Speaker 1: And yes, don't you feel don't you feel like we,
Speaker 1: the American people right now are being caught in the
Speaker 1: rhetorical crossfire between Elon Musk, the world's richest man, and
Speaker 1: President Donald Trump, the world's most powerful man, Because I
Speaker 1: sure do.
Speaker 2: It is always just it's.
Speaker 1: One of those things where you see two titans go
Speaker 1: at it, and you go at it in a very
Speaker 1: personal way, and you wonder what the heck is going
Speaker 1: on In a moment, we will get some exceptional analysis
Speaker 1: from a crisis in communication, coach, But I do have
Speaker 1: some breaking news that came out just in the last
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: We've not been able to get to it yet.
Speaker 1: Well, remember so called Maryland Dad kilmar Abrego Garcia.
Speaker 2: He was deported to El Salvador.
Speaker 1: You had multiple Democrats who went to do some publicity
Speaker 1: stunts to show, hey, I really care about this guy,
Speaker 1: when quite frankly, he's not the poster child for the
Speaker 1: kind of a legal immigrant you would want to be
Speaker 1: standing up for if you're looking at that angle. And well, now,
Speaker 1: according to Attorney General Pam Bondi, he's being returned to
Speaker 1: the United States. Yes, but to face criminal charges related
Speaker 1: to what the Trump administration said was a massive human
Speaker 1: smuggling operation that brought immigrants into the country illegally.
Speaker 2: This from the Associated Press.
Speaker 1: He's expected to be prosecuted in the US and if convicted,
Speaker 1: will be returned to his home country in El Salvador.
Speaker 1: At the conclusion of the case, official said Friday, this
Speaker 1: is what American justice looks like, Pam Bondy said in
Speaker 1: The charges stem from a twenty twenty two vehicle stop
Speaker 1: in which the Tennessee Highway Patrols suspected him of human trafficking.
Speaker 1: In a report release by Department of Homeland Security in
Speaker 1: April states none of the people in the vehicle at luggage,
Speaker 1: while they listed the same address as Abrego Garcia. He
Speaker 1: was never charged with the crime, but officers allowed him
Speaker 1: to drive on with only a warning about an expirer's
Speaker 1: driver's license. Well, the federal government is now escalating it
Speaker 1: with charges.
Speaker 2: To talk a little bit about this and really.
Speaker 1: Dive into the feud between Elon Mosk and Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I'm very pleased to be rejoined here on KOA by
Speaker 1: Rashini raj Kumar. She is a communication and crisis coach
Speaker 1: has worked with Fortune five hundred companies, many of them.
Speaker 1: She's someone folks go to for expert insights on situations
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: Feud and what to do and what not to do.
Speaker 1: And she is host of the Crisis Files podcast, which
Speaker 1: is a must listen to podcast and longtime guest of
Speaker 1: yours truly joining me now, Good afternoon, Roshini, and welcome
Speaker 1: back to Koa.
Speaker 3: Oh it's great to be back, Jimmy, and always fun.
Speaker 4: To talk with you, especially about these very crisis laid
Speaker 4: in topic.
Speaker 1: Yes, especially when you make your own crisis. It's like
Speaker 1: does make our own crisis. It just has some fun
Speaker 1: with it. Elon, how about that? But before we get
Speaker 1: to that, you are a licensed attorney as well, and
Speaker 1: I should mention you got a book called Communicate that
Speaker 1: your toolbox for a powerful presence.
Speaker 2: But Abragio Garcia, this story is pretty big.
Speaker 1: Certainly if he gets convicted and what happens is this
Speaker 1: could be a roundabout way to get him back to
Speaker 1: El Salvador.
Speaker 2: But what do you make of it?
Speaker 3: Well, what I would like to think is when the
Speaker 3: Attorney General announces charges and announces some of the findings
Speaker 3: from the grand jury, I'd like to think all.
Speaker 4: Of that is as accurate as could possibly be for me, because.
Speaker 3: We don't want it to.
Speaker 5: Get to that level unless there is absolute truth behind it,
Speaker 5: evidence behind it. When you hear something like what was
Speaker 5: it one hundred possible trips traveling back and forth, trafficking
Speaker 5: people that's what's alleged, that is pretty stunning.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think you can make that up.
