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<v Speaker 1>And yes, don't you feel don't you feel like we,

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<v Speaker 1>the American people right now are being caught in the

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<v Speaker 1>rhetorical crossfire between Elon Musk, the world's richest man, and

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<v Speaker 1>President Donald Trump, the world's most powerful man, Because I

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<v Speaker 1>sure do.

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<v Speaker 2>It is always just it's.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those things where you see two titans go

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<v Speaker 1>at it, and you go at it in a very

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<v Speaker 1>personal way, and you wonder what the heck is going

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<v Speaker 1>on In a moment, we will get some exceptional analysis

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<v Speaker 1>from a crisis in communication, coach, But I do have

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<v Speaker 1>some breaking news that came out just in the last

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<v Speaker 1>little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>We've not been able to get to it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, remember so called Maryland Dad kilmar Abrego Garcia.

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<v Speaker 2>He was deported to El Salvador.

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<v Speaker 1>You had multiple Democrats who went to do some publicity

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<v Speaker 1>stunts to show, hey, I really care about this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>when quite frankly, he's not the poster child for the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a legal immigrant you would want to be

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<v Speaker 1>standing up for if you're looking at that angle. And well, now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Attorney General Pam Bondi, he's being returned to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. Yes, but to face criminal charges related

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<v Speaker 1>to what the Trump administration said was a massive human

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<v Speaker 1>smuggling operation that brought immigrants into the country illegally.

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<v Speaker 2>This from the Associated Press.

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<v Speaker 1>He's expected to be prosecuted in the US and if convicted,

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<v Speaker 1>will be returned to his home country in El Salvador.

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<v Speaker 1>At the conclusion of the case, official said Friday, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what American justice looks like, Pam Bondy said in

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<v Speaker 1>The charges stem from a twenty twenty two vehicle stop

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<v Speaker 1>in which the Tennessee Highway Patrols suspected him of human trafficking.

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<v Speaker 1>In a report release by Department of Homeland Security in

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<v Speaker 1>April states none of the people in the vehicle at luggage,

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<v Speaker 1>while they listed the same address as Abrego Garcia. He

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<v Speaker 1>was never charged with the crime, but officers allowed him

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<v Speaker 1>to drive on with only a warning about an expirer's

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<v Speaker 1>driver's license. Well, the federal government is now escalating it

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<v Speaker 1>with charges.

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<v Speaker 2>To talk a little bit about this and really.

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<v Speaker 1>Dive into the feud between Elon Mosk and Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very pleased to be rejoined here on KOA by

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<v Speaker 1>Rashini raj Kumar. She is a communication and crisis coach

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<v Speaker 1>has worked with Fortune five hundred companies, many of them.

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<v Speaker 1>She's someone folks go to for expert insights on situations

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<v Speaker 1>like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Feud and what to do and what not to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And she is host of the Crisis Files podcast, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a must listen to podcast and longtime guest of

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<v Speaker 1>yours truly joining me now, Good afternoon, Roshini, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to Koa.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's great to be back, Jimmy, and always fun.

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<v Speaker 4>To talk with you, especially about these very crisis laid

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<v Speaker 4>in topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, especially when you make your own crisis. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>does make our own crisis. It just has some fun

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<v Speaker 1>with it. Elon, how about that? But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to that, you are a licensed attorney as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>I should mention you got a book called Communicate that

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<v Speaker 1>your toolbox for a powerful presence.

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<v Speaker 2>But Abragio Garcia, this story is pretty big.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly if he gets convicted and what happens is this

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<v Speaker 1>could be a roundabout way to get him back to

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<v Speaker 1>El Salvador.

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<v Speaker 2>But what do you make of it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what I would like to think is when the

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<v Speaker 3>Attorney General announces charges and announces some of the findings

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<v Speaker 3>from the grand jury, I'd like to think all.

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<v Speaker 4>Of that is as accurate as could possibly be for me, because.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't want it to.

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<v Speaker 5>Get to that level unless there is absolute truth behind it,

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<v Speaker 5>evidence behind it. When you hear something like what was

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<v Speaker 5>it one hundred possible trips traveling back and forth, trafficking

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<v Speaker 5>people that's what's alleged, that is pretty stunning.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't think you can make that up.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you can't, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It is stunning, and it seemed in.

