Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Hey Nicole, as far as I'm concerned, the weekend has
Speaker 2: already started. It's Friday night. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2: I happen to be working. You happen to be working.
Speaker 2: So it's really not our weekend, but the weekend is underway.
Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray, host of Nightside. Rob Brooks
Speaker 2: he's working too. He is the producer back in the
Speaker 2: control room at Broadcast Central, the big socket for WBZ Radio.
Speaker 2: You're listening to WBZ Radio and ten thirty Am in Boston.
Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray, and we have four very
Speaker 2: special guests on this hour. Later on tonight, we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about the big snowstorm heading this way tomorrow.
Speaker 2: This one looks like maybe the first real deal we've
Speaker 2: had in several years here in the New England area.
Speaker 2: Then we're going to talk about streamflation. Now every price
Speaker 2: of everything's going up, regular TV, cable TV, and now
Speaker 2: they get you with all these the streaming services. And
Speaker 2: we'll have our Super Bowl predictions and there'll be a
Speaker 2: prize involved for the person who comes closest to predicting
Speaker 2: the accurate winners and the closest to the final score.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna begin with four interesting guests, and first
Speaker 2: we're going across the pond to truck with Robbie Dueck.
Speaker 2: He's the CEO of a company called blast b Last
Speaker 2: like blast Off, and he is with an e sports
Speaker 2: program that's competitive video gaming. I'm not sure that I
Speaker 2: know too much about it, but I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: learn about a lot because they're going to be hosting
Speaker 2: a major event at the MGM Music Hall later this month.
Speaker 2: Robbie Dueck, welcome from You're over in England right now? Correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, dain nice to be here on the show.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome. Where about Are you in London or
Speaker 2: are you out in the countryside?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, London, London, London. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: as cold as it sounds like it's over there. It's
Speaker 3: pretty it sounds pretty bleak.
Speaker 2: Well No, no, we love son here in New England.
Speaker 2: We're hardy New England, so that's no problem. A mere
Speaker 2: five to eight inches they're talking about we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about like people will freak out, will there'll be
Speaker 2: no bread and milk in the stores. Tomorrow. That's the
Speaker 2: first thing. Everybody gets, bread, milk and eggs. You can
Speaker 2: always be making French toast during a snowstorm, simple as that.
Speaker 2: It's a tradition here in New England. So what is
Speaker 2: competitive video gaming and you're hosting this major event at
Speaker 2: the MGM Music Hall in February. I don't know a
Speaker 2: lot about competitive gaming. What are we talking about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is like the combination of the best
Speaker 3: teams in the world playing competitive games. So competitive e
Speaker 3: sports is competitive teams who aren't sort of built out
Speaker 3: to play a specific game and compete against each other
Speaker 3: in front of a live audience, streams around the world,
Speaker 3: in front of millions of people. And that's what's going
Speaker 3: to be hosted in Boston in the next week at
Speaker 3: the MGM, and it's going to be a spectacle that
Speaker 3: you've never seen before. Probably playing to.
Speaker 2: You that, So let me ask you this. I can
Speaker 2: remember when they had big time chess matches and there
Speaker 2: was an American going against a Russian or something like
Speaker 2: that back in the days, and they would be streamed.
Speaker 2: It wasn't streamed, it was just on TV and people
Speaker 2: would watch. And that's not the same thing as we're
Speaker 2: talking about you're talking about people like consoles, and what
Speaker 2: are the games they compete with. We're not talking about
Speaker 2: basketball or hockey games. We're talking about probably some of
Speaker 2: the war games, I assume, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so these are like what they call first person shooters,
Speaker 3: and then they're like they're like competitive games where they're
Speaker 3: actually strategy games.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So this is a game where you've got a certain
Speaker 3: amount of people playing against each other in what they
Speaker 3: call a map. So that's like an environment where they're
Speaker 3: playing to win a given round against each other to
Speaker 3: then ultimately win the set like in tennis if you want, right,
Speaker 3: And they're competing in a really tactical way with like
Speaker 3: ammunition to try and find out where they are on
Speaker 3: the map and ultimately win the round, right, And it
Speaker 3: takes a lot of practice and skill.
Speaker 2: Okay, And these competitive gamers are they mostly young people?
Speaker 2: Are they old people like me who have taken up
Speaker 2: the sport in their retirement even though I'm not retired.
Speaker 3: Now. They tend to be they tend to skew a
Speaker 3: lot younger. And actually the average gamement who's a competitive
Speaker 3: gament probably by the age of twenty seven or twenty eight,
Speaker 3: he's he or she's in their retirement, right, And the
Speaker 3: reason for that is because the hands ye coordination is
Speaker 3: just way better when you're younger, and therefore, by the
Speaker 3: time you're twenty seven twenty eight, you're not quite at
Speaker 3: your peak because as you were when you say eighteen
Speaker 3: to twenty one, Now.
Speaker 2: That's when everything starts falling apart, is what you're telling me.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm way past that.
