Speaker 1: What is up Fellasiko's I'm Dan fa Valley Our twenty
twenty five twenty twenty six NBA season look Ahead train
rolls on. When this goes live, will be one third
of the way done. Ten teams will be in the books.
We're onto the Charlotte Hornets, which means I have the
distinct pleasure to be joined by CBS Sports podcast producer
extraordinary mister Kanada Edwards. I love picking his brain every
single year, and this team is more fascinating than it
was last year, so this is gonna be super fun. Kanada,
how the heck are you doing well?
Speaker 2: First? Since first anything is more fascinating than a nineteen
win team that was probably the most depressing team to
watch outside of maybe Utah. But outside of that, I'm
good again. I'm enjoying my summer like I'm glad again.
I'm glad this again. The content calendar. I know we're
headed towards fall the minute I see Dan, I see
all these these team previews. I know we're headed towards
an actual regular season and we'll be inundated with nothing
but content for the next nine months.
Speaker 1: I want to preface everything we're about to talk about
with the Charlotte Hornets have sucked me in again. So
you mentioned they were impressing nineteen win team last year.
They didn't look like they were gonna be that. Before
the season, it was all will they be healthy?
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, someone warned you about that last year.
Speaker 1: You might have. But I looked at this the roster
they just had so many dudes. Now are to point again.
And I just recorded a podcast a couple of days
ago and I sang the Hornets praises they have so
many dudes again, They're sucking me in Kannada. So this
is a team that I don't think they're gonna win
the championship, want to make that year. But this is
a team that has sucked me into where I think, Oh, like,
I think people might just be too low on them,
or at least the consensus is too low on them.
Speaker 2: Define too low, define too low, because I might I
might agree.
Speaker 1: I think the projections just came back from ESPN. They're
like everyone's putting them in. I've seen like twelfth or thirteenth,
and I just think, is it possible? Sure? I'm just
I think that there's a like, this is a team
that if they get relatively good health. I know the
set we're gonna get into all of I know what
the center rotation is. They index heavily on offense. I
get it. All. This is like a team that I
could see more than doubling their win total from last year.
Damning with faint praise maybe, but still.
Speaker 2: You have them as a forty win team.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no, I said I could see it.
I haven't done my act, but you can.
Speaker 2: You can see them double it?
Speaker 1: You can thirty eight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not thirty. I wait, you are higher on
this team than I am. Right now, you were much
higher on the team than iame.
Speaker 1: I hope we get an influx of Charlotte Hornet subscribers
just and then they'll they'll unsubscribe when they hear my
other takes. So let's start here. Yeah, just really quickly,
with last season, what are you able to take away
from it? Relative to all the injuries that were once
again suffered, relative to some of the turnal we've seen.
Now Mark Williams is no longer on this team, is
there anything you could take away maybe about the way
that Charles Lee coaches this team, the things they're doing
on the court, anything at all.
Speaker 2: Charles Lee. That's that's the coach. That's the thing. That's
the respond because I saw that man coach wins out
of teams, and I also saw him pull guys to
win it, to lose as many games as possible this team.
And this is where I kind of see where you're
talking about, Hey, they can more than double their their
win total. I can see it because there were a
lot of games where they were competitive and they pulled guys.
Miles Bridge played a lot of games, didn't finish a
lot of games. I think Charles Lee can really coach.
I think it can really coach defense. I do think
that his offensive schemes rely a little bit too much
on the three ball, and I think he got a
lot of that from the Budenholzer slash Joe Miszula school
of offense, which when it's on, it's great. When it's
not on, it's not great, and it's not fun to watch,
and it can be it can be a slog for
a lot of these games. So I do think that
he can coach man. I think that's the thing that
I came back with, is that he can coach everything else.
Like I think it was an inconclusive grade for a
lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: The off season. Have we in dexing on offense?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: What do you what do you make of it? How
do you feel about it? Was it the kind of
the right call here? The direction that they've taken.
Speaker 2: I do think I do think we're headed for a
very very interesting thought experiment. Is how good if is
this offense going to be if we don't have LaMelo ball?
And we're gonna say, if LaMelo Ball's not there, can
we like before it was LaMelo's out, Oh my god,
what are we going to do? What are we going
to do? Now it's LaMelo's out? And Colin Sexton can
step in, or tray Man can step in, or Spencer
Dinwittye it stopped laughing. I hear everybody laughing right now.
I understand can step in and they had or kJ
Simpson can step in. There's a lot of these guys
to where they just said, if LaMelo gets hurt, we
need to find a way to soldier through regardless. And
I understand that that thought process. I just not like
there are a lot of guards here that feel a
little small to me, like Sexton's there, Trey Mann's there,
Nick Smith Junior for now is there you have a
lot Spencer Dinwiddie, as I just mentioned, like, there's a
lot of these small guards on this roster where positional
size is are very important to them. But at the
same point, you have a lot of these guards that
are way too small to be playing two guard next
to LaMelo Ball or too small to really be a
point guard for right now in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Do you think that any of the thought process, I
mean the Sexton thing specifically, could that have just been
born out of pure opportunity and it wasn't supposed to
be tell tale and even able to because that is
still one of the most baffling trades I've ever seen.
My favorite conspiracy theory is that the Jazz did it
so that the Hornets wouldn't take as Bailey. I don't
think they like, I don't if it was, if that's
all a cost to get the Hornets and not to
take as Bailey, Okay, do it. That's why I don't
really buy into it. But that's my point is that's
how confounding that move is from Utah's perspective. To me,
I get they're trying to clear playing time for the kids,
But why are you catching a pick?
Speaker 2: Like what yep, yep, But that's the thing, Like, and
I can tell you we'll get into this, but Con
was the guy. Con, It was Con And I think
from everything I've heard it was VJ than Khan, and
I believe they really believed in the distant shooting of Khan.
But like Colin Sexton, was an opportunity. Like, the one
thing that we've found out about Jeff Peterson is if
you're going to give him some picks to take on
some bad salary, he's likely going to do it. More importantly,
if you're going to give him the better player and
take a pick, he's absolutely gonna do it, despite the
fact that you eroded your center depth. I do think
that this team, I do think that Jeff Peterson looks
at this as we're going to figure out exactly what
we have. Like the game, the lineup, Shenanigans, those are done.