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<v Speaker 3>The words of Pambondi she didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Say it at least that I heard, but almost insinuating that.

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<v Speaker 3>There were some kind of abuse.

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<v Speaker 5>Charges also that could be involved, or suspicion of some

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<v Speaker 5>of the abuse when she's mentioning the women that were

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<v Speaker 5>involved and under his authority.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's so much more to come here.

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<v Speaker 3>And as long.

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<v Speaker 5>As the legal authorities, the Justice Department sticks to the

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<v Speaker 5>letters of the statutes and follow procedure, if these chargers

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<v Speaker 5>are absolutely true and credible, there should be some kind

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<v Speaker 5>of conviction that comes down. And no matter how you

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<v Speaker 5>look at it, though Jimmy, unfortunately there will be pol

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<v Speaker 5>let's explain here well.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we shift gears, I do want to think for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment about Chris van Holland, just as an example,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the senator from Maryland, the state that Abrego Garcia

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<v Speaker 1>was living in the United States, and he had went

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<v Speaker 1>to El Salvador, made a big deal out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>We already knew that the federal government had been claiming

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<v Speaker 1>that he is Albrego Garcia as a member of MS thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was already making the assertion in saying, look,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not the guy that you should be using

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<v Speaker 1>as your prime example of injustice being done to illegal

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants who shouldn't be mistreated and what have you. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that this trial happens and he does get

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<v Speaker 1>convicted and then sent to El Salvador legally as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>like with the proper authority, as a result of being

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of this, how might that reflect on Democrats who

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<v Speaker 1>went to that extent of let's travel to El Salvador.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's make this guy our prime example.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, he's not really a poster child for

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<v Speaker 4>anything good. And even if all of this.

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<v Speaker 5>Was inaccurate, that's not the poster child you want anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>So with those trips to l Salvador.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely things were being made so political and right now,

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<v Speaker 5>I would just like all sides to read up on

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<v Speaker 5>their statutes, read up on the Constitution, and the trials

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<v Speaker 5>and any potential trial should be conducted absolutely according.

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<v Speaker 3>To all the rules of the system.

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<v Speaker 5>That's really where I want to land on this, and

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<v Speaker 5>that's what every member of Congress should be thinking about,

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<v Speaker 5>as well as the Justice Department as it.

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<v Speaker 3>Does its duty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that should be a pretty clear to

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<v Speaker 1>be sure. Then let's shift over to the Breaking Romance

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<v Speaker 1>with you, Rashini raj Kumar, our guest host of the

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<v Speaker 1>Crisis Files podcast, And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, this is pretty crazy. The whole story.

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<v Speaker 1>It started really with Elon Musk dissenting and protesting, opposing

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<v Speaker 1>the big beautiful bill. And yesterday President Trump said the

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<v Speaker 1>following I'm gonna play this clip where he was at

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<v Speaker 1>least trying to be pleasant to Musk.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember he was here for a long time.

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<v Speaker 6>You saw a man who was very happy when he

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<v Speaker 2>I said, do you want a little make up?

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<v Speaker 6>We'll get you to the Mecca, but he said no,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think so, which is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And very nice.

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<v Speaker 7>He wants to be who he is, so you could

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<v Speaker 7>make that safement two I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, Elon and I had a great relationship. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if we will anymore. I was surprised because you

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<v Speaker 2>were here. Everybody in this room practically was here, as

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<v Speaker 2>we had a wonderful sendo. He said wonderful things about me.

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<v Speaker 6>You couldn't have nicer, said that testinate, he's warned the

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<v Speaker 6>hat Trump was right about everything.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am right about the great big beautiful bill.

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<v Speaker 2>We call it a great, big beautiful bill because.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it is. But then, of course Musk said

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<v Speaker 1>kill bill, as in kill that bill. He said that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was a liar when Trump said that Elon had

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<v Speaker 1>gone ahead and supported this privately and then suddenly left

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<v Speaker 1>the office or left the position at doge in the

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<v Speaker 1>White House and started attacking him Elon, calling him a liar. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>you had yesterday the biggest claim, which was he's on

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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein files and that's why they weren't released. That's

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<v Speaker 1>from Elon Mouse. Meanwhile President Trump saying, hey, this guy

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<v Speaker 2>Trump derangement syndrome. All of that. So that's a long

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<v Speaker 2>lead in for.