Speaker 2: So I'm with you in this, okay. So now in Boston,
Speaker 2: this is a live event with a live audience, and
Speaker 2: you're selling tickets to this event.
Speaker 3: Correct, correct, So down down on the MNGN beautiful venue,
Speaker 3: thousands of people have bought to I think we're sold out,
Speaker 3: but I think there might be a few still to get.
Speaker 3: But ultimately the app you know, the noise is large, right,
Speaker 3: because people are very excited about this.
Speaker 2: So who's your audience. Who's your audience?
Speaker 3: These are going to be, you know, demographic of eighteen
Speaker 3: to thirty five male female love the game. They're really
Speaker 3: into this particular game. They're following it or they're particularly
Speaker 3: following a team. Right. What we shouldn't forget is there
Speaker 3: is actually a local team from New England. Oxygen Esports
Speaker 3: their calls right. They've made it all the way through
Speaker 3: to the final stages of this event, which is unheard
Speaker 3: of for them. And there are I think four or
Speaker 3: five North American teams that have got this far, right,
Speaker 3: but the locals are clearly going to be cheering on Oxygen.
Speaker 3: But they're there mostly because they love the game, they
Speaker 3: love the spectacle.
Speaker 2: So all in all, how many teams are? You know,
Speaker 2: this has got to be a competition that builds from
Speaker 2: I guess Friday, Saturday, Sunday Valentine's Day, the fifteenth, which
Speaker 2: is Saturday in the sixteenth, which is Sunday, how many
Speaker 2: teams start? It's sort of like the NBA Playoffs of
Speaker 2: the NHL playoffs. You start with maybe sixteen teams, and
Speaker 2: of course it takes three months to the playoffs. Now
Speaker 2: the NBA and the NHL, until you get to the
Speaker 2: championship series. You guys are going to do this in
Speaker 2: three days.
Speaker 3: Right, correct? But what we shouldn't forget there are sixteen
Speaker 3: teams that have got this far. But what we shouldn't
Speaker 3: forget is actually one hundreds and hundreds of teams have
Speaker 3: been through the process of qualifying to get here, right,
Speaker 3: regional corner tournaments from around the world, in all four
Speaker 3: corners of the clos Right, It's actually taken all year
Speaker 3: to reach this pinnacle moment that will come to a
Speaker 3: head in Boston next weekend.
Speaker 2: As you say, what's the grand prize? I know that
Speaker 2: there's some serious prize money.
Speaker 3: Hey, there's three million bucks on the line, but the
Speaker 3: winners take a million dollars time with them, which is
Speaker 3: a serious amount of cash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a million dollars are split between your team members,
Speaker 2: I assume.
Speaker 3: Correct, you know, four or five members of the team.
Speaker 3: They're going to take that home and they're going to
Speaker 3: be had a bad.
Speaker 2: It's not if you win it. It's certainly not a
Speaker 2: bad weekend's work, that's for sure. There's no question about that. Uh,
Speaker 2: do you know offhand with this Oxygen team is from
Speaker 2: this New England team? Are they like spread across the
Speaker 2: landscape or are they from one community that we can identify?
Speaker 3: Well, so this is a group of people that actually
Speaker 3: are the mix of players from There are actually two
Speaker 3: Brazilian players in this team, and then there are three
Speaker 3: American players in the team. And you know, so I
Speaker 3: think there's actually a strong cohort of Brazilians who are
Speaker 3: living in Boston and South understand, and they're going to
Speaker 3: come out and force to support these two Brazilian players
Speaker 3: in the team. This happens to be a game where
Speaker 3: the Brazilian audiences have a very strong propensity to play it.
Speaker 3: And then the other three players, and one of them
Speaker 3: in particular is a local from the region, so I
Speaker 3: think everyone's going to be cheering for that individual and
Speaker 3: that's probably in a serving crowd for that.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Bobby, I appreciate the information. Do you
Speaker 2: want to give us a website where people can get
Speaker 2: more information on this event, either to go and attend
Speaker 2: or to follow it and learn more about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they need to just go on to Rainbow six,
Speaker 3: which is the game, and they'll be able to ord
Speaker 3: Uve yourseft and they'll be able to get a whole
Speaker 3: bunch more informational ticket mister, if they want to get
Speaker 3: a ticket at the last minute, or come down to
Speaker 3: the MGM and they'll just have a great time. So thanks
Speaker 3: for time, Dan, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, And I know it's quite late, probably you're
Speaker 2: probably after one I am, So it's Saturday, morning over
Speaker 2: there already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all good. It's the end of the week
Speaker 3: and we'll have the beginning of the weekend now. But
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed speaking to you, so thank you.
Speaker 2: And I hope by time I assume you'll be here
Speaker 2: next weekend, I hopefully the snow will be plowed away
Speaker 2: and we'll have temperatures in the mid sixties or seventies
Speaker 2: for you, Okay.
Speaker 3: That would be great. It will make the loading of
Speaker 3: the venue easier and the load out easier as well,
Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to that for the operational reason.
