Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of June sixteenth,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Lost Season three, Episode three further instructions,
Speaker 1: and we finally get back to the base, our base
Speaker 1: where we've been hanging out all this time, to find
Speaker 1: the hatch completely imploded, Desmond running around naked and somewhat addled,
Speaker 1: and mister Echo apparently having been attacked by a polar bear.
Speaker 3: Is this what we're to believe?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like somehow escaped this implosion situation.
Speaker 1: Which sent his stick flying off into the distance. And
Speaker 1: also as they're going around looking for mister Echo and
Speaker 1: trying to evade the polar bear, who should wander out
Speaker 1: of the jungle. But Hurley yes with some news, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: about Jack and Kate and Sawyer having been taken, and
Speaker 1: Locke and Charlie chat with him briefly and they go
Speaker 1: off on their way. Did so many place walk this
Speaker 1: man back to the beach worried about him? But he
Speaker 1: does get there eventually, where everybody is seems kind of
Speaker 1: mad at him for his news, Right, He didn't, He
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with that. He was completely innocent.
Speaker 1: The person you want to be mad at is Michael
Speaker 1: people early was only a victim. Yes, But I had
Speaker 1: to laugh because there's these two characters, Nikki and Polo,
Speaker 1: who will feature in briefly this season. Met them and
Speaker 1: they were supposed to be they were supposed to be
Speaker 1: two people. You know, there's all these extra people we
Speaker 1: comment every so often that we've never seen before. Well,
Speaker 1: they thought, hey, what if we take two of those
Speaker 1: people and have a plot about them, and so they
Speaker 1: just in this one they're talking and people are saying
Speaker 1: their names right completely out of.
Speaker 3: The blow nowhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember. I mean you you also felt
Speaker 1: that way, right. I know who they are and I
Speaker 1: know it's going to happen to them. And I've been
Speaker 1: seeing their names, the the names of the actors coming up,
Speaker 1: and they last week they weren't there. But this week, oh,
Speaker 1: they were stepping up like they have a right to.
Speaker 3: Comment on anything.
Speaker 1: Who are you to be giving Hurley the stink eye?
Speaker 3: Lady?
Speaker 1: We have never seen you before?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was another episode of who in
Speaker 2: the world are you?
Speaker 1: You know, they had to like introduce them in ways
Speaker 1: like this so that they can have a flashback episode
Speaker 1: about them and then.
Speaker 3: Then they disappear again.
Speaker 1: Can't allegedly, we do not care. There's enough people. Stop
Speaker 1: introducing new people.
Speaker 2: We have this whole crew of others.
Speaker 1: Somebody on a blog somewhere made the mistake of saying,
Speaker 1: I wonder what the deal is with all these other people,
Speaker 1: and they thought, oh, really, well, here we go.
Speaker 3: We can tell you that.
Speaker 1: Never mind, Jack and Katon swear we'll get back to them.
Speaker 1: But let us serve you up various random people to
Speaker 1: be interested in, Oh, well.
Speaker 2: And we also had the first hint of.
Speaker 3: Flash forward or.
Speaker 2: Seeing into the future or something.
Speaker 1: That's right, because Desmond is apparently sing into the future right.
Speaker 2: And Hurley has pretty much clocked that. You know, he
Speaker 2: says to Herley something about how Locke said that in
Speaker 2: his speech, which had not yet happened, and and Hurley's like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about, man, dude?
Speaker 3: And then when Locke indeed.
Speaker 2: Makes the speech later, Hurley it's got a look on
Speaker 2: his face like, whoa things are weird?
Speaker 1: They are they've been something one doesn't often think.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's been.
Speaker 1: Not the typical weirdness. It's a new kind of weird.
Speaker 3: We're always coming up with new weirdnesses for your viewing.
Speaker 1: For Desmond, that man is cursed.
Speaker 2: But at least he got a new T shirt.
Speaker 1: I know, how do how does it really have extra
Speaker 1: clothing with him?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess when he went wondering on his expedition
Speaker 3: to uh, you know.
Speaker 1: He brought some he brought a change of clothes with them.
Speaker 3: I suppose it makes sense.
Speaker 1: But and you know, the main focus of this episode,
Speaker 1: alas was John Locke Eternal Sad Sacks again, because we
Speaker 1: needed another flashback in which he is betrayed and perceived
Speaker 1: to be betraying by people he cares about, although they
Speaker 1: turn out to not be such great people. But and really,
Speaker 1: you know, he brought the guy there, but they're the
Speaker 1: ones who let him stay and met. Shouldn't they have
Speaker 1: been a little more cautious?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Also, do they know John? Why would they Trusty?
