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Speaker 1: do you think it is that Ham radio operators get
Speaker 1: upset and get mad when you use a Ham radio
Speaker 1: on an FRS and GMRS frequency. I've got an answer
Speaker 1: for that, and it might not be what you expect,
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Speaker 1: for the interview I did with the creator. This is
Speaker 1: a question I've heard several times in the past, and
Speaker 1: when I saw this Reddit article, I thought, yeah, I
Speaker 1: need to make a video about that, because quite frankly,
Speaker 1: it's something that comes up a lot. It's something that
Speaker 1: comes up a lot, and there's I kind of have
Speaker 1: two minds about it. I have two thoughts about it,
Speaker 1: and I'm torn between which one I actually believe more So,
Speaker 1: I want to show you this article right here. This
Speaker 1: is again from Reddit, and this is a new subreddit
Speaker 1: I found called low Sodium ham Radio. There's some good
Speaker 1: stuff in there, little bit more salty, little bit more
Speaker 1: wild wild West in that subreddit over the amateur radio subreddit,
Speaker 1: I think, but some very good information, good people in
Speaker 1: there as well. So why do so many hams get
Speaker 1: incredibly asmad? That's a new one on me, asmad. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: when you use a ham radio on FRSGMRS that's been
Speaker 1: programmed properly, okay, and he quotes, but it's illegal. Bro
Speaker 1: Aside from that, if I programmed a handheld radio and
Speaker 1: he says a handheld radio right here, A lot of
Speaker 1: people will tell you that a Bowfang UV five R
Speaker 1: is a ham radio and while the balfang technically targets Hams,
Speaker 1: they target a lot of other groups as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's been a lot of So some kid buying
Speaker 1: a bowfang off of Amazon and using it on some
Speaker 1: frequency that a bowfang will transmit on. That doesn't make
Speaker 1: it a Ham radio. It will transmit on Ham radio bands,
Speaker 1: but most of them. Some of the newer ones are
Speaker 1: locked down, but most of the older ones were just
Speaker 1: full of and transmit anywhere. That makes them not really
Speaker 1: not technically a Ham radio. There's a lot of Part
Speaker 1: ninety commercial radios out there that'll transmit one p thirty
Speaker 1: six to one seventy four and from four hundred and
Speaker 1: four eighty or maybe upwards of five twenty megahertz. It
Speaker 1: covers all of the bands, GMRSFRS, ham Radio, Marine Band,
Speaker 1: all of the things. That doesn't make it a Ham
Speaker 1: radio just because it transmits on Ham radio frequencies. It's
Speaker 1: a Part ninety commercial radio that can be used on
Speaker 1: more multiple services. So just because of Bowfang transmits on
Speaker 1: Ham radio frequencies doesn't necessarily make it a Ham radio,
Speaker 1: although a lot of people use it on Ham radio.
Speaker 1: Is completely legal to use on Ham radio, and Bowfang
Speaker 1: themselves target Ham radio operators like my target Ham radio
Speaker 1: operator channels like this one. They've sent me a lot
Speaker 1: of emails in the past, and they sent me a
Speaker 1: lot of radios as well to do videos about. So
Speaker 1: technically it can be considered a Ham radio, but when
Speaker 1: I talk about Ham radio, I'm an actual handheld Ham radio.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about because he says handheld radio in
Speaker 1: this article right here right there, highlight it says handheld radio?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about a bowfang? Are you talking about
Speaker 1: like a yazu icm Kinwood radio that you've mars moded.
Speaker 1: Either one could do what you're talking about. So just
Speaker 1: something to think about is set it to use zero
Speaker 1: point five or two wats depending on the channel, and
Speaker 1: twelve point five killer Hurtz channel with who am I hurting?
