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<v Speaker 1>Well, whiskey, come and take my pain. Honeys my ry,

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<v Speaker 1>oh whiskey. Don't why think alone when you can drink

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<v Speaker 1>it all in with Ricochet's three Whiskey Happy Hour, join

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<v Speaker 1>your bartenders, Steve Hayward, John, You and the international woman

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<v Speaker 1>of mystery, Lucretia where the lapped it up? And David,

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<v Speaker 1>ain't you busy on the show? Tap you gotta giving?

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<v Speaker 1>And let that whiskey flo It's the three Whiskey Happy

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<v Speaker 1>Hour with your three bartenders. I had a Gen and

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<v Speaker 1>tonic earlier because I am dehydrated from flying on airplanes

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<v Speaker 1>all day from Mississippi. More about that in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But Hi Lucretia, Hi John, what are you guys using

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<v Speaker 1>to celebrate the end of the week with the.

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<v Speaker 2>Task of a monteato? Ha?

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<v Speaker 1>Right right? And John, you're still doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>media tonight, so you probably can't enjoy your show on TV.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm contrary to what people believe, I am not

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<v Speaker 3>drunk when I'm on TV. Well, you know, maybe on

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<v Speaker 3>this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well you know. I think I have told the

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<v Speaker 1>story before of getting advice from a well known public

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<v Speaker 1>speaker never to have a drink before you're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>public appearance, and it was PJ. O'Rourke of all people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>a man for whom there was no illicit substance. He

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't tried, right, He was.

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<v Speaker 3>Like to be smoked, didn't he like smoke during things?

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<v Speaker 1>And well, yes, smoking is different than drinking. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>don't drink before you speak. And you know he's the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who hung out with Thompson. Right, So it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Smoking doesn't do anything to alter your state of mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, wait a minute, nicotine is good for that. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that you were a smokerlone.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, you don't get any kind of

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get the effects of an aberration. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>get hallucinogenic effects. You might get just a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Of a why bother?

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<v Speaker 3>Then why bother?

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<v Speaker 2>Because first you get a kind of energy you get

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time you get calming effects from it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know my great story about the priest at Lent

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<v Speaker 2>who's coming back at two o'clock in the morning, the

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<v Speaker 2>worst part of Chicago, middle of winter, and some guy

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<v Speaker 2>sticks a gun adimsy, just give me your wallet. So

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<v Speaker 2>he opens up his overcoat and and it sees that

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<v Speaker 2>the robber sees his collar and uh, he said, oh, oh, father,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry. I had no idea. You're a priest.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't put your wallet back. Put your wallet back. And

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<v Speaker 2>the priest reaches in for his cigarettes and offers the

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<v Speaker 2>robber a cigarette, you know, because you're nervous and it

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<v Speaker 2>calms me down. That's the point. And of course the

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<v Speaker 2>punchline is it's supposedly a t too story. The punch

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<v Speaker 2>line is, oh no, no, no, I gave those up

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<v Speaker 2>for lent.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't get it, I know, even though he even though

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<v Speaker 1>he went on Episcopal press school and a million years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah all right, well, but but.

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<v Speaker 2>The point is Robert versus smoking. Never mind, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to explain it to you.

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<v Speaker 1>There is research showing that nicotine sharpens your concentration. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's right, really yeah, I think. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>not something that you feel, well, well okay, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I mean, it's just it's not mind altering,

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm trying to tell you. You don't get

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of anything from it. I smoked for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. I know this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, okay. All I know is when I see

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<v Speaker 1>people smoking, especially Europeans, so that just looks so great.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish it wasn't so bad for.

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<v Speaker 2>You or stunk so much. Yes, right, you've probably anybody

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<v Speaker 2>who's ever watched us on YouTube knows that I have

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<v Speaker 2>a very hard time keeping my hands still when I talk,

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<v Speaker 2>and having a cigarette made it very simple.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just I think someday we'll look back and say

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<v Speaker 3>the barbarack, like we used to take weeds and burn

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<v Speaker 3>them in our mouths, and for centuries it seems bizarre.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually we think.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know. I don't know if if I've

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<v Speaker 1>told the story on our podcast or not. LUCREATI Jull

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<v Speaker 1>can tell me. But I remember seeing Alan Bloom at

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<v Speaker 1>Prize guy and Bloom the now monster best selling author.

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<v Speaker 1>And Bloom was making fun of the Chicago guys. He

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<v Speaker 1>ran circles around Buchanan on his panel. It was amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like nineteen eighty eight. I would say, you

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<v Speaker 1>can still smoke in the lecture halls in Claremont at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. But Buchannan was talking about sorry, Bloom was

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<v Speaker 1>doing his usual flamboyant routine about you know. Now at Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to go listen in on these seven hours

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<v Speaker 1>of Milton Friedman and Frank Knight, a really famous guy

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<v Speaker 1>earner than that, who Bloom was very close to, and

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<v Speaker 1>Hiak and all these people. And he says, and I

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<v Speaker 1>always say to me, Bloom, if you're so smart, how

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<v Speaker 1>come you're not rich? And Bloom pauses, takes a big

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<v Speaker 1>drag on his cigarette and says, well, I am. Now

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<v Speaker 1>the whole room busts up right. I highly recommend it

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody. Way bega cigarette around, ashes flag everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you that more than once, Steve I

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<v Speaker 2>I bummed a cigarette in class from Peter Shram.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm sure, yes, right, because Shram could ever read

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<v Speaker 1>without a cigarette. And sadly that's partly why yeah years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>so right right, yeah, Well, a couple of little chotskis

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<v Speaker 1>to show you, guys, one just for you and then

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<v Speaker 1>one for listeners and viewers, all ten viewers. Maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>got from United Airlines today my official two million mile

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<v Speaker 1>plaque to put up on my shelf. Two million flight

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<v Speaker 1>This is stupid. I have too many of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't I don't like chotskis like this, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still nice. They sent me this thing. And but more

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<v Speaker 1>important than that, you know, we've been talking about this

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<v Speaker 1>and I did a sample press run of the three

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<v Speaker 1>Whiskey Happy Hour coffee mug, and there it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's too beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want it too colorful? Well, you don't like

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<v Speaker 1>the black and white you want? Well, all right, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think i'll say this about it. It is up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a decal, which means it's dishwashers safe. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of coffee mubs are decal stuck on and

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<v Speaker 1>they won't last ten times in your washing machine. This

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what, John, I'm gonna post this up and

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<v Speaker 1>see who you get.

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<v Speaker 3>Out like a black and white sketch kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that was having that garish multi colored that's like

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<v Speaker 3>what like this a multi colored dream code or something

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<v Speaker 3>from some bad seventies Broadway musical.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate who side are you want here? I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong with John here? This is a great logo,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I like it with the red

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<v Speaker 2>on the inside. Because it doesn't match. But okay, anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it probably doesn't matter either. You're gonna pick

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<v Speaker 1>You know you're loyal. You know it's for I won't

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<v Speaker 1>send you one then John back with you. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I want there to be some like small secret symbol

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<v Speaker 3>that only people in the note will understand.

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<v Speaker 2>What.

