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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of June sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Lost Season three, Episode three further instructions,

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<v Speaker 1>and we finally get back to the base, our base

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<v Speaker 1>where we've been hanging out all this time, to find

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<v Speaker 1>the hatch completely imploded, Desmond running around naked and somewhat addled,

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<v Speaker 1>and mister Echo apparently having been attacked by a polar bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this what we're to believe?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Like somehow escaped this implosion situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Which sent his stick flying off into the distance. And

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<v Speaker 1>also as they're going around looking for mister Echo and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to evade the polar bear, who should wander out

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<v Speaker 1>of the jungle. But Hurley yes with some news, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>about Jack and Kate and Sawyer having been taken, and

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<v Speaker 1>Locke and Charlie chat with him briefly and they go

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<v Speaker 1>off on their way. Did so many place walk this

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<v Speaker 1>man back to the beach worried about him? But he

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<v Speaker 1>does get there eventually, where everybody is seems kind of

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<v Speaker 1>mad at him for his news, Right, He didn't, He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have anything to do with that. He was completely innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>The person you want to be mad at is Michael

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<v Speaker 1>people early was only a victim. Yes, But I had

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<v Speaker 1>to laugh because there's these two characters, Nikki and Polo,

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<v Speaker 1>who will feature in briefly this season. Met them and

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<v Speaker 1>they were supposed to be they were supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>two people. You know, there's all these extra people we

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<v Speaker 1>comment every so often that we've never seen before. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they thought, hey, what if we take two of those

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<v Speaker 1>people and have a plot about them, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>just in this one they're talking and people are saying

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<v Speaker 1>their names right completely out of.

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<v Speaker 3>The blow nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't remember. I mean you you also felt

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<v Speaker 1>that way, right. I know who they are and I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's going to happen to them. And I've been

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<v Speaker 1>seeing their names, the the names of the actors coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>and they last week they weren't there. But this week, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they were stepping up like they have a right to.

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<v Speaker 3>Comment on anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are you to be giving Hurley the stink eye?

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<v Speaker 3>Lady?

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<v Speaker 1>We have never seen you before?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that was another episode of who in

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<v Speaker 2>the world are you?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they had to like introduce them in ways

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<v Speaker 1>like this so that they can have a flashback episode

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<v Speaker 1>about them and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they disappear again.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't allegedly, we do not care. There's enough people. Stop

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<v Speaker 1>introducing new people.

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<v Speaker 2>We have this whole crew of others.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody on a blog somewhere made the mistake of saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what the deal is with all these other people,

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<v Speaker 1>and they thought, oh, really, well, here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>We can tell you that.

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<v Speaker 1>Never mind, Jack and Katon swear we'll get back to them.

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<v Speaker 1>But let us serve you up various random people to

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<v Speaker 2>And we also had the first hint of.

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<v Speaker 3>Flash forward or.

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<v Speaker 2>Seeing into the future or something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, because Desmond is apparently sing into the future right.

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<v Speaker 2>And Hurley has pretty much clocked that. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>says to Herley something about how Locke said that in

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<v Speaker 2>his speech, which had not yet happened, and and Hurley's like,

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<v Speaker 3>And then when Locke indeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes the speech later, Hurley it's got a look on

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<v Speaker 1>They are they've been something one doesn't often think.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's been.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the typical weirdness. It's a new kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 3>We're always coming up with new weirdnesses for your viewing.

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<v Speaker 1>For Desmond, that man is cursed.

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<v Speaker 2>But at least he got a new T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, how do how does it really have extra

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess when he went wondering on his expedition

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<v Speaker 1>He brought some he brought a change of clothes with them.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But and you know, the main focus of this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>alas was John Locke Eternal Sad Sacks again, because we

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<v Speaker 1>to be betraying by people he cares about, although they

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<v Speaker 1>turn out to not be such great people. But and really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he brought the guy there, but they're the

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<v Speaker 1>ones who let him stay and met. Shouldn't they have

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<v Speaker 1>been a little more cautious?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Also, do they know John? Why would they Trusty?

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<v Speaker 3>How long has he been there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, you don't just automatically trust somebody he

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<v Speaker 1>trusts because he has no Yeah, it has no sense at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so that was kind of sad but typical.

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<v Speaker 1>And now he's trying to be in charge of something

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<v Speaker 1>non understandable again, right, good luck with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So he sets himself up with a sweat lodge and

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<v Speaker 2>something this I guess the same drug that he gave

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<v Speaker 2>Boone to induce the vision that Boone had of Shannon,

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<v Speaker 2>And according to the last pedia it's called island pudding.

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<v Speaker 3>This subsistance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so interesting because we got his visions of many

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<v Speaker 2>of his fellow castaways right in the past but also

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<v Speaker 2>in the future, you know, like, yeah, relationships.

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<v Speaker 3>They were having.

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<v Speaker 1>Trippy weirdness for a little while there, and in summer

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<v Speaker 1>Holder got to come back for an episode, nice to

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<v Speaker 1>see him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing in regular makeup and then dead body makeup basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Right lovely, you know, well take what he can get.

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<v Speaker 1>You're never truly dead on this show. You can always

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<v Speaker 1>come back in a flashback with a dream of sweat

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<v Speaker 1>lodge induced vision. All kinds of opportunities, that's right, that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>Just get your agent on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I felt like that when you're watching that dream.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like when your kid is trying to retell the

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<v Speaker 2>story of, you know, something they have read or watched

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe they dreamed about, and they're and they're just

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<v Speaker 2>like and then and you are just trying to keep

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<v Speaker 2>up and being like uh huh, yep, sure, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>who else was there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's just just go with it. You know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is our parenting do It's just enjoy your child's creative

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<v Speaker 1>ability and don't feel a need to say but wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't try to make it make sense?