Speaker 2: Robbie Duick, CEO of BLAST, appreciate your time tonight. We
Speaker 2: learned a lot from you and we'll follow on. Thank
Speaker 2: you much, thank you when we get back. And to
Speaker 2: talk about Special Olympics. New Hampshire, they have a big
Speaker 2: event this weekend. It's called the Penguin Plunge. It's the
Speaker 2: Penguin Plunge weekend that we're eighth and ninth at Hampton Beach,
Speaker 2: benefits benefiting Special Olympics. I suspect if you'd like to
Speaker 2: take a little swim, we have an opportunity for you
Speaker 2: if you stick with us. My name's Dan Ray. This
Speaker 2: is night Side on a Friday night, February seventh. We
Speaker 2: will be here all the way, virtually all the way
Speaker 2: till midnight. Hope you'll stick with us. We have some
Speaker 2: interesting conversations you can participate. We have some more interesting
Speaker 2: interviews coming up, not only going to talk about special
Speaker 2: Olympics New Hampshire, but we'll also give you a way
Speaker 2: to fix your marriage without counseling, a practical method we're
Speaker 2: told men will appreciate. We'll see about that, and then
Speaker 2: we're going to talk with the former wife of Apollo
Speaker 2: fourteen astronaut Edgar Mitchell. She has written a book which
Speaker 2: is called You Don't Look Like an Astronaut's Wife. But
Speaker 2: she is remarkable stories in Riveting in her riveting new
Speaker 2: memoir You Don't Look like an Astronaut's Wife. He, by
Speaker 2: the way, is the sixth person to walk on the
Speaker 2: face of the moon. He is he passed a few
Speaker 2: years ago, but his wife will be here with us
Speaker 2: later on during this hour back on Nightside. Right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on w b Z News Radio.
Speaker 2: Put to welcome back Mark Erickson. He's the multi media
Speaker 2: manager for Special Olympics New Hampshire which has a very
Speaker 2: active Special Olympics group, and I guess this weekend the
Speaker 2: Penguin Plunge takes center stage in the Granite State mark
Speaker 2: ericson Welcome back to Nightside.
Speaker 5: How are you sir, goody evening, Happy Friday night, Dan.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having a phone.
Speaker 2: Yep. I think you've been with us a couple of
Speaker 2: times before, and so again you do great work up there.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the Penguin Plunge. It looks to me
Speaker 2: it's February eighth and ninth, which of course would be
Speaker 2: tomorrow and Sunday. Don't tell me. People have to stay
Speaker 2: in the water for two days.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no. And it's kind of an interesting
Speaker 5: story on that one. About seventeen years ago we stage
Speaker 5: everything in the Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom, and about seventeen
Speaker 5: years ago the event started to grow large enough that
Speaker 5: we were exceeding the capacity of the ballroom and that's
Speaker 5: when we decided to split Saturday off as a high
Speaker 5: school event. We got the New Hampshire Interscholastic Athletic Association involved,
Speaker 5: so the schools themselves compete against one another and this
Speaker 5: weekend is the largest single fundraising weekend for Special Olympics
Speaker 5: New Hampshire all year long. It's that's the tone for
Speaker 5: the whole rest of the year. So tomorrow a little
Speaker 5: more than four hundred. Right now, the computer says four
Speaker 5: hundred and six high schoolers plan on plunging at Hampton
Speaker 5: Beach from all different schools all across the state. And
Speaker 5: then on Sunday, six hundred and thirty penguin plungers will
Speaker 5: be hitting the water at Hampton Beach. It is the
Speaker 5: seventeenth annual High School Plunge and this year will mark
Speaker 5: the twenty sixth annual Penguin Plunge.
Speaker 2: So in all, one thousand, little over one thousand brave
Speaker 2: souls will dip more than their toes into the Atlantic Ocean,
Speaker 2: is what you're telling me.
Speaker 5: That's what is registered and signed up.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: As you know, we've got some weather on the way
Speaker 5: Saturday night and into Sunday, so we have taken to
Speaker 5: social media and to our website to let people know. Listen,
Speaker 5: if you think it's a little too dicey for you
Speaker 5: to be driving to Hampton Beach, because people do come
Speaker 5: from all over the state, then we're saying you don't
Speaker 5: have to do it. We've set up a way that
Speaker 5: if you've raised the money and you've done it online,
Speaker 5: we've already got that. And if you still have some
Speaker 5: funds that need to come to us, you can drop
Speaker 5: them off at any TD Bank branch in the state
Speaker 5: of New Hampshire and they will find their way to
Speaker 5: us and whatever premium items you qualified for, we will
Speaker 5: deliver it to you.
Speaker 2: So let's let's deal with the fund. What do you
Speaker 2: think you'll raise with these these two events, one again
Speaker 2: for high school kids and the and the rest for
Speaker 2: you know, older folks. What do you what do you
Speaker 2: hope to raise this weekend?