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<v Speaker 1>Well now, okay, well I'm toying with that idea too.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we can have more than one. You can

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<v Speaker 1>have just a little thing that says three w h

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<v Speaker 1>h the people who know no, right, and that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a secret handshake. So all right, no you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you got you two million miles. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the US Army awarded me the let's it called Meritorious

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<v Speaker 2>Public Service Award for something incredible service to the US Army.

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<v Speaker 1>And during a government shutdown this happened. That's important.

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<v Speaker 2>They yes, they it was very interesting. It was Wednesday

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<v Speaker 2>the green suitors there, the salad suitors who are obviously

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<v Speaker 2>they're paid unpaid, working unpaid, but they had gotten paid

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<v Speaker 3>But all of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Civilians and the commanding general told me that he I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you guys are doing this now, why

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you just wait? He says, it's too important and

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<v Speaker 2>we had to give it to you right away. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to share the picture, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem to work with the way you have the authority

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes nowhere course, But anyway, the interesting thing is the

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<v Speaker 2>metal is like a meritorious service award that the that

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<v Speaker 2>a soldier would get, and the way the metal comes

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I get a nice plaque and everything, but

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<v Speaker 2>for my you know when you see the generals and

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<v Speaker 2>my blue my dress blues, and one to go I

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<v Speaker 2>mean absolutely nothing that I ever. You know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>in the army, so I don't actually wear army uniforms.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what I got, three different medals for the

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<v Speaker 2>purpose of the different uniforms that I don't wear anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, so I thought what we do this week

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<v Speaker 1>is put off a couple of headlines till later in

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<v Speaker 1>And also I was in Mississippi all week. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>just say give a shout out to the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi and the Declaration of Independent Center. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>many of whom are listeners to our show. They're a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic bunch at a great time. I gave a lecture

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<v Speaker 1>series that's going to I think become a book soon

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<v Speaker 1>called Against Mediocrity. That's the working title anyway. Now Lucretia

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<v Speaker 1>will mock me right away saying, how nevermind, I won't

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<v Speaker 1>finish that slur anyway. So I wasn't following the news

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<v Speaker 1>that closely this week, But what has been on my

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<v Speaker 1>Andrews called the Great Feminization that appeared on Compact. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a backstory to this very briefly. Helen was until

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<v Speaker 1>recently the editor of the American Conservative magazine and she

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<v Speaker 1>was fired and the magazine's gone weird. And we'll leave

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<v Speaker 1>that story for another time. But I think she's very

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<v Speaker 1>talented and Lucretia, you remember we interviewed her a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago at the Philadelphia Society about her book. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>about her book Attacking Baby Boomers, which I love because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a self loathing baby boomer, and I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>very bright and very talented. And the article really is

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<v Speaker 1>the adaptation of a speech she gave John. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>may not follow this at the latest National Conservatism Conference. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>most of those speeches, they put them all up on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>For some reason, her speech the Great Feminization went viral

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<v Speaker 1>and it's up to something like one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand views. So that's clearly totally different from the other.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know they have famous people of that Jadie Vance,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Peter Thiel, but Helen has been the big

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<v Speaker 1>breakout star of this last meeting. So the Great Feminization,

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<v Speaker 1>you might guess for the title is it's an attack

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<v Speaker 1>on feminism. And how is that new, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people like Christina Hoff Summers and others have been doing

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth Amendment. This is her Bailey Wick, right, But the

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<v Speaker 1>point is he's saying, you know, people say WOKERI is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cultural Marxism, almost leftist dogma. And she says

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<v Speaker 1>that that's all true. But she says, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually feminism and not feminism the ideology. But too many

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<v Speaker 1>women in high places. She's that blood about it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>convey the whole article early on. All cancelizations are feminine.

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<v Speaker 1>Cancel culture is simply what women do whenever there are

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<v Speaker 1>the masculine, empathy over rationality, safety over risk, cohesion over competition.

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<v Speaker 1>or a result of post Obama illusionment. It is simply

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<v Speaker 1>on you for this next part because very germane. A

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes on through other feels like medicine and

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<v Speaker 1>corporate management, and then John says, this the field that

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<v Speaker 1>legal profession becoming majority female. Lucasia, I'll let you have

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I actually think that her strongest argument is in

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<v Speaker 2>of law, to put it over, simplified, been replaced by

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<v Speaker 2>feminist feminine empathy and rather than you know, color blind

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<v Speaker 2>it's empathy. I have to feel sorry for this criminal

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<v Speaker 2>a really strong one. Before I go on, let me

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<v Speaker 3>No I mean, I I wasn't persuaded by the article.

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<v Speaker 3>So for some two reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>as a group, is her point. Women think in this

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<v Speaker 3>a rule of lawwegh. I've met if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>the justices on the Supreme Court. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you have some women on the Supreme Court who today

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<v Speaker 3>who you know, probably like balancing more. But there's a

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<v Speaker 3>woman in the majority who doesn't. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>and certainly these divides were on the Supreme Court when

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<v Speaker 3>they were all men. I don't I don't think they're

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, I you know, she referred to a

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<v Speaker 3>and said like men were warriors and women who fought

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<v Speaker 3>and tried to take resources from, you know, the hostile environment,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a thin read to make these broad

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<v Speaker 3>professional setting. That just hasn't been my experience in the law.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the second thing is, suppose she's right that

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<v Speaker 3>women and men in law or these other professions do

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<v Speaker 3>think fundamentally differently. It still doesn't. It could be you

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<v Speaker 3>know what you call you know, they call it an

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<v Speaker 3>independent variable problem. There could be something else causing changes

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<v Speaker 3>and institutions. And so maybe the law changed in a

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<v Speaker 3>certain way first, and then women started going into law

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<v Speaker 3>because the law had changed already because of something else.

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<v Speaker 3>If I was to attribute these problems, it wouldn't because

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<v Speaker 3>of gender. I think it would be because of race.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's been this corrupting influence of affirmative action

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<v Speaker 3>in particular that change law schools and change the nature

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<v Speaker 3>of the legal profession. Because if you are determined that

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<v Speaker 3>you to have a certain percentage of minorities or any

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<v Speaker 3>groups in law school, regardless of their relative merits in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of testing grades and so on, then you have

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<v Speaker 3>to start eliminating grading systems, and you have to make

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<v Speaker 3>the classroom less tough, because the tougher it is and

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<v Speaker 3>the more grades you are, that it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>more obvious who should be there and who shouldn't. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that process is not gender related. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's a corrupting effect on that affirmative action and its

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<v Speaker 3>attack on merit has had in the law. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>I saw, not that there were more women in my

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<v Speaker 3>law school classes. That caused a lot of my colleagues,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, to give up on teaching class in the

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<v Speaker 3>Socratic method. I still teach class and the Socratic method.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, people are shocked when I described, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I call on basically one student for the cases for

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<v Speaker 3>a whole class, and I ask the questions the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>People seem shy. That's the way it was when I

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that's the way law school was when I graduated.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it was the presence of women that

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<v Speaker 3>changed most colleagues to start using the you know, lazy

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<v Speaker 3>undergraduate method you two favor, which is just lecturing to

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<v Speaker 3>the students and going on and on and then let

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<v Speaker 2>So many of our classes. But I don't necessarily disagree,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think you're doing the same thing that she's

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<v Speaker 2>guilty of, which is attributing all of these things to

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of single, uh causation. And I actually think

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<v Speaker 2>it goes deeper than that. I think that all of