Speaker 3: How long has he been there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you don't just automatically trust somebody he
Speaker 1: trusts because he has no Yeah, it has no sense at all.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that was kind of sad but typical.
Speaker 1: And now he's trying to be in charge of something
Speaker 1: non understandable again, right, good luck with that.
Speaker 2: So he sets himself up with a sweat lodge and
Speaker 2: something this I guess the same drug that he gave
Speaker 2: Boone to induce the vision that Boone had of Shannon,
Speaker 2: And according to the last pedia it's called island pudding.
Speaker 3: This subsistance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting because we got his visions of many
Speaker 2: of his fellow castaways right in the past but also
Speaker 2: in the future, you know, like, yeah, relationships.
Speaker 3: They were having.
Speaker 1: Trippy weirdness for a little while there, and in summer
Speaker 1: Holder got to come back for an episode, nice to
Speaker 1: see him.
Speaker 2: I'm doing in regular makeup and then dead body makeup basically.
Speaker 1: Right lovely, you know, well take what he can get.
Speaker 1: You're never truly dead on this show. You can always
Speaker 1: come back in a flashback with a dream of sweat
Speaker 1: lodge induced vision. All kinds of opportunities, that's right, that's right,
Speaker 1: Just get your agent on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like that when you're watching that dream.
Speaker 2: It's like when your kid is trying to retell the
Speaker 2: story of, you know, something they have read or watched
Speaker 2: or maybe they dreamed about, and they're and they're just
Speaker 2: like and then and you are just trying to keep
Speaker 2: up and being like uh huh, yep, sure, okay, and
Speaker 2: who else was there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a struggle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just just go with it. You know, this
Speaker 1: is our parenting do It's just enjoy your child's creative
Speaker 1: ability and don't feel a need to say but wait
Speaker 1: a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't try to make it make sense?
Speaker 3: Will not?
Speaker 1: What other parenting tips can we pick up from this mess?
Speaker 1: Don't pick up hitchhikers kids. Don't pick up hitchhigers. It
Speaker 1: never ends, well.
Speaker 3: Really never does.
Speaker 1: Even if they seem friendly. They may bring down your
Speaker 1: whole nice situations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I feel like that was, you know,
Speaker 2: a found family situation that did not work out for
Speaker 2: for our flock.
Speaker 1: You know it was yeah, it was working out fine,
Speaker 1: but they were really not not They were really conning him,
Speaker 1: as everybody in his life has contract in one way
Speaker 1: or the other life. But she got It's just like
Speaker 1: he keeps thinking he's found it and then losing it,
Speaker 1: as he has again in this episode in on the
Speaker 1: in Island time. Yeah, I just kept pushing the button exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his found family was yourself, John, Never think for yourself.
Speaker 1: It's not your strength. Just do what you're dold.
Speaker 2: His found her family was no improvement on his real family.
Speaker 1: As it turned out, they too were betraying him.
Speaker 2: He should have listened to Katie Segal back in the day.
Speaker 1: You know, she stayed with her just yeah, she had
Speaker 1: his best interest in her. She really did we think
Speaker 1: you know, there could always be a flashbook or it
Speaker 1: turns out she was working for somebody.
Speaker 3: Yes that was true.
Speaker 1: And you know, nothing, nothing is trustworthy and right for
Speaker 1: poor John.
Speaker 2: But he does know how to make a flamethrower out
Speaker 2: of a can of hair spray.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're against where going with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And mister Echo is apparently superhuman because he was
Speaker 2: thrown however, you know whatever distance away from the hatch
Speaker 2: when it exploded and attacked by a polar bears.
Speaker 3: So that's a lot.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how he he survives that.
Speaker 1: But that's right. I mean, a parenting tip would be
Speaker 1: understand that the things you do to your kid that
Speaker 1: are negative are going to reverberate through the rest of
Speaker 1: his life. So no pressure. The path you send your
Speaker 1: little John locke on is going to be the path
Speaker 1: he follows and internalizes. And gosh, it's a responsibility for
Speaker 1: parents because it's easy to accidentally do to something that's
Speaker 1: going to have negative reverberations, and that you will always
Speaker 1: be remembered for that, right, you know, And and and
Speaker 1: also that your kid will always remember the negative things
Speaker 1: more than the positive things. I had a wonderful mother.