Speaker 5: Well, we would we would like to get somewhere near
Speaker 5: the million dollar mark. Uh. Not sure whether we can
Speaker 5: do that in one weekend or not, we are certainly
Speaker 5: going to give it a try. I can tell you
Speaker 5: that I think Dan.
Speaker 2: Would set I assumed that would set a record mark
Speaker 2: for for Special Olympics New Hampshire if you could, uh
Speaker 2: for the for the Penguin Plunge raise a million dollars.
Speaker 5: Well, the Penguin Plunge weekend last year did just about that.
Speaker 5: And and let me explain that to you a little bit.
Speaker 5: We've got various systems in place where some money trickles
Speaker 5: in after the fact. So it's one of those situations
Speaker 5: that when the weekend itself and we aren't sure exactly
Speaker 5: how much money really the event came got us until
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks later.
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's a big The point is it's a
Speaker 2: big fundraising event. How many are yeah, how many Special
Speaker 2: Olympic athletes? How many Special Olympians does New Hampshire Special
Speaker 2: Olympics serve over.
Speaker 5: The post COVID post COVID We're at about twenty seven hundred.
Speaker 5: They're in all ten counties in the state. They are
Speaker 5: spread across about seventy local programs run by volunteers all
Speaker 5: across the state and ninety school based programs. And the
Speaker 5: great thing about the Penguin Plunge weekend is every single
Speaker 5: penny that is made this weekend stays right here in
Speaker 5: New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Okay. And if there are people who are listening who
Speaker 2: maybe haven't signed up, but they'd like to support Special
Speaker 2: Olympics on New Hampshire, is there a way in which
Speaker 2: they can contact you easily? Either through the mail. How
Speaker 2: can folks who are listening tonight and admire the work
Speaker 2: you're doing. What can they do to help well?
Speaker 5: I will tell you that so O NH dot org
Speaker 5: is in Special Olympics New Hampshire. So O NH dot
Speaker 5: org is all things Special Olympics New Hampshire. At the
Speaker 5: very top of the homepage, we have the Penguin Plunge
Speaker 5: and if you click on that, you have the opportunity
Speaker 5: to make a donation. And I will be straight up
Speaker 5: with you on this dan. We are a little light
Speaker 5: on volunteers for the weekend. We've got the opportunity for
Speaker 5: some folks to come out and help us out. And
Speaker 5: not every job is outside. We have a lot of
Speaker 5: tasks that are inside both the Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom
Speaker 5: as well as the Ashworth Hotel, which is where we
Speaker 5: do all of our registration and all of our paperwork.
Speaker 5: So there are plenty of inside jobs that need to
Speaker 5: be young by volunteers and we still have room for
Speaker 5: plenty more volunteers. So you can go to s O
Speaker 5: n H dot org if you're inclined to make a donation.
Speaker 5: That's a wonderful thing for the programs and athletes or
Speaker 5: Special Olympics New Hampshire. But if you have some time
Speaker 5: and want to have a little fun between the hours
Speaker 5: of say nine am and two pm, either Saturday or Sunday,
Speaker 5: we are done by two o'clock in the afternoon. So
Speaker 5: no worries about missing any football games on Sunday evening,
Speaker 5: and we'll take any volunteers that want to help.
Speaker 2: Is there a football game Sunday night?
Speaker 5: I heard something about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the Patriots are not in that one.
Speaker 5: Though, I don't no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, no problem. I just wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: that I was I was aware of what you were
Speaker 2: talking about. You only joking, obviously, So even if what
Speaker 2: lives south or northeast of New Hampshire, people who are
Speaker 2: close to Hampton Beach in northeastern Massachusetts or in southeastern Maine,
Speaker 2: they can come across state lines also volunteer and help
Speaker 2: that There's no obligation to be a New Hampshire resident
Speaker 2: to help this weekend the Penguin Plunge. All right, great Mark,
Speaker 2: I think you got some good information out and hopefully
Speaker 2: we'll be able to wrestle up a few more volunteers
Speaker 2: for you a great cause. Thanks very much, best of
Speaker 2: luck and are you jumping in the ocean yourself or no.
Speaker 5: You know, I've been associated with this event for twenty
Speaker 5: five of it's twenty six years, and I did that
Speaker 5: about a dozen times over the course of the twenty
Speaker 5: five years. I've done it about twelve times, but at
Speaker 5: some point my cardiologist put a stop to it.
Speaker 2: So you'll continue your streak this year of not jumping
Speaker 2: into the Atlantic not jumping in which is commended to
Speaker 2: the streak alive. Okay, good enough, Thanks Mark, you just
Speaker 2: having fun with you. That's all very great one. Congratulations,
Speaker 2: Say hi to all the Olympians for us here on
Speaker 2: night Side. When we get back, right after the news
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hour, we're going to talk
Speaker 2: with a very interesting gentlemen who's a licensed licensed clinical
Speaker 2: worker and a marriage counselor. He's written a book, Fix
Speaker 2: Your Marriage Without Counseling, A Practical Method from method men
Speaker 2: will appreciate. It's an intriguing title. We'll be talking with
Speaker 2: Ziba Graham right after the news at the bottom of
Speaker 2: the arm. This is Dan Ray. This is Nightside w BZ, Boston,
Speaker 2: Boston's news radio ten thirty and your AM dial.