We are going to try and win as many games
as possible, figure out exactly what we have and who
we actually can build around. Because I think that this
is a team that's going to by the end of
the season, they're going to know exactly what they have
and what when they figure that part out, that's when
you're gonna start seeing guys start moving around.
Speaker 1: And while they're sort of on this fact finding mission
about maybe who's keepers. Do you think having all these
guards or like I would call them non wings because
what's interesting is like LaMelo sixty seven nipples six to seven,
Leam mcnely is six to seven, right, So but having
all of these non wings does it speak to how
you expect them to play? So my example would be,
should we expect to see that concept in and Trey
Man playing together next year?
Speaker 2: I would would be I would be shocked if we didn't,
quite honestly, like I would be shocked if we didn't.
I do think that you're gonna see a lot more
offensive viability. I don't think Conkinebile starts. I do think
that you're gonna see even No, I don't think Conkin starts.
I think we're you're probably gonna see lineup of and
I know this is a later question typically, but we'll
just go with it now. Like, I think you're gonna
see ball Sexton Miller bridges plumbly to start. I think
that's gonna be the opening day line up against Brooklyn.
I do believe that this team is going to bring
along these guys kind of slowly, and I completely understand
why they want to do it because, quite literally, it's
just like you have a lot of youth at the
back end that and we know that rookies typically don't help.
So I do think you're gonna see a lot of
Trey Man, Colin Sexton. I do think you're gonna see Conkin.
It will come along slowly. Now, granted this is all
training camp dependent. He comes comes out and he does
a PJ. Washington from his rookie year, then he may start.
This is all very very subject change. But for the
for right now, I can't see. There's no way I
can see like Conception is going to play a lot
of minutes regardless of whether LaMelo balls in the lineup
or not.
Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting and given that's like a lot of
I would have thought like Diabate might have been the
starting five. But I mean, you signed plumbly because that's
an offensive decision maker at the big man spot too.
Speaker 2: That there's that, and I like most of Diabate. I
think I think the world of Diabate. He is one
of the bright spots of last year. To me, I
think his role is better suited as a bench big.
Speaker 1: Like think, well, I would agree with you, but when
your alternatives are Mason Pluckley and Ryan Kulkbrenner, I would
make it. I could make a case for Diabate.
Speaker 2: You can make a case, But I think the thing
is like, how effective does he become it by like
two three weeks into the season, especially if his game
is basically Kenneth for Reid with a little bit of
a baget to him, Like, think about it like that.
As much as I love Musa Diabat, Musa Dibat is
a rotational big. I love him, I don't think that
you can legitimately put him out there and actually ask
him to be effective as a starter and give him
starters minutes. I just wonder if we're headed to a
Mason plumb Lee and then when Ryan Kulkbrenner gets up
to game speed, then he's the starter. And on top
of that, now you have that cheap backup big and
then you can say goodbye to Plumbe in February if
you need to.
Speaker 1: Do. You think that the big man spot is something
that they might look to upgrade or address in the
middle of the season or are they not. I know
a lot could be Well, if they're so much better
than we thought, tell you just zooming far out? Is
that could you see the front office being it doesn't
have to be ultra aggressive, but trying to capitalize on
any to say, hey, like, this is someone who actually
profiles as a starter in today's NBA or is that
maybe not going to be a priority given where they're
at in their competitive window.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that. I do wonder like, if there's
a Collin Sexon like trade out there, I think they
absolutely do it. If there's a guy that they absolutely
say we can't not have this guy on the roster
right now, and we can do it for less than
the Miami pick that they own or the Dallas top
two pick that they own, I think there. I think
they'll be in the market for it. I don't see it.
I think it's more likely we see them shed a
lot of talent this year, a lot of players this year.
But I don't know. I get this team. I don't
have a pulse on really what they All I know
is that they're going to at least assess everything in everybody,
and we are going to see a lot of change
come June twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: What I find interesting about what you said is that
a lot of what they did this offseason was geared
towards planning for the minutes that LaMelo Ball is either
not on the court or planning around when he's injured
and you need to play entire games without him, So
you think that was the primary aim rather than well,
let's also try and give LaMelo Ball enough spacing, enough
secondary ball handling around him for what the first time
and at least three years, just when you look at
the level of I know, people like to criticize LaMelo
Ball's games, and there's certainly things to quibble over there,
but when you're talking about him taking too many shots,
where you're talking about the you know, assist to usage ratio,
you have to, to me, look at the context of
the town around him, and town around him was not great.
So how much of that, like that had to be
somewhat of a factor too, right, If that.
Speaker 2: Is absolutely a factor, that was absolutely a factor. Remember,
Brandon Miller only played I think like twenty something games
this year that last year I.
Speaker 1: Had to go back and watch him before doing this
because it was so long since I saw or really
thought about Brandon Miller the basket.
Speaker 2: That was the thing. Like, Brandon Miller only played twenty
something games. And the sad part is Brandon Miller in
that first game against Houston looked like he was absolutely
going to build on his season and then he hurts
himself dunking trying to dunk the ball, ironically and set
him on a path to where he had to go
get a resurgery that ended the season. But I think
there's a lot of this to where you've got guys
with actual solid basketball IQ, the Nick Smith juniors of
the world. They're nice, but it's gonna take a little
bit more time in the oven. And you don't necessarily
have that time when you have Lamellow ball in a
max contract and oh yeah, you might have to pay
Brandon Miller at the end of next season as well. Like,
there's a lot of this to where they're trying to
figure this out. Again, it's not only evaluation, but like
you said, it's a lot of get a lot of
secondary IQ, get a lot of guys that can actually play,
that actually know what they're doing, and more importantly, can
actually hit a jump shot because a lot of the
guys that they played last year couldn't hit water if
they fell out the boat.
Speaker 1: What do you this is a good place to put this.
What do you make of the discussion nationally even locally
sometimes around LaMelo Ball, the Hornets, the coverage of it,
the franchise's view of him, his flaws as a player.
I'm asking you to unpack a lot of things there.
But what is just your kind of stance on just
how it's approached, and then what you actually think about
this situation.
Speaker 2: I think LaMelo Ball, it's one of those like I
see both sides, But for the most part, I understand
why people say he doesn't play winning set of basketball.