Speaker 1: She was she gave everything for me. She was just terrific.
Speaker 1: But I remember her worrying and I remember her controlling,
Speaker 1: and then I have gone on to do exactly those
Speaker 1: same things with my job. So I think things through
Speaker 1: a little bit plan out do some flash forward, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: You you think and in the moment you're doing the
Speaker 1: right thing, and they're just that kid. But you know, yikes,
Speaker 1: Hopefully they will never be on a on an island
Speaker 1: or on a TV show, because then everything you do
Speaker 1: will come back to haunt them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I like your flash forward idea.
Speaker 3: Let's let's get on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, it's horrifying though. Probably I'm kind of
Speaker 1: in the middle. Where am I with my kids?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I'm like in the in the main thing. So we
Speaker 1: have flashboards and flashbacks, and I flashback a lot. That's
Speaker 1: another thing that may be a parenting tip. Think about
Speaker 1: the things that you've done that you look at now
Speaker 1: and go and see what you can do to write
Speaker 1: that or else just lean the bleep into it and
Speaker 1: be an evil genius.
Speaker 2: Say there you go, you know, And that sounds like
Speaker 2: a possibility. Be another Let's see we also have you know,
Speaker 2: how are these castaways going to do without their.
Speaker 3: Island dad Jack? Because he's he's gone.
Speaker 2: That is that why we suddenly have Paolo?
Speaker 1: I think, so there's a there's a floppy haired guy
Speaker 1: void since Sawyer's not there, so they had to find
Speaker 1: somebody else. But Yeah, that they do leave a hole,
Speaker 1: don't they. And everybody's like, how could we possibly go
Speaker 1: on with her?
Speaker 3: Man to figure out?
Speaker 1: When you guys knew what a mess Jack was, you
Speaker 1: would not be wanting him back so hard.
Speaker 2: If you had access to the flashbacks like we do,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, you can stay over there with the others, exactly,
Speaker 2: do if they have any psychiatric help over there, buddy, because.
Speaker 1: You did what in your father's ape? Oh dear, how
Speaker 1: fast did your wife divorce?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He puts on such a good front, you know, he
Speaker 1: seems so capable and yet really not on much more
Speaker 1: solid ground than John Locke.
Speaker 3: So this is true.
Speaker 1: It's they're all kind of a mess though, So they
Speaker 1: should appreciate one another. Yeah, this is a parenting tip.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that you can see your child's flaws. You have
Speaker 1: flaws too. Everybody makes mistakes, we all screw up, we're
Speaker 1: all standing on shifting ground. Just give a lot of hugs,
Speaker 1: and you know, appreciate each other.
Speaker 3: Just do your best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do your best in the moment, because you know,
Speaker 1: at any time you can be dropped on an island
Speaker 1: and all sorts of bleep will happen.
Speaker 3: So stuff is exploding right now.
Speaker 1: Yep, appreciate what you got right now. You know, make good,
Speaker 1: make good flashbacks. Concentrate on making.
Speaker 3: Good flashbacks right.
Speaker 1: When your child is looking back on this time. You
Speaker 1: don't want them to go, oh, there's where my life
Speaker 1: went off. That's what terrible, terrible to say. Those were
Speaker 1: good times. Man, I wish I.
Speaker 3: Was back there right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: In the case of Locke, it's just a series of
Speaker 2: there's not just one point.
Speaker 1: It just keeps going a long series of humiliations. So
Speaker 1: you know, think about what you want your kids flashbacks
Speaker 1: to look like, and you know, design them carefully. I
Speaker 1: are an art director.
Speaker 2: It'll be fine there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, our flashbacks are conclude years of watching this thing.
Speaker 1: So let's see what's coming up next. Next Tuesday, we
Speaker 1: will continue with season three, episode four of Lost every
Speaker 1: Man for Himself. That doesn't sound good? And what about
Speaker 1: the ladies? Do we know who? This is a flashback
Speaker 1: of I believe it's Sawyer? Oh gosh, what's that? Guys?
Speaker 2: Do we need Sawyer information?
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the time where he was
Speaker 1: a driver for a bad man. Every Man for Himself
Speaker 1: does indeed sound like a Sawyer episode, doesn't it, And
Speaker 1: we will see you back here tomorrow to discuss Duster. Hey,
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