, which is for a territorial 360 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,559 animal like a cat, can be a bit of a 361 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,319 you know, stressful event. It's good to have this music 362 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,000 on and kind of in the background, confirms that everything's fine, 363 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,240 nothing to worry about. 364 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to tell you funny visual. As you 365 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:02,640 were talking about traveling with your cat and the music, 366 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,279 I got this visual of little tiny headphones. Don't ask 367 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,799 me why, And I thought, I don't think you could 368 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:11,480 do that to a cat, But you know, I think 369 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:12,599 it's one could you. 370 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 5: I don't think so, because I've tried for for quite 371 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,920 a while to make music for horses, and because we 372 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,839 have three horses and looking at them right now, and 373 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,039 one of the things I tried was to put kind 374 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:28,359 of the music into earplugs and it did not work 375 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:28,680 at all. 376 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: And so yeah, I could see that. I think maybe 377 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,079 headphones maybe, but they don't like keeping anything on. And 378 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,440 I'm not sorry, guys, I'm not a fan of clothes 379 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,599 for you know, your pets, unless you live in a 380 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,359 frigid place. 381 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:45,559 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I think I won't be making any headphones. 382 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,599 Speaker 2: So what do you think the future holds? Is there 383 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,599 going to be a music for cats too? You could 384 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,839 make a dance album for cats. 385 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 5: You know that it's interesting that you bring that up. 386 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,720 I don't mind saying that. I have haven't heard that 387 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:06,160 idea before, and I like the idea. However, as soon 388 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,319 as I thinking about it, you know, I think dance 389 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,119 is the original art form for human beings, and I 390 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,200 think a good part of music and dance it's just 391 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,119 an ancient combination. But I think that for a cat 392 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:29,440 that puts his pause down so quietly, I don't think 393 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:34,960 that sound ever reached the cat's ears really, you know, 394 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:38,559 they're stealthy and so yeah, I think it'd be a 395 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,319 tough go to try to make dance music for cats. 396 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:44,400 I can say I've already put out a second album, 397 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:47,559 so there are two music for cats albums out there. 398 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,799 Speaker 2: Okay, And I know cats don't necessarily dance, but is 399 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:54,480 there music that possibly could get them moving more? 400 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there might be. I put in I 401 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,480 made one song that's available as a single. It's called 402 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:07,160 Spooks Diddy, and it was designed to get cats more excited. 403 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,440 And I think if you put little mouse vocalizations, they'd 404 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:14,160 certainly be interested in that. It's one of the reasons 405 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,519 they can hear so high is to track mice. But again, 406 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,799 I'll just have to admit that I have a feeling 407 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,559 that trying to create music that will get cats excited 408 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,160 is it's something that I think for most people, it's 409 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,240 going to be something that's you know, they wouldn't. 410 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,559 Speaker 2: Use very often negative exciting versus exciting. 411 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a feeling that if I put out 412 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,960 music that's calming, and if it's calming, good, and if 413 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,920 it's not calming, it's probably just nothing. You know, fine, 414 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,079 everybody could be fairly happy with that. But if you 415 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,359 put out music that's designed to get them excited, I 416 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,359 have a feeling that there are a number of people 417 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,000 that are say, wow, what's what have we done? Yeah, it's like, ah, 418 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,799 so I'll have to think about that. I'll have to think. 419 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,279 Speaker 2: About it at Lose the Inner Craziest super Zooms. So, David, 420 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,279 thank you so much for coming on Catitude. Where can 421 00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:15,720 people find out more about you, and where can they 422 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:17,640 find music for cats? 423 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 5: Well, music for cats. There's a website Music for Cats, Spotify, 424 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:27,640 Apple Music, Amazon Music. It's on the streaming platforms. Most people, 425 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,880 I think, find that the easiest, and for people who 426 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,519 still have CD players, we send out CDs from the website. 427 00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:40,279 But more about me, somebody put up a Wikipedia page 428 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:43,599 and so I guess that that's a place to go. 429 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,119 But I don't think I'm as interesting as the cat 430 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,799 music is. I you're too humble, see well, thank you. 431 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,599 I think it feels good to be if you asked 432 00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:58,640 about what's next. Basically, what's next for me just to 433 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,400 create music for more animals. I've been struggling with dogs 434 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,160 and they're very challenging. I think it will be possible. 435 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,880 But in general, I think that for the species that 436 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,400 are out there that are becoming viable only in captivity 437 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,599 because we're taking over the planet, I think the least 438 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,079 we can do is to get them in an environment 439 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:26,720 where we have something of comfort that's designed for them. 440 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,640 And so that's what I'm going after, is to try 441 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,839 to create music for captive species. And because we tend 442 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,200 to throw them into it, you know, like basically at 443 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:42,480 jail and put in an old tire and call it enrichment. 444 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,400 And you know, I think we deserve more than that. 445 00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:48,039 Speaker 2: I want to thank you so much for coming on 446 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,200 Ctitude and thank you for doing what you do. Because 447 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:57,079 creating calming and wonderful music for our furbades to chill. 448 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,319 I think it's just all positive. Think of it long term. 449 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,279 If your cats are calmer, you know, more will get adopted. 450 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,920 Let's uganize, and you know for other species there was 451 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,119 just very different benefits possibly, but so many benefits. I mean, 452 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,000 who doesn't want their for a kid to be calmed 453 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,599 and feel good? 454 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,039 Speaker 5: Right? I agree? I agree. I'm hoping that there will 455 00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:24,160 be more and more music out there for people and 456 00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,759 for the other animals. So thanks very much for having 457 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:28,240 me on. 458 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,599 Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on Catitude. I hope you all enjoyed 459 00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:36,200 this show. Thanks to David Tie, who created the world's 460 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,559 first album for cats called Music for Cats. Thank you 461 00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,359 so much David for coming on Catitude. I want to 462 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:46,960 thank my listening audience for listening to Catitude for all 463 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,480 these years. Thank you share it. There's been a lot 464 00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,519 of knowledge and interesting things on this show over the 465 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:58,960 last let's say, because nine years, so please share the 466 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:03,839 information with your friends. For Catitude, Michelle Fern and I 467 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,240 want to give it. Thank you to my listening audience Mollie, 468 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:13,240 Charlotte and Dennis who were listeners of Music for Cats 469 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:17,240 and my most neuroticat is Charlotte and she was definitely 470 00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,799 definitely seem calmer. I was a little bit shocked by it, 471 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,839 and be sure to check out the album again Music 472 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,960 for Cats by David Tye. And of course the show 473 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,519 would not be the same without my producer Mark Winter 474 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,960 working his magic. Thank you Mark, and hey, remember lose 475 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,039 the attitude, have the catitude. 476 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:44,319 Speaker 4: Let's Talk pets every week on demand only on petlifradio 477 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:58,000 dot com.