Speaker 1: It's on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, here's an intriguing guest with an interesting book. I'm
Speaker 2: delighted to welcome, Ziba Graham Zba. Okay, I got it right, easy,
Speaker 2: last name to pronounce. You're a licensed clinical social worker
Speaker 2: and a marriage counselor, as I understand as well.
Speaker 6: Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 2: Okay uh. And you have done this for some time,
Speaker 2: and apparently as a result of the positive results that
Speaker 2: you believe that you have achieved, you've written a book
Speaker 2: with an interesting title, Your Marriage without Counseling, a practical
Speaker 2: method men will appreciate. I suspect there's probably some female
Speaker 2: listeners tonight are saying, well, why is it that men
Speaker 2: will appreciate this? Tell us about it?
Speaker 6: Well, because men are a lot of times the last
Speaker 6: one to find out something's wrong. That's a simple explanation
Speaker 6: for that. But I tell you what, Dan, this has
Speaker 6: been a very interesting journey for me. I started out,
Speaker 6: you know, marriage counseling, and thought, boy, I want to
Speaker 6: help people, you know, have long marriages. And I wasn't
Speaker 6: having any Look, I don't know, it just seemed like
Speaker 6: I wasn't getting anywhere. You know. They would come in
Speaker 6: and say, well, I'm not happy, and you know, and
Speaker 6: such as that. And so what I did is I
Speaker 6: kind of cheeze my whole attitude, and I thought to myself,
Speaker 6: you know, these people have been getting along for a
Speaker 6: certain long time, and so all I have to do
Speaker 6: is find out what really works. And what I've found
Speaker 6: out is the most important question that I could ever ask,
Speaker 6: and that is, on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 6: where's your marriage now? With the one being the worst
Speaker 6: ever and ten being the best ever. Well, if they came,
Speaker 6: if they came in to see me, they were probably
Speaker 6: about a four. And then I would ask them more
Speaker 6: questions about where would you need to be to feel
Speaker 6: satisfied in your marriage? And usually they were saying about oh,
Speaker 6: maybe a seven or an eight. And then how willing
Speaker 6: are you to do your part? And so right away,
Speaker 6: and I knew exactly where they stood, and they know
Speaker 6: kind of where they stood. And then I would I
Speaker 6: would keep asking them questions, so like, what could you
Speaker 6: do to bring up your marriage? Maybe half a point?
Speaker 6: So what could he do to help you go up
Speaker 6: from a three to three and a half. Well, then
Speaker 6: he would say something, and you know, well she would say,
Speaker 6: maybe help Billy with his homework, or put gas in
Speaker 6: my car on Friday, or stop yelling at home, or
Speaker 6: stop complaining about my mom, you know. And so all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, I realized that they really knew what
Speaker 6: would help him go up, you know, up the scale,
Speaker 6: and so what would happen is And then I would
Speaker 6: ask both of them, what could you do to help
Speaker 6: yourself go up? What can your spouse do to help
Speaker 6: help me go up? And it was just amazing because
Speaker 6: I realized that the answers on their marriage journey was
Speaker 6: already in them, and it was more important for me
Speaker 6: to have the question than have the answer, because my
Speaker 6: answer was never the same as their answer. So that's
Speaker 6: how I got started in it. And I did that
Speaker 6: for years and I was having really good results. After
Speaker 6: about two or three sessions, they would start moving up
Speaker 6: on the scale and then they would tell me, well,
Speaker 6: I think we're okay now, so we won't see anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if I could just interject for a second,
Speaker 2: I think that that's a very interesting approach, and it's
Speaker 2: sort of like what I think most of us understand
Speaker 2: to be the Socratic method, where you're asking questions they
Speaker 2: happen to be open ended questions. But you basically with
Speaker 2: your questions are leading them to the solution, which is
Speaker 2: pretty brilliant approach. And I mean that's seriously when I
Speaker 2: say that, almost do the same thing with with your children.
Speaker 2: If the children used to behave uh if you say
Speaker 2: to the child, if you just yell at the kid,
Speaker 2: they that's not going to help them. But but if
Speaker 2: you say, now, you know, why did you do that?
Speaker 2: You know what why? You know? Why did why did
Speaker 2: you drop that glass on the floor, It looked to
Speaker 2: me like did you do that intentionally?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And that people will be honest with you. So that's
Speaker 2: that's pretty good. How long have you been using this
Speaker 2: pretty straightforward method. It's like, we all know what's wrong.
Speaker 2: We just have a difficult time communicating. I think that's
Speaker 2: the biggest problem that most people have. And you help
Speaker 2: them communicate.