But also at the same point, he hasn't, like think
about his the best two teammates he's ever had in Charlotte,
it's probably a fifty percent Gordon Hayward and a Terry
Rogier that wasn't necessarily trying to blow games like those
are his two best teammates ever, you're gonna throw someone's
gonna say Miles Bridges deserves to be in this conversation.
Yes and no, Miles Bridges is a really good player.
At the same point, he didn't. He doesn't do what
Gordon Hayward does, and he didn't do what Terry Rogier
at that point when he was when he wasn't point shaving,
he tried to do. I think we have to look
at the context of the teammates. I think we also
have to look at the context of the franchise. Like
we start thinking, you start peeling back what happened with
this ownership group with Jordan. Like the first thing that
Gay Plockin and Rich Snall did was they added a
medical a legitimate medical staff. They bolstered the medical room.
Like how many of those games did Lamela lose because
they really kind of didn't have the medical staff to
take care of them. Like there's a lot of this
to where I understand why he plays the way he plays.
But at the same point, like you have to understand
that a lot of this is like nature and not
great nature instead of nurture, and they didn't really nurture him.
So there's a lot of this to where I want
to see what this looks like as a functional franchise
before we start saying, hey, look, he's not necessarily a
winning player.
Speaker 1: Do you think that. I think the organization overall is
headed in the right direction. But do you look at
the and again, the caveat for all of this with
the Hornets is always going to be health. But do
you think that this is a roster to where you
can come out of this season or even let's say
going into this season and we know what we've all
identified is like what can the melow ball do more of?
Like how can the drives go up? But can they
sustain if they do go up? Can the finishing get better?
Is he going to be stronger? What does the defense
look like? Do you think that this is the roster
and the situation where they can come out of the season,
assuming he's actually playing and kind of have more of
a I don't want to say a final verdict, put
a better grasp of who they actually have.
Speaker 2: I think the polaroid gets clearer. I do think that
we get a situation where the polaroid is absolutely so
much more clear than last year. Like I do think
that there are pieces here. I do think that when
we start talking about this team, like if Brandon Miller
plays sixty games, I think we're gonna have an idea
what he actually is or what he's closer is at Ranton.
I expect a slow start because again, risk surgery is
nothing to play with, especially when it's your shooting risk.
Speaker 1: Right. That was the big thing is that having that
surgery on a shooting hand is makes you wonder what
everything's gonna look like.
Speaker 2: Like there's a concern I have about that, but I
think you're gonna figure I think we're gonna figure out
what this team looks like when you have smart basketball
players around him. And the last time that LaMelo Ball
had smart basketball players around him, they won forty four games.
So I do think that there's a possibility that this
team can pop, but I don't think they're gonna be Again,
we see the projections twenty six wins or so I
can see a scenario like I feel like this team
is closer to thirty wins than they are to twenty.
And I also think a lot of that is because
everyone needs to see how clear this polaroid is before
further making decisions and seeing who they have to move
and who they have to.
Speaker 1: Keep based off the small sample the injury. Have your
impressions of Brandon Miller changed at all? And what will
you be watching most closely for him in year three.
I think he's recovery from said res surgery.
Speaker 2: I think he's a dog. I still think he's a dog.
I think the one issue that you might have is
that he has lapses on defense, but I think those
are going to get drilled out of him. I do
think that he's competitive. I do think he's exactly necessary.
I am still bullish outside of the wrist surgery. I
still believe in this kid, and I'm not one of
those that says he needs to have a big year
or else. This kid was second in rookie voting for
a reason. He was very, very very excellent. Now, granted
a lot of that was without Lamello, But I do
think that there's a scenario where these two you start rotating,
where again you cycle one on, you cycle one off.
And I do think that there's a possibility that this
team really really starts popping when those two really start
playing games. If they play fifty games, I can see
a scenario where this team's a lot better than a
lot of people expect.
Speaker 1: Is there any way when you're kind of looking at
what he's able to do on offense, they put the
ball in his hands more to start last year, which
I think is important. Turnovers were a Lilwaukee off the
live dribble stuff. I think he's gonna be fine as
a secondary passer. I am wondering, and I don't know
if this is more of a strength thing, because you've
harped in the past a lot about LaMelo strength. Should
it be a priority, like try to get him moving
into the rim more just for someone his size, like
the rim volume just really isn't there. And if it
is a strength thing, like is there more things they
can do for him off the ball, especially if he's
going to be in this environment where the floor should
be way more open.
Speaker 2: I would argue he has to do more, like because
of who else is on the floor. Like ideally, if
you're the Charlotte Hornets, at some point you're starting a
lineup of LaMelo Ball, Conkainipple and Brandon Miller at three
at one two three, someone's gonna have to be the
one to put the pressure on the rim. Unfortunately, we
know LaMelo can do it, but struggles with it. We
know con Again it's TVD about Conk Nipple, but everything
I've seen about Conko Nipple is much more of I'm
going to get my spot to my spots in the
mid range, and I'm gonna bury you there. Brandon Miller's
got to be that guy, Like Brandon Miller has to
be that guy. And unless you're telling me it's going
to be Miles Bridges in, it's just a strictly rim
pressure role. I like it's one of those three guys
got to do it, and I think if there's anyone
that can do it better than most, I think it
might end up being Brandon Miller.
Speaker 1: What are you You already said that you don't necessarily
expect him to play a ton out of the gate,
But what are just the early impressions of Conk Nipple.
You saw him at Summer League. His fit, YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: I think he fit like I was one of those
that wanted Trey Johnson. I thought Trey Johnson had one
of the greatest seasons as freshman that we've seen in
quite a while. After seeing what Kanka Nipple can do,
especially with the feel for the game, and if you again,
you've watched enough Hornets games to where you know feel
for the game sometimes can lack with the Hornets. A
guy with a basketball IQ, guy that can hit shots,
a guy that can credibly defend his position is going
to be invaluable. I don't think again, I don't think
he starts initially, But what I do I see a
scenario where if they're out of it and someone comes
calling for Colin Sexton in a deal that they can't
say no to, Like, does he start in February and
start taking off from there? Yeah? Absolutely, I think he's
gonna get a lot of benchminutes, though I do think
him Trey Mann, Liam McNeely, Ryan Kulkbrenner eventually, like, I
think they're going to do a lot of work off
that bench, and I think it's going to be very,
very fascinating to see how this goes going forward.