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<v Speaker 3>Will not?

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<v Speaker 1>What other parenting tips can we pick up from this mess?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't pick up hitchhikers kids. Don't pick up hitchhigers. It

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<v Speaker 1>never ends, well.

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<v Speaker 3>Really never does.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if they seem friendly. They may bring down your

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<v Speaker 1>whole nice situations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and I feel like that was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a found family situation that did not work out for

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<v Speaker 1>You know it was yeah, it was working out fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were really not not They were really conning him,

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<v Speaker 1>as everybody in his life has contract in one way

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<v Speaker 1>or the other life. But she got It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>he keeps thinking he's found it and then losing it,

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<v Speaker 1>as he has again in this episode in on the

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<v Speaker 1>in Island time. Yeah, I just kept pushing the button exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>his found family was yourself, John, Never think for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not your strength. Just do what you're dold.

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<v Speaker 2>His found her family was no improvement on his real family.

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<v Speaker 1>As it turned out, they too were betraying him.

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<v Speaker 2>He should have listened to Katie Segal back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she stayed with her just yeah, she had

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<v Speaker 1>his best interest in her. She really did we think

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there could always be a flashbook or it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out she was working for somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes that was true.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, nothing, nothing is trustworthy and right for

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<v Speaker 1>poor John.

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<v Speaker 2>But he does know how to make a flamethrower out

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<v Speaker 2>of a can of hair spray.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're against where going with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And mister Echo is apparently superhuman because he was

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<v Speaker 2>thrown however, you know whatever distance away from the hatch

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<v Speaker 2>when it exploded and attacked by a polar bears.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know how he he survives that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's right. I mean, a parenting tip would be

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<v Speaker 1>understand that the things you do to your kid that

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<v Speaker 1>are negative are going to reverberate through the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>his life. So no pressure. The path you send your

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<v Speaker 1>little John locke on is going to be the path

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<v Speaker 1>he follows and internalizes. And gosh, it's a responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>parents because it's easy to accidentally do to something that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to have negative reverberations, and that you will always

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<v Speaker 1>be remembered for that, right, you know, And and and

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<v Speaker 1>also that your kid will always remember the negative things

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<v Speaker 1>more than the positive things. I had a wonderful mother.

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<v Speaker 1>She was she gave everything for me. She was just terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember her worrying and I remember her controlling,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I have gone on to do exactly those

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<v Speaker 1>same things with my job. So I think things through

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit plan out do some flash forward, Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And.

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<v Speaker 1>You you think and in the moment you're doing the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing, and they're just that kid. But you know, yikes,

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully they will never be on a on an island

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<v Speaker 1>or on a TV show, because then everything you do

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, I like your flash forward idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's let's get on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, it's horrifying though. Probably I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle. Where am I with my kids?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like in the in the main thing. So we

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<v Speaker 1>have flashboards and flashbacks, and I flashback a lot. That's

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<v Speaker 1>another thing that may be a parenting tip. Think about

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<v Speaker 1>the things that you've done that you look at now

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<v Speaker 1>and go and see what you can do to write

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<v Speaker 1>that or else just lean the bleep into it and

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<v Speaker 1>be an evil genius.

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<v Speaker 2>Say there you go, you know, And that sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>a possibility. Be another Let's see we also have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how are these castaways going to do without their.

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<v Speaker 3>Island dad Jack? Because he's he's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>void since Sawyer's not there, so they had to find

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else. But Yeah, that they do leave a hole,

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<v Speaker 1>don't they. And everybody's like, how could we possibly go

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<v Speaker 3>Man to figure out?

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<v Speaker 1>When you guys knew what a mess Jack was, you

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<v Speaker 2>If you had access to the flashbacks like we do,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, you can stay over there with the others, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>do if they have any psychiatric help over there, buddy, because.

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<v Speaker 1>You did what in your father's ape? Oh dear, how

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He puts on such a good front, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>seems so capable and yet really not on much more

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<v Speaker 3>So this is true.

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<v Speaker 1>It's they're all kind of a mess though, So they

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<v Speaker 1>should appreciate one another. Yeah, this is a parenting tip.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate that you can see your child's flaws. You have

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<v Speaker 1>all standing on shifting ground. Just give a lot of hugs,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, appreciate each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Just do your best.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do your best in the moment, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at any time you can be dropped on an island

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<v Speaker 1>and all sorts of bleep will happen.

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<v Speaker 3>So stuff is exploding right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, appreciate what you got right now. You know, make good,

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<v Speaker 1>make good flashbacks. Concentrate on making.

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<v Speaker 3>Good flashbacks right.

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<v Speaker 1>When your child is looking back on this time. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't want them to go, oh, there's where my life

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<v Speaker 1>went off. That's what terrible, terrible to say. Those were

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<v Speaker 1>good times. Man, I wish I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was back there right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In the case of Locke, it's just a series of

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<v Speaker 1>It just keeps going a long series of humiliations. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, think about what you want your kids flashbacks

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<v Speaker 1>to look like, and you know, design them carefully. I

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<v Speaker 1>are an art director.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be fine there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, our flashbacks are conclude years of watching this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's see what's coming up next. Next Tuesday, we

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<v Speaker 1>will continue with season three, episode four of Lost every

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<v Speaker 1>Man for Himself. That doesn't sound good? And what about

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<v Speaker 1>the ladies? Do we know who? This is a flashback

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<v Speaker 1>of I believe it's Sawyer? Oh gosh, what's that? Guys?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we need Sawyer information?

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about the time where he was

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<v Speaker 1>a driver for a bad man. Every Man for Himself

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<v Speaker 1>does indeed sound like a Sawyer episode, doesn't it, And

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