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<v Speaker 2>these things are effects causing further effects. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's that the rule of law was destroyed

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<v Speaker 2>by say, uh, what's it called critical legal theory, the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that there is no rationality to the law that

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<v Speaker 2>there is. You know that it's impossible, for instance, for

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<v Speaker 2>deciding some kind of appellate issue, to be rational and

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<v Speaker 2>objective in all of those things. It's just impossible that

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<v Speaker 2>according to critical legal theory. And once you have conceded that,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course is an outgrowth itself of progressivism, then

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes very easy to adopt things like affirmative action

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<v Speaker 2>and critical race theory and feminist empathy. That part I

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<v Speaker 2>had to agree with her, whether again it's a cause

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<v Speaker 2>er and effect. It's one of the reasons why I

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<v Speaker 2>have a really hard time stomaching women most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a few that I can they're wonderful your wife,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, Steve Janice Rogers Brown. There are others, but

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<v Speaker 2>the View, the View. Yeah, and so there's something to

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<v Speaker 2>what she's saying, and there's also something to what she's

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<v Speaker 2>warning against. Again, Steve's gonna post this. But when she

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<v Speaker 2>calls it that it was done by social engineering, that

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of initiative was feminist initiative was forced on

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<v Speaker 2>us by social engineering, I think it's kind of the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>That social engineering had these goals and feminism was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that helped it get there. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that her her analysis of the workplace is

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<v Speaker 2>not altogether inaccurate. You know, think about it. You really

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<v Speaker 2>can't have pinups, and you can't you can't tell dirty jokes,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't. What you can't do is create an unsafe

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<v Speaker 2>environment or a a hostile workplace. You know, I've told

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<v Speaker 2>the story many times. When I was a graduate student,

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<v Speaker 2>more than one professor had a slightly insulting, slightly affectionate

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<v Speaker 2>both nickname for me. Tricksy's right, they called you tricksy. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd want to call me bright eyes, you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>I mean like like the Monkey and like the Monkey

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<v Speaker 4>and the movie like right, yeah, okay, it's not affectionate,

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<v Speaker 4>that's insulting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they might, and I'm sure that in many cases

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<v Speaker 2>it probably was intended to be insulting. My point is

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<v Speaker 2>crying to the to the provost or the dean or

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<v Speaker 2>something and say, oh, but you know, I'm a little

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<v Speaker 2>tougher than your average female. In case you didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that we were wondering, you know, that was an open question.

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<v Speaker 3>But we should we should we be kicking Should we

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<v Speaker 3>be kicking you off the podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? If I take article, Yes, yes you should. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm much more I'm much more on the manly

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<v Speaker 2>side than our good friend David french Is. We'll come

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<v Speaker 2>back to that. Let me let me come back. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me give you one other thing. When I was in

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is that Larry Peterman?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, absolutely, why exactly why because that would have

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<v Speaker 2>been uh gender, you know, outdated gender roles, and it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been you know, advancing some notion of female

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<v Speaker 2>inferiority and blah blah blah. And I was forty years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not like this happened yesterday. But but it

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<v Speaker 2>is different. You mentioned Charles Murray earlier to me, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the most amazing things that I heard in

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<v Speaker 2>person from Charles Murray, again probably forty five years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about the legally defining and punishing sexual harassment

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<v Speaker 2>and all of the difficulties attendant to that, which you

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<v Speaker 2>that females believe everyone who says I've been sexually assaulted

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<v Speaker 2>has to be believed, et cetera, et cetera. But Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Murray said something really interesting. He said, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>always been women in the workplace. They've always been subject

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<v Speaker 2>to the boars and the you know, the crude guys,

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<v Speaker 2>the guys with no class, et cetera, et cetera. What

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<v Speaker 2>happened in the old days. They didn't go to HR

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<v Speaker 2>and say I mean sexually harassed. They went to their

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<v Speaker 2>they went to their brother, They went to their father,

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<v Speaker 2>and the father showed up and punched the guy in

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<v Speaker 1>Well or oh yeah, this is sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Murray said, go, yeah, well, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, this is what my mother and mother My mother, well,

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<v Speaker 1>my mother and my mother in law both said the

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<v Speaker 1>and then it never happened again. Now I mentioned this.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember I got in trouble for this ten years

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<v Speaker 1>ago when I was at Colorado and I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem with all these bureaucracies is, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>there's some bad behavior at a frat party over the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and you run to HR on Monday, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>bad remedy because then now it comes a bureaucratic, drawn

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<v Speaker 1>out thing. I said, women should just slap some guy

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<v Speaker 1>who's out of line and the oh and I was

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<v Speaker 1>on an NBR station that was another mistake I made.

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<v Speaker 1>The eruption was unbelievable. I had faculty saying, this crazy

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<v Speaker 1>conservative professor is advocating violence, And my response was, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought self defense was a basic principle of lockey in liberalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Have we lost that completely?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that's where we are. That was the old

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<v Speaker 1>remedy and it worked, and now that we want to

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<v Speaker 1>make it some kind of process, it doesn't work worth

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<v Speaker 1>a dog, no.

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<v Speaker 3>But did you rather have so one? I think David

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<v Speaker 3>French has a good point, which is it's got to

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<v Speaker 3>be the case that our society is better off with

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<v Speaker 3>the large number of women we have in the workplace

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<v Speaker 3>today and in the you know, opportunity, higher levels of

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<v Speaker 3>the jobs they can have than it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>pre nineteen seventies. Mean, I just think that's undeniably better

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<v Speaker 3>for our society that half the population can now be

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<v Speaker 3>fully part of the workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not too well, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, go ahead, let John.

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<v Speaker 3>Enharmis under you have ununi, you have underutilized resources in

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<v Speaker 3>our population. If half the people are going to be

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<v Speaker 3>subject to discrimination various kinds, it keeps them out of

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<v Speaker 3>different jobs. I mean, it's like it's just better. It's

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<v Speaker 3>more productive for society for everybody too, So that's one

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's right about that. Well, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>hear your counttercase two. If you are going to start

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<v Speaker 3>having large amounts of women in the workplace, then you

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<v Speaker 3>are going to have a lot more friction between the sexes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'd rather have rules that might be legal rather

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<v Speaker 3>than people slapping the crap out of each other left

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<v Speaker 3>and right. Okay, you're just going to have larger numbers

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<v Speaker 3>of these interactions. Unfortunately, you're going to have to have

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<v Speaker 3>more rules. And I don't think that you know, relying

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<v Speaker 3>on minor violence kid. I mean, maybe it worked when

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<v Speaker 3>there were less women in the workplace, but we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to fifty percent of the workplace pe women. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that that that's a that you can run a

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<v Speaker 3>system that way.