Speaker 3: I hope you can't, but.
Speaker 4: It is stunning, and it seemed in.
Speaker 3: The words of Pambondi she didn't.
Speaker 4: Say it at least that I heard, but almost insinuating that.
Speaker 3: There were some kind of abuse.
Speaker 5: Charges also that could be involved, or suspicion of some
Speaker 5: of the abuse when she's mentioning the women that were
Speaker 5: involved and under his authority.
Speaker 4: So there's so much more to come here.
Speaker 3: And as long.
Speaker 5: As the legal authorities, the Justice Department sticks to the
Speaker 5: letters of the statutes and follow procedure, if these chargers
Speaker 5: are absolutely true and credible, there should be some kind
Speaker 5: of conviction that comes down. And no matter how you
Speaker 5: look at it, though Jimmy, unfortunately there will be pol
Speaker 5: let's explain here well.
Speaker 1: Before we shift gears, I do want to think for
Speaker 1: a moment about Chris van Holland, just as an example,
Speaker 1: he's the senator from Maryland, the state that Abrego Garcia
Speaker 1: was living in the United States, and he had went
Speaker 1: to El Salvador, made a big deal out of it.
Speaker 1: We already knew that the federal government had been claiming
Speaker 1: that he is Albrego Garcia as a member of MS thirteen,
Speaker 1: and so I was already making the assertion in saying, look,
Speaker 1: this is not the guy that you should be using
Speaker 1: as your prime example of injustice being done to illegal
Speaker 1: immigrants who shouldn't be mistreated and what have you. Well,
Speaker 1: let's say that this trial happens and he does get
Speaker 1: convicted and then sent to El Salvador legally as a result,
Speaker 1: like with the proper authority, as a result of being
Speaker 1: convicted of this, how might that reflect on Democrats who
Speaker 1: went to that extent of let's travel to El Salvador.
Speaker 2: Let's make this guy our prime example.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he's not really a poster child for
Speaker 4: anything good. And even if all of this.
Speaker 5: Was inaccurate, that's not the poster child you want anyway.
Speaker 4: So with those trips to l Salvador.
Speaker 5: Definitely things were being made so political and right now,
Speaker 5: I would just like all sides to read up on
Speaker 5: their statutes, read up on the Constitution, and the trials
Speaker 5: and any potential trial should be conducted absolutely according.
Speaker 3: To all the rules of the system.
Speaker 5: That's really where I want to land on this, and
Speaker 5: that's what every member of Congress should be thinking about,
Speaker 5: as well as the Justice Department as it.
Speaker 3: Does its duty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that should be a pretty clear to
Speaker 1: be sure. Then let's shift over to the Breaking Romance
Speaker 1: with you, Rashini raj Kumar, our guest host of the
Speaker 1: Crisis Files podcast, And I don't know.
Speaker 2: To me, this is pretty crazy. The whole story.
Speaker 1: It started really with Elon Musk dissenting and protesting, opposing
Speaker 1: the big beautiful bill. And yesterday President Trump said the
Speaker 1: following I'm gonna play this clip where he was at
Speaker 1: least trying to be pleasant to Musk.
Speaker 2: Remember he was here for a long time.
Speaker 6: You saw a man who was very happy when he
Speaker 6: stood behind the oval desk, and even with the black guy.
Speaker 2: I said, do you want a little make up?
Speaker 6: We'll get you to the Mecca, but he said no,
Speaker 6: I don't think so, which is interesting.
Speaker 2: And very nice.
Speaker 7: He wants to be who he is, so you could
Speaker 7: make that safement two I guess.
Speaker 2: Look, Elon and I had a great relationship. I don't
Speaker 2: know if we will anymore. I was surprised because you
Speaker 2: were here. Everybody in this room practically was here, as
Speaker 2: we had a wonderful sendo. He said wonderful things about me.
Speaker 6: You couldn't have nicer, said that testinate, he's warned the
Speaker 6: hat Trump was right about everything.
Speaker 3: And I am right about the great big beautiful bill.