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<v Speaker 1>Your Rashmi Raskumar, your take, Well, the war.

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<v Speaker 4>Of words not surprising to me by these two men.

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<v Speaker 5>But it gets to where you kind of have to

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<v Speaker 5>really step.

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<v Speaker 4>Back and as I say to my clients, assess your

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<v Speaker 4>audience before you even speak up in the first place.

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<v Speaker 5>And in this case, at this point, both sides should

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<v Speaker 5>assess their audience. And Elon Musk really needs to assess

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<v Speaker 5>what he's up against her.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Trump, He's the.

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<v Speaker 4>President of the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>He has a lot of Republican backing.

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<v Speaker 3>And even if Elon Musk is trying to drive that.

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<v Speaker 5>Wedge even a Republican party, or make many Republicans go

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<v Speaker 5>against Trump, it's.

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<v Speaker 4>A very big uphill battle. So assess the.

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<v Speaker 5>Audience, Alon, and then my advice to both sides is

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<v Speaker 5>take the weekend off, stay out.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the news cycle for a bit, because.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone's going to be talking about it all weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not going to be out of the news, but

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<v Speaker 4>to stop saying stuff for forty eight or seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>D Wait, wait, Rashini, you're talking about logical advice.

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<v Speaker 2>But these are two people who create the attention.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, they do create the attention.

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<v Speaker 5>I do think, as you pointed out with a clip

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<v Speaker 5>you played, Trump was.

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<v Speaker 4>Trying to be softer in the beginning, but if you're gonna.

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<v Speaker 5>Wave the Jeffrey Epstein thing in front of Trump, he's

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<v Speaker 5>probably got to come back with maybe not it wasn't me,

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<v Speaker 5>but something else about a line, And we landed.

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<v Speaker 3>With this Trump derangement syndrome.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it just gets preposterous and crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think any American is really losing sleep over it.

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<v Speaker 5>But what this does affect our actual markets, actual companies,

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<v Speaker 5>and people's livelihoods. So Ellen Musk has a fiduciary duty

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<v Speaker 5>to his company, to his board, and his stockholders.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's something to be thinking about as a.

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<v Speaker 5>Separate thing before he goes and flouts his mouth or

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<v Speaker 5>takes his megaphone somewhere. The other piece of this Jimmy

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<v Speaker 5>that I just don't want people to forget.

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<v Speaker 3>Is anything connected.

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<v Speaker 4>To the big beautiful bill, two bill, three bills, whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>It ends up being. That is the role that is

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<v Speaker 3>the job of the.

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<v Speaker 5>United States Congress, both the House and the Senate, to

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<v Speaker 5>hash out things in legislation, in bills.

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<v Speaker 4>Before they are passed into law.

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<v Speaker 3>So it really.

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<v Speaker 5>Does start first with those members of the House and

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<v Speaker 5>members of the Senate.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's where the influence has to be.

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<v Speaker 5>And then of course they want to put something together

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<v Speaker 5>that the president will find into law, but it is ultimately.

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<v Speaker 4>The Congress that is working through and hashing through these bills.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get your reaction to two different things

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<v Speaker 1>that I think each helped to underscore the absurdity of

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<v Speaker 1>So Elon goes kill the bill, and Trump goes. Elon

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<v Speaker 1>So Trump goes we waste billions on Elon. So Elon

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, your reacts, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is why that we're on the X platform.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why a lot of people are fleeing X.

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<v Speaker 5>Of bought battles or other deranged people's battles. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Because when they speak, people do listen, and even when

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<v Speaker 4>That are preposterous.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is where when we go, we go back

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<v Speaker 5>The things I do Jimmy the executive coaching for leaders

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<v Speaker 3>You always have to be above.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to have some executive mindset when you know

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<v Speaker 5>A position of leadership and have the absolute potential to

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<v Speaker 4>If not millions of people.

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<v Speaker 3>So both of these men are behaving badly.

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<v Speaker 4>They should stop and they should definitely shut their mouths.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, we have a very exclusive recording from a very

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<v Speaker 1>very real President Trump talking about the relationship and romance

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<v Speaker 2>Take a listen to this exclusive clip.