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<v Speaker 2>And both women have to change behavior. I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to say that I'm going to let you Steve, But

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<v Speaker 2>in both cases you have to change behavior. Which one

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<v Speaker 2>works better? And that's the question. You've changed people's behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>I never accused my PhD advisor of treating me like

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<v Speaker 2>a sex slave or anything like that, but at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, he was already completely conditioned to the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't let your graduate student get you coffee

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<v Speaker 2>because then you'll be a sexist, you know, patriarchal pig

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<v Speaker 2>change behavior. How best to do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Steve, I'm well so, first of all, so John,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone disagrees with your basic point that

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<v Speaker 1>we now have a lot more talented women in the

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<v Speaker 1>workplace whose talents are not used that may be their

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<v Speaker 1>highest and best use. However, I think the real cause

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<v Speaker 1>of that was not feminism. You know, this is all

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<v Speaker 1>glural power and his whole business has grown up as

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<v Speaker 1>a feminist resolution revolution values. No, it was the washing

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<v Speaker 1>machine that made this possible. I actually mean that literally. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the washing machines a metaphor, right, and look up someday

485
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<v Speaker 1>this wonderful video by the Swedish demographer named Hans Rosling,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's about the washing machine, and it's about how

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<v Speaker 1>liberated women and that's what made so. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if you point out that it is technology that has

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<v Speaker 1>made it possible for women to enter the workplace to

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<v Speaker 1>a feminist, they go absolutely berserk out of their minds.

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<v Speaker 1>They hate that idea, right, So that's point number one before.

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<v Speaker 2>One can I just illustrate that point. I used to

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<v Speaker 2>tell my students reading the part in Jefferson in the

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<v Speaker 2>Notes on the State of Virginia where he says it

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<v Speaker 2>is civilization alone which has brought women into the enjoyment

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<v Speaker 2>of their natural equality. And I would tell them exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what you just said, which is before technology, before civilization,

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<v Speaker 2>and that you know, there's more to it than just

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<v Speaker 2>the technology part. But I'll keep it to your analogy.

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<v Speaker 2>I can. I can come home and cook dinner for

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<v Speaker 2>my family after working a ten hour day. Why because

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<v Speaker 2>hominos no, no, no, actually cook a dinner. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to go kill a chicken. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>your you know, and I don't have to feed them

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<v Speaker 2>at four o'clock in the you know. There's all of

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<v Speaker 2>these things.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just technology though, because there are lots of

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<v Speaker 3>countries to day which have access to that technology don't

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<v Speaker 3>have the same level of women in the workforce. So

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<v Speaker 3>we do although the same amount of right opportunities and

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<v Speaker 3>ability to be professors or.

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<v Speaker 2>For women.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now wait a minute, John, that's an interesting point.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to let us say more patriarchal societies,

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<v Speaker 1>say in the Middle.

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<v Speaker 3>East, like Pakistan or likes like South Korea and Japan,

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<v Speaker 3>although Japan just had its first right female ministry. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you talk to people in those countries, which

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<v Speaker 3>are you know, technologically maybe even more events in ours,

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<v Speaker 3>they have very few women at the upper echelons society

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<v Speaker 3>organized that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well, this is going to get us too far

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<v Speaker 1>off on a tangent. But I think if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at places like Pakistan, you'll find that smart talented women

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<v Speaker 1>go into the sciences, they don't go into gender studies.

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<v Speaker 5>And there's something we said about all that that's a

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<v Speaker 5>that's a lot of story with that. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's a combination of both. And I just don't I

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<v Speaker 5>don't see what country would you rather be than.

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<v Speaker 1>Us in this world?

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<v Speaker 3>Then?

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<v Speaker 1>Well think about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it's better here has imperfection, it

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<v Speaker 3>has imperfections, But right, which country is actually better in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of balancing having more movement in the workplace?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we have maybe gone to we went too

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<v Speaker 3>far with wokeism, but I think the basic rules are

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<v Speaker 3>good for everybody, men and women, and it's been.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me point to the second as Let me second

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<v Speaker 1>point of the second aspect of why I think the

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<v Speaker 1>story is important and why this debate. We can go

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<v Speaker 1>back to this, by the way, in future episodes. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>my analogy. You know, I'm baiting Lucretia here and see John.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is starting to remind me of Ed

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<v Speaker 1>Meese in the late eighties picking the fight over rigial intent. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if the left and the legal academy had ignored him,

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<v Speaker 1>it might have gone away. Instead, you had Supreme Court

549
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<v Speaker 1>justices and law reviews and prominent people freaking out and saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is terrible, we can't and that ignites a debate

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<v Speaker 1>on original intent or originalism that the left lost. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just David French. Hold on, he said, what

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<v Speaker 1>is it to be? Well, here's the point is her

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<v Speaker 1>article has elicited a huge response from the left. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you know David French, who say he's a conservative.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in the New York Times. His article is we

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<v Speaker 1>have met the enemy of civilization and it's women. Hold

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<v Speaker 1>that for a moment. A lot of smart lefties like

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Iglesias and others saying, no, this is terrible, this

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<v Speaker 1>is ridiculous. Is this is where the right is going?

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<v Speaker 1>This is awful? There a couple of people have actually

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<v Speaker 1>chimed up and said her article could have been more substantive.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's some journal articles with the typical peer reviewed

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<v Speaker 1>statistical analysis to show some important statistical differences between men

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<v Speaker 1>and women that are relevant. So the point is, I

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<v Speaker 1>think she's touching off bait. So there's David French, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'll end with this and let you take

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<v Speaker 1>it from here. Lucas, you got a little hand of

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<v Speaker 1>me on this. She provoked. See, I actually did French.

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<v Speaker 1>She is pretty good. That's a good slip. David French's

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<v Speaker 1>column we have met the enemy of a civilization, that's women.

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<v Speaker 1>It provoked Charles Murray to a tweet. And you know, Charlie,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Charles, he's a pretty mild mannered guy. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what his tweet said. I am still waiting to read

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<v Speaker 1>something by David French that doesn't irritate me. Even when

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with the substance, The sanctimony drives me nuts. Amen,

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<v Speaker 1>that's mindsert continue with Charles in this case, I wholly

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<v Speaker 1>disagree with his take on Helen Andrews.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Charles brings a lot of batistics and learned

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<v Speaker 1>social reflections to these kind of debates. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is the beginning of something. I host the beginning of something,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it could get wild and wooly. But who

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<v Speaker 1>thought that?

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<v Speaker 2>This?

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<v Speaker 3>All I know is law, So I mean the legal

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<v Speaker 3>profession all that well, in this period where this has

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<v Speaker 3>allegedly been happening, originalism has arisen. Right, if this started

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<v Speaker 3>in the seventies, this is actually during this period where

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<v Speaker 3>women were allegedly weakening standards in the law and introducing

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<v Speaker 3>all this huggy, touchy feely stuff in the law. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the same period where originalism has kind of driven

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<v Speaker 3>out all this stuff from the Warren Court, which is

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<v Speaker 3>where a lot of these attributes happened. And we have

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<v Speaker 3>a conservative Supreme Court. We've overturned the Harvard Harvard overturned

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<v Speaker 3>right back right, we overturned roversus. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>understand where all this corruption is occurring. When to me,

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<v Speaker 3>during the same time period where this is allegedly happening,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the legal profession from our perspective, has vastly

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<v Speaker 3>improved from the way it was before. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you want to change it back?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you want to change it to there.

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<v Speaker 2>You brought her up as an example of someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>not some whiny cry baby feminists.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say.