Speaker 6: Oh exactly. And and you're right, that is kind of
Speaker 6: the socratic method. But and then, but the thing that
Speaker 6: I've found out, Dan, is that people were used in
Speaker 6: this scientific method and that doesn't work because the scientific method,
Speaker 6: first thing they ask is they go to the past
Speaker 6: and they look for weaknesses, you know, and you can't
Speaker 6: solve people problems by doing that, it just doesn't work.
Speaker 6: You have to go to this other method because the
Speaker 6: answers are already in the couple and you're just helping
Speaker 6: them tease out those answers. And so it was just
Speaker 6: so rewarding for me because when they said to me,
Speaker 6: you know, I think we're good now. And then when
Speaker 6: I retired, I wrote this book and it's got all
Speaker 6: that information in it, just how to do it and
Speaker 6: why the other stuff doesn't work, and this works great.
Speaker 6: So I thought to myself, I thought, you know, I
Speaker 6: just asked the questions, the answers are in them. I'll
Speaker 6: just put the quat questions in this book and explains
Speaker 6: how it works. And boy, it's really been amazing, you know,
Speaker 6: it's helped us. And then really, if you think about
Speaker 6: why people split, it's because little stuff just gets bigger
Speaker 6: and bigger and bigger, you know, and then things happen
Speaker 6: and people get sick and people die or something happens,
Speaker 6: and it's just the marriage is not strong enough to
Speaker 6: get through that. So this way, you know, if if
Speaker 6: the couple would ask themselves once a month, where are
Speaker 6: you on the scale, and if if your spouse says well,
Speaker 6: I'm a four. That's a danger signal if you can,
Speaker 6: if you can stay around seven and a half or eight,
Speaker 6: you're going to have a fifty five year marriage.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there aren't too many, too many tens out there.
Speaker 2: You get my drift, drift? So how do how do people?
Speaker 2: First of all, how is your book doing? Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it recently? Outers have been out.
Speaker 6: For a while, well just a few months, so so
Speaker 6: it's just kind of getting started. But I've been doing
Speaker 6: a lot of radio shows and some zoom interviews, and
Speaker 6: you know, I do a speaker's bureau on it, and
Speaker 6: and then I've got a website. And the website is
Speaker 6: fix your Marriage Book dot com. Fix your Marriage Book.
Speaker 2: And that's yeah, fix your Marriage Book dot com. That
Speaker 2: is a nice, simple direct site that most people can find. Uh,
Speaker 2: the book has been out a few months, is it?
Speaker 2: Is it? A? I got a sense from from just
Speaker 2: talking to you that it's probably a pretty easy book
Speaker 2: to absorb.
Speaker 6: It's really easy. It's it's one hundred and fifty pages,
Speaker 6: huge type you can read in an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: And makes it well that's important.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, yeah, people.
Speaker 2: We can get you can you can read these books
Speaker 2: that are seven hundred pages long and they're philosophical and
Speaker 2: their foot noted and and you know, and it's you
Speaker 2: just you gloss over. But on something like this, it
Speaker 2: sounds to me like you ship it to people that
Speaker 2: get it within two or three days and then they
Speaker 2: go a little bit of work. And look, marriages are tough.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they're not Yeah, they're not easy.
Speaker 2: I had a guest on last night who was a
Speaker 2: former governor of Wisconsin. His name was Marty Schreiber. He
Speaker 2: was the governor of Wisconsin in the late seventies, and
Speaker 2: his wife dealt with Alzheimer's for the last twenty years
Speaker 2: of her life. She passed a couple of long years ago.
Speaker 2: And this guy came across as the most supportive husband
Speaker 2: that you could ever imagine, who has dealt a horrific hand.
Speaker 2: And the name of his book, which you might want
Speaker 2: to just check out because I thought he was really interesting,
Speaker 2: called My Two Elaens. His wife's name obviously was Elaine,
Speaker 2: and you know, the Lane that he fell in love
Speaker 2: with and they lived most of his life with, and
Speaker 2: then the Elaine who who disappeared in this you know,
Speaker 2: horrific Cloud of dementia. Uh. It's interesting. We had two
Speaker 2: books which I think will help people, uh, in two
Speaker 2: different sets of circumstances. And I really like your approach.
Speaker 2: I really do. I think that communication and if you
Speaker 2: need a third party to expedite the communication like you
Speaker 2: do and have done, that's great. If not, they get
Speaker 2: the book and they can sit with each other and
Speaker 2: they can say, Okay, you know, where do you think
Speaker 2: we stand? Here's how I feel, Here's how you feel,
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, and uh, And I love I
Speaker 2: always love the idea of a scale of one to
Speaker 2: ten because everybody gets the bell curve. Everybody understands, you know,
Speaker 2: five is like the middle and anything better than five
Speaker 2: is okay. Going the other way, you're going the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: I really appre she sh had your time tonight, Zaba
Speaker 2: give you long eyes, okay, Graham, Yeah, I really appreciate
Speaker 2: your time tonight. Invest of luck with you book. You've
Speaker 2: been a very interesting guest.
Speaker 6: Okay, Dan, I enjoyed talking with you.