Speaker 1: And what are your early impressions of Leam McNeely. Who
caught my eye at Summer League was not did not
have a ton of priors on Leam McNeely beforehand, but
there was you know, had some feel there, better passer
than I expected, and he was someone who was like, all, look,
maybe it's the size thing, but he held up sturdier
on defense as well.
Speaker 2: Liam McNeely. So, Liam McNeely is probably one of the
most overthought prospects that went into the draft last year.
People saw the low numbers and everything else, didn't really
look at the context of the Yukon team that there
was last year as someone that had to watch that
team a lot. They didn't have a point guard, they
didn't really have, Like he was the only NBA talent
on that team. As much as I like Alex Caraban,
Alex Caraban is a guy you signed to a too
away contract at best, I say this to say that
people overthought it. I think giving him a guy that
actually again giving him a point guard, letting him do
a lot more stuff off ball, and I think there's
a there's a chance where he basically goes from I
don't know, like he ends up being a three to
four hybrid more than a two to three hybrid. I
think there's a potent, there's potential for that to be
something off the bend. But I think he's absolutely NBA
player and it didn't make any sense for him to
drop all the way to twenty nine.
Speaker 1: If you're I do think we're gonna end up looking
back at that pick, and I don't know if it'll
be Desmond Bain levels of insane dropping all the way
to thirty, but that that seems like it's gonna be
a good value pick at number twenty nine.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, I was gonna look. But again, like Dan,
I saw this kid put the fear of God. Him
and Solo Ball put the fear of God in Florida,
in Raleigh. That kid can absolutely play. I don't Again,
I don't understand it. I think a lot of people
overthought this, and I think they let a lot of
workouts again because I heard about how he had didn't
certainly work out the greatest, But I think a lot
of people didn't look at the context of that film
and figure, if we just get this kid at point guard,
he'll be just fine.
Speaker 1: Well, you did mention that you eventually see him Kank
Nipple all playing a bunch of minutes off the bench.
How does this all? How do you Charles Lee? How
does it work? Because you have Coin Sexton right now?
You mentioned Spencer Dimwiti, if there if they still want
to give kJ Simpson run Josh Green when he's healthy,
like if you want defense like he is, is he
still your best perimeter defender? Yeah? Probably yes, by the fault,
So how does that like, how does that all shake out?
Or is it that's not like this is a team.
You mentioned it that they're going to shed talent, But
that's what we need to wait for. To see a canipple,
to see a McNeely get like large swats of playing
time when this team's at full strength.
Speaker 2: I I kind of wonder what this is going to
look like in October. I'm fascinated to see what this
looks like in October, because again, we haven't even talked
about Grant Williams yet, and Grant Williams, like, if you
start looking at the game he played compared to the
games he didn't play, Like, this team that looked like
it was gonna win closer to thirty games than twenty
changed completely once once he left the once he left
the lineup and tore up his knee. I don't expect
him back anytime soon. But every report I've heard is
that this kid that he's ready to go. So I
don't know, like it's a fascinating Like it's fascinating to
me because I do see a lot of the veterans
get getting the benefit of the doubt initially, and if
we get to games and then we get to the
point of, oh my god, we have to play continent butlemore,
Oh my god, we gotta play Liam McNeely Moore, Like,
oh my god, we gotta play Ryan Kulkbrenner Moore. I
can see that happening sooner rather than later. But also
at the same point, the if when you start seeing
the schedule and how it unfolds initially, I'm not sure
you can afford to play those rookies just that are again,
I'm not sure you can afford to play the rookies
that much that early.
Speaker 1: Not a rookie anymore. But how are you feeling It's
redraft season. He's not getting a lot of love. Question.
I'm still high on him.
Speaker 2: I like, I think we forget one. He was the
youngest kid in the draft last year. I And the
thing that I keep coming back to is he was
drafted because you had a lot of guy His drafting
was an indictment on the roster that Jeff Peterson thought
he had a lot of soft guys that didn't want
to grind. And I keep coming back to I'm still
very very high on that kid. He continues to work,
he continues to grind. It doesn't matter. He just keeps going.
And there's all like effort is a skill man. And
as much as we say, hey, there's no effort, there's
no this, there's no that, YadA, YadA YadA, you can't
tell me that that kid is not going to at
least be a rotation guy. I'm still I'm still high
on him. And granted, there are gonna be people that
said you could have drafted Clinging. Yeah, but again the
foot thing scared me. Bezellous, I understand. But the like
the guys that they could have drafted at instead of
to John, I'm not sure I have How would I
put it? Like the biggest I don't have buyer's remorse
on those as much as much as many people do.
Speaker 1: How does how do you think he factors in this
season when you have I mean we talked about like
the perimeter rotation, but you have Miles Bridges, Grant Williams
when once he's healthy, Like, where does he sort of
factor into all that? Does it not really having a
ton of centers that you're married to on the roster
help out there at all?
Speaker 2: Or I think that helps out With Grant Williams, I
think you're gonna see a lot of backup for for
Tojohn as long as Grant Williams isn't healthy. I do
wonder about what this all is gonna look like going far.
I do wonder what this is gonna look like because
I'm again fascinated, because there's a lot of guys that
can beat for a lot of different spots. But at
the same point, I'm just like, this kid is going
to do something because of his perimeter shooting. I think
his perimeter shooting is gonna get better. I do think
that you're gonna start seeing proof of concept with him
to where you're gonna see, like, Okay, I see the
vision of what he can be. I don't think he
was ever gonna be honest, but if he ends up
being in Ersan yilis Il Yasova or a Nikolamritach type guy,
I can see that a guy that hustles his threes
and defends at a decent amount, at a decent level,
Like I can see that happening and to the point where, hey,
that ends up being a great pick down the line.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's TBD to call him a butt.
I get like, I don't know how everyone approaches Redrafts.
Is there you're picking for the long term you're ranking
them right now, because of course he's not going to
like come off to while there. But I will say
I probably was more encouraged, like later in the year,
even just the transition stuff, it seemed like if the
balls in his hands, he was playing a little more
under control. And I tend to throw efficiency. I go
off vibes and eye tests for the first two years
of a player's career, sometimes even three. He might be
one of those players where it's like, hopefully the efficiency
will line up with it. But I didn't come away
thinking that he's like definitely going to be a bust.
But I've taken him number six as of right now.