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<v Speaker 2>So. The other three are, okay. Remember what she said

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<v Speaker 2>about January sixth that no, excuse me, I take it

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<v Speaker 2>back about George Floyd that she and her eight children

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<v Speaker 2>held hands, cried and prayed because they were all so

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<v Speaker 2>empathetic about what happened to George Floyd. If that is

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<v Speaker 2>not he was all I'm sorry that a drug addicted

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<v Speaker 2>felon violent criminal died an unfortunate death. I would certainly

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<v Speaker 2>didn't discuss it holding hands with my children and cry

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but you know, Lucretia John has a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a point here. I can't be a reaction. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we have. There are a lot of great originalist female judges,

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<v Speaker 1>our friends, Edith Jones, Alice Batch Elder, there's Janice Rogers Brown, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember she says that. Helen says that, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like I'm a better shot than you two, even

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<v Speaker 2>though I think men are mostly better shots than women are.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, you never that is that is that has not

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<v Speaker 3>been proven. There you go with your touchy feeling, non

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<v Speaker 3>fact based.

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<v Speaker 2>Reality because you are too afraid to challenge me.

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<v Speaker 3>I just believe in automatic weapons. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>be a good shot, just spray everything with bullets.

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<v Speaker 2>I think originalism is a reaction to this stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an attempt to say empathy has no place in a courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>It might have some place in a pardon, but it

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<v Speaker 2>has And maybe a judge at the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>day looks at a woman who uh lit the house

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<v Speaker 2>on fire when her husband after beat her senseless, uh God,

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<v Speaker 2>because he was drunk, and and she lights the house

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<v Speaker 2>on fire and burns him up and burns him to death.

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<v Speaker 2>If the judge wants to have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>empathy for a situation like that, that's not what I

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<v Speaker 2>would call well feminism.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me restate the thesis and then move on to

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<v Speaker 1>another topic, which is uh. I'll put it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>My thesis is she's touched off a debate that may

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<v Speaker 1>go somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And second, this is why.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand. I don't think so because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>see what is supposed to change. Well, all right, let

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<v Speaker 3>me it's an I legal perfision. What would we change?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me do with her.

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<v Speaker 3>You would like sell and I have quotas on women

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<v Speaker 3>and the.

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<v Speaker 1>How associates, Well, you put you mentioned, you mentioned it, John,

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<v Speaker 1>we go back to the aggressive socratic method of classroom teaching,

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<v Speaker 1>which a lot of not just women actually but the

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<v Speaker 1>men who've been feminized object to. But the second point

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<v Speaker 1>is this is an argument that you couldn't say five

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<v Speaker 1>years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, and now I've heard people argue about this in

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<v Speaker 3>the law for a while now because it was a

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<v Speaker 3>big women become a majority of the law schools, and

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<v Speaker 3>people do talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But but now it's breaking up her opening salvo. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>what that was the Summers making the comment that there's,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some actual biological differences between men and women,

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<v Speaker 2>And what's the reaction. It's not somebody pulling out their

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<v Speaker 2>their med cat M cat scores or you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is my research and it's Oh my god, I ahs fainted.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I was so upset. Oh my god. That is

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<v Speaker 2>just a perfect microcosm of modern academia, feminine academia. Let me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so upset you said I wasn't equal.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we get our ai parody? Let me let

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<v Speaker 1>me add it this way for listeners who don't know

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<v Speaker 1>lucretions referring to Helen begins the article by recalling the

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<v Speaker 1>firing of Larry Summers for saying, was it twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>ago now that there may be a difference in aptitudes

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<v Speaker 1>and dispositions about math and science between men and women?

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<v Speaker 1>That is statistically true? And for that the Harvard faculty

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<v Speaker 1>voted no confidence and the Board of Overseers with the

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<v Speaker 1>Board of Governors forced him out as president. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure that would happen right now. Maybe it would. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought Howard Somers was kind of a coward for surrendering

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<v Speaker 1>so easily, But.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not would say it either.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he wouldn't say it he in a normal lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other people. But now maybe people will see, all right, look,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have some fun with other stuff, because there's some

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<v Speaker 1>fun stuff in the news this week, not so much

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<v Speaker 1>about issues and you know, legal issues. John. But first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, well, I don't know, we want to spend

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time on this. But last weekend we

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<v Speaker 1>had the great No Kings rallies, and I want our

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<v Speaker 1>team to have a No Parliament's rallies. That's a response

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<v Speaker 1>No Kings. I don't know. I mean, you have any guys,

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<v Speaker 1>have anything you want to say about all that spectacle.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the usual protest that Trump is president and

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<v Speaker 1>so what butter Joan Biez concert. Okay, that's good, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but more interesting to me and I guess there's a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny legal angle of this is the way people are

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<v Speaker 1>freaking out about Trump's construction of the ballroom at the

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<v Speaker 1>White House.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I find that so bizarre, isn't it. I just,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's understand why people are so freaked out

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just going I think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a shutdown, to be honest with you, I really do,

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<v Speaker 2>even though that's not always the perspective that the anti

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<v Speaker 2>ballroom left is bringing out. I think it is a

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<v Speaker 2>to distract attention away from the shutdown, or to try

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<v Speaker 2>and make the argument because all the polls now say

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump's Trump's approval ratings are up, that looks like

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats are going to end up actually being the

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<v Speaker 2>ones blamed for the shutdown. They're trying desperately, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not working. People. You know, people don't really feel sorry

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<v Speaker 2>for someone who's Obamacare subsidies are going to triple, because

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<v Speaker 2>they recognize what a disaster Obamacare was in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's because here's what you can do.

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<v Speaker 2>You can lie about it, as the left always does,

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<v Speaker 2>and say, in the middle of a shutdown and people

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<v Speaker 2>aren't getting paid, Trump is spending two hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>on a gold ballroom, you know, just because he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in power, and he's not leaving in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight because he's building himself a gold ballroom. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that they're just hoping against you know, Chelsea Clinton

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<v Speaker 2>had the unmitigated gall to come out today and say

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<v Speaker 2>that that Trump is desecrating the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, really really really went on that. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>to live in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Seems to me a sign of weakness because if this

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<v Speaker 3>is the issue of contention on the part of the left,

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<v Speaker 3>then they're really not prepared to debate policy. They're just

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<v Speaker 3>like they're giving It's almost like a sign like they're

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<v Speaker 3>giving up. If that's the kind of thing they're really

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<v Speaker 3>making their case on is because we're not there, absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think someone said, like, after it's finished, no one's

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<v Speaker 3>going to remember I look much better White House.

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<v Speaker 2>How many how many times has the White House been renovated?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah a lot, Yes, maybe the first those friends weren't

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<v Speaker 2>there before been there since the forties. This may be

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<v Speaker 2>the first time where the entire thing was financed by

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<v Speaker 2>private donors, including Trump himself. Yeah, it's only two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars if you're a billionaire, it's not that big

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<v Speaker 2>of a deal. By the way, there's a billionaire.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like as usual, they're getting ripped off the contractors.