Speaker 2: We call it a great, big beautiful bill because.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. But then, of course Musk said
Speaker 1: kill bill, as in kill that bill. He said that
Speaker 1: Trump was a liar when Trump said that Elon had
Speaker 1: gone ahead and supported this privately and then suddenly left
Speaker 1: the office or left the position at doge in the
Speaker 1: White House and started attacking him Elon, calling him a liar. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: you had yesterday the biggest claim, which was he's on
Speaker 1: the Epstein files and that's why they weren't released. That's
Speaker 1: from Elon Mouse. Meanwhile President Trump saying, hey, this guy
Speaker 1: is a.
Speaker 2: Trump derangement syndrome. All of that. So that's a long
Speaker 2: lead in for.
Speaker 1: Your Rashmi Raskumar, your take, Well, the war.
Speaker 4: Of words not surprising to me by these two men.
Speaker 5: But it gets to where you kind of have to
Speaker 5: really step.
Speaker 4: Back and as I say to my clients, assess your
Speaker 4: audience before you even speak up in the first place.
Speaker 5: And in this case, at this point, both sides should
Speaker 5: assess their audience. And Elon Musk really needs to assess
Speaker 5: what he's up against her.
Speaker 3: It's Trump, He's the.
Speaker 4: President of the United States.
Speaker 5: He has a lot of Republican backing.
Speaker 3: And even if Elon Musk is trying to drive that.
Speaker 5: Wedge even a Republican party, or make many Republicans go
Speaker 5: against Trump, it's.
Speaker 4: A very big uphill battle. So assess the.
Speaker 5: Audience, Alon, and then my advice to both sides is
Speaker 5: take the weekend off, stay out.
Speaker 4: Of the news cycle for a bit, because.
Speaker 5: Everyone's going to be talking about it all weekend.
Speaker 4: You're not going to be out of the news, but
Speaker 4: to stop saying stuff for forty eight or seventy two.
Speaker 1: D Wait, wait, Rashini, you're talking about logical advice.
Speaker 2: But these are two people who create the attention.
Speaker 4: Yes, they do create the attention.
Speaker 5: I do think, as you pointed out with a clip
Speaker 5: you played, Trump was.
Speaker 4: Trying to be softer in the beginning, but if you're gonna.
Speaker 5: Wave the Jeffrey Epstein thing in front of Trump, he's
Speaker 5: probably got to come back with maybe not it wasn't me,
Speaker 5: but something else about a line, And we landed.
Speaker 3: With this Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 4: I mean, it just gets preposterous and crazy.
Speaker 5: I don't think any American is really losing sleep over it.
Speaker 5: But what this does affect our actual markets, actual companies,
Speaker 5: and people's livelihoods. So Ellen Musk has a fiduciary duty
Speaker 5: to his company, to his board, and his stockholders.
Speaker 4: So that's something to be thinking about as a.
Speaker 5: Separate thing before he goes and flouts his mouth or
Speaker 5: takes his megaphone somewhere. The other piece of this Jimmy
Speaker 5: that I just don't want people to forget.
Speaker 3: Is anything connected.
Speaker 4: To the big beautiful bill, two bill, three bills, whatever.
Speaker 3: It ends up being. That is the role that is
Speaker 3: the job of the.
Speaker 5: United States Congress, both the House and the Senate, to
Speaker 5: hash out things in legislation, in bills.
Speaker 4: Before they are passed into law.
Speaker 3: So it really.
Speaker 5: Does start first with those members of the House and
Speaker 5: members of the Senate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where the influence has to be.
Speaker 5: And then of course they want to put something together
Speaker 5: that the president will find into law, but it is ultimately.
Speaker 4: The Congress that is working through and hashing through these bills.
Speaker 1: I want to get your reaction to two different things
Speaker 1: that I think each helped to underscore the absurdity of
Speaker 1: the whole situation.
Speaker 2: Reshienie Rashkomar one one one.
Speaker 1: Is a tweet that was put out by someone I'm
Speaker 1: betting you know is someone on the left too, from
Speaker 1: one or two of the words used but tweeted out this.