Like objectively, it's tough to say you could frame it
the way you did, where it's how high are you
on Bezellos and clinging or a zach Edy If you're
not high, I mean the zach Edy with the ankle issues.
He's had like eight of them in the past year.
So I think it's independent of the redraft. The discussion
I think is certainly worth having, but it's not as
cut and dry as I think people have made it.
Speaker 2: Not in that draft, not not draft, not not draft.
And again I would add, if you've paid attention to
the Hornets in any little bit for the last couple
of years, do you want to tell me that the
Hornet's drafting an injury prone center or two of them
is a really, really good idea, because if so, I
need you that to explain it to me, like I'm five.
Speaker 1: It's it's only a good idea. Had they done it
and then traded a first round pick to get Robert
Williams the third, that's when it would have been a
good idea. You got to load up on the injury
prone centers, exactly, you lean into.
Speaker 2: It, like exactly, if you're gonna go do that, you
might as well just go collect the whole set. Might
as well just trade it for DeAndre Ayton at that
point and then sent him off to LA in some
failed deal as well.
Speaker 1: You know, did you are there any like you have
any strong thoughts on Ryan Kulkbrenner, kJ Simpson, like any
of the other younger, younger guys on this roster.
Speaker 2: Kault Brenner is going to be a factor later it
later in this year. I do think Ryan Kulkbrenner we're
not talking about enough right now, because again I think
he's gonna he's going to be on the Mark Williams
plan of we're gonna get you up to speed in Greensboro,
like depending on the health of Grant Williams, which I
hate to keep saying because again someone can play a
drinking game off of this, but depending on the health
of Grant Williams. At this point, if you tell me
that it's Williams, it's it's Grant Williams. Your center rotation
is Mason Plumley musad'abate Grant Williams as your third emergency center,
Like if you told me that it's those three, and
then you let Kaulkbrenner get seasoning in Greensboro and get
adjusted to the speed. Because defensively, I think he's going
to be ready sooner rather than later. It's offensively and
strength wise and keeping people off the glass where I
have concerns for him. I do think that this is
a kid that, as we talk about before, I think
a lot of people overthought it with Ryan Kulkbrenner, and
I do think he's an NBA center. It's just a
matter of is he going to be there, is he
going to get there this year, or is he gonna
get there closer than next year. And my money's on
closer than next year.
Speaker 1: You kind of said something. I mean, like, we people
talk a lot about the lack of proven centers, let's say,
on this roster. But I'm just like, how is this
team you mentioned, like Kulkbrenner keeping people off the glass? Like,
how is this team supposed to consistently rebound? Especially if
you're talking about having Grant Williams slide up to the
five prayer?
Speaker 2: That's it, prayer, that's it. Let's be real, Like that
was my thing. Like, I like Mason Plumbley. Mason Plumbley
should not be your starting center in twenty twenty five.
He should be a nice bench option. Remember Nick Richards,
former Charlotte Hornet, came in immediately and became the starting
center over who Mason Plumbley. There was a reason for that.
So I do think that the Hornets were just so
disenchanted is the word I would use with the entire
center room last year, that everybody except Mussa Diabat had
to go. And I completely understand why.
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is their defense. In general, I
think everyone's impression is they've leaned so far into offense
that the defense is going to be an abject disaster.
I think there's a chance for it to happen again,
just when you look at the personnel. But I think
you could argue for a good chunk of last season,
or at least schematically, with some of the things they did.
They punched above their weight with Charles Lee, and I
think you could really see it. You see, you watch
this team way more than I do. Is he can
correct me if I'm wrong when you look at the activity,
like the deliberateness that can go into diss waiting or
limiting shots around the basket, like that was a material
change to them. There is no one who finished the
season on that roster, aside from maybe Mark Williams, where
you look at and said, yeah, you know what, it
would make sense that they were able to do that again.
Speaker 2: That's that's Charles Lee's thing, Like Charles, Le'll scheme up
some defense. Charles. Like Charles, I'm not worried about the
perimeter defense as much. I'm worried about what's gonna happen
when they get to the rim. I'm worried about I'm
not even worried about them creating stops I'm much more
worried about the rebounding. That's the only thing I ever
really worry about with this team going forward, because like
we've seen Mason Plumley get pushed underneath the rim, I've
seen Mussa Dibat repeatedly get pushed underneath the rim. But
the defense is one of those things where like that's
no negotiable with Charles Lee, we've seen it before. We've
seen him bench Lamelow off of this stuff. We've seen
him bench Brandon Miller. We've seen him bench a lot
of guys. If you do not defend, you will not play.
And he's got enough guys to wear that is a
legitimate threat that he can actually carry out. If you're
not willing to defend this year.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to enter the cookie cutter portion of.
Speaker 2: The podcast, let's do this. Let's do this.
Speaker 1: So, looking at their roster, what do you view as
their biggest need? We've probably talked about a few of them.
If there's anything we haven't talked about you after your
poosh you mentioned rebounding size C Yeah, that's not.
Speaker 2: Right, like that like that's the thing and shout out
to James plow Right of Buzzby he brings up the
idea of Bam out of Bios as a hornet center
next year, especially since like Miami's not doing very well
and you kind of own an unprotected Miami pick in
the future that may end up cashing in and being
very like, I think that's one of the better assets
in the league to have right now. So I would
not be surprised if like he brings up Bam out
of Baio. But I do think center is probably the
biggest asset that they need outside of maybe a legitimate
wing stopper.
Speaker 1: What is there a something about this team, whether it's
like a strength or a storyline that is flying under
the radar relative to how people are talking about them.
Speaker 2: The youth Actually, again, you know what we talked. We
forgot to talk about one guy, Sion James, and I
think he's going to be fascinating because he's again kid
out of Duke, probably one of the better p perimeter
defenders I saw in college last year. I think he's
gonna have a sneaky chance to get on this roster,
and I do think that if he's at least and
if not, he's going to be on the mark Williams
program with Ryan Kalkbrenner about getting seasoning and he's going
to be a part of this team later rather than sooner.
But I do think that he's a very fascinating character
because if he just does the lou Dort three and
D guard you up, that's the kind of wing defender
that Charles Lee likes, and it gives the Hornets a
little bit more flexibility to move a Josh Green or
move some other of these guys and some more of
these guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do they go about making a roster
spot for him at this point? Like that, aren't you
just get rid of Nick Smith? Yeah? Okay, so I
believe he's.