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<v Speaker 3>I could do it for ten million. Jeez, well you

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<v Speaker 3>just give just give that to Marco Rubio to do too.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't, I won't. Right now, go through the reasons why.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's actually a good logic from eating a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>events space at the White House for steak dinners and

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<v Speaker 1>other things. And and you know, Trump's absolutely right about that,

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<v Speaker 1>but other people thought so too. They've improvised by putting tents.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the grass is wet, you' you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>women's high heels, it's the big problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, much more difficult, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, I mean I told that I did

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago. You get to go to a state dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're pretty small, intimate affairs because the White House

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<v Speaker 1>facilities are not big enough to have big crowds. And

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you want bigger crowds for those things. So okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so that's kind of silly to watch the

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<v Speaker 1>intensity of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's just doing it because of the former

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<v Speaker 2>Doze employee that got beat up, you know, and he

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<v Speaker 2>needs a place to fit everything. I'll just leave it

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<v Speaker 2>at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I do as one of you just said something significant,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, look, all the polls show that the Democrats'

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<v Speaker 1>strongest issue is healthcare. They kind of own that issue.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it's true that Obamacare premiums will go way

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<v Speaker 1>up without extending the Biden subsidies that were reckless to

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<v Speaker 1>begin with. I think I'm hearing a policy I'm being

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<v Speaker 1>a policy wont here. I think Republicans are missing a

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<v Speaker 1>major opportunity and or responsibility to go on the attack

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<v Speaker 1>and say Obamacare has failed. We need to start over

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<v Speaker 1>again and have real reform. But I've always had a

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<v Speaker 1>this sounds this will sound LUCRETIONI like something John might say,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I've long thought for years, just the way

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<v Speaker 1>politics falls out for decades, and let me finish both

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<v Speaker 1>parties here, that only Republicans can fix healthcare because they're

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<v Speaker 1>a party that is more competent with all the market

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<v Speaker 1>based logic, you would need to have a real healthcare marketplace. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's if democrats'll let them, right, and that's a big

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<v Speaker 1>problem with our gridlock in politics. The reverse is also true.

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<v Speaker 1>Only Democrats can fix entitlements like Medicare and Social Security

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<v Speaker 1>if they want to, which I'm not sure they do,

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<v Speaker 1>and if Republicans will let them, because Republicans will be

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<v Speaker 1>against well in the case of Medicare tax increases, because

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<v Speaker 1>the Medicare tax has always been too low from the

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<v Speaker 1>very beginning. And Okay, I'll just stop there and say

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<v Speaker 1>that to me, has always been the political landscape of

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<v Speaker 1>these things, and Republicans ought to go first and say

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<v Speaker 1>we want to fix healthcare. Are you with us or not?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you blame the Democrats for blocking a healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>reform that would work. I will say one more thing

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<v Speaker 1>to annoy Lucretia. The guy who actually had the right

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<v Speaker 1>idea on this was John McCain in two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>except it wasn't his idea and he never could explain

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<v Speaker 1>it because he got it from Douglas holtz econ a

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<v Speaker 1>very competent policy WONK. But we ought to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to that, and I'll stop there because it gets wonky.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I think Republicans are missing a huge opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I had something interesting this morning to take what you

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<v Speaker 2>said a step further, and this was the premise of

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<v Speaker 2>the article. It was a real clear investigations kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was about how Maha make America healthy again

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<v Speaker 2>was the key to Republicans maintaining the House in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six and perhaps the sentence Senate, and that if

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<v Speaker 2>they could get Republicans in congressional districts to embrace Maha.

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<v Speaker 2>Do people say Maha, Yeah, well, okay, the same way

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump and has has embraced it because the Maha

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<v Speaker 2>moms out there are the new soccer moms, and that

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<v Speaker 2>this particular uh, you know, it's not monolithic in what

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<v Speaker 2>Maha means, but you know, some skepticism about vaccines, overdoing

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<v Speaker 2>vaccine means, artificial ingredients in foods, junk foods, overprocessed foods,

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<v Speaker 2>lack of exercise, too many medicines for made up conditions,

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<v Speaker 2>all of those things, pesticides growing in the food. The

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<v Speaker 2>MAHA movement doesn't necessarily join on all of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact that Trump is paying attention to them,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that RFK is out there trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>something about it, that this could actually give Republicans back

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<v Speaker 2>to what tying it into what you were saying, Steve

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to take the initiative on healthcare and say

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<v Speaker 2>we're about making America healthy again, not just about paying

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<v Speaker 2>more and more and more and more for useless medical

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<v Speaker 2>treatments that make people sicker. And so it was an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting perspective. I don't know, you know, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more subtlety to it than what I just gave it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if Republicans could actually be seen as the party

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<v Speaker 2>that cares about the health of Americans. And you'll notice

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<v Speaker 2>whenever trolls like Mark Kelly come out with their nonsense,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to use big girl words today and not

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<v Speaker 2>usual adjectives that you know, Republicans don't care about Americans healthcare. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't about healthcare at all. It's about more money

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<v Speaker 2>to those medical health insurance companies who drew up Obamacare

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place, got exactly what they wanted with it.

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<v Speaker 2>They want more money to ensure Americans. It's not about healthcare.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody's getting any less sick because of Obamacare these days,

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<v Speaker 2>and if Republicans would just run with that, they could

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00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 2>abolish Obamacare. John was shaking his head, Yes, that needs

840
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to be done, and they could actually figure out ways

841
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:52.559
<v Speaker 2>to make America healthy.

842
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:54.800
<v Speaker 1>So there.

843
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 2>It was okay for Melior.

844
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<v Speaker 3>There's an interesting study out right showed not by any

845
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 3>partisan people but just scholars who showed that all that

846
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:10.920
<v Speaker 3>increased in spending and Obamacare didn't improve health outcomes. So

847
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 3>sad we've wasted trillions of dollars. Yeah, and you know

848
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.079
<v Speaker 3>the money that's at stake with the lockdown is just

849
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.719
<v Speaker 3>extra subsidies egoing beyond Obamacare that were just to be

850
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 3>short term because of COVID. Yeah, and there I don't

851
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.239
<v Speaker 3>know what I think of. I mean, I don't really

852
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.039
<v Speaker 3>trust Robert Kenny and the MAHA stuff, but that's I

853
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.840
<v Speaker 3>think independent of Can't we just go to the American

854
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:38.159
<v Speaker 3>people just say this has been a policy failure, wasted

855
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.880
<v Speaker 3>trillions of dollars, and I think the political support is there.

856
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Remember that Trump only came within one vote in the

857
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:47.280
<v Speaker 3>Senate of getting Obamacare overruled thanks to John McCain.

858
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Right, And who is that vote?

859
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Right?

860
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

861
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I mean at least in twenty right, that's

862
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 3>twenty seventeen and eighteen. You had just one vote short

863
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:01.480
<v Speaker 3>of a supermajority to get rid of Obamacare. Yeah, it's

864
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:04.519
<v Speaker 3>just but unfortunately, like there's other entitlement programs. Once the

865
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:08.800
<v Speaker 3>middle classes getting subsidized with these government benefits, it's hard

866
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 3>to uproot them. I mean, isn't there like studies which

867
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:17.119
<v Speaker 3>say there's only like one or two tiny programs entitlement

868
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 3>programs that have ever been undone by Congress.

869
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Every time.

870
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.840
<v Speaker 3>It just gets everyone to dictate the free stuff which

871
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:27.199
<v Speaker 3>is not free. It's politically impossible to get rid of them.

872
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.079
<v Speaker 3>And that he sounds like what's happened with Obamacare. It's

873
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:31.880
<v Speaker 3>probably what Obama intended all along.

874
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Of course, Well, yeah, it.

875
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Would move even further in the direction of universal single

876
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 2>payer it.