Speaker 1: The FCC nor ised has literally never given even the
Speaker 1: most most minuscule of cares about the above situation, and
Speaker 1: it saves me from having to carry a second radio. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so let's let's break this down first. Okay, let me
Speaker 1: say this first off. You're right, I don't care. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why Hams would care that you're using a
Speaker 1: Ham radio, be it a bowfanger, an actual Ham radio
Speaker 1: like an icon kin would yazu. Okay, I don't understand
Speaker 1: why Hams would care if you're using those radios on
Speaker 1: FRS frequencies. I don't get it. I know it exists.
Speaker 1: In thirty years of being a Ham radio operator. I
Speaker 1: have never seen anyone get mad, either on the air
Speaker 1: or in person on the air, on the air, using
Speaker 1: the radio, or in person in Ham Radio club gatherings
Speaker 1: or in Hamfest group gatherings. I've never met anyone who
Speaker 1: was mad at someone else for using their Ham radio
Speaker 1: on FRS frequencies or GMRS frequencies. Same frequencies. But by
Speaker 1: the way, GMRS has eight repeater channels that FS doesn't have,
Speaker 1: and FOS has a lower channel output that they can
Speaker 1: use over GMRS with the frequencies or the first twenty
Speaker 1: two frequencies on both services are all the same. So
Speaker 1: I've never seen that. Now I know it exists because
Speaker 1: I've seen hundreds of comments from you guys out there saying,
Speaker 1: why do people get mad about this? People are getting
Speaker 1: I got yelled at this. I got heard someone get
Speaker 1: mad about this. I heard someone get yelled at about this.
Speaker 1: I read this on an Internet post somewhere, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, whatever.
Speaker 1: So why do people get mad about this? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't get it. It's a stupid
Speaker 1: thing to get mad about. I understand if you're talking
Speaker 1: about unlicensed people transmitting on Ham radio frequencies. That's a
Speaker 1: totally different game, totally different ball of wax. That's not
Speaker 1: what we're talking about today. Today, we're talking about using
Speaker 1: a handheld radio that's not meant for FS to transmit
Speaker 1: on FOS frequencies. Yes, it is illegal, yes, to have
Speaker 1: a FCC certified radio to transmit on FRS and on gmrs.
Speaker 1: This is stupid. This is a stupid rule because those
Speaker 1: radios typically are made in China, and they're typically not
Speaker 1: the quality of radio that say a Motorola or an
Speaker 1: Icon or a Kinwood would be if you were to
Speaker 1: modify those A lot of Motorola radios are Part nine
Speaker 1: EM will transmit on those frequencies. Anyway, It's stupid to
Speaker 1: think that a Part ninety five certified radio from the FCC,
Speaker 1: which comes from China, and maybe the certification maybe was
Speaker 1: fudged on a little bit. I don't know. Would some
Speaker 1: is somehow less disruptive than a really good Motorola or
Speaker 1: Icon radio that's been modified to transmit on FS frequencies.
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's going to be a cleaner signal
Speaker 1: from a Motorola or an Icon than it is from
Speaker 1: some cheap Chinese radio that you buy in a blister
Speaker 1: pack from bast pro shops anyway. So I don't get that.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't get it. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know again, I've never seen it in person. I
Speaker 1: don't know anyone who's upset about this, but I know
Speaker 1: it exists because people talk about it on the internet
Speaker 1: all the time. I've never heard anyone talk about it
Speaker 1: on the air, but they talk about it on the
Speaker 1: internet all the time. So I don't get this. But
Speaker 1: having said all that, don't come along and say no
Speaker 1: one cares, because if they didn't care, they wouldn't make
Speaker 1: a rule or a law over it. Okay. So it
Speaker 1: is illegal. It is illegal to use non certified radios
Speaker 1: on FRS, on GMRS, okay, on business band. Ham Radio
Speaker 1: doesn't have a certification process. Part ninety seven is an
Speaker 1: experimenter's license. We can build and use our own radios
Speaker 1: and transmitters. It's basically the only service out there that
Speaker 1: you can do that. GMRS you can't do that, CB
Speaker 1: you can't do that, FS business, most of the business
Speaker 1: bands you can't do that. So Marine band you can't
Speaker 1: do that. So Part ninety seven is a radio experimenter's license,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't really there's no such things a Part
Speaker 1: ninety seven certified radio, but there is Part ninety five
Speaker 1: certified for FURS and GMRS part whatever it is for CB.