Speaker 2: Okay, I believe him and kJ. It's like him, kJ
and Drew Peterson are the three two ways I believe. Actually, no,
I'm sorry, No, there is a roster No, he's on
a roster spot. I'm sorry. Sign they signed all this.
They signed si On James to a regular roster spot.
He's not on two way. He's actually on a roster
spot right now.
Speaker 1: So who is like on? I guess it's a Nick
Smith junior. We should pencil him in for like getting
the boot from him.
Speaker 2: Day Kwon Jeffries, I would assume like him, day Kwon
Jeffries are absolutely gone. Pat Conon's on this roster. I
would not expect him to continue to be on this roster.
I again, it's very very interesting because again they're at
like the roster max at twenty one. I think right
now that they got to shave down at some point,
so they are. They have a lot of guys on
that team that I don't know how it's gonna work,
but it's going to be very fascinating to see what
happens after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have I didn't even I thought it was seventeen.
They have eighteen guys. They're not all guaranteed, but they
have eighteen guys under quote unquote contract. One of the
not there's two non guarantees. One of them is Diabatee
he's not going anywhere, and the others d Kwan Jeffries,
so he would.
Speaker 2: Be he's probably gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I guess it's like after that, it
does have to be Nixon, Like if you want to
keep call Krenner, obviously, yeah, it's got to be Nick
Miss It's no, he's gone. I guess ideally it would
be pat Conon. But even he could maybe lot some
win minutes if you want him to.
Speaker 2: But isn't he like he's a ten million expiring I
wouldn't necessarily like get rid of that all that's simp
that soon.
Speaker 1: That's the other trades that could be useful, especially given
their flexibility with in trades like being able to flip
him for a player who makes exponentially more.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. The Hornets have a lot of
expiring salary. I would not be surprised, would not be
surprised if they're the lubricant along with Brooklyn this year
in terms of gaining more assets, getting players, Like the
war chest is getting kind of full and they're eventually
going to have to make a move with some of
these assets that they've required. But I would not be
surprised if they're in more asset acquisition mode because they
have because of that second the Apron, and we see
how deathly afraid all these teams are of the Second
Apron right now.
Speaker 1: And they've also I mean they've shown now on numerous
occasions to trade death lines and an off season two
off seasons now that they are going to be opportunistic
and make those types of moves if they're available, because
that's how they've established part of their war chests. Okay,
they got rid of PJ. Washington, but like the Terry
Rozier trade, that was like a really smart move by
them as well.
Speaker 2: Shout out to that unprotected pick that's going to keep
living on in perpetuity for the next couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is it. It's it's a top protect
twenty it goes out to twenty twenty eight. Holy shit,
I thought was twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Rat No, it's I'm sorry, no, it's lottery protected in
twenty twenty seven. But if it if the heat basically
get are in the lottery in twenty twenty seven, twenty
twenty eight is unprotected, I believe that's those are the
conditions on that.
Speaker 1: Wow. I thought for some reason I thought it was
flopped too. I thought this was the year it was
lottery protected. But I mean, either way within their direction.
Speaker 2: And then you have a mass pick. You also have
the MAVs pick that's the top two protected one. I believe.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, you're right, yep, you are lottery
protecting twenty twenty seven, unprotected in twenty twenty eight. So yeah,
uh there I is next offseason kind of like you're
looking at that as will they try to hit I
don't want to say the turbo button, but the be
more aggressive button to maybe cashing some chips, you do think,
So okay.
Speaker 2: They have to they have to because remember Brandon Miller
is extension eligible, so you have like you're gonna have
to make a decision on that. And we saw what
they did with Mark Williams, Like if they didn't think
they don't think you're gonna be a part of the
future or you're a part of the solution, most likely
you will not be here. Mark Williams should have told
all of that to start. So I do think that
this is going to be very fascinating in the continual,
continual reshaping of this roster. Someone's again, it's like that
TV show with the season finale, Someone's not gonna be
here by the time that we get to that point.
Speaker 1: You're looking at this roster right now trying to factor
in an everything who winds up being the ten most
used players by the end of the year. I already
filled out my starters and apparent Cornelid had two of
the wrong which is why this team is so fun.
Speaker 2: All right, again, give me your ten, give me a ten.
Speaker 1: So I mean, so these are my ten. But my
starters were LaMelo, Canipple, Brandon Miller, Miles Bridges, Mussa Diabatte.
Then I have Sexton, Josh Green, Grant Williams, Mason plum
Lee and t Jon Salon.
Speaker 2: All right, I think ten most us I think you
need to create. I think you need to probably create
a spot for Liam McNeely somewhere in there. I do
think plumb Lee is gonna get more run than you think.
And some about trey Man. And I think the trey
Man is the wild card to all of this because
if he was truly held out because of just simply
because of the back, and they weren't gonna play with
that on a on a walk here, which I don't
necessarily blame them like that, that's just good business by
his agent. I there's a part of me that wonders
if trey Man doesn't just become just a super super
piece that they end up either keeping or dealing because
the contract is just so just so easy to move,
which is the other thing is again we talk about
easy to move in all these pieces. There are a
lot of pieces that are very very easily movable, including LaMelo,
depending on if they want to get to that point,
which I don't think they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even going through it, I didn't even like leaving
off of trey Man. Leaving off of I thought Liam
McNeely was easy to leave off just because they had
so many dudes, But leaving off the trey Man is like,
that's guttural.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, but I get it because trey Mann had
a similar season though to Brandon Miller, Like he was there,
he was pretty good, and then Christmas came around and
he wasn't there anymore. So I completely understand why anybody
would have forgotten about it.
Speaker 1: Well, those updates too, were non existent for so long,
and all of a sudden he becomes like Andrews free
agency and it's like, oh, trey Man's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah that that that whole scenario was very weird
because you saw, like there were there were instagrams of
him like practicing and they're they're ramping up the play
and then radio silence and yeah, yeah, like like that,
that's that's the thing. The hornets move in silence and
mystery a lot they don't let you in unless they
really want to let you in and if it's safe
to let you in.
Speaker 1: Well, So if we say that trade Man belongs in
that top ten, which I like on it from a
talent perspective and like based off the way he's played
when he's healthy in Charlotte, it's an easy case to make.