877
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Wanted to fail. Is the Cloward pivots strategy. It's been

878
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:44.239
<v Speaker 1>famously called for years. Perhaps let's do this. Let's move

879
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.679
<v Speaker 1>to our Babylon B segment of the show, because our

880
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:51.679
<v Speaker 1>our ah, oh no, hold on, hold on, let me

881
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.559
<v Speaker 1>keep going, our AI parody segment we've been closing with

882
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.840
<v Speaker 1>is actually a separate topic of its own. It won't

883
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 1>take long, but there's an interesting wrinkle to it today,

884
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.519
<v Speaker 1>so that's why it will still be a regular links show. So, Lucritia,

885
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:05.559
<v Speaker 1>what are our Babylon bes?

886
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, before I get to the Babylon Bees, I've been

887
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:10.880
<v Speaker 2>saving this for you, Steve since this morning. I've been

888
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:16.239
<v Speaker 2>cackling and rubbing my hands like this. So somebody you know,

889
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Michael Lynde, Oh yeah, unheard, Yeah, says.

890
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Turn to the mic.

891
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry. Let me move this over so I

892
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:27.800
<v Speaker 2>can read it.

893
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Then.

894
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Plenty of other grave parallels have been drawn of late

895
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:35.159
<v Speaker 2>with the First and Second World Wars. Yet one hundred

896
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 2>and eleven years after the first began and eighty years

897
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.280
<v Speaker 2>after the second ended, perhaps it's time we dropped the analogies.

898
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.719
<v Speaker 2>That three decade cataclysm will surely never be forgotten. But

899
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.719
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to thinking about and making foreign policy,

900
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.679
<v Speaker 2>these conflicts provide few, if any, lessons of history that

901
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 2>are of value in today's world. On the contrary, these parallels,

902
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:03.480
<v Speaker 2>whether drawn by history dotorians, pundits, or policymakers, are likely

903
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.440
<v Speaker 2>to do more harm than good as they seek to

904
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>impose anachronistic patterns on the realities of today.

905
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<v Speaker 1>Well, this won't be my first rodeo with Michael Lynd,

906
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 1>who I do know of it and I have tangled

907
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:18.039
<v Speaker 1>with sharply before. Did I send you, guys my lady

908
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 1>about Sean what idiot? What idiots said that?

909
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who that is, Michael.

910
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:24.800
<v Speaker 1>You don't know who Michael lind is. See you just.

911
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I's smart.

912
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.559
<v Speaker 2>The really disappointing thing was you didn't make a single

913
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:33.559
<v Speaker 2>analogy today.

914
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.159
<v Speaker 1>I did too. I did an analogy to me an

915
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.440
<v Speaker 1>original intent. He started off.

916
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.119
<v Speaker 3>He kicked off with the analogy see it for the middle, but.

917
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:45.679
<v Speaker 1>The whole piece, and then I'll send it to you

918
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 1>guys quickly.

919
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.239
<v Speaker 3>We should make analogies to World War one and two?

920
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:54.639
<v Speaker 1>What an idiot? Well, by the way, I took it

921
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.760
<v Speaker 1>out of context, so I'll go read it. But what

922
00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you gave me sounds pretty bad. I can't imagine the context.

923
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:06.440
<v Speaker 1>It was about appeasement and oh well he's a lightweight

924
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:06.679
<v Speaker 1>on that.

925
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Because never mind, I think that was totally unfair to

926
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 2>spring on you guys, But I think I didn't.

927
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 1>I send to both of you guys my my response

928
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.679
<v Speaker 1>to Sean mckeekon that has not been published yet, and

929
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 1>so listeners will know. Okay, Well, let's hold that for

930
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.800
<v Speaker 1>now because when it comes out, when it comes out,

931
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:29.239
<v Speaker 1>will be a big deal. That's okay, I didn't want Yeah, good, good,

932
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:29.679
<v Speaker 1>good good.

933
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Next, No, King's protest to end by four pm so

934
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 2>everyone can get home in time for Matt Locke. This

935
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:43.639
<v Speaker 2>is my personal favorite. Worse and worse. Platner also has

936
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:44.760
<v Speaker 2>a nickelback tattoo.

937
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh for that, Steve, Yeah, he's the guy running for

938
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 1>the Senate in Maine, a Democrat wh apparently has.

939
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.039
<v Speaker 3>A nickelback tattoo. I mean I gets a Nazi tattoo.

940
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, he's running for the Senate as a Democrat

941
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.440
<v Speaker 1>in Maine, and he has a Nazi tattoo and nickelback.

942
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.840
<v Speaker 1>John As, you had another of the many blank spots

943
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 1>in your cultural knowledge. But we'll let that go for now.

944
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:06.039
<v Speaker 2>It's me.

945
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.639
<v Speaker 3>For everything upstairs, you got to prioritize, that's true. So

946
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.440
<v Speaker 3>much stuff going on about Taylor Swift upstairs? Do you

947
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:16.559
<v Speaker 3>have time to think about it?

948
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:20.880
<v Speaker 2>The loub announces they have installed a ring camera.

949
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 1>That's good.

950
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I thought you'd like that.

951
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:27.719
<v Speaker 3>That's good Trump.

952
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh sorry. White House construction crew finds one three and

953
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:39.119
<v Speaker 2>fifty seven more cocaine stashes right, Democrats enjoy their favorite

954
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 2>pastime of holding all white rallies.

955
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's.

956
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Where's the one. I got to go back to the top. Sorry,

957
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:54.280
<v Speaker 2>the really good one. Shoot it was. Sorry I've lost it,

958
00:52:54.360 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 2>but it's basically Trump is stopping deportations until the ballroom misconstructed.

959
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's why it's going to be so extensive.

960
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:06.119
<v Speaker 1>It takes so long.

961
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:16.119
<v Speaker 2>No, right, all right, Okay, there's all sorts of ones

962
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 2>about the Dodgers, but I don't want to get you

963
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.360
<v Speaker 2>too knowing on that, so I'll just let it go. Okay,

964
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and Steve Ais to death.

965
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's interapt the normal flow of things, John, because

966
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you followed all this. But I

967
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Speaker 1>had a person emailed me the other day, Personna real Well,

968
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.119
<v Speaker 1>and said, hey, I'm trying to find your article, and

969
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>he gave it title and the date was nineteen ninety eight,

970
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 1>and I thought, huh, I don't remember that title. And

971
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I looked for it and I can't find it either

972
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.000
<v Speaker 1>my own archives, you know, on my old hard drives

973
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.440
<v Speaker 1>that I have, or on the internet. And so I

974
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 1>finally wrote him back saying, by the way, the date's wrong.

975
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.599
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't working for AI in nineteen ninety eight is

976
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.079
<v Speaker 1>could this have been an excerpt from something? Could it

977
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:59.159
<v Speaker 1>have been a transcript from a panel? So no, it

978
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.119
<v Speaker 1>came up in an AI I search for your work

979
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.639
<v Speaker 1>on the environment. Oh, in other words, another AI not

980
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 1>fabrication but invention. So, as you know, John, there have

981
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.559
<v Speaker 1>been these several instances lately of judicial opinions at state courts,

982
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:16.000
<v Speaker 1>usually that got out with phony case citations, cases that

983
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.599
<v Speaker 1>don't exist. And this in the last few days I've

984
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:21.599
<v Speaker 1>heard or seen on Twitter and elsewhere several law professors

985
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:24.239
<v Speaker 1>people you and I know and Lucretian know who said,

986
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I keep hearing about a lot of you articles I've

987
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.039
<v Speaker 1>written that I've never written that AI have generated. So

988
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:34.880
<v Speaker 1>there's something going badly wrong here with all this AI stuff.