Speaker 1: I forget. It is illegal to use use a other
Speaker 1: classification radio on those frequencies because it's not certified. It's
Speaker 1: a dumb rule, it's a dumb law, but it is there.
Speaker 1: So the part that I have seen people get upset
Speaker 1: about is simply that when someone says it's illegal, people
Speaker 1: like to blow up at you and arguable, oh no,
Speaker 1: one cares. It's not a little no, it's not yes.
Speaker 1: It is. Go ahead and do it if you want to.
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you not to do it, but don't
Speaker 1: tell me. Don't come by and tell me. Nobody cares
Speaker 1: and it's illegal because you can get busted for that
Speaker 1: if you just get on the air and you're a
Speaker 1: total jackass and someone calls you out and you get
Speaker 1: caught with it somehow. The likelihood that you're going to
Speaker 1: get caught with that is very, very very minimal, Okay,
Speaker 1: but it is not zero. It might be like zero
Speaker 1: point five percent chance, but it's not zero. You could
Speaker 1: totally do that, and there's stories, and there's stories I've
Speaker 1: shared on this channel about people getting caught for faulty
Speaker 1: transmitters on GMRS, for transmitting on GMRS with that license
Speaker 1: and this kind of thing. So people do care, But
Speaker 1: I don't really understand why Hams get so upset about
Speaker 1: another services frequencies like FRS, FRS or not Ham radio frequencies.
Speaker 1: So why do we care. I don't get that. I
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Speaker 1: So a few of the comments on this article, Okay,
Speaker 1: a lot of ham's are just role playing as code enforcement.
Speaker 1: So I want to make something perfectly clear. Now, this
Speaker 1: does not This does not include FRS frequencies. Remember when
Speaker 1: I said a minute ago, I don't get it. Okay,
Speaker 1: there is a thing in the ABRL called a volunteer
Speaker 1: monitor program. Volunteer Monitor program is a formal agreement between
Speaker 1: the FCC and the ABRAL. Volunteers trained and vetted by
Speaker 1: a DOBRL, monitor the airwaves and collect evidence that can
Speaker 1: be used to both correct misconduct and recognize exemplary on
Speaker 1: air operations. So, in other words, it's not just policing
Speaker 1: the bands, it's recognizing good operators on the band. Cases
Speaker 1: of flagrant violations are referred to by FCC by a
Speaker 1: DOUBLEL for action and accordance with FCC guidelines. This program
Speaker 1: re energizes enforcement efforts in the amateur radio bands. So
Speaker 1: this does not include frsgmors, make that perfectly clear. To
Speaker 1: my knowledge, GMRS does not have a program like this.
Speaker 1: But since basically the dawn of time, HAM radio operators
Speaker 1: have been self plas leasing long before the FCC. Ever,
Speaker 1: got involved. A lot of people want to get rid
Speaker 1: of the FCC. I would vote in favor of getting
Speaker 1: the FCC out of ham radio because ABRL and radio
Speaker 1: transmissions existed before the FCC did. I'm actually looking at
Speaker 1: maybe doing some sort of video about history of the FCC.
Speaker 1: But we'll see program re energizes enforcement efforts in the
Speaker 1: amateur radio bands. We're not talking about that here. A
Speaker 1: lot of hams are just role playing against code enforcement.
Speaker 1: Why why why are they role playing as code enforcement
Speaker 1: on an FRS frequency. I don't know. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: It's a dumb thing to do. Stop doing it. If
Speaker 1: you're doing this, no one cares. I don't care. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about again, if you're talking about unlicensed
Speaker 1: people on HAM radio bands, that's different. That's what this
Speaker 1: is for. But as far as people using radios on FURS,
Speaker 1: I don't care. So here we go. Right here. Hams
Speaker 1: are still able to build an operator own radios. This
Speaker 1: is what I was talking about part ninety seven minute ago.