Speaker 2: Take care of right back at you. Okay, we get back.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to the former wife, the widow,
Speaker 2: if you will. Of Apollo fourteen. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell. Edgar
Speaker 2: Mitchell was the sixth astronaut to walk on the Moon.
Speaker 2: She has written a book which essentially is you Don't
Speaker 2: look like an Astronaut's wife. Uh and she I think
Speaker 2: she's going to be an interesting guest as well. That
Speaker 2: she will round out our fourth guest tonight, and I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to talking with her. Anita Mitchell will join
Speaker 2: us author and owner president of the Mitchell Group back
Speaker 2: on Night Side after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Night Signs to on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Want to welcome my next guest, Anita Mitchell. She's the
Speaker 2: former wife of Apollo fourteen astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who passed
Speaker 2: away a few years ago. Edgar Mitchell was the sixth
Speaker 2: astronaut to walk on the Moon. I don't know that
Speaker 2: there have been many astronauts who walked on the moon
Speaker 2: after astronaut Mitchell. Was he the last to walk on
Speaker 2: the moon? Anita? If I could he.
Speaker 7: No, thank you, No, he was right in the middle.
Speaker 7: There were six flights to the Moon and ed Flu
Speaker 7: with Albert Shepherd, Allen Shepherd, who was already very well known,
Speaker 7: and SUSA, and they were numbers number there was a
Speaker 7: third flight. They flew right after Apollo thirteen, which put
Speaker 7: me making Apollo fourteen a real finger crosser because that
Speaker 7: was going to make or break the rest of the program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. Alan Shepherd was from New Hampshire. We
Speaker 2: all knew of him. Yeah, yeah, the early astronauts.
Speaker 6: So he was in space actually was yes, sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first off, I guess after it was a Eurie gigar,
Speaker 2: and if if I recall.
Speaker 7: Correctly, well yeah, first first in American space. He was
Speaker 7: on the Redstone rocket. I always think as I was
Speaker 7: loaded the cape for a long time and saw that
Speaker 7: little thing sitting out there, you could have taken a
Speaker 7: a can opener and made a hole in it. That
Speaker 7: was that. That rocket went to to the school. My
Speaker 7: kids went to school, to elementary school and the name
Speaker 7: of the school of s Freedom seven and they had
Speaker 7: the rocket sitting in front of it in Cocoa Beach.
Speaker 2: Not bad. So you have written a book you don't
Speaker 2: look like an astronaut's wife, and it recounts remarkable stories
Speaker 2: and rivet this riveting new memoir. I I took the
Speaker 2: liberty of checking you out a little bit here, and
Speaker 2: you certainly have had had a. You've had a very
Speaker 2: interesting life being involved in all sorts of media government.
Speaker 2: I even noticed that that at one point you were
Speaker 2: doing a thirty minute talk show at one point early
Speaker 2: in your career.
Speaker 7: So, uh, and I'm doing a podcast, an hour podcast still,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 2: Anita, I do four hours a night, five nights a week.
Speaker 7: So oh no, I do I do once week for
Speaker 7: an hour.
Speaker 2: Well that's okay, that's that's okay. If I get retired,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll do that. But now I'm on twenty hours
Speaker 2: a week. And uh, I take probably forty hours to
Speaker 2: prep the show. Uh, you know, every every every week.
Speaker 2: It's it's a lot of work. People don't realize. But
Speaker 2: I want to know more about your book. Tell us,
Speaker 2: tell us more about the book. And and and I
Speaker 2: guess there some stories in here, says, remarkable stories in
Speaker 2: a riveting new memoir. So open open up a couple
Speaker 2: of pages for us. Up. We don't expect you to
Speaker 2: give away the whole book, but I want to have
Speaker 2: you given up.
Speaker 7: Actually I'm happy too, And a person I want to
Speaker 7: buy it. They can go to my website, which is
Speaker 7: www dot Anita ka Middlely just k Mitchell dot com.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: The way, here's a tip that that that www stuff
Speaker 2: don't even worry about. It's just Anita kmtchell dot com
Speaker 2: and just just as quick that www thing, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even worry about that anymore. So Anita Kmitchell dot com
Speaker 2: tell us about the book.
Speaker 4: You good plub thank you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: The book started because a reporter at the Palm Beach
Speaker 7: Post by the name of Dan moffatt Uh. He was
Speaker 7: the sports editor, and I was on the sports commission,
Speaker 7: and ultimately he became an editor of the major paper.
Speaker 7: But we talked about ten minutes of sports and he
Speaker 7: had followed ed and I because we believed here a
Speaker 7: long time in bumbag, and he would ask a question
Speaker 7: and it seems as though you asked me a question,
Speaker 7: I've got a story. So we did this for about
Speaker 7: a year. I met once a month, and one day
Speaker 7: he came and we were meeting and he said, neat
Speaker 7: write a book. And I laughed. I said, I don't
Speaker 7: think I've been done it to write a book about.