Who gets bounced? Is that like at the expense of
Conkin Nipple losing a lot of size? There is it
at the expense of we could say they'll eventually move
Colin Sexton and maybe that takes care of it. But
you're looking at when I look at the roster of guys,
it's all right or dude, like, who is who's who's
playing less? If everybody's else?
Speaker 2: So are we fact in health? Because again that's the
other thing.
Speaker 1: I think Josh Green not being healthy to start the season, right,
that'll help. But if this team's at full strength, unless
we just never expect them to be at full.
Speaker 2: Strength, that's that's where I would tell you, like, you
probably need to expect at least one or two guys,
one of two rotation guys, to be hurt. And that's
where the Liam mcneely's come in. I think Josh Green
is a sneaky trade candidate too. If I'm honest, I
think that's a guy should be.
Speaker 1: But I just don't don't. I'm not a Josh Green guy.
I can't go No.
Speaker 2: You know what. You tried to warn me about him
last year, and I thought, look, I was looking for
any kind of solid defender, because again, you've seen this team,
and solid and willing defenders are few and far in between.
So I was just looking for report in the storm,
and I came away disappointed, despite the fact that the
guy shot forty from three last year.
Speaker 1: Just hanging out in the corners.
Speaker 2: Though, yeah, it's still there's need for that. There's always
a need for that, always a need for that.
Speaker 1: This is, to some extent, matchup dependent. It's it's honestly
an unfair not just an impossible question, but it's an
unfair question to throw at you. What is going to
be their their most used closing lineup? When all said
and done, we could let zoom ahead to April regular
seasons over what's been their most used crunch time lineup?
Speaker 2: At that point, I would tell you Ball Sexton, Miller,
Bridges Williams.
Speaker 1: Ball Miller, Sexton Bridges William Yeah, you know, I guess
I underestimated how much I should be expecting Sexton and
LaMelo Ball to play together.
Speaker 2: I think that there's that. I do think Nipples has
a or either the him or Trey Man. Swap him
for Trey Man.
Speaker 1: That'd be fun line. He's like Trey Man, just his
esthetics are more fucking like watching him a little bit.
Speaker 2: More like that, Like, I think that's that's the closing lineup.
I do think there's a spot, there's a spot where
Klank Nipple can sneak his way in, but I don't
think that's this year. I do think that they're gonna
figure out what they have in all this and then
they're gonna start again. This is a very very fluid
evaluation year to where this can either be twenty four
win again. I do think they're gonna hit the over,
and I think they're over is twenty four and a half.
They're going to hit that over this they.
Speaker 1: Talk myself into, like can I bump up that line
and hit the over?
Speaker 2: Like I like, I feel like that's an easy over
at twenty four and a half. I do think that
they're gonna hit that. I just wonder if the ceiling
is thirty three to thirty four wins for this team?
Speaker 1: Is there a funky weirdo lineup you want to see
Charles Lee try this year? It should really be all guards, right, Like,
what's what's the all guard unit we can come up with?
Speaker 2: Honestly, hold on funky lineup? Let's see man Can Nipple, Neely, Salon,
caulk Brenner.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a great one. I don't know
that I could beat that. I grant Williams McNeely, ca Nipple,
LaMelo Ball and Trey Mann.
Speaker 2: I think the thing that the issue with like the
LaMelo ball things is I think we're gonna see them.
Mine is I get mine is if these guys defend,
then we might actually see it.
Speaker 1: But I want Sion Sion James in mine. Now that
you sold me on his defense.
Speaker 2: Sion James is going to be Sion James. Like if
he's they think he's lou Dort or they think he's
going to be lou Dort. Eventually, if he ends up
hitting anywhere close to lou Dort, that is your starter
at two for a very very long time. And then
we have a very very uncomfortable conversation about who stays
and who goes in that starting rotation between Konk Nipple
and Brandon Miller.
Speaker 1: And so I'll change mine then to Brandon Miller, Cion,
James Nipple, McNeely and Grant Williams.
Speaker 2: I do like that. That is going to be a grinder,
like that is going to be a grinder type lineup.
I do oh, I do like that one. I do
like that one.
Speaker 1: So before I ask you for some predictions, is there
anything else about this team that we didn't talk about
that you think needs to be hit, Anything you'd like
to still get off your chest about the way that
they are covered from a national perspective.
Speaker 2: Honestly, like, like, my whole thing is at this with
the Charlotte Hornets. I am of the You're probably right,
but they have like that You're probably wrong about the Hornets.
And I say this as a national thing, like most
people are probably wrong about the Charlotte Hornet, but they
haven't done enough to where they actually work defending right
now if they again, they were so bad intentionally so
now mind you. And they were one of the few
teams that didn't get fined one hundred thousand dollars for
like shout out to Utah for catch catching all those
fines for lineuplation everything else.
Speaker 1: They secretly got fined because Walker Kessler were shooting threes.
That's what really happened. And they're like, Okay, that was
too egregious for the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like that's I think this team like hasn't
done enough to where I'm actually going to fit like
vehemently defend them anymore. They've got it like they're embarrassing
to be in be seen with in public, even though at.
Speaker 1: This point, like, yeah, look at it.
Speaker 2: I'm wearing the Summer League Vegas championship shirt. Yes, I
paid fifty dollars for this. No, I have no change.
Speaker 1: That is the most insane thing that's been discussed in time.
Not the Hornets winning forty games this year, You're paying
fifty dollars for a Supper League championship shirt. I can't
look down a dynasty.
Speaker 2: But come on, look, I'm okay with it. Like again,
this is mind you. This is a team that has
never been to the Eastern Conference finals, Dan, they've never
won anything of significance. Of course, I'm going to commemorate
this the one time they've won anything, period, not even
of significance, won anything. Of course I'm gonna buy it.
Speaker 1: I get you bought multiples though for other people that's yes,
probably the real insanity.
Speaker 2: No it's not. Again, this is a sickness. I'm viral.
I passed on my sickness to other people. Now granted,
technically one of those was my father, who was a
bigger sicko than I, so I had to get it
for him. The other person I converted was my wife,
so yes, feel bad for her.