Speaker 1: On the HAMD bands is covered under our license. In fact,
Speaker 1: aside from experimental situations, hams are the only ones they
Speaker 1: able to build and essentially certify our own equipment. FSGMRS
Speaker 1: are type certified for s such as much like ism.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that is. The device is license,
Speaker 1: so to speak. I bet this is a major woosh though,
Speaker 1: loll I know you're either quoting from the original commercial
Speaker 1: with the family Guary Pernie. That's funny. So I don't
Speaker 1: get here's a good comment. I don't get mad about
Speaker 1: it because I do the same thing, but I do
Speaker 1: tell people to shut up about doing it because it
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be openly obvious. Yeah, when people actually
Speaker 1: get mad is when I don't want to bother getting
Speaker 1: on a license and I'm just going to buy this
Speaker 1: bail fing and use it. However, I want correct the
Speaker 1: first roll of Ham radios on FOSK on FRS club
Speaker 1: as you don't talk about Ham radios on FURS club.
Speaker 1: What is an f S club? Never heard of such
Speaker 1: a thing. Never heard of such a thing as an
Speaker 1: f r S GMRS club. Sure, GMRS club. I never
Speaker 1: heard of him as f S club. I think you're
Speaker 1: making a joke. I laughed at it. It's kind of funny.
Speaker 1: Some Hams just don't like FRS in general. I've never
Speaker 1: heard this either, I've never heard this either. My good
Speaker 1: friend told me I'd rather die than I'd rather die
Speaker 1: than call for help on an FRS radio, and I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure he was serious. Well, then this guy is
Speaker 1: probably probably just an old curmudgeon because I've never I
Speaker 1: used f for us. A few times, some couple of
Speaker 1: my hunting buddies I hunt with don't have a GMRS
Speaker 1: or HAM radio license. We use f FORS radios to
Speaker 1: talk to each other when we're out at the hunting lease.
Speaker 1: And it's very possible that I used one of my
Speaker 1: part ninety certified radios to do that. But you don't
Speaker 1: know that, You don't know that, You have no idea
Speaker 1: if that's true or not. So agreed HAM and GMRS user.
Speaker 1: Right here, I'll hand an FRS to a friend and
Speaker 1: GMRS to a family member who has no desire to learn,
Speaker 1: and take a tech test tech test, and we'll have
Speaker 1: a great day skiing safely, keeping in touch, coordinating lift
Speaker 1: up to the end. And because FORS GMRS are interoperable,
Speaker 1: in other words, they're all the same frequencies, it's really
Speaker 1: easy for us. GMRS a very useful and I'm glad
Speaker 1: to have a license in addition to my to radio license.
Speaker 1: One is a support tool in pursue the hobby, the
Speaker 1: other as a hobby that can be applied sometimes to
Speaker 1: other hobbies, but more often as not the hobby itself.
Speaker 1: And this guy says that's where I'm at. My spies
Speaker 1: has no interest in hand However, I got GMR lessons,
Speaker 1: GMRS license and three handhelds because your GMRS covers your
Speaker 1: entire family. So long story short, a bunch of babbling
Speaker 1: from my end on that. So I apologize, thank you
Speaker 1: for listening this far if you've made it to this
Speaker 1: part of the video. I don't get why anyone cares
Speaker 1: what radios you use on FURS And if this is
Speaker 1: something if you're a Ham radio operator and you've gotten
Speaker 1: mad at someone for using their radio on FRS, what
Speaker 1: the heck man? Seriously, if they come over to Ham
Speaker 1: radio and start babbling on six top five to two
Speaker 1: without a license, that is something we should politely address
Speaker 1: them about. We shouldn't get mad and start yelling at
Speaker 1: him over the air, start calling them out on the internet.
Speaker 1: Give me a break, okay, but using your radio on FRS,
Speaker 1: who cares? I like to know what you guys think
Speaker 1: about this, I would like to an honest discussion in
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