Speaker 1: So Elon goes kill the bill, and Trump goes. Elon
Speaker 1: has TDS, so Elon goes I'm the reason Trump won.
Speaker 1: So Trump goes we waste billions on Elon. So Elon
Speaker 1: goes Epstein and a flunky goes depart and Elon goes impeach.
Speaker 1: And that's why women are too emotional to be president.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, your reacts, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: And this is why that we're on the X platform.
Speaker 3: This is why a lot of people are fleeing X.
Speaker 3: And X is really known for these kinds.
Speaker 5: Of bought battles or other deranged people's battles. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just this is why both Elon Musk and President
Speaker 5: Donald Trump need to step back, be quiet for a while.
Speaker 3: Because when they speak, people do listen, and even when
Speaker 3: they are spewing things.
Speaker 4: That are preposterous.
Speaker 3: So this is where when we go, we go back
Speaker 3: to the root of.
Speaker 5: The things I do Jimmy the executive coaching for leaders
Speaker 5: the strategy for messaging.
Speaker 3: You always have to be above.
Speaker 4: You have to have some executive mindset when you know
Speaker 4: you are in.
Speaker 5: A position of leadership and have the absolute potential to
Speaker 5: influence thousands.
Speaker 4: If not millions of people.
Speaker 3: So both of these men are behaving badly.
Speaker 4: They should stop and they should definitely shut their mouths.
Speaker 1: Now, we have a very exclusive recording from a very
Speaker 1: very real President Trump talking about the relationship and romance
Speaker 1: between him and Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: Take a listen to this exclusive clip.
Speaker 6: I was talking with a very great directive friend of mine,
Speaker 6: Hollywood director, a pretty good guy. Actually I won't say
Speaker 6: his name because he's shocked. And a few months ago
Speaker 6: he was going he said, mister President, you should really
Speaker 6: make a romance movie about you and Ela.
Speaker 2: I thought, that's a great idea.
Speaker 6: Let's call it. When Elon Metdonald and it would have
Speaker 6: happened it would have been a very nice romance, kind
Speaker 6: of like a casa blanca casablanca, which means white.
Speaker 2: House in Moroccan.
Speaker 6: But now they might as well call it when Harry
Speaker 6: stabbed Sally in the backouch. I, of course my role
Speaker 6: will go to Brad Pitt because of the obvious. For example,
Speaker 6: Elon will be played unfortunately by a slabbering fifteen year
Speaker 6: old Labrador Retriever with unfortunately only one good eye.
Speaker 2: Sad but accurate.
Speaker 6: Sac.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that uh for my friend Mark Corgan, that
Speaker 1: I think encapsulates the of absurdity of this whole thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I have the question whether that is
Speaker 5: a legitimate recording, but it's certainly hilarious, and I think
Speaker 5: it really is an exclamation point on this whole ridiculous
Speaker 5: romance breakup.
Speaker 1: It really is, which is why the sattire is the
Speaker 1: one that you hear and you're like, wait.
Speaker 2: A second, is this the real guy for one second?
Speaker 3: And with Jimmy, as we used.
Speaker 4: To say when I was a TV reporter real life,
Speaker 4: it is stranger.
Speaker 1: Yes it is finally Rashini rascummar before we let you go,
Speaker 1: just kind of encapsulate for us. Is this something that
Speaker 1: they could Like I was talking earlier, my grandfather made
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: They both He's like, they both need each other.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna, you know, figuratively speaking, he said,
Speaker 1: kiss and make up and they'll be friends again, or
Speaker 1: at least working relationship. Obviously they've been at odds in
Speaker 1: the past.
Speaker 2: How do you think this goes forward?
Speaker 4: Well, is it possible for them to kiss and makeup?
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean George w and Clinton can become best
Speaker 5: buddies and go on.
Speaker 4: The road together on their speaking tours. Anything is possible.
Speaker 3: I just think I don't know that both.
Speaker 4: Of these men have shown such volatility. I just don't
Speaker 4: know where trust could be had.
Speaker 3: That's where we are. And when you don't have trust,
Speaker 3: you really have nothing.
Speaker 1: And I would actually ask did they have trust when
Speaker 1: he was brought into the administration originally, because I actually
Speaker 1: don't know for sure that that was a.