Speaker 1: So how many games do you see them winning and
where do you have them stacked up in the rest
of the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 2: I see a thirty three I see like thirty one
to thirty three wins. I think they're going to compete
for that ten slot. I do think. I think thirty
like thirty one to thirty three wins, and we're talking
about out a top three pick because of the way
the lottery works now, where you're better off winning as
many games as possible as humanly possible and then letting
the chips fall where they lottery balls fall where they may.
But I just, for some reason, I just see this
team winning thirty plus games and giving people something to
be excited about.
Speaker 1: And that's weird territory to be in, because I think
at some point in the season you could look at
it and say, when you're a win like I don't
fourteen or something, is it time to steer out of this?
Do you think that this team still has the potential
the front office specifically would still think in those terms,
or if they're on track to actually be a thirty
three thirty four to thirty five win team, that they'll
you know, if it's happening, because some of the young
guys are playing. It's not that they're over indexing on
a Miles Bridges and a Mason Plumley, and those are
the guys in a Collin Sexton that are making the impact,
because I think that's what's tough about their situation is
like thirty three might get you in the play in
it was thirty nine last year was the ten see
And I think to the people, I think some of
it's reductive when you're talking about the Hornets, but I
do think you could also reasonably look at the East
and say how many teams would you guarantee are worse
than Charlotte? And it gets hard after Washington and Brooklyn that.
Speaker 2: Washington and dare I say it, and I feel bad
for the people up north, But I feel like Toronto
is not that.
Speaker 1: Good, So I strongly disagree. But what I will say is,
if you actually got rid of Massai EUJII for anything
that had to do with his philosophical approach to team building,
it would to me increase the likelihood that this roster
has a lot of churn, and they lean into that. Now.
I think where that logic falls apart a little bit
is they've done literally nothing since getting rid of Uji.
They extended Yaka pertle, so if anything, they've doubled down
on it. I think. I think I'm pretty hot. They
were the other team I had to pick two surprises
for a podcast I was doing that People are Too
Low on and picked the rafters in the Hornets.
Speaker 2: I like, I just like there's a like that's the team.
I wonder like they have so many redundant parts that
also can't necessarily stay healthy. Where I'd like to see
Brandon Brandon Ingram play sixty games, I haven't really seen
it in a while. Same thing with RJ. Barrett. I'd
like to see that same thing with quickly. I would
like to see all those pieces come together. I again,
they they are Hornets North to me, except they actually
have a center. That's yeah, that's true. And I do
think Colin Murray Broyles is a very, very very good player,
but he's incredibly redundant for that entire process, and I wonder,
I do wonder what all of that is gonna look like.
But like I feel like it's gonna be that like
Toronto and Charlotte for that ten spot. But as to
the other thing, like you're wondering, like what happens if
they're over indexing on a Miles on a Mason plumb Lee,
if they're over indexing on a Miles Bridge is like,
I don't think the way this roster is built, even
if you are, those are guys that you can probably
move anyway.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess that was my question though, is if
this team is headed down that path, like are they
going to lean more into the youth movement? Either by Okay,
Miles Bridges would be the one because of his contract
and just the baggage that comes with him. Is we're
gonna shut him down to lean into it? Or is
this a year where it feels like they're gonna follow
it through just so they have a sample size with
as many of the prospective core guys together as possible.
Speaker 2: I do you don't have enough data? Like That's the
thing I keep coming back to, is you don't have
enough like the Charlotte Hornets front off is does not
have nearly enough data to make a decision on anybody,
Like you need to see what this looks like. You
have to play this out, and more importantly at this point,
like if you I'm out in January, who is it
actually helped? Like that's the thing I keep coming back to,
is who does this actually help when you start bombing out?
Did it help Utah? No? Did it really help Washington?
Also know? But again granted, Washington ended up winning a
ton of games on the back end, so they may
not necessarily figure into this equation. But san Antonio it helped,
But that's only because quite literally, Wenby got hurt in February,
like Luca got traded, and that's what helped Dallas. But
not like it helps you to win as many games
as possible because the margins are so thin right now,
you're better off figuring out what you have so that
no matter where you pick, especially in a draft like this,
which is the last real draft in a long time
for at least another year or two, Like this is
the last real draft, I think it helps the Hornets
more to know exactly what they have and what they
don't have and to pivot into something actually worth winning again,
to actually have winning basketball around.
Speaker 1: Could I get one other prediction for you for this team, Oh,
to be whatever you.
Speaker 2: Want, Liam McNeely, Second Rookie, All Team, All Rookie Second Team.
Speaker 1: At minimum, They're really gonna find playing time for these
guys to spend having such a jumble the roster.
Speaker 2: That's I think. I just I may believe Ridley and McNeely. Again,
I'm very much a believe ri in Ley and McNeely.
I think he's one of those guys that if you
build something sustainable, you have to hit on those kind
of guys in the twenties and everything else like that.
We've seen it again. You mentioned Desmond Baine, Draymond Green
the obvious answer, but there are a lot of these
guys that if you hit on late like I think
that you can end up changing your entire trajectory. And
I think he was criminally underdrafted.
Speaker 1: I like that one. That's a really good one.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be tracking this team's minutes pattern more than
I kind of thought coming in here. They have so
many dudes. That's what I said at the top of this.
Speaker 2: They have a ton of dudes. It's they have a
ton of very interesting dudes, and it's just about figuring
out where this is. Like, I don't want to say
CON's gonna be I think Con has a shot at
Rookie All First Team, but I also think there's a
there's a chance that he ends up just being a
really solid bench contributor this year and he ends up
popping in the following year. But I also wonder, like
there's a lot of this, Like you said, it's a
roster jumble, and I think a lot of this is
gonna end up having to get clear. That Polarid is
gonna end up having to get clear probably in October,
and we'll find out probably first two weeks of the
season exactly what this is.
Speaker 1: Kanada. This was a blast, as it is every single year.
Are you able just to tell our listeners where they
could find you on the social machines and what you
got going on this season.
Speaker 2: I'm still barely on Twitter at not of the scribe,
barely barely, but I'm also on Blue Sky. I believe
that yeah, it's not a describe at Blueska on Blue
Sky as well. And if you want to catch any
of my work and follow me on the draft stuff
that we do in college basketball stuff, check the CBS
College Basketball YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for all your time as always,
as you know by now, I'll be pestering you again
in the future, and until next time, I leave everybody
with the shout out to the one the only former Hornet,
mister Frank Nilakina.