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<v Speaker 6>I was talking with a very great directive friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 6>he was going he said, mister President, you should really

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<v Speaker 6>make a romance movie about you and Ela.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, that's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's call it. When Elon Metdonald and it would have

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<v Speaker 6>of like a casa blanca casablanca, which means white.

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<v Speaker 6>But now they might as well call it when Harry

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<v Speaker 1>I think that uh for my friend Mark Corgan, that

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<v Speaker 1>I think encapsulates the of absurdity of this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I have the question whether that is

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<v Speaker 5>it really is an exclamation point on this whole ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>It really is, which is why the sattire is the

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<v Speaker 2>A second, is this the real guy for one second?

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<v Speaker 3>And with Jimmy, as we used.

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of encapsulate for us. Is this something that

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<v Speaker 2>They both He's like, they both need each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're gonna, you know, figuratively speaking, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>kiss and make up and they'll be friends again, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least working relationship. Obviously they've been at odds in

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<v Speaker 2>How do you think this goes forward?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, is it possible for them to kiss and makeup?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I mean George w and Clinton can become best

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<v Speaker 5>buddies and go on.

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<v Speaker 4>The road together on their speaking tours. Anything is possible.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think I don't know that both.

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<v Speaker 4>Of these men have shown such volatility. I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>That's where we are. And when you don't have trust,

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<v Speaker 1>And I would actually ask did they have trust when

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<v Speaker 1>he was brought into the administration originally, because I actually

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<v Speaker 4>Good question, very good question.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out the Crisis Files podcast on the iHeartRadio app

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<v Speaker 1>and at the crisisfiles dot com. Rashini Rajkumar, it's host,

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<v Speaker 1>can our guests thanks so much for joining us, my friend, appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>And have a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Jimmy, you too.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, Rashini raj Kumar joining us on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have to tell you of absurdity. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. How do you feel about this? We're

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<v Speaker 1>wrapping up and winding down the show for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to be back next Wednesday and Friday

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<v Speaker 1>Once you know that Sangenberger is easy and real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we end, Zach was filling me in on something.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am not a horror movie guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a movie that has been in theater

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<v Speaker 1>is a film called Sinners, which actually has the legendary

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<v Speaker 1>bluesman Buddy Guy in it. It stars Michael B. Jordan, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Star Michael B. Jordan?

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<v Speaker 1>And I know a lot of blue stuff blues tropes,

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<v Speaker 1>old Delta blues. You were making your pitch off air

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's a fantastic movie. You know, Ryan Coogler knows

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<v Speaker 7>what he's doing. Fantastic director. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>even for the people who aren't the biggest horror movie fans,

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<v Speaker 7>I definitely wouldn't, say my girlfriend is. And we went

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<v Speaker 7>of the way pretty much on the on the jump

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was.

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<v Speaker 7>I thought it was absolutely excellent, Maybe the best vampire

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<v Speaker 7>movie I've ever seen, the best like film execution of that,

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<v Speaker 7>the blue stuff in it, the music integration, like almost

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<v Speaker 2>Because of that, a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff, the you know, I mean, heck, Robert Johnson, most

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<v Speaker 1>famous blues man ever. Arguably he sold us soul to

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<v Speaker 7>And they reference that, they reference some elements of yeah

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<v Speaker 7>of the coolest shots scenes Ben's nodding his head back

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<v Speaker 7>here in the studio with me, that I've seen in

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<v Speaker 7>film in years, if not my entire life. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>Overall.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's you know, at eight point five nine

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<v Speaker 7>out of ten movie, and I think I'm a pretty

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<v Speaker 7>harsh grader.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's fantastic. You said it's coming out on streaming soon, so.

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<v Speaker 7>I will I will check out this week even it

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<v Speaker 7>should be out for people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I will definitely check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I saw Bobby Rush with Kenny Wayne Sheppard

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Rush is ninety one, still alive and well, and

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<v Speaker 2>Check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks that great work today. Always love working with you

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<v Speaker 1>behind the glass. That is once again it for me

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<v Speaker 1>today and I'll be back on Wednesday. I'll see you then,

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<v Speaker 1>have a great weekend. Congratulations again to Kathy Walker's thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five years retiring today. Look forward to still hearing your

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<v Speaker 1>weekend once again, and make God bless America.