Speaker 4: Good question, very good question.
Speaker 1: Check out the Crisis Files podcast on the iHeartRadio app
Speaker 1: and at the crisisfiles dot com. Rashini Rajkumar, it's host,
Speaker 1: can our guests thanks so much for joining us, my friend, appreciate.
Speaker 2: And have a great weekend.
Speaker 4: Thanks Jimmy, you too.
Speaker 1: Once again, Rashini raj Kumar joining us on the program.
Speaker 1: And I have to tell you of absurdity. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. How do you feel about this? We're
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Speaker 1: Before we end, Zach was filling me in on something.
Speaker 2: So I am not a horror movie guy.
Speaker 1: But there is a movie that has been in theater
Speaker 1: is a film called Sinners, which actually has the legendary
Speaker 1: bluesman Buddy Guy in it. It stars Michael B. Jordan, Right,
Speaker 1: is that right?
Speaker 2: Star Michael B. Jordan?
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of blue stuff blues tropes,
Speaker 1: old Delta blues. You were making your pitch off air
Speaker 1: for why I should see this make it on air.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a fantastic movie. You know, Ryan Coogler knows
Speaker 7: what he's doing. Fantastic director. And I think, you know,
Speaker 7: even for the people who aren't the biggest horror movie fans,
Speaker 7: you would enjoy this. I don't think I'm a horror fanatic.
Speaker 7: I definitely wouldn't, say my girlfriend is. And we went
Speaker 7: to the theater. We had a great time. I think
Speaker 7: there's maybe like a jump scare in the first few
Speaker 7: minutes of the film, and you'll know it when it happens,
Speaker 7: and then I'll tell you right, you're good the rest
Speaker 7: of the way pretty much on the on the jump
Speaker 7: scare front, it's a more psychological, you know, maybe Stephen
Speaker 7: Kingish type thing.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 7: I thought it was absolutely excellent, Maybe the best vampire
Speaker 7: movie I've ever seen, the best like film execution of that,
Speaker 7: the blue stuff in it, the music integration, like almost
Speaker 7: a musical in some ways, with how integrated it is
Speaker 7: into the plot and the story.
Speaker 2: Because of that, a lot of that.
Speaker 1: Stuff, the you know, I mean, heck, Robert Johnson, most
Speaker 1: famous blues man ever. Arguably he sold us soul to
Speaker 1: the Devil at the Crossroads, so that he could be
Speaker 1: this great guitarist. So those kinds of tropes are ones
Speaker 1: in the Blues Forever.
Speaker 7: And they reference that, they reference some elements of yeah
Speaker 7: blues culture, I think West African culture. They tie all
Speaker 7: the music history together. There's one shot that is one
Speaker 7: of the coolest shots scenes Ben's nodding his head back
Speaker 7: here in the studio with me, that I've seen in
Speaker 7: film in years, if not my entire life. There's there's
Speaker 7: some really high highs in this film.
Speaker 2: Overall.
Speaker 7: I think it's you know, at eight point five nine
Speaker 7: out of ten movie, and I think I'm a pretty
Speaker 7: harsh grader.
Speaker 1: And that's fantastic. You said it's coming out on streaming soon, so.
Speaker 7: I will I will check out this week even it
Speaker 7: should be out for people.
Speaker 2: Well, I will definitely check it out.
Speaker 1: I know I saw Bobby Rush with Kenny Wayne Sheppard
Speaker 1: actually Ryan Schuling and I went last month amazing concert.
Speaker 1: Bobby Rush is ninety one, still alive and well, and
Speaker 1: he's got a couple of tunes in the movies, so
Speaker 1: I have to.
Speaker 2: Check it out.
Speaker 1: Thanks that great work today. Always love working with you
Speaker 1: behind the glass. That is once again it for me
Speaker 1: today and I'll be back on Wednesday. I'll see you then,
Speaker 1: have a great weekend. Congratulations again to Kathy Walker's thirty
Speaker 1: five years retiring today. Look forward to still hearing your
Speaker 1: voice and seeing you around the studio. Have a great
Speaker 1: weekend once again, and make God bless America.