Speaker 7: And he said, no needed is found about you, but
Speaker 7: your stories are priceless. And he kept it up and
Speaker 7: kept it up and did an overview and sent it
Speaker 7: to a few people, and that was like five years ago.
Speaker 7: And lo and behold, a collaborator called me and we're
Speaker 7: on our way to releasing the book. Munch that I continued,
Speaker 7: And so the book's not.
Speaker 2: Even the book is not out yet. Okay, that's okay,
Speaker 2: So just give us, give us an overview. Obviously you
Speaker 2: met a lot of people along the pathway of life,
Speaker 2: I could tell from the pictures that are on your website.
Speaker 2: Give us a story or two which will wet people's
Speaker 2: appetite happy too.
Speaker 7: First of all, you have to know that I'm from
Speaker 7: a very small town in Ohio and Dina, Ohio. I've
Speaker 7: town of maybe three four thousand people at the time
Speaker 7: outside of Cleveland. And the chance of me marrying who
Speaker 7: sikes me on the walk on the is an anomaly
Speaker 7: for one thing. And who introduced us was Mickey Mouse.
Speaker 7: So I think that's why Dan thought there was a
Speaker 7: story here. And you know ed Ed was a very
Speaker 7: accomplished Not only was he a test bitlet a fighter pilot,
Speaker 7: but he had two PhDs he helped He's a lunar commander,
Speaker 7: lunar module commander on Apollo fourteen, and then he did
Speaker 7: the ESP experiments on the moon. And so that was
Speaker 7: the journey for a girl from Ohio that was really fascinating.
Speaker 7: I met Ed after the year after he had flown,
Speaker 7: and he spent the rest of his career, as he
Speaker 7: puts it, exploring from the eyeball out. And he brought
Speaker 7: Uri Geller here from Israel and studied his psych capabilities.
Speaker 2: Be spoons, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And actually that's when Dan got my attention, because I
Speaker 7: kept saying, Dan, you know I don't can't write about
Speaker 7: He said, Nita, how many people have wonder Von Braun,
Speaker 7: Rob Surling, an arch c Clark, and Uri Geller and
Speaker 7: a dinner at your house while URI's spoons. And I said, well, well,
Speaker 7: I guess that is fine.
Speaker 2: I hope you kept them away from the good silverware.
Speaker 2: That's my only concern in.
Speaker 7: But Ed Brown in here and studying in that Standford
Speaker 7: Research Institute, which is one of the world's greatest thing tanks,
Speaker 7: and as.
Speaker 2: The girlfriend.
Speaker 4: In the lab and want some amazing things. Trying to
Speaker 4: explain it to my poor mother and dad back in
Speaker 4: the Dinah was a chore. It was my mother couldn't
Speaker 4: quite get her head around the psychic part. The journey
Speaker 4: was an interesting one and I learned so much because
Speaker 4: Ed explored everything the fruits, the nuts, the flakes, and
Speaker 4: the great physicists of all time.
Speaker 2: To also as I understood it, I just did a
Speaker 2: quick little research. He believed that about eighty percent of
Speaker 2: the items that they now call they used to call
Speaker 2: them UFOs. They have a different terminology, you know, they
Speaker 2: did different, different phrase, no longer unidentified flying objects, but
Speaker 2: it was a sort of a metaphor, sort of another phrase.
Speaker 2: And I can't think of it for a moment, but
Speaker 2: he believes that about eighty percent of those sightings were
Speaker 2: actually visitors from out of space.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 7: And one of the interesting stories early in my marriage
Speaker 7: to Ed, he did the Larry King Show in New
Speaker 7: York when he was on radio, and Larry was on
Speaker 7: radio and I was in the green room while he
Speaker 7: was on the air, and another couple came into the
Speaker 7: green room who was going on made the guest next,
Speaker 7: and they came in with an item that had a
Speaker 7: blanket over it and married.
Speaker 4: Very long to edge. So this is all pretty new.
Speaker 7: And they took the blanket off and I said, oh,
Speaker 7: what is that?
Speaker 4: They said, well, this is.
Speaker 7: A model of the alien that abducted us.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, it's right.
Speaker 6: You know I was braved.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal in Nita, I'm flat out of time,
Speaker 2: you know from radio. We got to give that now.
Speaker 2: People got to read the book. That's a great story.
Speaker 2: It's it's Anita Kmitchell dot com. Simple as that. Get
Speaker 2: the book coming out, you said in March. All right, well,
Speaker 2: best of luck with the book, and we may have
Speaker 2: you back if you if you'd like to come on
Speaker 2: after the book, come on for a few minutes after
Speaker 2: the book is out and available, we'll be happy to
Speaker 2: bring you back.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'd love to.
Speaker 7: Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Anita, you've been a good sport. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. When we get back, we're going to get
Speaker 2: the latest on the snow that's coming in this weekend,
Speaker 2: and I think it's going to be for real, that's
Speaker 2: my sense. But I've sensed that for a couple of
Speaker 2: days the weather seems to be ready for a snowdrop.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on night's after the nine o'clock news