989
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.119
<v Speaker 3>That's all price scholars are probably doing better, probably better

990
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 3>off with this mistake, because their productivity would being weigh up.

991
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 2>It's called hallucinations.

992
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Well well there, you know though, that's I mean, that's the.

993
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Natural technical term when AI introduces when it makes something

994
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:58.320
<v Speaker 2>up that doesn't exist, which is actually I mean it's

995
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:03.440
<v Speaker 2>they're getting a little bit better time. But it's yeah,

996
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:08.400
<v Speaker 2>they're called hallucinations when you have faulty facts, faulty whatever

997
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:08.920
<v Speaker 2>it might be.

998
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, well that's preface, kind of preface to saying

999
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:15.960
<v Speaker 1>that I asked this week Rock, I moved on from

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00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.480
<v Speaker 1>chat GPT to GROCK and the prompt was produce a

1001
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:23.639
<v Speaker 1>satire of Lucretia in the style of Three Whiskey Happy Hour.

1002
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 1>And one it produced was really pretty boring and not

1003
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>very good at all. But if you gave a note,

1004
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>it's said, this insult. Well the way, there's the rescue itself.

1005
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:36.119
<v Speaker 1>When I gave a different prompt, So stay tuned, but

1006
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 1>it's say the note. This will convey some of the note.

1007
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.960
<v Speaker 1>This satirical article is written in the style of Lucretia,

1008
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the sharp tongue, quick witted persona from the Three Whiskey

1009
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Happy Hour podcasts, known for her biting humor and unapologetic takes. Well, well,

1010
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that's true, but kind of uninspiring. So then I went

1011
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:58.159
<v Speaker 1>back and said, not satire, produce a parody in the

1012
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.639
<v Speaker 1>style of Lucretia in the Three Whiskey Happy and it

1013
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:05.039
<v Speaker 1>produced a transcript of you know, an actual, actual podcast,

1014
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's a lot better. I'll just give you two

1015
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:11.920
<v Speaker 1>samples from it and I'm jumping in right in the middle. Lucretia. Oh, Steve,

1016
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.440
<v Speaker 1>your darn right, I'm itching. And it's not just because

1017
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.840
<v Speaker 1>John's wearing that hideous tie. Again, seriously, John, did you

1018
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:20.039
<v Speaker 1>pick that out of a law school lost and foult?

1019
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, and the subject was about it said that about

1020
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Steve's ties like that?

1021
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, but then that the made up subject was a

1022
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:34.960
<v Speaker 1>proposed department of meme regulation, and says so John, Now,

1023
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:38.400
<v Speaker 1>hold on, Lucretia, The legal argument here is that memes

1024
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:41.320
<v Speaker 1>can be a form of speech, and regulating them could

1025
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:45.079
<v Speaker 1>fall under the commerce clause or national security, you know, misinformation,

1026
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:50.400
<v Speaker 1>foreign interference. Lucretia, Oh, spare me the law review lecture, John, Okay,

1027
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.800
<v Speaker 1>So like that? It's pretty good. I think it's uh.

1028
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:57.239
<v Speaker 1>And then again the notes on this, the show notes, Uh,

1029
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 1>this one's a better one, right? So is tone content

1030
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:06.119
<v Speaker 1>something else? Style? Tone? Lucretia's style is bold, sarcastic, and

1031
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:08.840
<v Speaker 1>unafraid to take swings that both her co hosts and

1032
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.360
<v Speaker 1>her targets. She is quick with equip but grounds her

1033
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 1>rants in deep skepticism of government overreach and a love

1034
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:17.480
<v Speaker 1>for individual liberty.

1035
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:21.280
<v Speaker 2>So I kind of like all that you know, Steve,

1036
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:25.159
<v Speaker 2>you never Actually it's not bad, but you didn't include

1037
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.519
<v Speaker 2>it because you weren't gonna be there when we had

1038
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.559
<v Speaker 2>our no no, no, no, it's okay. I'm not trying

1039
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:34.000
<v Speaker 2>to insold You're really not we I had AI produce

1040
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:40.000
<v Speaker 2>a short happy hour between John and me and the

1041
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.199
<v Speaker 2>yeah as the kids, but before that, I actually had

1042
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the transcript produced, and the transcript was based upon the

1043
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:53.599
<v Speaker 2>question of John, John and me discussing whether or not

1044
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Trump should go ahead and make no South America the

1045
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:03.559
<v Speaker 2>fifty second state because we were going to be going

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<v Speaker 2>to a conference with our friends from Latin America and

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<v Speaker 2>South America. And it's actually quite funny. So maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>should put that one in at the bottom too, Steve,

1049
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:12.400
<v Speaker 2>if I can find it.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, Okay, by way, John, I think we will wrap

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<v Speaker 1>there and let you go find a tie from the

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00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Lost and Found in Law School for your TV.

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<v Speaker 3>I know where where I get that from. I mean,

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00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:29.239
<v Speaker 3>you're picnic when I'm going to wear on TV tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Which one looks those are actually so actually one of them,

1056
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:34.000
<v Speaker 3>this one does look like it was from the Lost

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00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 3>and Found. That's the one, Steve would probably that is

1058
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.880
<v Speaker 3>a good tie. It's like weird stuff like yellow shirts

1059
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:43.039
<v Speaker 3>and orange ties. I can't go down.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I used to do? I used

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00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.519
<v Speaker 1>to this going on too long here. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>buy a box of fifty ties on like eBay or

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00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>somewhere for like fifteen dollars, and I'd get a box

1064
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:56.440
<v Speaker 1>of ties and I'd throw out forty five of them,

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00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:00.440
<v Speaker 1>but five of them would be pretty good. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how I acquired the very few Donald Trump ties that

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<v Speaker 1>I have.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister, why don't you just do that for everything? Why

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00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:09.960
<v Speaker 3>don't you just buy like, well you can't, like fifty

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<v Speaker 3>oranges and throw them all forty five of them out?

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<v Speaker 2>That moment said I'm never wearing a tie again. Mister

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00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Brooks Brothers threw away or gave away almost all of

1073
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:22.840
<v Speaker 2>his ties.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I would take some of those ties.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that some of them were Jerry Jerry

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00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:34.559
<v Speaker 2>grateful dead Jerry Jerry Garcia ties.

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<v Speaker 3>You are bane wearing that he kept.

1078
00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.840
<v Speaker 2>We're both Trump ties, which he's been wearing for years.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's ties are so ugly. I mean, come on, they're blue,

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00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.119
<v Speaker 3>they're like they shine, they're shiny, they're clearly not made

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<v Speaker 3>of so.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, you guys, it's time for us to say

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to our long suffer See everybody next week. Have fun,

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<v Speaker 1>John bye, everybody. Everybody was buying.

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<v Speaker 6>The music was soothing, said everyone attacked about listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna said by one to do about.

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<v Speaker 1>Lessen Ricochet join the conversation